**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 16 02:59:59 2015
Jun 16 03:02:59 <ac_slater_> hey all. Is it possible to ignore the "soft" buttons on an android device?
Jun 16 03:03:08 <ac_slater_> on the S4, they're fucking sensitive.
Jun 16 03:03:20 <ac_slater_> I'd rather have my own "back" button
Jun 16 03:03:35 <CedricBeust> ac_slater_: Your users probably don't
Jun 16 03:03:53 <ac_slater_> CedricBeust: in my case, they do ;)
Jun 16 03:03:56 <ac_slater_> they asked specifically for it
Jun 16 03:04:27 <ac_slater_> it's an app that requires the phone to be moved around alot in your hands, etc. They ALWAYS press the soft buttons with their palms
Jun 16 03:04:44 <ac_slater_> but I do understand that could be a bad "feature"
Jun 16 03:04:55 <CedricBeust> Tell your users they're holding their phone wrong, it worked great for Steve Jobs
Jun 16 03:04:56 <TacticalJoke> Isn't the entire touchscreen sensitive?
Jun 16 03:05:35 <ac_slater_> TacticalJoke: yea but this app is landscape mode only, and people grab the phone by the flat top surface
Jun 16 03:06:20 <TacticalJoke> I hold mine at the edges in landscape.
Jun 16 03:06:31 <TacticalJoke> Though it does have a big-enough bezel.
Jun 16 03:06:40 <ac_slater_> yea :(
Jun 16 03:06:48 <TacticalJoke> Maybe they could use a selfie stick?
Jun 16 03:06:52 <ac_slater_> lol!
Jun 16 03:07:15 <ac_slater_> I'll put a counter in the OnBackPressed handler
Jun 16 03:07:19 <ac_slater_> like 3 or something
Jun 16 03:07:28 <TacticalJoke> You could have it ignore Back but not ignore Up, I guess.
Jun 16 03:07:30 <TacticalJoke> Though it is weird design.
Jun 16 03:07:47 <TacticalJoke> Not sure about Home or Recent Tasks.
Jun 16 03:08:12 <ac_slater_> interesting
Jun 16 03:08:26 <TacticalJoke> Another option is for them to get a thick case.
Jun 16 03:09:05 <ac_slater_> ooh I didnt think of that
Jun 16 03:09:16 <ac_slater_> thanks! Sometimes it's the simple things
Jun 16 03:11:27 <ac_slater_> I currenly have a counter of ~3 and a toast message that explains why it's like that
Jun 16 03:13:41 <TacticalJoke> I bet that's fun.  :D
Jun 16 03:15:05 <ac_slater_> the 4 people using it like it haha
Jun 16 03:15:33 <ac_slater_> it's not a production thing. Just a 'client' to a larger project
Jun 16 03:20:24 <bubbely> http://pastebin.com/nJN9EVkd <- what is layout_below
Jun 16 03:21:36 <TacticalJoke> bubbely:  Why not google?
Jun 16 03:21:47 <bubbely> TacticalJoke: i didn't understand the android docs
Jun 16 03:22:30 <CedricBeust> bubbely: You should spend some time understanding them
Jun 16 03:26:55 <bubbely> ok, cedricbeust: i have 3 objects 'wrapped' next to each other, textbox textbox and button
Jun 16 03:27:15 <bubbely> now, for layout_below, i want it below these 3 items. do i j ust specify one of these items and im good to go?
Jun 16 03:27:17 <bubbely> l
Jun 16 03:33:31 <bubbely> ne1?
Jun 16 03:33:50 <TacticalJoke> Just try it, yo.
Jun 16 03:33:59 <bubbely> what
Jun 16 03:35:52 <bubbely> hi?
Jun 16 03:37:16 <TacticalJoke> Do you need our permission to try it?
Jun 16 03:37:19 <TacticalJoke> Okay, fine, you have permission.
Jun 16 03:57:11 <luist> can i run snackbar on a api 15 tablet?
Jun 16 04:09:39 <g00s> anyone know why iosched 2015 source code isn't out ?
Jun 16 04:09:48 <g00s> or , will it even be out ?
Jun 16 04:14:06 <g00s> "Source code for the app will be available soon after I/O." ah ok, well at least its definitely coming
Jun 16 04:24:29 <ron_frown> g00s your mom
Jun 16 04:24:34 <ron_frown> in yo face!
Jun 16 04:24:36 <ron_frown> you fell for it
Jun 16 04:24:57 <g00s> damn you ron_frown
Jun 16 04:25:11 <ron_frown> I cant believe I am gonna say this
Jun 16 04:25:18 <ron_frown> I'm actually considering going with a fuckng iphone
Jun 16 04:25:20 <ron_frown> sahmed
Jun 16 04:25:21 <ron_frown> ashamed
Jun 16 04:25:23 <ron_frown> but
Jun 16 04:25:39 <paulo_> exclamation point!
Jun 16 04:25:56 <g00s> conjunction
Jun 16 04:26:44 <g00s> i'd be game for the 12" iPad if it was affordable
Jun 16 04:27:01 <paulo_> is there an appl even right now?
Jun 16 04:27:26 <g00s> either that or Surface
Jun 16 04:27:47 <paulo_> never heard of a 12" ipad before
Jun 16 04:27:55 <g00s> paulo_ coming ... i think sep ?
Jun 16 04:27:59 <paulo_> either way i'd be game for any cool stuff if it was affordable
Jun 16 04:28:20 <ron_frown> I'm just past the point of no return with java
Jun 16 04:28:23 <ron_frown> done with that shit
Jun 16 04:28:34 <ron_frown> its a fucking disease and the weakest link with java
Jun 16 04:28:44 <paulo_> ron_frown: it's not that bad
Jun 16 04:28:53 <g00s> actually i guess 12.9" (@ 263 ppi)
Jun 16 04:29:06 <paulo_> an ipad that big must be hard to use
Jun 16 04:29:10 <paulo_> how will I type on that thing
Jun 16 04:29:44 <g00s> paulo_ i'd just get it for ebook reader, maybe loading some Korg music software
Jun 16 04:29:45 <CedricBeust> paulo_: Just let him spend a few months with Objective C, he'll understand
Jun 16 04:29:55 <t0astt> ron_frown: learn Haskell and write your apps in it
Jun 16 04:30:07 <ron_frown> if it has anything thing AT ALL
Jun 16 04:30:08 <ron_frown> with jvm
Jun 16 04:30:14 <ron_frown> i'm not going to waste my time
Jun 16 04:30:18 <ron_frown> I'v written objective c
Jun 16 04:30:21 <paulo_> It doesnt use JVM
Jun 16 04:30:22 <ron_frown> and c++
Jun 16 04:30:24 <ron_frown> havent fucked with swift
Jun 16 04:30:27 <ron_frown> paulo_ just saying
Jun 16 04:30:36 <paulo_> besides, there exist platform independent Engines
Jun 16 04:30:48 <paulo_> for example, Unity. so you don't have to code in Java.
Jun 16 04:30:57 <g00s> thats for games though
Jun 16 04:31:23 <paulo_> oh yeah, i guess that's true.
Jun 16 04:31:34 <ron_frown> yeah unity is nuts
Jun 16 04:31:45 <ron_frown> I was hoping this was the year
Jun 16 04:31:54 <paulo_> I prefer Java, then i use the java to objc compiler for iOS
Jun 16 04:31:57 <ron_frown> google was going to sever that low hanging fruit
Jun 16 04:32:06 <paulo_> java to javascript using GWT for web
Jun 16 04:32:07 <ron_frown> honestly I'd rather android be c++ with a decent GUI layer
Jun 16 04:32:44 <ron_frown> one could make the argument you can do that now
Jun 16 04:32:47 <g00s> seems like devs struggle enough with java, i think c++ would be bloodbath
Jun 16 04:32:54 <ron_frown> heres the thing
Jun 16 04:33:03 <ron_frown> c++ you can actually add whats missing
Jun 16 04:33:06 <ron_frown> java you are just fucked.
Jun 16 04:33:29 <ron_frown> I mean shit even if android was java some version released in the last 5yr
Jun 16 04:33:31 <paulo_> ron_frown: care to explain further?
Jun 16 04:33:34 <CedricBeust> ron_frown: I don't even know where to start with that claim
Jun 16 04:34:16 <g00s> i do think the java layer in android should be a thin enough facade over native that its easy to use other languages with good FFIs and have ~100% parity though
Jun 16 04:34:31 <paulo_> If you use Java right, you can modular code.
Jun 16 04:34:35 <paulo_> and what g00s said
Jun 16 04:34:59 <paulo_> *you can write
Jun 16 04:35:05 <ron_frown> I'll be the first to admit my hatred for java and all things oracle... runs REAL deep
Jun 16 04:35:13 <ron_frown> but from experience with this crap
Jun 16 04:36:14 <g00s> ron_frown sounds like a good time to sell smart meters http://www.wired.com/2015/06/smart-water-meters-let-cities-spot-drought-defiers/
Jun 16 04:36:16 <ron_frown> and I'm not trying to convince everyone else to believe the same
Jun 16 04:36:25 <CedricBeust> ron_frown: Which makes you a bad engineer right out of the bat
Jun 16 04:36:38 <ron_frown> because choosing the right tool for the job is bad
Jun 16 04:36:40 <ron_frown> yes.
Jun 16 04:36:43 <ron_frown> that makes me bad
Jun 16 04:37:03 <CedricBeust> You're not choosing the right tool for the job, you're excluding tools because you don't like their color
Jun 16 04:37:19 <CedricBeust> That's dumb.
Jun 16 04:37:24 <ron_frown> I've wretten java plenty of plenty of years
Jun 16 04:37:34 <ron_frown> I've done more with android that probably most people here honestly
Jun 16 04:37:50 <CedricBeust> Not me, I guarantee you that :)
Jun 16 04:37:52 <ron_frown> I think g00s  could probably attest to taht
Jun 16 04:38:08 <ron_frown> thats fine
Jun 16 04:38:13 <ron_frown> theres alway ssomeone thats worked on something longer
Jun 16 04:38:30 <ron_frown> its unfair for me to have established an opinion of something
Jun 16 04:38:38 <ron_frown> especially on an antiquated old version of something
Jun 16 04:38:55 <CedricBeust> That's not what you did, you said you didn't like Java because you hate Oracle
Jun 16 04:39:07 <CedricBeust> My tool color metaphor stands
Jun 16 04:39:13 <paulo_> in other news, my app was download 50k times in a one month period \o/
Jun 16 04:39:13 <ron_frown> actually no I didnt
Jun 16 04:39:17 <ron_frown> I do happen to hate oracle as well
Jun 16 04:39:31 <ron_frown> but thats more business practices and false advertising
Jun 16 04:40:35 <ron_frown> I ask the why question
Jun 16 04:41:07 <ron_frown> I feel like I'm the crazy person for asking why gradle exists, or why it has to be slow, or why it has to rape the shit out of your machine when its syncing... and that being said, how the fuck is that what people chose?
Jun 16 04:41:27 <CedricBeust> I'm actually kind of with you on that opinion
Jun 16 04:41:36 <paulo_> ^ same here
Jun 16 04:41:43 <ron_frown> thats more java community than java as it pertains to android
Jun 16 04:42:34 <ron_frown> I've done android since g1 days... and put up with it that long... through many versions of terible eclipse integration
Jun 16 04:42:35 <ron_frown> etc
Jun 16 04:42:55 <ron_frown> in about nov I was thrust right back into the java enterprise dev world
Jun 16 04:43:17 <ron_frown> and keeping an open mind, I got back into developing mvc web apps etc
Jun 16 04:43:33 <ron_frown> I get why there are people dedicated to tuning java web app servers
Jun 16 04:43:50 <ron_frown> because I've seen them perform fast, but I'll be damned if I could get them to perform fast
Jun 16 04:44:57 <g00s> without performance analysis its hard to say. maybe somebody ran a dumb query
Jun 16 04:44:58 <ron_frown> shit like elasticsearch / hadoop impresses me
Jun 16 04:45:13 <ron_frown> g00s we took somethign we built in .net, ported it to java
Jun 16 04:45:21 <ron_frown> I ran it across people I'd consider reputable in the java world
Jun 16 04:45:27 <ron_frown> technologies to use, etc
Jun 16 04:46:09 <g00s> ron_frown did you see this from today (ibm, spark) http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/15/ibm-pours-researchers-and-resources-into-apache-spark-project/
Jun 16 04:46:21 <g00s> but i've used plenty of ibm java stuff too, and its pretty crappy as well :D
Jun 16 04:46:55 <ron_frown> ihonestly my personal opinions on hadoop and the many engines and shit that sits on top of it
Jun 16 04:47:04 <ron_frown> handles payloads nothing else can, but slow as hell for anything
Jun 16 04:47:09 <ron_frown> cassandra
Jun 16 04:47:13 <ron_frown> impresses me
Jun 16 04:47:18 <ron_frown> elasticsearch is amazing
Jun 16 04:51:38 <ron_frown> g00s when i was telling my boss going with java now is like putting the first nail in the coffin that was what he told me
Jun 16 04:51:43 <TacticalJoke> ron_frown:  Look at Kotlin.
Jun 16 04:51:45 <ron_frown> lots of people use java for enterprise shit
Jun 16 04:51:49 <ron_frown> "who?"
Jun 16 04:51:50 <TacticalJoke> It's Java without the "blah".
Jun 16 04:51:51 <ron_frown> ibm
Jun 16 04:51:52 <ron_frown> HAHAHAH
Jun 16 04:51:58 <ron_frown> jvm
Jun 16 04:52:01 <ron_frown> hate to say it
Jun 16 04:52:24 <ron_frown> you can polish that turd through any number of mechanisms
Jun 16 04:52:30 <ron_frown> I mean its gotta be better than hava 1.6 or whatever
Jun 16 04:52:59 <g00s> i wish we had multi-tenant jvms on desktop
Jun 16 04:53:06 <TacticalJoke> Oh, gawd, I hated C++ with a passion.  I used it for around six years.  Hated every minute.
Jun 16 04:53:08 <ron_frown> what do you mean by that
Jun 16 04:53:13 <ron_frown> haha
Jun 16 04:53:14 <TacticalJoke> I never understand when people say "I wish we could use C++".
Jun 16 04:53:27 <TacticalJoke> There are only two possibilities: (1) they are clueless about C++ (2) they are insane.
Jun 16 04:53:40 <ron_frown> I dont know why... theres just something about c++ that appeals to me... its very... theraputic
Jun 16 04:53:51 <g00s> i'd probably save a lot of memory having one jvm running my AS, gradle daemon, and stuff like eclipse monitor, etc
Jun 16 04:53:56 <ron_frown> it lends itself to having the SHIT violated out of it
Jun 16 04:54:13 <luist> hey guys, im using this code to restart the app: http://paste.ofcode.org/4A53BAxm3z4fLPp2VJaNkk    how can i restart the app in 10 seconds instead?
Jun 16 04:54:52 <ron_frown> I heard jetbrains couldnt get somethign to work or perform with the latest oracle jvm and so they just wrote their own
Jun 16 04:55:32 <g00s> only think i liked about c++ is sometimes you really want control over memory, and that is pretty deterministic. but if you are doing long running c++ stuff, you really need stuff like valgrind, purify, coverity
Jun 16 04:55:50 <ron_frown> well some of that is HELPED by the c++11 shit
Jun 16 04:55:56 <ron_frown> scoped ptr etc
Jun 16 04:56:04 <TacticalJoke> Even though Rust looks complicated (e.g., the borrowing system), I'd quite happily start a big project in Rust.
Jun 16 04:56:05 <ron_frown> I think without c++11, stuff could be painful
Jun 16 04:56:11 <TacticalJoke> Because, unlike C++, it looks well designed.
Jun 16 04:56:22 <ron_frown> I've heard good thigns baout rust
Jun 16 04:56:28 <ron_frown> but you cant build android apps in rust can you?
Jun 16 04:56:29 <CedricBeust> Can't imagine why anyone would go to manual memory management without being forced to
Jun 16 04:56:41 <g00s> CedricBeust embedded
Jun 16 04:56:56 <ron_frown> I know you are supposed to be able to build c++ apps in android stuff, but havent had the best experiences with ndk
Jun 16 04:56:58 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, you can't really use Rust for Android.
Jun 16 04:57:15 <ron_frown> synax for kotlin seems odd to me
Jun 16 04:57:21 <TacticalJoke> Which part?
Jun 16 04:57:22 <CedricBeust> g00s: yes, hence why I said "being forced to"
Jun 16 04:57:26 <ron_frown> kidna reminds me of a bit of objc, a bit of swift
Jun 16 04:57:57 <g00s> rust has a concurrency story unlike c++ though (am i right? i don't recall anything in the language)
Jun 16 04:58:15 <squ> CedricBeust: what do you mean manual memory management?
Jun 16 04:58:17 <squ> like in C?
Jun 16 04:58:25 <squ> C has automatic memory management.
Jun 16 04:58:32 <CedricBeust> squ: No it doesn't.
Jun 16 04:58:38 <CedricBeust> I'm talking about garbage collection
Jun 16 04:58:38 <g00s> squ lolwut
Jun 16 04:58:54 <squ> { int array[10]; }
Jun 16 04:58:54 <TacticalJoke> This is awesome in Kotlin:  list.forEach { println(it) }
Jun 16 04:58:59 <squ> this is automatic
Jun 16 04:59:10 <squ> is collected automatically
Jun 16 04:59:21 <g00s> malloc free don't count :D
Jun 16 04:59:23 <CedricBeust> squ: Yes for stack vars, no for heap
Jun 16 04:59:43 <TacticalJoke> The ability to pass functions outside the parameter list (if they're the last arguments) in Kotlin is pure awesomeness.
Jun 16 04:59:56 <squ> important real-time platforms deny use of malloc
Jun 16 05:00:00 <TacticalJoke> The difference is huge.
Jun 16 05:00:20 <TacticalJoke> Take away two little symbols and readability goes up significantly.
Jun 16 05:01:01 <g00s> TacticalJoke did you see ... Manning coming out with a kotlin book
Jun 16 05:01:08 <g00s> some of the kotlin guys are writing it
Jun 16 05:01:25 <TacticalJoke> Oh, that's cool.
Jun 16 05:01:27 <TacticalJoke> I missed that somehow.
Jun 16 05:01:29 <bankai_> books already? isn't it still in heavy dev ?
Jun 16 05:01:31 <TacticalJoke> I rarely check Twitter nowadays.
Jun 16 05:01:40 <TacticalJoke> I think they're expecting 1.0 to hit this summer.
Jun 16 05:01:47 <squ> TacticalJoke: nothing interesting, I've checked just now
Jun 16 05:01:58 <TacticalJoke> What's not interesting?
Jun 16 05:02:02 <squ> twitter
Jun 16 05:02:27 <TacticalJoke> Oh.  Yeah.  It's like getting cat facts in SMS.
Jun 16 05:02:43 <squ> irc is better
Jun 16 05:02:45 <squ> :P
Jun 16 05:02:52 <g00s> twitter should get into IoT, those dumbasses
Jun 16 05:03:05 <TacticalJoke> The tiny character limit they have is really annoying.
Jun 16 05:03:35 <g00s> are they thinking about raising it ?
Jun 16 05:03:41 <g00s> i thought i read something
Jun 16 05:03:44 <groxx> anyone have any deeper grokking of the Apache 2.0 license?  does it imply you have to e.g. have a display _in your app_ of the stuff you're including, or is adding a license _file_ to the APK sufficient?
Jun 16 05:03:50 <TacticalJoke> Didn't hear anything like that.  Would be cool if so.
Jun 16 05:04:09 <g00s> thats about the most innovation we can expect out of twitter :)
Jun 16 05:04:15 <squ> TacticalJoke: it doesn't make sense
Jun 16 05:04:39 <squ> it gotta turn into blog with raised limit
Jun 16 05:04:58 <squ> who cares, anyway
Jun 16 05:19:37 <TacticalJoke> I wonder how the world will react to Kotlin 1.0.
Jun 16 05:20:02 <TacticalJoke> I hope Android people start jumping ship en masse.
Jun 16 05:20:30 <g00s> TacticalJoke hehe, i doubt it
Jun 16 05:22:05 <g00s> outside of android the language hasn't seemed to garner much momentum; and within android's community its mostly because the status quo sucks pretty bad
Jun 16 05:25:19 <g00s> i wonder if they are making the same mistake stroustrup made with c++
Jun 16 05:26:39 <TacticalJoke> The mistake of trying to make a popular language rather than a good language?
Jun 16 05:27:31 <g00s> stroustrup's decision (right or wrong, up for debate) was bring OO to the masses (C programmers) by maintaining compat with C-style decl syntax
Jun 16 05:28:27 <g00s> although it has some nice things (basically, just stuff missing from java) i doubt it goes far enough to be more than sugar ontop of what java has already
Jun 16 05:31:28 <TacticalJoke> I agree with what Andrey Breslav says in one of the Kotlin videos -- it's way more than syntax sugar: it's different abstractions.
Jun 16 05:33:37 <g00s> meh. powerful abstractions to me are things like metaobject protocol
Jun 16 05:35:36 <_rm> so is kotlin sort of like the swift of the java/android world? (not too familiar)
Jun 16 05:35:43 <g00s> i'd be happy using kotlin over what we have now in android. only reason i dont is because there is some, even if its tiny, risk because their plugin needs to integrate with the google toolchain, and i don't see much collaboration between the two
Jun 16 05:36:48 <g00s> _rm people keep saying that. it makes sense on one hand (BIRG) - basking in reflected glory / stealing thunder from Swift
Jun 16 05:37:24 <g00s> but it also implies what it replaces, java, is insufficient (as swift replaced objc)
Jun 16 05:37:32 <TacticalJoke> _rm:  It's like Java but more concise and powerful.
Jun 16 05:37:33 <g00s> and i'm sure google disagrees with that assesment
Jun 16 05:39:24 <g00s> TacticalJoke yeah but, sounds like 'Like C but with classes' ... thats what i meant with my stroustrup anaology. i don't think i goes far enough
Jun 16 05:39:34 <g00s> to push the way i think about problems anyhow
Jun 16 05:40:01 <g00s> i like languages that change the way i think about problems. if they bring entirely new things to the table
Jun 16 05:42:11 <TacticalJoke> Kotlin isn't constrained by the Java language, though.  It ignores bad stuff from Java.
Jun 16 05:42:20 <TacticalJoke> It's constrained by the JVM, but of course that's inescapable.
Jun 16 05:42:38 <g00s> and on android its constrained by ART
Jun 16 05:42:42 <g00s> (additionally)
Jun 16 05:43:39 <g00s> i'm just guessing, thats one of the reasons why Scala / Ceylon guys don't care about android. it would impact their design decisions too much, or they would have to make crazy sacrifices
Jun 16 05:50:25 <TacticalJoke> I see it as a bunch of wins.  Even seemingly tiny things such as the safe-dereference operator can make a *huge* difference to code readability.
Jun 16 05:50:41 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: how are you awake at the moment?!
Jun 16 05:50:47 <zoraj> hi guys, when I submit a new release on Play Store, I don't need to do anything to notify our users that a new version exists ?
Jun 16 05:50:49 <thepoosh> isn't it 6:00 AM by you
Jun 16 05:50:54 <zoraj> every thing is handled by Play Store ?
Jun 16 05:51:17 <thepoosh> zoraj: the play store will notify them that there is an update
Jun 16 05:51:32 <thepoosh> you can pre-create an in-app mechanism to notify them about it
Jun 16 05:51:53 <TacticalJoke> Imagine the equivalent of this in Java:  `return object?.a?.b?.c?.d?.e?.f`.  It's all null safe; it stops at the first null (and then returns null).
Jun 16 05:52:11 <TacticalJoke> The only way to achieve that in Java is to use the Null Object pattern.  But you can't use this for pre-written classes.
Jun 16 05:52:25 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I'm not sure.  ;o
Jun 16 05:52:48 <g00s> TacticalJoke yeah that is cool, but its syntactic sugar :)
Jun 16 05:52:50 <zoraj> thepoosh, I'm asking that because what we want to achieve is that when a user run up our app, it should check if a new version exists before it continue to load
Jun 16 05:53:06 <thepoosh> and then do what?
Jun 16 05:53:22 <thepoosh> you'll need a server side implementation for this
Jun 16 05:53:48 <zoraj> show up a Toast to notify if the user wants to update
Jun 16 05:54:06 <zoraj> not a Toast but a popup =)
Jun 16 05:54:10 <thepoosh> 08:53 thepoosh: you'll need a server side implementation for this
Jun 16 05:54:18 <thepoosh> in any case, that sounds like a bad UX
Jun 16 05:54:25 <TacticalJoke> Isn't every part of a programming language (strictly speaking) syntactic sugar over some other thing?
Jun 16 05:54:27 <zoraj> ok, that's what I was thinking too
Jun 16 05:54:58 <zoraj> thepoosh, what do you mean by bad UX ?
Jun 16 05:55:04 <zoraj> any suggestion ?
Jun 16 05:55:08 <thepoosh> annoying
Jun 16 05:55:19 <thepoosh> the play store already prompts that information
Jun 16 05:56:08 <zoraj> ok, thank you, and have a nice day =)
Jun 16 05:56:11 <g00s> TacticalJoke do you think, kotlin in good enough that one would choose JVM for no other reason? i suspect, to the degree that is Yes, kotlin's chances are better
Jun 16 05:57:02 <g00s> JVM over .net, whatever else
Jun 16 06:06:59 <TacticalJoke> I think the platform is good (mature + great tooling), and Kotlin is good (better than even C# in a few ways), so I guess I could imagine people picking it.  Though I'm guessing a lot of people would need a 1.0 first.
Jun 16 06:07:15 <TacticalJoke> In any case, I'm only really concerned about Android and Kotlin, personally.
Jun 16 06:08:35 <TacticalJoke> I can't imagine anyone seriously picking a development solution without taking into account the platform.  Languages alone go only so far.
Jun 16 06:16:16 <pfn> picking kotlin for the sake of kotlin?
Jun 16 06:16:18 <pfn> no
Jun 16 06:21:02 <pfn> outside of android, there are too many other good options for jvm languages
Jun 16 06:29:07 <WantToCode> If the app and the library has a same dependency, say recyclerview, can i remove it from the app's dependency?
Jun 16 06:29:26 <g00s> if your app directly uses it, leave it in
Jun 16 06:30:02 <WantToCode> if not?
Jun 16 06:30:28 <squ> g00s: can you try out my vector_drawable.xml ?
Jun 16 06:30:48 <WantToCode> g00s,  If I leave it in, will it increase the dex count? there would be double recycler content?
Jun 16 06:31:02 <g00s> no
Jun 16 06:31:25 <squ> why
Jun 16 06:31:31 <g00s> WantToCode ^^^
Jun 16 06:32:16 <squ> http://vpaste.net/um7ED
Jun 16 06:32:24 <_genuser_> hey g00s sup?
Jun 16 06:32:27 <squ> try setting this image somewhere
Jun 16 06:32:31 <squ> someone
Jun 16 06:32:39 <WantToCode> Thanks, g00s .
Jun 16 06:32:42 <g00s> WantToCode although, you could get into a mess if lib depends ob version X and app depends on version Y, you'll have to figure out some resolution strategy
Jun 16 06:33:00 <g00s> hi _genuser_
Jun 16 06:33:38 <_genuser_> g00s: man, I've been quite busy building the php portal to hit from my app. plus I had to re-isntall my OS and taking like 3 days to complete install and restore from backup.
Jun 16 06:33:41 <WantToCode> g00s, I am keeping the versions same.
Jun 16 06:33:51 <squ> hello?
Jun 16 06:34:18 <g00s> WantToCode you should define the version in ext { } block and reference that in your submodules, so you don't forget to update all of them together
Jun 16 06:34:54 <WantToCode> ok. didn't know that. ext { } of the project's build file?
Jun 16 06:35:05 <g00s> yeah, in the root. ext { rxjava = 'io.reactivex:rxjava:1.0.+' }
Jun 16 06:35:15 <WantToCode> ok Thanks a lot :)
Jun 16 06:35:45 <g00s> subprojects then say dependencies { compile rootProject.rxjava }
Jun 16 06:35:52 <squ> people?
Jun 16 06:36:11 <WantToCode> my project surpassed dex limit. I was thinking if these dependencies are playing any role. Play services is killing it though :(
Jun 16 06:36:31 <pfn> then only pull in the play services components you need
Jun 16 06:36:37 <g00s> WantToCode lol, i hope you broke your play services into the necessary bits
Jun 16 06:36:40 <WantToCode> yeah did that
Jun 16 06:36:46 <g00s> oh no :(
Jun 16 06:36:50 <_genuser_> squ: patience, bud. most likely nobody knows anything about drawing vectors at the moment. Or none that's free. Just keep asking after 20-30 minutes. eventually someone who knows will speak up.
Jun 16 06:37:16 <WantToCode> are there any disadvantages with passing the limit?
Jun 16 06:37:16 <g00s> WantToCode out of curiosity, can you pastebin your deps
Jun 16 06:37:26 <squ> _genuser_: I'm not asking, just want someone to set this image
Jun 16 06:37:35 <pfn> dex limit op
Jun 16 06:37:52 <squ> _genuser_: can you set it for the test?
Jun 16 06:37:53 <pfn> my current app is at 63k methods after proguard
Jun 16 06:37:56 <pfn> pure java
Jun 16 06:38:12 <thepoosh> pfn: are you multi-dexing?
Jun 16 06:38:13 <WantToCode> g00s, http://pastebin.com/4GFcUw6c
Jun 16 06:38:21 <pfn> no
Jun 16 06:38:27 <squ> pfn: try setting this image http://vpaste.net/um7ED
Jun 16 06:38:40 <thepoosh> maybe you should, sounds like it will fix you up
Jun 16 06:38:51 <g00s> WantToCode wow, i didn't think those would push you over
Jun 16 06:39:00 <pfn> eh, proguard is faster than multidex
Jun 16 06:39:17 <thepoosh> true, but you said you're at 63K after
Jun 16 06:39:33 <pfn> yeah, 63k after running proguard
Jun 16 06:39:41 <pfn> I still have 1k headroom
Jun 16 06:39:52 <squ> someone?
Jun 16 06:39:54 <_genuser_> squ: taht's what I meant, probably no one is able to help atm. I don't have my android dev env up yet. I'm re-installing my OS and all apps. taking some times. :)
Jun 16 06:39:57 <thepoosh> that is not that much
Jun 16 06:40:12 <WantToCode> yeah g00s something is not right. like play-services dependency is used in app and login-gcm module. This made me ask my first question. Will they be doubled?
Jun 16 06:40:12 <_genuser_> thepoosh: yo.
Jun 16 06:40:15 <squ> _genuser_: ridiculous
Jun 16 06:40:28 <pfn> thepoosh, I'll cross that bridge when I get there
Jun 16 06:40:33 <squ> thepoosh: do you have dev env setup?
Jun 16 06:40:39 <thepoosh> _genuser_: hi hi
Jun 16 06:40:43 <g00s> WantToCode when you look at transitive deps, is there something weird getting pulled ? try 'gradle dependencies' in your app directory
Jun 16 06:40:49 <_genuser_> squ: yep, I had to redo my OS and all app, and data restore. almost 500G restoring on this old computer taking forever!!!
Jun 16 06:40:49 <thepoosh> squ: how do you mean?
Jun 16 06:41:02 <squ> thepoosh: try that image please http://vpaste.net/um7ED
Jun 16 06:41:19 <_genuser_> thepoosh: hey man, just redoing my OS. and when it's done, working on my PHP portal to be able to hit it from my app.
Jun 16 06:41:42 <pfn> thepoosh, https://gist.github.com/4f008d281c42063e56f4
Jun 16 06:41:42 <pfn> heh
Jun 16 06:42:54 <squ> pfn: do you have android dev env?
Jun 16 06:44:11 <squ> hey
Jun 16 06:44:13 <squ> ?
Jun 16 06:45:27 <WantToCode> g00s, it gave me a long ass graphical structure  :P
Jun 16 06:45:30 <WantToCode> let me see
Jun 16 06:45:52 <g00s> i wonder how many methods are in rxjava
Jun 16 06:46:10 <_genuser_> 200
Jun 16 06:46:18 <g00s> my browser struggles to load the javadoc for Observables.java :D
Jun 16 06:46:29 <_genuser_> you're probably using IE.
Jun 16 06:46:30 <_genuser_> :p
Jun 16 06:47:47 <WantToCode> g00s, looks like I should fork and use materialviewpager just like i am using material-list :P
Jun 16 06:48:24 <squ> WantToCode: can you test an image?
Jun 16 06:48:51 <WantToCode> squ, sorry don't know how to
Jun 16 06:49:04 <squ> just save it as .xml file?
Jun 16 06:49:31 <squ> and put it as drawable-v21, and background="@drawable/myfile.xml"
Jun 16 06:49:36 <metafield> Hey
Jun 16 06:49:46 <squ> metafield: can you test an image for me?
Jun 16 06:49:55 <metafield> sure
Jun 16 06:50:02 <squ> http://vpaste.net/um7ED
Jun 16 06:50:03 <metafield> I don't usually come here though I came to report something weird
Jun 16 06:50:04 <squ> this one
Jun 16 06:50:14 <squ> yes, this is something weird
Jun 16 06:50:57 <squ> guys?
Jun 16 06:51:05 <metafield> I've caught recycler views losing their contents multiple times now in android 5.1, once on my own app and once on spotify and other app, on multiple devices. So if you get a random blank listview, don't assume it's your code
Jun 16 06:51:22 <squ> metafield: have you tried it?
Jun 16 06:51:42 <metafield> the image? it doesnt display in my browser if thats what you mean
Jun 16 06:51:52 <squ> it is for android
Jun 16 06:51:55 <squ> ...
Jun 16 06:52:13 <thepoosh> pfn: cool packagename
Jun 16 06:52:20 <metafield> oh sorry im tired i tohught it was random xml, sorry
Jun 16 06:52:24 <thepoosh> i was told the design lib sucks
Jun 16 06:52:34 <pfn> thepoosh, obfuscated as necessary
Jun 16 06:52:36 <metafield> I imagine it is the design lib
Jun 16 06:52:38 <thepoosh> squ: trying now
Jun 16 06:52:42 <squ> metafield: that is random VectorDrawable xml
Jun 16 06:53:00 <metafield> mm I haven't had a chance to test out vector drawables
Jun 16 06:53:05 <squ> thepoosh: and?
Jun 16 06:53:10 <metafield> let me start a project and test
Jun 16 06:53:28 <squ> metafield: why new project, just put it somewhere
Jun 16 06:54:16 <squ> guys?
Jun 16 06:54:19 <squ> hello?
Jun 16 06:55:55 <metafield> i can just put it somewhere?
Jun 16 06:55:58 <squ> yes
Jun 16 06:56:03 <squ> if it crash, just tell it
Jun 16 06:56:09 <squ> it is what happens here
Jun 16 06:56:29 <metafield> what am i saving it as?
Jun 16 06:56:36 <thepoosh> squ: cute
Jun 16 06:56:42 <thepoosh> wanna screenshot?
Jun 16 06:56:47 <metafield> i tried opening both as sql and html
Jun 16 06:56:48 <squ> thepoosh: it works?
Jun 16 06:56:53 <thepoosh> yeah
Jun 16 06:56:55 <thepoosh> just a sec
Jun 16 06:57:03 <squ> thepoosh: no need screenshot
Jun 16 06:57:10 <squ> this is stock android material button
Jun 16 06:57:13 <squ> (official)
Jun 16 06:57:14 <thepoosh> oh
Jun 16 06:57:20 <squ> but it crash here
Jun 16 06:57:24 <thepoosh> looks nice, the ic_menu_edit?
Jun 16 06:57:27 <squ> yes
Jun 16 06:57:37 <thepoosh> works for minSdk=22
Jun 16 06:57:46 <squ> I have minSdk=21
Jun 16 06:57:48 <thepoosh> but throws on anything else
Jun 16 06:57:59 <thepoosh> i'll check
Jun 16 06:58:00 <squ> throws? what do you mean?
Jun 16 06:58:16 <thepoosh> lint error
Jun 16 06:59:43 <thepoosh> works fine with genymotion 5.0
Jun 16 07:00:19 <squ> AndroidRuntime    android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #28: Error inflating class <unknown>
Jun 16 07:00:39 <squ> if I comment the path line, it works
Jun 16 07:00:49 <squ> no crash
Jun 16 07:05:23 <s9iper1> any body tell me some good library for contacts ?
Jun 16 07:12:02 <Marcdejonge> hi all
Jun 16 07:12:37 <Marcdejonge> is this the right place to ask for some help on android development?
Jun 16 07:15:22 <squ> Marcdejonge: sure
Jun 16 07:15:34 <Marcdejonge> I'm trying to create an enterprise app that can perform pinning on other apps. I'm already device owner and can pin my own activities without user consent, but now I would like to do the same thing to other apps. Is this even possible?
Jun 16 07:16:10 <osxorgate> with recyclerview, do i understand correctly that if i have a gridlayoutmanager with say 3 columns, i can have items use 1/2/3 collumns as i see fit/
Jun 16 07:16:10 <Marcdejonge> I've already tried starting another activity from my own pinned activity, but this is not allowed
Jun 16 07:17:07 <Marcdejonge> I also tried this piece of code:
Jun 16 07:17:17 <Marcdejonge>                     IBinder activityManager = ServiceManager.getService("activity");
Jun 16 07:17:17 <Marcdejonge>                     Parcel data = Parcel.obtain();
Jun 16 07:17:17 <Marcdejonge>                     Parcel reply = Parcel.obtain();
Jun 16 07:17:17 <Marcdejonge>                     data.writeInterfaceToken("android.app.IActivityManager");
Jun 16 07:17:17 <Marcdejonge>                     activityManager.transact(START_LOCK_TASK_BY_CURRENT_TRANSACTION, data, reply, 0);
Jun 16 07:17:18 <Marcdejonge>                     reply.readException();
Jun 16 07:17:18 <Marcdejonge>                     data.recycle();
Jun 16 07:17:19 <Marcdejonge>                     reply.recycle();
Jun 16 07:17:36 <Marcdejonge> But then I need permissions that are only available to system apps
Jun 16 07:18:40 <metafield> Marcdejonge: every app in android decides, itself, what can and can't be done to it
Jun 16 07:19:21 <Marcdejonge> not even when I'm device owner?
Jun 16 07:19:30 <Marcdejonge> It is possible on the iPad...
Jun 16 07:20:11 <g00s> osxorgate yeah
Jun 16 07:20:31 <osxorgate> g00s: that's wonderful! with i knew this 2 weeks ago :)
Jun 16 07:20:49 <osxorgate> now if only they added onItemClick to recyclerview
Jun 16 07:21:52 <metafield> squ oh it was that pencil
Jun 16 07:22:14 <squ> metafield: it took you 30 minutes to paste text
Jun 16 07:22:22 <squ> metafield: it doesn't crash, yes?
Jun 16 07:22:57 <metafield> well, It took me 30 mins to install the new updates, then i assumed that image was a 'cannot display' image =/
Jun 16 07:23:19 <metafield> I started android dev two days ago
Jun 16 07:23:57 <metafield> no crash, im viewing it in my drawable folder
Jun 16 07:24:10 <metafield> if there is another way to view this kind of vector, i dont know it
Jun 16 07:25:36 <metafield> your crash in an inflate error, I feel like maybe what you are looking for is in the java file
Jun 16 07:25:56 <thepoosh> ישהק טםו ארןקג בךקשמ נוןךג?
Jun 16 07:26:01 <thepoosh> have you tried clean build
Jun 16 07:27:31 <metafield> link your full xml, what is line 28?
Jun 16 07:29:06 <Marcdejonge> ok, I think there is another way to perform a kind of AppLock. As device owner I can hide other applications (for the user it is like they are uninstalled). But then all the icons are also removed from the Launcher, even after I've restored the apps. Is there a way to backup and restore these settings for the launcher?
Jun 16 07:31:44 <squ> metafield: I'm trying same xml that I pasted
Jun 16 07:32:04 <squ> I copy-pasted path data from android stock ic_mode_edit
Jun 16 07:32:24 <metafield> Marcdejonge:  I did more research, it's as i thought
Jun 16 07:32:49 <metafield> Marcdejonge: the android os is very interesting in that every app is an island in terms of security
Jun 16 07:33:37 <metafield> the sql you posted cannot be inflated squ
Jun 16 07:33:52 <metafield> so the error is happening somewhere else
Jun 16 07:34:19 <squ> metafield: I get same error
Jun 16 07:34:47 <squ> AndroidRuntime    android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #28: Error inflating class <unknown>
Jun 16 07:34:47 <squ> AndroidRuntime    at android.view.LayoutInflater.createView(LayoutInflater.java:633)
Jun 16 07:35:39 <metafield> line 28 in an xml file right?
Jun 16 07:35:47 <squ> metafield: if you comment the <path /> tag you'll see it works
Jun 16 07:35:57 <metafield> hrm
Jun 16 07:36:38 <squ> line #28 is: layout/activity.xml
Jun 16 07:40:05 <metafield> link your acitivity xml
Jun 16 07:40:31 <metafield> i just also tested on my nexus 4
Jun 16 07:40:35 <squ> and?
Jun 16 07:40:45 <metafield> you have made an error unrelated to the vector, i think
Jun 16 07:41:05 <squ> it is just an empty activity with <Button background="@drawable/image.xml"
Jun 16 07:42:18 <metafield> i'll try that, hold on
Jun 16 07:42:34 <squ> no need
Jun 16 07:42:46 <thepoosh> i did it with a regular view
Jun 16 07:43:09 <thepoosh> squ: is the height or width wrap_content?
Jun 16 07:43:57 <squ> 		android:layout_width="48dp"
Jun 16 07:43:57 <squ> 		android:layout_height="48dp"
Jun 16 07:44:08 <metafield> works
Jun 16 07:44:26 <squ> #!*&
Jun 16 07:44:41 <metafield> here it comes
Jun 16 07:45:04 <squ> metafield: what is your minSdk and targetSdk ?
Jun 16 07:45:33 <metafield> 16, 22
Jun 16 07:45:41 <metafield> i put the vector in a -21 file
Jun 16 07:46:05 <metafield> there are ways around pre 5.1
Jun 16 07:46:25 <metafield> so that you can do api 9-22+
Jun 16 07:46:58 <metafield> may I ask why you want to use a 'button' specifically?
Jun 16 07:59:38 <squ> metafield: button is button :)
Jun 16 07:59:50 <g00s> thepoosh any big new features planned ?
Jun 16 07:59:52 <metafield> mhm
Jun 16 08:00:00 <metafield> but vectors have a height
Jun 16 08:00:11 <thepoosh> g00s: next version (few days) has picture messages
Jun 16 08:00:14 <thepoosh> which is nice
Jun 16 08:00:38 <g00s> picture message
Jun 16 08:00:42 <metafield> why not extend a view, put a click listener and animate it?
Jun 16 08:00:46 <g00s> instead of videos ?
Jun 16 08:00:51 <squ> metafield: why?
Jun 16 08:00:56 <thepoosh> g00s: addition to video
Jun 16 08:01:00 <squ> metafield: why view? when there is a button
Jun 16 08:01:05 <thepoosh> video is our value preposition
Jun 16 08:01:12 <squ> if you want a button, use button, no ? :)
Jun 16 08:01:21 <metafield> im not sure
Jun 16 08:01:38 <metafield> it feels like button was made before the idea of floating buttons
Jun 16 08:02:06 <metafield> so the right way to animate a vector drawable button might be making your own class
Jun 16 08:02:15 <squ> floating button is button with circular shape
Jun 16 08:02:34 <squ> why your own class
Jun 16 08:02:35 <metafield> square animated buttons are also in the design specification
Jun 16 08:03:15 <metafield> because you can extend a view, it's probably more simple than that even - you could do something along the lines of putting a click listener on an image view
Jun 16 08:03:38 <squ> why
Jun 16 08:03:43 <metafield> I'd extend imageView and make a class so I can animate it with code
Jun 16 08:03:49 <squ> if you have a button with onClick="clickButton"
Jun 16 08:04:03 <squ> what do you animate?
Jun 16 08:04:07 <metafield> but the old buttons don't react in the 'material' way
Jun 16 08:04:12 <squ> they react
Jun 16 08:04:20 <squ> set elevation to them
Jun 16 08:04:22 <metafield> buttons are supposed to float up to the screen in android 5+
Jun 16 08:05:03 <metafield> it feels redundant because android is already drawing your vector in 3d space
Jun 16 08:05:22 <squ> you put random statements in chat
Jun 16 08:06:26 <metafield> I don't know this sdk, but having something like a button which is designed to animate flat raster objects, then putting a vector which has a z axis into that is doign the same thing once again
Jun 16 08:06:54 <squ> if you don't know, then pick sample from android sources
Jun 16 08:07:12 <squ> they have set stateListAnimator for the <Button>
Jun 16 08:07:28 <squ> which animates "elevation" parameter
Jun 16 08:07:35 <squ> which is just a shadow
Jun 16 08:08:49 <squ> here
Jun 16 08:08:49 <squ> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2014/10/implementing-material-design-in-your.html
Jun 16 08:09:09 <squ> button background is set to <ripple> <item shape="oval" /> </ripple>
Jun 16 08:09:15 <squ> which makes it circular
Jun 16 08:09:38 <squ> idk why you speak about custom classes, imageview clickevent listeners, and such
Jun 16 08:10:27 <metafield> okay i'll look at it
Jun 16 08:11:44 <metafield> yes. They used an ImageButton
Jun 16 08:12:01 <metafield> they already extended the class for you
Jun 16 08:12:27 <squ> :)
Jun 16 08:12:31 <squ> I'm using <Button>
Jun 16 08:12:44 <metafield> I was only aware of Button, in other SDK's it's normal to just extend what need out of what is there and go from there
Jun 16 08:14:39 <metafield> hmm hold on
Jun 16 08:16:18 <metafield> they omit the code o keep it short, I don't know if they use vector or not there
Jun 16 08:17:14 <metafield> what im basically trying to say is; from glancing at the debugger, vectors are drawn using the UI thread. you are already spending resources drawing them
Jun 16 08:18:09 <metafield> if you set up an animator to animate a vector, isn't that giving a vector specific instructions to do something it can do on it's own?
Jun 16 08:19:28 <metafield> all of these old controls were designed before vector drawables, They should work but it might not be the most efficient way
Jun 16 08:20:54 <squ> this is opinion
Jun 16 08:21:12 <asimas> Hey all. Anyone could explain the error in this code? http://pastebin.com/P4J0SAaK I thought putParcelableArrayList would create a copy of the given array. But the logs print out 2 and 0.
Jun 16 08:24:57 <metafield> im tired
Jun 16 08:25:14 <metafield> asimas: but wouldn't it be 2 and 0 ? since you cleared it?
Jun 16 08:26:05 <asimas> metafield, so adding an ArrayList to a bundle doesn't create a copy?
Jun 16 08:27:51 <chrisaardal> hey, Im trying to place a getDrawingCache() bitmap on a picture which is 1280x720. Problem comes with the different screen densities. How can I get the X and Y coords given the picture is 1280x720?
Jun 16 08:29:33 <metafield> asimas: you added 2 bmp's. put them in a bundle, assign those two to a list, you printed the number of objects in that list: 2 cleared the list, and pronted again: 0
Jun 16 08:31:32 <metafield> hrm
Jun 16 08:31:51 <metafield> chrisaardal:  I see what you are saying, those bitmaps are references
Jun 16 08:32:41 <metafield> if you want a copy of them you'll have to make your own Bitmap list
Jun 16 08:34:03 <metafield> I really recommend you read about the android lifecycle
Jun 16 08:34:31 <asimas> metafield, you misunderstand my intention. I thought that the ArrayList objects would be parcelled to a whole different object and afterwards re-created. But it seems that the references to the objects are actually shared.
Jun 16 08:34:51 <metafield> yeah that's what im saying
Jun 16 08:35:29 <metafield> it is a reference, it makes sense too, because you wouldnt want to be recreating a bunch of resources when saving your state
Jun 16 08:35:52 <asimas> So does that mean that onSaveInstanceState just saves a bunch of references?
Jun 16 08:36:37 <metafield> good question
Jun 16 08:36:40 <asimas> It doesn't sound right
Jun 16 08:37:13 <Marcdejonge> in there maybe a way for a device owner application to be installed in the /system dir?
Jun 16 08:37:26 <metafield> it's either saving references and dumping the resources somewhere for later or saving a copy of the bitmaps at the reference
Jun 16 08:37:32 <metafield> i imagine it's the latter
Jun 16 08:38:10 <chrisaardal> metafield, As Im doing it now i just merge the two. Both the 1280x720 picture, and the drawingCache() with X and Y coordinates for the screen
Jun 16 08:38:41 <chrisaardal> Say my screen where 720p I prolly would get the right coordinates
Jun 16 08:38:46 <asimas> metafield, that's why I'm confused. If it makes copies of the bitmaps then why are they shared with the local arraylist.
Jun 16 08:39:36 <metafield> they are absolutely references
Jun 16 08:39:48 <metafield> the idea is that you would never save the state of bitmaps
Jun 16 08:40:09 <metafield> when you app relaunches, it redraws everything
Jun 16 08:40:28 <metafield> the only things you should be saving are variables that are important
Jun 16 08:40:36 <Echsenkoenig> I've got a problem. I start my App, the main activity can be seen for a second, then it jumps out of the activity to the last seen activity (Home, other App,...) Has someone an idea why this happens? Even more interesting: it works when running from Android Studio or starting it manually on the CMD via ADB. But I want to start my App from a C# Project, using the package RegawMOD.Android
Jun 16 08:40:52 <chrisaardal> ur'e refering to me right? me
Jun 16 08:40:53 <metafield> if you were making a game it would be stuff like 'current hp, positions of the enemies'
Jun 16 08:40:57 <asimas> metafield, bitmaps are just examples. I'm talking about Parcelables in general. Why would bitmap implement parcelable if it's not meant to be saved?
Jun 16 08:41:26 <metafield> im going to guess and say that bundles are expecting tuples
Jun 16 08:42:05 <metafield> because it is going to make a copy of anything you reference it i imagine
Jun 16 08:42:28 <metafield> you have two options
Jun 16 08:42:39 <metafield> (if you are google)
Jun 16 08:43:36 <metafield> first: you make your operating system take the value of a bitmap, so in that case you are passing the bitmap itself, the os would then need to do with that bitmap, what needs to be done to save it.
Jun 16 08:44:03 <metafield> second. you make the dev pass a reference to the file it want a copy of, skipping the whole step of passing a bitmap
Jun 16 08:44:25 <metafield> really, it means you cannot clear that bitmap list
Jun 16 08:44:44 <metafield> you may think 'well then im not cleaning up the memory stored in those bitmaps
Jun 16 08:44:45 <asimas> metafield, my confusion comes from this: onSaveInstanceState is called whenever the app is minimized or the configuration changes, so it would only seem logic that it would save copies of the objects in raw files. However now it seems that it just saves references in memory. How is that considered memory management?
Jun 16 08:45:28 <metafield> why would it save copies of bitmaps in raw files :)
Jun 16 08:45:38 <metafield> it already has every copy in it's res
Jun 16 08:46:10 <metafield> you should never need to save a bitmap unless your app is like a paint/drawing app or a photo editor
Jun 16 08:47:02 <asimas> metafield, hmm I meant save in files so it doesn't stay in the memory.
Jun 16 08:47:37 <metafield> oh dont worry about that, android takes care of that for you
Jun 16 08:47:55 <metafield> you can clear your own bitmap lists still
Jun 16 08:48:08 <metafield> you don't need to bndle them
Jun 16 08:50:04 <metafield> asimas: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/BitmapFactory.Options.html#inBitmap
Jun 16 08:51:20 <metafield> they seem to change how it works every API
Jun 16 08:52:07 <metafield> I dont want to lead you down the wrong path, android will take care of your memory, but you should kill it when your app is not in focus
Jun 16 08:52:33 <metafield> Main to stop users associating your app with high memory costs
Jun 16 08:55:46 <asimas> metafield, Umm I seem to fail to explain my actual problem. This is another example: http://pastebin.com/KzAdwxCC  Whenever the application is going to the background or config changes, I want the static list to be cleared so it doesn't take up memory and saved so it can be re-created later.
Jun 16 08:56:07 <aviran> Hello, is it possible to mark storage space as taken (without actuall writing files) to preserve 1GB of space for example for my app?
Jun 16 08:56:19 <danijoo> aviran, no
Jun 16 08:56:25 <aviran> thanks
Jun 16 08:56:27 <danijoo> take it or leave it
Jun 16 08:57:18 <thepoosh> you know nothing danijoo snow
Jun 16 08:57:24 <metafield> asimas:  it is making a copy of the references you are passing
Jun 16 08:57:55 <danijoo> asimas, you dont need to clear the list manually. if android needs memory, it will just shutdown your app
Jun 16 08:58:14 <danijoo> its fine to save it in onSaveInstanceState but theres really no point in releaseing the resource after that
Jun 16 08:58:30 <metafield> you should clear your memory though
Jun 16 08:58:42 <danijoo> but not List<POJO> ^^
Jun 16 08:58:57 <metafield> firstly, if you don't your app will be axed first, secondly people will associate your app with high cost of resrouces
Jun 16 08:58:59 <danijoo> this is not c++
Jun 16 08:59:48 <danijoo> and who cares about app being destroyed. thats why we implement onSaveInstanceState
Jun 16 08:59:55 <metafield> i'll admit i don't know enough about android yet but isnt a list of bitmaps pretty substantial to leave hanging in memory
Jun 16 09:00:16 <danijoo> if you dont actually leak it, who cares
Jun 16 09:00:25 <danijoo> android will clean up after you if you do things right
Jun 16 09:00:53 <metafield> i switched to chrome in 08 because its memory footprint was much smaller than firefox ::>
Jun 16 09:01:17 <danijoo> said no one ever :D
Jun 16 09:01:32 <danijoo> oh well.. 08
Jun 16 09:01:33 <metafield> i really did
Jun 16 09:01:43 <danijoo> thats before it became more hungry than windows itself
Jun 16 09:01:51 <metafield> phones resources is like dealing with 00's computing
Jun 16 09:02:11 <danijoo> but only because of java heap mem :(
Jun 16 09:02:59 <danijoo> thepoosh, what do I not know?
Jun 16 09:03:02 <metafield> google changes the lifecycle to allow you to safely pack your app up
Jun 16 09:03:19 <asimas> danijoo, so I should save the list content but not clear it?
Jun 16 09:03:23 <thepoosh> http://static.thefrisky.com/uploads/2013/06/03/you-know-nothing-06-0313-400x300.jpg
Jun 16 09:03:26 <danijoo> asimas, yeah
Jun 16 09:03:48 <danijoo> thepoosh, i got the reference. just not why you randomly drop that on me ;)
Jun 16 09:04:00 <thepoosh> because I'm cool
Jun 16 09:04:00 <metafield> im sticking by my guns as an old c++ game engine dev ;)
Jun 16 09:04:06 <thepoosh> one day you might understand
Jun 16 09:04:07 <danijoo> thepoosh, accepted reason
Jun 16 09:04:11 <metafield> delete that bitmap list
Jun 16 09:04:44 <metafield> Those that pointeth shall be vanquished!
Jun 16 09:05:22 <asimas> danijoo, that's all fine but when the state is being restored later am I sure about anything on the static array? Will it be clear? Will it be null?
Jun 16 09:05:53 <danijoo> its static>
Jun 16 09:05:56 <danijoo> ?
Jun 16 09:06:05 <asimas> danijoo, http://pastebin.com/KzAdwxCC it is
Jun 16 09:06:14 <metafield> afaik your singletons are preserved
Jun 16 09:06:26 <danijoo> cant say that in general\
Jun 16 09:06:32 <danijoo> they "might"
Jun 16 09:06:53 <asimas> What i'm afraid is that the static list will continue taking up memory when the app is in the background.
Jun 16 09:06:54 <danijoo> if your whole app got destroyed, its up to you to reinitialize them
Jun 16 09:07:42 <danijoo> a self growing list? ^^
Jun 16 09:08:04 <danijoo> it cant grow if you dont make it grow
Jun 16 09:08:09 <danijoo> and if you do, well. thats wrong
Jun 16 09:08:41 <metafield> i can link a video of reto meier being angry if you want?
Jun 16 09:09:18 <metafield> it is taking memory, as is every other badly managed app
Jun 16 09:09:37 <Chainfire> Re: LeakCanary blog post ( https://corner.squareup.com/2015/05/leak-canary.html ), Cat / Box / Docker example: I'm not seeing why this is a leak? ( JakeWharton ? )
Jun 16 09:09:49 <metafield> android will take a shotgun to them, like a big shovelware shooting gallery
Jun 16 09:09:58 <metafield> only the beautiful will survive
Jun 16 09:10:19 <metafield> ushering a new age of properly memory manged apps to co-incide wit hthe android studio c++ update
Jun 16 09:10:35 <Chainfire> metafield I'd love to see a video with reto meier being angry (I hope he's frustrated by people promising they'll get back to him on things, and they never did)
Jun 16 09:10:50 <danijoo> Chainfire, Box and Cat cannot be recycled because they are stored in a static variable
Jun 16 09:10:57 <metafield> :>
Jun 16 09:11:06 <Chainfire> danijoo well yeah, but that's expected behavior in that piece of code, no?
Jun 16 09:11:10 <danijoo> so... when activity goes onDestroy your cat will still sit in its box
Jun 16 09:11:17 <metafield> he has a few videos ranting about this topic
Jun 16 09:11:26 <danijoo> Chainfire, thats up to you. leakcanary cant tell you if its expected
Jun 16 09:11:26 <asimas> danijoo, it doesn't grow on it's own, but it will continue taking up the memory right? I thought that's why we have onSaveInstanceState - so killed activities activity's can re-create properly.
Jun 16 09:11:40 <danijoo> it can only hint you to not gc'able variables
Jun 16 09:12:05 <danijoo> asimas, yes. but if android needs the memory for another app, it will take it
Jun 16 09:12:17 <Chainfire> danijoo so then it would report all statically referenced objects to leak?
Jun 16 09:12:36 <danijoo> onSaveInxstanceState is to "save" your stuff so IF android needs it it can claim it back without your app crashing on opening again
Jun 16 09:13:05 <danijoo> Chainfire, i think only the one you are watching. never used it
Jun 16 09:13:09 <asimas> danijoo, will the saved state bundle stay intact after the memory is claimed by another app and later user returns to my app?
Jun 16 09:13:20 <danijoo> asimas, yes. thats its whole purpose
Jun 16 09:13:31 <Chainfire> danijoo ok, just trying to clarify what I'm seeing :P
Jun 16 09:13:41 <danijoo> the bundle is sent to the packagemenager which will send it back to your app if its restarted
Jun 16 09:13:50 <danijoo> or at least sth like that
Jun 16 09:14:05 <asimas> danijoo, oh great :)
Jun 16 09:14:11 <danijoo> pretty sure Mavrik- will now come and say " this is not entirely true" like always when i try to explain something :D
Jun 16 09:14:36 <asimas> Thanks for the help danijoo, metafield
Jun 16 09:15:13 <metafield> asimas:  read lifecycle!
Jun 16 09:15:26 <metafield> don't listen to sinners, manage memory! godspeed!
Jun 16 09:15:39 <asimas> metafield, :D
Jun 16 09:16:00 <metafield> the bitmap factory seems to be the way i think
Jun 16 09:16:46 <Ribesg> So I've got a Fragment, with an EditText then a ListView, in a VerticalLayout. When the app/activity/fragment opens, it opened the keyboard immediately: the EditText took the focus and never gave it back
Jun 16 09:17:04 <Ribesg> Now I managed to prevent it from gaining focus, by calling requestFocus() on the ListView
Jun 16 09:17:30 <Ribesg> But what now? When I enter something in the EditText, the Keyboard never closes, even if I browse the ListView
Jun 16 09:18:52 <Ribesg> I tried requesting the focus onScroll, but this event seems to be flooded or something, because it freezes mostly
Jun 16 09:19:43 <danijoo> it should release the focus if you click on something that is not the edit text
Jun 16 09:19:56 <Ribesg> It doesn't
Jun 16 09:20:11 <Ribesg> http://ci.ribesg.fr/job/Encypokedia/
Jun 16 09:20:16 <Ribesg> (You can try)
Jun 16 09:21:25 <danijoo> i wont search your repo for the file
Jun 16 09:22:00 <danijoo> also never trust in emulators like that
Jun 16 09:22:12 <Ribesg> danijoo, it does the same on my phone
Jun 16 09:22:20 <Ribesg> And on my local emulator
Jun 16 09:22:41 <danijoo> show your layout file
Jun 16 09:23:27 <Ribesg> Well
Jun 16 09:23:28 <Ribesg> https://github.com/Ribesg/Encypokedia/blob/master/PokeApp/src/main/kotlin/fr/ribesg/android/encypokedia/activity/fragment/ListFragment.kt
Jun 16 09:23:52 <danijoo> ah sorry. i dont debug anko :/
Jun 16 09:23:55 <danijoo> its so hard to read
Jun 16 09:23:58 <asimas> fun search(query: String) { } lol
Jun 16 09:24:25 <danijoo> but nice to see you are into pokemnon AND kotlin :D
Jun 16 09:24:32 <Ribesg> I don't know it seems far more clear than XML to me, but anyway
Jun 16 09:24:36 <Ribesg> So you think it's not normal?
Jun 16 09:24:42 <Ribesg> That the keyboard doesn't disappear
Jun 16 09:24:50 <Ribesg> I mean I can always hit the back button
Jun 16 09:25:07 <danijoo> no idea what anko sets as default params to lists and edit texts and stuff
Jun 16 09:25:28 <Ribesg> I guess the same as in XML
Jun 16 09:25:40 <Ribesg> If you don't put a value in the XML, it certainly has a default value
Jun 16 09:26:00 <danijoo> in xml you have to set a lot of stuff explicitly, that anko does for you
Jun 16 09:26:04 <danijoo> like sizes
Jun 16 09:26:11 <Ribesg> Hmm
Jun 16 09:26:25 <Ribesg> So I should look at what you can set on...
Jun 16 09:26:47 <Ribesg> Maybe it's the ListView
Jun 16 09:26:49 <Ribesg> I don't know
Jun 16 09:27:08 <danijoo> me neither
Jun 16 09:27:10 <Ribesg> I saw hacks on SO to programmatically hide the keyboard, but I was pretty sure something was wrong
Jun 16 09:27:37 <Ribesg> (And it didn't work well anyway)
Jun 16 09:34:16 <asimas> Ribesg, I think you'd have to do something like this: http://pastebin.com/DwGZxuhw
Jun 16 09:40:00 <barq> Ribesg: can you not set this in the manifest?
Jun 16 09:49:02 <bankai_> g00s: mmmm you're not wrong about lambda land fixing rxjava's code vomit
Jun 16 09:51:31 <Chainfire> Ribesg / danijoo how backwards compatible is kotlin with java?
Jun 16 09:51:51 <Ribesg> What do you mean by backward compatible
Jun 16 09:52:00 <danijoo> Chainfire, backwards?
Jun 16 09:52:17 <danijoo> you mean until what java version or what?
Jun 16 09:52:24 <tagrudev> hello guys/girls I am using http://square.github.io/retrofit/ and I was wondering if someone of you have implemented http://jsonapi.org/
Jun 16 09:52:26 <tagrudev> with it
Jun 16 09:52:38 <Chainfire> eh, well I personally have no experience with Kotlin, just read about it a little bit. From waht I've read it interacts very well with Java and can be compiled to JavaScript. So actually the question is, can you use Kotlin to compile Java to JavaScript ? :)
Jun 16 09:52:52 <danijoo> Chainfire, no
Jun 16 09:53:11 <danijoo> you can rewrite all your stuff in kotlin and then compile it to javascript or java byte code though
Jun 16 09:53:52 <Chainfire> meh
Jun 16 09:53:55 <tagrudev> JakeWharton, ^
Jun 16 09:54:26 <Chainfire> perhaps an odd question, I'm just looking at various things for x-platform (Android, iOS, Linux, Windows (+phone), OS X) for a new project
Jun 16 09:54:35 <chrisaardal> Any way to encode bitmaps into a video?
Jun 16 09:54:56 <Chainfire> (and came across Kotlin's --> JS capability somewhere)
Jun 16 09:55:20 <Chainfire> (also for some reason I thought Kotlin was based on Java)
Jun 16 09:55:44 <danijoo> no. it just runs on the same VM
Jun 16 09:55:54 <danijoo> they produce the same bytecode, thats all
Jun 16 09:56:02 <Chainfire> makes sense
Jun 16 09:56:15 <danijoo> thats why you can use it in android
Jun 16 09:56:53 <danijoo> Am I blind or why cant I spot the difference between json and "json api"
Jun 16 09:57:05 <bankai_> Chainfire: if you're interested in cross platform stuff, have a look at libgdx
Jun 16 09:57:26 <danijoo> thats something completly different.
Jun 16 09:57:36 <danijoo> libgdx is a framework and kotlin is a programming language
Jun 16 09:57:47 <danijoo> you can code in kotlin and still use libgdx
Jun 16 09:58:06 <Chainfire> bankai_ it's not a game, and I probably want platform-native UI, just a shared core
Jun 16 09:58:15 <Chainfire> didn't the libgdx's main developer get snatched up by RoboVM ?
Jun 16 09:58:32 <bankai_> yeah he works for them
Jun 16 09:58:33 <adq> android studio got killed, now it's in a crazy state, with many "java.lang.AssertionError: Unexpected content storage modification", settings are lost lol, project favorites disappeard, "com.intellij.diagnostic.MessagePool$TooManyErrorsException: Too many IDE fatal errors. Monitoring stopped." etc...
Jun 16 09:58:39 <Chainfire> (honestly I'd prefer Java core to C++, but if C++ is the way to go, then it is ... :)
Jun 16 09:58:45 <adq> stuff cannot survive a kill...
Jun 16 09:58:45 <bankai_> a lot of his iOS stuff uses UIKit
Jun 16 10:00:06 <Chainfire> It'd be nice if there was something that compiled Java to GCC .o and used scope/refcounting instead of GC
Jun 16 10:00:08 <Chainfire> but I guess there isn't
Jun 16 10:01:08 <p_l> refcounting is just a rather degenerate case of GC. Advanced scope analysis is nice addition in GC world, though :)
Jun 16 10:01:46 <Chainfire> p_l perhaps it is, but at least I know when things are happening
Jun 16 10:02:06 <Chainfire> I'd settle for a GC that didn't pause threads at the absolute worst possible time
Jun 16 10:02:32 <p_l> Chainfire: ah, I forgot that Android at least didn't have a "without-interrupts" macro :/
Jun 16 10:02:42 <Chainfire> (which admittedly has been much less of a problem on Android since 4.1 or 4.2 or whatever, but was a massive problem before)
Jun 16 10:03:13 <p_l> Chainfire: yeah, Java for some reasons didn't include certain APIs for GC control, OTOH, I can see how they would be abused...
Jun 16 10:03:27 <Chainfire> and mixing GC'd Java-to-.o with C++-to-.o sounds like an accident waiting to happen
Jun 16 10:03:44 <Ribesg> asimas, seems to work http://ci.ribesg.fr/job/Encypokedia/11/
Jun 16 10:03:53 <p_l> In lisp I'd probably just wrap the critical path in WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS form or similar and be ensured that no GC would happen inside of it
Jun 16 10:04:15 <Ribesg> Well it doesn't when you click out of the ListView, I should look at making it take the full size even if empty or with few elements
Jun 16 10:04:22 <Ribesg> But it seems ok
Jun 16 10:04:58 <Chainfire> yeah that would be nice... in some high-memory performance-critical loops at some point I had to cache every single object so nothing would ever be created. Which isn't always as easy as it sounds due to how the framework works.
Jun 16 10:05:32 <Chainfire> Anyway, that problem has been solved, but it still makes me very wary of GC in general. I rather use something that may not be as theoretically optimal, but works completely predictably
Jun 16 10:06:11 <p_l> Chainfire: unfortunately I suspect it would be abused just like various games that would leave active, cpu-hungry services running despite not needing them after quitting...
Jun 16 10:07:09 <Chainfire> you mean disabling GC in general on Java/Android ?
Jun 16 10:08:15 <p_l> Chainfire: being able to disable it for a performance critical area
Jun 16 10:08:34 <danijoo> that would just result in everyone disabling it instead of fixing their mem
Jun 16 10:08:37 <p_l> yup
Jun 16 10:08:50 <p_l> which is I guess why Java doesn't have it
Jun 16 10:08:58 <Chainfire> perhaps you are right there
Jun 16 10:09:26 <Chainfire> the old problem of trusting devs to do the right thing, vs taking away options they may need in special cases
Jun 16 10:09:41 <Chainfire> if I had to do it all over again I would rewrite those parts of the code in C++
Jun 16 10:09:44 <p_l> it really doesn't help that people use the excuse of "it has GC" to totally remove memory management from education
Jun 16 10:10:25 <p_l> courses that give you explanation of essentially "GC is this magic fairy that protects you from segfaults and manages memory for you"
Jun 16 10:46:53 <ahraz> hey guys, i want to implement something on my phone that allows the phone to open different accounts depending on which password is entered
Jun 16 10:47:19 <ahraz> anyone got any idea where i can get started? just point me in the right direction :)
Jun 16 11:02:28 <chrisaardal> I want to rotate a textview with two fingers. Anyone of you have a nice RotationGestureDetector implementation laying around?
Jun 16 11:03:41 <chrisaardal> sounds like a backend task ahraz
Jun 16 11:05:22 <chrisaardal> unless you just want a clientside implementation of it. If so. You should just check the password. And do whatever logic if the password matches you'r criterea
Jun 16 11:10:15 <Corey84> does the  sdk tools NEED to  be installed  Before  studio as I'm getting a  sdk tools  dir  missing  error on studio wizard launch?
Jun 16 11:17:01 <ahraz> chrisaardal: i want it to work from the lock screen and use the new user accounts in 5.0
Jun 16 11:19:49 <chrisaardal> I haven't touched the api
Jun 16 11:19:57 <chrisaardal> so frankly I dont know :<
Jun 16 11:32:58 <Corey84> ahraz, so like a crypt does  with keyslots?
Jun 16 11:33:10 <Corey84> or ssh keys with pki  in play?
Jun 16 11:41:14 <scorpion01> hello everyone, is it possible to VoIP through local wifi.
Jun 16 11:44:12 <danijoo> sure
Jun 16 11:46:32 <Corey84> easy as flint in most cases
Jun 16 11:46:43 <Corey84> hangouts  does just that  even
Jun 16 11:47:06 <Corey84> drop the cell data  and make hangouts call  on wifi (VoIP ) over  pub wifi
Jun 16 11:47:15 <Corey84> security of such is  a diff story tho
Jun 16 11:50:24 <bolovanos> hi
Jun 16 11:50:28 <bolovanos> trying example "Adding Custom Action View to Action Bar in Android" from http://wptrafficanalyzer.in/blog/adding-custom-action-view-to-action-bar-in-android/
Jun 16 11:50:31 <bolovanos> my code is:
Jun 16 11:50:33 <bolovanos> MainActivity.java: http://pastebin.com/5t3GxBf9
Jun 16 11:50:35 <bolovanos> activity_main.xml: http://pastebin.com/eNWc1XgX
Jun 16 11:50:37 <bolovanos> menu_main.xml: http://pastebin.com/WK6hgPzT
Jun 16 11:50:39 <bolovanos> search_layout.xml: http://pastebin.com/6wB5rdQ9
Jun 16 11:50:41 <bolovanos> logcat: http://pastebin.com/1h8H9dmx
Jun 16 11:50:43 <bolovanos> I was wandering why java.lang.NullPointerException, and find out that menu.findItem(R.id.search) returns title of R.id.search. Any idea why?
Jun 16 11:52:02 <thepoosh> bolovanos: if you use gist instead you can add them all to a single paste
Jun 16 11:53:00 <surf2b1> bolovanos: try changing menu_main.xml to app:actionLayout instead of android:actionLayout
Jun 16 11:53:20 <thepoosh> bolovanos:         View v = menu.findItem(R.id.search).getActionView(); // v == null now!!!
Jun 16 11:54:37 <bolovanos> surf2b1, yes thx
Jun 16 11:54:42 <surf2b1> yw
Jun 16 11:54:42 <bolovanos> thepoosh, ok - next time
Jun 16 11:55:06 <thepoosh> np
Jun 16 11:56:17 <squ> thepoosh: figured svg crash, it was “badly” formed path data
Jun 16 11:57:16 <thepoosh> wat
Jun 16 11:57:22 <thepoosh> so why did it work for me?!
Jun 16 11:57:26 <squ> idk
Jun 16 11:57:29 <thepoosh> :S
Jun 16 11:58:20 <squ> after commenting/uncommenting/replacing path with other image it was obvious what causes the crash
Jun 16 11:58:32 <thepoosh> @_@
Jun 16 12:00:02 <squ> problem will be popular after user count increases :P
Jun 16 12:02:10 <squ> they should have tested and supported it before announcing the support
Jun 16 12:02:19 <squ> :)
Jun 16 12:02:34 <squ> android style
Jun 16 12:10:27 <Datasmurfen> My release apk is on 58,4mb . Is there an easy fix to shrink it down to less then 50mb? I have removed unused code, og res (pictures).
Jun 16 12:10:51 <aaearon> think proguard has a template that can be used to reduce the size
Jun 16 12:11:47 <danijoo> shrink images
Jun 16 12:11:52 <danijoo> if possible
Jun 16 12:13:39 <Datasmurfen> Proguard is it part of AD studio?
Jun 16 12:13:40 <adq> also activate minifyEnable with shrinkResources true
Jun 16 12:13:53 <adq> and as already said, use proguard too
Jun 16 12:14:11 <danijoo> google it
Jun 16 12:15:28 <rohit7roy> hi everyone, how to track the distance by uising google maps ?
Jun 16 12:16:20 <ktwo> if you got lat/long for 2 points, just use orthodromic distances
Jun 16 12:16:38 <Ribesg> p_l, I was taught how GC is the devil at my school instead
Jun 16 12:17:14 <Ribesg> Like it simplifies your life and allows you to care less about memory, while still being, you know, the devil
Jun 16 12:17:25 <Ribesg> Just don't trust it fully and suspect everything to be wrong
Jun 16 12:28:27 <ewanas> Hi all.
Jun 16 12:28:46 <ewanas> I have a question about ProgressBar on 5+ android devices
Jun 16 12:29:27 <ewanas> The situation is like this: On normal devices, the circular ProgressBar looks fine and works as expected, but the same code running on 5+ devices flickers on the ProgressBar views
Jun 16 12:30:18 <ewanas> It seems either like some race condition or too much activity on the UI thread, but really, the UI is very responsive, so I'm guessing it's a race condition. I just need to know if someone has experienced a similar issue on 5+ with ProgressBar or if there's a new thing to watch out for for 5+ on those
Jun 16 12:34:34 <paulo_> hello android devvers
Jun 16 12:38:44 <paulo_> my installs are slowing down it's so sad
Jun 16 12:42:42 <barq> Which app? paulo_
Jun 16 12:45:01 <Ankhwatcher> Hey folks
Jun 16 12:50:36 <bolovanos> surf2b1, wherre do you thing might be problem - in his example he extends Activity, doing so - no ActionBarActivity appears, but he has it on images http://wptrafficanalyzer.in/blog/adding-custom-action-view-to-action-bar-in-android/
Jun 16 12:50:37 <bolovanos> ?
Jun 16 12:57:55 * Zharf sighs at gradle
Jun 16 12:58:36 <surf2b1> bolovanos: not sure what you are asking
Jun 16 12:58:41 <Number5> Hello guys, does anyone know where I can use existing son data. I'm willing to add some code to parse the json. I especially want to test loading new data when my listview reached the end.
Jun 16 12:59:14 <Number5> Hello guys, does anyone know where I can use existing json data?
Jun 16 12:59:54 <Number5> I want to test infinite list.
Jun 16 13:00:04 <SpaghettiCat> Number5: http://openweathermap.org/api
Jun 16 13:00:51 <Number5> SpaghettiCat, thnx my friend :D
Jun 16 13:00:54 <bolovanos> surf2b1, instead of "public class MainActivity extends Activity {" what he uses in his example I used "public class MainActivity extends ActionBarActivity{", changing ActionBarActivity for Activity - as he has resultet on View without ActionBar
Jun 16 13:00:57 <SpaghettiCat> no problem)
Jun 16 13:02:16 <SpaghettiCat> Hello, does anyone know even a single open-source app whose code I can directly open in AS and it will build? All the source code I find doesn't use gradle and I can't get it to build.
Jun 16 13:03:54 <rohit7roy> ktwo: sorry for late reply. yeah i have coordinates for 2 places
Jun 16 13:04:00 <surf2b1> bolovanos: The example is old. He is using the native ActionBar that was introduced in Honeycomb. You are using the support ActionBar/Toolbar from appcompat. You can still get the same results but you will need to use the attributes used in the support Toolbar. This is why you needed to add the "app" namespace.
Jun 16 13:04:10 <surf2b1> Still not sure if that answers your question..
Jun 16 13:05:08 <bolovanos> surf2b1, yes little bit
Jun 16 13:05:18 <bolovanos> but
Jun 16 13:06:33 <alexfu> anyone know why this happens sometimes during instrumentation tests.. "Injecting to another application requires INJECT_EVENTS permission"
Jun 16 13:07:40 <surf2b1> bolovanos: If you are just trying to add a "SearchView" you should just use the one that comes with appcompat by adding app:actionViewClass="android.support.v7.widget.SearchView" to your item in your menu XML.
Jun 16 13:08:27 <bolovanos> surf2b1, you hit the nail...
Jun 16 13:08:46 <bolovanos> surf2b1, reason, why am I doing this is that "android.support.v7.widget.SearchView" used in my application has some issues, that I am unable overcam
Jun 16 13:09:24 <surf2b1> what is the problem you are facing with the support SearchView?
Jun 16 13:09:55 <bolovanos> surf2b1, I need this http://snag.gy/FdoyE.jpg, instead I got http://snag.gy/kvnDu.jpg
Jun 16 13:10:43 <bolovanos> surf2b1, I have problems displaying SearchView and button on smaller display (800*450)
Jun 16 13:11:14 <Ribesg> Every time I see you guys talking about adding another XML thing in one of your hundreds of XML things, I'm happier to use Anko
Jun 16 13:11:22 <bolovanos> surf2b1, I was trying to overcome it with minWidth, but it did not work
Jun 16 13:11:48 <surf2b1> bolovanos: probably because it is pushed to the overflow. It isn't recommended but you can add "app:showAsAction="always"" to your "btn" item and I think it won't be pushed to the overflow menu
Jun 16 13:12:20 <bolovanos> surf2b1, I have ended up testing different combination of app:showAsAction settings
Jun 16 13:12:43 <bolovanos> surf2b1, one of them was "app:showAsAction="always" for btn
Jun 16 13:13:00 <Dudi> Guys I allways use CoreData for DB jobs now my friend showed me Realm. Did you use it? It's realy so much better?
Jun 16 13:13:20 <bolovanos> surf2b1, result was that btn is probably hidden under Search widget - because it is not in overFlow...
Jun 16 13:14:39 <surf2b1> If the "btn" is a part of the SearchView then I guess you should create your custom layout. You can always take a look at how the SearchView layout works. https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_support/blob/master/v7/appcompat/src/android/support/v7/widget/SearchView.java
Jun 16 13:15:32 <bolovanos> surf2b1, first picture shows "app:showAsAction="always|collapseActionView" for search widget, "app:showAsAction="always" (it shows it even with ifroom)
Jun 16 13:17:37 <surf2b1> bolovanos: I'm confused. You said you need what the first image showed..
Jun 16 13:18:04 <Datasmurfen> What is the default folder on resources to save if you have pictures with same size? drawble?
Jun 16 13:18:21 <barq> How can I call a fragment method from the activity hosting it? I tried findbytag(...).method, but get null from the findbytag
Jun 16 13:18:27 <bolovanos> bolovanos, the moment i use "searchView.setIconifiedByDefault(false); in code or "collapseActionVie" (which I do not want - I need it to be ready the moment app starts) - as you can see on first picture, I see btn and back arrow on the left
Jun 16 13:18:36 <bolovanos> surf2b1, ^
Jun 16 13:19:14 <surf2b1> Datasmurfen: drawable-nodpi
Jun 16 13:19:43 <Datasmurfen> thx surf2b1
Jun 16 13:19:51 <bolovanos> surf2b1, second picture shows opposite settings - ""searchView.setIconifiedByDefault(true)" or "app:showAsAction="always" without "collapseActionVie"
Jun 16 13:21:00 <bolovanos> surf2b1, as you can see one example has smaller searchView widget - there is no magnifier icon - maebye therefore btn has space to be shown
Jun 16 13:22:08 <bolovanos> surf2b1, second example has Larger searchView widget, magnifier icon on the left and no arrow
Jun 16 13:23:22 <surf2b1> bolovanos: hmm.. I see. IDK to be honest. sorry bro. I would keep playing with it or maybe search StackOverflow or ask a question there.
Jun 16 13:23:47 <surf2b1> barq: how are you adding the fragments? Are you using a pageradapter/viewpager?
Jun 16 13:24:06 <bolovanos> surf2b1, yeah i will write some question there, because i havent found answer for that anywhere :/,
Jun 16 13:24:15 <bolovanos> surf2b1, anyway - thank you!
Jun 16 13:24:19 <surf2b1> yw
Jun 16 13:24:34 <barq> I got it. Was using the wrong tag
Jun 16 13:28:58 <Datasmurfen> surf2b1 Do I need ot change the sourcecode, or can I just call @drable image?   I have now put them in a folder called drawable-nodpi
Jun 16 13:29:42 <surf2b1> Datasmurfen: You can still use @drawable/your_drawable_name or R.drawable.your_drawable_name
Jun 16 13:51:16 <JFlash> hi
Jun 16 13:51:31 <JFlash> please help me I have a very difficult question
Jun 16 13:51:45 <JFlash> I need to create  a profile page with infinite scroll
Jun 16 13:51:49 <JFlash> like this: http://1001psd.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/profile-app-psd-440x3301.jpg
Jun 16 13:52:43 <JFlash> but client doesnt want scroll functionality only on the bottom half of the page. He demands that all the page contents need to scroll
Jun 16 13:53:20 <JFlash> how is this possible? can I make the top half part of the listview/recyclerview somehow?
Jun 16 13:54:00 <Ribesg> Disclaimer: I know nothing
Jun 16 13:54:12 <Ribesg> But can't you wrap all of that in some scrollable view ?
Jun 16 13:54:32 <JFlash> no because then it will not be infinite scroll
Jun 16 13:55:00 <JFlash> the thing is that listview, recyclerview has built in funcionality for infinite scroll
Jun 16 13:55:23 <Ribesg> I understand
Jun 16 13:55:39 <Ribesg> I suppose you can't have that first element as a different sized item of your list?
Jun 16 13:55:47 <surf2b1> JFlash: so just make the top of the view a RelativeLayout, FrameLayout, LinearLayout (whatever), and your bottom half a RecyclerView/ListView
Jun 16 13:55:50 <JFlash> as far as I know, you need the container to re-use the elements in order to achieve infinity. I don't think scrollable view supports that
Jun 16 13:55:50 <Ribesg> I really don't know, I'm just starting Android dev
Jun 16 13:56:38 <JFlash> surf2b1, but then how to transfer the scroll event from the screen to the listview
Jun 16 13:56:47 <tagrudev> is there a way I can set a background color to FloatingActionButton
Jun 16 13:56:57 <tagrudev> different than primary color
Jun 16 13:56:58 <surf2b1> JFlash: Ah, I see
Jun 16 13:57:05 <Ribesg> JFlash, what if you force the bottom part height to the screen height somehow
Jun 16 13:57:46 <JFlash> Ribesg, the problem would be to transfer the scroll event from the page to the list, I supose
Jun 16 13:57:53 <surf2b1> JFlash: There are quite a bit of libraries out there with sticky headers.
Jun 16 13:58:18 <JFlash> Ribesg, because the first scroll will be on the page, then only the list scrolls, but the event transfering should not be seamless
Jun 16 13:58:32 <Ribesg> Hmm yeah
Jun 16 13:59:00 <JFlash> surf2b1, but sticky headers is about keeping the hearder visible the whole time
Jun 16 13:59:10 <JFlash> surf2b1, that's the opposite of what I need to do
Jun 16 13:59:29 <JFlash> surf2b1,  as the use scrolls down, the top half will not longer be visible
Jun 16 14:00:22 <surf2b1> JFlash: add a header view?
Jun 16 14:00:50 <JFlash> me/ googles header view
Jun 16 14:03:37 <JFlash> surf2b1, wow , addHeaderView seems to be just what I need. I'm double checking!!
Jun 16 14:08:55 <JFlash_> sorry,  lost connection
Jun 16 14:09:00 <JFlash_> did I miss anything?
Jun 16 14:10:34 <Ribesg> JFlash_, you didn't
Jun 16 14:10:55 <Ribesg> Your old nick isn't even disconnected yet
Jun 16 14:12:37 <JFlash_> i forgot the command to kick the old nickname
Jun 16 14:12:48 <JFlash_> surf2b1,  check this baby out:  https://github.com/blipinsk/RecyclerViewHeader
Jun 16 14:13:16 <JFlash_> omg, don't you just love when just have to cut and paste code and collect the money?
Jun 16 14:16:34 <SpaghettiCat> JFlash_: the command is `/msg nickserv GHOST`
Jun 16 14:17:24 <SpaghettiCat> Does anyone know even a single open-source app whose code I can directly open in AS and it will build? All the source code I find doesn't use gradle and I can't get it to build.
Jun 16 14:19:49 <canvs2321-> SpaghettiCat, do the examples in the SDK not work?
Jun 16 14:20:20 <JFlash_> SpaghettiCat, just re-order yr search in github by date so you can access the most recent projects. Most will use gradle
Jun 16 14:20:26 <SpaghettiCat> canvs2321-: you mean the stuff in File -> Import Samples?
Jun 16 14:20:45 <Ribesg> AS?
Jun 16 14:20:46 <SpaghettiCat> JFlash_: thanks I'll try that
Jun 16 14:20:51 <Ribesg> Oh, Android Studio
Jun 16 14:20:56 <Ribesg> I use IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate
Jun 16 14:21:03 <JFlash_> SpaghettiCat, have tyou tried this one? https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwispNaTtJTGAhUImYAKHWaFAZA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FUweTrottmann%2FSeriesGuide&ei=ZTCAVezdEYiyggTmioaACQ&usg=AFQjCNFbNJ2wYv1O_ihNpfHsGlovQgzyHA&sig2=NFyeTSWducCQSCDWasgszA&bvm=bv.96041959,d.eXY
Jun 16 14:21:14 <Ribesg> I'm also using Kotlin and Anko
Jun 16 14:21:19 <Ribesg> But here is my project https://github.com/Ribesg/Encypokedia
Jun 16 14:21:40 <Ribesg> IDEA is able to compile it from the gradle thing, and AS being basically IDEA...
Jun 16 14:21:52 <SpaghettiCat> JFlash_: I haven't tried it, but if it opens up in AS I'll try it, thanks
Jun 16 14:21:58 <JFlash_> SpaghettiCat, I heard it's one of the major open source projects out there. Also google has a few  of them, try a search for hte google IO app
Jun 16 14:23:18 <SpaghettiCat> Thakns for the suggestions; i'll try them
Jun 16 14:23:50 <chrisaardal> How would you guys implement a red notification indicator on the actionbar.
Jun 16 14:24:02 <chrisaardal> It should sort of overlap the icon i already have there
Jun 16 14:24:25 <chrisaardal> If u nam'sayin
Jun 16 14:24:32 <JFlash_> Ribesg, never heard of Kotlin before!
Jun 16 14:25:20 <JFlash_> Ribesg, why use it over things such as Scala or Groovy?
Jun 16 14:25:53 <Ribesg> JFlash_, 1) I just don't know Scala and Groovy 2) I like Jetbrains 3) The first time I saw Scala code I was like "eww", but it was years ago
Jun 16 14:26:09 <Ribesg> I don't know, I like Kotlin
Jun 16 14:26:15 <Ribesg> The LWJGL is written in Kotlin
Jun 16 14:26:28 <Ribesg> And Jetbrains plan to move all of there stuff to Kotlin
Jun 16 14:26:45 <Ribesg> And Anko is the Android cool thing for Kotlin
Jun 16 14:28:47 <jaana_> JFlash_: read this  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ReS3ep-hjxWA8kZi0YqDbEhCqTt29hG8P44aA9W0DM8/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1
Jun 16 14:29:09 <jaana_> Scala not really an option because of its runtime size and method count. Groovy, too slow and dynamically typed
Jun 16 14:29:30 <JFlash> jaana_, thank you for educating me!
Jun 16 14:29:58 <JFlash> Kotlin sounds like a lot of fun!
Jun 16 14:30:08 <Ribesg> Yeah you can do awful things with it
Jun 16 14:30:21 <Ribesg> And sometime things are missing, like a good try-with-resources
Jun 16 14:30:28 <Ribesg> But at this point you can just build one yourself
Jun 16 14:30:28 <JFlash> so why google is not pedaling it ?
Jun 16 14:30:30 <Ribesg> Which is cool
Jun 16 14:30:59 <SpaghettiCat> Ribesg: When I edit the build config of your PookieApp it's telling me default activity not found, so I can't run it
Jun 16 14:31:07 <jaana_> pedaling it? like a bike?
Jun 16 14:31:13 <Ribesg> Here I created a "try-with-ressources" in Kotlin https://github.com/Ribesg/Pure/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/fr/ribesg/minecraft/pure/Extensions.kt#L15
Jun 16 14:31:14 <JFlash> I thought google was all about the hippie cool stuff
Jun 16 14:31:18 <Ribesg> SpaghettiCat, POOKIEAPP
Jun 16 14:31:38 <JFlash> sorry, not a native speaker
Jun 16 14:32:05 <Ribesg> SpaghettiCat, I don't know it just works for me, are you sure you're importing the root gradle thing
Jun 16 14:32:08 <Ribesg> (I hate Gradle)
Jun 16 14:32:27 <Ribesg> I don't know if Android Studio supports Kotlin, but I'm pretty sure you need the Kotlin plugin for your IDE not to explode
Jun 16 14:32:52 <SpaghettiCat> The IDE said something about finding some .kt Kotlin files
Jun 16 14:34:18 <SpaghettiCat> Ribesg: yeah I try to make it start MainActivity.kt at start-up but I can't select it
Jun 16 14:34:23 <JFlash> jaana_, I mean like promoting it
Jun 16 14:34:32 <SpaghettiCat> Guess I'll never know what is Jinx's ethnicity :(
Jun 16 14:35:23 <Ribesg> SpaghettiCat, http://ci.ribesg.fr/job/Encypokedia/
Jun 16 14:38:23 <jaana_> Ribesg: Android Studio supports Kotlin, just install the plug-in
Jun 16 14:38:35 <jaana_> JFlash: They are focused on Java
Jun 16 14:38:43 <jaana_> (you meant “peddling”)
Jun 16 14:41:35 <pfn> runtime size of scala isn't very big
Jun 16 14:42:21 <pfn> i.e. method count
Jun 16 14:53:43 <pfn> you instantly get hit with 4000 method refs, but then again, you get a similar overhead from using something like guava anyway
Jun 16 14:55:03 <jaana_> That’s a strange argument :)
Jun 16 14:55:24 <pfn> well, I personally find java unusable without something like guava
Jun 16 14:56:17 <pfn> so as a rule, all java android projects I work on have guava
Jun 16 14:57:58 <jaana_> I haven’t used guava in Android in a few years I just pick and choose parts of it, it’s just too big and bulky
Jun 16 14:58:23 <jaana_> But if you use Guava, all the more reason to keep a close eye on your method count since Guava is taking a big chunk of it
Jun 16 14:58:45 * pfn shrugs
Jun 16 14:58:47 <pfn> proguard takes care of it
Jun 16 14:59:45 <Ribesg> I don't even care about all those things and I'm not using proguard
Jun 16 14:59:54 <Ribesg> But I guess I'll wait for my app to be advanced and slow enough?
Jun 16 14:59:56 <Ribesg> xD
Jun 16 15:02:15 <pfn> not slow
Jun 16 15:02:20 <pfn> too big for dex limit
Jun 16 15:02:35 <pfn> in any case, google already acknowledged dex limit to be dumb and added multidex as an option
Jun 16 15:09:45 <gotnut> hello all, is there any way too loop a script from init.d ?
Jun 16 15:10:26 <pfn> wrong channel
Jun 16 15:10:28 <surf2b1> gotnut: #android-root is a better place to ask
Jun 16 15:10:41 <gotnut> okie sorry :)
Jun 16 15:24:40 <astroduck> Hi, I am making an app which requires drawing lines between many views, is there an efficient way of doing this besides adding new view for each line?
Jun 16 15:29:01 <canvs2321-> can map out your views bounds, and have a canvas full screen underneath them and draw a path on the canvas
Jun 16 15:29:11 <canvs2321-> what kind of lines and what type of layout?
Jun 16 15:34:42 <theblang> Has anyone done an enterprise app that was used by several different entities, all requiring small tweaks?
Jun 16 15:36:36 <theblang> Or say you want to do a Kindle version and you make use of Google services, do you do a separate branch or conditionals?
Jun 16 15:38:10 <danijoo> theblang, flavors
Jun 16 15:39:09 <theblang> danijoo: Yeah, flavors plus conditionals.  Wondering if a separate branch might not be better if the tweaks are substantial enough
Jun 16 15:39:50 <danijoo> means you have to merge all the time..
Jun 16 15:41:29 <theblang> danijoo: yeah. on the other hand, I'd litter my codebase with conditionals.  Just not sure which I want to do
Jun 16 15:42:52 <danijoo> no conditionals if you do it right
Jun 16 15:48:46 <pfn> having to merge all the time sucks
Jun 16 15:48:52 <pfn> build flavors is the best approach
Jun 16 15:49:58 <theblang> danijoo, pfn Yeah, I want to try to use build flavors if possible.  But I do think I'd prefer a branch over conditionals if the changes were substantial enough.  Going to looking into the change requirements and see.
Jun 16 15:50:40 <pfn> branches suck badly, unless you have it working in an automated fashion
Jun 16 15:51:24 <danijoo> what kind of conditionnals?
Jun 16 15:51:37 <theblang> danijoo: Turning off a particular feature for example
Jun 16 15:51:39 <danijoo> if(PaymentManager.isPaymentAvailable()) ?
Jun 16 15:51:54 <paulo_> Your app is not user friendly - someone rated my app with this, but in my country' language
Jun 16 15:51:55 <danijoo> way better than branches ^^
Jun 16 15:52:01 <theblang> danijoo: Maybe changing the nav drawer
Jun 16 15:52:11 <paulo_> I wanted to reply: "well your face is not user friendly either"
Jun 16 15:52:14 <theblang> danijoo: since features are turned off int he app
Jun 16 15:52:28 <theblang> paulo_: Lol, where you from?
Jun 16 15:52:46 <paulo_> philippines
Jun 16 15:53:18 <danijoo> how old are you?  14? ^^
Jun 16 15:53:46 <theblang> Your mom is user friendly, ohhhhhh, burnnnnn
Jun 16 15:53:54 <paulo_> HAHA
Jun 16 15:54:36 <danijoo> paulo_, always comes here talking about his app he doesnt want to share ^^
Jun 16 15:55:44 <alexfu> using espresso, i've got multiple matching views, is there a way to pick the first one?
Jun 16 15:55:57 <theblang> paulo_: Lol, how did Google Translate do?  "Ang iyong ina ay gumagamit friendly"
Jun 16 15:56:34 <paulo_> it translated the word "user", when it shouldn't have
Jun 16 15:56:44 <paulo_> it loses context if you translate that word
Jun 16 15:56:52 <theblang> paulo_: Ahh, needed a hyphen probably
Jun 16 15:57:06 <danijoo> srsly dont translate with google translate..
Jun 16 15:57:17 <theblang> danijoo: I know, I'm just having fun :P
Jun 16 15:57:23 <theblang> danijoo: It is miles ahead of Bing translate though
Jun 16 15:57:58 <theblang> danijoo: Freaking facebook uses Bing translate, usually have no clue what my international friends are talking about.  Put it in Google translate and I get the jist of it.
Jun 16 15:59:32 <paulo_> how big is gradle-2.2.1.zip?
Jun 16 15:59:46 <paulo_> Android Studio is taking forever to download that
Jun 16 16:00:28 <paulo_> gradle-2.2.1-all.zip
Jun 16 16:00:32 <canvs2321-> https://services.gradle.org/distributions
Jun 16 16:00:36 <danijoo> 150 mb or so
Jun 16 16:00:48 <paulo_> ok lol. i'll go to sleep for now
Jun 16 16:08:29 <paulo_> is there a way to see how much longer the download will take?
Jun 16 16:09:48 <squirrel> android calendar is not open source, is it? can i get me the latest source code or sth.
Jun 16 16:11:36 <dragorn> there's calendar stuff in AOSP.  It's not quite the same as the google calendar however.
Jun 16 16:12:36 <Napalm> paulo_: you only need -bin
Jun 16 16:12:44 <Napalm> unless you want the Gradle source code
Jun 16 16:16:20 <rrr> AS needs gradle source code for documentation
Jun 16 16:18:15 <danijoo> 200 mb. shoudnt that be 2 minutes for everyone these days?
Jun 16 16:19:06 <rrr> danijoo: i also experienced long time several days back
Jun 16 16:22:16 <Napalm> rrr: good point. I'm using gradle-2.4 now anyway.
Jun 16 16:22:57 <jaana> pfn: Do you have a source for “google already acknowledged dex limit to be dumb “? I’ skeptical. Personally, I find the dex limit keeps me honest and forces me to be smart about my code and its size
Jun 16 16:24:43 <danijoo> jaana, multidex being available is the statement
Jun 16 16:24:55 <Napalm> it always makes me think of the developer who wrote the dex format spec.... "Hmm, 16bit should be enough to store a method index, no app will never need more that that."
Jun 16 16:24:58 <jaana> I see it more as a workaround
Jun 16 16:25:43 <danijoo> "640 kB ought to be enough for anybody"
Jun 16 16:25:47 <Napalm> ;)
Jun 16 16:26:05 <lasserix> What's the way to chart which objects are alive at what time and how much memory they allocate?
Jun 16 16:26:06 <Napalm> jaana: true.. but its also true that it should have supported multiple dex files from day one.
Jun 16 16:26:14 <rrr> Napalm: what feature 2.4 brings?
Jun 16 16:26:20 <lasserix> is this MAT with hprof, and to determine what's alive just follow the edges of the DAC?
Jun 16 16:26:31 <danijoo> rrr faster
Jun 16 16:26:42 <Napalm> rrr: https://plus.google.com/+SimonLightfoot/posts/TT1yuzkg8vG
Jun 16 16:28:45 <rrr> Napalm: tried buck?
Jun 16 16:29:02 <Napalm> not yet.. its on my list ;)
Jun 16 16:29:21 <rrr> only on linux/mac
Jun 16 16:29:46 <jaana> Don’t really see the point in buck… It doesn’t support maven repos, it’s not extensible and barely documented at all
Jun 16 16:30:45 <danijoo> especially the repo thing is a big minus
Jun 16 16:31:02 <pfn> jaana, multidex
Jun 16 16:31:47 <rrr> danijoo: yes it took me time to download that big mess
Jun 16 16:32:19 <rrr> jaana: but it seems a lot of doc here http://buckbuild.com/setup/install.html
Jun 16 16:32:59 <pfn> buck is neat in that it does the exopod or whatever bullshit
Jun 16 16:34:03 <pfn> it's nice not having to deploy a multi-tens/hundreds megabyte file to device on every iteration
Jun 16 16:34:14 <pfn> ugh, sonatype allows overwriting published versions? yuck
Jun 16 16:41:06 <jaana> pfn: Are you sure about that? IIRC, even snapshots never get overwritten
Jun 16 16:42:22 <pfn> dunno, sonatype just let me re-publish something I had previously published as 1.2
Jun 16 16:42:37 <jaana> Would be very disturbing if it’s true
Jun 16 16:42:43 <pfn> I'll see what the repo says in a couple hours once it goes live
Jun 16 16:42:48 <pfn> it let me promote it just fine from the staging repo
Jun 16 16:43:07 <Mavrik> it shouldn't
Jun 16 16:43:14 <jaana> Does it end up in the repo though? Link to search.maven.org?
Jun 16 16:43:23 <Mavrik> unless you deliberately reconfigured your sonatype repo to allow that
Jun 16 16:43:31 <Mavrik> (but it doesn't allow redeployment by default)
Jun 16 16:43:58 <pfn> https://repo1.maven.org/maven2/com/hanhuy/android/scala-conversions_2.10/1.2/
Jun 16 16:43:59 <pfn> hmm
Jun 16 16:44:02 <lasserix> anyone know of the top of your head is there a mac program for playing youtube videos (like i can put in top corner instead of having to use entire tab, don't care about seeing the video btw)
Jun 16 16:44:21 <jaana> On an unrelated note, is it normal that if I right click on a test class and select “Run FooTest”, AS runs my entire test suite?
Jun 16 16:44:35 <lasserix> the reason i am asking ahem is that i found listening to music conducive to programming/developing for android ;p
Jun 16 16:44:51 <pfn> google play music
Jun 16 16:44:54 <jaana> pfn: Alright, can you deploy again? Let’s see if the timestamps update
Jun 16 16:44:54 <pfn> di.fm
Jun 16 16:44:56 <pfn> last.fm, etc.
Jun 16 16:45:09 <lasserix> pfn: thanks ill check it
Jun 16 16:45:30 <pfn> jaana, I published it once yesterday already
Jun 16 16:47:08 <Napalm> who else keeps clicking the developer console button by mistake on the new dev site
Jun 16 16:47:42 <pfn> http://ezscreens.appspot.com/view/4c01/nexus-1.2
Jun 16 16:47:45 <pfn> http://ezscreens.appspot.com/view/c26e/nexus-1.2
Jun 16 16:47:56 <pfn> email from promoting my artifacts
Jun 16 16:48:24 <pfn> jaana, notice the hashes changing
Jun 16 16:53:01 <FlipBill> First time trying to use some Scala in my project with AS. Installed plugin, added code, Error: cannot find symbol class Purch
Jun 16 16:53:19 <FlipBill> https://gist.github.com/116d0a4fe5bc546bd47d.git
Jun 16 16:53:42 <FlipBill> Something I need to tell the IDE.  Dumb oversight?  Not sure what to check here.
Jun 16 16:53:58 <johnCool> Hi there, can someone confirm me that it's not possible to "send fake GPS location" to a real device. I've read so somewhere but I couldn't find it anymore.
Jun 16 16:55:52 <johnCool> And I know that a workaround is to use a mock location provider. But is it the only way to do so?
Jun 16 16:57:25 <quinnjn> johnCool, I think there are app's out there to fake GPS data. Example: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fakegps.mock&hl=en
Jun 16 16:58:30 <lasserix> I have a couple of activities where i grab a main content viewgroup, which will hold currentView (view) and will switch between three inflations based on the current one I need at the type, now my idiom is something like layoutViewState(enum/int forWhich) { clearCurrentViewSafely(); switch(forWich) case layout1 2 3} and then layout is like inflation of view, attached it to the right place in the content view, do any t
Jun 16 16:58:30 <lasserix> oolbar changes. Anyone got an example of a good impelementation of something like this?
Jun 16 16:58:44 <lasserix> *note i do not use fragments
Jun 16 16:59:18 <johnCool> quinnjn, thanks, I'll give it a look !
Jun 16 17:00:41 <Candyman> in which cases startActivityForResult fire an activity and when that activity finishes it will not return to the activity that fired the startActivityForResult ? ;]
Jun 16 17:00:50 <lasserix> Also does someone have really good example code of a really good async task loader (without using that actually) implementation: that is, I need to do some BG work, with a callback to main thread, and ability to cancel callback to UI and interrupt BG work execution
Jun 16 17:02:23 <lasserix> Err basically, what I want to know is if anyone has seen a async task loader built from scratch with hooks to the ui, bg interrupt and ui callback cancel abilities"\
Jun 16 17:02:47 <Agent_Smith1> mvc 5 framework in .net uses async
Jun 16 17:03:04 <lasserix> would be easier if it were in android
Jun 16 17:03:11 <lasserix> like i imagine some people have done this already
Jun 16 17:03:20 <lasserix> just want to see some repos of what people have done
Jun 16 17:03:58 <lasserix> since ill think ill write one from scratch, since i have like 4 different implementations (trials) in my current, they all work but now that I'm near the end i want to abstract and generalize and build a decent one, so testing will become easier
Jun 16 17:04:56 <lasserix> ahh fuck rxJava is what i need to do know, really, wish I had the time
Jun 16 17:05:31 <barq> Candyman: It depends on the flags you are using to start the activity.
Jun 16 17:07:28 <jaana> lasserix: Commas matter! Did you mean “Fuck RxJava” or “Fuck, RxJava is what I need”?
Jun 16 17:07:40 <lasserix> argh i need to smoke a little something to get my gears looking at this question in the right light
Jun 16 17:07:48 <lasserix> jaana: the latter
Jun 16 17:07:58 <lasserix> rxjava is obv the way to handle async stuff in android these days
Jun 16 17:08:04 <lasserix> i just need something i can do in a day or two
Jun 16 17:08:07 <lasserix> not in a week or two
Jun 16 17:09:33 <Candyman> barq: can you elaborate ? ;]
Jun 16 17:09:57 <lasserix> ie: https://android-arsenal.com/details/1/1985
Jun 16 17:09:59 <lasserix> err
Jun 16 17:10:03 <lasserix> http://stablekernel.com/blog/replace-asynctask-asynctaskloader-rx-observable-rxjava-android-patterns/
Jun 16 17:10:16 <barq> Candyman: I don't quite understand your question. Can you be more precise, please?
Jun 16 17:10:26 <quinnjn> lasserix, grokking rxjava is a quick read to get the basics of it.
Jun 16 17:11:05 <asimas> Can anyone explain why would a ViewPager instantiate a new fragment every time ? I have a single fragment but while scrolling it's instantiated it can be instantiated as many times as wanted. Am I misusing the pager?
Jun 16 17:12:38 <lasserix> quinnjn: problem is i have maybe 2 - 3 weeks to finish this project, and as much as i'd like to fundmenetally change the architecture to integrate rxjava, i don't think i can sell my bosses and their clients on the idea when it works well enough
Jun 16 17:12:58 <lasserix> oh and those 2 -3 weeks are spent on setting up testing, and all their bs analytics and stuff
Jun 16 17:13:07 <Candyman> i have some activity A that inherits from activity B and in that activity A i fire an activity C with a function in B and when C finishes it returns to A
Jun 16 17:13:17 <Candyman> i want it to return to B
Jun 16 17:13:20 <lasserix> asimas: which adapter specifically are you using?
Jun 16 17:13:27 <Candyman> the superclass of A
Jun 16 17:13:30 <quinnjn> lasserix, there are a lot of copy+paste examples. Took me like 4 hours to get going with it tbh.
Jun 16 17:13:31 <asimas> lasserix, FragmentStatePagerAdapter
Jun 16 17:13:50 <lasserix> asimas: because you are using State pager, that's the whole point--you want to be able to instantiate an endless amount of them
Jun 16 17:14:04 <lasserix> so they are destroyed and recreated with their state reinstated (by you)
Jun 16 17:14:26 <lasserix> there is fragmentpageradapter which keeps them in memory, but is not good for an endless amount since they are kept in memory
Jun 16 17:15:07 <asimas> lasserix, I'd just like every position to have its own fragment and its own state. Which adapter should I go for?
Jun 16 17:15:08 <lasserix> quinnjn: its just that I don't know that I would be comfortable with it in the sense I would, even if i got it all working, be confident enought to say yeah its working well enough
Jun 16 17:15:35 <lasserix> quinnjn: it takes me a while for me to be confident about new code i learn because i'm an exceptionally crawling learner ;p
Jun 16 17:16:22 <barq> Candyman: The inheritance does not matter. If you don't start B then it will never appear.
Jun 16 17:16:40 <lasserix> if it were personal project fine, but because the livelihood of my cat and i depend on it, i'm not so confident ;p
Jun 16 17:18:03 <lasserix> ahh i could do it with a handler thread
Jun 16 17:21:39 <lasserix> asimas: how many total pages are you going to need?
Jun 16 17:21:52 <lasserix> is it a smaller, static number, or is a large indetermine number?
Jun 16 17:22:02 <Sculptor> is it a bird. is it a plane
Jun 16 17:22:08 <lasserix> quinnjn: actually i wanted to build a framework around rxjava based on services
Jun 16 17:22:10 <asimas> lasserix, not a static but I'm guessing 10-20
Jun 16 17:22:25 <lasserix> asimas: are you having problems right now?
Jun 16 17:22:34 <lasserix> or are you just bothered by the constant recreation?
Jun 16 17:22:55 <asimas> lasserix, constant re-inflation seems like a waste.
Jun 16 17:22:57 <lasserix> asimas: make sure you are reinstating the state correctly
Jun 16 17:23:11 <lasserix> asimas: unless you are seeing actual problems thats how it works
Jun 16 17:23:13 <lasserix> here
Jun 16 17:23:18 <lasserix> just try using the other adapter
Jun 16 17:23:22 <lasserix> see if that makes you happier?
Jun 16 17:23:28 <lasserix> if you really want to not do that
Jun 16 17:23:30 <lasserix> which is what i did actually
Jun 16 17:23:36 <lasserix> turn your fragments into custom view groups
Jun 16 17:23:53 <lasserix> and use Jake Wharton's salvage, which basically integrates convertview principle into pageradapter
Jun 16 17:24:17 <asimas> lasserix, that sounds promising
Jun 16 17:24:29 <lasserix> (since you can't convertview and fragment, though actually someone could create a fragment recycler i bet)
Jun 16 17:24:48 <lasserix> asimas: you just have to be okay with dumping the fragments and turning them into customview groups
Jun 16 17:25:10 <lasserix> make sure you have a return to default state you call before getView stuff, since it is going to be recycled
Jun 16 17:25:28 <lasserix> https://github.com/JakeWharton/salvage
Jun 16 17:25:35 <asimas> lasserix, I'm thinking of just creating 3 fragments in getView and returning them. Then their state would be recreated by the adapter itself wouldn't it?
Jun 16 17:25:37 <lasserix> https://github.com/JakeWharton/salvage/tree/master/salvage-sample/src/main/java/com/example/salvage
Jun 16 17:25:48 <lasserix> there is no getview
Jun 16 17:25:54 <lasserix> and you can't return fragments there
Jun 16 17:25:57 <asimas> lasserix, I meant getItem
Jun 16 17:26:08 <asimas> lasserix, inside FragmentStatePagerAdapter
Jun 16 17:26:19 <lasserix> asimas: i dont know, i ditched fragments because of their foobared lifecycle
Jun 16 17:26:29 <lasserix> im sure you could figure out a way to pool them
Jun 16 17:26:50 <lasserix> just make sure you do some extensive testing to catch all the weird edge cases i could inadvertantly popping up
Jun 16 17:27:02 <lasserix> and you might consider githubing the project afterword, since your question is quite common
Jun 16 17:27:09 <lasserix> BUT
Jun 16 17:27:12 <asimas> lasserix, I'm afraid of FragmentStatePagerAdapter destroying my pooled fragments though
Jun 16 17:27:15 <lasserix> make sure this is not a premature optimization
Jun 16 17:27:29 <lasserix> asimas: just take a look at the source
Jun 16 17:27:40 <lasserix> if worse comes to worse subclass the class and prevent it from doing so
Jun 16 17:28:06 <asimas> lasserix, right. Ugh. A long night ahead of me.
Jun 16 17:33:32 <lasserix> asimas could be worse
Jun 16 17:33:49 <lasserix> what's the parable about the buddhist intern and the monk's cat?
Jun 16 17:34:06 <lasserix> the intern's duty was to everyday meticilousily sweep the sand garden
Jun 16 17:34:25 <chihau> JakeWharton, I am watching your "A Few Ok Libraries" presentation
Jun 16 17:34:36 <lasserix> and everyday after hours of sweating to the intern's despair a cat living in the monsatory would come ambling along, totally ruining his day's work
Jun 16 17:35:02 <lasserix> so the intern goes to the monk in superlative consternation, and says, why why do I do this everyday with that damn cat around?
Jun 16 17:35:15 <lasserix> and the monk just laughs at him
Jun 16 17:35:23 <chihau> JakeWharton, What's the name of tool used to create your slides?
Jun 16 17:35:27 <JakeWharton> Keynote
Jun 16 17:36:12 <asimas> lasserix, and?
Jun 16 17:39:48 <lasserix> asimas: oh the moral of the story is something there is more to what you are doing, even if its useless, ie: you might spend all night and end up with something that you can't even use, but you'll probably learn a lot so ughing is really missing the point
Jun 16 17:40:01 <lasserix> should be like "cool damn I can come up with something and release it for other people!"
Jun 16 17:40:37 <asimas> lasserix, oh. I thought there's more to the story xD
Jun 16 17:45:24 <Nizumzen> can anyone recommend a good book on Android dev for already experienced programmers using Android Studio?
Jun 16 17:45:36 <Nizumzen> preferably as new as possible
Jun 16 17:47:01 <TacticalJoke> Nizumzen:  Why a book?  Personally, I'm not convinced that Android books are a good idea, because the platform changes so quickly.
Jun 16 17:47:03 <canvs2321-> Nizumzen, best thing is to come up with an app idea, and utilize d.android.com/google.com/and stackoverflow
Jun 16 17:47:44 <TacticalJoke> Books are great for stuff that changes slowly (e.g., books about refactoring).
Jun 16 17:47:51 <TacticalJoke> Although even those can find themselves outdated now and then.
Jun 16 17:48:23 <lasserix> asimas: argh now it is going to bother me, yeah it was told by a guy named alan watts who is good to put on if you search on youtube and listen to if you like philosophy of zen type stuff. he's pretty funny, there's a punchline (its a semi joke) now its going to f. me up until i can remember ti
Jun 16 17:48:29 <Nizumzen> TacticalJoke: understood - most Android books are pretty out of date but I do like having a reference I can read whenever - I've never been a big fan of reading long text on a computer monitor for some reason
Jun 16 17:48:35 <barq> I am attempting to migrate from Eclipse to Android Studio. I have a git repository that I need to migrate. I am following the steps for importing an Eclipse project from git to Android Studio from here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24726041/import-an-eclipse-android-project-with-version-control-system-into-android-studi The import wizard now asks me: "To help import the project, please point to an Eclipse workspace directory. My Eclipse worksp
Jun 16 17:48:52 <lasserix> barq
Jun 16 17:49:08 <lasserix> you can also export the library in eclipse for intellij
Jun 16 17:49:11 <s73v3r> TacticalJoke: Some people learn better if they can spread the book in front of them. For me, learning from a screen isn’t the same
Jun 16 17:49:14 <lasserix> and then import into as
Jun 16 17:49:30 <lasserix> but these days newer versions of as will automatically be able to import a eclipse workspace
Jun 16 17:49:30 <Nizumzen> s73v3r: agree
Jun 16 17:49:36 <lasserix> just point it to the workspace
Jun 16 17:49:39 <Nizumzen> s73v3r: that is certainly me
Jun 16 17:49:41 <barq> Whatever will give me the best result.
Jun 16 17:49:51 <lasserix> they both come out equally
Jun 16 17:49:53 <lasserix> make sure you use
Jun 16 17:49:55 <TacticalJoke> barq:  Just create a new Android Studio project and manually "import" everything.
Jun 16 17:50:08 <TacticalJoke> The cleanest way, and you learn about how the new system works.
Jun 16 17:50:37 <lasserix> barq close all your existing AS windows
Jun 16 17:50:48 <lasserix> no no only do that if you have a lot of time to kill
Jun 16 17:50:52 <lasserix> just import it and starting learning AS
Jun 16 17:50:55 <lasserix> anyways
Jun 16 17:51:07 <barq> Where do I create the new project? In the git repository or an empty directory and add git later?
Jun 16 17:51:28 <lasserix> umm
Jun 16 17:51:32 <lasserix> as has auto git
Jun 16 17:51:37 <lasserix> but i hate using anything but cmd line git
Jun 16 17:51:40 <TacticalJoke> I don't think you should be coupling Git and Android Studio like this.
Jun 16 17:51:45 <TacticalJoke> Just File > New > New Project.
Jun 16 17:51:51 <lasserix> barq so
Jun 16 17:51:54 <s73v3r> barq: empty directory. add git later
Jun 16 17:51:55 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: shutup a second
Jun 16 17:52:09 <lasserix> barq: clone the directory somewhere on your desktop
Jun 16 17:52:13 <TacticalJoke> I could say the same to you, lasserix.  :)
Jun 16 17:52:17 <barq> Hmm, this time the import seems to have worked better. No errors so far.
Jun 16 17:52:22 <TacticalJoke> We all think someone else's advice is bad sometimes.
Jun 16 17:52:23 <napster> Evening folks
Jun 16 17:52:25 <barq> lasserix: It's already cloned.
Jun 16 17:52:32 <lasserix> okay
Jun 16 17:52:34 <lasserix> one sec
Jun 16 17:53:40 <lasserix> http://postimg.org/image/s24t2oc2x/
Jun 16 17:53:52 <lasserix> then choose the second directory in
Jun 16 17:54:13 <barq> That's what I clicked.
Jun 16 17:54:20 <lasserix> yeah but you have to pick the right folder
Jun 16 17:54:31 <lasserix> so start at root and work your way in
Jun 16 17:54:37 <barq> The one containing the Manifest
Jun 16 17:54:41 <lasserix> also you can try the checkout from version control
Jun 16 17:54:51 <lasserix> did it fail to import
Jun 16 17:54:54 <barq> My ActionBarSherlock is gone
Jun 16 17:55:00 <barq> It's indexing now.
Jun 16 17:55:10 <lasserix> so basically your previous workspace had a bunch of dependencies
Jun 16 17:55:19 <lasserix> the different projects in your workspace are equivalent to modules in as
Jun 16 17:55:46 <lasserix> you might need to do the root folder, then go through the process of adding the modules and then readding them as dependencies
Jun 16 17:55:51 <lasserix> tho it should able to do this too
Jun 16 17:56:18 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: sorry, but telling him to do it all from scratch is terrible idea
Jun 16 17:56:36 <lasserix> you only do that when all other techiniques fail until you are really into s&m
Jun 16 17:56:36 <s73v3r> I have a set of ImageViews that I’m grabbing from my layout and adding to an array. Currently I’m doing array.add() and findViewById for each one. Is there a way to batch this, or a more efficient way, or is this the only way?
Jun 16 17:56:41 <TacticalJoke> It's the only way worth considering, IMO
Jun 16 17:57:01 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: if you have a lot of time to kill sure, but you are being paid
Jun 16 17:57:14 <lasserix> you are wasting you or your employers time and money
Jun 16 17:57:38 <TacticalJoke> So rely on a potentially buggy wizard that hides stuff from you that you *need* to know?  Doesn't sound like a good idea to me at all.
Jun 16 17:57:39 <lasserix> that's like saying even though there is ABS why not do it from scratch myself (before compat bar was available)
Jun 16 17:57:48 <TacticalJoke> It's much better that people figure out what the new project structure is.
Jun 16 17:57:58 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  No, it's nothing like saying that.
Jun 16 17:58:09 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: no, but if it works, you can spend time in the actual IDE instead of burning your time fixing stupid problems that have only to do with the transition
Jun 16 17:58:12 <barq> I tried migrating several times. This time looks the most promising so far.
Jun 16 17:58:22 <TacticalJoke> Imagine how much time he's wasted already.
Jun 16 17:58:27 <TacticalJoke> How much time so far, barq?
Jun 16 17:59:32 <barq> TacticalJoke: With the migrations wizard 15 minutes and I just managed to deploy from AS.
Jun 16 17:59:42 <barq> Before I tried other methods and took hours.
Jun 16 17:59:55 <barq> Like self-writing gradle scripts.
Jun 16 18:00:04 <barq> I got the scrips right but wrong dir structure.
Jun 16 18:00:25 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: he's going to learn all that in anyways, why get caught up in whether its a problem from eclipse versus a problem in as and just focus on the as stuff
Jun 16 18:03:28 <Birk_> hey guys. I'm still facing this problem (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30627223/views-not-wrapping-content-inside-card-view) Any ideas on how to solve that?
Jun 16 18:05:34 <TacticalJoke> s73v3r:  Why do you need to add them to an array?  Also, if they're children of a ViewGroup, they're already in an array.
Jun 16 18:05:56 <s73v3r> Cause I want to loop over them to set images from an array of images
Jun 16 18:06:13 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  Each to their own.  I just think it's a bad idea to introduce a complex process that hides important information from someone.
Jun 16 18:06:30 <s73v3r> unfortunately they’re not the only children of the viewgroup
Jun 16 18:07:51 <TacticalJoke> s73v3r:  Wouldn't it make sense to put them in their own ViewGroup?
Jun 16 18:07:59 <pfn> FlipBill, use something that someone is willing to support
Jun 16 18:08:01 <s73v3r> layout issues
Jun 16 18:08:05 <pfn> FlipBill, I'm not willing to support scala on android studio
Jun 16 18:08:06 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jun 16 18:09:12 <TacticalJoke> I guess one solution would be a ViewGroup subclass with a `setDisplayImage` kind of method.  Add a bunch of those to a ViewGroup, iterate, and call `setDisplayImage` on each.  (Then other Views can be around the ImageView without issue.)
Jun 16 18:09:43 <s73v3r> seems more work than just adding them to an array, though
Jun 16 18:10:02 <s73v3r> it’s not a problem, I was just wondering if there was a convenience thing for adding views to a collection
Jun 16 18:10:29 <g00s> it would be cool if you could apply some arbitrary tag to a view, and then have that group exposed by an iterator
Jun 16 18:10:44 <g00s> iterate over the views with tag = x
Jun 16 18:10:57 <s73v3r> I know in iOS (i know, boo, hiss) that you can add things to a collection from Interface Builder.
Jun 16 18:11:00 <g00s> you could do it with the setTag thing pretty easily, maybe with some parsing
Jun 16 18:11:10 <g00s> "tag1|tag|tag3"
Jun 16 18:11:29 <FlipBill> pfn, what do you suggest?
Jun 16 18:11:43 <pfn> the standard community usage of scala, intellij and sbt
Jun 16 18:11:55 <quinnjn> s73v3r, if you're using Butterknife there is @InjectViews({R.id.imageView1,R.id.imageView2}) List<ImageView> imageViews
Jun 16 18:13:00 <s73v3r> thanks. sadly, not using butterknife on this project
Jun 16 18:14:09 <wviana> Hello, I'm trying to add some features to a View, to it I'm extending this view class in getting it reference to it. Better understandable by the code. Probably I'm doing it completely wrong way, cause I'm down casting to my new class a reference to a view. here is the code http://paste.ofcode.org/iyjcHMpLJLamifd7DuswDY
Jun 16 18:14:10 <FlipBill> pfn, I see.  Will that entail additional effort regarding the maintenance of Android development tools?
Jun 16 18:14:29 <pfn> FlipBill, no
Jun 16 18:14:50 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: he's going to get around to learning all that, why get bogged up in the rotting carcas of eclipse while trying to figure out how to start fire?
Jun 16 18:16:11 <FlipBill> pfn, OK, then I'll look into starting from scratch.  Having used a Google bundle for AS some time ago, I'm not sure what's involved.
Jun 16 18:25:39 <FlipBill> pfn, will Intellij coexist peacefully with AS while I transition?
Jun 16 18:26:35 <FlipBill> I am wondering about the installation option regarding importing settings.  Will it take stuff from AS?
Jun 16 18:27:19 <pfn> yes
Jun 16 18:30:00 <lasserix> wviana: what?
Jun 16 18:30:04 <lasserix> where is the problem code?
Jun 16 18:30:20 <lasserix> its fine to downcast if all you need is access to the downcast methods
Jun 16 18:31:40 <wviana> LoadingAndCancelSearchBox searchBox = (LoadingAndCancelSearchBox) getActivity().findViewById(R.id.autocomplete_place);
Jun 16 18:31:40 <wviana>         searchBox.setAdapter(new SearchBoxAdapter(mainActivity, token));
Jun 16 18:31:40 <wviana>         searchBox.setLoading((ProgressBar) getActivity().findViewById(R.id.search_loading));
Jun 16 18:31:42 <wviana>         searchBox.setClearButton((ImageButton) getActivity().findViewById(R.id.clear_autocomplete));
Jun 16 18:31:45 <wviana> lasserix: fuc**
Jun 16 18:31:47 <wviana> sorry
Jun 16 18:33:00 <wviana> lasserix: I'm trying to get a usage like this, I did change some things in the class that you saw before https://gist.github.com/wviana/563da5683c218eb4dc2b
Jun 16 18:33:48 <FlipBill> pfn, oh my, this appears to have just plain worked.  Scary.
Jun 16 18:34:36 <FlipBill> But am I doing something foolish by having it update repo1.maven.org index?  Will it complete anytime this week?
Jun 16 18:34:57 <lasserix> wviana: what is th eproblem? you mean the downcasting in setLoading setClearButton?
Jun 16 18:35:10 <FlipBill> Oh. Wait. it finished.
Jun 16 18:35:19 <FlipBill> Thank you!
Jun 16 18:35:23 <lasserix> why don't you just add an overload to your custom class for setClearButton that takes a view root
Jun 16 18:35:54 <lasserix> or you can even just pass it the R.id.imageview then findViewById on the getContext from the loadingandcancelsearchbox
Jun 16 18:37:43 <Afzal> oh snap: https://github.com/googlesamples/android-topeka/
Jun 16 18:37:47 <Afzal> a sample project with TESTS!!
Jun 16 18:38:25 <wviana> lasserix: I did change the strategy, to instead of using a builder like this, https://gist.github.com/wviana/0b1c5ad4b9deca60e106 , I would use the classe like this https://gist.github.com/wviana/80da9bf917bcaeba88a9 , Then use it in the layout.xml like this https://gist.github.com/wviana/4abf5daa1cad2d4b8c23 , but I'm getting error when loading the layout. Actually the app is closing when It should open this activity.
Jun 16 18:39:44 <Afzal> wviana err, maybe set the width and height of the layout?
Jun 16 18:39:51 <lasserix> wviana: whats the stack trace?
Jun 16 18:41:03 <wviana> Afzal: it was working before with the parent class, lasserix here is the stack trace  https://gist.github.com/wviana/1a2e14dff91d2fd6ee28
Jun 16 18:41:08 <groxx> Afzal: whaaaaat?  they're dogfooding the test system?
Jun 16 18:41:22 <Afzal> groxx about time
Jun 16 18:41:23 <lasserix> wviana: in your builder
Jun 16 18:41:28 <lasserix> you'd have to look it up in xml
Jun 16 18:41:40 <groxx> Afzal: thanks for the heads up, I'll have to look through it :)
Jun 16 18:41:45 <lasserix> basically the first constructor is for code instantiation, the other (attrs defstyle) are for xml inflation
Jun 16 18:41:51 <Afzal> the androidTests look pretty tame
Jun 16 18:41:54 <wviana> lasserix: I'm not using the builder anymore
Jun 16 18:42:00 <lasserix> oh
Jun 16 18:42:10 <lasserix> wvianna
Jun 16 18:42:14 <lasserix> so make a new .xml
Jun 16 18:42:22 <FlipBill> pfn, I spoke too soon.  Intellij builds project OK with pure java, but same unresolved with Scala module.  Error references Gradle now.  You mentioned sbt - could that be the missing puzzle piece in your recommendation?
Jun 16 18:42:35 <lasserix> put all your autocomplete widgets in it
Jun 16 18:42:49 <lasserix> are all your autocomplete widgets part of the same relativelayout?
Jun 16 18:43:12 <lasserix> or can you show me the xml with the autocomplete/imageview/etc in it?
Jun 16 18:43:37 <wviana> lasserix: yes, https://gist.github.com/wviana/9b0740cd9a237a9e1c0b
Jun 16 18:45:22 <lasserix> wvianna
Jun 16 18:45:23 <lasserix> okay
Jun 16 18:45:34 <lasserix> so make your custom class extend frame layout
Jun 16 18:45:42 <lasserix> call it SearchAndCancelFindView or whatever
Jun 16 18:45:51 <lasserix> then do something like this
Jun 16 18:48:36 <lasserix> one sec
Jun 16 18:49:34 <pfn> FlipBill, you have to install the scala plugin...
Jun 16 18:49:57 <wviana> lasserix: shouldn't work with a class inherence just like this ? https://gist.github.com/wviana/8d6fb762a8b4ae86420a
Jun 16 18:50:50 <lasserix> you can but
Jun 16 18:50:57 <lasserix> wait a sec ill show you what I am doing
Jun 16 18:51:04 <wviana> lasserix: ok
Jun 16 18:51:19 <pfn> FlipBill, and of course, sbt is a requirement
Jun 16 18:51:30 <pfn> FlipBill, if you want to use scala you cannot build using ide, period
Jun 16 18:52:34 <_genuser_> yoyo ppl.
Jun 16 18:53:56 <theblang> In Rx, I have a flat map of four rest calls.  If the first one fails I need to just stop and say message A, but if the first one succeeds and a subsequent one fails I need to stop and say message B.  Any hint on how to accomplish this?
Jun 16 18:54:25 <theblang> I've got everything done and working, its just the two different error handlers I can't quite figure out
Jun 16 18:55:35 <s9iper1> lasserix,
Jun 16 18:56:33 <barq> I just migrated to Android Studio and have problems with my git repository. I have git/project, which contains the old Eclipse git repo and then I have git/project1, which is the new AS project. What is the best way to consolidate the two and commit?
Jun 16 19:00:59 <s9iper1> i have one column in which i have four same values i want  that if there are same values than only one is returned.
Jun 16 19:02:11 <lasserix> wviana: sorry that took so long http://pastebin.com/wGXSG6tq
Jun 16 19:02:25 <lasserix> basically subclass the autocomplettextview with a callback for those functions
Jun 16 19:02:40 <lasserix> but then PROPERLY encapsulate the views inside a viewgroup that is the searchandfind
Jun 16 19:03:03 <lasserix> don't just go linking different parts of the views in a viewgroup (PARTICULARLY if they have a common root)
Jun 16 19:03:10 <lasserix> because that'll break very easily)
Jun 16 19:03:26 <lasserix> so anyways subclass the autotv with the callbacks for the functions you need
Jun 16 19:03:35 <lasserix> then make a proper viewgroup that contains all the views
Jun 16 19:03:45 <lasserix> inflate that from a custom layout
Jun 16 19:03:55 <lasserix> then use that proper viewgroup in your layout code
Jun 16 19:04:04 <lasserix> now the layout code is a thousand times simpler
Jun 16 19:04:07 <lasserix> for your parent
Jun 16 19:04:15 <lasserix> and everything is properly encapsulated / abstracted
Jun 16 19:04:48 <lasserix> the merge tag btw, makes it so that since view is extending FrameLayout it only creates the single frame layout, it doesn't inflate a frame layout into a framelayout (it merges it)
Jun 16 19:05:09 <FlipBill> pfn, yes, I installed the Scala plugin and it appears to see the class. On SBT...
Jun 16 19:05:34 <FlipBill> I have been using SBT for Java/Scala work together on the server side but not with the IDE...
Jun 16 19:05:50 <lasserix> wviana: if you have any questions lmk hopefully you see why that approach is much better
Jun 16 19:06:02 <FlipBill> At a loss as to how to advise Intellij on how/why to use SBT.
Jun 16 19:06:07 <wviana> lasserix: I loved your solution
Jun 16 19:06:53 <lasserix> cool wviana you see the reason why too right?
Jun 16 19:10:34 <wviana> lasserix: we could make this custom view and post on github,
Jun 16 19:11:33 <wviana> lasserix: I would add something like this to control the loading visibility, cause the filter is performed async, https://gist.github.com/wviana/a587066eedd8d7022b99
Jun 16 19:12:44 <FlipBill> pfn, Oh, wait, just reread your last comment.  I cannot build Android project with Scala with IntelliJ?
Jun 16 19:13:28 <lasserix> wviana: for sure, just make to include a screenshot
Jun 16 19:13:41 <lasserix> and you might want to add custom style attributes that define where each is put
Jun 16 19:13:54 <lasserix> ie ditch the frame/linear just use a relative layout
Jun 16 19:14:05 <FlipBill> So why did I install it?
Jun 16 19:14:15 <lasserix> that way if it public people can order the layout as they like
Jun 16 19:20:26 <pfn> FlipBill, create sbt project, import
Jun 16 19:22:36 <pfn> FlipBill, you should never use ide to build, just to invoke your build tool
Jun 16 19:24:23 <FlipBill> pfn, So I have to make an sbt configuration that can build my Android app?
Jun 16 19:24:33 <pfn> yes
Jun 16 19:24:39 <pfn> you would have to do the same with gradle, either way
Jun 16 19:26:38 <FlipBill> OK.  I don't recall what I did to set up AS originally.  It allowed me to be ignorant of such detail.
Jun 16 19:26:53 <pfn> well, only for java apps
Jun 16 19:26:58 <pfn> you want scala
Jun 16 19:27:39 <FlipBill> yup. tryna be lazy
Jun 16 19:31:20 * pfn publishes more stuff to sonatype...
Jun 16 19:31:22 * pfn twiddles thumbs
Jun 16 19:31:26 <pfn> I like bintray so much better..
Jun 16 19:31:40 <pfn> I should figure out how jcenter and central work together...
Jun 16 19:32:37 <pfn> jcenter usage statistics > *
Jun 16 19:54:49 <heNNa-> can I prevent AS from always popping up its useless android view?
Jun 16 19:56:20 <adamDavis> Hey, I was wondering if anyone here might know if Restricted Profile users on an Android device are able to recieve application updates?
Jun 16 19:56:34 <arussellsaw> yo guys, is there any reason that a pretty much empty class extending Fragment wouldn't work with FragmentTransaction.add() ?
Jun 16 19:57:44 <arussellsaw> it's complaining that it's not an instance of Fragment, surely it should accept anything extending Fragment?
Jun 16 19:57:46 <lasserix> lots and lots and lots of reasons
Jun 16 19:58:08 <groxx> ugh.  I hate modal dialogs.  Android Studio had an error, which I can't inspect or report because the error caused a modal progress bar to spin forever, preventing me from doing so.
Jun 16 19:58:42 <lasserix> heNNa-: yeah but it takes a couple of hours and you really got be prepared to go blind cause i had a friend who did it but they had to stare it down with a face of dissapointment
Jun 16 20:00:14 <heNNa-> lasserix ok, so i just use some duct tape and hide it that way
Jun 16 20:08:09 <arussellsaw> what's a good resource similar to the Golang playground for posting java snippets?
Jun 16 20:09:03 <arussellsaw> i guess github gists but that's way more effort
Jun 16 20:10:15 <lasserix> heNNa-: i imagine there has to be some value in some text file somewhere
Jun 16 20:12:09 <pfn> ugh, I hate how chrome doesn't treat file:/// as same-origin
Jun 16 20:12:12 <pfn> stupid security bullshit
Jun 16 20:12:15 <arussellsaw> here's the problem i'm having: https://gist.github.com/arussellsaw/38d28bf7c032f2c6eaf7
Jun 16 20:12:45 <pfn> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=47416
Jun 16 20:12:49 <arussellsaw> line 13 is the problem line
Jun 16 20:14:14 <arussellsaw> anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
Jun 16 20:15:37 <s73v3r> Is MarkerDetails a fragment?
Jun 16 20:15:56 <s73v3r> does it inherit from Fragment? Or does it inherit from a compatibility Fragment?
Jun 16 20:16:23 <arussellsaw> it's extending Fragment
Jun 16 20:16:37 <danijoo> markerFragment inherits support frag i guess.
Jun 16 20:16:43 <arussellsaw> is that not all that's needed?
Jun 16 20:16:45 <danijoo> checck your imports
Jun 16 20:16:45 <pfn> --allow-file-access-from-files
Jun 16 20:16:47 <pfn> ah, can set that
Jun 16 20:16:48 <pfn> handy
Jun 16 20:16:55 <s73v3r> if you’re extending support frag, then you need to use the support fragment manager
Jun 16 20:17:10 <danijoo> duess it use app.fragment or ....v4...Fragment
Jun 16 20:17:29 <arussellsaw> v4 fragment
Jun 16 20:17:29 <danijoo> also, use AppCompatActivity
Jun 16 20:17:41 <danijoo> then replace getFragmentManager with getSupportFragmentManager()
Jun 16 20:17:51 <s73v3r> if you’re using support fragments, you have to use the support fragment manager
Jun 16 20:17:53 <arussellsaw> isn't that only for targeting lower apis?
Jun 16 20:18:05 <s73v3r> if you’re using regular fragments, then you can use the regular fragment manager
Jun 16 20:18:21 <arussellsaw> okay, so change the type of fragment i'm using, thanks
Jun 16 20:18:23 <danijoo> you should always use support fragmnents
Jun 16 20:18:25 <s73v3r> but in general, you’ll probably always want to use support fragments and support manager
Jun 16 20:19:22 <arussellsaw> aren't the support packages for targeting lower api versions?
Jun 16 20:19:34 <arussellsaw> i'm not bothered about supporting legacy really
Jun 16 20:19:38 <s73v3r> it gives you consistent behavior acrolss all versions
Jun 16 20:19:50 <s73v3r> yes, but in the future, the current version will be legacy
Jun 16 20:19:54 <danijoo> thats about having consiitent behaviour, not about legacy
Jun 16 20:20:10 <danijoo> everything < lollipop is legacy :p
Jun 16 20:20:21 <arussellsaw> yeah i guess you're right. why would they ever suggest using non support packages then?
Jun 16 20:20:26 <s73v3r> by using support fragments, you’ll always have the same behavior across all versions, even when M, N, O, and P come out
Jun 16 20:20:38 <s73v3r> the don’t, really
Jun 16 20:21:01 <danijoo> doesnt it even gets added automatically when you create an android project
Jun 16 20:21:02 <danijoo> ?
Jun 16 20:21:08 <pfn> it's about consistent behavior and bug fixes
Jun 16 20:21:12 <pfn> framework fragments never get updated
Jun 16 20:21:28 <pfn> anyway, using framework fragments saves you about 2000 methods or something like that
Jun 16 20:22:09 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/4f008d281c42063e56f4
Jun 16 20:22:10 <pfn> more than that
Jun 16 20:22:49 <danijoo> thats before proguard i guess?
Jun 16 20:23:05 <s73v3r> does ART have a method limit like DEX does?
Jun 16 20:23:08 <JFlash> please help me, I have a job interview tomorrow!
Jun 16 20:23:27 <JFlash> i have gridlayoutmanager which shows 3 images per row
Jun 16 20:23:53 <JFlash> how can I make it so that the images occupy 1/3 of the device width?
Jun 16 20:24:11 <s73v3r> use a tableview and tablerow
Jun 16 20:24:16 <JFlash> nooo
Jun 16 20:24:30 <JFlash> I'm using recycleview with gridlayoutmanager
Jun 16 20:24:36 <JFlash> I cannot change this
Jun 16 20:24:53 <JFlash> there must be something I put in the xml
Jun 16 20:25:08 <JFlash> like gravity = 1/3 or something. help me!
Jun 16 20:25:10 <s73v3r> i doubt that. it’s going to be in your recyclerview layout manager
Jun 16 20:25:33 <JFlash> s73v3r, good point but I don't really need it to work for all devices
Jun 16 20:25:39 <JFlash> I just have to show in my device
Jun 16 20:25:51 <s73v3r> no, i mean i don’t think there’s going to be anything in xml
Jun 16 20:26:06 <JFlash> i just need to scale up, that's all
Jun 16 20:26:06 <s73v3r> http://blog.sqisland.com/2014/12/recyclerview-autofit-grid.html
Jun 16 20:26:26 <JFlash> because right now I'm using match_content, so of course it's going to be the size of the original image
Jun 16 20:26:42 <s73v3r> have you tried simply setting numColumns=3?
Jun 16 20:27:16 <JFlash> all I did was to pass number 3 when I create the gridlayout.   create( context(), 3 )
Jun 16 20:27:32 <JFlash> the number per row and color is right, the problem is the size
Jun 16 20:27:53 <s73v3r> try using fill parent
Jun 16 20:28:27 <roney_> JFlash, set them weights
Jun 16 20:29:48 <roney_> i'm just guessing, but gravity zero and weight of 1/3 might work
Jun 16 20:31:31 <JFlash> roney_, weight of one third, is this even valid??
Jun 16 20:31:53 <s73v3r> do it as either .333333 or 33
Jun 16 20:33:25 <barq> What's the difference between compileSdkVersion 'Google Inc.:Google APIs (x86 System Image) and compileSdkVersion 'Google Inc.:Google APIs?
Jun 16 20:39:13 <JFlash> I used fill parent and it fixed the width problem, my 3 images take the whole length
Jun 16 20:40:14 <JFlash> however it's creating white spaces of something like 50dp above and below each row
Jun 16 20:40:18 <JFlash> why??
Jun 16 20:40:24 <roney_> JFlash, that's because all of them are struggling to fill their parent entirely, which means they have the same weight
Jun 16 20:40:49 <JFlash> you mean this about the white spaces?
Jun 16 20:40:57 <s73v3r> what’s your height set to? It could also be that your images are not of the proper proportion to fill the space
Jun 16 20:41:00 <roney_> nope, about your first sentence
Jun 16 20:41:20 <JFlash> exaclty I set height also to fill parent
Jun 16 20:41:22 <roney_> regarding the whitespace, I think it's the standard for cards in a RecyclerView.
Jun 16 20:41:35 <JFlash> maybe try wrap content for the height
Jun 16 20:41:39 <s73v3r> height should either be wrap content, or you can set the images to scale of centerCrop
Jun 16 20:42:06 <JFlash> and btw, yes I'm using cardview for each item
Jun 16 20:42:55 <s73v3r> cardview doesn’t matter
Jun 16 20:43:05 <s73v3r> you could easily be using naked imageviews and it’d be fine
Jun 16 20:43:10 <kailoAtWork> How do I make a module depend on an AAR that does not exist at configuration time?
Jun 16 20:43:21 <kailoAtWork> IE, one of my modules copies AARs into a clean location
Jun 16 20:43:40 <kailoAtWork> I'd like my app, which depends on those prebuilt AARs, to point at that clean location
Jun 16 20:43:49 <kailoAtWork> (for distribution purposes)
Jun 16 20:43:52 <lasserix> i have a viewpager with 10 items
Jun 16 20:43:56 <lasserix> i remove number 8
Jun 16 20:44:01 <lasserix> call notify data set changed
Jun 16 20:44:05 <lasserix> where does viewpager go?
Jun 16 20:44:13 <kailoAtWork> however if I reference the location directly, the project evaluation will never succeed because it can't find the AARs
Jun 16 20:44:20 <lasserix> please tell me factually that it goes to 7 or 9 automatically
Jun 16 20:44:32 <JFlash> guys, changing the height to wrap content did not fix it
Jun 16 20:44:48 <JFlash> here's what my grid_item.xml looks like:  http://pastie.org/10243936
Jun 16 20:44:48 <lasserix> JFlash: are you using a viewpager by any chance?
Jun 16 20:45:11 <s73v3r> set the image scaleType to centerCrop
Jun 16 20:45:15 <JFlash> lasserix, yes, this is all inside a frament with a viewpager
Jun 16 20:45:25 <lasserix> yeah
Jun 16 20:45:26 <lasserix> you need
Jun 16 20:45:58 <lasserix> http://pastebin.com/bAbARaZm
Jun 16 20:46:04 <JFlash> but why would it mater, viewpager is just the topmost container
Jun 16 20:47:39 <JFlash> lasserix,
Jun 16 20:48:40 <JFlash> s73v3r, centercrop did had an effect, but not what I needed
Jun 16 20:49:10 <JFlash> s73v3r, now the image is scaling up to fill all the height, howeve the problem is that the height is wrong
Jun 16 20:49:21 <JFlash> the width is what is right
Jun 16 20:49:44 <s73v3r> then you’d probably want lasserix’s thing
Jun 16 20:50:33 <lasserix> JFlash: trust me
Jun 16 20:50:48 <lasserix> if it is a viewpager having to do with height
Jun 16 20:50:54 <lasserix> its because of how viewpager measures
Jun 16 20:51:07 <lasserix> it always measure the height with the wrap or match assumption i think
Jun 16 20:51:36 <lasserix> i can't remember which, but i specifically had to use this because the viewpager wouldn't take the right height inside a view pager when it was containing a sequence of images
Jun 16 20:52:17 <Ironthighs> Looks like I'm going to Big Android BBQ
Jun 16 20:52:37 <lasserix> does anyone know
Jun 16 20:52:46 <lasserix> if i remove 8th element from page adapter data elements
Jun 16 20:52:50 <lasserix> and call notify data set changed
Jun 16 20:53:01 <lasserix> does the pager goto 7 or 9 or 0?
Jun 16 20:53:20 <s73v3r> try it out
Jun 16 20:53:34 <s73v3r> write a small app with 10 elements in a pager, and do just that
Jun 16 20:53:57 <s73v3r> i would suspect it would go to 9, because it’s got the same index, but fewer elements
Jun 16 20:57:36 <JFlash> lasserix, it did not fix it, I still have white spaces around my rows
Jun 16 20:58:25 <JFlash> lasserix, I suppose the only place I need to reference that class is in the XML, right?
Jun 16 20:58:38 <JFlash> in the java code I can still cast it to ViewPager normally?
Jun 16 20:58:54 <lasserix> sure
Jun 16 20:58:58 <lasserix> oh
Jun 16 20:58:59 <lasserix> well
Jun 16 20:59:01 <lasserix> that's why i added it
Jun 16 20:59:10 <lasserix> probably because you are doing something like wrong scaletype or something
Jun 16 20:59:14 <lasserix> or something weird with padding
Jun 16 20:59:32 <JFlash> i'm not setting any scale type
Jun 16 21:00:00 <JFlash> something I did do was to comment out this line:
Jun 16 21:00:47 <JFlash>  //rv.setHasFixedSize(true);
Jun 16 21:05:37 <lasserix> is the naviagtion arrow in a toolbar a menu item
Jun 16 21:08:21 <JFlash> no, I dont think
Jun 16 21:08:32 <JFlash> at least not in the toolbar as I'm using it
Jun 16 21:08:38 <JFlash> which should be the latest
Jun 16 21:09:04 <JFlash> battery out. catch up with you guys later. thank you!
Jun 16 21:47:40 <luist> hey guys… im using this to restart app, but sometimes it won’t make the restarted app the active window… any help? http://paste.ofcode.org/3acpQsfxBiPRbc7fnhreiBN
Jun 16 21:49:41 <dex2goat> why are you doing that? :|
Jun 16 21:49:48 <arussellsaw> what is the standard practise for making a fragment block touches to the rest of the layout? i've got a card fragment popping up over a maps marker, and i want to block map interactions whils it's visible.
Jun 16 21:50:32 <dex2goat> just make it clickable arussellsaw
Jun 16 21:50:43 <arussellsaw> the whole fragment?
Jun 16 21:51:04 <luist> dex2goat: me?
Jun 16 21:51:25 <dex2goat> arussellsaw: the viewgroup which contains the fragment usually
Jun 16 21:51:31 <dex2goat> luist: yes
Jun 16 21:52:05 <luist> dex2goat: because im clearing the app data/cache
Jun 16 21:52:18 <dex2goat> great
Jun 16 21:52:31 <arussellsaw> dex2goat: excellent, that sorted it out. thanks man
Jun 16 21:52:35 <dex2goat> just startActivity your MainActivity class
Jun 16 21:52:49 <dex2goat> and use intent flags that clear the task / activity stack
Jun 16 21:52:55 <danijoo> luist, alarmmanager has a minimum interval of 60 seconds since lollipop
Jun 16 21:53:07 <dex2goat> arussellsaw: np
Jun 16 21:54:05 <luist> danijoo: im not setting an interval, am i? it’s a run once intent
Jun 16 21:54:13 <danijoo> doesnt matter
Jun 16 21:54:19 <danijoo> must be at least 60 seconds
Jun 16 21:54:34 <danijoo> if you put something smaller in, it will still be 60 seconds
Jun 16 21:55:46 <luist> danijoo: but it seems to be working…. the app quits and a new one starts instantly
Jun 16 21:55:55 <danijoo> luist, on 5.0?
Jun 16 21:56:10 <luist> danijoo: well im using API 21 but with 15 compatibility
Jun 16 21:56:30 <danijoo> you should use this: http://pastebin.com/jJVZxFY6
Jun 16 21:56:35 <TacticalJoke> Why are you using System.exit?  Seems like a strange thing to do.
Jun 16 21:56:38 <luist> danijoo: im not running on 5.0 atm, but i’d like it to be compatible with 5.0 as well
Jun 16 21:57:01 <danijoo> yeah. System.exit(). no idea what this actually does on android..
Jun 16 21:58:12 <luist> danijoo: that wont allow me to quit the current app and start a new one, will it?
Jun 16 21:58:30 <danijoo> thats what it does
Jun 16 21:58:40 <dex2goat> well not really
Jun 16 21:58:47 <danijoo> but close to really :p
Jun 16 21:58:47 <dex2goat> the Application will not be restarted
Jun 16 21:58:55 <danijoo> true
Jun 16 21:58:57 <dex2goat> but that's definitely the way to go
Jun 16 21:59:06 <dex2goat> suggested that before but he seemed to ignore that :?
Jun 16 21:59:06 <dex2goat> :/
Jun 16 21:59:16 <arussellsaw> anyone know how to trigger a back button event when you click off of a fragment?
Jun 16 21:59:38 <dex2goat> call getActivity.onBackPressed()
Jun 16 21:59:45 <luist> danijoo, dex2goat: ok ill try that, thanks :)
Jun 16 22:00:13 <arussellsaw> do i set that to the onClick of the background to the fragment?
Jun 16 22:00:55 <dex2goat> yea you can do that
Jun 16 22:01:08 <dex2goat> or if you don't addToBackStack() you can call the FragmentManager directly
Jun 16 22:01:10 <dex2goat> up to you
Jun 16 22:01:45 <danijoo> if all you want is removing the fragment, just pop it without backpress
Jun 16 22:01:53 <dex2goat> ^^
Jun 16 22:02:19 <danijoo> nvm, next time i read what others wrote first :D
Jun 16 22:03:12 <surf2b1> off topic, but what is your average download speed? 23.8 Mbps looks to be the average in the US. http://www.netindex.com/download/2,1/United-States/
Jun 16 22:04:54 <danijoo> surf2b1, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4437820148
Jun 16 22:05:14 <Afzal> Where do I start looking if I wanna do camera video related stuff on Android. Especially with keeping a few seconds worth of frames in memory (disk or ram)
Jun 16 22:05:16 <arussellsaw> dex2goat: i've done addToBackStack on the transaction, and the back button removes the fragment, but i'd like the same behaviour for clicking away from the floating fragment
Jun 16 22:05:44 <surf2b1> danijoo: Nice. You live in Germany?
Jun 16 22:06:08 <danijoo> yes
Jun 16 22:06:09 <dex2goat> arussellsaw: you can call FragmentManager.popBackStack() or use getActivity().onBackPressed()
Jun 16 22:06:17 <dex2goat> danijoo: Berlin?
Jun 16 22:06:23 <danijoo> no
Jun 16 22:06:29 <danijoo> near Heidelberg
Jun 16 22:06:31 <dex2goat> ugh
Jun 16 22:06:43 <danijoo> and Frankfurt
Jun 16 22:06:58 <dex2goat> I'm in Kreuzberg
Jun 16 22:07:32 <danijoo> other end of germany ^^
Jun 16 22:07:33 <surf2b1> just switched to Time Warner Cable. Enjoying my new speed. http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4437823836
Jun 16 22:07:42 <danijoo> wow nice
Jun 16 22:07:57 <danijoo> thats what I have at university
Jun 16 22:09:03 <surf2b1> would love Google Fiber. Oh well
Jun 16 22:10:41 <TacticalJoke> What's with the book obsession?  http://www.reddit.com/r/Kotlin/comments/38jtg6/are_there_any_good_books_for_learning_kotlin/
Jun 16 22:11:14 <groxx> surf2b1: I think I'm paying ~$150/month for this http://cl.ly/image/341b120Y0a22
Jun 16 22:11:46 <danijoo> TacticalJoke, especially pre 1.0 where we have changing syntax with each milestone lol
Jun 16 22:11:47 <dex2goat> Kotlin has a one-two days learning curve IMO
Jun 16 22:12:08 <danijoo> dex2goat, only if you know java
Jun 16 22:12:09 <luist> anyone familiar with the LDAP library? I’m trying to set a timeout but i can’t use the LDAPConnectionOptions in the connection: http://paste.ofcode.org/7csv2wQy2aBLg22VWa6zG7
Jun 16 22:12:13 <dex2goat> it's really mostly syntax
Jun 16 22:12:14 <surf2b1> groxx: w/ TWC?
Jun 16 22:12:42 <groxx> surf2b1: comcast
Jun 16 22:12:43 <jaana>  books bring legitimacy
Jun 16 22:13:51 <groxx> which is why Java is The Most Legit™
Jun 16 22:14:18 <groxx> its books are the most numerous, the thickest, and the most expensive
Jun 16 22:14:34 <TacticalJoke> I wonder how long we have until paper books stop being printed.
Jun 16 22:14:52 <TacticalJoke> I say 100 years max.
Jun 16 22:14:54 * danijoo should write a book about himself.
Jun 16 22:15:06 <danijoo> tomorrow is to late
Jun 16 22:16:08 <pfn> Result compacted from 14877.5KiB to 11585.1KiB to save 3292.4KiB
Jun 16 22:16:09 <pfn> Merged dex A (8 defs/16.0KiB) with dex B (8439 defs/11584.6KiB). Result is 8439 defs/11585.1KiB. Took 0.8s
Jun 16 22:16:09 <pfn> [info] dex method count: 65355
Jun 16 22:16:11 <pfn> living life on the edge
Jun 16 22:16:58 <danijoo> thats a close one'
Jun 16 22:40:22 <g00s> if Kotlin wound up on Thoughtworks Tech Radar that would bring legitimacy too
Jun 16 22:40:24 <surf2b1> pfn: too close :O
Jun 16 22:41:31 * surf2b1 remembers when everyone was criticizing Facebook for loading multiple dex files
Jun 16 22:54:42 <s73v3r> anyone know where I can get a link to the GCM documentation for version 2?
Jun 16 22:55:03 <s73v3r> As in, the stuff before the stuff they announced at IO this year?
Jun 16 23:02:56 <groxx> archive.org ?
Jun 16 23:08:01 <g00s> ive noticed older versions of docs are usually online with GMS, you just have to figure out where the /v2/ goes in the url
Jun 16 23:11:43 <s73v3r> unfortunately i’m not finding it
Jun 16 23:12:27 <s73v3r> it’s like google has wiped any trace of old GCM off the web
Jun 16 23:19:15 <Peyam> Hi
Jun 16 23:19:56 <Peyam> I want to make an app that searches for a certain think on a page like Ebay and update the search automatically without using RSS
Jun 16 23:21:38 <Peyam> anyone?
Jun 16 23:21:45 <Peyam> what do I need to search for?
Jun 16 23:24:07 <TacticalJoke> A page like eBay?  The solution depends on the exact site.
Jun 16 23:24:40 <Peyam> I mean you search for Camera on ebay. and you will get a list of cameras
Jun 16 23:25:04 <Peyam> I wan the app to do the same thing or show the kategori of the site items and alert when new stuff arrive
Jun 16 23:26:14 <TacticalJoke> Google "ebay api".
Jun 16 23:26:29 <Peyam> TacticalJoke, well that was only an ex
Jun 16 23:26:36 <Peyam> I want to do it on a website called Blocket.se
Jun 16 23:26:43 <Peyam> becouse their RSS sucks
Jun 16 23:26:49 <g00s> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2015/06/more-material-design-with-topeka-for_16.html
Jun 16 23:27:00 <Peyam> what is this
Jun 16 23:29:23 <Peyam> TacticalJoke, any idea?
Jun 16 23:30:10 <TacticalJoke> I don't know whether it's even feasible, Peyam.
Jun 16 23:30:18 <TacticalJoke> It's not sufficient that some website is running.
Jun 16 23:30:41 <Peyam> TacticalJoke, the app they have alert you everytime a new item is added
Jun 16 23:30:54 <Peyam> I wana know how they do it
Jun 16 23:31:13 <TacticalJoke> Try googling "<site name> api" or something.
Jun 16 23:31:17 <TacticalJoke> Maybe add "rest".
Jun 16 23:32:04 <TwistedBlizzard> Hia, I am currently building an app that uses a PreferenceFragment. I would like to dynamically update the summary of one of my custom preferences with the value of the preference as it is changed. I have been trying to get OnSharedPreferenceChangeListener to work for over 8 hours now. If I put my code in a pastebin, would you be able to point out to me what I'm doing wrong?
Jun 16 23:32:13 <s73v3r> Peyam: They are likely using push messaging on their app
Jun 16 23:32:26 <s73v3r> You’re not going to be able to tap into that
Jun 16 23:32:28 <Peyam> s73v3r, and what does it mean?
Jun 16 23:32:59 <Peyam> even the site map looks crazy
Jun 16 23:33:09 <s73v3r> it means that when a new item is added, they send a message straight to the device with an alert
Jun 16 23:33:16 <lasserix> der[
Jun 16 23:33:47 <lasserix> TwistedBlizzard: state a problem
Jun 16 23:34:06 <lasserix> explicitly state your problem, look at the channel's topic.
Jun 16 23:34:24 <lasserix> unless you want advice such as, perhaps lithium and lobotomy would help you most.
Jun 16 23:35:22 <Peyam> TacticalJoke, http://www.moving2stockholm.com/ this app do the samething
Jun 16 23:37:15 <TacticalJoke> Some sites have "private" APIs.  The fact that some site has a mobile app doesn't necessarily mean that others can.
Jun 16 23:37:41 <TacticalJoke> When I was way younger I made a Yahoo! Chat client.  Yahoo! did not want people making chat clients, and they tried to kick us off.  It was possible to make such a thing, but it was a constant battle against them.
Jun 16 23:37:58 <Peyam> TacticalJoke, no theat app  does not belong to that site. but it find only apartment and notifies you
Jun 16 23:38:00 <TacticalJoke> It involved reverse-engineering stuff, and so on.  I was young and energetic enough to do it (I wouldn't do it now).
Jun 16 23:39:55 <TwistedBlizzard> lasserix: My problem is that OnSharedPreferenceChangeListener does not seem to be listening to changes in my shared preferences.
Jun 16 23:40:40 <lasserix> show me the code
Jun 16 23:40:49 <lasserix> where you declare your preferences listener
Jun 16 23:41:25 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: why do you mention that?
Jun 16 23:41:29 <lasserix> something in particular?
Jun 16 23:41:30 <TacticalJoke> Peyam:  If they provide an API, it's not too bad.  If they don't, you're reduce to web scraping, which is prone to breaking and not-fun.
Jun 16 23:41:39 <TwistedBlizzard> lasserix: It is declared in the PreferenceFragment
Jun 16 23:41:46 <TacticalJoke> reduced*
Jun 16 23:42:43 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: i feel so incompetent because i can't use AI to amke things, like say, a web scraper that learns so i dont have to worry about it breaking
Jun 16 23:42:44 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  I'm saying that stuff like this can be doable (even if it involves packet-sniffing the official client), but it can be painful.
Jun 16 23:42:52 <lasserix> ohh
Jun 16 23:43:01 <lasserix> TwistedBlizzard: code or gtfo
Jun 16 23:43:56 <lasserix> ?
Jun 16 23:44:17 <lasserix> like can you post where you do new OnShare... @Override public void onShared...
Jun 16 23:46:00 <lasserix> i know i should break this 2k line method down
Jun 16 23:46:02 <lasserix> but heh
Jun 16 23:46:03 <lasserix> hehehe
Jun 16 23:49:08 <TwistedBlizzard> lasserix: Here is code for the PreferenceFragment: http://pastebin.com/56by6ybe
Jun 16 23:52:32 <lasserix> TwistedBlizzard: are you certain all your keys are consistent?
Jun 16 23:53:01 <lasserix> and are you certain this fragment isn't being GC'd before you change those other things?
Jun 16 23:53:28 <lasserix> your sharedpreferences.onsharedpreerencechagelistener must outlive whatever is hass been implementing
Jun 16 23:54:34 <lasserix> TwistedBlizzard: where do you register and unregister it?
Jun 16 23:55:37 <TwistedBlizzard> lasserix: I forgot about registering and unregistering - I shall add that in and see if it's a fix :)
Jun 16 23:56:06 <lasserix> oh no don't do that
Jun 16 23:56:13 <lasserix> seriousily haven't you heard?
Jun 16 23:56:25 <lasserix> if you start a car, for whatever reason, it actually turns the car off these days.
Jun 16 23:56:41 <lasserix> you've just go to sit in the drivers seat and wait, and it'll start in no time!
Jun 16 23:56:42 <lasserix> :)
Jun 16 23:57:16 <TwistedBlizzard> I'm allowed to forget - I'm only human
Jun 16 23:59:41 <TwistedBlizzard> Would registering in onResume and unregistering in onPause do the trick do you think?
Jun 17 00:00:09 <g00s> usually in onstart/onstop
Jun 17 00:02:19 <lasserix> g00s why would that be?
Jun 17 00:02:20 <TwistedBlizzard> Having added the registering/unregistering, it works but is now giving the wrong value but is updating dynamically
Jun 17 00:02:31 <lasserix> when does a foreground activity go into the background and not stop?
Jun 17 00:02:52 <lasserix> TwistedBlizzard: then read your code slowly and you'll spot it
Jun 17 00:03:41 <g00s> lasserix you guys were talking about registering pref change listener right ?
Jun 17 00:04:06 <TwistedBlizzard> It's throwing the value selected before the the current value - I'll go and have a dig
Jun 17 00:04:37 <TwistedBlizzard> g00s: Yup
Jun 17 00:05:28 <lasserix> g00s yeah
Jun 17 00:05:34 <lasserix> just wondering what use is start and stop really
Jun 17 00:05:35 <g00s> yeah that should be good then. you could do oncreate/ondestroy but no point having them fire when activity is completely hidden
Jun 17 00:05:46 <lasserix> since resume/pause
Jun 17 00:05:53 <lasserix> why ever have/use start and stop?
Jun 17 00:06:04 <g00s> i use start/stop for almost everything
Jun 17 00:06:23 <g00s> if a dialog pops up over your activity it will get onPause, but not onStop
Jun 17 00:07:22 <g00s> or floating activity; for example my background activity still hows data being updated even though there is an activity floating over it
Jun 17 00:08:33 <lasserix> ahh
Jun 17 00:08:34 <lasserix> thanks
Jun 17 00:08:44 <lasserix> good examples
Jun 17 00:14:02 <lasserix> whats the keyboard shortcut to see all a classes methods and then jump to them by clicking/
Jun 17 00:14:36 <DadFoundMy> lasserix: let me know when you find out, that sounds interesting
Jun 17 00:15:20 <lasserix> there is one
Jun 17 00:15:46 <DadFoundMy> im not saying theres not haha, I'm saying it sounds useful and i will probably use it
Jun 17 00:17:01 <pfn> ugh, wtf is setting app:showAsAction="always|collapseActionView" not rendering correctly for me...
Jun 17 00:18:07 <lasserix> DadFoundMy: sorry i am a little bit besides myself, hallucinations (from sleep deprivation) finally wore off but am sporadically interjecting myself
Jun 17 00:18:29 <lasserix> since reading that again my reply totally is off the mark
Jun 17 00:19:09 <DadFoundMy> Haha don't worry about it everyone has those days
Jun 17 00:20:02 <lasserix> hmm there is a beach in indonesia called e-bay
Jun 17 00:31:04 <g00s> "Fundamentals of Deep Learning", only 150 pages ... i would think many more pages would be needed there
Jun 17 00:37:09 <tricknology_> heh fantastic g00s phrases, I always come in here with a chuclke
Jun 17 00:37:23 <g00s> :D
Jun 17 00:37:43 <tricknology_> so uh deeplink security question, theoretical. here, so bare with me..
Jun 17 00:38:22 <tricknology_> if an attacker was to install an app on your device then they could theoretically set up an intent filter to capture all your link presses, no??
Jun 17 00:38:53 <tricknology_> well ones with the schema they set up in the filter anyway..
Jun 17 00:39:56 <tricknology_> maybe even inject ads?
Jun 17 01:15:24 <Snicers-Work> I am trying to disable swipe to dismiss within an android wear application. When I try and test the application I get this: http://markdownshare.com/view/b845bc02-e3db-465c-829c-c13607a524e1
Jun 17 01:15:39 <Snicers-Work> caused by mDismissOverlay.setIntroText(R.string.long_press_intro);
Jun 17 01:15:54 <Snicers-Work> mDismissOverlay is set to mDismissOverlay = (DismissOverlayView) findViewById(R.id.dismiss_overlay);
Jun 17 01:25:11 <Snicers-Work> Everywhere I look I am doing it right. Am I on the wrong API version I am using API 22 (5.1.1)
Jun 17 01:35:47 <paulo_> Everything I do is wrong.
Jun 17 01:36:08 <dex2goat> wat
Jun 17 01:37:21 <g00s> paulo_ its a sin !
Jun 17 01:37:35 <paulo_> g00s: what is?
Jun 17 01:38:07 <g00s> oh, just a petshop boys song along those lines
Jun 17 01:41:29 <mmarklar> so material design suggests not using tabs for content that can be panned because swiping is a gesture to switch between tabs. Does anyone have ideas on what type of layout would work well for that type of content?
Jun 17 01:41:50 <mmarklar> I have 4 views/fragments that would fit naturally into a tablayout, but they are all pannable
Jun 17 01:47:57 <JFlash> help me please
Jun 17 01:48:07 <JFlash> why is this line returning a NP exception?
Jun 17 01:48:12 <JFlash> personViewHolder.personPhoto.getBackground().setColorFilter(Color.BLACK, PorterDuff.Mode.DARKEN);
Jun 17 01:49:02 <JFlash> i tried to add it both in the onCreateViewHolder and inside the onBindViewHolder
Jun 17 01:50:03 <mmarklar> JFlash: the viewholder, or the personPhoto, or the background are null? Check which one
Jun 17 01:50:36 <burntcookie90> hey guys, running into a weird issue on the Galaxy Ace running 4.2.2. It's throwing the following error: java.lang.TypeNotPresentException: Type java.util.Objects not present and it seems to be when gson is trying to parse a network response
Jun 17 01:51:11 <burntcookie90> the first (and really only) google result makes it seem like the galaxy ace is shipping it's own version of gson and that we need to change the package name of the gson we're using in order to reference ours
Jun 17 01:51:22 <burntcookie90> has anyone run into something like this before?
Jun 17 01:52:17 <JFlash> mmarklar, how to log is if its null
Jun 17 01:52:25 <JFlash> mmarklar, it's asking me for a string
Jun 17 01:52:44 <JFlash> Log.d( tag, string)
Jun 17 01:52:54 <mmarklar> JFlash: Its going to be easiest to set a breakpoint
Jun 17 01:53:01 <mmarklar> are you using android studio?
Jun 17 01:53:05 <JFlash> yes
Jun 17 01:53:26 <mmarklar> set a breakpoint and you should be able to inspect the variables
Jun 17 01:53:47 <JFlash> even if i dont have a reference?
Jun 17 01:54:01 <JFlash> do i need to create a local var?
Jun 17 01:54:08 <mmarklar> for getBackground you will
Jun 17 01:54:28 <mmarklar> the others should already be variables no?
Jun 17 01:54:38 <JFlash> the ohters are not null
Jun 17 01:54:45 <JFlash> if it's null why would it be?
Jun 17 01:54:56 <JFlash> the error already says it's null
Jun 17 01:55:11 <JFlash> the others are refrenced in other lines without a problem
Jun 17 01:55:27 <mmarklar> then you need to look why the background is null
Jun 17 01:55:41 <mmarklar> impossible for me to say why it is, you’ll have to debug it
Jun 17 01:55:57 <JFlash> so myabe my real question is.. why would the background be null at this point in time and how can I acess it afterwards , if not now
Jun 17 01:57:04 <icedp> JFlash: post the full stacktrace
Jun 17 01:57:38 <mmarklar> I’m not positive but if you don’t call setBackground() or have android:background in your xml the background drawable will be null
Jun 17 01:58:03 <tricknology_> I think this is true ^
Jun 17 02:03:55 <JFlash> ah nice
Jun 17 02:04:06 <JFlash> btw, i tried to set directly on the drawable
Jun 17 02:04:18 <JFlash> getDrawable() instead of getBackground()
Jun 17 02:04:35 <JFlash> however the image  is totally black
Jun 17 02:05:15 <JFlash> should I keep using getDrawable an change how the filter is applied?
Jun 17 02:05:46 <JFlash> or should I use the background and set image opacity to 0.5?
Jun 17 02:06:46 <JFlash> ok, getDrawable is not working. this affecting the image in all screens!
Jun 17 02:07:00 <JFlash> i will try what you said
Jun 17 02:12:42 <JFlash> ok this sucks
Jun 17 02:13:10 <JFlash> I tried adding this lines but it dowesnt work. I don't get to see darker images at all
Jun 17 02:13:12 <JFlash> android:alpha="0.5"
Jun 17 02:13:12 <JFlash>         android:background="@android:color/black"
Jun 17 02:20:51 <JFlash> ok guys this is super easy
Jun 17 02:21:09 <JFlash> i just had to apply a color filter to the imageview itself
Jun 17 02:21:27 <JFlash> not to the background or the drawable
Jun 17 02:22:19 <JFlash> PorterDuffColorFilter mColorFilter = new PorterDuffColorFilter(0x50000000, PorterDuff.Mode.DARKEN);
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