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Jun 12 03:04:39 <rrr> is there "Run without build" button in Android Studio?
Jun 12 03:07:46 <rrr> "This version of the rendering library is more recent than your version of Android Studio. Please update Android Studio (Details)" <== this AS is already the latest stable version. do you force me to use the canary version of AS?
Jun 12 03:19:01 <DreamCoder> Yes, you can just make a new run configuration and take out the 'make'
Jun 12 04:06:24 <g00s> anything new and cool in android land today ?
Jun 12 04:07:26 <squ> I started reading rxjava tutorial yesterday
Jun 12 04:07:31 <g00s> nice :)
Jun 12 04:07:43 <g00s> looks like google put up a phone picker https://www.android.com/phones/whichphone/
Jun 12 04:07:45 <squ> hard to say
Jun 12 04:08:02 <squ> still can't understand why
Jun 12 04:08:24 <NateRiver> do you ever write you data to notepad .txt? ive found after a good distance of horizontal it automatically wraps to the next line.. even though word wrap is disabled. which sucks because my data is longer parsebale
Jun 12 04:08:34 <NateRiver> no longer*
Jun 12 04:09:11 <g00s> sounds like you have soft/hard line wraps enabled ?
Jun 12 04:09:17 <squ> if you can't use notepad, what can we advice to you?
Jun 12 04:09:17 <g00s> don't use notepad :)
Jun 12 04:09:41 <g00s> this was pretty good read http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/09/google-privacy-apple-android-lockheimer-security-app-ops
Jun 12 04:09:49 <NateRiver> its just weird, i thought the horizontals were suppose to go on forever
Jun 12 04:09:59 <g00s> not if you have margins
Jun 12 04:10:32 <squ> hey g00s, “Why it took us so long to match Apple” — isn't it what I was telling you ? :)
Jun 12 04:10:47 <NateRiver> i dont, its a pretty plain .txt it already goes well beyond the windows width*5 but eventually wraps -.-
Jun 12 04:10:50 <squ> but still it lags behind couple of years
Jun 12 04:10:59 <g00s> squ there was a link in there that was very fascinating http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/20/android-apps-permission-app-ops
Jun 12 04:11:15 <squ> ye
Jun 12 04:11:16 <g00s> seemed like burke and hackborne were not agreeing on stuff
Jun 12 04:11:25 <squ> the guardians think alike :)
Jun 12 04:11:43 <squ> “why has it fallen so far behind Apple's iOS ?”
Jun 12 04:12:06 <squ> g00s: you have to try the xcode, obligatory, at least just try :)
Jun 12 04:12:14 <NateRiver> i guess i have sublime 3, which can open a .txt
Jun 12 04:12:28 <g00s> now with their st3 is nice
Jun 12 04:12:33 <g00s> oops
Jun 12 04:12:47 <g00s> NateRiver ST3 is nice
Jun 12 04:13:10 <g00s> i have to try atom again
Jun 12 04:13:56 <rrr> DreamCoder: thx. why doesn't AS make that configuration(without make) as default?
Jun 12 04:15:21 <NateRiver> g00s i have it but i never used it, it looks like evern though it wraps the line number dosent increase. thats cool
Jun 12 04:25:21 <g00s> "BlackBerry may put Android system on new device"
Jun 12 04:25:55 <g00s> hmm. i guess it could make sense if they put their special enterprise prvisioning stuff on there O.o
Jun 12 04:27:07 <NateRiver> I saw a book at the bookstore called the rise and fall of blackberry, so im assuming they were destroyed?
Jun 12 04:27:44 <g00s> iOS destroyed them
Jun 12 04:28:35 <g00s> last i heard they were picoting to using QNX in embedded medical
Jun 12 04:28:39 <g00s> *pivoting
Jun 12 04:28:58 <g00s> at least at the time, QNX was the cats meow
Jun 12 04:29:35 <Leeds> they should have abandoned BB10 before it launched, and gone to being *the* enterprise Android vendor
Jun 12 04:30:11 <NateRiver> they just never liked the touch screen idea
Jun 12 04:30:33 <Leeds> they could still have had keyboard phones
Jun 12 04:31:42 <g00s> Leeds yeah, maybe. although iOS seems to beat android in enterprise adoption quite easily
Jun 12 04:32:02 <g00s> te world just changed , BB wasn't ready
Jun 12 04:34:06 <Leeds> firstly, a tiny sliver of the Android market would have been massively bigger than the entire BB10 market
Jun 12 04:34:27 <Leeds> secondly... maybe a BB/Android combo would have beaten iOS in the enterprise?
Jun 12 04:38:06 <g00s> i seem to run into this a lot in kitkat ... pressing the back button doesn't do anything
Jun 12 04:38:43 <g00s> when i'm at the root activity, back should exit the app. usually it does. but sometimes it just doesn't (like in Play)
Jun 12 04:39:34 <g00s> swipe away Play, start it again
Jun 12 04:39:40 <g00s> back work again. weird
Jun 12 04:44:46 <mdeboard> I broke down and bought a couple iOS devices tonight
Jun 12 04:44:54 <mdeboard> then bought Apple Dev Program membership
Jun 12 04:45:35 <mdeboard> I dunno why I live tweet my life re: development in here, sorry.
Jun 12 04:47:31 <bankai_> robovm!
Jun 12 04:49:13 <g00s> mdeboard i'm looking forward to the ipad pro (12"). i'll either get that or a surface
Jun 12 04:49:59 <g00s> korg has some cool software for iOS i'd like to try http://www.korg.com/us/products/software/korg_im1_for_ipad/
Jun 12 04:50:04 <DreamCoder> I hear iOS is finally adopting true multitasking...where you can now view and interact with two apps at the same time. Android has had that for a while now. So it really is back and forth...sometimes Android lifts ideas from iOS, and sometimes iOS lifts their features from android :)
Jun 12 04:50:54 <g00s> DreamCoder to enable multitasking they just have to flip a bit
Jun 12 04:51:18 <g00s> its mach underneath like osx
Jun 12 04:52:05 <g00s> but yeah, they decided against it for a while - but beside some article i'm not sure what their new split window amounts to
Jun 12 04:52:15 <CedricBeust> DreamCoder: Pretty obvious to me there is much more innovation happening on the Android side than iOS, and it's been accelerating these past years
Jun 12 04:53:15 <g00s> 5.0 mostly gave us material. MNC mostly gives us permissions (which iOS had). not really sure Android is going fast either
Jun 12 04:53:38 <g00s> actually they both seem kinda stuck in a rut
Jun 12 04:54:19 <CedricBeust> NFC, wireless charging, so many features that iOS still doesn't have
Jun 12 04:54:26 <g00s> iOS has had multipath tcp, mature ble - in some ways they are ahead, in other ways android is i guess
Jun 12 04:54:41 <CedricBeust> Apple is even playing catch up with Microsoft in the OS department, copying features that appeared in Windows 7 in 1989
Jun 12 04:55:10 <g00s> CedricBeust i have been dissapointed with Apple wrt security
Jun 12 04:55:16 <g00s> OS X security
Jun 12 04:55:36 <g00s> i get the impression windows is a much hardier platform (although attacked more often)
Jun 12 04:55:36 <DreamCoder> @CedricBeust yes, I agree wholeheartedly
Jun 12 04:55:53 <g00s> and OS X has that super crappy filesystem HFS+
Jun 12 04:55:56 <DreamCoder> How do you mention someone in IRC? I'm fairly new to it
Jun 12 04:56:26 <g00s> by now NTFS isn't too shabby, but definitely more reliable than HFS
Jun 12 04:56:44 <g00s> NTFS used to be so damn slow
Jun 12 04:57:06 <bankai_> DreamCoder: start typing their nick and hit tab
Jun 12 04:58:06 <DreamCoder> bankai_: Ahhh...ok. thanks!
Jun 12 04:58:44 <g00s> i think iOS full disk encryption is still ahead of android
Jun 12 04:58:57 <g00s> so yeah, not an obvious win on either side imho
Jun 12 04:59:38 <DreamCoder> g00s: android has full disk encryption
Jun 12 04:59:50 <DreamCoder> it used to be optional, now it's the default
Jun 12 04:59:50 <g00s> DreamCoder sure does, but has issues
Jun 12 05:00:12 <DreamCoder> g00s: Ah, ok... I haven't ran into any issues with it yet.
Jun 12 05:00:17 <g00s> it was enabled by default on the nexus, but not any more
Jun 12 05:00:19 <CedricBeust> Amazing to me that today, you still need to write to core data on the main thread
Jun 12 05:00:49 <DreamCoder> CedricBeust: What do you mean?
Jun 12 05:01:55 <CedricBeust> What I just said, Core Data operations need to be done on the main thread
Jun 12 05:02:22 <g00s> and lets not forget, the reason why iOS has such strong enterprise adoption was google took *forever* to incorporate those features in "Android for Work"
Jun 12 05:02:56 <g00s> so that means 13% android devices are enterprise friendly, since that came with 5.0
Jun 12 05:03:17 <DreamCoder> Apple also did a huge drive to get businesses and educational institutions using their product
Jun 12 05:03:41 <bankai_> i saw they teamed up with square for their apple pay thingy ma bob
Jun 12 05:04:01 <DreamCoder> I work for a company that used to make windows tablet software, but one day an Apple rep came to them and showed them an iPad, made them a partner and suddenly no more Windows tablet code!
Jun 12 05:04:33 <DreamCoder> And Apple did a huge program to outfit schools with Macs and iPads...
Jun 12 05:05:01 <g00s> DreamCoder i've heard some negative things about the iPads in school stuff ...
Jun 12 05:05:40 <CedricBeust> Apple is just repeating history since it worked out well for the Apple ][ and Mac
Jun 12 05:05:46 <g00s> some districts have wanted to sell back their ipads
Jun 12 05:06:09 <CedricBeust> Yes, the school program hasn't worked as well as it did for the Apple ][ and Mac
Jun 12 05:07:13 <g00s> this was april http://fortune.com/2015/04/16/la-schools-ipads-apple-pearson/
Jun 12 05:07:29 <Leeds> the LA thing is a huge corrupt mess
Jun 12 05:07:32 <g00s> not sure where the lawsuit is, not following it
Jun 12 05:07:57 <CedricBeust> Also http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/8/8749005/apple-wwdc-catch-up
Jun 12 05:08:29 <DreamCoder> g00s: Whoa...that's crazy
Jun 12 05:08:31 <g00s> yeah this year was boring, i wonder if they are running out of ideas now that steve is gone
Jun 12 05:09:48 <Leeds> I think part of it is that these projects massively underestimate the cost and time involved in developing educational software, additional materials, training for teachers, getting it past the unions and local politicians/PTAs etc. etc.
Jun 12 05:10:07 <Leeds> the cost is not in providing hardware
Jun 12 05:10:41 <g00s> Leeds yeah - and not being any expert in educational sw - i'm quite skeptical about the whole genre atm. although, i think VR will change all of that
Jun 12 05:10:57 <g00s> like for example, that I/O VR thing where the class went 'on a trip'
Jun 12 05:10:58 <Leeds> I have a tiny bit of very old experience... it's not easy
Jun 12 05:11:12 <Leeds> g00s: you must have seen my Simpsons youtube clip, right?
Jun 12 05:11:22 <g00s> Leeds give it to me again :D
Jun 12 05:11:53 <Leeds> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1_bp8YKUPU
Jun 12 05:12:15 <g00s> i think i read somewhere that - at least in college - students preferred real books
Jun 12 05:12:26 <g00s> marking, highlighting, whatever
Jun 12 05:12:32 <Leeds> reselling
Jun 12 05:12:56 <t2mkn> hello all
Jun 12 05:13:07 <g00s> Leeds haha, yup thats good
Jun 12 05:13:40 <g00s> Leeds when they can, at least in the US college texts are a huge scam itself :(
Jun 12 05:13:57 <g00s> so you are lucky if you can sell yours
Jun 12 05:14:44 <Leeds> g00s: it actually freaks me out slightly how prescient the Simpsons has been, occasionally
Jun 12 05:14:57 <g00s> you just have to be a cynical bastard
Jun 12 05:15:06 <g00s> and poof, magically prescient
Jun 12 05:16:14 <DreamCoder> I love printed textbooks
Jun 12 05:17:18 <Leeds> I've still got one of mine on the shelf back at my parents' place... maybe it wasn't such a big deal in the UK, back in the day
Jun 12 05:17:23 <g00s> thats a pretty fascinating debate (to me) : ebooks vs printed books. i had to go ebook because of space savings, but yeah ... seems like physical books have some special quality
Jun 12 05:17:31 <t2mkn> listview with custom adapter, on using setOnClickListener to retured view, disables the default click and long press behaviour of listview. any suggestion how to not let the default behaviour go away?
Jun 12 05:17:37 <Leeds> given that it's an Ada book, I can't see it being worth much :D
Jun 12 05:21:32 <DreamCoder> I'm taking off...have a goodnight everyone!
Jun 12 05:22:10 <squ> bye
Jun 12 05:22:14 <squ> :)
Jun 12 05:23:12 <squ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lida
Jun 12 05:27:18 <g00s> wohhoo, i like seeing oracle suffer http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-11/oracle-sales-eroded-as-startups-embrace-souped-up-free-software
Jun 12 05:31:09 <squ> “A lot of the startups now go with MySQL or less expensive options,” said David Wolff, the CEO of Database Specialists, a database consultancy. “The only thing that people complain about with Oracle is how much it costs.”
Jun 12 05:32:29 <squ> if android will catch up with the quality of ios, will it match this mysql-oracle situation?
Jun 12 05:32:41 <squ> probably yes
Jun 12 05:35:12 <hahahehehehoho> Yo, I did the fragment yesterday evening. ha ha ha ha
Jun 12 05:35:50 <Ashiren> good for you
Jun 12 05:35:51 <squ> :)
Jun 12 05:36:10 <squ> hahahehehehoho: now try RxJava
Jun 12 05:37:56 <hahahehehehoho> doubt those guys who told me to use fragment are still here. cannot remember their nicks. my benefactors. XD
Jun 12 05:38:19 <Ologn> g00s: I own http://hurdcatz.com
Jun 12 05:38:22 <desmin88> i can help
Jun 12 05:38:32 <Ologn> I point it to MariaDB.org of course
Jun 12 05:39:01 <CedricBeust> People have been saying that Oracle was going to go bankrupt because of MySQL since the early 2000s. Never happened, probably never will. Nothing new.
Jun 12 05:39:05 <g00s> nice Ologn
Jun 12 05:39:30 <hahahehehehoho> oh yes, g00s,i think it was you who told me to give up.
Jun 12 05:40:05 <g00s> hahahehehehoho i dont think i helped with that one, i was very confused what you were trying to do :D
Jun 12 05:40:10 <CedricBeust> There are maybe a couple of people total in the industry who say we should move away from fragments. I don't think this should be taken seriously.
Jun 12 05:40:46 <desmin88> I like fragments as a concept
Jun 12 05:40:54 <desmin88> but they can hairy fast
Jun 12 05:40:56 <desmin88> get*
Jun 12 05:41:33 <CedricBeust> Hasn't really been my experience
Jun 12 05:41:50 <CedricBeust> Keep your activities naked, move the logic into fragments, be consistent how fragments and activities communicate.
Jun 12 05:41:53 <CedricBeust> No big deal really
Jun 12 05:42:44 <desmin88> the thing ive had annoyances with is back pressing
Jun 12 05:43:03 <CedricBeust> Yeah
Jun 12 05:43:07 <squ> CedricBeust: why?
Jun 12 05:43:17 <CedricBeust> Why what?
Jun 12 05:43:25 <squ> Kepp … etc
Jun 12 05:43:37 <hahahehehehoho> g00s nvm, i need help with something else though.
Jun 12 05:43:51 <hahahehehehoho> i want to understand how to do interface callbacks.
Jun 12 05:44:08 <squ> hahahehehehoho: http://www.zombo.com
Jun 12 05:44:09 <CedricBeust> If you follow simple rules, the lifecycle remains simple. You don't have to deal with interleaving lifecycles between activities and fragments, you only deal with fragments
Jun 12 05:44:12 <hahahehehehoho> automatic would be nice.
Jun 12 05:44:21 <squ> hahahehehehoho: everything is possibel
Jun 12 05:44:34 <hahahehehehoho> http://www.javaworld.com/article/2077462/learn-java/java-tip-10--implement-callback-routines-in-java.html i am tring to do this but dont understand how the two classes interact
Jun 12 05:44:36 <squ> the only limit is yourself
Jun 12 05:44:45 <g00s> yeah, naked activities. just put stuff in fragments instead. i use activities only if they need to receive intents
Jun 12 05:45:12 <desmin88> the only thing my activity does is handle switching out fragments
Jun 12 05:45:39 <g00s> if you go mvvm , even your fragments start to look bare
Jun 12 05:46:16 <g00s> i think as i've done android, its been constant learning to get as much crap out of the official components as possible
Jun 12 05:46:34 <g00s> (activity, fragment, service, etc)
Jun 12 05:46:46 <g00s> but those damn contexts
Jun 12 05:46:59 <desmin88> Does anyone know if you dont set an icon in a navigationview, will it simply appear like a divider text would, i.e aligned to the left w/o space for an icon?
Jun 12 05:47:26 <desmin88> I have sort of a list of categories that don't have any real icons
Jun 12 05:48:39 <squ> CedricBeust: do you have an example?
Jun 12 05:49:55 * g00s still waiting for CedricBeust 's next blog post :D
Jun 12 05:50:06 <squ> are his posts good?
Jun 12 05:50:12 <g00s> sure
Jun 12 05:50:33 <squ> I found this guy, when searched for rxjava tutorial http://blog.danlew.net/2014/09/15/grokking-rxjava-part-1/
Jun 12 05:50:54 <CedricBeust> Dan's series is a good start
Jun 12 05:51:15 <squ> CedricBeust: you have to chat less and spend more time on the blog
Jun 12 05:51:48 <CedricBeust> squ: Fair point
Jun 12 05:52:20 <g00s> heh
Jun 12 05:52:43 <g00s> squ the couchbase one is good too
Jun 12 05:53:25 <g00s> http://docs.couchbase.com/developer/java-2.0/observables.html
Jun 12 05:53:35 <squ> okey
Jun 12 05:53:38 <squ> thank you
Jun 12 05:54:12 <squ> give something about fragments
Jun 12 05:54:30 <squ> :)
Jun 12 05:55:50 <g00s> squ have you seen this https://github.com/tehmou/rx-android-architecture
Jun 12 05:56:17 <redengin> is there a best practice for managing intents between applications?
Jun 12 05:56:56 <squ> g00s: I'll check these later at Sat/Sun
Jun 12 05:58:17 <squ> error: incompatible types: Set<String> cannot be converted to HashSet<String>
Jun 12 05:59:33 <squ> HashSet<String> myHashSet; Set<String> mySet = myHashSet;
Jun 12 06:07:03 <robhol> Hi. Was wondering if anybody knows of any alternative ways of developing for android? Thinking along the lines of Xamarin, except... not Xamarin. Or if there are any libraries etc. that make the API less painful to deal with?
Jun 12 06:07:42 <g00s> robhol not really ... just use as few apis as you can :P
Jun 12 06:16:23 <Pineguy> hi guys I've got a problem with google cardboard - is it suitable place to ask about it?
Jun 12 06:19:06 <Ashiren> are you developing on it
Jun 12 06:20:29 <Pineguy> The problem is about the hardware - I've got 2 phones - gt-i8190 and i8160. When I run google cardboard app on gt-i8190 it runs good but on i8160 the reaction of accelerometer is slow.
Jun 12 06:22:12 <Pineguy> what is the cause of it?
Jun 12 06:23:18 <Pineguy> I run same app on both, the speed of the rendering is the same, but when I try to move on i8160 its very slow
Jun 12 06:24:59 <redengin> is there a way to get  the manifest data of a service in java?
Jun 12 06:25:32 <redengin> i.e. upon instantiated the service class, check it's manifest parameters
Jun 12 06:28:13 <desmin88> Has anyone dynamically removed a navigation item from a navigationview>?
Jun 12 06:29:01 <redengin> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/meta-data-element.html  I don't seem to have a reference to PackageItemInfo
Jun 12 06:29:15 <desmin88> Context: Removing a navigation item based on status of an IAP
Jun 12 06:39:55 <desmin88> Well it does work
Jun 12 06:40:34 <desmin88> NavigationView is pretty nifty.
Jun 12 06:44:06 <desmin88> Although, there is no way to tell the navigationview to 'select' an item
Jun 12 06:44:58 <g00s> desmin88 so when you need to recreate the activty (saviedInstanceState) how do you get everything selected / back to where it was before ?
Jun 12 06:45:59 <desmin88> If there is no state I select the appropriate item, otherwise I handle toolbar subtitle state and the fragment is retained
Jun 12 06:48:21 <desmin88> My workaround was to save the reference to my onnavitemselected listener and just call it manually on my index 0 item
Jun 12 06:48:53 <burndata> whoo hoo!  praying for some androidTV users are kicking around
Jun 12 06:49:33 <desmin88> Although it does have the checked item bug
Jun 12 07:01:33 <redengin> is there a way to see a service's manifest intent filter from within the service?
Jun 12 07:02:12 <danijoo> no
Jun 12 07:03:25 <danijoo> intentfilters in service are bad anyways ;)
Jun 12 07:04:18 <redengin> danijoo, I'm trying to query for an intent from an outside app, but I want to make an sdk so that the replier conforms to some constraints
Jun 12 07:04:54 <danijoo> redengin, doesnt this service has a documentation to get the info you need?
Jun 12 07:04:56 <burndata> been trying to get my game approved for ATV and seems I am having issues
Jun 12 07:05:57 <_rm> anyone know how to include a proguard configuration in an AAR library?
Jun 12 07:06:24 <redengin> danijoo, I'm creating this service, it can have four different types of intent, but I want to validate that the intent matches the intentFilter
Jun 12 07:06:48 <danijoo> _rm, libraries dont run proguard
Jun 12 07:06:56 <burndata> all my tests on the emulators / phones/tablets are all good...just the AndroidTV review team seems to get the game crashing on startup.... hoping someone with a ATV can run a test
Jun 12 07:07:25 <_rm> danijoo: i know, i meant including proguard.txt in the AAR file
Jun 12 07:07:37 <danijoo> redengin, just check for the intent data programmatically. Its bad practice to have service intent filter and for lollipop implizit intents are deprecated
Jun 12 07:07:43 <danijoo> _rm, no
Jun 12 07:07:53 <_rm> so that users don't have to add proguard exceptions and the like themselves
Jun 12 07:08:12 <_rm> danijoo: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/aar-format
Jun 12 07:08:28 <danijoo> how would you know what proguard config the libuser wants
Jun 12 07:08:47 <danijoo> hm..
Jun 12 07:08:52 <redengin> danijoo, what I need is for a controller app to query intents from other apps, those apps can service one or more types of display
Jun 12 07:08:54 <danijoo> interessting. didnt know that :)
Jun 12 07:09:05 <_rm> what? obviously you want to specify exceptions for the library
Jun 12 07:09:07 <danijoo> but the question is.. how does the system recognice this
Jun 12 07:09:28 <_rm> danijoo: no idea, i just noticed it when i was integrating google play services to a project, and they don't list proguard exceptions on the page anymore
Jun 12 07:09:29 <danijoo> _rm, yeah but what if you put -obfuscate in it and my app has -dontobfuscate?
Jun 12 07:09:45 <_rm> Note: ProGuard directives are included in the Play services client libraries to preserve the required classes. The Android Plugin for Gradle automatically appends ProGuard configuration files in an AAR (Android ARchive) package and appends that package to your ProGuard configuration. During project creation, Android Studio automatically creates the ProGuard configuration files and build.gradle properties for ProGuard use. To use ProGuard with Android Studio, you m
Jun 12 07:10:17 <_rm> danijoo: i dunno, honestly, i hope the automation overrides that stuff :)
Jun 12 07:10:20 <danijoo> why do I still have to add tons of proguard config for play services then -_-
Jun 12 07:10:31 <redengin> danijoo, I'm assuming that the only way non running apps can be seen is through the manifest
Jun 12 07:10:31 <danijoo> (and Im still over 65 k limit ^^ )
Jun 12 07:10:48 <_rm> like, i'd assume that they've thought of that stuff, but then again it's proguard and google so who the hell knows
Jun 12 07:10:57 <_rm> (sorry i hate messing with proguard)
Jun 12 07:11:10 <danijoo> yeah me too
Jun 12 07:11:21 <danijoo> its kinda like try and error to get a working proguard config :/
Jun 12 07:11:39 <_rm> it's been an endless source of headaches for both us and our clients
Jun 12 07:11:51 <_rm> for a while we shipped our apps without proguard entirely
Jun 12 07:11:58 <danijoo> and then you always have to figure it out again when you want to add a new lib
Jun 12 07:12:21 * danijoo needs proguard to shrink kotlin runtime 
Jun 12 07:13:33 <danijoo> also you need proguard for samsung toolbar bug
Jun 12 07:13:41 <danijoo> or the app will crash :/
Jun 12 07:14:00 <bubbely> hey... i can't find the class readStream is a part of.. any help? googeld, searched d.android.com also
Jun 12 07:14:10 <_rm> danijoo: wait what
Jun 12 07:14:13 <_rm> what toolbar bug
Jun 12 07:16:27 <danijoo> _rm, the thing that you cant set support version of toolbar as actionbar on some samsung 4.x devices
Jun 12 07:16:44 <danijoo> it will crash unless you repackage some classes of supportlib with proguard
Jun 12 07:17:19 <danijoo> because samsung somehow thought its a good idea to put an old version of support lib INTO their rom which then overrides the one packaged in your app
Jun 12 07:17:47 <cristian_c> hello
Jun 12 07:17:53 <danijoo> _rm, this: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377
Jun 12 07:18:05 <cristian_c> I've created a power toggle widget
Jun 12 07:18:44 <bubbely> ?
Jun 12 07:18:51 <cristian_c> but it appears wrong: http://imagebin.ca/v/24xGiX9O7unQ
Jun 12 07:19:07 <_rm> danijoo: wow
Jun 12 07:19:09 <cristian_c> This the the layout: http://pastebin.com/LUuuGZSp
Jun 12 07:19:16 <cristian_c> What have i to fix?
Jun 12 07:19:18 <cristian_c> Any ideas?
Jun 12 07:21:10 <danijoo> _rm, end of the story: google does not want to change it because its a samsung issue, samsung wont change it because its old devices. And we end with ~ 30% marketshare of crashes if not proguarding :D
Jun 12 07:22:01 <g00s> danijoo minSdk=21 yolo !
Jun 12 07:22:35 <_rm> oh man that'd be nice
Jun 12 07:22:42 <_rm> our minSdk is 15 :(
Jun 12 07:22:45 <danijoo> g00s, cant wait to do that
Jun 12 07:23:00 <danijoo> or min sdk MVC with new permissions :)
Jun 12 07:23:26 <surf2b1> danijoo: so what is the current fix people are using?
Jun 12 07:23:50 <danijoo> surf2b1, repackage the class that causes the crash to have it in another namespace
Jun 12 07:24:20 <surf2b1> danijoo: android.support.v7.internal.view.menu.MenuBuilder ?
Jun 12 07:24:25 <danijoo> yep
Jun 12 07:24:41 <surf2b1> thx. and wow
Jun 12 07:25:00 <g00s> yeah it sucks
Jun 12 07:25:13 <g00s> i basically wouldn't need proguard if those fuckers didn't fuck up
Jun 12 07:25:33 <g00s> and all the headache it brings with the libraries i use
Jun 12 07:26:29 <danijoo> another fix is try {...} catch (NoClassDefFoundError e) { toast("Please dont by samsung devices.") }
Jun 12 07:26:54 <g00s> danijoo submit that patch to google against support lib
Jun 12 07:27:09 <danijoo> ^^
Jun 12 07:28:14 <surf2b1> I think I'll start catching every possible exception and just throw a toast up saying "it worked for me. Your phone just sucks" :P
Jun 12 07:28:53 <_rm> have y'all tried this http://fbinfer.com/
Jun 12 07:30:06 <g00s> it looks like coverity
Jun 12 07:30:22 <g00s> but all these SF hipsters have to keep reinventing shit
Jun 12 07:35:52 <desmin88> have given up on mopub
Jun 12 07:35:55 <desmin88> shits too confusing
Jun 12 07:39:13 <WantToCode> Hey does anyone of you have a code sample for authenticating user on python backend? I am new to oauth and there are so many different ways given even by Google.
Jun 12 07:40:22 <redengin> WantToCode, my experience has been that oAuth has become more and more proprietary
Jun 12 07:41:16 <WantToCode> redengin, didn't get you. I am using google sign-in and want to authenticate user in the backend. Sorry for noobiness.
Jun 12 07:42:00 <redengin> WantToCode, the idea behind oAuth was to be universal, that there could be a shared trust token
Jun 12 07:42:42 <desmin88> mopub is telling me my revenue is 360.39 from admob, admob says 0
Jun 12 07:42:52 <redengin> WantToCode, anymore the trust has gone away.  If you're focusing on a single connection (google) then you should be able to use the google api
Jun 12 07:43:57 <WantToCode> redengin, Yeah I would using only Google sign in. I have implemented the sign in and now also getting the token. But unable to find how to send it to server and authencticate.
Jun 12 07:44:39 <redengin> if you have the token (and the necessary permissions on the token) you should be able to use it on behalf of the user
Jun 12 07:45:46 <chinu> hi , I am making a KIOSK android app for a tablet , I am removing the Title bar and system bar using this root command : service call activity 42 s16 com.android.systemui
Jun 12 07:45:47 <WantToCode> Doesnt the process contain sending this token (from Google) to your server and verifying it?
Jun 12 07:46:21 <chinu> hi , I am making a KIOSK android app for a tablet , I am removing the Title bar and system bar using this root command : service call activity 42 s16 com.android.systemui but whenever this command runs the whole UI refreshes and system is locked in lockscreen mode , How to override that ?
Jun 12 07:56:25 <burndata> any android TV users? need to test out my game
Jun 12 07:58:51 <g00s> seems like android one is failing atm http://recode.net/2015/06/11/beset-with-failures-google-tries-to-breathe-new-life-into-android-one/
Jun 12 08:02:34 <desmin88> What could cause constant phone crashes that result in boot loops? I've changed nothing on my phone
Jun 12 08:03:53 <g00s> possibly bad flash
Jun 12 08:04:12 <desmin88> as in the actual hardware
Jun 12 08:06:51 <cart_man> ^^
Jun 12 08:06:59 <cart_man> desmin88, How old is the phone?
Jun 12 08:07:12 <desmin88> its a droid dna, maybe 1.5 yrs
Jun 12 08:07:24 <cart_man> Remove the SD card
Jun 12 08:07:29 <desmin88> there is none
Jun 12 08:07:36 <cart_man> ahh shit : /
Jun 12 08:08:00 <desmin88> might go and get the sony z3v
Jun 12 08:08:03 <desmin88> only 99c
Jun 12 08:08:14 <cart_man> 99c ...
Jun 12 08:08:20 <cart_man> hmmm is it a cellphone?
Jun 12 08:08:41 <desmin88> yes the droid dna is a cellphone
Jun 12 08:08:54 <cart_man> Yea no I mean the z3v for only 99c?
Jun 12 08:09:03 <desmin88> yes
Jun 12 08:09:04 <cart_man> where are you from though?
Jun 12 08:09:07 <desmin88> usa
Jun 12 08:09:22 <Ribesg> Eh it's funny because
Jun 12 08:09:44 <Ribesg> My gf is currently working on an Android project and his EMULATOR restart all the time
Jun 12 08:09:57 <Ribesg> lel
Jun 12 08:10:22 <Ashiren> gf, his? :o
Jun 12 08:10:32 <Ribesg> I'm French
Jun 12 08:10:40 <Ribesg> I'm born with broken english
Jun 12 08:10:42 <Ribesg> :P
Jun 12 08:10:53 <Ashiren> i know only omelette du fromage :v
Jun 12 08:11:00 <Ribesg> Yeah and that's wrong
Jun 12 08:11:07 <Ribesg> It's omelette au fromage
Jun 12 08:11:07 <Ashiren> dexter is never wrong
Jun 12 08:11:14 <Ribesg> AU
Jun 12 08:11:55 <squ> kruosan
Jun 12 08:12:14 <Ribesg> I don't know how you can translate "omelette du fromage"
Jun 12 08:12:37 <Ribesg> "omelette of Cheese"
Jun 12 08:12:42 <Ribesg> Where Cheese would be the name of someone
Jun 12 08:12:43 <Ribesg> lol
Jun 12 08:13:02 <squ> do you know Kruosan?
Jun 12 08:13:07 <Ribesg> Nope
Jun 12 08:13:14 <squ> you are not french
Jun 12 08:13:28 <Ribesg> I am
Jun 12 08:13:33 <Ribesg> I have no idea what Kruosan is
Jun 12 08:14:27 <desmin88> wait wtf, i think my power button is like stuck or something
Jun 12 08:14:48 <Ribesg> desmin88, lol, that happend to my laptop
Jun 12 08:15:00 <Ribesg> It's a cool bug
Jun 12 08:15:09 <Ribesg> Because it measn your device is not entirely broken
Jun 12 08:15:12 <Ashiren> thats how my brain works at work
Jun 12 08:15:52 <squ> Ribesg: http://img3.ask.fm/assets/194/827/004/normal/1297193386_128.jpg
Jun 12 08:16:06 <Ribesg> squ, OMG
Jun 12 08:16:08 <Ribesg> REALLY
Jun 12 08:16:11 <Ribesg> DID YOU MEAN CROISSANT
Jun 12 08:16:20 <Ribesg> omg "kruosan"
Jun 12 08:16:35 <squ> http://naelis.ru/foto/kruosan.jpg
Jun 12 08:16:38 <squ> read link ^
Jun 12 08:16:46 <squ> k-r-u-o-s-a-n
Jun 12 08:16:53 <Ribesg> squ, this one isn't a croissant
Jun 12 08:17:04 <squ> http://kdinastia.ru/file/kdinastia_ru/sloenoe/kruosan_s.jpg
Jun 12 08:17:05 <Ribesg> Or maybe an american croissant, where every food sucks
Jun 12 08:17:09 <squ> "kruosan_s"
Jun 12 08:17:20 <Ribesg> squ, not croissant either
Jun 12 08:17:22 <squ> thank you, I already know you are not real French
Jun 12 08:17:37 <Ribesg> https://www.google.com/search?q=croissant
Jun 12 08:17:39 <squ> each french know what kruosan is
Jun 12 08:17:47 <Ribesg> Nobody knows what that is here
Jun 12 08:17:57 <squ> you just pretend you are french
Jun 12 08:18:01 <squ> noob
Jun 12 08:18:37 <Ribesg> Well I'm born in Saint-Nazaire, lived in Albertville for around 15 years and now live in Grenoble where I work for HP France
Jun 12 08:18:52 <squ> yes yes
Jun 12 08:18:53 <Ribesg> And my French is perfect
Jun 12 08:18:56 <squ> sure
Jun 12 08:19:07 <Ribesg> But I had a good laugh, thanks
Jun 12 08:19:17 <Ribesg> Haha kruosan
Jun 12 08:19:24 <squ> :P
Jun 12 08:19:30 <Ribesg> I'm not sure you could write it MORE wrong than that :P
Jun 12 08:19:49 <squ> I gave you couple of links with that writing
Jun 12 08:20:09 <Ribesg> Pretty sure some countries tried and failed to write it
Jun 12 08:20:12 <squ> it is written so everywhere in bakeries and shops
Jun 12 08:20:22 <Ribesg> Or maybe it's for citizen to be better able to pronounce it
Jun 12 08:21:44 <Ribesg> Haha I'm gonna share that writing with everyone everywhere
Jun 12 08:21:50 <Ribesg> KRUOSAN
Jun 12 08:27:14 <chrisaardal> Anyone of you have got the error "Error: Cause: peer no authenticated" before?
Jun 12 08:27:24 <chrisaardal> cant sync my project...
Jun 12 08:29:15 <chrisaardal> classpath 'com.android.tools.build:gradle:1.2.3' is the right one yea?
Jun 12 08:35:17 <chrisaardal> no 1?
Jun 12 08:42:44 <chrisaardal> any suggestions? "Error:Cause: peer not authenticated" when syncing with gradle
Jun 12 08:56:09 <Troffel> anyway to hook into the 'free scroll'-animation that happens when it continues to scroll after the touch event is over?
Jun 12 08:58:30 <kibibyte> hi
Jun 12 08:58:45 <kibibyte> whats the wifi network settings activity name
Jun 12 08:58:47 <kibibyte> ?
Jun 12 08:59:29 <kibibyte> im using some cordova plugin which runs app and needs that param navigator.startApp.start("com.application.name",
Jun 12 08:59:36 <kibibyte> i want start wifi settings
Jun 12 08:59:49 <Leeds> yay, cordova! meh...
Jun 12 08:59:59 <Ashiren> Settings.ACTION_WIFI_SETTINGS
Jun 12 09:00:23 <kibibyte> Ashiren, and it resovles to what
Jun 12 09:00:36 <Ashiren> android.settings.WIFI_SETTINGS
Jun 12 09:01:03 <hahahehehehoho> i feel shameless doing this. But I am almost there... just a few more steps.
Jun 12 09:01:19 <kibibyte> Ashiren, but i need to pass there some package name i think
Jun 12 09:01:30 <kibibyte> navigator.startApp.start("com.application.name",
Jun 12 09:01:53 <kibibyte> Ashiren, im using this https://github.com/lampaa/com.lampa.startapp
Jun 12 09:02:16 <Ashiren> try com.android.settings
Jun 12 09:02:22 <kibibyte> ok
Jun 12 09:02:29 <Ashiren> but it might be not the same on all devices https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15922811/how-to-find-the-package-name-of-default-settings-application
Jun 12 09:02:48 <Ashiren> and i dont know how to find the package
Jun 12 09:08:40 <chrisaardal> no one experienced this "Error:Cause: peer not authenticated"
Jun 12 09:14:03 <StErMi> Hi guys, can you please suggest me a good lib to recognize QRCode and BarCode?
Jun 12 09:15:09 <Ashiren> zbar
Jun 12 09:20:12 <StErMi> Ashiren, can you please point me to an Android Lib for zbar?
Jun 12 09:21:36 <hahahehehehoho> @Tomski, are you conversant with perspective camera stuff also?
Jun 12 09:25:57 <WantToCode> StErMi, you can try this too https://github.com/zxing/zxing
Jun 12 09:27:25 <hahahehehehoho> btw, libgdx doesn't resume after I put the phone to sleep.
Jun 12 09:28:04 <Ashiren> StErMi: https://github.com/dm77/barcodescanner
Jun 12 09:28:22 <StErMi> Ashiren, I was looking at it, I think that I will use it
Jun 12 09:28:33 <StErMi> it seems to have the best approach and personalization
Jun 12 09:34:14 <squ> is it normal to click away for funny parrot video while watching android DevBytes
Jun 12 09:34:48 <Troffel> is it possible to listen to a scroll event on a fling gesture? If I want a callback everytime the fling scrolls a pixel
Jun 12 09:41:41 <Siamaster> Hi, I've decided to publish an alpha version of my application so that it can be tested among my friends
Jun 12 09:41:59 <Siamaster> is it bad to publish it to google play for this purpose?
Jun 12 09:42:48 <Leeds> if it's for a small test group, you should either publish it as a beta, or just sideload it
Jun 12 09:43:35 <Siamaster> it's too hard for my friends to sideload
Jun 12 09:43:51 <Leeds> really?
Jun 12 09:44:01 <Siamaster> but it wouldn't be bad to publish as alpha/beta on google play then?
Jun 12 09:44:27 <Leeds> do you know what I mean by publish as a beta?
Jun 12 09:44:30 <Siamaster> I mean, if someone just decides to download it and give me bad reviews based on this version, that's bad
Jun 12 09:44:33 <Siamaster> no?
Jun 12 09:45:00 <Leeds> https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/3131213?hl=en
Jun 12 09:45:10 <Siamaster> thanks!
Jun 12 09:59:59 <chrisaardal> Anyone of you got the "Error:Cause: peer not authenticated" error when syncing with gradle? I cant build my project anymore. All the help would be appreciated
Jun 12 10:02:03 <Leeds> chrisaardal: presumably you've Binged for a solution?
Jun 12 10:02:55 <chrisaardal> Googled atleast. Tried the common fixes like changing wrapper-properties to http instead of https etc
Jun 12 10:03:07 <chrisaardal> worked fine yesterday before i went to bed.
Jun 12 10:03:09 <chrisaardal> I dont get it
Jun 12 10:09:34 <chrisaardal> AHHHH IT WORKS!!
Jun 12 10:09:38 <chrisaardal> IM SO HAPPY
Jun 12 10:12:56 <squ> what do you think about this: https://material-design.storage.googleapis.com/publish/material_v_4/material_ext_publish/0B3mOPoJlxiFhazJZa2VmSU5ldTQ/components_datatables_interaction_editing4.png
Jun 12 10:13:43 <squ> how do you place edit and delete buttons for listview rows?
Jun 12 10:13:57 <squ> do you delete them in another acitivty?
Jun 12 10:14:20 <squ> toolbar action item?
Jun 12 10:31:53 <luci1093> guys, is there any way of overriding the bindView() in SimpleCursorAdapter without making a sepratate class that extends it?
Jun 12 10:36:16 <Napalm> luci1093: yes
Jun 12 10:37:41 <Napalm> luci1093: yourCursor.setViewBinder(new SimpleCursorAdapter.ViewBinder(){ boolean	setViewValue(View view, Cursor cursor, int columnIndex){ /* your cdoe */ return true; } });
Jun 12 10:38:07 <luci1093> omg, you can do it that way?
Jun 12 10:38:10 <luci1093> omg thanks , love you
Jun 12 10:38:13 <luci1093> >.<
Jun 12 10:39:58 <mflow> How do I append a path segment which is a number to a Uri ?
Jun 12 10:40:46 <mflow> I have added two URI to a UriMatcher , one of them takes a users/# and the other takes a users/*
Jun 12 10:40:49 <robhol> Are there any "wrappers" for the android API? Java isn't a stunningly flexible language, but the android API doesn't even leverage the features it does have. Even something simple like enums :p
Jun 12 10:40:52 <mflow> I want to query by id and email
Jun 12 10:41:21 <mflow> but the getContentResolver().query and Uri take String as input
Jun 12 10:41:50 <robhol> cast the number to a string then?
Jun 12 10:42:16 <mflow> the matching is done by Android not by me
Jun 12 10:42:19 <mflow> I can't do that
Jun 12 10:42:58 <robhol> then I don't understand the question :p
Jun 12 10:43:03 <mflow> the content resolver needs to know that if I pass a number it should pick the users/# uriMatcher but how do I pass it a number?
Jun 12 10:43:39 <mflow> cause it only takes String and I'll choose the users/*
Jun 12 10:45:46 <robhol> I'm not familiar with the API. If you can't give the number one a higher precedence, I'd say you're SOL
Jun 12 10:47:07 <luci1093> Napalm, but can I hide views in the setViewValue? I'm trying to hide some textviews I don't need at the moment and it seems it crashes :S
Jun 12 10:47:31 <Napalm> yes you can.. how are you hiding them
Jun 12 10:47:42 <Napalm> and pastebin your stack trace :P
Jun 12 10:47:57 <luci1093> well when I did it in that class it worked and when I did it here it didnt :|
Jun 12 10:48:07 <luci1093> I get nullpointerexception
Jun 12 10:48:15 <luci1093> lemme pasebin the code a sec
Jun 12 10:48:35 <AppDevNL> is there anyone in this channel right now that has an app in the Play Store which is either paid or has in-app purchases?
Jun 12 10:48:52 <luci1093> http://pastebin.com/md497LTJ
Jun 12 10:48:53 <mflow> robhol, I found a way. If I don't provide "selection" and "selectionArgs" to the query of the content resolver it'll pick the users/# (query by user id) uriMatcher if I do it pick the users/* (query by user email)
Jun 12 10:48:59 <luci1093> I'm most likely doing something wrong :S
Jun 12 10:50:49 <AppDevNL> anyone?
Jun 12 10:50:54 <luci1093> i'm getting an nullpointerexpetion on grams.setVisibility(View.GONE); so I'm guessing the grams textview is returning null?
Jun 12 10:51:28 <mflow> clearly
Jun 12 10:58:46 <luci1093> Napalm, I can't even breakpoint in it, it seems like the app skips on it ... idk >.>
Jun 12 11:06:24 <AppDevNL> please, is there anyone in this channel right now that has an app in the Play Store which is either paid or has in-app purchases?
Jun 12 11:07:00 <_rm> we have in-app purchases, but not using google's payment system, sorry
Jun 12 11:07:31 <luci1093> can someone help me hide some textviews in a custom ViewBinder? it seems like it doesn't work when I do it the way I'd do it in another class where I extend viewBinder() ... -_-
Jun 12 11:08:39 <AppDevNL> _rm, so you also don´t use the merchant center?
Jun 12 11:08:59 <_rm> AppDevNL: i don't know what that is, so i guess not :)
Jun 12 11:09:28 <AppDevNL> _rm, okay, thanks for your time though
Jun 12 11:10:58 <luci1093> I'm trying to hide some textviews in a custom Viewbinder, can someonetell me what I'm doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/paTvMy1V ... I'm getting a null pointer exception at grams.setVisibility(View.GONE); so grams is returnning null? ... can someone tell me what am I doing wrong? :|
Jun 12 11:12:44 <robhol> Not returning null, is null.
Jun 12 11:14:25 <AppDevNL> luci1093, I´m just guessing, but maybe the ID is not assigned (correctly) to the TextView?
Jun 12 11:15:36 <luci1093> well I did an inner class which extends SimpleCursorAdapter and I've overriden the bindView() method and when I added that same code there and used that class it worked ... it doesn't seem to work here
Jun 12 11:15:53 <AppDevNL> luci1093, could it perhaps be that your class is overriding the ID somewhere with a hardcoded value?
Jun 12 11:19:30 <luci1093> AppDevNL, not sure what you're trying to say. idk something strange is happenning, like for example I tried to set a breakpoint around there to see if the textviews return null but the app crashes directly, like it just skips that portion of the code o.o
Jun 12 11:19:49 <AppDevNL> sorry, I misread your question apparently.
Jun 12 11:20:30 <AppDevNL> luci1093, are you using logcat?
Jun 12 11:20:43 <luci1093> of course
Jun 12 11:21:16 <AppDevNL> luci1093, but then you could post a debug line to your logcat, can you not?
Jun 12 11:21:53 <luci1093> I'm doing this right now, just a sec to complile (shitty pc ...)
Jun 12 11:24:13 <Napalm> hey
Jun 12 11:24:16 <Napalm> sorry luci1093
Jun 12 11:24:26 <Napalm> i had a live issue to deal with
Jun 12 11:24:36 <luci1093> this is what the error looks like http://pastebin.com/N32jx2Za
Jun 12 11:24:57 <luci1093> Napalm, no problem, I figured you're busy that's why I asked again :)
Jun 12 11:25:05 <Napalm> we'll isnt it obvious?
Jun 12 11:26:04 <luci1093> well it is .. but like I've said I tried putting a breakpoint there to see if they really return null but it seems like that portion of the code is just skipped and the app instantly crashes
Jun 12 11:26:09 <AppDevNL> sure, the message is obvious, the solution isn´t
Jun 12 11:26:17 <Napalm> luci1093: http://pastebin.com/Fe3PWrn4
Jun 12 11:27:16 <luci1093> hm, lemme try it really quick
Jun 12 11:28:20 <AppDevNL> depends on what the calling element is, but I can´t see it as it isn´t in the pastebin messages
Jun 12 11:31:11 <luci1093> well Napalm it seems that is partially workig. I mean some strange things happen but I got how I'm supposed to do it, thanks xD
Jun 12 11:32:21 <AppDevNL> couldn´t you use Log.d() in that method to verify what the view (or any other variable) is?
Jun 12 11:32:29 <Napalm> the view id will still need to be in your constructor for your simplecursoradapter
Jun 12 11:34:51 <AppDevNL> what would be the correct channel for asking billing related questions?
Jun 12 11:35:27 <surf2b1> AppDevNL: #doesnotexist
Jun 12 11:36:12 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, not even from a developer´s point of view?
Jun 12 11:36:28 <surf2b1> I guess here would be the best place
Jun 12 11:37:14 <AppDevNL> right, but I tried that and no one seems to be able to answer my question
Jun 12 11:37:29 <AppDevNL> so I was just wondering if this is indeed the correct channel
Jun 12 11:38:12 <surf2b1> AppDevNL: what is the question?
Jun 12 11:38:56 <AppDevNL> I´m looking for someone that has either a paid app or in-app purchases and is willing to help me
Jun 12 11:38:56 <surf2b1> I have both paid and in-app purchases on the Play Store.
Jun 12 11:39:24 <surf2b1> help you with what?
Jun 12 11:39:26 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, but are you willing to help me out?
Jun 12 11:39:48 <surf2b1> I don't know what you need help with, so I can't answer that. :)
Jun 12 11:40:41 <adq> don't ask to ask, just ask, if no one answer it's either nobody knows, or someone who knows not here or don't want to answer
Jun 12 11:41:20 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, I would like to know how the billing system works. Like, do they send emails?
Jun 12 11:43:04 <surf2b1> From my experience they send an email to the user every time a user purchases an app or consumes an IAP. Have you read the docs? They should cover the basics.
Jun 12 11:43:48 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, okay, but what information does the email contain?
Jun 12 11:44:24 <SpaghettiCat> Hello friends, I have some methods that work in an Activity sub-class, but don't work in a regular class because they require `Context`. Here is the code in a regular class: http://pastie.org/10237113#17,25-26 . Is it better to A) Pass the Context from an Activity sub-class to the constructor of CardGraphic() . B) Take the context-requiring code and put it in a CardGraphicFactory() in the Activity sub-class?
Jun 12 11:44:35 <surf2b1> AppDevNL: Haven't looked at one in awhile. Let me see if I can find one.
Jun 12 11:45:13 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, okay, thanks
Jun 12 11:48:35 <surf2b1> AppDevNL: order number (which will show in the merchant center for you if you need to issue a refund), order date, item, price. I screen captured an email: http://i.imgur.com/40hMaIZ.png
Jun 12 11:48:55 <surf2b1> Somehow the user can get your phone number because I've had calls from all over
Jun 12 11:50:04 <surf2b1> maybe they don't share that info anymore because I haven't received a call in awhile.
Jun 12 11:51:06 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, okay, so this is from a buyer´s perspective, would you happen to have one from the seller´s perspective? (an image would be nice and you may hide sensitive information if you want)
Jun 12 11:51:31 <surf2b1> AppDevNL: You won't get an email notification when someone makes a purchase.
Jun 12 11:51:47 <surf2b1> You can see transactions in the Google Merchant Center though
Jun 12 11:52:35 <surf2b1> I use this app to keep track of sales: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rectangularsoftware.appmonger
Jun 12 11:52:42 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, ah, ok. So not even a monthly email?
Jun 12 11:52:57 <surf2b1> they will notify you that they sent you a payment each month
Jun 12 11:53:31 <AppDevNL> I see
Jun 12 11:54:24 <SpaghettiCat> nvm I'll try passing the Context
Jun 12 11:56:25 <AppDevNL> surf2b1, okay, I´ll see what I can do with the API. Thanks so much for your time!
Jun 12 11:56:33 <surf2b1> your welcome
Jun 12 11:56:57 <jadew> hey, I think I hit "don't ask me again" and "cancel" when I plugged in a USB camera in my phone and now the app that's supposed to work with it doesn't see it anymore
Jun 12 11:57:05 <jadew> any idea how to check if that's the case?
Jun 12 12:02:24 <claint> I have a listview of music items, when I click on them I bring up my music player and play them. Now if user clicks on other music items from the listview in succession like a mad man, or just skips to the next song from the player in the same frantic fashion, I catch all those events, which all try to do MediaPlayer.prepare() [which is already really slow on our stream, another problem I am hunting] and in the end, slows down the UI
Jun 12 12:02:24 <claint> and sometimes crashes the app.
Jun 12 12:02:45 <claint> Question 1: How are you supposed to handle your events in such a case?
Jun 12 12:02:57 <demahum> When I create new project in Android Studio, it is automatically set to Relative Layout. Is it possible to change it from Component Tree (or some other way without coding xml)?
Jun 12 12:03:00 <claint> That's basically my question.
Jun 12 12:04:33 <sdsantos> claint can't you just debounce the events, discard them until them until prepare is finished or something?
Jun 12 12:08:10 <claint> sdsantos: I wasn't aware of debouncedClicks, thanks.
Jun 12 12:09:18 <claint> sdsantos: it might solve some of my problems.
Jun 12 12:11:29 <claint> sdsantos: So your version would work like this: Have a singleton/(more or less global) mediaPlayer, and have a custom DebouncedCustomListener which implements View.OnClickListener, and tie it to the singleton mediaPlayer?
Jun 12 12:13:50 <claint> sdsantos: At least, that was the lightbulb I got, even though having a customClickListener that is tied to a global/singleton thing sounds pretty ugly.
Jun 12 12:15:33 <sdsantos> claint: even just debouncing the clicks for a second or so would be enough I think, but if you could accept clicks only when the mediaplayer is available, it would be best. Specially if you can give a visual clue to the user.
Jun 12 12:17:45 <TacticalJoke> claint:  What was the problem?  (I just got here and am curious of what you're all talking about.)
Jun 12 12:26:51 <canvs2321> [08:02] <claint> I have a listview of music items, when I click on them I bring up my music player and play them. Now if user clicks on other music items from the listview in succession like a mad man, or just skips to the next song from the player in the same frantic fashion, I catch all those events, which all try to do MediaPlayer.prepare() [which is already really slow on our stream,
Jun 12 12:26:51 <canvs2321> another problem I am hunting] and in the end, slows down the UI
Jun 12 12:26:51 <canvs2321> [08:02] <claint> and sometimes crashes the app.
Jun 12 12:27:58 <canvs2321> [08:02] <claint> Question 1: How are you supposed to handle your events in such a case?
Jun 12 12:29:44 <s9iper1> how can i get all data from a specific column using sqlite database ?
Jun 12 12:30:53 <TacticalJoke> canvs2321:  What does "bring up my music player" mean?  I'm assuming it means showing another activity (in the same app).
Jun 12 12:32:10 <claint> my music player is a small fragment, which includes a MediaPlayer class to play the music, a remote url.
Jun 12 12:32:58 <canvs2321> TacticalJoke,that was claints question
Jun 12 12:32:59 <claint> there is another fragment, a listview, which has list of music items, which make the small-fragment-music player play the piece.
Jun 12 12:34:03 <claint> so basically, the issue is actually the handling of the clicks. Doing expensive actions tied to the clicks, and when the user goes all out, how are you supposed to handle those clicks.
Jun 12 12:34:21 <Napalm> i wish there was a HTTP error code for "fuck off"
Jun 12 12:34:22 <Napalm> :D
Jun 12 12:34:26 <claint> In my case, the expensive part being, MediaPlayer.prepare() because that is the weak link in the chain.
Jun 12 12:34:43 <Napalm> had someone try and comprimise our server
Jun 12 12:34:46 <TacticalJoke> claint:  So the problem is that FragmentTransactions are committed asynchronously, right?
Jun 12 12:34:52 <Napalm> wanted to send em a message :D
Jun 12 12:34:56 <Napalm> hey TJ
Jun 12 12:35:01 <TacticalJoke> Hay.
Jun 12 12:35:01 <claint> Napalm: You could make one. Like 469:Fuck Off.
Jun 12 12:35:49 <Napalm> apparently  400 is the correct response for "deceptive request routing"
Jun 12 12:36:38 <claint> TacticalJoke: that might be part of the problem, yes.
Jun 12 12:36:45 <TacticalJoke> claint:  Is there any reason you're using a Fragment rather than a simple ViewGroup?
Jun 12 12:37:09 <Napalm> recently I've completely gone off fragments
Jun 12 12:37:09 <TacticalJoke> If you used a simple ViewGroup, you wouldn't have this asynchronicity issue.
Jun 12 12:37:14 <Ribesg> Napalm, 418
Jun 12 12:37:22 <Ribesg> 418 is a polite "fuck off"
Jun 12 12:37:25 <Napalm> lol teapot
Jun 12 12:37:36 <TacticalJoke> With ViewGroups, everything would finish before the second click was processed.
Jun 12 12:37:44 <Ribesg> When a client reaches your webserver and you answer "I'm a teapot"
Jun 12 12:37:50 <Ribesg> How different is that from "fuck off"
Jun 12 12:37:52 <Ribesg> xD
Jun 12 12:38:06 <claint> TacticalJoke: In this case, no, just the first programmer who wrote the thing made it a Fragment. Since it has its own MediaPlaer and other States, like it can expand and cover the area, I don't think it was a bad call, but yeah the issue is not avoiding the fragment.
Jun 12 12:38:20 <claint> TacticalJoke: The view part is fast. The expensive part is the MediaPlayer part.
Jun 12 12:39:04 <claint> TacticalJoke: so "Let's not use a Fragment since they suck" discussion, while applicable, is not the solution in this case.
Jun 12 12:40:10 <surf2b1> claint: Are you creating a new MediaPlayer each time a music item is clicked? You should create a service and have one instance of the MediaPlayer and bind it to your activity
Jun 12 12:40:15 <drose379> Hey guys
Jun 12 12:40:28 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, I don't see what Fragments give you above ViewGroups here after reading that short description, but I guess if you don't want to switch from Fragments then I guess a simple solution is to have a boolean `hasFinishedLoading` flag which is checked on every click.
Jun 12 12:40:37 <claint> surf2b1: I have a singleton MediaPlayer, it is not a service though. Would that help?
Jun 12 12:40:41 <TacticalJoke> Too many "I guess"es.  :D
Jun 12 12:40:42 <drose379> Could I create a custom Intent class? So i can pass any item through an intent that I want
Jun 12 12:41:18 <Napalm> MediaPlayer is another thing in android that should have never existed
Jun 12 12:41:21 <Napalm> its the devil
Jun 12 12:41:28 * Napalm burn it
Jun 12 12:41:39 <drose379> Napalm I got a question for you
Jun 12 12:41:46 <Ribesg> Napalm, the devil is XML
Jun 12 12:41:46 <claint> TacticalJoke: The waiting part is for MediaPlayer.prepare(). And I cannot control that, because Google hardcoded the prepare durations and everything.
Jun 12 12:41:47 <s9iper1> how can i get all data from a specific column using sqlite database ?
Jun 12 12:42:38 <Napalm> Ribesg: XML used for non-markup uses is the Devil
Jun 12 12:42:51 <Napalm> Ribesg: or non-conversion reasons
Jun 12 12:43:02 <Ribesg> That's too complicated
Jun 12 12:43:02 <Napalm> Ribesg: like storing a fucking database in XML
Jun 12 12:43:05 <Ribesg> XML is the devil
Jun 12 12:43:06 <claint> Napalm: yes, I even started looking at openmxplayer(but can't use it since API level support), compiling ffmeg (which I won't do if not as a last resort). Thinking about just controlling the click events for now.
Jun 12 12:43:08 <Ribesg> PHP is the devil
Jun 12 12:43:19 <Ribesg> Napalm, I store my databases in YML
Jun 12 12:43:20 <Napalm> claint: yes you can
Jun 12 12:43:29 <Napalm> claint: use prepareAsync
Jun 12 12:43:30 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 12:43:44 <TacticalJoke> It sounds like a boolean flag might be the solution.  Anyway, I gotta run.
Jun 12 12:43:48 <claint> Napalm: did that. crashes with this kind of stream 50% of the time. I don't know why.
Jun 12 12:44:04 <surf2b1> claint: As long as you aren't creating a new MediaPlayer it shouldn't make too much of a difference. prepareAsync() should return immediately and not block the UI thread.
Jun 12 12:44:06 <Napalm> claint: because you have other state issues
Jun 12 12:45:19 <claint> Napalm: you might be right there, the original program has all kinds of state issues, I am reviewing the code as well.
Jun 12 12:46:20 <claint> surf2b1: prepareAsync() doesn't block, right, but on this particular stream (which is not actually a stream but a http response with mp3 attachment) it fubars half the time, and refuses to play.
Jun 12 12:46:48 <claint> Anyway, thanks, I'll check the code some more, and look for a fix. Was just asking for ideas.
Jun 12 12:47:07 <claint> And I agree that MediaPlayer is evil.
Jun 12 12:50:21 <Napalm> there are just certain things Google should be adding to the API but they are more concerned with "making new fancy features"
Jun 12 12:50:35 <Napalm> things like a MediaPlayer that has a getState()
Jun 12 12:50:42 <Napalm> would be much better to have
Jun 12 12:51:05 <Napalm> all hail the devil http://developer.android.com/images/mediaplayer_state_diagram.gif
Jun 12 12:51:41 * Napalm prostrate himself at the foot of the almighty MediaPlayer state diagram
Jun 12 12:51:47 <AppAraat> hi, what are in your opinion the best European training houses for Android development?
Jun 12 12:53:27 <claint> There are training houses?
Jun 12 12:53:45 <p_l> sounds like something out of kung-fu movie
Jun 12 12:53:52 <SpaghettiCat> Hello, I'm trying to understand when to use fragments. In my Blackjack app you have a set of the dealer's cards and the player's cards. Should each set of cards be in its own fragment? Or the whole playing field should be inside one fragment?
Jun 12 12:54:39 <SpaghettiCat> Or I should use a ViewGroup for each set of cards inside the whole playing field Fragment?
Jun 12 12:55:16 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: each of your card's is a View.. and your playground is a ViewGroup.. and that can be managed by a Fragment (if you want)
Jun 12 12:56:07 <SpaghettiCat> Napalm: is this the way for best re-use? Because the dealer's and player's set of cards are very similar, and I want to stick to the DRY principle
Jun 12 12:56:44 <AppAraat> claint: of course. If something like LUA has training courses then Android would to I'm sure.
Jun 12 12:56:46 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: erm... what?
Jun 12 12:56:57 <AppAraat> I just don't know which one is the "best".
Jun 12 12:57:00 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: how is what i've said against it
Jun 12 12:57:10 <Napalm> its perfectly DRY
Jun 12 12:57:17 <AppAraat> p_l: the concepts are not too different I guess.
Jun 12 12:57:44 <SpaghettiCat> Napalm: But if each card is a View, and the whole playground is  ViewGroup, I'm not re-using the _set of cards_
Jun 12 12:58:05 <SpaghettiCat> I'm re-using the card, but not the set of cards
Jun 12 12:58:20 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: huh?
Jun 12 12:58:20 <EPG> AppAraat, what exactly are you looking for? Like couple of days on-site training?
Jun 12 12:58:34 <AppAraat> yes, pretty much.
Jun 12 12:58:50 <AppAraat> it's meant for training someone to train future developers.
Jun 12 12:59:16 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: "set of cards" is what the player and the dealer have each.. correct?
Jun 12 12:59:22 <AppAraat> EPG: (so someone would then get "sufficient" skills to become a trainer themselves)
Jun 12 12:59:22 <SpaghettiCat> yeah
Jun 12 12:59:54 <SpaghettiCat> Sorry I'm very new, maybe I'm not understanding something. I'll try to do it like you said
Jun 12 12:59:57 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: im not seeing the problem then. they each have their own set
Jun 12 13:00:13 <SpaghettiCat> thanks for the help
Jun 12 13:00:21 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: do cards transfer from the dealer to the player?
Jun 12 13:00:50 <EPG> AppAraat, hm, maybe this: https://commonsware.com/training/
Jun 12 13:01:01 <Napalm> in most card games the cards are on the table "playarea" not under one person
Jun 12 13:01:05 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: ^
Jun 12 13:01:20 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: the notion of a "set of cards" someone owns is not part of the display.. but the model
Jun 12 13:01:22 <SpaghettiCat> Napalm: no they transfer from the deck to each competitor. So I want methods like DealerCardSet.DrawCard(), and CreateCardSet(Dealer); i.e. the code has to be re-usable for both Dealer and Player
Jun 12 13:01:40 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: so again..
Jun 12 13:01:43 <EPG> I don't know any training houses in a sense that they have a fixed location and offer (regular) trainings
Jun 12 13:02:24 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: now you have some objects: player, dealer, deck.. the notion of who owns the card should not be part of the display
Jun 12 13:03:07 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: Cards(View) in a PlayArea(ViewGroup) with logic in a Fragment to control the model
Jun 12 13:03:12 <SpaghettiCat> Napalm: I coded the model part, now I'm trying to connect it with the View part and having a hard time conceptulizing it
Jun 12 13:03:21 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat:
Jun 12 13:03:25 <Napalm> heres how i would do it
Jun 12 13:04:03 <Napalm> the PlayArea ViewGroup could look at each child View and to getTag() to get the model for the Card. which can tell it where to position the cards on the screen.
Jun 12 13:04:07 <Napalm> simple enough
Jun 12 13:04:17 <Napalm> or you might want to go another route
Jun 12 13:04:28 <Napalm> like each player has a edge
Jun 12 13:04:34 <Napalm> and card order
Jun 12 13:04:44 <Napalm> and they line up centered along an edge
Jun 12 13:05:01 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: it really depends on how you want to lay it all out
Jun 12 13:05:22 <SpaghettiCat> It feels that because a "Set of cards" of the dealer and the player are so similar that they must be sub-classes. So I can have methods like DealerCardSet.RevealAllCards() and same for Player
Jun 12 13:05:52 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: the main thing to understand here. is really the ViewGroup should be in control of positioning and animating its child views.. not the game logic in the fragment.. the game logic updates model state and the playarea(ViewGroup) responds to those changes to update the display
Jun 12 13:06:06 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: a set of cards is a model
Jun 12 13:06:49 <Napalm> the PlayArea(ViewGroup) might have a List of SetOfCards and for each it can add the view's and attach the cards and display them
Jun 12 13:07:35 <SpaghettiCat> You mean `(ViewGroup)PlayArea`?
Jun 12 13:07:50 <Napalm> erm? same thing
Jun 12 13:07:59 <Napalm> im just saying the PlayArea is the ViewGRoui
Jun 12 13:08:02 <Napalm> ViewGroup
Jun 12 13:08:09 <AppAraat> EPG: yeah something like that would do, but that guy is located in USA.
Jun 12 13:08:26 <SpaghettiCat> The first one looks like it's taking a ViewGroup as param to act on it
Jun 12 13:09:10 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: not sure what you mean by that
Jun 12 13:10:35 <rrr> device not show up in adb devices
Jun 12 13:11:33 <SpaghettiCat> I'm so confused right now, but I'll just try hack it together and see what happens. thanks for your help
Jun 12 13:11:45 <rrr> how to let adb pick up usb device?
Jun 12 13:12:22 <Napalm> SpaghettiCat: what card game are you making?
Jun 12 13:15:18 <rrr> how come adb does not pickup new usb device?
Jun 12 13:16:12 <SpaghettiCat> Napalm: it's Blackjack. 5 sports for cards on the dealer's and the player's side each
Jun 12 13:18:03 <SpaghettiCat> I think the problem is that I don't know how the Controller part should be done in terms of classes and methods
Jun 12 13:26:46 <SpaghettiCat> Does MVC even apply to Android apps? Or is it for web apps only?
Jun 12 13:27:28 <p_l> Yes, it does
Jun 12 13:27:34 <p_l> how much, depends on the application
Jun 12 13:27:52 <p_l> despite what certain people would like you to think, patterns are not end-all ;)
Jun 12 13:28:51 <cart_man> How does one share Data between Activties?
Jun 12 13:29:21 <SpaghettiCat> cart_man: `Bundle`s?
Jun 12 13:34:06 <p_l> common objects elsewhere in application?
Jun 12 13:34:13 <p_l> external data?
Jun 12 13:37:06 <cart_man> p_l,Like external data yea
Jun 12 13:37:21 <cart_man> lets say I have a picture but it is loadded by Main activity from a website...
Jun 12 13:37:33 <cart_man> Now I want to use it in another activity and I dont want to redownload it
Jun 12 13:37:40 <p_l> cart_man: Activities are not separate applications - they are objects inside an application
Jun 12 13:38:20 <cart_man> Ahmm.... ok but does that not mean that if a Variable is loaded it is private to the scope of the object?
Jun 12 13:41:19 <chrisaardal> rrr, running windows?
Jun 12 13:41:50 <rrr> chrisaardal: yes. worked.
Jun 12 13:42:37 <knapper_tech> can two activities be able to receive touch events at the same time?
Jun 12 13:42:48 <chrisaardal> knapper_tech, nah, dont think so
Jun 12 13:43:21 <knapper_tech> guess I'd have to do some awesome bussing to get something like that working
Jun 12 13:43:22 <chrisaardal> you can use fragments for that
Jun 12 13:43:52 <knapper_tech> i'm having an issue with webview using up craptons of memory and was thinking of shoving it in another activity
Jun 12 13:44:11 <knapper_tech> there's no way to get the native memory taken by a webview to be release apparently
Jun 12 13:44:35 <shmooz> claint: I had the same problem as you, I created isLoading boolean which I set true when user hits the list or hits play, and on mediaPlayer.onPrepared ...  I set it back to false
Jun 12 13:44:54 <knapper_tech> I've implemented a lot of what's online to find that while the memory goes down, it seems impossible to get back to zero
Jun 12 13:45:07 <knapper_tech> *baseline before webview loads a page
Jun 12 13:45:14 <shmooz> claint: and then you just if(!isLoading) { let the user click it ...
Jun 12 13:46:15 <chrisaardal> doesnt webview have a background app delegated to run it? After 5.0 or something?
Jun 12 13:46:36 <demahum> When I create new project in Android Studio, it is automatically set to Relative Layout. Is it possible to change it from Component Tree (or some other way without coding xml)?
Jun 12 13:59:31 <rrr> how do i ignore any under /*/build/?
Jun 12 14:11:06 <claint> schmooz: so your isLoading boolean is global and you have a custom onClickListener (for music items) that uses it and bounces if it is not?
Jun 12 14:11:35 <claint> if it is (isLoading) that is.
Jun 12 14:12:10 <claint> schmooz: might work in my case too. I hate using globals but Android makes me sometimes. Thanks.
Jun 12 14:25:55 <shmooz> claint: yes it's global, so when the user hits anything that plays you if(isLoading == false) { isLoading = true;  mediaPlayer.start() ...
Jun 12 14:26:36 <shmooz> and mediaPlayer has setOnPreparedListener(  onPrepare() {  ...  you set it back to false there
Jun 12 14:26:51 <shmooz> or I mean onPrepared()
Jun 12 14:27:20 <rrr> i want to push a dev branch but the remote dev is not fast-forward, how do i do this?
Jun 12 14:33:57 <rrr> can i change the name of existing branch?
Jun 12 14:36:31 <SpaghettiCat> rrr: from the AS GUI?
Jun 12 14:37:40 <rrr> command line
Jun 12 14:39:09 <SpaghettiCat> That's not an android-related question. Go to #git for that. Look into the '-m' flag of `git branch`
Jun 12 14:53:12 <rrr> SpaghettiCat: how to upgrade AS?
Jun 12 14:56:40 <coryallegory> does anyone know if it's possible to ensure a play store autoupdate gets applied while the app is running?
Jun 12 14:57:32 <rrr> is there a buitin autoupdate for AS?
Jun 12 14:58:17 <adq> coryallegory, application would be killed anyway
Jun 12 14:58:23 <adq> (assume it would be possible)
Jun 12 14:58:28 <adq> assuming*
Jun 12 14:58:55 <coryallegory> I would be ok with that, or even manually killing the app, but I can't guarantee the autoupdate will trigger
Jun 12 14:59:14 <coryallegory> I have an enterprise app that's always on, that will likely need to update eventually
Jun 12 15:00:02 <adq> I can think of many applications running under a service and being updated
Jun 12 15:00:33 <adq> but I have no idea how the auto-update is scheduled by the play store app or the packagemanager itself
Jun 12 15:01:11 <coryallegory> yea fair enough
Jun 12 15:01:17 <sci-fic> i can't play mp4 file from raw folder in videoview
Jun 12 15:01:23 <coryallegory> I think the difference is that this app has focus all the time
Jun 12 15:01:30 <sci-fic> its not supported or is there a way to play ?
Jun 12 15:01:34 <coryallegory> while the others in the background can get updated
Jun 12 15:09:36 <adq> sci-fic, mp4 is just a container, check if the codecs are supported
Jun 12 15:10:09 <sci-fic> adq ok sure
Jun 12 15:23:23 <ircfox> Hello folks!
Jun 12 15:23:59 <sci-fic> adq:its avc, i guess it should be playing
Jun 12 15:42:40 <Bavilo> hey guys, a quick question...how fast or how many times a second does android read the inputstream for bluetooth?
Jun 12 15:43:31 <Bavilo> is there an estimate? once every 10ms, 20ms? slower? faster?
Jun 12 15:58:56 <bubbely> hey.. what must i 'import' to use readStream() i cant find the answer on google or d.android
Jun 12 16:04:23 <canvs2321> readStream is a method of some object, so find that object
Jun 12 16:04:50 <canvs2321> sounds made up though, but somebody made it
Jun 12 16:05:23 <NateRiver> is it dumb to use a scanner to navigate Strings that are grabbed by a bufferedreader? in java, i heard scanner was slow but i havent noticed any problems
Jun 12 16:05:28 <canvs2321> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8376072/whats-the-readstream-method-i-just-can-not-find-it-anywhere
Jun 12 16:05:36 <bubbely> thx
Jun 12 16:06:16 <Napalm> NateRiver: erm.. wait.. what?
Jun 12 16:06:38 <Napalm> NateRiver: explain navigate strings.. what exactly are you doing with the data?
Jun 12 16:07:00 <Napalm> omh
Jun 12 16:07:02 <Napalm> omg
Jun 12 16:07:09 <Napalm> bubbely: dont use that method on stack overflow
Jun 12 16:07:11 <Napalm> mega slowww
Jun 12 16:07:33 <bubbely> what should i use
Jun 12 16:07:36 <bubbely> URL url =   new URL("http://www.android.com/"); <- why is this a malformed url
Jun 12 16:07:42 <canvs2321> it was for showing him it's a made up method
Jun 12 16:07:50 <NateRiver> like initially i use a buffered reader to grab each line of a text document, then i take that line and give it to a scanner and use the scanner to grab infos or make new scanners based on what shows up
Jun 12 16:08:11 <bubbely> =)
Jun 12 16:09:08 <Tentacular261> I have a UI question
Jun 12 16:09:17 <NateRiver> each line could potentially spawn up to 10 different scanners -.-
Jun 12 16:09:22 <canvs2321> you and i? we are still cool
Jun 12 16:09:53 <Tentacular261> I've just recently gotten into Android development, and I'm trying to put a few button on top of a slightly transparent background of pictures
Jun 12 16:10:07 <Tentacular261> I can't figure out how to get the buttons to be on top
Jun 12 16:10:19 <Tentacular261> or in front of the pictures would be a better description
Jun 12 16:10:20 <bubbely> Napalm: show me the better one?
Jun 12 16:10:28 <canvs2321> use an appropriate layout that allows stacking
Jun 12 16:11:16 <canvs2321> Tentacular261, what layout are you using? can you post xml, there is RelativeLayout that you can position views ontop of each other, and they are drawn to canvas from top to bottom, so the bottom view in the xml is the top viewed view in the layout
Jun 12 16:13:10 <canvs2321> so, <RelativeLayout....><ImageView/><Button 1/><Button 2/></Relativelayout>, imageview is drawn first then button1 ontop imageview, then button 2 ontop of imageview and if positioned x,y over Button1 it is drawn ontop of that too
Jun 12 16:15:07 <Napalm> bubbely: one mo, i'll write one
Jun 12 16:17:41 <Tentacular261> canvs2321, So I just tried to throw what you said together, and this is what I got: http://pastebin.com/afFLviiE
Jun 12 16:18:09 <Tentacular261> I want the buttons to be centered vertically, one about the other. They don't seem to want to do that though.
Jun 12 16:19:30 <canvs2321> That is a linearlayout you won't be able to draw the buttons ontop of the imageview
Jun 12 16:19:40 <bubbely> !
Jun 12 16:19:55 <Tentacular261> oh woops. I thought it was relative
Jun 12 16:20:07 <canvs2321> relative layout by stacking i mean the Z axis, linear layout is left right/up down positioning
Jun 12 16:20:46 <canvs2321> and your first button will be positioned top left, til you give it some other arguments
Jun 12 16:21:05 <canvs2321> second button will be left center
Jun 12 16:22:30 <bolovanos> I cant find Asset Types used in android studio, can you give me some source or help me with it?
Jun 12 16:22:35 <canvs2321> gtg for right now, but play around with relativelayout, and i'm sure others can assists as well if you can't find a good google search
Jun 12 16:22:47 <Tentacular261> awesome. canvs2321, you're a wonderful human being
Jun 12 16:22:53 <Tentacular261> thank you, peace
Jun 12 16:23:16 <canvs2321> gl :)
Jun 12 16:24:15 <bolovanos> Wha is difference between asset types, Launcher Icons, Action Bar and Tab Icons and Notification Icons
Jun 12 16:24:15 <bolovanos> ?
Jun 12 16:25:03 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/n9njRnsv <- how do i get "urlConnection" to be resovled as a symbol in this situation
Jun 12 16:36:56 <Napalm> bubbely: hey, what are you trying to read into a string?
Jun 12 16:37:07 <Napalm> a file?
Jun 12 16:37:11 <Napalm> a url?
Jun 12 16:37:12 <bubbely> Napalm: http://pastebin.com/kqsdydPQ  <- the source code to android.com
Jun 12 16:37:32 <Napalm> what?
Jun 12 16:37:38 <Napalm> ok
Jun 12 16:37:43 <Napalm> so is it always going to be a URL?
Jun 12 16:37:48 <bubbely> yaeh
Jun 12 16:37:50 <bubbely> yeah*
Jun 12 16:37:59 <bubbely> btw, android.com for my tests, later im gonna make it my personal website
Jun 12 16:38:31 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  On a side note, OkHttp is better.
Jun 12 16:38:37 <TacticalJoke> I'd never use HttpURLConnectoin.
Jun 12 16:38:39 <TacticalJoke> ion*
Jun 12 16:39:09 <Napalm> dude
Jun 12 16:39:11 <Napalm> TJ
Jun 12 16:39:15 <Napalm> dont say shit like that
Jun 12 16:39:30 <bubbely> TacticalJoke:  im trying to use okhttp
Jun 12 16:39:32 <TacticalJoke> Why not?
Jun 12 16:39:33 <Napalm> HttpURLConnection is back onto OkHttp if you just add the dependency
Jun 12 16:39:40 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, behind an inferior API>
Jun 12 16:39:42 <TacticalJoke> .*
Jun 12 16:39:48 <TacticalJoke> And on 4.4+.
Jun 12 16:40:04 <wakelock> wow, someone totally got spoilt :p
Jun 12 16:40:06 <Napalm> true, but he's just getting started
Jun 12 16:40:17 <TacticalJoke> Napalm:  All the more reason to recommend OkHttp.
Jun 12 16:40:33 <Napalm> dont overcomplicate things sheeze
Jun 12 16:40:34 <Napalm> :D
Jun 12 16:40:38 <wakelock> "I'd never use the standard built-in thing because the non-standard 3rd-party lib is just awesome and I can't live without it" :p
Jun 12 16:40:41 <bubbely> im gonna try okhttp really quickly, the source looks so simple ( i googled it )
Jun 12 16:40:52 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 16:41:12 <bubbely> seriously
Jun 12 16:41:23 <TacticalJoke> wakelock:  A lot of "standard, built-in" things are worth avoiding.  HttpURLConnection is one example.
Jun 12 16:41:44 <TacticalJoke> *Especially* for new code.
Jun 12 16:41:58 <wakelock> not quite sure what's wrong with it. sure, it might not have pretty API but it works and does what it should.
Jun 12 16:42:13 <Zharf> there's so many things wrong with it..
Jun 12 16:42:24 <wakelock> I'm using it happily
Jun 12 16:42:50 <wakelock> OkHttp is definitely far superior, but it's not be-all end-all
Jun 12 16:43:04 <wakelock> there are situations where OkHttp is just an overkill
Jun 12 16:43:19 <TacticalJoke> It's harder to compare them now because HttpURLConnection uses OkHttp behind the scenes on 4.4+.
Jun 12 16:44:12 <TacticalJoke> But as far as I remember the general differences are these:  OkHttp supports HTTP/2, supports SPDY, is better at connection reuse, is actively maintained, etc.
Jun 12 16:44:26 <TacticalJoke> Oh, and the API is nicer.
Jun 12 16:44:35 <wakelock> also, if he skips the standard built-in stuff and jumps straight to OkHttp, he won't ever know exactly *why* he's using it, other than "I was told so"
Jun 12 16:44:53 <Napalm> TacticalJoke: the whole support HTTP/2 and SPDY is a non-issue
Jun 12 16:44:55 <bubbely> what folder do i need to put my .jar in to use this compile 'com.squareup.okhttp:okhttp:2.4.0' <-
Jun 12 16:44:56 <wakelock> how would you know a good thing if you had nothing to compare it to?
Jun 12 16:45:10 <JakeWharton> Napalm: why?
Jun 12 16:45:15 <TacticalJoke> wakelock:  You're saying he should use something bad so that he can appreciate something good?  I can't say that's a convincing argument.
Jun 12 16:45:19 <bubbely> src?
Jun 12 16:45:28 <Napalm> TacticalJoke: when it becomes popular enough, all devices will run 4.4+ and get the support free
Jun 12 16:45:35 <TacticalJoke> Napalm:  Behind an inferior API.
Jun 12 16:45:42 <kroot> TacticalJoke: even more mindbendingly OkHttp started as HttpURLConnection
Jun 12 16:45:56 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 16:46:01 <JakeWharton> Napalm: HTTP/2 and SPDY is not enabled for Android builds
Jun 12 16:46:07 <Napalm> nooo
Jun 12 16:46:10 <Napalm> :'(
Jun 12 16:47:06 <bubbely> any1?
Jun 12 16:47:24 <wakelock> TacticalJoke, what other way do you suggest for truly appreciating all the benefits? how can he even know which features are benefits and which are standard and can just be taken for granted?
Jun 12 16:47:31 <wakelock> my logic makes perfect sense
Jun 12 16:47:41 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Put it in the build.gradle for your app.
Jun 12 16:49:12 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: Where shold i place the physical .jar file
Jun 12 16:49:17 <bubbely> that id wonlaoded from okhttp?
Jun 12 16:49:21 <TacticalJoke> No need to use the JAR.
Jun 12 16:49:27 <bubbely> oh.
Jun 12 16:49:29 <bubbely> i get an error though
Jun 12 16:49:43 <TacticalJoke> Just add `compile 'com.squareup.okhttp:okhttp:2.4.0'` to build.gradle.
Jun 12 16:50:10 <TacticalJoke> I'm not saying you have to switch to OkHttp.  HttpURLConnection works.  Just pointing out that OkHttp is better.
Jun 12 16:50:17 <bubbely> package com.squareup.okhttp.guide; <- return class or interface expected
Jun 12 16:51:49 <wakelock> OkHttp is definitely more powerful and more convenient for most things
Jun 12 16:52:04 <bubbely> yeah okhttp looks way better
Jun 12 16:52:14 <bubbely> i just need to get the library imported and working
Jun 12 16:53:11 <bubbely> any ideas?
Jun 12 16:53:36 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  What happens when you add the above line to the build.gradle for "app"?
Jun 12 16:53:47 <bubbely> package com.squareup.okhttp.guide; <- retunrns class or interface expected
Jun 12 16:54:23 <wakelock> http://square.github.io/okhttp/
Jun 12 16:54:32 <wakelock> can't be that hard to find and follow simple instructions...
Jun 12 16:55:17 <bubbely> wakelock: all it says is the gradle line.. not much else, i did that.. not working
Jun 12 16:55:39 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  I don't know what you mean.  In what context are you seeing "return class or interface expected"?
Jun 12 16:56:03 <bubbely> The line is underlined in red, and if i hover over it thats teh error msg
Jun 12 16:56:16 <wakelock> it also says to download a couple of JARs, it is assumed you are at least able to put them where they belong
Jun 12 16:56:39 <bubbely> wakelock: i don't know where to put them, that was my first issue, then someone said i dont need the jars so i skipped
Jun 12 16:56:44 <bubbely> wakelock: where do jar go?
Jun 12 16:57:03 <lasserix> just add thru wizard dialog
Jun 12 16:57:25 <lasserix> right click -> module settings -> dependencies -> add -> from library / browse
Jun 12 16:57:28 <lasserix> search okhttp
Jun 12 16:57:46 <wakelock> there is at least one other jar in your project already. can't you figure out where it is?
Jun 12 16:58:05 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Forget JARs.  This is 2015.
Jun 12 16:58:29 <wakelock> dude, you are *so* spoiled rotten.
Jun 12 16:58:30 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 16:58:56 <Napalm> as i said.. should have just gone with HttpURLConnection
Jun 12 16:59:20 <TacticalJoke> wakelock:  Choose to use the best libraries isn't being spoiled.
Jun 12 16:59:22 <TacticalJoke> Choosing*
Jun 12 16:59:22 <wakelock> "just click this button and everything will be done for you, including writing your app, building it, and publishing it on google play, complete with a professional looking description and keywords"
Jun 12 16:59:36 <lasserix> in your project window
Jun 12 16:59:39 <wakelock> "you don't even have to turn your brain on"
Jun 12 16:59:39 <wakelock> lol
Jun 12 16:59:58 <lasserix> click on the module you want to add the dependency to
Jun 12 17:00:08 <lasserix> usually its created as app unless you change it
Jun 12 17:00:26 <lasserix> you can also goto file -> project settings/structure
Jun 12 17:00:33 <bubbely> oh.
Jun 12 17:00:40 <TacticalJoke> wakelock:  You think that using the best HTTP library is the same as wanting to just press buttons instead of programming?
Jun 12 17:00:47 <TacticalJoke> Can't say I'm even remotely convinced by anything you've said on this topic.
Jun 12 17:00:54 <wakelock> no, I'm referring to your "you don't need JARs"
Jun 12 17:01:23 <wakelock> also, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm saying it for bubbely's sake
Jun 12 17:02:24 <dex2goat> just shipit
Jun 12 17:02:31 <Bavilo> does anyone know how fast the bluetooth inputstream is being read?
Jun 12 17:02:36 <bubbely> *erm*
Jun 12 17:02:44 <DarkChaoz> need help.. activity keeps crashing.. because of nullpointerexception but i initalized it in oncreate http://pastebin.com/F1ax0JFa
Jun 12 17:02:58 <bubbely> so, package com.squareup.okhttp.guide; ... *please* help me get rid of the error to this line, class or interface expected
Jun 12 17:03:02 <DarkChaoz> rss feed class http://pastebin.com/gfnjyJQ0
Jun 12 17:03:13 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  What is the context?  What is the entire file the error message refers to?
Jun 12 17:03:15 <DarkChaoz> stacktrace http://pastebin.com/302qCvEk
Jun 12 17:03:15 <lasserix> bubbely:  http://postimg.org/image/ppxwnjmhf/
Jun 12 17:03:38 <lasserix> it might look slightly different on windoze or linux
Jun 12 17:04:04 <wakelock> DarkChaoz, it is pointless pasting the stack trace unless you are going to paste the *entire* file it refers to
Jun 12 17:04:08 <wakelock> not just the class definition
Jun 12 17:04:11 <lasserix> but if you can find your way to that window, you click Library dependency and type okhttp, pick the one from com.squareup.okhttp:okhttp
Jun 12 17:04:29 <lasserix> if you want to know what this does, first look at the build.gradle file in your app module directory
Jun 12 17:04:31 <dex2goat> such networkonmaimthread
Jun 12 17:04:34 <lasserix> then look at it after
Jun 12 17:04:58 <DarkChaoz> wakelock i only seen the stacktrace referring to gearsforum class once
Jun 12 17:05:08 <DarkChaoz> otherwise i'd posted the whole thing
Jun 12 17:05:09 <wakelock> you're missing the point
Jun 12 17:06:06 <DarkChaoz> ok i'll paste full stacktrace
Jun 12 17:06:08 <DarkChaoz> hold on
Jun 12 17:06:10 <wakelock> ...
Jun 12 17:06:26 <wakelock> I never said I need more stack trace
Jun 12 17:07:09 <lasserix> Does anyone have an example of what the mipmap png should look like?
Jun 12 17:07:14 <DarkChaoz> oh
Jun 12 17:07:15 <lasserix> am i supposed to mipmap it
Jun 12 17:07:50 <asarazan> How many folks have commit hooks for unit tests?
Jun 12 17:08:01 <DarkChaoz> anyway to fix the issue? im using a custom client hence why i need to pass context through the class
Jun 12 17:08:01 <mflow> What's the difference between @style/ThemeOverlay.AppCompat.Dark.ActionBar and @style/ThemeOverlay.AppCompat.Dark ?
Jun 12 17:08:10 <asarazan> Seems really disruptive to the workflow to block commits on tests, rather than just run CI
Jun 12 17:08:11 <wakelock> DarkChaoz, do you expect people to just magically guess which line is #69 in your paste?
Jun 12 17:08:27 <wakelock> *this* is why your source paste is useless
Jun 12 17:10:07 <DarkChaoz> okokokok i'll paste everything next time
Jun 12 17:10:11 <DarkChaoz> but the line is NodeList nodes = xmlFeed.getElementsByTagName("item");
Jun 12 17:11:23 <wviana> Hi, does some one with Retrofit and Proguard experience could help me with it ? http://bit.ly/1BbAAoW
Jun 12 17:11:58 <bubbely> ok guys. i managed to get okhttp installed
Jun 12 17:12:23 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/yY <- crashes
Jun 12 17:12:54 <TacticalJoke> I think you missed part of the URL.
Jun 12 17:13:06 <treelzebub> 404s :D
Jun 12 17:14:15 <bubbely> lol
Jun 12 17:14:23 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/yYPByGRj
Jun 12 17:14:30 <bubbely> ^ crashes
Jun 12 17:15:14 <literallycat> If I am in an activity, and another activity tries to preempt it, can I deny the preempting activity somehow?
Jun 12 17:15:37 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Use `client.newCall(request).enqueue(...);`.
Jun 12 17:15:57 <TacticalJoke> Also, look at LogCat and see what the crash is.  It's not enough to simply know that something crashes.
Jun 12 17:16:00 <literallycat> I have an activity for notifications, I don't want notifications to appear while I am in a certain activity
Jun 12 17:16:03 <TacticalJoke> You need know the exact details.
Jun 12 17:16:38 <literallycat> the notification activity is started from a service
Jun 12 17:16:41 <DarkChaoz> is getApplicationContext() an integer or string/
Jun 12 17:16:49 <TacticalJoke> I'm guessing you got a NetworkOnMainThreadException with both HTTP libraries.
Jun 12 17:17:20 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: http://pastebin.com/99537sBp
Jun 12 17:17:44 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: what were u saying about enqueue
Jun 12 17:18:24 <bubbely> :)
Jun 12 17:18:45 <TacticalJoke> The problem is that you can't do networking operations on the main thread.  Call.enqueue schedules the request to be performed on a background thread.
Jun 12 17:18:52 <bubbely> k
Jun 12 17:19:07 <TacticalJoke> They call you back in onSuccess or onError.
Jun 12 17:19:13 <TacticalJoke> Oops.
Jun 12 17:19:17 <TacticalJoke> onResponse and onFailure.
Jun 12 17:19:25 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: show me how to use eneque in this situation plz
Jun 12 17:19:50 <TacticalJoke> It's all documented:  https://github.com/square/okhttp/wiki/Recipes#asynchronous-get
Jun 12 17:20:15 <sandhy> I am showing images in viewpager with offScreenLimit as 1(default). So at a particular instance there are 3 images in memory which is giving me out of memory exception. Images are already scaled down. Is there any workaround this problem?
Jun 12 17:22:33 <TacticalJoke> mflow:  As far as I remember, the "ActionBar" ones are for the Toolbar and the others are for the Toolbar's popup theme.
Jun 12 17:24:55 <toothpick> Hi, I need help with layouts, can anyone help me if the following layout should be linear or relative? http://postimg.org/image/9vzi3xyh1/
Jun 12 17:26:02 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: ok. im trying to srot things out.. is it just me, or is the source u sent me missing a bunch of { }
Jun 12 17:26:29 <bubbely> sort*
Jun 12 17:26:31 <bubbely> ttyl
Jun 12 17:26:46 <adq> toothpick, relative, because you superimpose few elements
Jun 12 17:26:50 <TacticalJoke> I don't see any missing braces.
Jun 12 17:26:59 <bubbely> ok
Jun 12 17:27:01 <bubbely> hm
Jun 12 17:27:03 <toothpick> adq: what do you mean superimpose?
Jun 12 17:27:07 <DarkChaoz> whats the issue with line 69 its giving me a nullpointer exception http://pastebin.com/yzz8mrEt
Jun 12 17:27:18 <adq> toothpick, put an element on top of another
Jun 12 17:27:32 <DarkChaoz> i modified the rssfeed class and the class i just posted for fetching rss feed from https website
Jun 12 17:27:38 <toothpick> adq: so all elements should be under one relative layout?
Jun 12 17:27:52 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: Is it possible to have a function with a function?
Jun 12 17:27:58 <DarkChaoz> rss feed class http://pastebin.com/gfnjyJQ0
Jun 12 17:27:59 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: I see "onfailure" in "run" in this situation
Jun 12 17:28:02 <adq> ok, let me rage left
Jun 12 17:28:26 <mflow> bubbely, you can't have function within functions in Java
Jun 12 17:28:35 <bubbely> mflow: then this source is all wrong...
Jun 12 17:28:36 <g00s> bubbely no local functions in java
Jun 12 17:28:40 <TacticalJoke> That's an anonymous class.
Jun 12 17:28:41 <TacticalJoke> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/javaOO/anonymousclasses.html
Jun 12 17:28:49 <TacticalJoke> You don't have to use an anonymous class here, FWIW.
Jun 12 17:29:05 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/mAGAYBDF
Jun 12 17:29:43 <s73v3r> DarkChaoz: It’s cause you are not able to get a response from that server
Jun 12 17:29:57 <bubbely> client.newCall(request).enqueue(new Callback() { <- thats where the code gets crazy?
Jun 12 17:30:30 <DarkChaoz> mhmm is it because of the custom http client? i have a bks keystore which holds the website cert  in the raw folder
Jun 12 17:30:35 <TacticalJoke> I'm not a huge fan of anonymous classes, personally, but a lot of people like them in some situations.
Jun 12 17:31:08 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: can u help me get Run working with the eneque please
Jun 12 17:33:16 <DarkChaoz> actually might be because i used MyHttpClient(Context); instead of MyHttpsClient(Context);
Jun 12 17:33:20 <DarkChaoz> gunna try that
Jun 12 17:33:21 <bubbely> bye
Jun 12 17:33:33 <DarkChaoz> ._.
Jun 12 17:33:37 <DarkChaoz> bye?
Jun 12 17:33:41 <dex2goat> lol
Jun 12 17:33:43 <bubbely> er no
Jun 12 17:33:45 <bubbely> not bye
Jun 12 17:33:54 <DarkChaoz> lol
Jun 12 17:34:11 <treelzebub> hello
Jun 12 17:34:12 <DarkChaoz> then why say bye then in the first place >.>
Jun 12 17:34:19 <DarkChaoz> hi
Jun 12 17:34:21 <bubbely> i was supposed to msg that to someone
Jun 12 17:34:22 <toothpick> How do i know the exact height of a picture in order to determine its size using android:layout_height="" >\
Jun 12 17:34:22 <treelzebub> !bye
Jun 12 17:34:23 <toothpick> ?
Jun 12 17:34:39 <bubbely> anyway... TacticalJoke u still there?
Jun 12 17:35:40 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  It's easy.  Just type a bunch of things.
Jun 12 17:36:08 <bubbely> lol
Jun 12 17:36:17 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: work with me here
Jun 12 17:36:28 <Ironthighs> That feeling when your encapsulation "obsession" (according to your coworkers) pays off.
Jun 12 17:36:48 * Ironthighs rolls eyes
Jun 12 17:37:16 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: this code just doesn't make sense. how do i get a working Callback()
Jun 12 17:37:33 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Have you ever done multithreading before?
Jun 12 17:37:37 <TacticalJoke> Or "async" stuff.
Jun 12 17:37:43 <g00s> lol http://digg.com/video/dont-film-a-wedding-with-a-drone-you-dingus
Jun 12 17:38:16 <TacticalJoke> lol g00s
Jun 12 17:38:24 <TacticalJoke> Maybe it's an omen.
Jun 12 17:39:49 <second_string> toothpick what?
Jun 12 17:42:01 <paulo_> hi guys
Jun 12 17:42:54 <ac_slater_> hey guys. I use Painter to draw on a canvas. Is there a simple way to set a global alpha? ie - I want both per-pixel alpha with RGBA but I want a layer-level alpha too. Advice?
Jun 12 17:42:58 <groxx> is there anything like a "styles reset" project out there, like we have (millions of) for CSS?  I'm seriously tired of finding out I need to override <single device's crazy style that nobody else touches>.
Jun 12 17:45:13 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: Ok. Check this out. http://pastebin.com/366m5apv <- doesn't work.. so i tried return "test"; and it still doesn't work.. any ideas
Jun 12 17:47:56 <TacticalJoke> By "doesn't work", do you mean "throws a NetworkOnMainThreadException"?  If so, it's exactly the same as before: a solution is to use Call.enqueue rather than Call.execute.
Jun 12 17:48:42 <bubbely> one sec
Jun 12 17:49:41 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: ok yeah, im having so much trobule with the eneque i havent dont threads in java before. ih ave in C#
Jun 12 17:50:25 <TacticalJoke> Call.enqueue takes care of the thread pool and submitting tasks to it, so it's simple in a way.
Jun 12 17:50:38 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: how do i work it with a callback function
Jun 12 17:51:43 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  The example I linked to shows you.  Why not just copy what they did?
Jun 12 17:52:06 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: Iwas trying to tell you earlier, it doesn't work right. tthe example has a function within a function for starters
Jun 12 17:53:24 <missingno> so in dagger 2, how do I create a second component graph that reuses the singletons from the first
Jun 12 17:54:21 <missingno> current I have this:
Jun 12 17:54:21 <missingno> @Module(includes = Module1.class)
Jun 12 17:54:22 <missingno> public class Module2
Jun 12 17:54:24 <mflow> g00s, ambushed by a tree?
Jun 12 17:54:46 <g00s> mflow it wasn't there when they started !
Jun 12 17:55:05 <missingno> which creates duplicate singleton objects in Component2's graph
Jun 12 17:55:40 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: see waht im saying?
Jun 12 17:57:10 <s9iper1> i am using this code to retrieve data from DB but i am getting all the data except first item in column from the top Am i missing something ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703310/
Jun 12 17:57:33 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Just try it.
Jun 12 17:57:50 <in_deep_thought> is it possible for me to replicate an NFC like experience with ble beacons? really short range - 1-2 inches, and immediate detection.
Jun 12 17:58:00 <TacticalJoke> Do you really think I linked you to something that not only didn't work but was syntactically invalid?  That'd be crazy stuff.
Jun 12 17:58:23 <bubbely> lol TacticalJoke: ok, ill start here
Jun 12 17:58:36 <in_deep_thought> If so, can anyone recommend some simple beacons? All the ones I am finding are for big ranges and are overly complex
Jun 12 17:58:40 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  This stuff isn't that hard.  Try things before asking.  :)
Jun 12 17:59:40 <groxx> s9iper1: you're missing the first row, you mean?
Jun 12 17:59:50 <s9iper1> yes
Jun 12 17:59:53 <s9iper1> groxx,
Jun 12 18:00:23 <s9iper1> Am i doing it right  groxx ?
Jun 12 18:00:32 <groxx> moveToFirst puts it on item 1. then you moveToNext (so you're on 2), and then you start pulling data
Jun 12 18:00:41 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: is there a way to copy and paste the error message showed in an underlined code (the error code)
Jun 12 18:01:08 <s9iper1> groxx, hmm
Jun 12 18:01:22 <TacticalJoke> Not as far as I know.  Android Studio's error reporting is pretty lame.
Jun 12 18:01:27 <JesusFreke> Although, I have to admit, it would be a bit weird getting hired by apple to do android dev
Jun 12 18:01:28 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: Class anyonymous derived from callback must implement onfailure
Jun 12 18:01:39 <JesusFreke> oops, wrong chan :)
Jun 12 18:01:42 <groxx> s9iper1: typically I'd say: check if hasNext (and return early if not), then just use moveToNext. it'll move to the first item the first time you call it
Jun 12 18:01:44 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: that happens in Callback
Jun 12 18:01:54 <TacticalJoke> Press Alt+Enter (assuming you're on Windows) at the red-underlined text.
Jun 12 18:02:03 <TacticalJoke> Then implement all the methods.
Jun 12 18:02:03 <s9iper1> groxx, ok thank :)
Jun 12 18:02:36 <groxx> s9iper1: moveToFirst is basically only useful as a "rewind this to the beginning" thing, after you've moved it somewhere else. a new one is already at the beginning.
Jun 12 18:02:37 <lasserix> Does anyone know how to control the thickness of a seekbar background?
Jun 12 18:03:22 <g00s> lasserix the track ?
Jun 12 18:03:27 <s9iper1> thanks groxx  :)
Jun 12 18:03:36 <s9iper1> i understand
Jun 12 18:04:04 <lasserix> g00s yeah
Jun 12 18:04:19 <lasserix> is there a way to do it in code or just am i forced to do it by sizing the png?
Jun 12 18:04:20 <g00s> lasserix i'm guessing you need to supply your own drawble
Jun 12 18:04:40 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: u there?
Jun 12 18:04:56 <bobbiejim1> is there any way to import a 3D model file (COLLADA/.dae) into google maps? it looks like google maps has support for 3D objects but i cant find how to import my own models
Jun 12 18:05:34 <g00s> lasserix don't have to resize png, supply drawable layer lst
Jun 12 18:05:38 <g00s> *layer list
Jun 12 18:06:06 <lasserix> g00s i have, but the seekbar ignores any sizing i do in it
Jun 12 18:09:02 <g00s> dang, i remember doing this
Jun 12 18:09:40 <g00s> if you use progressDrawable and height, should work
Jun 12 18:10:09 <g00s> for example i have android:progressDrawable="?attr/batteryGaugeDrawable"
Jun 12 18:10:24 <g00s> and thats a layerlist. it grows when you change the height
Jun 12 18:10:39 <toothpick> How do i know the exact height of a picture in order to determine its size using android:layout_height="" ?
Jun 12 18:11:33 <g00s> man, using theme attributes in Drawables is so long overdue, i wish they fixed that in api 16 or something
Jun 12 18:12:02 <lasserix> g00s i give up just going to 9.png it
Jun 12 18:12:12 <toothpick> g00s: did you talk to me?
Jun 12 18:12:18 <g00s> no
Jun 12 18:13:11 <canvs2321> toothpick, you can always adjust height later, what image are you talking about? is it packaged with your app, or downloaded?
Jun 12 18:13:22 <toothpick> canvs2321: it is downloaded
Jun 12 18:13:39 <canvs2321> what kind of images? full screen images or icons or what type
Jun 12 18:13:52 <canvs2321> should really set your layout then scale most likely
Jun 12 18:13:52 <toothpick> canvs2321: http://postimg.org/image/9vzi3xyh1/
Jun 12 18:14:09 <toothpick> canvs2321: i want to set the height of the blue header
Jun 12 18:14:28 <toothpick> otherwise if i use "fill_parent" it goes to the middle
Jun 12 18:14:33 <canvs2321> not counting the buttons?
Jun 12 18:14:44 <toothpick> right now im talking only about the blue header
Jun 12 18:14:53 <canvs2321> what are you trying to accomplish i guess i my question with that image
Jun 12 18:15:09 <canvs2321> use it as a toolbar background?
Jun 12 18:15:48 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/7PQWeJBc <- Error:(35, 56) error: <anonymous com.example.david.myfirstapp.MyActivity$1> is not abstract and does not override abstract method onFailure(Request,IOException) in Callback
Jun 12 18:15:50 <missingno> well I found this handy SO answer explaining dagger things to me http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29587130/dagger-2-subcomponents-vs-component-dependencies
Jun 12 18:16:19 <toothpick> canvs2321: no ... i want to know its exact size for "android:layout_height"
Jun 12 18:16:39 <toothpick> canvs2321: because if android:layout_height="fill_parent" it goes to the bottom and not to the top of the screen
Jun 12 18:16:46 <canvs2321> toothpick, with that you can't unless you do some pixel compare to know where the blue stops, as those buttons hang below the blue
Jun 12 18:16:53 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Why did you specify `Throwable`?  Like I said, just use Alt+Enter > Implement methods.
Jun 12 18:16:56 <canvs2321> but if you aren't even using that image, it's a bad example to post for help
Jun 12 18:17:07 <canvs2321> toothpick, wrap_content
Jun 12 18:17:12 <toothpick> canvs2321: aha!
Jun 12 18:17:19 <toothpick> android:layout_height="wrap_content" ?
Jun 12 18:17:21 <canvs2321> yeah
Jun 12 18:17:23 <TacticalJoke> Oh, the example uses it.  Weird.
Jun 12 18:17:43 <bubbely> yea lol
Jun 12 18:17:50 <bubbely> so ill fix the example without throwable
Jun 12 18:17:50 <toothpick> canvs2321: but it still goes to the center and not to the bottom
Jun 12 18:17:53 <toothpick> of the screen
Jun 12 18:17:53 <bubbely> but uh
Jun 12 18:17:56 <bubbely> what shold i replace throwable.printStackTrace(); <- that with?
Jun 12 18:18:12 <toothpick> canvs2321: goes to the center, not to the top *
Jun 12 18:18:16 <TacticalJoke> That'll still work.
Jun 12 18:18:19 <canvs2321> toothpick, post your layout maybe, you may want to specify a height and have the imageview scale the image
Jun 12 18:18:32 <canvs2321> or if using a linearlayout use weight or something,what else is in your layout
Jun 12 18:18:49 <wviana> Hello, does some one have tips about Proguard and the follow libraries: Retrofit, OKHttp, Otto, Gson ?
Jun 12 18:18:54 <toothpick> canvs2321: ive been told i should not use linear layout because some pictures overlay on eachother
Jun 12 18:19:00 <canvs2321> toothpick,but seems wasteful if the image is bigger than you need
Jun 12 18:19:21 <toothpick> canvs2321: how can i tell the image to go to the top of the screen and not to the center?
Jun 12 18:19:23 <canvs2321> toothpick, after downloading you can get the height of your bitmap and times it by density to set a height on your view
Jun 12 18:19:32 <canvs2321> toothpick,post your layout xml
Jun 12 18:19:37 <canvs2321> everything starts top left
Jun 12 18:19:44 <toothpick> canvs2321: ok
Jun 12 18:19:57 <canvs2321> unless you set gravitys or padding,margins etc
Jun 12 18:20:07 <toothpick> canvs2321: http://textuploader.com/nr7n
Jun 12 18:22:01 <canvs2321> can you show a screenshot, and those first two linearlayouts seem unnecessary
Jun 12 18:22:42 <canvs2321> and you don't need orientation on relativelayout, and quite a few other small quirks with that xml
Jun 12 18:23:55 <canvs2321> plus looks like the blueheader is packaged in your app, i'm confused,you said you are downloading it, if you set height to wrap_content you should already know the height you put in your app
Jun 12 18:25:04 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: u there?
Jun 12 18:25:09 <toothpick> canvs2321: so you mean i should manually set the height of each picture i add?
Jun 12 18:25:28 <canvs2321> plus if your police woman is always 130dp in height you can set your header to slightly larger, or set its bottom to the bottom of the police woman and add padding
Jun 12 18:26:29 <canvs2321> toothpick, the problem is i don't know what pictures you are talking about :/ all you have said/shown is a blue background header that you wanted. you are in control of your views, so gonna have to work on scaling your images either to fit, or wrapping your imageview to the images you download
Jun 12 18:27:42 <toothpick> canvs2321: my fear is that if i set its height to the correct size, the scale will change on another phone \ tablet or 90 degrees orientation
Jun 12 18:28:19 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: java.lang.SecurityException: Permission denied (missing INTERNET permission?)
Jun 12 18:30:53 <dex2goat> bubbely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0x6vIAtFcI
Jun 12 18:31:18 <bubbely> =/
Jun 12 18:31:38 <dex2goat> :|
Jun 12 18:32:14 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Google FTW.
Jun 12 18:33:23 <TacticalJoke> Google is the closest thing to a deity humanity has ever had.  Google is srsly underappreciated.
Jun 12 18:33:40 <canvs2321> toothpick, you can use different bucket layouts for different sized devices and orientations you know?
Jun 12 18:33:52 <g00s> TacticalJoke thats scary though, because knowledge == power, and only a few elite capitalists will have it
Jun 12 18:33:53 <TacticalJoke> http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html
Jun 12 18:33:55 <toothpick> canvs2321: oh
Jun 12 18:33:57 <toothpick> didnt know it
Jun 12 18:33:57 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jun 12 18:34:24 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: i see, the issue is my android app doesnt have web access
Jun 12 18:34:26 <TacticalJoke> It's funny how their first sentence is so similar to mine.  Coincidence?  Or divine intervention.  Y'all decide.
Jun 12 18:34:27 <bubbely> i mena, emulator
Jun 12 18:34:35 <canvs2321> toothpick,so there is layout/ , layout-land/ , layout-sw600dp/ , layout-sw600dp-land/ etc.
Jun 12 18:35:26 <canvs2321> toothpick, http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
Jun 12 18:36:14 <toothpick> canvs2321: nice, thanks very much :)
Jun 12 18:36:56 <canvs2321> yep, same goes for any /res/ you can set specific padding values based on size,orientation, different strings resources all that
Jun 12 18:42:19 <bubbely> can't find the answer on google
Jun 12 18:42:51 <TacticalJoke> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2378607/what-permission-do-i-need-to-access-internet-from-an-android-application
Jun 12 18:43:27 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: in a hundred years, when they can recreate human bodies, they'll need to recreate their minds: that's the real potential of all the personal data saved
Jun 12 18:43:46 <bubbely> Ok: here we go
Jun 12 18:44:04 <toothpick> back
Jun 12 18:44:51 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  Yeah, it seems that some people give out enough information to make that possible.  :D
Jun 12 18:44:57 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: same error
Jun 12 18:45:54 <bubbely> should that go in <application>
Jun 12 18:46:25 <TacticalJoke> No.
Jun 12 18:47:10 <TacticalJoke> In the 'manifest' tag.
Jun 12 18:48:29 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: the joy is that statistical informatics makes it possible to reconstruct with confidence what you will do because of what all the people you interact do,
Jun 12 18:48:32 <TacticalJoke> I'm worried for the teens today.  They post so much online; some of it will come back to haunt them.
Jun 12 18:48:43 <TacticalJoke> They're like an experiment.
Jun 12 18:48:45 <lasserix> you dont have to be a teen for that ;p
Jun 12 18:49:06 <TacticalJoke> True, but from what I've seen they're the worst by far.
Jun 12 18:50:36 <TacticalJoke> I can't blame them, though.  They don't have a clue what they're doing.  :D
Jun 12 18:50:55 <TacticalJoke> And they are encouraged (by friends, by the sites, etc.).
Jun 12 18:51:43 <bubbely> k
Jun 12 18:52:13 <g00s> TacticalJoke remember this http://readwrite.com/2010/08/16/google_ceo_suggests_you_change_your_name_to_escape
Jun 12 18:52:15 <bubbely> so, look: nor onresponse or onfailure
Jun 12 18:52:22 <g00s> i think thats why they dont let Schmitt talk any more
Jun 12 18:53:26 <g00s> he's busy Schmidt is busy visiting Obama weekly for lobying on Google's behalf
Jun 12 18:53:39 <g00s> http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/24/googles-lobbying-efforts-pay-off-with-nearly-weekly-meetings-at-the-white-house/
Jun 12 18:54:01 <applepi> Hi all..  I know this may not be exactly the right channel, but I figured this would be slightly more knowledgeable about adb than #android.
Jun 12 18:54:14 <applepi> I've got a note 2 that's bricked somehow, just giving me the grey and white lines at boot and hangs there forever.  I'm trying to recover some data off the internal MMC before trying to reflash it, but I can't seem to get it to be recognized by adb shell, I just get device not found.  Any suggestions?  I've got the SDK on this machine and the google USB drivers, but I cannot get it to show up for the life of me.
Jun 12 18:54:23 <g00s> applepi wrong channel, try #android-root
Jun 12 18:54:39 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Gawd, yeah, that does sound chilling.
Jun 12 18:54:51 <TacticalJoke> What's weird is that I remember YouTube, only a few years ago, telling people not to post their full names online.
Jun 12 18:54:57 <applepi> g00s, ooo thanks, I didn't know about android-root, thanks!  :)
Jun 12 18:55:00 <TacticalJoke> For privacy reasons.  Now we're strongly encouraged to.
Jun 12 18:55:20 <TacticalJoke> In fact, as far as I remember, you're basically told you have to (on YouTube).
Jun 12 18:55:56 <krnlyng> hi, i am trying to download the android source for 4.1.2 since a few days now, repo keeps freezing, and now it is at 99% and does nothing, what can i do other than kill it and run it again?
Jun 12 18:56:15 <krnlyng> is it possible to do the following (as some sort of android compability layer for non-android devices)? build android emulator target, build emulator renderer for arm, on target device chroot into the emulator target and run it, and on the same device run the renderer to get output from the chroot
Jun 12 18:56:46 <g00s> TacticalJoke on one hand, i can see things like IoT / smart city, etc helping the planet - but there needs to be strong regulation around privacy. At least in the US, NSA and data brokers have pretty much destroyed any hope the right things will happen there
Jun 12 18:57:00 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jun 12 18:57:11 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: what situation would cause neither of the callbacks to return
Jun 12 18:57:16 <g00s> this was just 3 days ago http://www.newsweek.com/nsa-surveillance-may-cost-us-tech-companies-more-35-billion-341168
Jun 12 18:57:58 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  What do you mean by "not return"?
Jun 12 18:58:38 <toothpick> How can i make a layout take only 25% of the screen?
Jun 12 18:59:49 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/X0TEVqwy big doesn't be "failed" or "uh" =p
Jun 12 18:59:54 <bubbely> (or "no")
Jun 12 19:00:09 <g00s> toothpick there are a few new classes PercentFrameLayout PercentRelativeLayout PercentLayoutHelper
Jun 12 19:00:21 <g00s> hm, not sure if they are in support lib yet
Jun 12 19:00:29 <krnlyng> i already tried:  sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0
Jun 12 19:00:31 <TacticalJoke> Use `Log.d("Whatever", "Called.");`.
Jun 12 19:01:00 <toothpick> g00s: i dont see them in android studio
Jun 12 19:01:04 <TacticalJoke> toothpick:  Otherwise you can use LinearLayout with layout_weight (using 1 and 3, I think).
Jun 12 19:01:27 <g00s> toothpick hmm. http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/37p6zq/percent_support_library_fractions_are_coming/
Jun 12 19:02:40 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: where should i put that
Jun 12 19:02:47 <toothpick> cool thanks you guys
Jun 12 19:03:06 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  In the two methods.
Jun 12 19:04:35 <bubbely> 06-12 12:03:11.506    4520-4549/? D/Whatever﹕ Called.
Jun 12 19:05:35 <TacticalJoke> You should probably change "Called" to the name of each method.  :D
Jun 12 19:07:02 <bubbely> k onresponse is called
Jun 12 19:08:06 <groxx> krnlyng: hm, not sure.  if you're not on an SSD though, I'd recommend giving it a try with `repo sync -j1`, since updating the filesystem with a bunch of jobs in parallel slows down hard drives to an absolute crawl
Jun 12 19:08:58 <krnlyng> groxx: thanks, will try that
Jun 12 19:09:12 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: com.squareup.okhttp.Call$RealResponseBody@a1f5716
Jun 12 19:10:02 <bubbely> that's my resposne.body().tostring
Jun 12 19:10:17 <TacticalJoke> s/toString/string/
Jun 12 19:10:52 <bubbely> yay
Jun 12 19:10:52 <bubbely> fixed
Jun 12 19:11:24 <silas> For some reason, when I try to build an Android app with ant, it looks for aapt in current directory (not android tools directory).  What I am missing?
Jun 12 19:11:27 <silas> Any environment variable?
Jun 12 19:14:49 <krnlyng> groxx: now it hangs at 84%...
Jun 12 19:14:59 <FilipOMG> Hi! i'm a beginner trying to do my first app, i need to get some json data, and the guide i'm following uses DefaultHttPClient , but Android Studio says is deprecated, should i still use DefaultHttPClient
Jun 12 19:15:01 <krnlyng> and if i restart it it will probably hang at some point again...
Jun 12 19:15:06 <dex2goat> alias: $ANDROID_HOME?
Jun 12 19:15:11 <dex2goat> silas*
Jun 12 19:15:26 <groxx> krnlyng: is there any filesystem activity?
Jun 12 19:16:37 <TacticalJoke> FilipOMG:  OkHttp is better than both.
Jun 12 19:17:02 <krnlyng> groxx: the virtualbox icon for file activity blinks every other second
Jun 12 19:17:25 <TacticalJoke> Uber alles!
Jun 12 19:17:49 <lasserix> Anyone notice alpha problems on xxx or lollipop?
Jun 12 19:18:20 <krnlyng> groxx: and i just tried it on my host system, it hangs at 84% too
Jun 12 19:18:50 <TacticalJoke> I'm like an OkHttp advertisement today.
Jun 12 19:19:22 <krnlyng> and i think i am not just impatient, i let it run over night a few days ago
Jun 12 19:20:06 <groxx> FilipOMG: stick with it for a _tutorial_, but I would strongly recommend not using it in anything else.  the M preview has removed it entirely, apparently, so they're quite serious about getting rid of it.
Jun 12 19:20:07 <TacticalJoke> Try OkHttp and your life will be better -- guaranteed.  Or your money back.  (Disclaimer: Money is returned via BitCoin[tm].)
Jun 12 19:20:16 <TacticalJoke> Oops, "Bitcoin".
Jun 12 19:20:20 <silas> dex2goat: android hoje is correctly set to where android-sdk-linux
Jun 12 19:20:39 <groxx> FilipOMG: and yeah.  OkHttp is the future and present (OkHttp _is_ the underlying http library in KitKat and newer, it's just not exposed directly)
Jun 12 19:21:38 <Muchoz> I just updated to the latest Android M preview and now I'm getting 'aidl is missing' every time I try to compile. Everything I find tells me to downgrade, but I want to target Android M.
Jun 12 19:22:01 <g00s> mucho lol
Jun 12 19:22:04 <Muchoz> It worked great in the first release candidate of M.
Jun 12 19:22:32 <FilipOMG> I think I'll try to use OkHTTP if you guys say it's better. Is the VCS control from Android Studio good or should i do it manually ? I want to get familiarized with git too
Jun 12 19:22:56 <TacticalJoke> Either Git or Mercurial.
Jun 12 19:23:06 <JesusFreke> I generally just do git on the command line
Jun 12 19:23:06 <TacticalJoke> The built-in change management (whatever you call it) is not enough for serious programming.
Jun 12 19:23:08 <g00s> i'm not going to worry about M until M.0.x where x > 2
Jun 12 19:23:16 <TacticalJoke> Oh, you mean *that* VCS control.
Jun 12 19:23:17 <g00s> because thats when its really in beta
Jun 12 19:23:26 <dex2goat> silas: have you tried running: android update project -p .
Jun 12 19:23:40 <JesusFreke> although, the one feature that I *love* is "show history for selection"
Jun 12 19:23:55 <TacticalJoke> I gave up with Android Studio's VCS thing.  Though some people would probably like it.
Jun 12 19:24:00 <TacticalJoke> I just didn't find much benefit.
Jun 12 19:24:05 <JesusFreke> it will show the commits the touched the piece of code that you have selected
Jun 12 19:24:10 <TacticalJoke> Then again, my hg environment is the result of years of tinkering.  :D
Jun 12 19:24:16 <g00s> i use AS git integration just to tell me what changed
Jun 12 19:24:27 <JesusFreke> the commits that touched*
Jun 12 19:24:36 <TacticalJoke> I even wrote some of the tools I use with Mercurial (e.g., a really specialized diff viewer).
Jun 12 19:24:49 <Muchoz> Basically all of the Git GUIs beside the merge tools suck compared to the cli imo.
Jun 12 19:24:52 <TacticalJoke> One inspired by vim-diff.
Jun 12 19:25:32 <g00s> gitup is pretty nice
Jun 12 19:26:13 <g00s> http://gitup.co/
Jun 12 19:26:42 <g00s> SourceTree is nice too
Jun 12 19:26:48 <silas> dex2goat: no way :-/
Jun 12 19:27:13 <dex2goat> no way you're gonna try it, or?
Jun 12 19:27:17 <dex2goat> :|
Jun 12 19:27:20 <bubbely> hey... why is it that Log.d("Whatever: Worked: ", response.body().string()); prints the entire string but when i set big to big = response.body().string(); it just doesnt?
Jun 12 19:27:21 <FilipOMG> My project is to have a screen where the users would press it and then get a joke from /r/jokes. Is this a good app as my first app ?
Jun 12 19:27:37 <hTmlDP> hey
Jun 12 19:27:43 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: hola
Jun 12 19:27:52 <dex2goat> htmldoublepenetration
Jun 12 19:27:55 <icedp> so what do you guys think of this React Native thing?
Jun 12 19:27:56 <hTmlDP> i use the view.animation() method in my app.
Jun 12 19:28:04 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Taking your question literally, you're comparing a Log.d call to a variable assignment.
Jun 12 19:28:09 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: heterosexualmetallicaloverdoublepenetration?
Jun 12 19:28:17 <hTmlDP> nais
Jun 12 19:28:23 <dex2goat> +1
Jun 12 19:28:45 <bubbely> well, TacticalJoke, im trying to set the variable to the output of log.d
Jun 12 19:29:17 <bubbely> Log.d works in my callback, but not varaible assignments
Jun 12 19:29:18 <hTmlDP> <hTmlDP> i use the view.animation() method in my app. <---- how can i make it not cause java.lang.NoSuchMethodError on older systems?
Jun 12 19:29:29 <hTmlDP> i just want to disable it
Jun 12 19:29:31 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  The output of Log.d?
Jun 12 19:29:51 <TacticalJoke> I guess you mean "the result of `response.body().string()`".
Jun 12 19:30:06 <bubbely> Yes.
Jun 12 19:30:09 <bubbely> log.d prints it
Jun 12 19:30:35 <bubbely> Also: Like I said, Log.D prints "whatever worked" but if in that callback i set a variable to "worked" and try printing it outside of the callback the variable doesnt say 'worked'
Jun 12 19:30:45 <bubbely> Thats the functionality im going for
Jun 12 19:30:59 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: view.animation() ?
Jun 12 19:31:08 <bubbely> so i can access teh variable outside the callback :)
Jun 12 19:31:09 <TacticalJoke> I guess you're trying to print the variable *before* onResponse is called.
Jun 12 19:31:13 <TacticalJoke> This is async ish.
Jun 12 19:31:22 <bubbely> hrm
Jun 12 19:31:32 <hTmlDP> ah im sorry i meant animate()
Jun 12 19:31:33 <bubbely> i put it right where log.d is?
Jun 12 19:31:35 <hTmlDP> =D
Jun 12 19:31:45 <dex2goat> what's your minimum SDK?
Jun 12 19:32:57 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  In case you don't know, Call.enqueue (like any asynchronous method) schedules stuff to happen at some time in the future.
Jun 12 19:33:07 <TacticalJoke> It might happen 10 years from now.
Jun 12 19:33:11 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I'm exaggerating.
Jun 12 19:33:26 <bubbely> lol
Jun 12 19:33:36 <bubbely> ok well. why does log.d print it but not a basic variable assignment
Jun 12 19:33:44 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: 8
Jun 12 19:33:50 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: http://nineoldandroids.com/
Jun 12 19:33:53 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Maybe you should post the code.
Jun 12 19:34:07 <dex2goat> deprecated of course
Jun 12 19:34:15 <dex2goat> and you should switch to api 14+ :|
Jun 12 19:34:57 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: i have FroYo in my left hand right now =p
Jun 12 19:35:10 <dex2goat> 1995 just called
Jun 12 19:35:13 <dex2goat> they want their stuff back
Jun 12 19:35:43 <dex2goat> why are you doing that to yourself?
Jun 12 19:36:14 <TacticalJoke> Including the Java language.  (Just kidding.  {Kinda.})
Jun 12 19:36:24 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: and kitkat on my desk =d
Jun 12 19:36:39 <dex2goat> are you a collector or someth? :|
Jun 12 19:36:43 <hTmlDP> nah =d
Jun 12 19:36:53 <hTmlDP> htc wildfire was my first android phone
Jun 12 19:37:03 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/i5PvVVuq <- iwant the variable big equal to the value of response.body.string that is displayed in Log.d
Jun 12 19:37:52 <bubbely> it resolves to nothing
Jun 12 19:37:54 <bubbely> in this sitaution
Jun 12 19:38:03 <dex2goat> bubbely: body is an inputstream
Jun 12 19:38:09 <g00s> was reading Xiaomi might buy HTC
Jun 12 19:38:13 <dex2goat> can probably be read only once
Jun 12 19:38:17 <TacticalJoke> Async stuff doesn't work like that.  onResponse may be called at any time.
Jun 12 19:38:25 <silas> dex2goat: I tried the command, but it didn't change anything.
Jun 12 19:38:28 <TacticalJoke> You can't do stuff till onResponse is called.
Jun 12 19:38:31 <hTmlDP> isn't it posible to "hide" view.animate() on froyo?
Jun 12 19:38:50 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: you can do if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT > WHATEVER) {  ... }
Jun 12 19:38:59 <hTmlDP> hmm rather on everything older than honeycomb_mr1
Jun 12 19:39:05 <TacticalJoke> This is inescapable when doing network stuff.
Jun 12 19:39:06 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: doesn't seem to work
Jun 12 19:39:07 <hTmlDP> :|
Jun 12 19:39:23 <dex2goat> describe does not work
Jun 12 19:39:47 <bubbely> I don't understand why log.d works but not a variable assignment.
Jun 12 19:39:49 <TacticalJoke> Oh, I missed that.  Yeah, can't consume the body twice.
Jun 12 19:39:59 <hTmlDP> lol nvm
Jun 12 19:40:04 <hTmlDP> just a typo
Jun 12 19:40:11 <hTmlDP> typed <= instead of >=
Jun 12 19:40:12 <bubbely> Well TacticalJoke: If I take out log.d it still doesn't work
Jun 12 19:40:21 <dex2goat> kewl
Jun 12 19:40:28 <hTmlDP> =d
Jun 12 19:40:31 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that's probably the async thing.
Jun 12 19:40:35 <bubbely> =/
Jun 12 19:40:43 <bubbely> what exactly is Log.D
Jun 12 19:40:50 <dex2goat> what is happening
Jun 12 19:41:06 <dex2goat> this is some weird shape of pair programming
Jun 12 19:41:31 <TacticalJoke> Log.d when you're trying to use `big` and when you're getting `onResponse`.  If the former shows before the latter, you dun goofed.
Jun 12 19:41:52 <TacticalJoke> In any case, you gotta just wait for onResponse.
Jun 12 19:42:52 <dex2goat> and then just shipit.
Jun 12 19:43:03 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: hm.
Jun 12 19:43:18 <Agamemnus> GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!
Jun 12 19:43:24 <dex2goat> http://media.giphy.com/media/143vPc6b08locw/giphy.gif
Jun 12 19:43:43 <Agamemnus> I'm #9 under jigsaw. If you select the family-friendly filter.
Jun 12 19:43:49 <TacticalJoke> haha
Jun 12 19:43:51 <Agamemnus> 7 cent profit today.
Jun 12 19:44:05 <dex2goat> w00t
Jun 12 19:44:09 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: how do i preserve response.body from onResponse
Jun 12 19:44:13 <Agamemnus> *dance monkey dance*
Jun 12 19:44:17 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: (after its done called)
Jun 12 19:44:29 <TacticalJoke> Preserve?
Jun 12 19:44:44 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: I mean, I want to use the value of teh variable outside of onResponse (specifically, after onresponse is called)
Jun 12 19:44:48 <TacticalJoke> You have to refuse to do anything until onResponse is called.
Jun 12 19:44:55 <hTmlDP> hmm how can this adapter http://lpst.tk/?UWBP crash the app with java.util.ConcurrentModificationException?
Jun 12 19:45:02 <hTmlDP> any ideas to avoid this?
Jun 12 19:45:08 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: how
Jun 12 19:45:14 <hTmlDP> happens only on that htc =d
Jun 12 19:45:49 <TacticalJoke> In my app, for example, some object publishes a "download ready" event to subscribers.
Jun 12 19:45:58 <bubbely> ok
Jun 12 19:46:01 <TacticalJoke> They then go to town with the data.
Jun 12 19:46:19 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: your changeDataSet() method is very weird
Jun 12 19:46:27 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: why?
Jun 12 19:46:35 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: it's used to update the sources.
Jun 12 19:46:35 <dex2goat> can you explain the clone()pocalypse over there?
Jun 12 19:46:43 <hTmlDP> yeah i can
Jun 12 19:47:03 <dex2goat> also please post the stacktrace
Jun 12 19:47:07 <hTmlDP> it's used to clone the hashmaps because they're
Jun 12 19:47:09 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: Ok, so here's what I want. The value of response.body().string() in a variable i can use after onResponse is called. how do i do this
Jun 12 19:47:10 <hTmlDP> k
Jun 12 19:47:25 <TacticalJoke> When will you use it?
Jun 12 19:48:18 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: right after the value is arrived and completely dwonloaded
Jun 12 19:48:49 <TacticalJoke> What do you need to do with this data?  Show it in the UI?
Jun 12 19:49:27 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: yeah, that's teh first step in my process just to see how it works. eventually what im use the data from the website i access (a .txt file) to add features to my app that involve sql stuff
Jun 12 19:50:22 <TacticalJoke> If you're wanting to do UI stuff then you'll have to come back to the main thread.
Jun 12 19:50:24 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: the stacktrace: http://lpst.tk/?XxCP
Jun 12 19:51:12 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: I call "run" from my main thread
Jun 12 19:51:24 <TacticalJoke> Handler.post is probably the best way.  Activity.runOnUiThread (which calls Handler.post) is a possibility.
Jun 12 19:51:35 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: happens only when im scrolling the listview while updating.
Jun 12 19:51:39 <TacticalJoke> onSuccess doesn't run on the main thread.
Jun 12 19:51:47 <TacticalJoke> omResponse*
Jun 12 19:51:55 <TacticalJoke> n*
Jun 12 19:52:04 <bubbely> i have a global variable in onResponse
Jun 12 19:52:08 <bubbely> (big)
Jun 12 19:52:17 <bubbely> and i cant set its value for some reason (in onresponse or onfailure)
Jun 12 19:52:28 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: I wanted to use that variable back in my main thread
Jun 12 19:52:40 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: regardless of the exception, you are not managing or recycling views properly. since your getview() method inflates multiple different views, you should make use of the getViewTypeCount() and getItemViewType() methods in your adapter.
Jun 12 19:52:52 <dex2goat> also, why are you cloning all these maps?
Jun 12 19:52:58 <bubbely> ...
Jun 12 19:53:25 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  See what I said above.
Jun 12 19:54:01 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: confusing
Jun 12 19:54:22 <TacticalJoke> Note that this issue applies no matter what.  You cannot do networking stuff on the main thread on Android.  (In other words, you would've had the same issue with HttpURLConnection.)
Jun 12 19:54:30 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: I see.
Jun 12 19:54:32 <toothpick> Instead of settings heights and widths of images in the design, can i set a relative size according to the screen? or to another element ?
Jun 12 19:54:40 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: How do I take this back to the maintrhead then
Jun 12 19:55:10 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: because i had some trouble because of editing sources without notifyDataSetChanged
Jun 12 19:55:29 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: im sorry, im new to android/java dev
Jun 12 19:55:30 <TacticalJoke> Handler.post is probably the best way.  Activity.runOnUiThread (which calls Handler.post) is a possibility.
Jun 12 19:56:17 <TacticalJoke> Or you could use Call.execute with AsyncTask (not recommended).
Jun 12 19:57:21 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: clone() creates a shallow copy of an object, which you are most likely modifying the values from somewhere else even after they are set.
Jun 12 19:57:57 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: how can i fix it?
Jun 12 19:58:03 <dex2goat> if you have have map that has a list value, and you clone that map, if you modify the original list it will affect both
Jun 12 19:58:19 <hTmlDP> uhmmm kay..
Jun 12 19:58:23 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: are you saying use Handler.post to call run
Jun 12 19:58:32 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: any recommendations?
Jun 12 19:58:38 <TacticalJoke> Not to call `run`.
Jun 12 19:58:47 <TacticalJoke> I have to go in a moment.
Jun 12 19:58:53 <bubbely> quick answer?
Jun 12 19:58:57 <dex2goat> once you called changeDataSet(x, y, z, ...) do not modify these collections anymore
Jun 12 19:59:12 <dex2goat> and remove all the clone() stuff
Jun 12 19:59:45 <dex2goat> does that make sense to you?
Jun 12 19:59:49 <silas> dex2goat: found it.  the problem is that I needed to set the location of the tool in ant.properties file.  Setting ANDROID_HOME was not enough.  Thanks!
Jun 12 20:00:07 <dex2goat> silas: no worries
Jun 12 20:00:23 <TacticalJoke> Quick answer: call Handler.post with a Runnable that accesses the data in onResponse.
Jun 12 20:01:13 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: the problem is that my listview is updated dynamically.
Jun 12 20:01:35 <dex2goat> where does the data come from?
Jun 12 20:02:09 <TacticalJoke> That's "call Handler.post... in onResponse".
Jun 12 20:02:20 <bubbely> k
Jun 12 20:03:34 <dex2goat> hTmlDP: by the way, regarding recycling and multiple view types - read this later: http://android.amberfog.com/?p=296
Jun 12 20:03:48 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: okay, i've fixed it.
Jun 12 20:03:57 <hTmlDP> dex2goat: i will :)
Jun 12 20:04:12 <hTmlDP> any good tutorials for writing clean java/android code?
Jun 12 20:04:35 <TacticalJoke> Step 1: Use Kotlin.  :D
Jun 12 20:04:56 <dex2goat> I think Effective Java by Joshua Bloch is a must read
Jun 12 20:05:19 <TacticalJoke> Just kidding, but I've not really seen one (unless it's about a specific aspect of design).
Jun 12 20:14:09 <asarazan> Anybody have opinions on running tests in CI vs pre-commit hooks?
Jun 12 20:15:58 <dex2goat> asarazan: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/a/260780
Jun 12 20:16:02 <dex2goat> looks like a nice discussion
Jun 12 20:17:26 <asarazan> thanks dex2goat -- glad to see I'm not crazy
Jun 12 20:17:42 <asarazan> people on reddit have weird opinions
Jun 12 20:18:13 <dex2goat> well
Jun 12 20:18:20 <dex2goat> Java can do that to you.
Jun 12 20:19:49 <groxx> asarazan: yeah, that link does sound right.  plus, doing it in CI means you can parallelize it easily and let people get on with their lives while it runs, instead of blocking the `git push` and everything that might depend on it
Jun 12 20:20:29 <chaosagent> hei
Jun 12 20:20:29 <chaosagent> so
Jun 12 20:20:35 <dex2goat> \o/
Jun 12 20:21:05 <chaosagent> im trying to make a search bar to get input to filter a gridview
Jun 12 20:21:26 <chaosagent> but the search box doesnt appear when i hit the search button in the actionbar
Jun 12 20:21:54 <chaosagent> any ideas?
Jun 12 20:22:07 <dex2goat> fuck actionbars
Jun 12 20:22:11 <dex2goat> use a toolbar
Jun 12 20:22:19 <chaosagent> butbutbut the shadow
Jun 12 20:22:25 <dex2goat> ah cmon
Jun 12 20:23:03 <dex2goat> anyway, if you wanna live in the past, here's a post from 2013: http://novoda.com/blog/styling-actionbar-searchview
Jun 12 20:24:02 <chaosagent> thx
Jun 12 20:24:04 <dex2goat> np
Jun 12 20:27:29 <FilipOMG> can somebody look on my try to parse Json? http://pastebin.com/2cq8A1kY and http://pastebin.com/iSk4vkXE
Jun 12 20:27:33 <FilipOMG> that's what i have by now
Jun 12 20:27:57 <dex2goat> FilipOMG: Are you trying to receive some JSON data from a REST API?
Jun 12 20:28:14 <groxx> FilipOMG: you might want request.body().toString() ?
Jun 12 20:28:32 <drose379> Got a question guys, what if I want to pass a custom object through an intent or bundle
Jun 12 20:28:56 <dex2goat> drose379: It has to be either Parcelable or Serializable, the former preferably for performance reasons.
Jun 12 20:29:12 <dex2goat> FilipOMG: Any reason for not using Retrofit? http://square.github.io/retrofit/
Jun 12 20:29:37 <drose379> Im a little confused about Parcelable, if you make a object parcelable what does it mean?
Jun 12 20:29:58 <dex2goat> that it can be serialized and carried as an extra with your intents.
Jun 12 20:30:13 <dex2goat> and also de-serialized back to the original form when it is retrieved.
Jun 12 20:30:24 <drose379> I have a MaterialDialog
Jun 12 20:30:33 <groxx> drose379: it's just a kind of serialization.  the built-in java serialization is relatively slow.
Jun 12 20:30:44 <FilipOMG> I'm not really sure what is REST. I haven't heard about retrofit before, I'll look into that
Jun 12 20:30:45 <drose379> If I dont extend the MaterialDialog class, can i make the object parcelable
Jun 12 20:30:59 <FilipOMG> it's my first project
Jun 12 20:31:17 <groxx> FilipOMG: then keep it simple :)  JSONObject works, it's just a bit annoying.
Jun 12 20:31:27 <FilipOMG> and @groxx , you are right, i should use .body.toString();
Jun 12 20:31:41 <groxx> but probably better than adding a bunch of libraries that do <who knows what> and then wondering where the problem is if you have a problem
Jun 12 20:32:02 <drose379> hey guys do material dialogs come with the SDK now?
Jun 12 20:32:10 <dex2goat> FilipOMG: even so, Retrofit uses GSON by default to map JSON the desired objects. You can use GSON manually as well.
Jun 12 20:32:13 <chaosagent> dex2goat: that link doesnt help with my problem of the search box not appearing though
Jun 12 20:32:40 <dex2goat> chaosagent: seems like they manage to get it to work, can't you compare your setup with theirs?
Jun 12 20:33:29 <g00s> drose379 they are in the support lib
Jun 12 20:33:39 <drose379> Ok cool
Jun 12 20:33:58 <drose379> g00s so if I want to pass a MaterialDialog through a bundle, I have to make it parcelabl
Jun 12 20:34:00 <drose379> parcelable
Jun 12 20:34:02 <Napalm> dex2goat: he already has gson
Jun 12 20:34:14 <g00s> drose379 pass a dialog through a bundle, what !?
Jun 12 20:34:24 <g00s> thats busted, don't do that
Jun 12 20:34:24 <dex2goat> Napalm: ah just noticed
Jun 12 20:34:29 <drose379> Open it from one activity, close it in another
Jun 12 20:34:36 <g00s> no, thats crazy
Jun 12 20:34:45 <g00s> rethink your UI
Jun 12 20:34:48 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 20:34:52 <drose379> Oh alright, I got another question for you guys
Jun 12 20:35:08 <drose379> Ive been working on a project for a while now
Jun 12 20:35:19 <drose379> And as im going, and learning more, im realizing that my project is kinda messy
Jun 12 20:35:26 <drose379> And un-organized
Jun 12 20:35:39 <drose379> I'm thinking about re-writing it from the bottom up
Jun 12 20:35:42 <Napalm> drose379: yes, material dialogs art in the v7 app compat library.. named AlertDialog to replace the platform standard one
Jun 12 20:35:42 <dex2goat> shipit
Jun 12 20:35:51 <drose379> Ok cool
Jun 12 20:35:57 <dex2goat> no j/k
Jun 12 20:35:59 <drose379> dex2goat ship it haha
Jun 12 20:36:35 <drose379> But do you guys think a re-write is a good idea
Jun 12 20:36:54 <g00s> depends if you suffer from second systems effect
Jun 12 20:37:00 <dex2goat> that highly depends on your goals
Jun 12 20:37:01 <drose379> whats that
Jun 12 20:37:05 * Napalm murmur's in a trance, "I see a never ending project in drose379's future...."
Jun 12 20:37:21 <drose379> haha why Napalm?
Jun 12 20:37:32 <FilipOMG> I have looked now into REST and Retrofit but it's kinda over my head
Jun 12 20:37:36 <Napalm> rewrite... rewrite... rewrite... rewrite... rewrite... rewrite...
Jun 12 20:37:42 <g00s> drose379 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month#The_second-system_effect
Jun 12 20:37:43 <drose379> Ive never re-written it hto
Jun 12 20:37:45 <Napalm> the never ending march of the programmer
Jun 12 20:38:13 <drose379> Ok g00s so just dont over-engineer it
Jun 12 20:38:15 <Napalm> drose379: we are just pulling-your-leg
Jun 12 20:38:20 <Napalm> rewrite it if you want
Jun 12 20:38:45 <drose379> Well when I started it I really knew next to nothing
Jun 12 20:38:45 <Napalm> if its just a learning experience.. then all the better
Jun 12 20:38:55 <Napalm> and now just a little more than nothing
Jun 12 20:38:57 <Napalm> gotcha
Jun 12 20:39:02 <drose379> Right
Jun 12 20:39:06 <Napalm> :D
Jun 12 20:39:10 <drose379> aha
Jun 12 20:39:28 <drose379> Well what I was saying is I think I know enough to improve it greatly
Jun 12 20:39:51 <dex2goat> you could share some details about your setup
Jun 12 20:39:55 <dex2goat> and what you plan on improving
Jun 12 20:40:02 <dex2goat> we might be able to produce some feedback
Jun 12 20:40:06 <dex2goat> then you can shipit
Jun 12 20:40:27 <drose379> Well I just learned about BroadcastReceiver
Jun 12 20:40:32 <drose379> And LocalBroadcastManager
Jun 12 20:40:46 <drose379> I would use those all around I think, instead of Callback interfaces everywhere
Jun 12 20:41:09 <dex2goat> mmm
Jun 12 20:41:31 <dex2goat> what kind of stuff do you plan on transferring through those pipes?
Jun 12 20:41:46 <drose379> Everythng would be the same, just way more organized
Jun 12 20:41:50 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 20:42:00 <drose379> And I think im doing a lot of work in the activity class
Jun 12 20:42:03 <Napalm> organisation is not shoving everything into a bucket
Jun 12 20:42:04 <drose379> That should be inside a helper class
Jun 12 20:42:15 <dex2goat> avoid broadcasts like the plague
Jun 12 20:42:20 <Napalm> drose379: what would you use LocalBroadcastManager for
Jun 12 20:42:23 <dex2goat> use an event bus / rxjava
Jun 12 20:42:32 <dex2goat> do not share dialogs between different components
Jun 12 20:42:38 <drose379> No its not about that haha
Jun 12 20:43:12 <drose379> Napalm I'd use it for calling back to activities, from helper classes
Jun 12 20:43:27 <Napalm> helper classes :|
Jun 12 20:43:34 <drose379> ?
Jun 12 20:43:50 <drose379> Just classes that do work and return data to the activity
Jun 12 20:43:53 <Napalm> it sounds like you have lots of helper classes..
Jun 12 20:44:04 <drose379> Right now I have none.. Thats the issue
Jun 12 20:44:10 <drose379> All the stuff is shoved inside the activity
Jun 12 20:44:34 <Napalm> yes seperation of the responsibility of objects is something to do
Jun 12 20:44:40 <Napalm> but broadcasts are for what they say
Jun 12 20:44:43 <drose379> And I would use Broadcasts to communicate
Jun 12 20:44:44 <Napalm> "broadcasting"
Jun 12 20:44:52 <Napalm> not single channel communication
Jun 12 20:45:03 <drose379> So your saying I should use callback interface
Jun 12 20:45:11 <Napalm> drose379: if you have lots of views or objects that needed the information.. thats what a broadcast is for
Jun 12 20:45:44 <drose379> Ok, so what about giving data back to a single actiivity?
Jun 12 20:45:55 <groxx> well, also, just don't ever use LocalBroadcastManager.  horrible system.
Jun 12 20:46:05 <Napalm> indeed
Jun 12 20:46:08 <Napalm> but that wasnt the point here
Jun 12 20:46:19 <Napalm> broadcasting/event-bus in general
Jun 12 20:46:40 <drose379> So whats the preffered way to call back to an activity
Jun 12 20:46:50 <Napalm> depends on what you are doing
Jun 12 20:46:58 <drose379> What are the options
Jun 12 20:48:16 <drose379> Callback interface?
Jun 12 20:48:51 <Napalm> as i said.. it all deepends on what your doing
Jun 12 20:48:55 <Napalm> so... what are you doing
Jun 12 20:48:58 <Napalm> explain
Jun 12 20:49:21 <drose379> For example I make a Http request, run the data, and give it back to my activity to display
Jun 12 20:49:36 <drose379> Making the request and organizing the data would be done in the seperate class
Jun 12 20:50:24 <Napalm> sounds like a callback is just fine.. you might want to cache your result and also have a getter or some state to indicate how fresh the data is
Jun 12 20:50:44 <drose379> Ok, a callback
Jun 12 20:50:57 <drose379> Should all HTTP requests be done in a seperate class?
Jun 12 20:51:15 <Napalm> pretty much
Jun 12 20:51:21 <Napalm> but the question is vague
Jun 12 20:51:33 <drose379> Ok, so strictly view manipulation should go in the activity?
Jun 12 20:51:40 <Napalm> Activities have a life-cycle that is not the same as your HTTP request
Jun 12 20:51:48 <Napalm> you need to bring the two together
Jun 12 20:51:50 <drose379> Right
Jun 12 20:53:19 <drose379> Ok, gonna get going on this
Jun 12 20:53:49 <drose379> Actually, a UI question for you guys
Jun 12 20:54:17 <drose379> So right now I have categories, and when you click a category, it drops a child list of subjects
Jun 12 20:54:26 <drose379> That uses a hashmap
Jun 12 20:54:40 <drose379> Would it be nicer to have a large card with the category name at the top
Jun 12 20:54:50 <drose379> Then a listview inside of the category card, of each subject
Jun 12 20:58:07 <android-dev545> Does anyone have any documentation or knowledge on how incoming text messages are indexed by android? Is the incoming message assigned 0 in the index and the rest are n+1, or am I missing something here?
Jun 12 20:58:39 <Napalm> android-dev545: why does it matter? they are just id's
Jun 12 20:58:49 <Napalm> its an auto inc value in the database
Jun 12 20:59:02 <Napalm> but a upgrade might reset it or reorganise them
Jun 12 20:59:16 <Napalm> they just have to match for internal reasons
Jun 12 20:59:38 <Napalm> android-dev545: you should just be treating them as opaque values
Jun 12 20:59:48 <groxx> android-dev545: depends.  newer ones have auto-increment, older ones do not.
Jun 12 21:00:45 <groxx> and oems can do whatever they like, so even that's not guaranteed.
Jun 12 21:01:10 <android-dev545> Alright, that makes sense. Reason I was asking is I'm trying to write a receiver to listen for an incoming text message from a particular originating address and if that returns true, open up an activity. Best thing I've found so far to do that is to iterate through the existing messages, which I'm trying to avoid doing.
Jun 12 21:01:33 <Napalm> waaaa?
Jun 12 21:01:54 <Napalm> im not even going to go there
Jun 12 21:01:55 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 21:03:45 <android-dev545> Haha, yeah, I know, conceptually it needs reworking
Jun 12 21:03:58 <groxx> android-dev545: if you know the number, you can just check for its thread.  until the thread has _contents_ it may disappear and get a new thread ID, but you can re-check whenever the db changes.  then just look for messages in that thread id (which has an index)
Jun 12 21:05:46 <android-dev545> groxx: that sounds like a great idea, thanks for that suggestion. much better than what i was trying to do
Jun 12 21:05:46 <groxx> android-dev545: http://androidxref.com/5.1.0_r1/xref/packages/providers/TelephonyProvider/src/com/android/providers/telephony/ is pretty much the only documentation for the database, sadly. and it changes between OS versions.
Jun 12 21:06:38 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Yeah, I'm semi-here.
Jun 12 21:06:42 <groxx> conversations uri + "?simple=true" gets you the canonical_addresses table, which will exist if there's a thread (but the reverse is not true.  also depends on the OS version + timing, sometimes you'll have thread IDs for threads that don't exist.)
Jun 12 21:07:05 <TacticalJoke> This (from the 1.3.0-beta1 plugin release notes) is interesting:  "Run javac on main and test sources, even if useJack is true."
Jun 12 21:09:16 <android-dev545> Hmmm, well I'm going to pour over this and work on a better solution based on that information. Thanks for your help groxx :)
Jun 12 21:10:52 <Mavrik-> Evenin
Jun 12 21:11:05 <groxx> Aftern'n
Jun 12 21:12:46 <pakcjo> Hello, I have a call to Log.d inside onSaveInstanceState() of my activity which is never get called (can't see it in the logs), but onCreate sometimes has bundle != null, as I understand, for bundle to be != null onSaveInstanceState must been have called first, right?
Jun 12 21:13:35 <groxx> pakcjo: is the tag > 23 characters, or the message really long?  sometimes they'll just get silently dropped
Jun 12 21:13:51 <TacticalJoke> I think it's also dropped if the message is null (which is terrible).
Jun 12 21:13:57 <groxx> that does ring a bell
Jun 12 21:14:21 <pakcjo> groxx: no, tag is the name of the activity and msg is just "ABCD"
Jun 12 21:14:25 <groxx> and some devices drop _everything_!
Jun 12 21:14:43 <groxx> do you get other Log.d output?
Jun 12 21:14:48 <Napalm> pakcjo: you probably have the wrong onSaveInstanceState
Jun 12 21:15:15 <Napalm> pakcjo: does your method have a PersistableBundle as a parameter? if so.. you have the wrong one
Jun 12 21:15:29 <groxx> aah.  they added that too?
Jun 12 21:15:35 <Napalm> yes
Jun 12 21:15:44 <pakcjo> Napalm: no, it doesn't
Jun 12 21:15:47 <groxx> makes sense I guess.
Jun 12 21:16:10 <pakcjo>  public void onSaveInstanceState (Bundle savedInstanceState) {
Jun 12 21:16:12 <TacticalJoke> pakcjo:  Disable all filters and type (in the search box) the tag or "ABCD".
Jun 12 21:16:36 <Mavrik> (or use breakpoints)
Jun 12 21:16:44 <Mavrik> (printf debugging is for people from 1969)
Jun 12 21:16:56 <Napalm> pakcjo: go into developer options on your device and choose "Don't keep activities" and then try again
Jun 12 21:17:12 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  Not necessarily.  Breakpoints are too tedious for some things.
Jun 12 21:17:21 <TacticalJoke> Here, either works, but sometimes using Log is better.
Jun 12 21:17:35 <Napalm> Mavrik: some things are timing orientented and so you cannot break
Jun 12 21:17:36 <pakcjo> Napalm: already on
Jun 12 21:17:57 <Mavrik> Napalm, he's checking if onSaveInstanceStateRuns.
Jun 12 21:17:59 <Mavrik> He'll be fine.
Jun 12 21:18:07 <Mavrik> Don't be nitpicky.
Jun 12 21:18:14 <Napalm> pakcjo: then open a terminal/command-prompt and load "adb logcat" and see the raw unfiltered log
Jun 12 21:21:14 <groxx> when are breakpoints more tedious than logs?
Jun 12 21:22:00 <Mavrik> groxx, tight loops, performance critical code (e.g. touch events, redraws) and multithreaded code (breakpoints break ordering)
Jun 12 21:22:00 <groxx> they don't even require rebuilding your app
Jun 12 21:23:12 <groxx> ah. yeah, but that's also often a bad place to put logs, e.g. the logs have memory synchronization effects in multithreaded code, possibly changing its behavior
Jun 12 21:27:22 <pakcjo> strange, it seems that my onSaveInstanceState is not getting called at all, I get the state at onCreate but can't get anything out of it
Jun 12 21:29:57 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  Wouldn't that affect only buggy code?  In any case, if we need to figure out what's going on, what else can we do?  Breakpoints don't work in all cases, and they can be tedious even when they do work (e.g., loops).
Jun 12 21:30:38 <TacticalJoke> pakcjo:  Are you sure this is an Activity and not a Fragment?
Jun 12 21:30:50 <TacticalJoke> pakcjo:  If so, I guess you could post the code.
Jun 12 21:31:59 <pakcjo> TacticalJoke: oh ups, I just checked it, it's a fragment :/
Jun 12 21:32:10 <Napalm> lol
Jun 12 21:32:17 <pakcjo> hahaha
Jun 12 21:32:31 <TacticalJoke> Incoming question:  Why isn't my Fragment working?  :D
Jun 12 21:32:42 <pakcjo> TacticalJoke: yes, that's right :)
Jun 12 21:33:31 <dex2goat> sounds like the perfect time to: http://tinyurl.com/q5cd7q5
Jun 12 21:33:46 <pakcjo> XD
Jun 12 21:34:37 <TacticalJoke> Does the Activity override onSaveInstanceState without calling super.onSaveInstanceState?
Jun 12 21:37:32 <pakcjo> TacticalJoke: I'm checking, I think not, but the base fragment has an empty onSaveInstanceState
Jun 12 21:40:10 <matt_j> Question about IAB
Jun 12 21:40:19 <matt_j> I get that you have to upload a build to Alpha to do testing
Jun 12 21:40:34 <matt_j> but I can't make changes to the app if the next compiled version just fails
Jun 12 21:40:37 <matt_j> is there some way around this?
Jun 12 21:40:45 <matt_j> makes it very difficult to debug
Jun 12 21:42:50 <Odaym> halo
Jun 12 21:43:54 <groxx> TacticalJoke: generally. but why are you logging / inspecting the logs in non-buggy code?
Jun 12 21:45:12 <groxx> as far as tedious: breakpoints can run code. like logging. and they can break if <condition> holds.  but none of that requires recompilation or even process restarting.
Jun 12 21:46:10 <groxx> there are cases, sure. but they're relatively rare, compared to how quickly people reach for logging.
Jun 12 21:48:16 <lasserix> int a = 0; int b = a ^ a;
Jun 12 21:48:21 <Odaym> i rely heavily on logging because im not comfortable with the complexity of the debugger
Jun 12 21:48:23 <Odaym> :\
Jun 12 21:49:39 <lasserix> oh you should get comfy with it
Jun 12 21:49:53 <TacticalJoke> I try to avoid breakpoints as much as possible, personally.
Jun 12 21:50:04 <lasserix> espicially with the overlay of values on the code at run time
Jun 12 21:50:07 <Odaym> of course yea, but I mean really, in an app of small to medium size..where you gonna hit something SO complicated that you have no idea where this value is nulling
Jun 12 21:50:15 <Odaym> it just..can't happen
Jun 12 21:50:19 <TacticalJoke> I used them so much years ago.  I hate them now.
Jun 12 21:50:41 <Odaym> it needs to be much more complex and have so many values being thrown around for a baffling case like that to appear
Jun 12 21:50:44 <TacticalJoke> I find LogCat more convenient for almost anything.
Jun 12 21:50:59 <lasserix> Odaym: that is probably my problem: making apps that are too complex
Jun 12 21:51:08 <Odaym> from the getgo? you can't
Jun 12 21:51:25 <Odaym> you'll start compromising until you end up with a quality that you can produce at your true level
Jun 12 21:51:32 <lasserix> when i was first starting and making like pi memorizer sure
Jun 12 21:51:54 <lasserix> but when you get a client who wants a paging set of custom views with video, audio and images
Jun 12 21:52:00 <lasserix> and nested paging and scrollign
Jun 12 21:52:02 <lasserix> and so on
Jun 12 21:52:17 <Odaym> those can be solved by the ol' "that's not how it's done on Android" card
Jun 12 21:52:18 <Odaym> :P
Jun 12 21:52:29 <Odaym> "teach us, oh mighty Android guy! How is it done!"
Jun 12 21:52:30 <lasserix> i have as much as i could
Jun 12 21:52:33 <Odaym> haha
Jun 12 21:52:35 <lasserix> that does work
Jun 12 21:52:54 <lasserix> but has only removed like 4% of complexity overall
Jun 12 21:53:00 <Odaym> sure until someone knows you just dont know how to do it thats why you pulled that card :P
Jun 12 21:53:25 <Odaym> best bosses are programmer bosses, really
Jun 12 21:53:26 <lasserix> nah its cause they were using iOs
Jun 12 21:53:30 <Odaym> you just cant cant bullshit anything
Jun 12 21:53:35 <lasserix> *iOs design
Jun 12 21:54:49 <Odaym> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzN3qO-qc8U
Jun 12 21:55:02 <lasserix> wow
Jun 12 21:55:16 <Odaym> classic!
Jun 12 21:55:19 <lasserix> just cut out lots of variables from my pojo and now retrofit/gson is waay faster
Jun 12 21:57:01 <Odaym> you know something, Im looking at the way I did passing objects around with Parceler at an app at work
Jun 12 21:57:24 <Odaym> and Im looking at how I used to do it before Parceler, the code is chock full of either intent extras or passing through parcelable object
Jun 12 21:57:31 <Odaym> do you just send the whole object all the time?
Jun 12 21:57:39 <lasserix> ?
Jun 12 21:57:55 <Odaym> what
Jun 12 21:58:01 <lasserix> that was great boss just walked on by while playing that clip
Jun 12 21:58:19 <Odaym> "hey boss, this is how I feel towards this place!"
Jun 12 21:58:22 <Odaym> lol
Jun 12 22:16:48 <Odaym> JakeWharton, when noPlaceHolder is set on an imageview, if it hasn't loaded yet in the list, it has its image as the very last image that was loaded
Jun 12 22:17:31 <Odaym> then it loads and gets its original image. noPlaceHolder being false means that you set a placeholder on every image before it gets loaded, and in case no place holder image is provided, you default to white?
Jun 12 22:18:51 <JakeWharton> We default to null
Jun 12 22:18:58 <JakeWharton> Or whatever you provide
Jun 12 22:19:12 <Odaym> so null means no image, means white, ok
Jun 12 22:19:26 <Odaym> what do you use in real life for this case?
Jun 12 22:19:35 <JakeWharton> An actual placeholder
Jun 12 22:19:49 <Odaym> dont they look bad when they are all the same image on all the images before the actual picture loads?
Jun 12 22:19:59 <Odaym> like 40 images all having a dummy picture
Jun 12 22:20:23 <JakeWharton> No. And it's only like 5 not 40
Jun 12 22:20:49 <Odaym> is there a way I can have a progress loader as a place holder?
Jun 12 22:21:22 <JakeWharton> An indeterminate one, sure
Jun 12 22:21:27 <Odaym> from Picasso itself?
Jun 12 22:21:37 <TacticalJoke> Odaym:  "No image" in an ImageView doesn't mean white.  It means transparent.
Jun 12 22:21:44 <JakeWharton> No
Jun 12 22:21:50 <Odaym> yea I know i can write that Jake
Jun 12 22:21:59 <Odaym> wanted to see if I can feed it to Picasso
Jun 12 22:22:20 <JakeWharton> You can use an AnimayedDrawable for it
Jun 12 22:22:28 <JakeWharton> And it'll work just fine
Jun 12 22:22:39 <Odaym> and say placeholder(myAnimatedDrawableObj)
Jun 12 22:22:51 <JakeWharton> Yes
Jun 12 22:22:55 <Odaym> great
Jun 12 22:23:47 <Odaym> also do you have any idea why Glide act like with GIFs? I load a gif into an imageview at a certain time in the program, it takes a long time to load and meanwhile its a black screen, the second time I trigger that time in the program, it loads just fine
Jun 12 22:24:00 <Odaym> do you know why it would do that?
Jun 12 22:24:07 <Odaym> the gif is in my raw folder in the project
Jun 12 22:24:49 <Odaym> I tried to trigger the loading into the imageview without making the imageview visible, at a time - 1 point in the program to give it time to load it, but still next time when its being loaded into a visible imageview it also lags and doesnt load it
Jun 12 22:25:29 <Odaym> also known as, when are you going to add GIF support
Jun 12 22:26:57 <Odaym> yea TacticalJoke, just forgot that the background of the view was white
Jun 12 22:27:22 <Odaym> I think its just like Mavrik said, that it needs to load every image
Jun 12 22:38:30 <Napalm> JakeWharton: can Moshi's JsonAdapter use object pools?
Jun 12 22:38:40 <Napalm> (just watching your presentation)
Jun 12 22:40:43 <Napalm> JakeWharton: i like the 'currently using reflection' are we eventually going to see compile time?
Jun 12 22:50:17 <Odaym> ok you can't escape the time that Glide needs to load the GIF. what I did was let it load the same way at X - 1 but behind the image I had ontop of it, so it doesnt show anything
Jun 12 22:50:27 <Odaym> at X time, I hide the image, revealing the running GIF
Jun 12 22:55:59 <groxx> madess!
Jun 12 22:56:33 <Odaym> meh
Jun 12 22:56:35 <Odaym> works
Jun 12 23:36:34 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/4f008d281c42063e56f4
Jun 12 23:36:35 <pfn> ugh, so close
Jun 12 23:36:39 <pfn> just need to chop off a little more
Jun 12 23:37:39 <Napalm> pfn: you cant be using all of that?
Jun 12 23:37:49 <pfn> oh yes, yes I am
Jun 12 23:37:54 <Napalm> printing? speech tts?
Jun 12 23:38:05 <pfn> oh, I don't know wtf those come from
Jun 12 23:38:11 <pfn> but those don't account for anything significant
Jun 12 23:38:17 <pfn> that comes from the support lib or something
Jun 12 23:38:21 <Napalm> proGuard is your friend
Jun 12 23:38:26 <pfn> this is with proguard
Jun 12 23:38:31 <Napalm> just do the optimize level 1 no obfuscation
Jun 12 23:38:57 <Napalm> something has to be wrong
Jun 12 23:39:24 <Napalm> comscore for analytics? are you crazyyyy
Jun 12 23:41:08 <pfn> not my choice, obv
Jun 12 23:42:17 <pfn> I hate intellij's logcat window, so worthless
Jun 12 23:45:00 <gdrc> same here.
Jun 12 23:45:11 <pfn> proguardCache in Android ++=
Jun 12 23:45:11 <pfn>   "org.brickred" :: "com.adobe" :: "okio" :: "com.loopj" :: "com.nielsen" :: "com.squareup" :: "tv.freewheel" :: "com.google.android.gms" :: "com.google.common" :: "android" :: Nil
Jun 12 23:45:16 <pfn> ok, I think this'll do what I want
Jun 12 23:45:23 <gdrc> pfn, lol did you finally switch to an ide?
Jun 12 23:45:35 <pfn> huh? I've been using intellij for the last 3 years or so
Jun 12 23:45:58 <gdrc> you used to use vim, am I wrong?
Jun 12 23:46:13 <pfn> I used vim, too, still do on occasion
Jun 12 23:50:48 <pfn> ah, can probably trim comscore and crashlytics, too
Jun 12 23:50:50 * pfn adds to list
Jun 13 00:11:13 <altima_> help
Jun 13 00:11:25 <treeprogram> Hi, why do I see listeners in Java added with "add*Listener", but on Android, it's "set*Listener"?
Jun 13 00:11:53 <treeprogram> what's the design rationale behind using "set" rather than "add"?
Jun 13 00:12:28 <treeprogram> I assume it means that Android Java objects can only have one listener, whereas vanilla Java objects generally can have multiple ones
Jun 13 00:12:39 <groxx> that would be my guess, yea
Jun 13 00:13:02 <Zharf> it's really component design dependent
Jun 13 00:13:10 <Zharf> but yes, set implies there can be only one
Jun 13 00:13:12 <groxx> it's true for most android classes.  makes sense when you need to conserve memory, as keeping an array of listeners uses more memory than a single field
Jun 13 00:20:07 <altima_> In Android 5.0 Emulator, click "Encrypt Phone" will only reboot the emulator but no encryption ever happened, is it ever possible to encrypt android 5,0+ emulator? Thanks.
Jun 13 00:24:53 <treeprogram> groxx: right..
Jun 13 00:26:25 <icedp> I've never been a fan of JS but that looks impressive: https://youtu.be/7rDsRXj9-cU?t=22m15s (React)
Jun 13 00:27:22 <groxx> icedp: it's ok, JS still likes _you_
Jun 13 00:28:31 <shmooz> my phone company just got the Nexus 7 2013 tablet and they are selling it for $500 lol
Jun 13 00:29:30 <shmooz> when they saw the look I gave them they started studdering and saying that the price would go down soon
Jun 13 00:30:35 <shmooz> or I should say my cell provider
Jun 13 00:34:35 <pakcjo> quit
Jun 13 00:35:41 <mattblang> can you pass buildConfigFields as command line parameters when using Gradle?
Jun 13 00:36:14 <CedricBeust> mattblang: not sure but passing an env variable will work as well
Jun 13 00:36:38 <Napalm> mattblang: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11696521/how-to-pass-arguments-from-command-line-to-gradle
Jun 13 00:38:00 <Napalm> mattblang: you can use -D to set a JVM system property
Jun 13 00:38:16 <Napalm> ./gradlew compile -Dmyprop=myvalue
Jun 13 00:38:31 <Napalm> details here https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/build_environment.html#sec:gradle_properties_and_system_properties
Jun 13 00:38:45 <mattblang> Napalm sweet, thanks man!
Jun 13 00:53:01 <Agamemnus> HELP!!!!!!!!
Jun 13 00:56:12 <Agamemnus> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/agamemnus/cordova-plugin-admob/master/src/android/AdMob.java
Jun 13 00:56:50 <Agamemnus> i have a problem with the compile
Jun 13 00:57:07 <Agamemnus> basically
Jun 13 00:57:21 <Agamemnus> i found some code that works with one version of cordova but not another
Jun 13 00:57:34 <Agamemnus> and they gave a runtime switch
Jun 13 00:57:43 <Agamemnus> but i need a compile time switch
Jun 13 00:57:59 <Agamemnus> private static final boolean CORDOVA_4 = Integer.valueOf(CordovaWebView.CORDOVA_VERSION.split("\\.")[0]) >= 4;
Jun 13 00:58:01 <Agamemnus> any tips?
Jun 13 00:58:08 <Agamemnus> or am i totally off base
Jun 13 00:58:23 <pfn> icedp, nothing particularly impressive, might as well just do mobile Web, same thing
Jun 13 01:02:20 <Agamemnus> any help
Jun 13 01:02:25 <Agamemnus> or nothing
Jun 13 01:02:38 <mattblang> Napalm is there a wa to use that prop set with -D in build.gradle I wonder.  Looks like doing a buildConfigField with System.property will just throw a null.  I know you can set them in the gradle.properties, but that wouldn't work for me
Jun 13 01:04:13 <mattblang> Napalm just null check it so that it does't complain maybe, then pass it in
Jun 13 01:08:58 <icedp> pfn: editing native components on the go looks pretty cool. would of say a lot dev time of changing one line in xml and waiting for deploying to phone
Jun 13 01:09:11 <icedp> s/of say/save
Jun 13 01:11:44 <Odaym> twitter CEO quat?
Jun 13 01:12:04 <Odaym> Agamemnus, who's gonna read that whole fucking file
Jun 13 01:12:07 <Odaym> and look for your problem!
Jun 13 01:12:13 <Agamemnus> help anyone
Jun 13 01:12:18 <Odaym> no one is going to do it
Jun 13 01:12:27 <Agamemnus> I described the problem dude
Jun 13 01:12:31 <Agamemnus> no need to look at the file
Jun 13 01:12:48 <Odaym> arent you using Cordova?
Jun 13 01:12:55 <Agamemnus> IS THERE A COMPILE TIME SWITCH I CAN USE?
Jun 13 01:12:58 <Odaym> you are messing with the generated android code?
Jun 13 01:13:23 <Agamemnus> no
Jun 13 01:13:32 <Agamemnus> look,
Jun 13 01:13:37 <Agamemnus> this code works in one version:
Jun 13 01:13:39 <Agamemnus> ((ViewGroup) webView.getView().getParent()).addView(adViewLayout, params);
Jun 13 01:13:44 <Agamemnus> this code works in another:
Jun 13 01:13:49 <Agamemnus> ((ViewGroup) webView).addView(adViewLayout, params);
Jun 13 01:13:59 <Odaym> why are you casting webView to viewgroup?
Jun 13 01:14:05 <Agamemnus> so i need a compile time switch
Jun 13 01:14:25 <Agamemnus> who knows
Jun 13 01:14:28 <Agamemnus> this was the code
Jun 13 01:14:35 <Odaym> well webView is in the end a viewgroup
Jun 13 01:14:48 <Agamemnus> the main point is that in one person the first line works
Jun 13 01:14:54 <Agamemnus> in the other the second line works
Jun 13 01:15:20 <Odaym> in one person
Jun 13 01:15:20 <Agamemnus> webView.getView() isn't present in one first version
Jun 13 01:15:20 <Odaym> ?
Jun 13 01:15:29 <Agamemnus> damnit
Jun 13 01:15:35 <Agamemnus> in one version
Jun 13 01:15:41 <Odaym> just calm down
Jun 13 01:15:46 <Odaym> seems easy im willing to help :D
Jun 13 01:15:48 <Agamemnus> Calm down he says
Jun 13 01:15:54 <Agamemnus> Ok, so how do I fix it?
Jun 13 01:15:58 <Odaym> what's happening first?
Jun 13 01:16:14 <Odaym> why two versions of Cordova?
Jun 13 01:16:26 <Agamemnus> I'm trying to debug another issue
Jun 13 01:16:29 <Agamemnus> so I downgraded
Jun 13 01:16:39 <Agamemnus> and I'm trying to make it all work in the older version
Jun 13 01:16:52 <Odaym> first line is old version?
Jun 13 01:17:06 <Agamemnus> new version
Jun 13 01:17:33 <Agamemnus> in the old version I guess the webView was already the parent
Jun 13 01:17:38 <Odaym> the first one is correct
Jun 13 01:17:48 <Agamemnus> or some insane thing
Jun 13 01:17:52 <Agamemnus> "correct"?
Jun 13 01:18:09 <Odaym> because I think that even if you cast a view back to ViewGroup, doesnt....really mean that you can now add views to it
Jun 13 01:18:12 <Agamemnus> The first one doesn't work in the first version
Jun 13 01:18:21 <Agamemnus> old version
Jun 13 01:18:33 <Agamemnus> cannot find symbol
Jun 13 01:18:45 <Odaym> I dont know old and new version, but I just trust the first line more
Jun 13 01:18:47 <Odaym> makes sense
Jun 13 01:18:49 <Agamemnus> actually wait hold on
Jun 13 01:18:56 <Odaym> you get the parent which should be a layout, then add view
Jun 13 01:19:15 <Odaym> you dont addview like that to a webview
Jun 13 01:19:23 <Agamemnus> so the first line is the new version
Jun 13 01:19:57 <Agamemnus> but it is saying that getView doesn't exist in the old version
Jun 13 01:19:58 <Odaym> well I was going to argue that if the second line really works, it means that you can cast TextView to viewgroup and be able to add views to it
Jun 13 01:20:09 <Odaym> but I saw that Textview does not extend Viewgroup
Jun 13 01:20:13 <Odaym> but View
Jun 13 01:20:21 <Odaym> so now 2nd line doesnt seem insane :)
Jun 13 01:20:31 <Agamemnus> So, I think the difference here is that webView is different for each Cordova version
Jun 13 01:21:10 <Agamemnus> In the first case it's the top element and in the second it isn't.
Jun 13 01:21:14 <Agamemnus> Does that make sense?
Jun 13 01:21:27 <Odaym> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9639468/can-i-add-view-with-many-imageview-to-webview
Jun 13 01:21:32 <Odaym> this guy is wrong
Jun 13 01:21:32 <Agamemnus> i need to check if getView() exists
Jun 13 01:21:33 <Odaym> lol
Jun 13 01:22:01 <Agamemnus> yeah but that is old
Jun 13 01:22:23 <Odaym> true
Jun 13 01:22:39 <Odaym> getView doesnt exist for viewgroup clas
Jun 13 01:23:10 <Agamemnus> So is there any way to get out of the symbol doesn't exist thing?
Jun 13 01:23:18 <Agamemnus> i tried try/catch, didn't work
Jun 13 01:23:19 <Odaym> ive only seen getview in adapters
Jun 13 01:23:40 <Odaym> it takes view and viewgroup, so doesnt make sense for it to be part of Viewgroup class
Jun 13 01:24:07 <Odaym> else it would be viewGroupObject.getView(view)
Jun 13 01:24:21 <Odaym> you need SimonVT
Jun 13 01:24:22 <Odaym> haha
Jun 13 01:24:28 <Agamemnus> I agree with you I think but the main thing is
Jun 13 01:24:31 <Odaym> im just typing away your precious time brah
Jun 13 01:24:39 <Agamemnus> ebView is a CordovaWebView
Jun 13 01:24:42 <Agamemnus> webView
Jun 13 01:24:45 <Odaym> wat
Jun 13 01:24:49 <g00s> holy wall of daym !
Jun 13 01:24:50 <Agamemnus> it is different in each version of Cordova
Jun 13 01:24:53 <Odaym> then android is not involved!
Jun 13 01:25:00 <Agamemnus> What, it is Java
Jun 13 01:25:06 <Odaym> but not the same class!
Jun 13 01:25:08 <g00s> Odaym are you talking to yourself ?
Jun 13 01:25:10 <Odaym> they could override ANYTHING
Jun 13 01:25:20 <Odaym> you need to go read that class on your own
Jun 13 01:25:21 <Agamemnus> g00s, did you put me on ignore again?
Jun 13 01:25:29 <Odaym> ah you ignored him?
Jun 13 01:25:35 <Odaym> haha
Jun 13 01:25:53 <Odaym> it just means you're awesome, Agamemnus
Jun 13 01:25:58 <Odaym> he jelly
Jun 13 01:26:00 <Agamemnus> I don't know why he put me on ignore. I have been behaving
Jun 13 01:26:05 <g00s> oh Agamemnus  - yeah he's always having problems with cordova, so permanently off topic
Jun 13 01:26:07 <Odaym> have been behaving
Jun 13 01:26:08 <Odaym> haha
Jun 13 01:26:12 <Odaym> ahhhh
Jun 13 01:26:13 <Odaym> ok
Jun 13 01:26:16 <Odaym> ignored here too
Jun 13 01:26:19 <Agamemnus> :(
Jun 13 01:26:23 <Agamemnus> That's mean.
Jun 13 01:26:29 <Agamemnus> it's all java man...
Jun 13 01:26:33 <Odaym> nah just efficient
Jun 13 01:26:52 <Agamemnus> wait
Jun 13 01:26:58 <Agamemnus> before you put me on ignore
Jun 13 01:27:10 <Odaym> nah im not going to press any button for it :P
Jun 13 01:27:12 <Agamemnus> Is there any way to add a compile time switch to Java code?
Jun 13 01:27:14 <Odaym> I just..stop
Jun 13 01:27:23 <Odaym> dont know what compile time switch means
Jun 13 01:27:24 <pfn> icedp, but those aren't native components
Jun 13 01:27:29 <Agamemnus> That was my original question
Jun 13 01:27:35 <Agamemnus> like a switch. IF ELSE
Jun 13 01:27:39 <Odaym> you can google that
Jun 13 01:27:42 <Agamemnus> :(
Jun 13 01:27:42 <Odaym> in 5 seconds
Jun 13 01:27:47 <Odaym> but it takes effort
Jun 13 01:27:54 <Odaym> and not as fun as talking to others here
Jun 13 01:28:01 <Odaym> :(
Jun 13 01:28:08 <Agamemnus> WAIT!
Jun 13 01:28:17 <Agamemnus> So I *was* doing it right.
Jun 13 01:28:45 <Agamemnus> look at this
Jun 13 01:28:53 <Agamemnus> http://stackoverflow.com/a/1813873/1136569
Jun 13 01:28:53 <icedp> pfn: those are
Jun 13 01:29:04 <Agamemnus> That's what I am using, if you scroll up.
Jun 13 01:29:07 <pfn> icedp, looks like html to me
Jun 13 01:29:08 <Odaym> hey you googled
Jun 13 01:29:09 <Agamemnus> But it's not working properly
Jun 13 01:29:28 <Odaym> means you need to google again
Jun 13 01:29:35 <Odaym> eventually it works
Jun 13 01:29:50 <Agamemnus> so you don't know I guess
Jun 13 01:29:58 <Odaym> you guess?
Jun 13 01:29:59 <Odaym> haha
Jun 13 01:30:10 <Agamemnus> It's an expression
Jun 13 01:30:25 <pfn> icedp, someone wrote an k  device preview thing before for android, didn't really get anywhere
Jun 13 01:30:35 <pfn> icedp, this isn't possible because javascript
Jun 13 01:30:49 <pfn> on-device
Jun 13 01:30:52 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Did you figure it out?
Jun 13 01:31:24 <Agamemnus> Does anyone else know about compile-time switches?
Jun 13 01:31:24 <Odaym> hey TacticalJoke was he facing the bitmap drawing issue?
Jun 13 01:31:30 <Odaym> saving two bitmaps together?
Jun 13 01:31:44 <TacticalJoke> Nah.  He was trying to come back to the main thread from a background thread.
Jun 13 01:31:59 <Odaym> probably had the saving code running there :)
Jun 13 01:32:08 <Odaym> let's bet
Jun 13 01:32:37 <Agamemnus> Odaym, can I ask you for a favor
Jun 13 01:32:45 <Odaym> g00s said to ignore you
Jun 13 01:32:49 <Odaym> I follow g00s
Jun 13 01:32:55 <Agamemnus> Please just this one favor
Jun 13 01:33:01 <Odaym> sure you can ask it
Jun 13 01:33:13 <pfn> Actually, speaking of on device preview, I wonder if there's a good way to replace the resource manager
Jun 13 01:33:31 <pfn> that way, you could do layouts and other crap on the fly, too
Jun 13 01:33:31 <Agamemnus> Can you tell g00s to unignore me for a few minutes so that I can ask him my 100% Java question?
Jun 13 01:33:50 <Odaym> if you have 100% java question, you go to #java, not ask g00s
Jun 13 01:33:54 <pfn> just load a library into your app, and send new layouts to it as you write shit
Jun 13 01:33:56 <Odaym> if you have android question, you can ask anyone here
Jun 13 01:33:56 <Agamemnus> Damnit
Jun 13 01:34:12 <Agamemnus> But Java folks are mean. Worse than Android
Jun 13 01:34:14 <icedp> pfn: <Text> becomes an iOS's equivalent of TextView and forth. it's rendered natively
Jun 13 01:34:18 <Odaym> no
Jun 13 01:34:19 <Agamemnus> worse than g00s
Jun 13 01:34:24 <Odaym> they are just more picky
Jun 13 01:34:28 <Odaym> and justly so
Jun 13 01:34:31 <Agamemnus> .....
Jun 13 01:34:37 <Odaym> here we love poetry and meta talk
Jun 13 01:34:38 <Odaym> lol
Jun 13 01:34:41 <Odaym> less skill than there
Jun 13 01:34:53 <Odaym> everytime I go there I leave with a ban
Jun 13 01:34:55 <pfn> icedp, you could do the same for android without too much difficulty, wouldn't have to be javascript
Jun 13 01:34:59 <TacticalJoke> Less skill?  I doubt it.
Jun 13 01:35:01 <TacticalJoke> Just less anger.
Jun 13 01:35:05 <Odaym> nah
Jun 13 01:35:14 <Odaym> just imagine how long they've been around?
Jun 13 01:35:19 <pfn> #android-dev caters to noobs
Jun 13 01:35:21 <Odaym> many people here (me) started programming with android
Jun 13 01:35:24 <Odaym> thank you pfn
Jun 13 01:35:27 <pfn> sad
Jun 13 01:35:32 <Odaym> no, just real
Jun 13 01:35:50 <Odaym> besides, what fucking guru are you gonna find, Android has been around for how long!
Jun 13 01:35:51 <Agamemnus> I can't believe that anyone actually starts programming with android
Jun 13 01:35:58 <Odaym> believe it :P
Jun 13 01:36:04 <Odaym> java has been around so long
Jun 13 01:36:18 <Agamemnus> Fine
Jun 13 01:36:24 <Agamemnus> Time to get freaking banned
Jun 13 01:36:26 <pfn> android has been around long enough to have plenty of gurus
Jun 13 01:36:32 <dragorn> as in your first programming experience is with android?
Jun 13 01:36:41 <dragorn> some.  probably not many.
Jun 13 01:36:52 <icedp> pfn: yeah, I've seen that it's possible with Java. But here it seems it's not just resetting layout of activity but rather engine finds the changes and applying it to components by calling necessary methods w/o recreating them (if possible) and w/o reloading the data
Jun 13 01:36:56 <Odaym> yes pfn but is that number large enough to casue many of them to be here?
Jun 13 01:37:09 <Odaym> with a big enough number of "gurus", you start tripping over them
Jun 13 01:37:13 <pfn> Odaym, many of them are here
Jun 13 01:37:16 <Odaym> ah really
Jun 13 01:37:18 <Odaym> where?
Jun 13 01:37:21 <icedp> pfn: it's a nice feature but not a selling point
Jun 13 01:37:21 <Odaym> there are 3 here
Jun 13 01:37:23 <Odaym> lol
Jun 13 01:37:41 <pfn> there's nearly 500 here
Jun 13 01:37:50 <pfn> they just don't care to talk to the noobs
Jun 13 01:37:52 <Odaym> we're..talking about the number of "top guys"
Jun 13 01:38:00 <Odaym> 500 here are "top guys/girls"?
Jun 13 01:38:21 <Odaym> Im talking about the ones that answer and the answer is the actual answer
Jun 13 01:38:26 <Odaym> no theorizing
Jun 13 01:38:29 <dragorn> There's several folks here I'd consider experts.  Some are quite active, like Jake, if you happen to ask at a time they're awake
Jun 13 01:38:43 <Odaym> jake, mikewallace, simon, pfn, mavrik, napalm
Jun 13 01:38:49 <Odaym> das it
Jun 13 01:39:50 <Odaym> romain_guy in the past
Jun 13 01:40:34 <Odaym> .........................................................................................andme
Jun 13 01:41:42 <dragorn> I do android professionally but wouldn't by any means consider myself an expert
Jun 13 01:42:03 <Odaym> yea of course
Jun 13 01:42:08 <Odaym> man im senior adnroid programmer at where I work
Jun 13 01:42:11 <Odaym> ....
Jun 13 01:42:15 <Odaym> can you............imagine
Jun 13 01:42:18 <ac_slater_> phew, finally got h264 decoding via MediaCodec... the lack of docs surprised me
Jun 13 01:42:20 <Odaym> the insanity
Jun 13 01:42:40 <pfn> insanity
Jun 13 01:42:49 <Odaym> I wouldnt know an API if it bit me in the ass
Jun 13 01:42:50 <dragorn> There's enough going on in android to be completely competent at many aspects of it, without being an expert at the whole
Jun 13 01:43:10 <Odaym> aspects of it?
Jun 13 01:43:13 <Odaym> what aspects
Jun 13 01:43:14 <Napalm> ac_slater_: should have looked at ExoPlayer source
Jun 13 01:43:15 <dragorn> I'm far more likely to be doing something system-level and rarely make pretty apps, for instance
Jun 13 01:43:17 <Odaym> its a set of API's
Jun 13 01:43:24 <ac_slater_> Napalm: doh! I didnt
Jun 13 01:43:30 <dragorn> so you want animators?  f'd if I know.
Jun 13 01:43:33 <Odaym> you either know how to leverage them to your favor plus the programming knowhow that you have, or you dont
Jun 13 01:44:00 <dragorn> You want system apps to do custom wipes of keystore data before initiating a factory reset?  sure thing.
Jun 13 01:44:41 <Odaym> the list of things you dont know is endless, the list of things you will pick up very quickly is also endless
Jun 13 01:44:48 <Odaym> the latter is what makes you good
Jun 13 01:44:58 <Odaym> you know how to learn
Jun 13 01:45:01 <Odaym> :P
Jun 13 01:45:04 <Napalm> its want we call endianess
Jun 13 01:45:08 <Napalm> me dum bum
Jun 13 01:45:11 <Napalm> be*
Jun 13 01:45:37 <Odaym> its good to feel stupid though, you approach everything very innocently
Jun 13 01:45:45 <Odaym> no disappointments :P
Jun 13 01:46:16 <Odaym> you dont find a problem too petty for your expert ass
Jun 13 01:46:17 <dragorn> Odaym, sure.  that said, I know I can spot a shitty UI, but I can't necessarily design a good one.  I can tell when someone does material right, but I couldn't make something beautiful like a lot of the implementations are.
Jun 13 01:46:33 * dragorn shrugs
Jun 13 01:46:35 <Odaym> that doesnt have to do with programming
Jun 13 01:46:54 <Odaym> how it looks is up to the designer, making it look like how it should look is the hard part
Jun 13 01:46:55 <dragorn> This is why I'm a system guy and not a UI person.  And why my biggest / longest running project is still goddamn ncurses. :P
Jun 13 01:47:02 <Odaym> haha
Jun 13 01:47:06 <Odaym> ncurses is used by slackware
Jun 13 01:47:09 <dragorn> yup
Jun 13 01:47:10 <Odaym> please be respectful
Jun 13 01:47:11 <Odaym> :P
Jun 13 01:47:19 <Odaym> it is an honorable software
Jun 13 01:47:36 <dragorn> Odaym, I actually included full mouse support via ncurses just to work better in terminal emulators on stuff like maemo devices ;P
Jun 13 01:48:07 <Odaym> good effort to do that
Jun 13 01:48:17 <Odaym> but now you highlight its deficiencies :P
Jun 13 01:48:21 <TacticalJoke> Odaym:  "A software" sounds so weird to me.  Should be "a piece of software" or similar.
Jun 13 01:48:25 <Odaym> cause making it imitate the full blown window manager
Jun 13 01:48:40 <Odaym> piece is implied, TJ..
Jun 13 01:48:44 <Odaym> it cant be all software
Jun 13 01:49:31 <dragorn> Odaym, I actually implemented a full gtk-style widget system with layouts, gravities, and weights inside ncurses.  and graphing libraries.  I even have polar graphs working to display gps satellite distributions
Jun 13 01:49:52 <Odaym> big words brah
Jun 13 01:49:58 <gdrc> g00s, http://open.spotify.com/track/3aY30jNgJLxKPhipEt0RNg listen
Jun 13 01:50:25 <Odaym> look what this guy did https://speakerdeck.com/nineties/creating-a-language-using-only-assembly-language
Jun 13 01:50:51 <Odaym> really awesome to go through it if youve sat down in theory of computation or compiler theory classes
Jun 13 01:50:58 <Odaym> and heard things by mistake
Jun 13 01:52:24 <Odaym> wow, 3 hours sleep in the last 48 hours
Jun 13 01:52:35 <Odaym> somewhere, somehow, someone is going to pay for it
Jun 13 01:52:38 <Odaym> im sure
Jun 13 01:53:29 <dragorn> I enjoyed compiler design.  Enough so that a decade later I could still write a r-d parser from memory.
Jun 13 01:53:43 <Odaym> ah youre like 30?
Jun 13 01:54:02 <dragorn> more towards late 30s
Jun 13 01:54:16 <Odaym> i was extremely interested in those 2 courses, real mind openers, but extremely sad that the teacher was extremely incompetent
Jun 13 01:54:28 <Odaym> and you're sitting there awaiting more, and he cant deliver
Jun 13 01:55:05 <Odaym> you really understand so much in those classes, the brain reals in horror mixed with respect
Jun 13 01:55:05 <Odaym> haha
Jun 13 01:55:33 <Odaym> the apex of it is "waaaaat, THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES???"
Jun 13 01:55:41 <Odaym> i.e. to "become great"
Jun 13 01:55:50 <TacticalJoke> Odaym:  Did you start programming in the past few years?
Jun 13 01:56:03 <Odaym> yes 2012
Jun 13 01:56:09 <Odaym> the rest it was programming for classes
Jun 13 01:56:45 <Odaym> its a dodgy academic history I have, I went CS by ..consequence, not choice
Jun 13 01:56:50 <Odaym> I wanted philosophy
Jun 13 01:57:50 <Odaym> like the first time in CS 101, he was explaining binary, and I said to him, "well that's mighty primitive! it sounds awfully primitive!"
Jun 13 01:58:11 <Odaym> "Yes Mr. Oday, we're waiting on you to come and revolutionize it "
Jun 13 01:58:18 <Odaym> haha
Jun 13 01:59:30 <Odaym> its a real shocker when you come into the major and you think you can float by or get over by just being half-half
Jun 13 01:59:56 <Odaym> you realize there is either correct or incorrect, there's no apathy or compassion towards your incompetence
Jun 13 02:00:14 <TacticalJoke> How old are you, Odaym?
Jun 13 02:00:19 <TacticalJoke> I'm guessing 22.
Jun 13 02:00:20 <Odaym> 27
Jun 13 02:00:24 <Odaym> you?
Jun 13 02:00:25 <TacticalJoke> Doh!
Jun 13 02:00:27 <Odaym> nah 27
Jun 13 02:00:27 <TacticalJoke> 30.
Jun 13 02:00:32 <Odaym> i was late to go to uni
Jun 13 02:00:39 <Odaym> cause i stayed without school for 4 years
Jun 13 02:00:41 <Odaym>  then went back
Jun 13 02:00:49 <Odaym> so at 21 I was in 1st year
Jun 13 02:01:00 <Odaym> at 21 they usually are working graduates
Jun 13 02:01:09 <Odaym> if you go the path of school normally
Jun 13 02:09:23 <Odaym> well, gn
Jun 13 02:10:24 <groxx> w00t, AS 1.3p4.  /me upgrades
Jun 13 02:17:00 <licksjp> Hello
Jun 13 02:17:05 <licksjp> I am Japanese
Jun 13 02:17:10 <licksjp> I live in Japan
Jun 13 02:17:17 <licksjp> My PC is Mac
Jun 13 02:17:32 <licksjp> Flash Player I can't update
Jun 13 02:17:52 <CedricBeust> licksjp: Wrong channel
Jun 13 02:18:01 <licksjp> oh
Jun 13 02:18:03 <licksjp> sorry
Jun 13 02:18:54 <xisall> hi what is the best to connect an app to a mysql database???
Jun 13 02:24:52 <tricknology> hmmm
Jun 13 02:25:03 <tricknology> it seems like you can get internet access through webview without permission...
Jun 13 02:26:29 <dragorn> that would surprise me
Jun 13 02:26:33 <dragorn> that's a recent change if so
Jun 13 02:33:02 <Napalm> tricknology: its because the webview is now a seperate app
Jun 13 02:33:25 <tricknology> but..
Jun 13 02:33:35 <tricknology> what if you have a webview inside your app?
Jun 13 02:33:49 <Napalm> its still a seperate app
Jun 13 02:33:58 <Napalm> I believe its uses a Binder and does IPC
Jun 13 02:34:06 <tricknology> I’m experimenting with deep linking, calling a website, injecting into it.. it dawned on me that I never asked for permissions
Jun 13 02:34:13 <tricknology> that website also has an interface into my application
Jun 13 02:34:39 <dragorn> yeah that's very curious if they let you do bindings into the webview still.  have to say I haven't played with it tho
Jun 13 02:34:55 <tricknology> granted that a user would have to install the application and give it permission to open the deep link.. that’s still kind of a hole..
Jun 13 02:34:59 <dragorn> google seems very much of the opinion lately that there's no reason to ask for internet permissions
Jun 13 02:35:12 <dragorn> i GUESS you could always launch a browser w/ an intent to leak data anyho
Jun 13 02:35:32 <Leeds> dragorn: I believe dianne cited exactly that as a reason why it's not watertight anyway
Jun 13 02:35:38 <tricknology> well at this point so much uses the internet..
Jun 13 02:35:49 <tricknology> but people like to be informed at least
Jun 13 02:36:44 <tricknology> i see your point Leeds and dragorn
Jun 13 02:37:03 <dragorn> I'd sure rather have it be more restrictive
Jun 13 02:37:07 <Leeds> the permissions thing is still a huge thorny mess - very hard to balance asking too much, overwhelming users who just get used to saying yes to everything, vs. bad press, and a surface of attack for Apple
Jun 13 02:37:08 <dragorn> I'm just supposing why they decided it was OK
Jun 13 02:37:44 <pamhiense> Hi, I have an LG D213 , but I do not like the interface lg , I can compile android lg ?
Jun 13 02:38:08 <tricknology> it would be nice to have a setting that you can enable if you’re paranoid that will toast an alert when permissions are being accessed
Jun 13 02:38:37 <tricknology> pamhiense: that would be android-root, I believe
Jun 13 02:38:41 <tricknology> #android-root
Jun 13 02:38:43 <dragorn> pamhiense, short answer, you probably want #android-root or the xda website.  Longer answer, not in any trivial fashion, no, but we're mostly appdev folks here and not rom-dev.
Jun 13 02:38:57 <tricknology> ^better amswer
Jun 13 02:39:11 <dragorn> tricknology, that's not a terrible idea.  I might steal that. :)
Jun 13 02:39:40 <tricknology> go for it, if you need a hand with some of the grunt work let me know
Jun 13 02:40:41 <pamhiense> dragorn, tricknology, ok, sorry, thanks!
Jun 13 02:41:50 <dragorn> tricknology, we do a lot of permissions changing stuff already
Jun 13 02:50:45 <tricknology> TFW you bring some work home with you for the weekend but you realize you brought an incompatible device :/
Jun 13 02:54:53 <Ashiren> woo free weekend
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