**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 03 02:59:59 2015
Jun 03 03:02:38 <txtsd> so if Android Studio has already set up directory structure for me, and I've already used it to compile my app, is there a way I can just trigger gradle from terminal to compile, instead of having to open AS?
Jun 03 03:03:08 <g00s_> txtsd sure, go to project and say 'gradle assembleDebug' or whatever
Jun 03 03:03:21 <g00s_> 'grad'e tasks' for all the tasks
Jun 03 03:03:41 <g00s_> CLI uses a different cache, so you will d/l stuff again
Jun 03 03:04:08 <txtsd> oh so the downloading wasn't me doing something wrong
Jun 03 03:04:45 <txtsd> ./gradle or ./gradlew ?
Jun 03 03:26:45 <CedricBeust> g00s_: I think Rx has obsoleted so much material on the Internet it's not even funny. It will take a while for the Internet to catch up, hoping to do my part with my blog posts.
Jun 03 03:27:21 <CedricBeust> g00s_: As for notifications, I'm using another homegrown adapter notification mechanism that's working pretty well, hope to write a followup to my blog post soon (but kinda busy at work, about to release something big)
Jun 03 03:28:30 <CedricBeust> g00s_: Yeah the data binding library was apparently written in Kotlin, which is awesome. I'm not sold on their approach, though: adding code in XML has never worked (witness Maven v1 or even Android's onCallback tags, which Google quickly backpedaled from)
Jun 03 03:34:59 <t0astt> So I used proguard on my release version of my app and now part of the app is broken, what is the typical/easy way to go about debugging something once proguard has been ran on it
Jun 03 03:38:56 <DadFoundMy> So I would like to make this api call with retrofit instead of unirest. any help? http://pastebin.com/wcwVa7vw
Jun 03 03:39:14 <DadFoundMy> should i use the builder()?
Jun 03 03:40:15 <CedricBeust> t0astt: Look at the stack trace, you will probably need to tell proguard not to obfuscate the symbols in the stack trace
Jun 03 03:40:19 <CedricBeust> it's a bit of an art, sadly
Jun 03 03:40:20 <groxx> t0astt: disable everything, selectively re-enable and find out what broke?
Jun 03 03:40:36 <groxx> also check for proguard instructions for every library
Jun 03 03:49:02 <t0astt> groxx: Yeah I'm doing that righ tnow
Jun 03 03:49:28 <t0astt> By the way, I have Android Studio installed on my Mac. Does anyone know where Android Studio puts the platform tools OR just the adb binary???
Jun 03 03:54:27 <JakeWharton> CedricBeust: stop polluting us http://curry-on.org/2015/sessions/push-greater-than-pull-please-stop-polluting-our-imperative-languages-with-pure-concepts.html
Jun 03 03:55:03 <CedricBeust> JakeWharton: Oh babe I'm just getting started, I'm so going to enron your ass
Jun 03 03:56:17 <CedricBeust> Good find btw, JakeWharton, I'm really curious about this talk now
Jun 03 03:56:44 <JakeWharton> yep. Andre Staltz tweeted it out (Rx.js & cycls.js guy)
Jun 03 03:57:53 <CedricBeust> Adding it to my calendar to remind me to look it up after the conference
Jun 03 03:58:03 <CedricBeust> Unclear if this guy is pro/anti or just neutral about it
Jun 03 03:58:24 <CedricBeust> Kudos for a provocative title, coming from somone who's always looking for provocative title for his blog posts
Jun 03 03:58:55 <CedricBeust> Monads are such a fascinating topic
Jun 03 04:01:31 <g00s_> CedricBeust i think the onCallback thing became unpopular because it broke sometime around fragments; and i'm not sure if tooling autocompleted that / had any awareness
Jun 03 04:01:39 <g00s_> or onClick or whatever it was
Jun 03 04:02:05 <g00s_> so that was one of the few crashing bugs i ever had in my app that required an emergency fix :P
Jun 03 04:02:09 <CedricBeust> g00s_: I think code just doesn't belong in XML, period. It's not just about refactoring breaking (IDE's can make up for that somewhat), it just violates locality
Jun 03 04:02:35 <g00s_> but if you say @{someProperty} is that really code ?
Jun 03 04:02:57 <CedricBeust> Sure: if I change Java, I need to modify XML. That's a warning sign IMO.
Jun 03 04:03:15 <g00s_> the tool should maintain the relationship via refacotring
Jun 03 04:03:18 <g00s_> *refactoring
Jun 03 04:03:23 <CedricBeust> It goes beyond the tool
Jun 03 04:03:36 <CedricBeust> The tool is just papering over the fact that your design has become very fragile
Jun 03 04:03:56 <CedricBeust> Spring ushered us into this nightmare and we've been trying to claw our way out of it ever since
Jun 03 04:04:10 <CedricBeust> I worked on annotations to address this
Jun 03 04:06:57 <NateRiver_> dont you need to use code to build xmls some of the time? like if its a long list and some rows are different (duolingo lessonlist)
Jun 03 04:07:05 <g00s_> hm. seems like you can either (1) provide IDs in the xml to bind from java using findViewById or (2) bind to the java properties from XML using data binding
Jun 03 04:07:20 <g00s_> either way, there is a matching that needs to happen
Jun 03 04:07:53 <g00s_> and if stuff is done like mvvm where the vm doesn't even know much about the view; thats pretty good seperation of concerns
Jun 03 04:09:20 <JakeWharton> both 1 and 2 are the same thing
Jun 03 04:09:30 <JakeWharton> in 2 there's just a tool that helps you out
Jun 03 04:10:09 <txtsd> g00s_: thanks for helping out with the cli stuff. It's much easier on my system compared to running AS as well.
Jun 03 04:11:00 <g00s_> yw. just keep in mind if you go back and forth there will probably be 2 gradle daemons running
Jun 03 04:11:30 <g00s_> well, if you have org.gradle.daemon=true in your gradle.properties anyhow
Jun 03 04:13:17 <bilb_ono> if I have a custom view that needs a bitmap as an argument when it is created. How do I put this in the xml? https://bpaste.net/show/44b11960e420. Would the view inflater method be the best method to use here? instantiate the view here and then inflate it with an actual view in the onCreate in the code?
Jun 03 04:17:12 <g00s_> "Push and pull are duals, but pull is always better (in imperative languages)."
Jun 03 04:17:25 <g00s_> i think those are fighting words
Jun 03 04:18:26 <CedricBeust> The first part is reasonable, the second part... yeah
Jun 03 04:18:41 <CedricBeust> He wants to provoke, elicit an emotional response. I like where this guy's mind is aat.
Jun 03 04:18:54 <g00s_> hehe
Jun 03 04:19:05 <g00s_> not sure what he means about ThreadLocal there, will be interesting
Jun 03 04:21:03 <JakeWharton> same as a ContinuationLocal in functional
Jun 03 04:21:07 <NateRiver_> so is the most common way to pass your own classes around in android to use singleton? i see all these posts online from 2005-2010 saying how singletons are evil and you should never use them
Jun 03 04:21:09 <JakeWharton> cross-method state
Jun 03 04:21:51 <CedricBeust> Yeah, a side effectful way of moving state along
Jun 03 04:22:24 <CedricBeust> NateRiver_: people who say singletons are evil don't understand the true nature of the problem, read this:  http://beust.com/weblog/2011/03/10/rehabilitating-the-singleton-pattern/
Jun 03 04:23:06 <g00s_> is ron pressler the guy who started Quasar ?
Jun 03 04:23:36 <g00s_> i remember reading about it a few years ago, didn't seem workable on android though
Jun 03 04:24:25 <g00s_> yeah, Quasar / Pulsar
Jun 03 04:24:54 <CedricBeust> which recently announced they support Kotlin
Jun 03 04:24:58 <CedricBeust> so they can't be all bad
Jun 03 04:26:06 <liuwenhao> Is there a way to premanently set the language level to 8 in Android Studio (I'm using retrolambda)? Every time I do a new build everything shows as errors in the editor and i have to manually set it back to language level 8
Jun 03 04:27:00 <g00s_> liuwenhao probably better to set it in your build.gradle
Jun 03 04:27:10 <g00s_> if AS ignore it, thats a bug
Jun 03 04:29:48 <groxx> liuwenhao: http://pastebin.com/HheDHCz4
Jun 03 04:30:12 <liuwenhao> Thank you g00s_ and groxx
Jun 03 04:31:35 <g00s_> https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxQuasar
Jun 03 04:32:14 <g00s_> groxx lol pron's avatar is almost as good as yours
Jun 03 04:34:39 <groxx> who is this pron, and why must we battle to the death now?
Jun 03 04:35:14 <g00s_> groxx ah, we were just talking about his upcoming talk http://curry-on.org/2015/sessions/push-greater-than-pull-please-stop-polluting-our-imperative-languages-with-pure-concepts.html
Jun 03 04:36:00 <CedricBeust> groxx: Because he's an ex of your current girlfriend and your last name is Pilgrim?
Jun 03 04:37:25 <groxx> CedricBeust: you make a rational argument.  I'll fax him a postcard to let him know he has an email about our impending duel.
Jun 03 04:38:06 <groxx> now I've just got to figure out what to wear to a highlander-off :\  sarcastic cat t-shirt seem appropriate?
Jun 03 04:38:51 <NateRiver_> @CerdicBeust so basically i need to learn this @Inject thing to use Singletons properly? I dont really see the problem with making everything static though, i dont test or anything
Jun 03 04:40:56 <CedricBeust> NateRiver_: You should avoid static, it will make your code very hard to test and prone to multithreaded errors. Besides, learning dependency injection is very worthwhile, whether you do Android or Java in general
Jun 03 04:41:04 <groxx> eh, or at least use a static instance with a getter.  it's too easy to write yourself into corners if you don't at least wrap the singleton-instance as a normal object, and it's so easy to do it's worth it.
Jun 03 04:46:34 <NateRiver_> @CerdricBeust groxx okay cool ill learn the inject.  This is the most common method i should use to transfer class instances around right? What about using Application Preferences/Files/SQLite instead?
Jun 03 04:47:20 <CedricBeust> They all have their uses
Jun 03 04:58:01 <NateRiver_> is ButterKnife like the same thing as Guice?
Jun 03 04:58:29 <JakeWharton> No relation
Jun 03 04:58:56 <CedricBeust> They both offer an annotation that starts with @Guice, so suspiciously similar if you ask me
Jun 03 04:59:04 <CedricBeust> @Inject, darn in, @Inject, not @Guice
Jun 03 04:59:34 <JakeWharton> Not for long...
Jun 03 05:00:19 <CedricBeust> "Breaking news: @InjectView is no longer supported, start renaming"
Jun 03 05:01:20 <NateRiver_> if i used butterknife @inject all the time id get hungry all the time, it sounds like your making pastries
Jun 03 05:10:39 <t2mkn> while creating launcher icon, what should be the size of document file in px ?
Jun 03 05:10:54 <t2mkn> 512x512
Jun 03 05:11:32 <t2mkn> is their any document anywhere, like WxH, what should be the padding etc. etc. ?
Jun 03 05:14:06 <Levite> http://www.google.com/design/spec/style/icons.html#icons-product-icons
Jun 03 05:15:37 <t2mkn> m in their, thanks
Jun 03 05:15:48 <NateRiver_> is testing code like a contractual thing? i dont see why you cant just run it and look at it
Jun 03 05:18:07 <squ> what do you think if I pass my Class around Intents by serializing it to JSON string and putExtra that string?
Jun 03 05:19:06 <Levite> seems just as good as using Parcelable, and more flexible
Jun 03 05:19:32 <NateRiver_> squ i dont think thats what serializing is intended to do, couldnt you just use one of these http://developer.android.com/guide/faq/framework.html#3
Jun 03 05:19:33 <Levite> depends on what data types you're using though I suppose
Jun 03 05:20:33 <squ> NateRiver_: suggested HashMap is close to what I'm doing
Jun 03 05:20:53 <squ> actually JSON is a HashMap
Jun 03 05:21:14 <NateRiver_> is parcelable a hashmap too?
Jun 03 05:21:14 <squ> but I'm serializing it to string
Jun 03 05:21:59 <squ> NateRiver_: idk, haven't tried it
Jun 03 05:22:27 <squ> that webpage link doesn't have parceable keyword in it
Jun 03 05:23:11 <squ> I did Ctrl+F
Jun 03 05:23:13 <squ> :)
Jun 03 05:23:30 <squ> it is not recommended I guess?
Jun 03 05:23:56 <NateRiver_> i guess parcelable is kinda hidden, i found it while googling how to pass around classes, idk whats best though
Jun 03 05:24:40 <squ> NateRiver_: at start I intended to go with Serializable
Jun 03 05:25:06 <squ> it turns out it writes data to a stream
Jun 03 05:25:38 <squ> which is same what JsonWriter does
Jun 03 05:26:44 <squ> hello someone?
Jun 03 05:26:45 <squ> :)
Jun 03 05:28:03 <NateRiver_> yeah with parcelable you implement it and override the methods, then you can do .getParcelable like getExtra
Jun 03 05:29:09 <Levite> including the methods that make no sense
Jun 03 05:29:29 <Levite> like "describeContents"
Jun 03 06:11:37 <meadhikari> guys what is the best way to extract json from a javascript variable
Jun 03 06:12:13 <razzledazzle> you mean a JSON response?
Jun 03 06:12:52 <meadhikari> razzledazzle, no, from a html document which I have as string
Jun 03 06:13:48 <meadhikari> I was using the line number and removing the variable name, which turned out to be a really bad idea :)
Jun 03 06:17:16 <surf2b1> meadhikari: can you paste the html doc?
Jun 03 06:17:57 <razzledazzle> I'd say you need to use a HTML parser coupled with Gson
Jun 03 06:18:44 <meadhikari> razzledazzle, I am using jsoup and also Gson
Jun 03 06:19:36 <meadhikari> but how to parse inside the <script> tag
Jun 03 06:36:57 <bilb_ono> if I wanna see the methods that ImageView puts on top of View, where would I look?
Jun 03 06:44:22 <liuwenhao> Do any of you have experience with Airpush? I'm looking into what advertising company would be best for my app and thinking admob probably isn't my best choice.
Jun 03 06:47:22 <Leeds> I thought airpush's whole thing was ads in notifications, which are banned now?
Jun 03 06:53:09 <liuwenhao> They have regular banner ads and interstitials as well, from what I've seen. maybe I'm wrong
Jun 03 06:53:26 <liuwenhao> I hadn't heard about them until today
Jun 03 07:05:34 <squ> I'd like to have class property of type R.color
Jun 03 07:05:47 <squ> is it possible to have it not ‘int’
Jun 03 07:06:14 <kevel> what?
Jun 03 07:06:21 <kevel> but it is an int..
Jun 03 07:06:25 <kevel> what else would u want it as?
Jun 03 07:06:38 <squ> UIColor, for example
Jun 03 07:07:12 <squ> R.color myColor = R.color.gray500
Jun 03 07:07:21 <squ> something like that is not possible?
Jun 03 07:07:33 <surf2b1> wha
Jun 03 07:08:06 <surf2b1> squ: what are you trying to do?
Jun 03 07:08:12 <squ> ^
Jun 03 07:10:51 <surf2b1> "is it possible to have it not 'int'" <-- what is "it"? the auto generated fields? no
Jun 03 07:34:24 <FrancescoV> If you have a canvas which is zoomable. Is it possible to detect what the visible rect is?
Jun 03 07:45:35 <vompatti> my app suddenly stopped showing on the application drawer/launcher while it is it settings->apps
Jun 03 07:48:17 <harisk92> wakelock: good morning my friend :D
Jun 03 07:48:33 <vompatti> my app suddenly stopped showing on the application drawer/launcher while it is it settings->apps
Jun 03 07:48:36 <vompatti> anyone?
Jun 03 07:51:10 <Datasmurfen> Hello I need a if-else to check if Bluetooth is on or off. If On run some code - else skip. I can't  seem to find some example online for this .
Jun 03 07:53:06 <yoavst> has someone tested Android Studio & Gradle performance on core M laptop?
Jun 03 07:53:49 <wakelock> Datasmurfen, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7672334/how-to-check-if-bluetooth-is-enabled-programmatically
Jun 03 07:53:53 <wakelock> how were you not able to find this?
Jun 03 07:55:19 <wakelock> vompatti, tried rebooting?
Jun 03 07:55:25 <Datasmurfen> Thx wakelock :)
Jun 03 07:59:04 <oiZo> Morning, have anyone in here experienced SecurityException's due to missing permissions. I have ~10 exceptions on ~600000 sessions, and the uses-permission have defenently been declared (and in the right scope in the manifest)
Jun 03 07:59:09 <vompatti> wakelock: yes, and reinstalling the app and another launcher
Jun 03 07:59:17 <vompatti> I'm running cyanogenmod
Jun 03 08:00:09 <wakelock> vompatti, can you start the app in any way, like through adb?
Jun 03 08:01:35 <vompatti> yes
Jun 03 08:02:06 <wakelock> weird
Jun 03 08:02:09 <vompatti> idd
Jun 03 08:02:22 <vompatti> I'll try to update the cyanogemod if it fixes anything
Jun 03 08:02:23 <wakelock> cleared launcher's cache/data?
Jun 03 08:02:38 <wakelock> I doubt upgrading will do anything
Jun 03 08:02:44 <vompatti> no, I'll try that
Jun 03 08:02:50 <oiZo> Datasmurfen: this maybe? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7672334/how-to-check-if-bluetooth-is-enabled-programmatically
Jun 03 08:03:47 <vompatti> cleared cache and all app data but no difference
Jun 03 08:04:05 <wakelock> oiZo, dude, I linked that already and he saw it
Jun 03 08:04:07 <wakelock> lrn2read :p
Jun 03 08:04:18 <wakelock> vompatti, try clearing data and rebooting
Jun 03 08:04:54 <oiZo> oh, i didn't see that, sorry
Jun 03 08:06:07 <oiZo> it's early in Denmark and i haven;t had coffee yet :p
Jun 03 08:26:28 <ondroed> http://privatepaste.com/4851f58c27
Jun 03 08:26:48 <ondroed> That what happen on emulator
Jun 03 08:27:30 <ondroed> but in Androdi Device Monitor i see that there is some files.
Jun 03 08:27:49 <ondroed> and my app has <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE"/> in manifest
Jun 03 08:28:51 <ondroed> on real device with sdcard, everything is ok
Jun 03 08:35:21 <adq> ondroed, the doc is clear: Returns an array of files contained in the directory represented by this file. The result is null if this file is not a directory.
Jun 03 08:35:31 <adq> so your path is a file path
Jun 03 08:37:32 <adq> so your path is not a (valid) directory* sorry
Jun 03 08:40:27 <ondroed> in android device monitor i see that /storage/sdcard is directory and it contain files and dirs
Jun 03 08:41:04 <adq> just log the path, you will be surprised i guess, and READ
Jun 03 08:41:05 <adq> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment.html#getExternalStorageDirectory()
Jun 03 08:41:13 <adq> "Note: don't be confused by the word "external" here. This directory can better be thought as media/shared storage. It is a filesystem that can hold a relatively large amount of data and that is shared across all applications (does not enforce permissions). Traditionally this is an SD card, but it may also be implemented as built-in storage in a device that is distinct from the protected internal
Jun 03 08:41:13 <adq> storage and can be mounted as a filesystem on a computer."
Jun 03 08:43:07 <ondroed> i'm getting 'storage/sdcard' in debug
Jun 03 08:43:21 <adq> without / of root?
Jun 03 08:43:34 <adq> maybe that's a second issue
Jun 03 08:43:54 <adq> you can also directly do: final File file = Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory();
Jun 03 08:44:09 <adq> no need to do extra step from file to string path to file again
Jun 03 08:44:16 <ondroed> '/storage/sdcard'
Jun 03 08:47:02 <ondroed> http://privatepaste.com/539f8dacbb
Jun 03 08:47:06 <ondroed> still getting null
Jun 03 08:52:53 <adq> ondroed, i don't know more sorry, another emulator issue i guess
Jun 03 08:53:02 <adq> (since you said everything's OK on device)
Jun 03 08:53:07 <VnM> I hate Facebook :( why can't it just die so I never have to implement it again
Jun 03 08:56:38 <yoavst> PlaybackState.getLastPositionUpdateTime () return me 12134170
Jun 03 08:56:57 <yoavst> which is not any number I can consider. do you know what is this number?
Jun 03 09:00:01 <wakelock> ondroed, adb -e shell toolbox ls -l /storage/sdcard
Jun 03 09:02:27 <NateRiver_> can anyone help with this parelable question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30608681/getparcelablearraylist-returns-a-parcelable-but-i-need-it-to-return-my-object
Jun 03 09:02:59 <ondroed> wakelock: http://privatepaste.com/1356e614ca
Jun 03 09:04:07 <adq> ondroed, did you notice that permission of "others" are 0
Jun 03 09:04:23 <ondroed> no )
Jun 03 09:04:30 <ondroed> thanks
Jun 03 09:04:50 <ondroed> how can i pass this shit through?
Jun 03 09:05:04 <ondroed> i mean how can i get files?
Jun 03 09:05:31 <wakelock> perms don't matter
Jun 03 09:05:52 <wakelock> ondroed, adb -e shell toolbox ls -l /storage
Jun 03 09:06:04 <wakelock> (not the same command, mind you)
Jun 03 09:07:18 <ondroed> drwxrwx--x root     sdcard_r          1970-01-01 00:00 sdcard
Jun 03 09:07:55 <adq> wakelock, why would you think perms don't matter??
Jun 03 09:08:22 <wakelock> because they don't
Jun 03 09:09:19 <wakelock> as soon as you request (and gain) READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE, your app is effectively in the "sdcard_r" group
Jun 03 09:12:46 <ondroed> thank you all people
Jun 03 09:13:22 <wakelock> ondroed, dumb idea but you can try this: http://privatepaste.com/0ee06afd98
Jun 03 09:13:42 <wakelock> also play with file some, check its .exists(), .isDirectory() etc
Jun 03 09:14:00 <ondroed> i placed READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE in wrong place :) - in <application> block
Jun 03 09:14:06 <adq> erf..
Jun 03 09:14:17 <ondroed> now it works fine %)
Jun 03 09:14:55 <wakelock> ...
Jun 03 09:15:06 <wakelock> ok then
Jun 03 09:29:25 <oiZo> I'm getting SecurityExceptions, despite having uses-permission (doesn't seem to consistent) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30615983/android-java-lang-securityexception-despite-having-declared-uses-permission
Jun 03 09:31:17 <kevel> oiZo: on a side note, package names should be all lowercase
Jun 03 09:36:59 <oiZo> kevel: I know, but i took over the project like this so it cannot be changed now :-(
Jun 03 09:38:00 <Syzygy> if I pass an object (so I assume I have to parcel it) to a fragment via setArguments, it will be dereferenced right? so I can not just change it and assume the object is modified at the sender
Jun 03 09:40:12 <Kanalia> I've added an assets folder to my project in AS
Jun 03 09:41:10 <Kanalia> will it automatically be added to the .apk file? how can I avoid this?
Jun 03 09:43:46 <gdrc> gradle 2.4 faster? what? 46 to build a project
Jun 03 09:45:58 <Kanalia> is it a good time to change to AS 1.3 or better stick to 1.2 for now?
Jun 03 09:51:02 <Syzygy> depends if you want to work with a beta product or not.
Jun 03 09:51:14 <Kanalia> kay :)
Jun 03 10:01:24 <gdrc> Kanalia: I would say, yes.
Jun 03 10:05:01 <Kanalia> gdrc: you've tried it out?
Jun 03 10:05:09 <gdrc> yes
Jun 03 10:05:41 <Kanalia> cool, thanks gdrc :)
Jun 03 10:15:57 <WantToCode> Even if I dont put support lib dependency in build.gradle, I can still extend AppcompatActivity? Noticed it for the first time. How?
Jun 03 10:23:45 <kevel> WantToCode: it could be in your classpath
Jun 03 10:24:02 <kevel> downloaded and added through the android SDK tools
Jun 03 10:24:26 <WantToCode> how do I check it?
Jun 03 10:34:18 <harisk92> wakelock: check private chat
Jun 03 10:35:43 <oranjuice> hey. Is there a way to align an Admob banner ad to the "right bottom" of the screen?
Jun 03 10:35:51 <oranjuice> This is what I'm doing now:
Jun 03 10:36:02 <oranjuice> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IZmbrzyL
Jun 03 10:36:40 <oranjuice> it puts it at the center bottom.
Jun 03 10:39:13 <wakelock> do you have to do it in code? wouldn't xml be nicer?
Jun 03 10:40:52 <oranjuice> wakelock: It's a game. So I'm not using XML for layouts at all.
Jun 03 10:41:03 <oranjuice> is it not possible in code?
Jun 03 10:41:26 <wakelock> sure it is but it's more complicated
Jun 03 10:41:47 <wakelock> I'm used to XML layouts so can't really read this, sorry
Jun 03 10:43:43 <oranjuice> np :)
Jun 03 11:04:48 <paulo_> hello
Jun 03 11:05:19 <paulo_> when I do vibrate as feedback when a button is pressed, how long should I do the vibrate?
Jun 03 11:05:23 <paulo_> is there a rule of thumb?
Jun 03 11:08:34 <TacticalJoke> oranjuice:  Width is "match_parent", so alignParentRight="true" does nothing.
Jun 03 11:09:00 <oranjuice> TacticalJoke: oh, right. thanks
Jun 03 11:12:27 <wakelock> paulo_, you should use View.performHapticFeedback() instead
Jun 03 11:23:00 <da3m0n22> hi, having problem with proguard release after updating Support Library v4 to 22.2.0, see gradle output and proguard definitions in here: http://pastebin.com/K7GivfRx
Jun 03 11:23:11 <da3m0n22> can anybody recommend what to change in proguard please?
Jun 03 11:23:56 <da3m0n22> -dontwarn seems wrong to me in this case
Jun 03 11:28:01 <paulo_> is this a proguard problem?
Jun 03 11:28:05 <paulo_> I don't think it is.
Jun 03 11:29:12 <osxorgate> what's the deal with RecyclerView not having an onItemClickListener ?
Jun 03 11:29:40 <da3m0n22> before upgrading support library it worked...
Jun 03 11:30:24 <paulo_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18229561/proguard-not-working-in-my-app
Jun 03 11:32:06 <da3m0n22> paulo_: old one, -dontskipnonpubliclibraryclassmembers is already in place, -dontwarn doesn't seem to me like a solution
Jun 03 11:32:08 <TacticalJoke> osxorgate:  It's an inflexible system that works only in a small number of cases.
Jun 03 11:32:25 <osxorgate> TacticalJoke: stick to ListView then
Jun 03 11:32:28 <osxorgate> sigh..
Jun 03 11:32:33 <TacticalJoke> Why would you?
Jun 03 11:32:40 <TacticalJoke> Even with ListView, I won't use OnItemClickListener.
Jun 03 11:33:00 <TacticalJoke> Well, unless things are extremely simple.
Jun 03 11:33:23 <osxorgate> well i have a list of items that i need to click on to proceed
Jun 03 11:33:29 <_rm> our solution to inscrutable proguard issues was to (at least temporarily) stop using proguard
Jun 03 11:33:36 <_rm> because holy shit
Jun 03 11:33:51 <osxorgate> TacticalJoke: how do you detect which item was clicked then?
Jun 03 11:33:53 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  If things are really simple, I guess ListView does make sense.
Jun 03 11:36:37 <TacticalJoke> A simple way is to use set the View's tag.  (Though this isn't ideal.)
Jun 03 11:40:07 <osxorgate> all 'solutions' on SO are rather sketchy
Jun 03 11:49:26 <mkdk> Hi, I have upgraded my Android studio to the latest Canary version, but I can't see anything new in the IDE related to the NDK support. Can anyone please help to figure out if the NDK support is properly installed ?
Jun 03 11:49:49 <mkdk> *please help me
Jun 03 11:51:55 <TacticalJoke> "As announced at Google I/O, Android Studio 1.3 will include C/C++ support as well, but that is not included in the first couple of preview builds."
Jun 03 11:52:01 <TacticalJoke> http://tools.android.com/recent/androidstudio13preview1available
Jun 03 11:55:20 <mkdk> TacticalJoke, thank you. I have completely missed that.
Jun 03 11:55:28 <mikedg> doesnt look like the side by side xml editor changes are included either
Jun 03 11:55:36 <mikedg> theres a ton of shit they talked about that just isnt ready
Jun 03 12:07:30 <momken> Hello
Jun 03 12:07:56 <oranjuice> hey. When I want to show an interstitial ad, I have to show on the UI thread. The problem with this is that `runOnUiThread` doesn't immediately execute the code in the UI thread.
Jun 03 12:08:17 <TacticalJoke> oranjuice:  It does if we're already on the main thread.
Jun 03 12:08:24 <oranjuice> What I see as the effect is that after the user presses "next level", the next level loads and after that, it shows the ad,
Jun 03 12:08:26 <TacticalJoke> Otherwise it posts the runnable to the message queue.
Jun 03 12:08:32 <momken> I have read some pages on developers.android.com about authentication scenario.
Jun 03 12:08:45 <momken> But I still doesn't fully understand how it works
Jun 03 12:08:57 <momken> Can someone explain it to me, a bit more?"
Jun 03 12:11:27 <oranjuice> TacticalJoke: strange. It appears to happen asynchronously for me.
Jun 03 12:11:51 <oranjuice> If I show the ad in runOnUiThread, I get a "must be called on the main UI thread" exception
Jun 03 12:12:04 <oranjuice> if I "don't" *
Jun 03 12:12:06 <oranjuice> sorry
Jun 03 12:12:24 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, posting to the message queue means that the event is asynchronous.
Jun 03 12:12:47 <TacticalJoke> The message looper thingamibob will get to it at some point in the future.
Jun 03 12:13:29 <Leeds> momken: that's a pretty vague question...
Jun 03 12:14:08 <momken> Leeds, I know. The problem is that I don't know how authentication works
Jun 03 12:15:51 <momken> Leeds, I am working on an open source app, I read its AccountAuthenticator.java file. I somehow understood that it makes a new authenticatorActivity, which requests user/pass from client
Jun 03 12:16:11 <momken> What I want to do is changing the way user/pass should be inserted
Jun 03 12:16:55 <momken> I want user to instert his cell-number as username, and the pass be inserted automatically (and hiddenly), which is received from server
Jun 03 12:17:17 <Leeds> ok, none of that really has anything to do with authentication, really
Jun 03 12:17:23 <Leeds> double-really?
Jun 03 12:18:57 <Leeds> I'm going to guess you're new at this...
Jun 03 12:19:31 <momken> Leeds, Yeah, I am new :D
Jun 03 12:19:50 <momken> Leeds, But why it isn't related to authentication?
Jun 03 12:20:22 <_rm> is it possible to create variants of a product flavor in gradle?
Jun 03 12:23:55 <mkdk> momken, have a look at the Android examples : https://android.googlesource.com/platform/development/+/master/samples/SampleSyncAdapter/src/com/example/android/samplesync/authenticator/AuthenticatorActivity.java
Jun 03 12:25:23 <mkdk> momken, or more generally on the whole Authenticator example from the sync app : https://android.googlesource.com/platform/development/+/master/samples/SampleSyncAdapter/src/com/example/android/samplesync/authenticator
Jun 03 12:25:27 <Datasmurfen> There is alot of guides how to get the profilepicture from Facebook, and display it inside your app.  None of them is working for me. (I am using the loginbutton, and App invite). Does anyone can provide som usefull links :) ?
Jun 03 12:26:58 <mkdk> Datasmurfen, have a look at the official FB Android SDK : https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/android/current/class/ProfilePictureView/
Jun 03 12:51:29 <oranjuice> TacticalJoke: if the my calling thread is also the UI thread, why is that exception "must be called on the main UI thread" raised?
Jun 03 12:52:16 <TacticalJoke> I think it's not really the main thread.
Jun 03 12:52:33 <TacticalJoke> Wait.
Jun 03 12:52:40 <TacticalJoke> I'm doing 17 things at once.
Jun 03 12:53:07 <TacticalJoke> Okay, yes.  I stand by my answer.
Jun 03 12:53:58 <oranjuice> TacticalJoke: so my LibGDX main thread of exection is different from the main thread?
Jun 03 12:54:06 <adq> your calling thread is not on the ui thread oranjuice
Jun 03 12:54:18 <adq> on the contrary of what you believed
Jun 03 12:54:49 <oranjuice> but UI thread is the backbone thread where all my application logic is supposed to run, isn't it?
Jun 03 12:54:56 <adq> no
Jun 03 12:55:54 <adq> oranjuice, http://developer.android.com/guide/components/processes-and-threads.html#Threads & https://developer.android.com/training/multiple-threads/communicate-ui.html some reading awaits you
Jun 03 13:06:41 <oranjuice> adq: I read through that. But I still have the same understanding of the main UI thread.
Jun 03 13:06:55 <oranjuice> What type of thread is my calling thread ?
Jun 03 13:07:12 <TacticalJoke> A background thread.
Jun 03 13:10:25 <Josef_Filzmaier> I just tried to upload a new apk to the playstore and it is telling me that i have added 5 new "permission-required"'s, but i actually haven't... why could this be?
Jun 03 13:12:42 <Josef_Filzmaier> it says i added ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION, GET_ACCOUNTS, READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE, USE_CREDENTIALS, WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE but none of these permissions are in my AndroidManifest.xml
Jun 03 13:12:58 <barbs> did you lower the min sdk? there are some permissions that are implicit if you set the min sdk too low
Jun 03 13:14:10 <Josef_Filzmaier> barbs: no, my minSDK is still 16
Jun 03 13:23:43 <Birk_> anyone having problems using wrap_content on TextViews height inside CardView in android L?
Jun 03 13:24:05 <Birk_> The TextViews are not wrapping its contents
Jun 03 13:25:04 <vedu> I am making an android app for delivery people on bikes. They should be able to accept pickup requests, automatically update GPS location etc
Jun 03 13:26:30 <ircfox> Hello folks!
Jun 03 13:26:34 <ircfox> I just upgrade some of my Eclipse SDK packages and now this error is showing each time I start the application : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/268b9b2e0264af0bacd0
Jun 03 13:33:57 <bobbiejim> is it possible to import a 3D model into google maps/earth mobile?
Jun 03 13:42:52 <TacticalJoke> ircfox:  Solution: Use Android Studio.
Jun 03 13:44:37 <ircfox> TacticalJoke: I use it. I just checking some old files on Eclipse. :p
Jun 03 13:52:06 <sgo11> hi, my device runs out of space. I can use adb shell to access that device. how can I list top 10 largest directories ? I can do this easily in linux by using ncdu command. not sure how to do that in android. thanks.
Jun 03 13:58:15 <Darkwater> sgo11: you (probably) got regular du on android
Jun 03 13:58:41 <wakelock> ncdu is not a standard unix command. if you have busybox you can use du.
Jun 03 13:59:35 <Darkwater> du -h 2>/dev/null | sort | head  does literally what you want
Jun 03 13:59:35 <sgo11> Thanks, but how can I list top 10 largest directories by using android's du?
Jun 03 13:59:39 <Darkwater> actually hold on
Jun 03 13:59:58 <Darkwater> du -h 2>/dev/null | sort -r | head
Jun 03 14:00:33 <wakelock> du -h will not help at all
Jun 03 14:00:35 <wakelock> du -k might
Jun 03 14:06:22 <s9iper1> i am creating a keyboard and i want all the character should be in capital letter as i type i can type small letter in input field. i want to type capital every time i type how can i do that ?
Jun 03 14:06:34 <s9iper1> TacticalJoke,
Jun 03 14:09:03 <TacticalJoke> s9iper1:  Google has so many answers.
Jun 03 14:09:26 <s9iper1> TacticalJoke, i can not find it thats why i am here
Jun 03 14:10:09 <TacticalJoke> How about this?  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15961813/in-android-edittext-how-to-force-writing-uppercase
Jun 03 14:10:28 <sgo11> Darkwater, my du in android dose not have '-h' parameter. and no "sort" and "head" command.
Jun 03 14:10:46 <oiZo> I've got a tricky permission problem, input is appriciated: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30615983/android-java-lang-securityexception-despite-having-declared-uses-permission
Jun 03 14:11:06 <Darkwater> sgo11: got busybox?
Jun 03 14:11:28 <Darkwater> if so, try busybox sort
Jun 03 14:11:57 <Darkwater> du 2>/dev/null | busybox sort | busybox less
Jun 03 14:11:59 <Darkwater> something like that
Jun 03 14:12:21 <sgo11> wakelock, do I have to install busybox in android? or in my ubuntu machine? I am running "adb shell" in ubuntu.
Jun 03 14:12:24 <Darkwater> actually sort does need at least -n
Jun 03 14:12:28 <Darkwater> du 2>/dev/null | busybox sort -n | busybox less
Jun 03 14:12:30 <sgo11> wakelock, sorry
Jun 03 14:12:32 <Darkwater> that's my final proposal
Jun 03 14:12:54 <wakelock> sgo11, I don't see why would anything outside adb make any difference
Jun 03 14:13:16 <sgo11> Darkwater, do I install busybox in android?
Jun 03 14:13:28 <Darkwater> wouldn't recommend that if you don't already have it
Jun 03 14:13:34 <Darkwater> open a shell, say busybox
Jun 03 14:13:41 <Darkwater> what do you see?
Jun 03 14:14:05 <sgo11> Darkwater, adb shell, $ busybox , /system/bin/sh: busybox: not found
Jun 03 14:14:23 <Darkwater> what phone/rom?
Jun 03 14:14:24 <wakelock> busybox installation is actually fairly straightforward and painless
Jun 03 14:14:41 <wakelock> there is a number of apps that does it for you
Jun 03 14:15:48 <sgo11> Darkwater, you won't heard that brand, meizu. :) maybe I just maybe I should just install an app. I find "Disk Usage & Storage Analyzer" in play store looks interesting.
Jun 03 14:15:57 <sgo11> wakelock, ok. thanks.
Jun 03 14:16:26 <wakelock> meizu is not an entirely unknown brand
Jun 03 14:16:30 <sgo11> s/maybe I just//
Jun 03 14:17:13 <sgo11> wakelock, really? I thought only chinese knew it.
Jun 03 14:17:18 <wakelock> nope
Jun 03 14:17:29 <sgo11> wow...
Jun 03 14:18:26 <wakelock> I don't know why you're so surprised, 98%+ of all devices comes from china anyway :p
Jun 03 14:19:23 <osxorgate> i have a fragment in a layout, i replace it with another fragment and i add the transaction to the backstack. Now I rotate the device, and the original fragment is shown again. Why not the newer?
Jun 03 14:22:19 <Birk_> anyone ever had a problem with layout inside cardviews in android L ? My Layout inside the cardview doesnt seem to respect wrap_content height
Jun 03 14:22:27 <sgo11> wakelock, I don't know that. :)
Jun 03 14:23:11 <Birk_> linearlayout neither textview.
Jun 03 14:32:22 <Kanalia> is it possible to show on the emulator what I see on my connected device ?
Jun 03 14:32:40 <wakelock> hm?
Jun 03 14:33:07 <Kanalia> I'd like to demo my app to someone through skype or other screen sharing methods, but I can't think of any good idea for doing it live other than running the emulator
Jun 03 14:33:18 <Kanalia> or making screenshots on the device
Jun 03 14:33:31 <wakelock> no can do
Jun 03 14:33:39 <wakelock> an emulator is a standalone device really
Jun 03 14:33:41 <Kanalia> too bad :(
Jun 03 14:33:54 <wakelock> you can't connect a device to it any more than you can connect two physical devices together
Jun 03 14:33:55 <Kanalia> the app uses location services and I know that on the emulator I can only mock those
Jun 03 14:34:00 <Kanalia> ok
Jun 03 14:39:43 <stephenmac7> I'm having an issue when running tests on the emulator: java.lang.SecurityException: Injecting to another application requires INJECT_EVENTS permission
Jun 03 14:40:04 <wakelock> do you have said permission?
Jun 03 14:40:28 <stephenmac7> wakelock: I shouldn't need it. It's only for system apps, if I remember correctly
Jun 03 14:40:35 <stephenmac7> The error doesn't happen on a physical device
Jun 03 14:40:47 <wakelock> same API level?
Jun 03 14:41:34 <stephenmac7> wakelock: I'm pretty sure they are all 22
Jun 03 14:41:44 <wakelock> hmm
Jun 03 14:42:24 <wakelock> you are right, INJECT_EVENTS is available for system apps only; in which case I'm wondering how does whatever you're doing work on a real device
Jun 03 14:42:27 <wakelock> something is off here
Jun 03 14:42:48 <prinsen> Im trying to start a track in Spotify with an intent. Its working great, but the Spotify app is brought to front. Is it possible to make the intent start it in the background?
Jun 03 14:43:04 <ayvazj> anyone know what a .btfy file is? Comments say “AE Butterfly Format Exporter v0.37”
Jun 03 14:43:41 <prinsen> here is the code I use: http://pastebin.com/qKyEMicC
Jun 03 14:43:43 <stephenmac7> Yes, I just verified that everything is API level 22 and that the android device is android 5.1.1
Jun 03 14:44:01 <stephenmac7> Sadly, the project I'm working on is a bit of a mess and has multiple projects in the same repository.
Jun 03 14:45:11 <wakelock> does any of it actually inject events into other activities?
Jun 03 14:45:33 <stephenmac7> It does UI Testing as shown here: https://developer.android.com/training/activity-testing/activity-ui-testing.html
Jun 03 14:46:19 <stephenmac7> However, it only tests what it's supposed to test. It's not touching activities outside the app
Jun 03 14:46:38 <wakelock> then the INJECT_EVENTS permission should be irrelevant
Jun 03 14:47:01 <wakelock> what the emulator is probably saying is that it's trying to inject events where it shouldn't
Jun 03 14:48:21 <stephenmac7> The offending line is: TouchUtils.clickView(this, selectLogin);
Jun 03 14:49:05 <stephenmac7> Where selectLogin = (RadioButton) logonActivity.findViewById(R.id.radio_login);
Jun 03 14:49:58 <stephenmac7> It's strange that the issue only occurs on the emulator
Jun 03 14:52:22 <osxorgate> i have a fragment with a listview in it, i set an item in the list 'checked'. The frag has setRetainInstance(true). When I rotate the device, the same fragment is placed in the new activity, only the checked item has lost its checked state. The list remains the same, other than that. Why is the checked state gone?
Jun 03 14:52:53 <stephenmac7> wakelock: It might be notable that I'm using -no-window and -no-audio
Jun 03 14:58:16 <bolovanos> Considering fact, that on #java-dev is nobody present. I will ask here even it is not strictly android question. I was playing with class variables https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/javaOO/classvars.html
Jun 03 14:58:16 <bolovanos> In their example is written "Class variables are referenced by the class name itself, as in: Bicycle.numberOfBicycles".   It seemed to me bit strange using this type of reference in another class, so I gave it a try.
Jun 03 14:58:16 <bolovanos> Doing this in my example (one class Bicycle, and one from which I call mentioned class variable)lead to "The field Bicycle.numberOfBicycles is not visible". With two reasonable clues - 1) change acces modifier from privet to protected or 2) create getter...
Jun 03 14:58:21 <stephenmac7> wakelock: It looks like it functions properly when a window
Jun 03 14:58:25 <bolovanos> Question is - why?
Jun 03 14:59:26 <aspire> can i start an intent using a context or does it have to be an activity
Jun 03 15:05:43 <osxorgate> aspire: Intent is an object, you cannot 'start' it
Jun 03 15:09:41 <WantToCode> Is anyone of you on Ubuntu 15.04?
Jun 03 15:14:25 <aspire> osxorgate, what i mean is can i use Context#startActivity(Intent) instead of Activity#startActivity(Intent)
Jun 03 15:14:35 <aspire> im trying to start an activity from my list view adapter and i don't have a reference to an activity
Jun 03 15:14:46 <aspire> all i have is getContext()
Jun 03 15:15:30 <osxorgate> aspire: dont let the adapter do it, let the listview do it in onItemClick()  then you have an activity
Jun 03 15:15:45 <osxorgate> listview adapter is kinda useless without a gui
Jun 03 15:16:42 <samskiter> well, that’s disappointing: http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/5.1.0_r1/android/app/DialogFragment.java?av=f#448
Jun 03 15:18:02 <aspire> osxorgate, i have buttons in my list view
Jun 03 15:18:25 <aspire> in each list view rrow
Jun 03 15:18:34 <icedp> aspire: you context is your activity since that is what you pass in new MyAdapter(this)
Jun 03 15:18:57 <aspire> oh right
Jun 03 15:19:18 <aspire> good point
Jun 03 15:20:54 <icedp> aspire: you may want to implement interface (or not) and check in adapter constructor if your context is of the right type so you won't catch cast exceptions when click happens
Jun 03 15:22:54 <aspire> icedp, nope that doesn't work apparently
Jun 03 15:22:59 <aspire>     android.util.AndroidRuntimeException: Calling startActivity() from outside of an Activity  context requires the FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK flag. Is this really what you want?
Jun 03 15:25:29 <icedp> aspire: my last message, interface and all was related to suggestion that you have a callback in your activity which you'd call from adapter
Jun 03 15:26:26 <csst0111> Do i have to wait for the  apk to be available to download even when i upload it for beta testing ?
Jun 03 15:35:04 <Nick-S> i have a lollipop phone and i thought it would detect my captive portal but it wont!
Jun 03 15:40:53 <tjbiddle> Hey guys - totally off topic: Anyone remember seeing a site that throws other websites on the "shit list" if they have bad password policies (Too short, throw password in plain text emails, etc.) ?
Jun 03 15:44:59 <rathodvikas10> hi i am getting com.android.dex.DexException: Multiple dex files define Lcom/squareup/picasso/Action$RequestWeakReference;
Jun 03 15:45:39 <rathodvikas10> how do i exclude this in gradle
Jun 03 15:45:59 <Napalm> you dont
Jun 03 15:46:01 <Napalm> you do this
Jun 03 15:46:03 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: https://developer.android.com/tools/building/multidex.html#mdex-gradle
Jun 03 15:47:29 <rathodvikas10> ok will try this ty
Jun 03 15:48:33 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: use compile 'com.android.support:multidex:1.0.1'
Jun 03 15:48:36 <Napalm> its the latest version
Jun 03 15:48:40 <Napalm> doc is out of date
Jun 03 15:49:21 <rathodvikas10> ok
Jun 03 15:50:04 <bobbiejim> can ground overlays in the google maps API be placed "higher" than each other in the Z axis sense on a 3D map/building?
Jun 03 15:50:37 <bobbiejim> say i have 2 floor plans and i want to put one on top of the other, do they have to be different types of overlays to be able to be put on top of each other or can i just define one ground overlay to have a higher Z index
Jun 03 15:54:08 <gdrc> I saw, don't remember when and where, a tool on AS to conver a string that rappresents a JSON into Java class. Do you know the name?
Jun 03 15:56:58 <rathodvikas10> @Napalm hay not its giving me this http://pastebin.com/YARp7qhi
Jun 03 15:58:47 <abara> hey guys, any know how to show a date picker dialog with a specific range of date?
Jun 03 16:01:31 <gdrc> abara: https://github.com/wdullaer/MaterialDateTimePicker
Jun 03 16:02:02 <prinsen> Is there any way to start an other application (with an ACTION_MAIN) intent in background? I dont want my app to loose focus
Jun 03 16:02:21 <samskiter> prinsen, broadcastreceiver?
Jun 03 16:03:17 <prinsen> samskiter: I can start the other app (Spotify) and get it to do something (play an URI) by creating an intent and then startIntent. How do you do the same for a broadcastreciver?
Jun 03 16:03:34 <samskiter> hmm they would have to support you doing that
Jun 03 16:03:57 <samskiter> maybe you could sniff the intents flying around and see how they astart their service
Jun 03 16:04:55 <prinsen> samskiter: Isn't there a way to get startActivity to launch in background?
Jun 03 16:05:21 <samskiter> prinsen: an activity is a view. startactivity is exactly not what to do
Jun 03 16:05:55 <prinsen> samskiter: :)
Jun 03 16:06:29 <prinsen> samskiter: here is the code i use: http://pastebin.com/YisSnaNR
Jun 03 16:06:49 <samskiter> i dont know. go google about broadcast receivers?
Jun 03 16:06:56 <samskiter> i know they can start a process up
Jun 03 16:07:17 <samskiter> maybe look at what intents spotify can handle
Jun 03 16:09:28 <prinsen> samskiter: ok thanks
Jun 03 16:35:29 <s9iper1>  i want to change the color of keyboard background mention here : http://ibin.co/23yoLY0MoT3Z how can i do that ?
Jun 03 16:38:22 <powersurge> I'm going to be buying a new laptop soon and I was wondering if 8gb would be too limiting to build android apps
Jun 03 16:38:33 <powersurge> I plan on using ubuntu if that makes any difference one way or another
Jun 03 16:38:41 <Darkwater> s9iper1: not sure if this is the right place to ask that
Jun 03 16:38:50 <b2zeldafreak> I think 8gb is sufficient, the main RAM draw is the emulator I think
Jun 03 16:38:54 <Napalm> s9iper1: its just a shape resource with a gradient
Jun 03 16:39:11 <Darkwater> ^ if you have access to the source, easy
Jun 03 16:39:19 <Napalm> powersurge: i use 16gb
Jun 03 16:39:52 <powersurge> mmm
Jun 03 16:40:09 <powersurge> that 8gb is the only thing holding me back from the xps 13
Jun 03 16:40:11 <b2zeldafreak> I'm trying to add an ExpandableListView onto one of my tabs (currently a fragment) can anyone help?
Jun 03 16:40:25 <powersurge> looks p. good otherwise, I'm just not sure I'm comfortable buying a new laptop with <= 8gb of RAM
Jun 03 16:40:25 <b2zeldafreak> powersurge: Check out the Thinkpad t450 and t450s
Jun 03 16:40:36 <Napalm> b2zeldafreak: just put it in your fragment layout?
Jun 03 16:40:42 <powersurge> thanks for the rec b2zeldafreak
Jun 03 16:41:35 <Napalm> s9iper1: sorry, misread. You'll have to create a new input-method-service app for android to expose a new custom keyboard with your own background.
Jun 03 16:42:13 <dragorn> powersurge, I have an X1 carbon with 8 gig of ram and the onyl time I feel any ram pressure is if I'm also running a big VM
Jun 03 16:42:34 <cristian_c> Napalm, any ideas about my last time question?
Jun 03 16:42:41 <Napalm> erm
Jun 03 16:42:43 <Napalm> what was it
Jun 03 16:42:45 <s9iper1> Napalm, yes i am doing it but i want to change the color of that specific area that i mentioned in pic how which attribute changes that color ?
Jun 03 16:43:00 <Napalm> s9iper1: android:background
Jun 03 16:43:10 <powersurge> gotcha dragorn
Jun 03 16:43:13 <dragorn> powersurge, so if lightness is more important to you, it's a fine machine.  also check the model year and do some googling w/ thinkpads; lenovo ruined the keyboards for a year or so but have gone back to the older style, make sure you get what you expect
Jun 03 16:43:28 <b2zeldafreak> powersurge, dragorn: I have a t450s with 12g of RAM, and I've never felt that it was too big/heavy as an ultrabook, it's also cheaper than X1 carbon. Check out Lenovo's refurb store
Jun 03 16:43:36 <dragorn> powersurge, I run ubuntu on a x1 carbon 2015 and it's about 95% fine, there's a few quirks, nothing unusable
Jun 03 16:43:56 <powersurge> 12g of ram is such a weird number, heh
Jun 03 16:44:05 <cristian_c> Napalm, how have i to fix these parameters to display the widget properly?
Jun 03 16:44:07 <Napalm> powersurge: not really
Jun 03 16:44:08 <powersurge> but yea, I'm still shopping around, I'll take a peek
Jun 03 16:44:09 <dragorn> b2zeldafreak, yup; there's lots of good options.  I've always been a big fan of thinkpads, even after lenovo took them over.  Just saying 8 gig is OK unless you plan to run a lot of VMs, too.  Sure, I'd rather have 16.
Jun 03 16:44:14 <Napalm> powersurge: 3gb paired
Jun 03 16:44:46 <b2zeldafreak> 4g soldered, 8gb in expansion slot. You're right though dragorn, 8gb ram is enough, I just liked the extra expandability with battery and hard drives
Jun 03 16:45:05 <powersurge> yea, and it's important to remember too that I'm buying a computer
Jun 03 16:45:12 <powersurge> so it needs to be good to go for at least 2 years, imo
Jun 03 16:45:19 <powersurge> I try not to upgrade in <2 yrs
Jun 03 16:45:33 <powersurge> if 8gb is a bare minimum, it may not be wise
Jun 03 16:45:35 <Napalm> cristian_c: did you find the source in the platform for it?
Jun 03 16:45:56 <powersurge> I'm primarily a web dev and I think I'd be fine there, I just don't want to be limited if I ever make good on learning android like I'd like
Jun 03 16:45:57 <b2zeldafreak> powersurge: You can't go wrong with any of the Thinkpad series I think. Check out Lenovo's refurbished stuff, you can get a significant discount and basically a brand new computer
Jun 03 16:45:58 <Napalm> SimonVT: hey, just saw your G+ post.. I've delt with all that if you want to chat
Jun 03 16:45:59 <dragorn> powersurge, the only other thing to look at is to make sure linux plays nice with the video options; newer thinkpads changed how the unified nvidia/intel stuff works and it's a real pain in the ass
Jun 03 16:46:12 <cristian_c> Napalm, google doesn't release sources for power toggles
Jun 03 16:46:15 <powersurge> yep
Jun 03 16:46:17 <powersurge> alright cool
Jun 03 16:46:19 <powersurge> thanks all :>
Jun 03 16:46:20 <SimonVT> Napalm: Enlighten me!
Jun 03 16:46:23 <dragorn> powersurge, so do some googling once you think you found somethign you like, and make sure it's not going to be hell for you on that regard
Jun 03 16:46:23 <Napalm> cristian_c: yes it does
Jun 03 16:46:27 <Datasmurfen> Hello, is there a alternativ to Android Studio Emulator , and debug with phone? On IOS they have a simulator with quick response
Jun 03 16:46:28 <cristian_c> Napalm, and google doesn't release an api for power toggle
Jun 03 16:46:41 <powersurge> I'm deffo familiar with that work flow dragorn heh
Jun 03 16:46:42 <Napalm> cristian_c: SystemUI package i believe
Jun 03 16:46:43 <cristian_c> Napalm, I've never found it. Are you sure?
Jun 03 16:46:46 <powersurge> part of what attracted me to the sputnik laptops
Jun 03 16:46:47 <cristian_c> ah, ok
Jun 03 16:46:54 <powersurge> the m3800 is currently pretty discounted too
Jun 03 16:47:13 <powersurge> only ~300-500 dollar jump from xps 13 to m3800
Jun 03 16:47:16 <cristian_c> Napalm, but anyway, if it exists, appwidget doesn't support it
Jun 03 16:47:24 <powersurge> but I'd mostly be paying that diff for ram
Jun 03 16:47:38 <cristian_c> Napalm, because appwidget supports only a small selection of widgets
Jun 03 16:47:40 <powersurge> I hate doing hardware research
Jun 03 16:47:42 <powersurge> such a pain
Jun 03 16:47:52 <Napalm> cristian_c: omg
Jun 03 16:47:52 <cristian_c> for example, it doesn't support togglebuttons
Jun 03 16:48:04 <Napalm> cristian_c: if the platform does it.. you can do it
Jun 03 16:48:07 <cristian_c> Napalm, I can paste the particular doc link
Jun 03 16:48:19 <Napalm> cristian_c: dont make me go and find the source
Jun 03 16:49:19 <cristian_c> Napalm, https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/appwidgets/index.html#CreatingLayout
Jun 03 16:49:26 <cristian_c> ok, found
Jun 03 16:49:45 <Napalm> erm what?
Jun 03 16:49:46 <cristian_c> this section lists a set of supported widgets
Jun 03 16:49:51 <Napalm> :|
Jun 03 16:49:57 <Napalm> thats not what I was talking about
Jun 03 16:50:34 <cristian_c> 'A RemoteViews object (and, consequently, an App Widget) can support the following layout classes:'
Jun 03 16:50:46 <cristian_c> 'And the following widget classes:'
Jun 03 16:51:15 <cristian_c> so, if power toggle api exist, they would not be supported by appwidget
Jun 03 16:51:20 <cristian_c> *toggles
Jun 03 16:51:43 <b2zeldafreak> So I have my layouts set up right, but I'm struggling with where to put the Java code for my expandableListView. The tutorial I'm using is putting it into the activity class, but I think it needs to go in my fragment. However, I don't think fragment has all of the necessary methods
Jun 03 16:54:03 <bitkiller>  using viewpager with fragments with edittexts, when swiping, the focus goes to the first view; when clicking in the tab title, it goes to the last
Jun 03 16:54:30 <b2zeldafreak> Right, my tabs are working fine, but I'm trying to add the expandable listView to one of the tabs
Jun 03 16:54:48 <b2zeldafreak> which is currently Tab1 extends Fragment {}
Jun 03 16:57:14 <cristian_c> Napalm, what did you talk about: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/c6a2fa8cba32f5310a052cea2307b898f0522fab/packages/SystemUI/src/com/android/systemui ?
Jun 03 16:57:43 <cristian_c> I see the sources, but I don't know what you are referring to
Jun 03 16:58:52 <bitkiller> well, my statement above is the description of a problem
Jun 03 17:00:23 <cristian_c> Napalm, in particular: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/c6a2fa8cba32f5310a052cea2307b898f0522fab/packages/SystemUI/src/com/android/systemui/SystemUI.java
Jun 03 17:06:14 <Napalm> cristian_c: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Settings/+/ics-mr0-release/AndroidManifest.xml#1210
Jun 03 17:06:30 <Napalm> cristian_c: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Settings/+/ics-mr0-release/src/com/android/settings/widget/SettingsAppWidgetProvider.java
Jun 03 17:07:39 <cristian_c> Napalm, ok, but there isn't a widget/class called powertoggle or similar one
Jun 03 17:07:49 <cristian_c> I'm seeing...
Jun 03 17:07:53 <Napalm> cristian_c: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Settings/+/ics-mr0-release/res/layout/widget.xml
Jun 03 17:07:54 <Napalm> look
Jun 03 17:08:00 <Napalm> this is the layout they use
Jun 03 17:08:04 <cristian_c> ok
Jun 03 17:08:05 <Napalm> for that settings toggle bar
Jun 03 17:08:13 <Napalm> two images views in a linear layout
Jun 03 17:08:24 <Napalm> you can lookup all the margins and padding and make it look the same
Jun 03 17:08:24 <cristian_c> they use imageviews
Jun 03 17:08:32 <cristian_c> Napalm, ok
Jun 03 17:08:55 <cristian_c> I'll try those parameters
Jun 03 17:08:59 <cristian_c> exactly
Jun 03 17:14:39 <g00s> Napalm pretty interesting https://commonsware.com/blog/2015/06/03/random-musing-m-developer-preview-ugly-part-one.html
Jun 03 17:20:26 <icedp> notifyDataSetChanged with RecyclerView simply doesn't work. I've read a dozen SO answers. nope. not until I scroll the view.
Jun 03 17:20:49 <g00s> icedp hm, works for me O.o
Jun 03 17:20:52 <g00s> (tm)
Jun 03 17:21:09 <g00s> its heavy handed with animations but
Jun 03 17:21:38 <icedp> I use this as a reference. yep, a cursor. https://gist.github.com/skyfishjy/443b7448f59be978bc59
Jun 03 17:22:24 <icedp> so mCursor (my data) is swapped, notifyDataSetChanged() is called.. but no luck
Jun 03 17:24:05 <g00s> i'd just used listview if you will use a cursor
Jun 03 17:25:16 <txtsd> can someone explain an easy way to do a regular post request using HttpURLConnection?
Jun 03 17:25:32 <txtsd> all google results I find seem more complicated than necessary
Jun 03 17:26:47 <icedp> g00s: this new collapsing toolbar supports only recyclerview if I'm right. I thought it's the time to migrate
Jun 03 17:27:09 <g00s> lol
Jun 03 17:29:03 <aspire> is there an android library very very very similar to htmlunit
Jun 03 17:37:17 <weizhong_> hi there
Jun 03 17:37:20 <weizhong_> in libcore/luni/src/main/java/libcore/io/IoBridge.java
Jun 03 17:37:31 <weizhong_> public static FileDescriptor socket(boolean stream) throws SocketException {
Jun 03 17:37:44 <weizhong_> why this function only create AF_INET6 socket?
Jun 03 17:38:02 <weizhong_> how is AF_INET4 socket created?
Jun 03 17:38:09 <weizhong_> can somebody help explain?
Jun 03 17:40:56 <thebishop> what's a good way to get application-wide context to send a LocalBroadcast from a non-activity class?
Jun 03 17:45:40 <pfn> 1, LocalBroadcast sucks, use anything else instead, 2, make your own singleton Application context
Jun 03 17:56:46 <JoseBravo> Hello
Jun 03 17:57:08 <thebishop> pfn, that's funny, i asked here a while ago why localbroadcast is in the support package when it seemed like a useful feature, and the response i got as that support is better, more consistency between versoins
Jun 03 17:57:40 <JoseBravo> I'm trying to use @android:drawable/ic_search in my menu.xml but it can't find ic_search drawable but can find ic_menu_search. Why?
Jun 03 17:57:58 <pfn> thebishop, well, there's that, but LocalBroadcast in general is a shitty solution in comparison to other options available
Jun 03 17:58:17 <thebishop> pfn, what's better?  thread handlers?
Jun 03 17:58:33 <pfn> eventbus, rx, your own listener model, just about anything
Jun 03 17:59:40 <thebishop> pfn, ah yes, i've looked at these. i think eventbus would be good for me, but i don't have time to integrate it this week :(
Jun 03 17:59:43 <thebishop> maybe next week
Jun 03 18:02:24 <pfn> integrating localbroadcast is just as much work
Jun 03 18:02:46 <lasseri__> JoseBravo: using Android Studio get Drawable Importer
Jun 03 18:02:53 <lasseri__> you can write click and import material drawables
Jun 03 18:03:02 <lasseri__> (thats a plugin)
Jun 03 18:03:33 <lasseri__> but the reason its not available either you need to prefix it with like @android:R.drawable or whatever or it doesn't exist as part of that set
Jun 03 18:03:42 <lasseri__> you'll def be find it in drawable importer tho
Jun 03 18:03:43 * wakelock hands a spare "x" to lasseri__
Jun 03 18:04:02 * g00s grabs it and attaches it to wakelock 's back
Jun 03 18:04:10 <wakelock> o.o
Jun 03 18:05:07 <g00s> this could be pretty huge, looks like Quasar will support Android in the next version
Jun 03 18:05:38 <g00s> i was looking into Quasar a few years back but it couldn't run on android - i think partially because they use sun.misc.unsafe
Jun 03 18:06:10 <g00s> hope they do something with that guava dependency though
Jun 03 18:08:21 <txtsd> Can someone tell me why my app crashes when I press a button that calls the fade() function? https://bpaste.net/show/72c4f8e5d466
Jun 03 18:08:24 <pfn> proguard it out
Jun 03 18:08:29 <pfn> guava is great
Jun 03 18:08:40 <pfn> one of the things that makes java bearable
Jun 03 18:09:12 <matt_j> so, I don't really need seperate GCM project numbers for development/release, right?
Jun 03 18:10:09 <Odaym> hey guys, here's the problem I was talking about https://github.com/PaNaVTEC/DrawableView/blob/master/library/src/main/java/me/panavtec/drawableview/draw/CanvasDrawer.java
Jun 03 18:10:31 <g00s> The Rules V https://medium.com/google-developers/developing-for-android-v-f6b8038b42f5
Jun 03 18:10:32 <thebishop> pfn, thanks for the tip.  the problem is i already have localbroadcast integrated and working
Jun 03 18:10:32 <Odaym> the onDraw function, the guy calls scale on the canvas so I end up with a canvas that is not the same as the size I passed it
Jun 03 18:10:55 <Odaym> you know what? i'm going to try and take the whole project and include it, remove that function
Jun 03 18:10:55 <thebishop> pfn, (at least for what i needed before today)
Jun 03 18:10:56 <Odaym> yep
Jun 03 18:11:55 <pfn> g00s, don't particularly care about those
Jun 03 18:12:16 <g00s> they dont seem too practical
Jun 03 18:12:20 <g00s> often
Jun 03 18:12:30 <pfn> they are not the least bit practical
Jun 03 18:13:16 <azizLIGHT> what could be causing this: alternatingtimerrReceiver onReceive() Attempt to invoke virtual method 'void android.app.AlarmManager.setExact(int, long, android.app.PendingIntent)' on a null object reference
Jun 03 18:14:36 <groxx> azizLIGHT: you're trying to call `setExact` on "nothing".  get an instance of the alarm manager first.
Jun 03 18:15:18 <azizLIGHT> im a user trying to figure out which one of my apps is doing this
Jun 03 18:15:24 <azizLIGHT> so i can complain to the dev
Jun 03 18:15:40 <txtsd> Can someone help me understand why my app crashes when I hit a button that calls fade()? https://bpaste.net/show/72c4f8e5d466
Jun 03 18:16:10 <groxx> azizLIGHT: it should be part of the logcat output (though you may need to switch to a more-verbose mode to get that info)
Jun 03 18:16:19 <azizLIGHT> ah right! i forgot about logcat
Jun 03 18:17:23 <groxx> txtsd: the exception's logs should be telling you, but I suspect it's because you're doing network requests on the main thread.
Jun 03 18:18:38 <g00s> groxx has 2 xx's maybe lasseri__ can borrow one
Jun 03 18:18:50 <txtsd> groxx: I don't know how to deal with threads yet :(
Jun 03 18:18:55 <lasseri__> Does anyone know where the re-launch debugger button went on as debugger?
Jun 03 18:19:05 <azizLIGHT> i have a suspicion it might be sleep as android
Jun 03 18:19:09 <g00s> txtsd gotta know how to deal with threads
Jun 03 18:19:14 <azizLIGHT> for my problem i mean
Jun 03 18:20:02 <groxx> txtsd: there are quite a few java / android tutorials out there for that.  you'll have to deal with threads a fair bit in android.
Jun 03 18:20:35 <groxx> lasseri__: relaunch?  like, "attach to process" or "restart app and reconnect debugger"?
Jun 03 18:21:08 <txtsd> groxx: Sounds like right now is a good  time to get into it then~
Jun 03 18:21:42 <lasseri__> later
Jun 03 18:22:04 <lasseri__> there was like a redo arrow on old debugger that would relaunch app & connect the debugger
Jun 03 18:22:12 <lasseri__> now there is just continue pause and stop
Jun 03 18:22:24 <groxx> txtsd: probably :)  keep it simple to start, though for your purposes you probably just want to look at AsyncTask versions.  once you understand that part, something like OkHttp will be more efficient for network requests (it's smarter about how it handles its threads)
Jun 03 18:22:56 <groxx> lasseri__: dunno.  stop + ctrl-d?
Jun 03 18:24:04 <txtsd> oh god don't intimidate me
Jun 03 18:24:05 <tjbiddle> txtsd: Just read up on AsyncTask to get started - super easy once you understand what's going on
Jun 03 18:24:12 <txtsd> on it!
Jun 03 18:24:53 <lasseri__> txtsd: make sure you implement a cancel function that is, in onPostExecute check if cancelled if cancelled don't push back to your UI (although you may want to cache the results)
Jun 03 18:25:05 <lasseri__> then you can cancel for instnace when the app goes into onpause
Jun 03 18:25:21 <lasseri__> *let me rephrase: there's cancelUICallback
Jun 03 18:26:19 <lasseri__> and cancelInterrupt which would be a flag you'd check in doinbackground if you have a loop running to break out of if it should break (you can callback to the ui if you want, to like notify user task was aborted, or not)
Jun 03 18:31:28 <txtsd> lasseri__: app just sends a post request. response isn't really a problem right now. the post request just toggles a light on my arduino
Jun 03 18:33:50 <lasseri__> oh
Jun 03 18:34:07 <lasseri__> well you want to get in the practice of having the know how to handle the UI callbacks
Jun 03 18:34:14 <g00s> Huawei P8 Lite sounded interesting .. but comes with Kitkat + their own UI meh
Jun 03 18:34:17 <lasseri__> since that is like 98% of android backend
Jun 03 18:34:25 <pfn> g00s, those rules seem like a way for google to make the excuse that they will never endorse any other language besides java for android
Jun 03 18:34:29 <lasseri__> for instance, you can do a confirm sent or something
Jun 03 18:34:44 <Afzal> wtf This version of the rendering library is more recent than your version of Android Studio
Jun 03 18:34:53 <Afzal> I don't wanna update my android studio :/
Jun 03 18:35:03 <lasseri__> txtsd: but yeah if that's all you need to do you can even just do Thread t = new Thread(new Runnable() { ... } ); t.start();
Jun 03 18:35:07 <txtsd> lasseri__: omgah hold on. I don't even know what callbacks are yet.
Jun 03 18:35:08 <Afzal> nvm lol
Jun 03 18:35:32 <lasseri__> a callback is just when some function is called as a result of some other function being called
Jun 03 18:35:42 <Afzal> txtsd somebody calls you and tells you to do something, after you're done, you call them back and tell them that you did it and here's the result
Jun 03 18:35:43 <Afzal> ;)
Jun 03 18:35:55 <lasseri__> for instance, when you boot up your windoze machine and it makes the chime sounds, there was some callback to queue the chimes when the bootup occured
Jun 03 18:36:16 <txtsd> oh
Jun 03 18:36:27 <g00s> pfn i'd prefer an amazingly performant runtime that gave devs flexibility to use more abstractions; its one thing if you are a library writer or working on the java frameowrk though
Jun 03 18:37:23 <g00s> all these rules mave dev a PITA ;)
Jun 03 18:41:50 <Syzygy> Is there some generic DialogFragment that I can use to show a specific non-dialog fragment?
Jun 03 18:44:44 <JoseBravo> lasseri__ I tried putting android:icon="@android:R.drawable.ic_search" but it can't find it either
Jun 03 18:47:12 <lasseri__>           android:background="@android:drawable/ic_menu_search"
Jun 03 18:48:14 <JoseBravo> ic_menu_search is the same that ic_search ?
Jun 03 18:51:19 <pfn> g00s, just ignore them
Jun 03 18:53:25 <lasseri__> JoseBravo: idk
Jun 03 18:53:27 <lasseri__> look at the icons
Jun 03 18:54:21 <trigen> I've created a watchface, when I deploy to my wearable it works. But now I try to deploy it to my phone via an apk. It says succesfully installed, but I see nothing in the wearable app. I'm grepping the logcat for my phone, it says Finished installing. Any suggestions what it might be? I'm comparing my Manifest with as many examples as I can find on the internet, but I'm probably missing
Jun 03 18:54:21 <trigen> something else..
Jun 03 18:54:24 <lasseri__> otherwise, like i said goto Android Studio -> Preferences -> Plugins and add Android Drawable Importer
Jun 03 18:54:31 <lasseri__> it'll allow you to import all the icons from
Jun 03 18:55:17 <lasseri__> https://www.google.com/design/icons/
Jun 03 18:55:36 <lasseri__> (but you have to download them and set the folder in the preference settings for the plugin)
Jun 03 18:55:38 <lasseri__> oo
Jun 03 18:55:40 <lasseri__> new icons
Jun 03 18:59:45 <groxx> g00s: so since they keep mentioning that jni is expensive, why does Parcel use native code for microscopic operations like writeInt()?
Jun 03 19:00:13 <shvelo> Can anyone help me with RecyclerView? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30628375/nullpointerexception-after-starting-activity-from-onclicklistener-inside-recycle
Jun 03 19:00:32 <shvelo> I've spent hours on this
Jun 03 19:00:59 <pfn> groxx, clearly so g00s can keep referring to these rules and be frightened of breaking them  :p
Jun 03 19:01:17 <g00s> groxx i have no idea
Jun 03 19:01:35 <pfn> and yeah, bridging jni for small operations is an overall lose
Jun 03 19:01:59 * pfn goes back to trying to write a simple aes/cbc/pkcs7 stream
Jun 03 19:02:04 <groxx> that's what I'd expect. so Parcel should probably be a java class operating on a byte array.
Jun 03 19:02:13 <g00s> just saw this on /r/androiddev https://twitter.com/JakeWharton/status/606158843249364993
Jun 03 19:02:20 <JakeWharton> lies
Jun 03 19:05:02 <g00s> so is romainguy still doing android stuff? "The Android Data Binding library is one of my favorite new features" <-- romain
Jun 03 19:05:06 <pfn> nothing in there... just some java8 version flags
Jun 03 19:06:09 <groxx> pfn: second link has lambda tests
Jun 03 19:06:37 <pfn> presumably, all of which fail
Jun 03 19:06:44 <pfn> - These tests can not be executed but they allows to start
Jun 03 19:06:44 <pfn> to think how to integrate lambda into Jack.
Jun 03 19:06:51 <groxx> heh.  probably true :)
Jun 03 19:07:16 <JakeWharton> heard scala is next
Jun 03 19:07:18 <JakeWharton> #can'twait
Jun 03 19:07:44 <groxx> maybe eventually native lisp support too
Jun 03 19:08:20 <JakeWharton> a girl can dream...
Jun 03 19:08:33 <b2zeldafreak> How can I move the indicator on an ExpandableListView to the right side instead of the left?
Jun 03 19:08:50 <pfn> meh, hate how the support library keeps shipping with missing classes (doesn't break javac, but breaks scala... ugh)
Jun 03 19:09:46 <cosmo> is there a way to force a phone into recovery?
Jun 03 19:10:14 <cosmo> i'm stuck in a boot-loop, if i can somehow get into recovery and flash the stock ROM hopefully i can un-screw myself
Jun 03 19:10:25 <pfn> https://github.com/scala/scala/commit/bbd693ae44bab4be2be7930641f8ca2bf27c962c
Jun 03 19:10:26 <txtsd> idk why making a simple post request is so hard. I can do it in a jiffy in python :(
Jun 03 19:10:28 * pfn waits for fix to land
Jun 03 19:10:50 <pfn> cosmo, typically something like volume- + power
Jun 03 19:10:57 <pfn> cosmo, google answers that easily...
Jun 03 19:11:51 <cosmo> i've googled as hard as i can man.. really i did.
Jun 03 19:12:42 <cosmo> it's an LG tracfone, i think the native recovery is locked out
Jun 03 19:13:13 <cosmo> back to the googles i guess
Jun 03 19:16:00 <Odaym> this guy's lib is 10 times better than that DrawableView goofus
Jun 03 19:16:03 <Odaym> https://github.com/Korilakkuma/CanvasView
Jun 03 19:19:38 <groxx> cosmo: #android-root is much more likely to be able to help you there.  and it depends on the phone.
Jun 03 19:20:15 <cosmo> yeah, i asked in there, thanks :)
Jun 03 19:20:34 <J1m> I'm havingntrouble with the proguardDebug task. It fails with a cryptic ">4", but if I run Proguard by hand, it works.
Jun 03 19:20:56 <J1m> Does anyone have any suggestions? Or know where the source code for that task is?
Jun 03 19:21:13 <aspire> mhm.. my list isn't being refreshed as often as i would like it to be
Jun 03 19:21:15 <J1m> In gradle.
Jun 03 19:21:27 <tjbiddle> Anyone tried using the new NavigationDrawer in the support design library? It's not covering the actionbar for me
Jun 03 19:23:06 <bobbiejim> has anyone here used the google maps API, specifically the indoor buildings/level class?
Jun 03 19:26:16 <JakeWharton> tjbiddle: it's just a layout, it can't magically cover the action bar
Jun 03 19:26:30 <JakeWharton> you need to use the Toolbar from appcompat inside your layout as a replacement for the action bar
Jun 03 19:27:20 <tjbiddle> JakeWharton: That makes sense, thanks
Jun 03 19:28:33 <shvelo> Yeah that's the case
Jun 03 19:41:01 <g00s> cbeust there ?
Jun 03 19:43:08 <deadmund> What's wrong with this code?  The images aren't showing up even though there are definitely ~4 of them when I run it.  http://pastebin.com/cea6pXwR
Jun 03 19:45:46 <Odaym> all of that in code?
Jun 03 19:45:55 <Odaym> scary shit man, so many things can go wrong!
Jun 03 19:46:11 <deadmund> Odaym: The linearlayout (gray) is showing up.  But not the images.  Why?  Any idea?
Jun 03 19:46:36 <Odaym> maybe a requestLayout somewhere
Jun 03 19:46:41 <Odaym> throw it around :P
Jun 03 19:49:25 <Napalm> deadmund: after you call setLayoutParams you dont own them anymore.. you need to create new LayoutParams for every views
Jun 03 19:49:54 <groxx> deadmund: how many log lines do you get, from line 16
Jun 03 19:50:53 <adq> max 99
Jun 03 19:50:59 <adq> probably just a few
Jun 03 19:51:23 <deadmund> There are like 4 apps running (but there is always at least one app, the app that this code is running in)
Jun 03 19:52:06 <adq> deadmund, you should consider a simple ListView (with an adapter of course)
Jun 03 19:52:14 <adq> instead of adding view inside the linearlayout ll
Jun 03 19:52:18 <groxx> but how many log lines do you get?  you might not be returning all of them.
Jun 03 19:52:25 <Odaym> sprinkle requestLayout
Jun 03 19:52:43 <Odaym> :D
Jun 03 19:52:50 <groxx> request layout shouldn't be necessary, it'll be set by lots of things they've done
Jun 03 19:53:19 <Odaym> layoutParams for one, true?
Jun 03 19:53:22 <Odaym> but addView?
Jun 03 19:53:26 <deadmund> groxx: http://pastebin.com/E3gFUUut
Jun 03 19:53:27 <Odaym> doesnt it need invaliidate?
Jun 03 19:53:37 <adq> addView does not need requestlayout nor invalidate
Jun 03 19:53:46 <deadmund> Odaym: I put a requestLayout at the end (it's commented right now but I ran with it uncommented: no diff)
Jun 03 19:54:04 <Odaym> you told me that listview can refresh its children with requestLayout and invalidate on the listview
Jun 03 19:54:05 <groxx> request layout implicitly also causes invalidate.
Jun 03 19:54:06 <Odaym> you were wrong
Jun 03 19:54:10 <deadmund> adq: I guess I can change, but now I'm curious in just an academic sense.
Jun 03 19:55:04 <deadmund> The on click listeners are working (weirdly) but the images are not appearing. This is android 4.3 BTW
Jun 03 19:55:05 <adq> Odaym, http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/5.1.0_r1/android/view/ViewGroup.java#ViewGroup.addView%28android.view.View%2Cint%2Candroid.view.ViewGroup.LayoutParams%29 this is why addview does not need reqlayout & inv
Jun 03 19:55:07 <adq> (it's inside)
Jun 03 19:55:15 <Odaym> maybe you are correct in that one, yes
Jun 03 19:55:26 <groxx> hm. try setting a different background color each time? maybe the thumbnail is just null
Jun 03 19:55:55 <Odaym> ok you are, yes
Jun 03 19:56:42 <adq> yeah, be sure your thumbnail is correct, also your imageview has not layoutparams
Jun 03 19:56:44 <adq> no*
Jun 03 19:56:55 <adq> idk how it behaves without
Jun 03 19:57:07 <deadmund> adq: Yes it does, look at line 19:  http://pastebin.com/E3gFUUut
Jun 03 19:57:26 <adq> ohhh
Jun 03 19:57:31 <adq> i was looking another pastebin
Jun 03 19:57:36 <adq> http://pastebin.com/cea6pXwR this one lol
Jun 03 19:57:43 <ceephax> Hey, anyone dealt with dream.xml for daydreams not being able to find the preferences activity, seems like everyone has this issue but nto a simple answer anywhere
Jun 03 19:57:50 <groxx> hm. thumbnail says: "Thumbnail representation of the task's current state. Currently always null."
Jun 03 19:57:59 <deadmund> I can see the background colors!  The thumbnails are null?
Jun 03 19:58:11 <adq> so it's the thumbnail
Jun 03 19:58:24 <deadmund> I am just trying to replicate the app switcher.  How should I be getting the thumbnails of the current bg apps?
Jun 03 19:58:33 <groxx> apparently. dunno why one is working and the others aren't, but it is what it is :|
Jun 03 19:58:58 <groxx> dunno. check the source of the switcher? it should be visible somewhere.
Jun 03 20:00:45 <deadmund> com.android.systemui/com.android.systemui.recent.RecentsActivity ...
Jun 03 20:05:07 <ceephax> <activity android:name=".CatDreamPreferencesActivity" />
Jun 03 20:05:36 <deadmund> hahaha
Jun 03 20:07:22 <Syzygy> So how bad of a hack is it if I add a fragment to android.R.id.content rather than defining a container?
Jun 03 20:07:32 <veeti> doesn't sound like a hack to me
Jun 03 20:08:08 <veeti> i know i've done it a million times
Jun 03 20:08:28 <Syzygy> alright
Jun 03 20:10:26 <deadmund> The documentation says the thumbnail is always null.  That is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Jun 03 20:11:16 <adq> it's probably meant to be overriden, without being forced to be implemented because of abstract
Jun 03 20:11:21 <adq> i saw that in a couple of classes already
Jun 03 20:12:26 <deadmund> How do other apps implement launchers?
Jun 03 20:12:59 <adq> I would redirect you to search for their sources (some are open) cause i have no idea lol
Jun 03 20:13:14 <deadmund> uugggh
Jun 03 20:13:16 <deadmund> Thanks
Jun 03 20:20:00 <Syzygy> god damn it...
Jun 03 20:20:35 <groxx> well, it's probably also that having a _field_ bitmap is likely just going to waste a ton of cpu/ram (since it'll have to be populated for every entry).
Jun 03 20:20:48 <groxx> if they had a getter it could load it on demand
Jun 03 20:20:50 <Syzygy> I have a view that's set to visibility gone, in the fragment where it's used it's set to visisble in a very specific case and otherwise it's set to gone. what else could cause it to be visible?
Jun 03 20:21:29 <groxx> Syzygy: set to gone in code, or in xml?
Jun 03 20:21:57 <Syzygy> by default it's set in xml, but I also set it to gone in code
Jun 03 20:22:55 <groxx> hm. dunno then.  override + add a breakpoint to setVisibility and see when it's called?
Jun 03 20:23:21 <Syzygy> nevermind, my logic was flawed
Jun 03 20:24:18 <groxx> always nice when it's simple :)
Jun 03 20:24:24 <Syzygy> yeah
Jun 03 20:29:00 <Syzygy> on the otherhand... i hate it when it's simple and I have to look for it for hours.
Jun 03 20:29:16 <Syzygy> because I check more complex things first.
Jun 03 20:33:00 <TacticalJoke> "Don't go back to Java, go forward to Kotlin!" -- this!  Java 8 is so underwhelming.
Jun 03 20:33:16 <TacticalJoke> Though this news is interesting.
Jun 03 20:34:12 <TacticalJoke> Context: https://twitter.com/JakeWharton/status/606158843249364993
Jun 03 20:38:29 <JakeWharton> more like getApplicationContext() AMIRITE
Jun 03 20:41:00 <in_deep_thought> Is it possible for me to tell picasso to pass an extra argument in when it is inflating an imageView? I have a custom imageView that it is trying to inflate which wants a bitmap argument. I would like to modify picassos “action” so that it also passes a bitmap as the argument
Jun 03 20:41:13 <JakeWharton> no. use a Target.
Jun 03 20:43:36 <in_deep_thought> JakeWharton: so the target in this case would be the custom imageView right? but where do I specify the bitmap should be added to it? like here: https://bpaste.net/show/8d8f6d8116f4 you can see the imageView that I am trying to inflate
Jun 03 20:44:22 <JakeWharton> your target callback would instantiate that view and add it to the heirarchy
Jun 03 20:46:59 <in_deep_thought> well if I am gonna add it to the heirarchy instead of just having it exist in the xml in the first place, wouldn’t I just pass in a bitmap directly there?
Jun 03 20:47:21 <in_deep_thought> hmm idk my question isn’t very organized. ill make a stack overflow post
Jun 03 20:50:46 <g00s> it should be ok to reuse NotificationCompat.Builder ...  right ?
Jun 03 20:52:15 <groxx> often, but not in principle :)  check the source?
Jun 03 20:53:28 <g00s> groxx that stupid thing is 3k lines long
Jun 03 20:55:41 <g00s> yeah looks like it should be ok
Jun 03 21:00:08 <g00s> wow i never realized how much crap that notificationCompat class was doing - if we had to take care of that ourselves it would be a bloodbath
Jun 03 21:00:12 <b2zeldafreak> Anyone have suggestions for how to lay out times to make them look good? i.e. I have a listview with 9:00am and 10:00am, how do I make that look good?
Jun 03 21:00:20 <tjbiddle> Hey guys - it looks like two libraries I'm using have a conflicting @color resource. What's the best way around this?
Jun 03 21:01:49 <groxx> tjbiddle: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Jun 03 21:01:55 <JesusFreke> b2zeldafreak: you could try bolding the hours :D
Jun 03 21:02:00 <matt_j> how can I set a value in a flavor but for a certain build type i.e. paidversion { debug { blah
Jun 03 21:02:08 <groxx> b2zeldafreak: use comic sans!
Jun 03 21:02:09 <matt_j> this is more of a gradle question
Jun 03 21:02:56 <tjbiddle> groxx: ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
Jun 03 21:03:04 <b2zeldafreak> ah Comic sans, how could I forget. Right now I'm just using dummy data and using "XX:00am" as a string in a textview. To bold only the hour I would have to create two text views I think
Jun 03 21:03:21 <groxx> tjbiddle: ┬─┬ ︵ /(.□. \）
Jun 03 21:03:55 <groxx> b2zeldafreak: or make a bold span in a CharSequence (instead of Strings)
Jun 03 21:04:17 <tjbiddle> lol :p
Jun 03 21:04:22 <tjbiddle> So am I doing something incorrect, or?
Jun 03 21:04:26 <b2zeldafreak> You can do spans in Android?
Jun 03 21:05:03 <tjbiddle> b2zeldafreak: padding?
Jun 03 21:05:44 <b2zeldafreak> I'm using padding, the problem is the difference between 1 digit hours and 2 digit hours (9:00 vs 10:00) because the list view uses the same layout for both
Jun 03 21:06:37 <JesusFreke> b2zeldafreak: I was joking :) The Android lock screen did that for a while, which generated.. a lot of commentary :)
Jun 03 21:07:36 <groxx> b2zeldafreak: yep.  you can hunt around for examples, or the really easy way is to Html.fromHtml("<b>XX</b>:00am");
Jun 03 21:07:44 <Thorbear> b2zeldafreak: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/Spannable.html Allows you to have different styling for parts of a string.
Jun 03 21:16:27 <Quatroking> Hi
Jun 03 21:16:45 <Quatroking> quick question: can I use adb on remote devices?
Jun 03 21:16:58 <Quatroking> as well as debug my projects on remote devices?
Jun 03 21:17:35 <Quatroking> I'm asking because my laptop is crap and using my desktop through RDP while at school is easier for me
Jun 03 21:18:41 <groxx> Quatroking: adb has a tcpip mode
Jun 03 21:19:22 <Quatroking> would that allow me to program everything on my desktop machine at home, then debug it on my cellphone that's 50km away at school?
Jun 03 21:19:29 <groxx> Quatroking: http://developer.android.com/tools/help/adb.html#wireless I would assume you can just forward ports around however you need, to run things through arbitrary networks.
Jun 03 21:21:31 <Quatroking> that looks very interesting
Jun 03 21:23:47 <Quatroking> if forwarding doesnt work I can always VPN it up
Jun 03 21:27:02 <Quatroking> haha, oh man, this is neat
Jun 03 21:27:18 <Quatroking> groxx, thanks, followed the steps and I'm now connected to my phone through wifi
Jun 03 21:28:00 <groxx> Quatroking: :thumbsup: yeah, I enjoy it at times :)  plus it means I don't plug / unplug my phone a billion times a day.
Jun 03 21:28:06 <groxx> :thumbsup:
Jun 03 21:28:12 <Quatroking> Yeah exactly
Jun 03 21:28:17 <groxx> bleh.  sorry :|  autocomplete acting up.
Jun 03 21:28:36 <Quatroking> I have my phone laying next to me connected to my wifi accesspoint
Jun 03 21:28:58 <Quatroking> the AP has a USB port that's live 24/7, whereas my desktop won't charge for some reason when it's off
Jun 03 21:29:09 <Afzal> how do people do this? AS just gets stuck every time it compiles the app
Jun 03 21:29:10 <Afzal> wtf
Jun 03 21:29:32 <Quatroking> Afzal, what, compile to a remote device?
Jun 03 21:30:01 <Quatroking> I just did adb connect [ip] and it showed up on AS' device list
Jun 03 21:30:30 <Afzal> Quatroking, er, no just normal compiling. Looks like cleaning fixed that
Jun 03 21:30:40 <Quatroking> haha okay
Jun 03 21:30:51 <Quatroking> groxx, this is so cool :D http://i.imgur.com/7BczZ1C.png
Jun 03 21:31:14 <Quatroking> totally gonna have to run VPN or something if I want to do this at school though
Jun 03 21:31:37 <Afzal> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=172387
Jun 03 21:31:41 <Quatroking> eh, I'll find a way
Jun 03 21:31:59 <pfn> http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality heh, got them all right
Jun 03 21:43:22 <Odaym> this is so strange..
Jun 03 21:43:40 <Odaym> can a view have the ability to break out of its parent's wrap content and act as if it has match parent?
Jun 03 21:43:59 <Odaym> that's just impossible..if I set wrap content how can it still span the whole area where its sitting in
Jun 03 21:44:41 <Odaym> I set the same bitmap on an imageview, it respects the the view its in, in another custom view I set the bitmap and I see it jump up all the way to the very top of the screen under the actionbar
Jun 03 21:45:49 <groxx> Odaym: probably means your custom view isn't doing onLayout correctly?
Jun 03 21:46:20 <Odaym> that's what Im wondering that is there anything that it can get wrong that will cause it to do this?
Jun 03 21:46:41 <Odaym> regardless what it does, it should still sit in this area that I've specified, how can it possibly go out as if match parent
Jun 03 21:47:33 <groxx> it'll lay out wherever you tell it, though some parents will clip its drawing.
Jun 03 21:48:17 <groxx> it probably means you're basing things on your custom view's onLayout arguments, rather than its width/height, e.g. onLayout(l,t,r,b) { child.layout(l,t,r,b) }
Jun 03 21:48:21 <Afzal> pfn  2/6 :(
Jun 03 21:49:44 <zalatovo> Is it possible to use the new camera API on older API levels?
Jun 03 21:49:56 <groxx> zalatovo: nope
Jun 03 21:50:17 <zalatovo> groxx: so I have to use the deprecated API unless I set min API level to 21
Jun 03 21:50:53 <groxx> zalatovo: yep.  which is pretty normal for multi-version code :)
Jun 03 21:51:29 <zalatovo> groxx: Yeah it does make sense, thanks for the info :-)
Jun 03 21:52:04 <pfn> Afzal, scrub  :p
Jun 03 21:52:16 <Afzal> pfn at least I have more disk space this way
Jun 03 21:54:06 <Odaym> can you take a look at this? http://pastie.org/10222385
Jun 03 21:54:43 <Odaym> this shows how they are being rendered given the same layout but different functions to load the bitmap, here's the function that canvasView uses https://github.com/Korilakkuma/CanvasView/blob/master/com/graphics/CanvasView.java line 811 shows what it does
Jun 03 21:56:10 <pfn> Afzal, I guess that's something of an advantage
Jun 03 21:56:46 <Bokudesu> hi
Jun 03 21:56:57 <Odaym> it seems all correct
Jun 03 21:57:08 <groxx> Odaym: does ImageView center things by default?  it could just be that your ImageView takes up the full screen, but it's only drawing things in the middle.
Jun 03 21:57:10 <Bokudesu> i'm a bit confused about where to store image files my app will use, not sure about this assets vs drawable thing
Jun 03 21:57:20 <Odaym> that IS what's happening, of course
Jun 03 21:57:38 <Odaym> the question is can any view NOT do this just because it chooses to? what about the layout rules in the XML
Jun 03 21:57:49 <Odaym> and if so, where is that canvasView going wrong? there is no onLayout there
Jun 03 21:57:50 <pfn> Afzal, I really don't care about 320 vs. uncompressed though, 320 sounds good
Jun 03 21:57:53 <pfn> 128 sounds terrible
Jun 03 21:58:04 <pfn> Afzal, 2/6 but which did you pick for the 4 wrong?
Jun 03 21:58:32 <Afzal> pfn mostly it was between 320kbps and uncompressed but it was more intuition than anything for 4 of them
Jun 03 21:59:13 <Afzal> now, question is, if you only heard the 128kbps version, would you be able to tell that it's not 320kbps?
Jun 03 21:59:47 <groxx> Odaym: layout order implies rendering order.  since it seems your layout fills the entire screen (including behind the status bar), do you have your toolbar at the _end_ of the xml, or at the beginning?
Jun 03 22:00:29 <Odaym> I could avoid all of this if I could get the width and height of that canvasView to be that of the bitmap I've just loaded, but that is not working at all since ..well It just isnt working, it always spans so much more than what the numbers I got from bitmap.getHeight/Width are
Jun 03 22:00:52 <Odaym> cause those numbers caused that image to be loaded in that size, you set it to the canvas and its like you gave it way too much, that's what I'd ideally like to do
Jun 03 22:01:11 <Odaym> I do that with canvasView.getLayoutParams().height = bitmapIveJustLoaded.getHeight()
Jun 03 22:01:53 <Odaym> if that works, i dont care about this one, cause this one is just for not giving a chance to the canvasView to explode
Jun 03 22:02:11 <pfn> Afzal, well, intuition is part of perception, so at least it's not guessing
Jun 03 22:02:21 <Odaym> and they are both in pixels, totally dont understand why those numbers would cause one to be that size and the other to be much larger
Jun 03 22:03:53 <pfn> Afzal, I rarely bust out my nice headphones anymore, anyway
Jun 03 22:04:07 <Afzal> mhm,
Jun 03 22:05:15 <groxx> Odaym: they look the same size to me, it's probably just the position things are being drawn in
Jun 03 22:05:21 <Afzal> My nicest headphones are the old xiaomi in-ear phones
Jun 03 22:05:53 <Odaym> ahh
Jun 03 22:06:17 <Odaym> well it was not like you saw there, before, it was centerInParent on each one explcitly
Jun 03 22:06:22 <Odaym> and still
Jun 03 22:06:41 <Odaym> can you see the code for canvasView? Im pretty sure its what you are saying now
Jun 03 22:06:46 <Odaym> or where would I look
Jun 03 22:07:46 <groxx> Odaym: since they both end up being match_parent / match_parent, it might not be related.  check your Toolbar, I suspect it's at the beginning of your layout, when it should be at the end.
Jun 03 22:08:00 <Odaym> there is no toolbar
Jun 03 22:08:21 <Odaym> the previous activity Im comparing to has the exact same layout but with an imageview instead of a canvasview, that's what made me compare like this
Jun 03 22:08:22 <groxx> just an ActionBar?
Jun 03 22:08:52 <Odaym> yes
Jun 03 22:09:47 <groxx> and ImageView and CanvasView have different drawing behaviors.  what happens if you set scaleType to "fitXY" on the imageview?
Jun 03 22:11:57 <Bokudesu> say I have a blackjack game and I have scanned images of the cards, need to store them somewhere and use them in the app, where do i store them ? Assets? Drawable?
Jun 03 22:12:33 <pfn> depends
Jun 03 22:12:39 <pfn> if you have multiple resolutions, then drawables
Jun 03 22:12:46 <pfn> if just one, probably assets, and depends on how you'll use them
Jun 03 22:13:17 <Bokudesu> pfn, what options do i have in the way i use them?
Jun 03 22:13:19 <ashwink005> hey can someone explain why the yVelocity in ViewDragHelper is sooooo,large?
Jun 03 22:13:31 <pfn> Bokudesu, start by reading android dev guide
Jun 03 22:13:37 <Bokudesu> i have
Jun 03 22:13:41 <ashwink005> the yvel float that you get in onViewReleased
Jun 03 22:13:51 <Bokudesu> but it's to complicated, i've spent all day today reading it
Jun 03 22:13:57 <Bokudesu> *so
Jun 03 22:14:19 <Bokudesu> i've searched on stackoverflow too and people can't make their minds up about it
Jun 03 22:14:24 <Bokudesu> so i'm a bit confused
Jun 03 22:14:50 <ashwink005> ...anyone? its around 4000-20000
Jun 03 22:14:53 <Quatroking> groxx, i love you
Jun 03 22:15:03 <Odaym> it now behaves the same as the canvasView is
Jun 03 22:15:15 <Odaym> hm
Jun 03 22:15:19 <ashwink005> even though the ViewConfig.getScaledMinimumFlingVelocity is 150
Jun 03 22:15:36 <Quatroking> just set up a vpn on my homeserver and borrowed the neighbour's wifi, I can now connect remotely to my moto g even when I'm not at home
Jun 03 22:15:39 <Quatroking> this is the life
Jun 03 22:15:52 <groxx> Quatroking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_5ulA4puS8
Jun 03 22:16:27 <Quatroking> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNUFjFYOQHU
Jun 03 22:17:02 <Quatroking> android is an ass about wifi networks tho
Jun 03 22:17:07 <ashwink005> :(
Jun 03 22:17:10 <Quatroking> keeps trying to connect to my home wifi because it has better signal
Jun 03 22:17:58 <Odaym> what if I set the bitmap to an imageview that has scaleType centerInside and I then grab the resulting bitmap from it and set that to the canvasView?
Jun 03 22:18:06 <Odaym> it will still draw it how it wants, lol
Jun 03 22:18:07 <Odaym> stupid
Jun 03 22:20:15 <groxx> ashwink005: seems like 4000 > 150, which is the scaled _minimum_ from what you pasted?
Jun 03 22:20:56 <ashwink005> 150 is the scaled minimum velocity I'm getting from the ViewConfiguration class
Jun 03 22:21:10 <ashwink005> which is disastrously low.. even small moves cause a fling
Jun 03 22:22:12 <groxx> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I haven't dealt with flings.  I remember seeing something in the android docs saying many divide the velocity by 8 or something (or maybe that was friction?)
Jun 03 22:22:49 <groxx> ashwink005: yeah, it's in a note here: http://developer.android.com/training/custom-views/making-interactive.html#motion
Jun 03 22:24:00 <ashwink005> groxx: yeah I've memorized the guides by now :P anyways thanks, I'll manually scale them
Jun 03 22:24:15 * sir_galahad_ad dances
Jun 03 22:24:26 * groxx codes
Jun 03 22:25:00 <ashwink005> ashwink005: codes
Jun 03 22:25:17 <heater89> when creating a layer-list of multiple shapes, why does changing the size of one shape affect the other?
Jun 03 22:25:24 <sir_galahad_ad> ashwink005: i think you want /me codes
Jun 03 22:25:37 <ashwink005> he he was trying that :P
Jun 03 22:25:40 <ashwink005> thx :D
Jun 03 22:25:43 <sir_galahad_ad> np
Jun 03 22:25:45 * ashwink005 codes
Jun 03 22:25:49 <ashwink005> wooah
Jun 03 22:25:50 <ashwink005> nice
Jun 03 22:26:38 <Odaym> welcome to the internet
Jun 03 22:27:17 <g00s> pfn have you tried qicr on MNC yet ?
Jun 03 22:27:47 <ashwink005> anyone knows how to make View scrolling smoother? how to optimize the code in ComputeScroll()
Jun 03 22:27:52 <cosmo> so when i plug the phone in and windows tells me the driver's responsive... but when i check devices and ADB and it doesn't return anything... is all hope lost
Jun 03 22:28:03 <cosmo> crap wrong channel
Jun 03 22:28:04 <groxx> g00s: Monday Night Combat?  Mobile Network Code?  Massively Neurotic Cat?
Jun 03 22:28:33 <JesusFreke> Maybe Not Crappy?
Jun 03 22:28:54 <g00s> i'm wondering about this https://commonsware.com/blog/2015/06/03/random-musing-m-developer-preview-ugly-part-one.html
Jun 03 22:29:04 <sir_galahad_ad> Moose 'N' Cuttlefish
Jun 03 22:29:09 <g00s> the goal of my app is to stay connected to bluetooth devices
Jun 03 22:29:12 <groxx> sir_galahad_ad: I like how you think
Jun 03 22:29:17 <g00s> if android shuts it down, its not very useful
Jun 03 22:29:20 <groxx> plus, that could totally be a restaurant
Jun 03 22:29:42 <sir_galahad_ad> \o/
Jun 03 22:30:01 <groxx> I'd imagine the way to stay connected is to run a foreground notification.  like you should be doing anyway, if you want to stay alive.  everything I've seen has "... if not in the foreground for a while" or similar.
Jun 03 22:30:02 <ashwink005> I'm using View.offsetTopandBottom(int dy) inside ComputeScroll()... how can it be made less "choppy"?
Jun 03 22:30:54 <surf2b1> ughh, "allow usb debugging?" dialog pops up every time since updating tools.
Jun 03 22:33:19 * ashwink005 codes
Jun 03 22:33:35 * ashwink005 does much coding.. wow
Jun 03 22:34:17 <groxx> such code, very bugs
Jun 03 22:35:02 <heNNa-> much debugging, wow
Jun 03 22:36:27 <Odaym> waw man
Jun 03 22:36:37 <Odaym> hardest thing in my life
Jun 03 22:36:49 <Odaym> crycry
Jun 03 22:37:19 <g00s> that cool, Tim Cook was honored for ‘corporate leadership’ during EPIC’s Champions of Freedom event. EPIC is like EFF but privacy specific
Jun 03 22:39:35 <NateRiver> what do you prefer Dagger2 or Guice for dependency injection
Jun 03 22:39:57 <g00s> i dont think guice is used often on android
Jun 03 22:40:12 <g00s> probably more Dagger 1 vs Dagger 2
Jun 03 22:40:28 <JakeWharton> please don't use Guice
Jun 03 22:40:45 <sir_galahad_ad> i wish Android Studio didn't give me grief about deprecated Classes when the platform i'm targeting is pre-deprecation
Jun 03 22:40:49 * Napalm agrees with JakeWharton
Jun 03 22:41:06 <NateRiver> so i should focus on dagger 2
Jun 03 22:41:13 <JakeWharton> or 1
Jun 03 22:41:20 <JakeWharton> but sure, 2 is fine
Jun 03 22:41:27 <tjbiddle> Anyone tried setting the new FAB button background color? If you call setBackgroundColor() it ends up overlaying a colored square on it
Jun 03 22:41:45 <g00s> tjbiddle don't do that
Jun 03 22:41:47 <g00s> :)
Jun 03 22:41:56 <tjbiddle> g00s: Well I'm not *now* :)
Jun 03 22:42:08 <tjbiddle> But I still would like to change the color programmatically - is that possible?
Jun 03 22:42:16 <surf2b1> Chris Banes fail
Jun 03 22:42:23 <g00s> did you look to see if there was a theme attribute controlling it?
Jun 03 22:42:33 <tjbiddle> g00s: Yes, it's going by the accent color
Jun 03 22:42:58 <Napalm> tjbiddle: use android:theme attribute and extend your normal theme and replace the accentColor
Jun 03 22:43:12 <tjbiddle> Napalm: But that's not programmatically
Jun 03 22:43:22 <Napalm> do it with a ContextThemeWrapper then
Jun 03 22:43:22 <Napalm> :|
Jun 03 22:43:31 * tjbiddle googles
Jun 03 22:44:15 <tjbiddle> Napalm: Looks like that will only help me out if I have the theme already defined in a resource, right?
Jun 03 22:44:18 <JakeWharton> tjbiddle: it's fixed internally. didn't make release.
Jun 03 22:44:38 <jcase> has anyone build an app with a library containing a precompiiled dex on AndroidStudio?
Jun 03 22:44:39 <NateRiver> i think ive been doing "dependency injectiong" naturally all along, isnt it just passing classes into constructors?
Jun 03 22:44:49 <JakeWharton> in a way, yes
Jun 03 22:44:55 <JakeWharton> that's DI as a pattern
Jun 03 22:45:07 <JakeWharton> you still need to manage things like singletons and scopes yourself
Jun 03 22:45:14 <Napalm> tjbiddle: override getResource
Jun 03 22:45:36 <tjbiddle> JakeWharton: Awesome. Have a rough idea when you think they'll be pushing that fix out? (I know, I know - don't ask for release dates :p - but curious)
Jun 03 22:45:47 <tjbiddle> Napalm: Elaborate?
Jun 03 22:45:51 <JakeWharton> no idea
Jun 03 22:46:01 <JakeWharton> i'm sure if i worked at Google i would have an idea but then couldn't actually tell you
Jun 03 22:46:25 <surf2b1> jcase: Not with AS but with Eclipse
Jun 03 22:46:38 <jcase> yeah ive done it with ant
Jun 03 22:46:41 <surf2b1> I just put the dex in assets. Assuming you can do that w/ AS
Jun 03 22:46:44 <wilkim_> Hello, how is everyone?
Jun 03 22:46:47 <tjbiddle> Ah, gotchya. Figured if you had insight that it was fixed internally you may have a 3rd eye on it somewhere
Jun 03 22:47:18 <Napalm> tjbiddle: the FAB is going to resolve the attributes from the theme it will look up the value of the theme resource you can override that in code.
Jun 03 22:47:44 <Napalm> tjbiddle: look at the source and work it out.. but tbh. its a hack and I dont like it
Jun 03 22:48:04 <Napalm> tjbiddle: either wait for the fix.. or just copy the FAB code into your project and fix the bug yourself
Jun 03 22:48:46 <wilkim_> I am fimilar with Java, but I haven't written or done anything with Java for about 5 years. I want to develop a game for android. Would anyone happen to recommend a quick way to get to a point where I would need to in getting this to happen?
Jun 03 22:49:17 <b2zeldafreak> Unity3D supports Android
Jun 03 22:50:16 <wilkim_> I actually forgot all about that.. lol ty. What would you recommend more, unity or unreal?
Jun 03 22:50:52 <tjbiddle> Napalm: Yeah - seems messy. I'm in no rush for it; will just leave that line commented out for now. Where can I find the repo for the design lib? (Or any - for that matter) Is that this guy? https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_support/tree/master/design
Jun 03 22:51:08 <NateRiver> what about OpenGl es isnt that the most used one?
Jun 03 22:51:17 <groxx> wilkim_: probably depends more on the feature-set and licensing terms
Jun 03 22:51:19 <pfn> g00s, nope, have you?
Jun 03 22:51:35 <Ologn> wilkim_, I have done a number of C/C++ games for Android
Jun 03 22:52:11 <g00s> pfn i dont have MNC on any devices yet, and BT doesn't work in the emu ... so not yet. but our apps are similar in that they maintain a list of stateful connections to things
Jun 03 22:52:19 <kolobyte> mytv.setText(""); mytv.getText().equals("") { } why would that evaluate false?
Jun 03 22:52:26 <pfn> g00s, should work either way
Jun 03 22:52:29 <Mavrik> wilkim_, both are nice, Unity is the more popular one, Unreal is the better written one but C++ is a very useful knowledge at it
Jun 03 22:52:33 <pfn> g00s, nothing's changed of any import yet
Jun 03 22:52:41 <jcase> kolobyte, because your not comparing text
Jun 03 22:52:53 <jcase> mytv.getText().toString().equals("")
Jun 03 22:53:08 <g00s> pfn hm, doze mode seems pretty heavy handed
Jun 03 22:53:11 <kolobyte> jcase:  i see. what does getText return?
Jun 03 22:53:17 <kolobyte> char[] ?
Jun 03 22:53:28 <surf2b1> CharSequence
Jun 03 22:54:10 <kolobyte> and it's not overloaded to act like a String?
Jun 03 22:54:20 <wilkim_> I've written both C++ and C# I didn't have a preference really, but I do recall points were annoying at the time, but I was also about 10 lol. Would one be a better experiance or provide more rapid development? I don't support etheir support or work in linux in any capacity too as I prefer to use Ubuntu for the development os
Jun 03 22:55:12 <pfn> g00s, well, if a user chooses to doze-mode an app, that's on them
Jun 03 22:55:17 <pfn> g00s, can check for it, maybe, I suppose
Jun 03 22:55:25 <pfn> but otherwise, nothing of import
Jun 03 22:55:35 * pfn still waits for 5.1 on his moto x
Jun 03 22:55:47 <pfn> 7 months in, and my moto x still can't do voice and data at the same time on vzw
Jun 03 22:55:50 <pfn> serious joke
Jun 03 22:57:55 <pfn> hmm, 1.4.0 of android-sdk-plugin is shaping up to look pretty nice
Jun 03 22:58:00 <JakeWharton> kolobyte: a String is a CharSequence, a CharSequence is not a String
Jun 03 22:58:20 <JakeWharton> not always, at least
Jun 03 22:58:37 <kolobyte>  /shrug androiod magic!
Jun 03 22:58:46 <JakeWharton> nothing to do with Android
Jun 03 22:58:47 <pfn> not android magic
Jun 03 22:58:48 <pfn> it's java
Jun 03 22:58:57 <kolobyte> that could be it too. not great at java
Jun 03 23:02:40 <wilkim_> , I looked into Unity into the past, even read some docs, this was back when unreal cost a lot and wasn't free with royaltees.
Jun 03 23:03:09 <groxx> yeah, there have certainly been changes lately in that realm :)
Jun 03 23:03:55 <wilkim_> I was thinking of trying to make a hex based game after I finish the first one I've been thinking about. I know in some ways they are like oranges and apples, but are they both about the same in terms of how much you'd have to go through to create a hex based game, or do you guys think it would be easier in unreal than unity or vice versa?
Jun 03 23:04:29 <kolobyte> like 0xDEADBEEF based?
Jun 03 23:05:33 <wilkim_> more or less I mean I know in Unity things are measured in a 3 axis square based grid, from what I recall, so you have to build it atop of that, I wasn't sure if unreal went about things a differrent way
Jun 03 23:07:27 <JesusFreke> I have no experience with either, but I imagine it would be about the same in either case. You'll have to impose your hex "grid" on the existing Cartesian coordinate system.
Jun 03 23:09:00 <wilkim_> ah that's what the coord system was called, I couldn't remember. and that's what I figured, but I was unsure. Thank you all so far for helping so much
Jun 03 23:15:55 <NateRiver> this would be fun to wear all the time http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Android-Robot-Mascot-Costume/dp/B008SV1020
Jun 03 23:17:44 <g00s> NateRiver i wonder if that thing has a urinary catheter hookup
Jun 03 23:19:10 <s73v3r> If I include a layout twice in my layout, how can I access each one’s child members?
Jun 03 23:19:31 <wilkim_> is 2D as easy in unreal as it is in Unity?
Jun 03 23:19:49 <g00s> s73v3r you can assign an ID to the root container ... and search from that root i suppose
Jun 03 23:20:00 <DarkChaoZ> Bruh this is android not unreal or unity channel
Jun 03 23:20:04 <g00s> the root of the included container
Jun 03 23:21:01 <DarkChaoZ> Do u guys reckon apple will ever bring xcode to windows?
Jun 03 23:21:32 <DarkChaoZ> Then again i heard that Steve Jobs vowed to destroy android
Jun 03 23:21:38 <DarkChaoZ> -_-
Jun 03 23:21:38 <canvs2321> Bruh this is android not apple or mac channel
Jun 03 23:22:35 <DarkChaoZ> Bruh this is a developer channel not a general chat
Jun 03 23:22:38 <g00s> DarkChaoZ Steve doesn't have to do anything, google will do it themselves
Jun 03 23:22:51 <DarkChaoZ> trololol
Jun 03 23:23:06 <g00s> bruhuhuhuh
Jun 03 23:23:20 <DarkChaoZ> So whats the hate on google den? Android-wise
Jun 03 23:23:27 <DarkChaoZ> They're messing it up?
Jun 03 23:23:31 <g00s> i'm just being a wise ass
Jun 03 23:23:36 <DarkChaoZ> lol
Jun 03 23:27:13 <groxx> hm.  anyone else with the M preview having problems with `adb shell run-as <package>` ?  it's always reporting "x has corrupt installation" for me...
Jun 03 23:34:19 <groxx> well, at least there's one: https://code.google.com/p/android-developer-preview/issues/detail?id=2108
Jun 03 23:34:32 <groxx> how many of you in here are running the M preview, btw?
Jun 03 23:36:23 <groxx> lol: https://code.google.com/p/android-developer-preview/issues/detail?id=2060 + http://i.imgur.com/444b6Xb.png
Jun 03 23:41:51 <g00s> groxx i dont really find much interesting about MNC beside the permissions; it doesn't seem like a big release
Jun 03 23:42:25 <groxx> true.  but I figure I can't be the _only_ willing guinea pig in here
Jun 03 23:42:51 <JakeWharton> big releases are bad
Jun 03 23:42:58 <groxx> and maybe I can trick people into voting for https://code.google.com/p/android-developer-preview/issues/detail?id=2108
Jun 03 23:44:47 <g00s> groxx i'm not falling for it !
Jun 03 23:45:20 <groxx> :'( well, maybe you'll at least vote for http://is.gd/WVZvnI ?
Jun 03 23:45:30 <in_deep_thought> when you have a custom Imageview that takes a bitmap in its constructor when its created, does putting an android:src attribute in the xml fill that role?
Jun 03 23:45:46 <in_deep_thought> and the bitmap supplied to the create function will be the one given in the src?
Jun 03 23:46:08 <JakeWharton> no
Jun 03 23:46:14 <in_deep_thought> rats
Jun 03 23:50:10 <NateRiver> are all the design patterns useful? theres like a 40, is this the kinda stuff people learn in college?
Jun 03 23:50:44 <groxx> NateRiver: every. single. one.
Jun 03 23:54:20 <groxx> I swear, I dream in VisitorFacades
Jun 03 23:54:28 <dasqueel> Does anybody have experience with the DragSortListView library by Carl Bauer?
Jun 03 23:58:51 <matt_j> Question!
Jun 03 23:59:05 <matt_j> if I have a large stack of activities containing webViews, how do I keep the device from running out of memory?
Jun 03 23:59:25 <g00s> lol
Jun 03 23:59:32 <DarkChaoZ> Webviews are bad
Jun 03 23:59:53 <matt_j> I know
Jun 03 23:59:55 <matt_j> they're horrible
Jun 03 23:59:59 <g00s> matt_j write a web app instead
Jun 04 00:00:11 <matt_j> There is one, I'm told
Jun 04 00:00:18 <DarkChaoZ> So why u using it? Im curious
Jun 04 00:00:23 <DarkChaoZ> What u tryna do?
Jun 04 00:00:27 <matt_j> I'm not using it, indian contractors are
Jun 04 00:00:33 <DarkChaoZ> lol
Jun 04 00:00:45 <matt_j> I, however, am trying to keep the app from running out of memory when many activities open, spawning these things
Jun 04 00:01:06 * surf2b1 slaps indian contractors with a large trout
Jun 04 00:01:19 <DarkChaoZ> Im an android noob so i cant help u
Jun 04 00:01:31 * DarkChaoZ agrees with surf
Jun 04 00:01:38 <DarkChaoZ> How much u paying em?
Jun 04 00:01:46 <matt_j> I'm just an employee here
Jun 04 00:01:50 <DarkChaoZ> Ahh
Jun 04 00:01:51 <matt_j> cleaning up the mess
Jun 04 00:02:01 <DarkChaoZ> I see.
Jun 04 00:02:10 <NateRiver> why are alot of indian contractors messy programmers? cant they spend some time practicing
Jun 04 00:02:14 <matt_j> is there any reliable way for an activity to, say, kill off its webviews on low memory?
Jun 04 00:02:40 <g00s> matt_j yeah kinda ...
Jun 04 00:02:45 <DarkChaoZ> I think they just wanna make some money quick lol
Jun 04 00:02:49 <g00s> oberride onTrimMemory and nuke things
Jun 04 00:03:01 <DarkChaoZ> Just learning the least favourable way to code
Jun 04 00:03:03 <matt_j> hmm thanks
Jun 04 00:03:26 <matt_j> oh this is API 14 :(
Jun 04 00:03:30 <matt_j> I gotta support 9
Jun 04 00:03:33 <g00s> wtf
Jun 04 00:03:42 <matt_j> time to get creative
Jun 04 00:03:54 <DarkChaoZ> Lol
Jun 04 00:03:57 <g00s> you aren't - webview in 9 is a POS
Jun 04 00:04:00 <matt_j> what if an activity killed off its webviews onStop
Jun 04 00:04:10 <matt_j> nah I'm getting a crash on my OnePlusOne
Jun 04 00:04:24 <matt_j> actually a native chromium crash as well
Jun 04 00:04:28 <matt_j> on lollipop
Jun 04 00:04:30 <matt_j> it's messed up
Jun 04 00:04:32 <g00s> i think the channel should say "no questions for APIs below 16"
Jun 04 00:04:36 <g00s> channel topic
Jun 04 00:04:38 <matt_j> g00s: hahahaha!
Jun 04 00:07:05 <matt_j> believe me, I've seen some shit
Jun 04 00:07:06 <matt_j> ;)
Jun 04 00:08:51 <DarkChaoZ> Used webview once..
Jun 04 00:08:55 <DarkChaoZ> Never again..
Jun 04 00:09:23 <matt_j> :)
Jun 04 00:09:27 <matt_j> yeah
Jun 04 00:11:02 <s73v3r> why do you need to support 9?
Jun 04 00:11:25 <matt_j> because of a large number of gingerbread users
Jun 04 00:11:52 <s73v3r> are they actually bringing in revenue?
Jun 04 00:12:04 <matt_j> They must be or I wouldn't be wasting my time with it
Jun 04 00:14:54 <NateRiver> should i put all the logic and computation for my fragment it its onCreateView?
Jun 04 00:15:00 <NateRiver> in*
Jun 04 00:16:30 <NateRiver> like it needs to check if someone entered the right answer and update their profile
Jun 04 00:55:46 <ron_frown> nice
Jun 04 00:56:10 <ron_frown> new install of android studio with new bootstrapped nav drawer activity
Jun 04 00:56:15 <ron_frown> shit doesnt compile
Jun 04 00:56:18 <ron_frown> with 0 changes
Jun 04 00:56:19 <ron_frown> lol
Jun 04 00:57:03 <ron_frown> shitty gradle
Jun 04 01:03:10 <ron_frown> really kinda surprised that in the last 6mo I've not been messing with android things are kinda not better
Jun 04 01:15:13 <g00s> ron_frown quality is a more a function of culture then time ;)
Jun 04 01:18:31 <apoc52> Hi Everyone, I'm building an app with the current API level 22. What is the best way to change the background color of the action bar? How can I add an Icon to it? I've look it up but it looks like it only applies to the older APIs
Jun 04 01:21:28 <Muchoz> What is a good RAM usage for a non image intensive app?
Jun 04 01:24:25 <g00s> CedricBeust you or jake posted that link yesterday from Ron Pressler http://curry-on.org/2015/sessions/push-greater-than-pull-please-stop-polluting-our-imperative-languages-with-pure-concepts.html
Jun 04 01:25:23 <g00s> he works on something called Quasar/Pulsar. i remember trying to get it working on android a few years ago. The next version will have android support apparently
Jun 04 01:25:44 <g00s> so I think a preview of that talk can be found here http://www.javacodegeeks.com/2015/04/farewell-to-asynchronous-code.html
Jun 04 01:25:50 <g00s> "Extra Credit: What About Monads?"
Jun 04 01:26:19 <aspire> is it ok to mix ui and core stuff togetherÉ
Jun 04 01:27:04 <aspire> i have a class. each instance of this class is stored in a listview. each class will have a respective notification
Jun 04 01:27:46 <aspire> so would it be a good idea to store the notiifcation in that class
Jun 04 01:28:29 <Muchoz> aspire, item in the listview has a notification?
Jun 04 01:28:35 <Muchoz> each*
Jun 04 01:28:48 <aspire> well i mean it's just a list of services (sort of)
Jun 04 01:29:42 <Muchoz> Just make it clean
Jun 04 01:29:55 <Muchoz> If you start to think "this is messy", split it.
Jun 04 01:30:40 <jaana> g00s: Yes I saw that last night
Jun 04 01:30:57 <jaana> They added Kotlin support to Quasar recently
Jun 04 01:31:00 <g00s> actually this is a better link http://blog.paralleluniverse.co/2014/08/12/noasync/
Jun 04 01:31:06 <g00s> jaana yeah, interesting !
Jun 04 01:31:59 <Muchoz> Once Realm fixes issue #909, my memory usage will decrease significantly. Damn!
Jun 04 01:32:24 <g00s> Muchoz i'm sure eventually there will be issue 910
Jun 04 01:32:30 <g00s> and you'll be screwed again
Jun 04 01:33:00 <Muchoz> g00s, it's no memory issue. It's just that they only allow getters and setters so I don't use Realm for some data classes now.
Jun 04 01:33:08 <Muchoz> And the workaround is RAM intensive.
Jun 04 01:33:37 <aspire> do i have to modify notification text on the ui thread
Jun 04 01:33:56 <Muchoz> aspire, you never have to, but you always can.
Jun 04 01:34:26 <aspire> o..
Jun 04 01:34:32 <aspire> mhmm
Jun 04 01:34:39 <aspire> because events are being fired from a different thread
Jun 04 01:36:18 <hert> i'm moving my app from sqlite to parse trying to put a marker on map and save it location with Parse GeoPoint but for some reason i keepp getting nul object reference at line 46 for the geoPoint but when i print out regular lat and long it shows
Jun 04 01:36:20 <hert> http://pastebin.com/n3H6yDSD
Jun 04 01:39:03 <Muchoz> aspire, oh that was a question. I'd say try it without, you'll get an exception if you have to. Else use a handler.
Jun 04 01:41:35 <NateRiver> im making a really good onion soup if anyone likes by nine mile creek circle you can come have some
Jun 04 01:41:37 <ron_frown> anyone knwo of a quick and efficient image thumbnail grid
Jun 04 01:41:42 <Muchoz> Well damn my RAM usage is sky-high because of that workaround...
Jun 04 01:41:56 <NateRiver> lives*
Jun 04 01:42:01 <ron_frown> preferrably something smart neough to unload imagaes and stuf when they are scrolled out of view
Jun 04 01:42:46 <Muchoz> adb says 60MB, Android memory info says average 104MB, max 358MB.....
Jun 04 01:42:58 <g00s> ron_frown here is one https://github.com/bumptech/glide
Jun 04 01:43:06 <Muchoz> Alright, let's go with something other than Realm...
Jun 04 01:43:15 <g00s> and then there is picasso but i haven't used either
Jun 04 01:43:26 <g00s> not even sure if they cover the same use case
Jun 04 01:43:57 <JakeWharton> neither will "unload" images because they'll be memory cached until evicted by policy
Jun 04 01:44:21 <JakeWharton> if the user scrolls down and then back up you don't want to re-decode the ones you've just seen
Jun 04 01:44:39 <ron_frown> understandable
Jun 04 01:46:31 <Muchoz> Does anyone have any experience with Sugar? http://satyan.github.io/sugar/
Jun 04 01:46:42 <Muchoz> Are there better libraries?
Jun 04 01:47:27 <Muchoz> I just need a basic data relation database library and this looks quite good.
Jun 04 01:48:15 <Muchoz> Stepping away from writing SQL myself now because of the many data classes and repetitive code I would write.
Jun 04 01:48:48 <aspire> uhh quick question - how do i make it so that the user cant swipe my notification away
Jun 04 01:48:57 <aspire> i dont want it to be dismissed
Jun 04 01:49:54 <Muchoz> aspire, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Notification.Builder.html#setOngoing%28boolean%29
Jun 04 01:50:59 <aspire> ahhh yes thanks
Jun 04 01:53:29 <aspire> are there any restrictions on notification ids?
Jun 04 01:54:04 <aspire> the id of my notification is 0
Jun 04 01:54:08 <aspire> and it doesn't work
Jun 04 01:54:40 <JakeWharton> i'm going to guess you can't make it 0
Jun 04 01:54:45 <JakeWharton> use 987245
Jun 04 01:54:51 <aspire> oh
Jun 04 01:54:58 <aspire> i'll just add like
Jun 04 01:55:02 <aspire> 1000 to it or something
Jun 04 01:55:26 <aspire> or some other large number
Jun 04 01:55:42 <NateRiver> How can an android crash and have OOM error for a single picture but it dosent run out of memory for crazy games like temple run?
Jun 04 01:58:58 <g00s> NateRiver you didn't get your PhD in Android image programming
Jun 04 01:59:02 <aspire> JakeWharton, still not working
Jun 04 01:59:07 <aspire> im using ~1m
Jun 04 02:01:59 <TacticalJoke> NateRiver:  Decoding an image can yield something huge.
Jun 04 02:02:31 <ferdna> anyone developing with qt?
Jun 04 02:02:55 <aspire> yup i'm at a loss really
Jun 04 02:05:53 <aspire> idk why this isn't working
Jun 04 02:05:58 <aspire> can i show you my code?
Jun 04 02:11:19 <TacticalJoke> aspire:  It's a waste of time asking such a question.
Jun 04 02:13:01 <NateRiver> but dosent a game use like 100 images
Jun 04 02:13:12 <aspire> TacticalJoke, tbh i bet it's the context i'm using
Jun 04 02:13:25 <aspire> i'm trying to create the notification using an array adapter's context
Jun 04 02:19:50 <aspire> passed an instance of the activity and using that as the context still no different
Jun 04 02:19:52 <aspire> difference
Jun 04 02:20:55 <ron_frown> god damn it gradle really blows
Jun 04 02:21:04 <ron_frown> whats the idea for a project you downloaded elsehwere
Jun 04 02:21:16 <ron_frown> just open the root with android studio and its supposed to just magically just work
Jun 04 02:29:25 <g00s> oh man, if OS X 10.11 comes out at WWDC i'll be 4 versions behind :|
Jun 04 02:29:32 <aspire> TacticalJoke, i figured out the problem
Jun 04 02:29:34 <_genuser_> hey ppl.
Jun 04 02:29:49 <aspire> looks like you can't show a notification if it doesn't have a small icon drawable
Jun 04 02:30:02 <_genuser_> so this recruiter reaches out to me on linkedin, asks if I'm interested, I say sure let's discuss, and then she sends me a connect request and then nothing.
Jun 04 02:30:24 <g00s> _genuser_ yeah happens to me too
Jun 04 02:30:35 <_genuser_> g00s: did you reach out again? Or just drop it?
Jun 04 02:30:49 <g00s> nah, didn't try again
Jun 04 02:30:52 <_genuser_> g00s: I wonder if she's trying to "assess" if the candidate is really serious.
Jun 04 02:31:01 <g00s> no, she's trying to get to your contacts
Jun 04 02:31:04 <g00s> lol
Jun 04 02:31:31 <_genuser_> lol, so you can't disconnect them after connecting? or is it that people don't?
Jun 04 02:31:52 <g00s> do what linkedin says - don't connect with people unless you know who they are
Jun 04 02:31:52 <_genuser_> oh well, it sounded like a good position.
Jun 04 02:32:25 <_genuser_> g00s: well, a recruiter offers a nicer job than the one you're at... and sends a connect, you can't ignore it mid conversation.
Jun 04 02:32:51 <g00s> recruiter is doing something like 'select * from everyone' | email "lets connect"
Jun 04 02:32:55 <_genuser_> I'm not worried about the connect. I'm looking to make mine 500+ also, so it helps me also.
Jun 04 02:33:11 <pfn> _genuser_, my response: interview or gtfo
Jun 04 02:33:21 <_genuser_> g00s: hehe, lol, you're so right. that's what she's probably doing.
Jun 04 02:33:34 <g00s> _genuser_ why do you want 500 people? human brain can't even distinguish that many individuals
Jun 04 02:33:45 <_genuser_> pfn: yeah, I'll wait a day and send a nice response asking if she wanted to interview. if she doesn't, I'll just ignore it.
Jun 04 02:33:50 <g00s> quality > quantity
Jun 04 02:34:21 <_genuser_> g00s: apparently, it impresses hiring managers if you have more than 500+. so why not. I personally don't even care about linkedin and the "votes" people have over their skills.
Jun 04 02:34:24 <g00s> _genuser_ also you can put in your profile, 'if you would like to get in touch include the word banana in the subject'
Jun 04 02:34:38 <_genuser_> based on what I get voted on and what I get asked to vote others on.... it's completely random and useless.
Jun 04 02:34:55 <aspire> where do you actually define the functionality for buttons you show in the notification
Jun 04 02:35:12 <g00s> _genuser_ nah, you don't understand how this works. connections go towards a score , they can be + or -. that is, losers can drag you down
Jun 04 02:35:13 <aspire> http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/AndroidNotifications/article.html i'm looking at this tutorial and i don't see any action listeners or anything of that nature
Jun 04 02:35:32 <_genuser_> in other words if a dude has "mr. topshot" as a skill and 100+ votes, I know that's the first one he started getting votes on and then linkedin kept showing that to others and they kept saying sure, vote.
Jun 04 02:35:40 <g00s> _genuser_ same thing in Facebook, your credit score can be impacted by who you friended
Jun 04 02:36:00 <_genuser_> g00s: credit store as in FICO score?
Jun 04 02:36:09 <g00s> yup
Jun 04 02:36:43 <_genuser_> g00s: really? didn't know that. for linkedin, I heard recruiters say they like 500+ because it means the person have enough marketing skills to get that many people. so blah blah.
Jun 04 02:36:56 <g00s> _genuser_ and its also well known in networking, the # of connections is not important - its the # of connections to networks of people far away (in CS graph theory)
Jun 04 02:37:18 <g00s> so you are better off having a few connections than everyone in your company
Jun 04 02:37:36 <pfn> credit score is not affected by fb
Jun 04 02:37:43 <g00s> pfn oh yes it is
Jun 04 02:37:45 <_genuser_> g00s: well, so much for reading random articles on networking for a job.
Jun 04 02:38:01 <ron_frown> haha
Jun 04 02:38:16 <ron_frown> g00s you are connected to me on linked in, right?
Jun 04 02:38:27 <g00s> ron_frown you are in trouble dude, yeah :)
Jun 04 02:39:00 <_genuser_> so ron_frown has a lower FICO score just because of g00s !
Jun 04 02:39:42 <g00s> http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/26/technology/social/facebook-credit-score/
Jun 04 02:40:01 <g00s> people are so fucking clueless what they are giving away with this dumb free shit
Jun 04 02:40:32 <_genuser_> hey you wanna be friends on facebook?
Jun 04 02:40:33 <_genuser_> lol
Jun 04 02:40:53 <g00s> i dont have Fb, which apparently is a problem also
Jun 04 02:40:55 <_genuser_> you're right, I don't have a personal facebook. I have one for my music. but that's just music stuff. nothing pesonal.
Jun 04 02:41:13 <_genuser_> I figure I need networking for music to be heard so...
Jun 04 02:41:56 <g00s> ron_frown i know less about what linkedIn does. since all the contacts are professionals i hold in high esteem - i'm not worried about that so much
Jun 04 02:42:12 <ron_frown> you hold me in high esteem?!
Jun 04 02:42:31 <ron_frown> you should hear about my previous employer
Jun 04 02:42:32 <_genuser_> the fact taht you hold your colleagues in high-esteem... I'm impressed by your generosity.
Jun 04 02:42:32 <g00s> well, until a few minutes ago when you couldnt get gradle working :D
Jun 04 02:42:42 <ron_frown> oh I have gradle working for new projects
Jun 04 02:42:47 <ron_frown> trying to open or use an existing one
Jun 04 02:42:51 <_genuser_> LOL, gradle brings him down?
Jun 04 02:43:04 <ron_frown> I can be capable of using something and still think its stupid
Jun 04 02:43:07 <ron_frown> its the java way
Jun 04 02:43:14 <ron_frown> inventing tools for problems that dont really exist
Jun 04 02:43:19 <ron_frown> or invent a problem for a solution
Jun 04 02:43:23 <_genuser_> ron_frown++
Jun 04 02:43:36 <_genuser_> like interfaces.
Jun 04 02:43:39 <ron_frown> what
Jun 04 02:43:43 <g00s> what
Jun 04 02:43:45 <ron_frown> haha
Jun 04 02:43:50 <ron_frown> interfaces make perfect sense
Jun 04 02:44:03 <ron_frown> and I'm not totally against build services / package management
Jun 04 02:44:09 <ron_frown> but it seems like gradle does both badly
Jun 04 02:44:09 <_genuser_> instead of adding properly event handlers they started the trend of create an interface, implement it and pass a reference to me.
Jun 04 02:44:15 <ron_frown> and then take on incredibly slow
Jun 04 02:44:17 <ron_frown> and resource intensive
Jun 04 02:44:19 <_genuser_> why should a publisher hold a reference to a listener.
Jun 04 02:44:33 <ron_frown> oh
Jun 04 02:44:39 <ron_frown> how java usese interfaces
Jun 04 02:44:44 <_genuser_> yeah, otherwise, interface used to have a purpose.
Jun 04 02:44:49 <_genuser_> before java murdered that purpose.
Jun 04 02:44:50 <ron_frown> interfcaces themselves arent bad
Jun 04 02:44:55 <_genuser_> right right.
Jun 04 02:44:57 <ron_frown> java couldnt handle x, y, z
Jun 04 02:45:05 <ron_frown> and so they bent it over backwards with no lube
Jun 04 02:45:33 <_genuser_> at least, I'm used to it by now so I don't get confused when looking at android code.
Jun 04 02:45:50 <ron_frown> part of its shit and part of it is genius
Jun 04 02:46:07 <_genuser_> it=android? or java?
Jun 04 02:46:27 <ron_frown> no lambdas or anonymous methods so let you implement an interface on the fly
Jun 04 02:47:55 <_genuser_> I've kinda lost focus on my app lately. I upgrade my s4 to lollipop and encrypted it.
Jun 04 02:48:10 <_genuser_> runtimes have shot thru the roof. 2seconds pre-screwup, 12 seconds now.
Jun 04 02:48:40 <_genuser_> now, I'm scambling to add optimizations so the same hardware can actually do some work instead of focus on telling googling more of our personal information.
Jun 04 02:48:51 <_genuser_> *google
Jun 04 02:51:27 <pfn> g00s, operative word: could
Jun 04 02:51:32 <pfn> it doesn't
Jun 04 02:51:44 <ron_frown> I was dissapointed with this years io
Jun 04 02:58:23 <g00s> this is a good read http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/29/big-data-purchase-history-charge-you-more-money
Jun 04 02:59:20 <_genuser_> interesting.
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