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Jun 27 03:10:36 <pfn> Leeds, why, you don't need to, can gradle and vim still
Jun 27 03:14:23 <capella> ah, the eclipse people are seeing the end (?) :/
Jun 27 03:15:42 <capella> g00s: scored me a Flame device w/FF OS 3.0 to tinker with :)
Jun 27 04:02:39 <pifon> i need a wperson good with webdev.. i have some questions (I'm not very good with web stuff)
Jun 27 04:02:45 <pifon> ques about apache server and css
Jun 27 04:03:57 <Leeds> pifon: this probably isn't the right place for that, but if you've got specific questions...
Jun 27 04:06:47 <pifon> I made an apache server and ran a webpage, the page doesnt show any css
Jun 27 04:06:56 <pifon> I'm doing this from withineclipse
Jun 27 04:07:00 <pifon> Leeds,
Jun 27 04:07:12 <desmin88> Did anyone see this? https://github.com/JulienGenoud/android-percent-support-lib-sample
Jun 27 04:07:54 <pifon> the page is all white with only the buttons and text
Jun 27 04:08:17 <Leeds> pifon: dunno what eclipse has to do with it, but... pretty basic things to do - look at the debugger in your browser and see if it actually loaded the CSS file, see if there are parsing errors... usual sort of debugging stuff
Jun 27 04:08:35 <pifon> ther arent any parsing errors
Jun 27 04:09:23 <icedp> desmin88: just today
Jun 27 04:09:27 <Leeds> oh good
Jun 27 04:12:06 <desmin88> icedp: I can't seem to find its actual source though
Jun 27 04:12:49 <icedp> desmin88: seems it not officially released, probably can add to gradle and decompile, don't know
Jun 27 04:13:35 <pfn> Leeds, so why can't you use vim and gradle?
Jun 27 04:13:51 <desmin88> icedp: Well either way its seems like a nice addition, much much better than using weight and weightSum
Jun 27 04:14:06 <Leeds> pfn: I probably can, but I should also probably get with the times - and if I'm going to learn gradle, I might as well look into an IDE as well
Jun 27 04:14:39 <Leeds> plus, I might actually be working with someone else on Android stuff - and he's a newbie who's jumped straight into AS
Jun 27 04:15:25 <pfn> Leeds, not much advantage to having the ide for gradle
Jun 27 04:15:37 <icedp> desmin88: no, it's not better than using weightSum. you could just set weightSum = 100 and use it as percentage. one more line. it's good addition because it gives you ability to control width/height of view in proportionally for FrameLayout and RelativeLayout, no need for child LinearLayout just for that
Jun 27 04:15:52 <pfn> icedp, weights aren't percrntages
Jun 27 04:15:55 <desmin88> ^
Jun 27 04:16:25 <icedp> did I say weights are percentages?
Jun 27 04:17:49 <pfn> and percent relative layout is huge
Jun 27 04:18:02 <pfn> linear layout cannot come. close to approximating it
Jun 27 04:19:25 <pfn> percent support lib is already in sdk
Jun 27 04:19:53 <desmin88> Does the percent lib require the two measurement passes that weight does
Jun 27 04:20:31 <pfn> http://imgur.com/KTWkokr
Jun 27 04:21:15 <pfn> don't know, don't care
Jun 27 04:21:22 <desmin88> ah see it now
Jun 27 04:23:26 <Sawbones> Has anyone tried the bitfountain android series?
Jun 27 04:23:35 <g00s> i keep forgetting about that percent support lib. dont see it in the revision history
Jun 27 04:23:41 <Sawbones> I'm about to buy it but i don't know of anyone who has used it
Jun 27 04:24:42 <desmin88> could you use the percentframelayout as a 'linear' percent layout by just assigning a top and bottom gravity?
Jun 27 04:25:39 <pfn> wait, what's the current gradle plugin version?
Jun 27 04:26:01 <desmin88> 1.2.3 for me
Jun 27 04:26:08 <pfn> I haven't seen anything since 1.2.3 in central
Jun 27 04:27:08 <g00s> maybe 1.3 is in build-tools rc ?
Jun 27 04:40:28 <icedp> http://t.sql01.com/sc/addcabf8_1435380006.png does that look okay?
Jun 27 04:40:50 <icedp> I'm loading a huge 4096x4096 texture :D
Jun 27 04:45:40 <g00s> Leeds have you done any vimscript ?
Jun 27 05:05:05 <g00s> capella what would be interesting, if atom allowed webassembly plugins
Jun 27 05:07:24 <capella> g00s: ah, it doesn't ?
Jun 27 05:07:45 <g00s> no idea, wince wasm is so new
Jun 27 05:07:49 <g00s> lol
Jun 27 05:08:06 <capella> right, oh! I thought you knew it doesn't, and was informing me of same :P
Jun 27 05:08:21 <g00s> thats one thing that always bugged me about vim, vimscript is pretty crappy
Jun 27 05:08:41 <capella> "one thing" ?
Jun 27 05:08:56 <g00s> :)
Jun 27 05:10:04 <g00s> neovim stuck to lua for plugins
Jun 27 05:10:40 <capella> I left text-editors back after |ed| in college
Jun 27 05:11:26 <icedp> g00s: isn't NeoVim idea that any (a lot of) languages could be *easily* used for plugins?
Jun 27 05:11:46 <capella> with a trip through wordstar :p
Jun 27 05:12:36 <g00s> i think the neovim guy(s) thought - maintaining compat with amiga and commodore vic 20 was waste :)
Jun 27 05:16:25 <capella> oh! and who can forget tso/ispf XD
Jun 27 05:20:10 <g00s> capella i dont remember that one :P
Jun 27 05:38:45 <g00s> are there any docs for the support percent library ?
Jun 27 05:39:20 <harencode> Test
Jun 27 05:39:34 <g00s> even if i search for PercentRelativeLayout i pull old junk from SO
Jun 27 05:43:26 <icedp> g00s: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kuuEyryuEToJ:mydroidapi.tk/reference/android/support/percent/PercentRelativeLayout.LayoutParams.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ua :D
Jun 27 05:44:24 <g00s> icedp hmm . why is it in a cache
Jun 27 05:46:36 <icedp> g00s: I have no idea why that site mirrors Android DAC
Jun 27 05:46:45 <icedp> but it's in its cache
Jun 27 05:59:10 <Sawbones> I need to get better with my xml layouts, are there any resources for that?
Jun 27 05:59:56 <capella> g00s: maybe you came too late for legacy work ;)
Jun 27 06:00:15 <g00s> i think so :D
Jun 27 06:01:21 <desmin88> Sawbones: what do you mean by better
Jun 27 06:02:23 <Sawbones> desmin88: To understand how to better layout my app, I'm trying to create a layout right now but seem to lack the knowledge of how each component behaves with each other
Jun 27 06:03:01 <desmin88> i could help you right now for this specific instance but theres plenty of tutorials on google
Jun 27 06:05:35 <g00s> saw a columnar database compat with android today, where did that go
Jun 27 06:07:06 <icedp> Sawbones: study some app on github
Jun 27 06:07:37 <desmin88> thats also a good learning resource
Jun 27 06:08:08 <g00s> aha! https://github.com/kevinlawler/kerf
Jun 27 06:27:27 <boodllebat> How should i make a custom adapter which'll accept mutiple XML ?
Jun 27 06:28:45 <boodllebat> I've already made a custom adapter that accepts one XML but i have no clue how to do it with multiple XML
Jun 27 06:29:04 <desmin88> boodllebat: You need multiple view types
Jun 27 06:29:22 <desmin88> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/BaseAdapter.html#getItemViewType(int)
Jun 27 06:46:09 <jul_> hi I made a little sample of the new android percent support library https://github.com/JulienGenoud/android-percent-support-lib-sample
Jun 27 06:47:31 <g00s> jul_ any idea why the docs aren't up ?
Jun 27 06:48:03 <g00s> i mean, the google docs
Jun 27 06:49:58 <treelzebub> been wondering that myself. i'd really like to poke around in the design lib source.
Jun 27 06:50:14 <jul_> jul__ the version code of the lib is -1, i don't know why there is nothing on blog ...
Jun 27 06:50:37 <g00s> ok thanks
Jun 27 06:50:54 <treelzebub> oh. i guess my comment was OT ;)
Jun 27 06:56:29 <g00s> weird that iosched 2015 still not out either. not that i'd expect any surprises, the production app was very plain
Jun 27 06:56:41 <g00s> (sources for that)
Jun 27 06:57:34 <treelzebub> yeah, i feel like what little momentum that was generated by I/O is pretty much gone now... M for MaybeLater? :P
Jun 27 07:04:04 <g00s> treelzebub yeah i/o seemed pretty tame, especially the android stuff (didn't follow anything else tho)
Jun 27 07:04:17 <g00s> wonder if they are getting burned out :P
Jun 27 07:11:53 <treelzebub> yeah, nothing groundbreaking... but i am stoked about data binding and vector drawables. and context-aware Google Now
Jun 27 07:12:21 <treelzebub> so stoked to rm /res/drawable-*
Jun 27 07:12:28 <g00s> hope we don't have to wait til the next i/o for data binding to be final ;)
Jun 27 07:12:54 <treelzebub> yeah, for real
Jun 27 07:13:00 <g00s> it would be great, when they announce stuff, for it to be ready
Jun 27 07:13:15 <Leeds> seems like both Google and Apple have hit a bit of a plateau in development - a pause to consolidate... possibly something to do with reaching, or approaching, the end of the mad phase of hardware development
Jun 27 07:14:17 <g00s> yeah i haven't really been keepin up with apple lately; not interested in watch. i'd consider iPad pro ... or Surface which probably beats it for utility
Jun 27 07:14:39 <g00s> Leeds they did quite a bit with Swift though
Jun 27 07:16:14 <g00s> i find them to be a bit elitist and arrogant, but i like their stance on privacy
Jun 27 07:17:16 <g00s> EPIC gave tim cook some leadership award in the privacy area; bruce schneier is on the board. so i think its pretty legit
Jun 27 07:17:26 <treelzebub> yeah, the mobile device market has got to expect diminishing returns on people's expectations and excitement. personally, i miss keeping a phone for more than a year. I WANT PROJECT ARA DAMMIT! i want to replace parts, not devices.
Jun 27 07:17:54 <g00s> yeah ara looks cool; just wonder how google will do QA with those ...
Jun 27 07:18:01 <g00s> seems like they have a hard time as it is
Jun 27 07:18:18 <Leeds> we're paying some guys in Sri Lanka to do an iOS app - after I asked them for a screenshot because I couldn't test it, the boss suggested I go find a second-hand iPhone...
Jun 27 07:18:57 <treelzebub> bahahah have fun with that :\
Jun 27 07:19:01 <g00s> i thought it was fun Leeds . really the only thing i prefer in android development are xml layouts and services
Jun 27 07:19:17 <Leeds> I'm not going to be touching the development
Jun 27 07:19:23 <g00s> Leeds you can use the simulator for almost everything
Jun 27 07:19:27 <g00s> oh, k
Jun 27 07:19:32 <Leeds> g00s: on Linux?
Jun 27 07:19:36 <g00s> lol no
Jun 27 07:19:42 <g00s> maybe there is a vim plugin :P
Jun 27 07:19:44 <Leeds> so, yeah
Jun 27 07:19:45 <treelzebub> yeah, that brings the inevitable question... is google going to actually start making devices? that could be exciting, and also help them get a better hold on their own platform
Jun 27 07:20:40 <Leeds> I'd say there is virtually zero chance that Google will make anything at a consumer level
Jun 27 07:20:48 <g00s> treelzebub yeah, dunno. reading about that Android One initiative ... again, seemed like Google dropped the ball
Jun 27 07:21:00 <g00s> didn't hear about that this I/O either heh
Jun 27 07:21:33 <treelzebub> haha Ara was discussed for exactly 1.5 mins. dude came out, assembled a phone, booted it up, THEN inserted the camera module, took a photo, and left.
Jun 27 07:21:39 <g00s> the OEMs were like, fuck that ... we assume all the risks, no margins for profit, etc blah blah
Jun 27 07:21:42 <treelzebub> it was impressive but ultimately anti-climactic
Jun 27 07:22:32 <g00s> treelzebub lol what do we need now, for 6 skydivers to jump out of a plane with one part each, to assemble it mid air ?
Jun 27 07:22:47 <g00s> each wearing glass to record it all
Jun 27 07:22:51 <treelzebub> haha no, but any sort of discussion at all would have been really neat ;)
Jun 27 07:23:26 <g00s> 'my samsung exynos cpu' is having a problem with my tegra gpu module and garmin GPS module
Jun 27 07:23:38 <Leeds> there was all the "Android One is coming to Europe!" hype a while back... actually, it was "Android One is coming to Turkey, which is a Middle Eastern country with a tiny part in Europe"
Jun 27 07:24:05 <treelzebub> i mean these guys basically reinvented interchangeable parts. you're telling me they can't come up with a half-hour presentation to create some excitement around their product, which is rumored to start rolling out in August?
Jun 27 07:24:42 <Leeds> treelzebub: not rolling out commercially, surely?
Jun 27 07:25:04 <treelzebub> g00s: yes, but the answer to that problem is finally not "sorry you bought that phone, we'll get you another one. that'll be $500"
Jun 27 07:25:35 <treelzebub> Leeds: probably not, but that's the rumor... http://www.knowyourmobile.com/google/project-ara/21923/google-project-ara-2015-smartphones-will-go-modular
Jun 27 07:25:39 <g00s> yeah, something like , android 6.0 doesn't support your acme memory module, yey
Jun 27 07:25:49 <Leeds> anyway, 3:30pm, time to go find some lunch in the big outside place
Jun 27 07:25:50 <treelzebub> naysay all you want. i'm stoked :D
Jun 27 07:26:03 <g00s> Leeds pizza hit !?!
Jun 27 07:26:09 <g00s> *pizza hut
Jun 27 07:26:22 <Leeds> aren't they doing a pilot in Puerto Rico?
Jun 27 07:26:29 <g00s> http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-strikes-out-with-android-one-in-india/
Jun 27 07:26:47 <Leeds> g00s: I actually walked past a Pizza Hut the other day, after talking to you about it - no mention anywhere in the store of the projector boxes
Jun 27 07:27:01 <g00s> hehe
Jun 27 07:29:32 <Leeds> lunch, and I leave you with pictures of a happy gorilla mummy... http://goo.gl/QC5G4S
Jun 27 07:30:05 <g00s> looks proud and protective :)
Jun 27 07:35:17 <yoavst> Is there a way to use V4 SwipeRefreshLayout but with the old design of refresh?
Jun 27 07:35:25 <yoavst> Or I have to use another library for that.
Jun 27 07:35:52 <g00s> something else
Jun 27 07:36:04 <g00s> swiperefresh does the spinning thingy
Jun 27 07:36:32 <yoavst> Yes but in the quick circle, it hides half of the screen :/
Jun 27 08:29:59 <Odaym> must be deep into the night over there
Jun 27 08:30:05 <Odaym> like 4 AM?
Jun 27 08:54:40 <Zajtarn> In my app right now so if you press the back button on the phone after you have searched for something, and you come back after pressing that button, the text is saved. But if I press the back button on the app at the top left, the text isn't saved when I go back. Do anyone know how I can fix that?
Jun 27 08:54:48 <Zajtarn> I tried with this code: http://puu.sh/iBcp7/70e37db7ff.png in the onBackPressed() method but it made the app crash
Jun 27 09:47:00 <Lonesoldier728> hey so I am using a service to run posting a new object to my db with a start_redeliver_intent the only issue is that it starts it again if I close the app even if the post was successfully created... how do I stop it if it is successfully created so the closing of the app does not restart the service
Jun 27 10:40:33 <anon_555> hi i want to build the app to show infomation about hotel and there are 400+ words i want to use sqlite3 i cannot store data there
Jun 27 10:41:01 <demahum> I have a service. It works perfectly. However, as soon as I close the app, it stops. What is the solution for this?
Jun 27 10:41:28 <demahum> anon_555: How do you mean you cannot store data there?
Jun 27 10:42:18 <barq> demahum: What is the reason the service stops?
Jun 27 10:42:38 <anon_555> public void onCreate(SQLiteDatabase db) {
Jun 27 10:42:44 <anon_555> remos everything
Jun 27 10:42:51 <demahum> barq: Yes. That is the question. I mean what is usually reason for this?
Jun 27 10:42:58 <demahum> barq: For such behaviour?
Jun 27 10:43:25 <anon_555> demahum: i just waant to store it in sqlite3 database and just show it in the app without any CRUD operations
Jun 27 10:43:39 <demahum> anon_555: Yeah, yeah, I understand.
Jun 27 10:43:47 <demahum> anon_555: Is the code huge?
Jun 27 10:43:50 <barq> anon_555: Show your code.
Jun 27 10:44:00 <demahum> anon_555: Can you share it somewhere?
Jun 27 10:44:42 <barq> demahum: Your service probably runs on the same thread as the app.
Jun 27 10:44:59 <anon_555> demahum: if i left onCreate(SQLiteDatabase db) { empty then does this work
Jun 27 10:45:01 <anon_555> ??
Jun 27 10:45:52 <demahum> barq: Good. However, this is my main problem. To make it run on separate thread, I have to edit my service, am I right?
Jun 27 10:46:17 <barq> demahum: Edit the way it is started.
Jun 27 10:46:18 <demahum> anon_555: Share the code. It is difficult to help you this way.
Jun 27 10:47:11 <Foxandxss> storing and reading in a DB involves CRUD
Jun 27 10:47:27 <barq> demahum: How are you starting your service?
Jun 27 10:49:06 <demahum> barq: That is the question. This is the thing... I am working on this paho project (Android + MQTT). The sample app works perfectly. I have read 2000+ lines of the main code (without library) and I understand 99% of it. But the service stops it self. I forgot where it is started, I am looking for it now.
Jun 27 10:49:15 <anon_555> demahum: http://pastebin.com/Vmp0g2xx
Jun 27 10:49:20 <demahum> barq: It is registered in the manifest.
Jun 27 10:49:28 <barq> demahum: http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/AndroidServices/article.html#service_binding
Jun 27 10:49:46 <anon_555> demahum: i don't want contacts to be created when this is run i want to save it in database and just load from the app
Jun 27 10:49:50 <demahum> barq: Is there other way to start it besides startService().
Jun 27 10:50:14 <barq> demahum: Yes. startForeground for example.
Jun 27 10:50:28 <demahum> barq: I have read that. I am looking at the code now... Just a sec...
Jun 27 10:50:29 <barq> demahum: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html
Jun 27 10:50:40 <demahum> barq: That as well. :D
Jun 27 10:51:07 <barq> anon_555: What is the problem with the code?
Jun 27 10:51:48 <anon_555> when the app is loaded it creates the table empty
Jun 27 10:52:21 <barq> anon_555: Set database version to 2
Jun 27 10:55:49 <barq> anon_555: Did that work?
Jun 27 10:56:49 <demahum> barq: So, it is not possible that the service is not started in the code (declaring in the manifest is not enough to start the service)?
Jun 27 10:57:55 <barq> A service is "started" when an application component (such as an activity) starts it by calling http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Context.html#startService%28android.content.Intent%29
Jun 27 10:57:58 <barq> demahum: ^
Jun 27 10:58:45 <demahum> barq: So, it means that the name of my service HAS to be mentioned somewhere in the code of the project (besides manifest)?
Jun 27 11:09:43 <Morgazmo> Hi, is there anyone handy that might be able to point me right on my collapsible toolbar XML?
Jun 27 11:12:47 <liuwenhao> Hey guys. Android Studio question. Is there a way to make floating windows transparent in the IDE? For example: I want my project structure floating and transparent
Jun 27 11:18:42 <Morgazmo> liuwenhao have you tried setting the window background color to #00FFFFFF
Jun 27 11:28:28 <Morgazmo> Anybody able to help me understand collapsible toolbars?
Jun 27 12:10:23 <liuwenhao> @Morgazmo that's just for the editor window right? Is there a way I can set custom colors for floating window backgrounds only?
Jun 27 12:24:57 <Rahman> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with threading. I have a UI thread and a thread that loops. Essentially I'd like to share and integer and textview between the two, what's the safest way to do this?
Jun 27 12:24:59 <Rahman> thanks
Jun 27 12:54:34 <narekb> hey guys, I noticed that most tutorials on SlidingTabs mention that Google has not updated official docs on them, is that true as of now?
Jun 27 13:03:17 <demahum> I am working with the Paho project (Android + MQTT). I have both the Service and Client library imported as jars in Sample project. Everything works perfectly. However, I would like to edit these libraries. Any advices?
Jun 27 13:20:07 <tx> once I sort a gridview (after adding a new item)
Jun 27 13:20:11 <tx> how can I fade it in
Jun 27 13:20:16 <tx> / animate it
Jun 27 13:20:26 <tx> it seems that every time I do it the _last_ item in the grid is animated instead.
Jun 27 13:21:25 <tx> Deletion is easy because you can just grab the view and make an animation with a listener
Jun 27 13:21:39 <tx> but adding not so much, as it doesn't exist as a view until the data set is changed.
Jun 27 13:24:38 <demahum> I am working with the Paho project (Android + MQTT). I have both the Service and Client library imported as jars in Sample project. Everything works perfectly. However, I would like to edit these libraries. Any advices?
Jun 27 13:44:30 <t2mkn> hello all
Jun 27 13:45:55 <demahum> t2mkn: Hello.
Jun 27 13:46:32 <t2mkn> demahum: hi
Jun 27 13:47:13 <demahum> t2mkn: You need help?
Jun 27 13:48:02 <t2mkn> which method you people prefer to develop preference screen with AppCompat themes, with Toolbar?
Jun 27 13:48:48 <t2mkn> have a listview, have a fragment, or make custom preference with adoptor.
Jun 27 13:49:16 <t2mkn> demahum: need suggestions :)
Jun 27 13:52:09 <t2mkn> i am experiencing strange behaviour of SwitchPreference on Android 4.0.4. which extends AppCompatPreferenceActivity.
Jun 27 13:52:16 <Binero> Does anyone have a clue why this styling of the actionbar isn't working?
Jun 27 13:52:17 <Binero> https://gist.github.com/Binero/1aa951aedee7e7749ea4
Jun 27 13:52:36 <Binero> I am new to Android development. I am using the support library.
Jun 27 13:53:00 <Binero> The action bar isn't getting coloured but instead appears white, with white text on top of it.
Jun 27 13:53:15 <Binero> When I remove the actionBarStyle line it reverts back to the default black actionbar.
Jun 27 13:56:47 <t2mkn> Binero: checkout https://developer.android.com/training/basics/actionbar/styling.html
Jun 27 13:58:14 <Binero> t2mkn Seems like that is what I am doing though
Jun 27 13:58:38 <Binero> t2mkn Only difference is I am not using a @drawable, but StackOverflow suggested to just use the Hex.
Jun 27 13:58:55 <Binero> Drawables are only for images, right?
Jun 27 13:59:33 <t2mkn> drawables can also have color and gradients
Jun 27 13:59:59 <Binero> t2mkn How would I define it in that case? @drawable/#FFFFFF?
Jun 27 14:00:54 <t2mkn> Binero: u need to make a drawable xml file say actionbar_background.xml and make things in it.
Jun 27 14:01:01 <Binero> aha
Jun 27 14:01:10 <t2mkn> just Google about it.
Jun 27 14:01:15 <Binero> I just found a guide on the developer website, I think I'm going to follow that
Jun 27 14:01:19 <Binero> I am! :p
Jun 27 14:01:34 <t2mkn> nice
Jun 27 14:01:53 <Binero> Odd how I kept finding people doing >#FFFFFF</item> and it working, is that an old thing?
Jun 27 14:02:46 <t2mkn> u can do that too. but not prefered. hardcoding is not prefered.
Jun 27 14:02:52 <Binero> hmm
Jun 27 14:02:57 <Binero> So it should work?
Jun 27 14:03:50 <t2mkn> Binero: compair with the link i gave u. scroll to styling with AppCompat section.
Jun 27 14:07:14 <Binero> t2mkn Seems like, except the @drawable, that's exactly what I'm doing
Jun 27 14:07:35 <Binero> I'm going to try with colors.xml as the color guides suggest
Jun 27 14:08:41 <Binero> Same thing when I define a color inside the colors.xml and use that. It makes my actionbar white, and the text on it white?
Jun 27 14:09:59 <Binero> aha seems like it's simply ignoring my android:background
Jun 27 14:10:08 <Binero> changing the parent does affect it
Jun 27 14:11:26 <t2mkn> u r missing <item name="titleTextStyle"> inside <style name="AppTheme.ActionBar" ...
Jun 27 14:12:13 <Binero> t2mkn It doesn't have that on the link you showed me either? o.o
Jun 27 14:12:52 <Binero> oh you mean for the title color, yeah, but I am trying to debug this background first
Jun 27 14:13:31 <Binero> the background is the default, it ignores android:background
Jun 27 14:14:36 <t2mkn> Binero: use just "background" instead of "android:background"
Jun 27 14:15:07 <t2mkn> thats Support library compatibility
Jun 27 14:15:11 <Binero> OH can't believe I overlooked that
Jun 27 14:15:38 <Binero> thanks a lot! :)
Jun 27 14:15:47 <Binero> Sorry, should've paid more attention
Jun 27 14:16:35 <t2mkn> it happens :P
Jun 27 14:34:01 <AndroidNewb> Hi Guys, our class have a trick design exercises on android: Portraite should look like this http://s24.postimg.org/ay91gkwlh/Screen_Shot_2015_06_27_at_10_26_49_PM.png and landscape should look like this http://s4.postimg.org/i4wjio3hp/Screen_Shot_2015_06_27_at_10_26_59_PM.png , heres my code: http://pastebin.com/Yf4ZeTvr I have a problem switching to landscape, mine goes horizontally
Jun 27 14:36:50 <AndroidNewb> it must be done only on XML
Jun 27 14:46:10 <osxorgate> AndroidNewb: make a new layout file with the same name in /res/layout-land
Jun 27 14:46:23 <osxorgate> with orientation="horizontal"
Jun 27 14:47:30 <osxorgate> dunno if you can just define the orientation in the xml, should be 1 or 2 i think
Jun 27 14:51:02 <AndroidNewb> osxorgate: should be 1 or 2? what do you mean by this?
Jun 27 14:51:45 <AndroidNewb> so android will just automatically choose the right layout for the orientation as long as you use the same XML name?
Jun 27 14:52:39 <osxorgate> yes
Jun 27 14:52:50 <AndroidNewb> COOL! I did not know that!
Jun 27 14:53:12 <osxorgate> this guy http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/LinearLayout.html#attr_android:orientation
Jun 27 14:53:28 <osxorgate> i dunno if you can instead put this value in different xml files
Jun 27 14:53:41 <AndroidNewb> osxorgate: thanks though, it help alot
Jun 27 14:53:55 <osxorgate> also your weight does not need to be 0.14
Jun 27 14:53:58 <osxorgate> they can all be 1
Jun 27 14:54:01 <osxorgate> or all be 19
Jun 27 14:54:12 <osxorgate> as long as they are the same, in your case
Jun 27 14:54:46 <AndroidNewb> osxorgate: thanks, ill try this one out
Jun 27 14:59:01 <osxorgate> AndroidNewb: also if you use weight, you should set either layout_height or layout_width to "0dp"
Jun 27 15:06:23 <osxorgate> AndroidNewb: for extra credit from your teacher do this:
Jun 27 15:06:25 <osxorgate> https://gist.github.com/xorgate/ef79608fe16fe90dcea1
Jun 27 15:06:35 <osxorgate> sadly have to use styles for it
Jun 27 15:06:37 <AndroidNewb> hah lol
Jun 27 15:06:47 <AndroidNewb> Thanks for the help.
Jun 27 15:07:22 <AndroidNewb> Ill look into it, thanks again ;)
Jun 27 15:09:54 <bolovanos> is anyone capable to do analyse of this "android.widget.ListView{41e34938 V.ED.VC. ......I. 0,0-0,0 #7f060001 app:id/listview}"
Jun 27 15:10:07 <AndroidNewb> nice osxorgate
Jun 27 15:10:25 <bolovanos> or source where where they do?
Jun 27 15:50:28 <routebee> quick question...
Jun 27 15:50:50 <routebee> im a second year IT student
Jun 27 15:51:04 <routebee> IT and Business actually
Jun 27 15:51:24 <routebee> I have done 3 programming subjects
Jun 27 15:51:50 <routebee> basic java, intermediate java and intermediate cpp
Jun 27 15:52:11 <routebee> where do i start on android?
Jun 27 15:52:43 <routebee> what do i read to get me functioning on app development
Jun 27 15:52:56 <liuwenhao> Download Android Studio, set up the Android SDK, and watch some basic Android app tutorials (step by step build guides) on Youtube/Lynda.com/whatever
Jun 27 15:53:15 <liuwenhao> if you already know java fundamentals its much better to just start building an app than reading android books. you will learn much faster
Jun 27 15:53:45 <routebee> i have landed a job in web design
Jun 27 15:53:46 <liuwenhao> You can follow along with tutorials and then start tweaking and building your own stuff while gradually learning the IDE and Android quirks
Jun 27 15:54:35 <routebee> they said they would start me on sales cold calling businesses and trying to win hosting and mobe me to porting ios to android once i was up to speed
Jun 27 15:55:21 <routebee> i'll watch some videos this week end i guess
Jun 27 15:55:58 <liuwenhao> https://www.udacity.com/course/android-development-for-beginners--ud837
Jun 27 15:56:19 <routebee> looking now
Jun 27 15:56:55 <liuwenhao> some of this will be easy since you already started learning Java. But the Android specific stuff is essential
Jun 27 15:57:13 <routebee> thanks
Jun 27 15:57:16 <liuwenhao> If you wanna read anything, look up Activities/fragments and learn how the activity lifecycle works. That's a very important concept that you will use immediately
Jun 27 15:57:19 <routebee> one more question
Jun 27 15:57:23 <liuwenhao> but skip the books IMO
Jun 27 15:58:49 <routebee> is it possible for a phone to read out the sygnal strengths on all the different network signals passively, ie without sending any signals
Jun 27 15:59:38 <Foxandxss> I love reading books
Jun 27 15:59:49 <Foxandxss> every people learn in a different way
Jun 27 16:00:55 <routebee> i want to write a program that reads out all the available networks AT&T (3 bars) Vodafone (2 bars) Optus (4 bars) etc etc
Jun 27 16:00:59 <routebee> possible?
Jun 27 16:01:07 <routebee> passively
Jun 27 16:01:22 <liuwenhao> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1967136/how-to-get-cell-service-signal-strength-in-android Might be relevant
Jun 27 16:01:32 <routebee> that can be my first project
Jun 27 16:01:59 <tx> hmm
Jun 27 16:02:05 <tx> I have an animation that I programatically start
Jun 27 16:02:05 <tx> but
Jun 27 16:02:21 <tx> for a brief second, the view is shown before the animation begins.
Jun 27 16:02:37 <tx> so there's a bit of lag between the view being inflated and the animation starting.
Jun 27 16:02:57 <tx> Could I make the view not visible and then make an animation listener that sets it visible on animation start?
Jun 27 16:04:16 <routebee> thanks liu, thats all a bit over my head but it gets me thinking
Jun 27 16:04:39 <routebee> i'll ask my coworkers at this new job
Jun 27 16:05:04 <liuwenhao> If you ever have any questions or can't figure stuff out, start by reading the Android SDK, then if you can't fix it yourself search on StackOverflow
Jun 27 16:05:15 <liuwenhao> a lot of stuff is really poorly documented so stackoverflow is essential
Jun 27 16:05:22 <routebee> i think im going to drop out and develop sone software in my spare time
Jun 27 16:05:53 <routebee> i'll try to remember that
Jun 27 16:06:49 <liuwenhao> oh
Jun 27 16:07:01 <liuwenhao> another good resource: http://androidweekly.com you should subscribe to this newsletter
Jun 27 16:07:16 <liuwenhao> great way to keep up to date with the best android dev articles
Jun 27 16:07:25 <liuwenhao> the stuff they curate is best of the best
Jun 27 16:07:34 <routebee> ok
Jun 27 16:07:35 <liuwenhao> whoops wrong link
Jun 27 16:07:36 <liuwenhao> http://androidweekly.net/
Jun 27 16:08:05 <liuwenhao> and following experienced devs on twitter is cool too
Jun 27 16:08:21 <liuwenhao> but not really important
Jun 27 16:10:05 <routebee> i subscribed just waiting for the confirmation email now
Jun 27 16:37:54 <pfn> I got such big download numbers on my plugin yesterday, I wonder why
Jun 27 16:47:15 <johnc--> hello i install android studio bundle on Windows 7 64bit and i need to reinstall Windows 7. Since i download many versions from the SDK manager i want to backup android studio before reinstalling Windows 7. I backup the whole C:\Users\John\.android  folder and also the sdk located inside  C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\sdk
Jun 27 16:47:19 <johnc--> ..after reinstalling Windows 7 and also reinstalling android studio bundle and replacing it using the backup folder "will android studio still works using the avd's i already created and downloaded". Thanks
Jun 27 16:48:47 <shoerain> i am so in love with builder patterns
Jun 27 16:52:43 <fancy42> is there a schedule when i can have my 'full' app on android auto? my understanding is that it's currently only possible to send sounds/music or text notifications
Jun 27 17:34:56 <kuldeepdhaka> how do i detect "ndk-build NDK_DEBUG=1" if NDK_DEBUG equal 1 or zero in Android.mk and source code?
Jun 27 18:25:41 <paulo_> hello
Jun 27 18:28:17 <bolovanos> any idea how to refresh hierarchy viewer in android studio?
Jun 27 18:33:03 <saapas> bolovanos, you launch it from AS? how? I launch it from terminal. anyway, I refresh it by clicking on the leftmost button in the bottom, then again Load View Hierarchy
Jun 27 18:33:17 <saapas> bolovanos, oh and I press Refresh in the middle, too.
Jun 27 18:34:43 <kuldeepdhaka> ifeq ($(NDK_DEBUG),"tocompare") work for me
Jun 27 18:35:22 <Mavrik> NDK_DEBUG or APP_OPTIM?
Jun 27 18:35:30 <Mavrik> the builder should set NDEBUG define
Jun 27 18:39:12 <yoavst> How can I indicate the a ViewPager is scrollable without tabs?
Jun 27 18:50:08 <gdrc> my new setup at work https://goo.gl/photos/NHhRHC5AB41hU6j36
Jun 27 18:51:31 <yoavst> gdrc: I like the books :)
Jun 27 18:52:19 <gdrc> so useful
Jun 27 19:05:05 <yoavst> How can I indicate the a ViewPager is scrollable without tabs?
Jun 27 19:05:27 <pfn> gdrc, vesa arms or gtfo
Jun 27 19:05:48 <pfn> yoavst, a hamburger embedded in the side
Jun 27 19:06:08 <gdrc> lol yes pfn , you talk to my boss lol
Jun 27 19:06:12 <yoavst> pfn: do you have a picture?
Jun 27 19:09:26 <icedp> gdrc: probably monitor bracket would've been cheaper than those books :)
Jun 27 19:09:27 <adq> wow we can read text partially when zooming
Jun 27 19:10:02 <adq> i just released my troll watch face for android wear, ppl are already getting trolled at not getting the joke. </achievement>
Jun 27 19:10:54 <Mavrik> gdrc, the 5k imac?
Jun 27 19:11:15 <gdrc> nope
Jun 27 19:11:36 <gdrc> but I have 32gb of ram lol
Jun 27 19:11:47 <gdrc> I don't even know why
Jun 27 19:15:20 <zzxx> heya. In Android Studio, why does my Tests folder dissapear when I switch build variants to Test Artifact: UnitTests ?
Jun 27 19:21:59 <saapas> zzxx, which view in Project do you have? before you do the switch, you have Instrumentation tests selected, yes?
Jun 27 19:24:04 <zzxx> saapas: yes. That's correct.
Jun 27 19:25:15 <saapas> zzxx, please, which view in Project view do you have? Project, Android, or what? I think that the tests you have now, are in the Instrumentation tests folder, and that you don't have any Unit tests
Jun 27 19:25:34 <saapas> ..at least not where gradle/AS is looking for them
Jun 27 19:25:47 <zzxx> Ah sorry, yes this is also correct. I am in the Android view
Jun 27 19:26:10 <zzxx> I think I am starting to figure it out here. It hides the instrumetation tests when i switch to unit testing (which makes sense I guess). I added in some folders for plain old unit testing and those are now showing when selecting unit tests
Jun 27 19:26:44 <saapas> zzxx, try the Project view. I have that always open, not including the very seldom times I want to check something in other views.
Jun 27 19:27:04 <zzxx> Ok, ill see if I like it better. Thanks!
Jun 27 19:27:09 <saapas> sure
Jun 27 19:27:36 <saapas> took me two days to figure out how to set up both tests this spring >_<
Jun 27 19:27:52 <zzxx> Two days?!
Jun 27 19:27:56 <saapas> I know.
Jun 27 19:27:57 <zzxx> thats fast compared to me
Jun 27 19:27:57 <zzxx> haha
Jun 27 19:28:01 <saapas> oh, thanks
Jun 27 19:28:13 <zzxx> its really tripping me up. but ill get it.
Jun 27 19:28:21 <saapas> I was this close to giving up
Jun 27 19:28:37 <saapas> dozens of guides that are misleading or outdated or so
Jun 27 19:29:03 <zzxx> Yeah, so much stuff listing incompatible outdated libraries is a major frustration at the moment
Jun 27 19:29:09 <saapas> fortunately, if you start a new project in AS, it writes instrumentation (?) tests folder itself.
Jun 27 19:29:25 <zzxx> Yes it does indeed
Jun 27 19:29:33 <pressure679> Can I use java.net.InetAddress for an android app?
Jun 27 19:30:23 <saapas> pressure679, if it's available when you're writing an android app, then sure
Jun 27 19:30:45 <pressure679> Or are you restricted to using the android api?
Jun 27 19:31:26 <saapas> pressure679, uhm well I do several classes under the java.whatever package so no you're not restricted
Jun 27 19:31:27 <pressure679> saapas: weird thing it compiles, but it is not usable on the Eclipse APD
Jun 27 19:31:38 <saapas> APD?
Jun 27 19:31:51 <pressure679> sry, AVD - Android Virtual Device
Jun 27 19:31:59 <saapas> zzxx, unfortunately neither instrumentation/unit tests don't cover everything if you're writing a hybrid android/web app :)
Jun 27 19:32:46 <saapas> pressure679, how does it appear that it's not usable?
Jun 27 19:32:55 <saapas> somekinda exception on app launch?
Jun 27 19:34:29 <zzxx> saapas: yes, I am just getting in to testing, but it seems to be quite involved with many different facets
Jun 27 19:35:53 <pressure679> saapas: under the tab Project Manager, Right Click the project, under the tab Run As click Android Application, when I choose android version 8, 15 and 22 the program I made it is not runnable on the AVD (android Virtual Device on Eclipse Java IDE)
Jun 27 19:37:11 <pressure679> A hello world example from  http://www.mkyong.com/android/android-hello-world-example/ works fine though
Jun 27 19:37:39 <pressure679> Thing is I need jnetpcap ext lib to compile for an android device
Jun 27 19:38:13 <saapas> pressure679, that does not sound attractive.
Jun 27 19:38:27 <saapas> what on earth are you doing :)
Jun 27 19:39:26 <saapas> pressure679, so the emulator isn't even launched?
Jun 27 19:39:51 <pressure679> saapas: My goal is to make an android port of a c code
Jun 27 19:40:26 <saapas> why not use ndk then? (:
Jun 27 19:41:12 <Mavrik> huh
Jun 27 19:41:28 <Mavrik> I doubt you'll just get a cap interface on the Android network devices :)
Jun 27 19:41:31 <pressure679> Long story, a java port independent on HW is easier than the C code.
Jun 27 19:41:36 <kuldeepdhaka> pressure679, what does the c code do?
Jun 27 19:41:37 <pressure679> saapas :)
Jun 27 19:42:28 <Mavrik> anyway
Jun 27 19:42:39 <Mavrik> pressure679, to answer your question, yes InetAddress is available on Android since API 1
Jun 27 19:43:07 <saapas> so perhaps that's not the issue.
Jun 27 19:45:02 <adq> pressure679, you will also need privilege (aka root) to sniff packets
Jun 27 19:45:57 <pressure679> kuldeepdhaka: in short the c code does the same as RfA app for android.
Jun 27 19:46:22 <pressure679> adq: I know, I bought a used phone for my walkman music enthusiasm.
Jun 27 19:46:59 <pressure679> I love android porting, thanks for your answers.
Jun 27 19:47:04 <adq> :)
Jun 27 19:54:04 <zzxx> Would it be accurate to say that AndroidJUnit4 is the JUnit4-based equlivalent of AndroidTestCase (which is JUnit3 based)?
Jun 27 20:05:07 <jab416171> how do I make my app show up in the android file picker?
Jun 27 20:05:21 <jab416171> when you say "Insert image" or whatever, and then you can pick like dropbox and stuff from the left drawer
Jun 27 20:06:05 <zzxx> You have to create a content provider for the correct content type
Jun 27 20:06:25 <zzxx> jab416171: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/content-providers.html
Jun 27 20:06:45 <jab416171> thanks zzxx
Jun 27 20:06:49 <zzxx> no prob
Jun 27 20:09:57 <bolovanos> saapas is gone
Jun 27 20:10:17 <bolovanos>  any other view hierarchy guru? - need to regresh view
Jun 27 20:10:27 <bolovanos> and cannot fiend buttons he mentioned
Jun 27 20:10:36 <bolovanos> I see this http://snag.gy/ZLXhs.jpg
Jun 27 20:10:54 <pfn> zzxx, no, it's just the test runner
Jun 27 20:11:06 <pfn> zzxx, and I've found the annotation unnecessary
Jun 27 20:11:27 <zzxx> Is that the only difference between junit 3 and 4?
Jun 27 20:12:01 <pfn> huh?
Jun 27 20:12:11 <zzxx> nevermind on that one
Jun 27 20:12:25 <pfn> junit 4 tests are written in a completely different style
Jun 27 20:12:29 <zzxx> what is the JUnit4 equivalent of AndroidTestCase?
Jun 27 20:12:32 <pfn> syntactically
Jun 27 20:12:39 <pfn> zzxx, no inheritance
Jun 27 20:12:42 <zzxx> yes, that is why I would prefer to use it :)
Jun 27 20:13:22 <pfn> zzxx, https://github.com/pfn/android-sdk-plugin/blob/master/sbt-test/android-sdk-plugin/android-test-kit/src/androidTest/java/com/example/test/MainActivities.java
Jun 27 20:13:44 <zzxx> Ah right
Jun 27 20:13:56 <zzxx> it all makes sense.
Jun 27 20:13:58 <zzxx> thanks
Jun 27 20:19:33 <pressure679> The non-android part of the code (line 13-16 + 19-25 + 28-48) runs fine in a terminal, but the code will not run on an Eclipse Android Virtual Device (hello world from http://www.mkyong.com/android/android-hello-world-example/ runs fine) - the code is here - https://gist.github.com/pressure679/92caf928638bc9684564
Jun 27 20:22:40 <saapas> pressure679, mm are you sure it's ok to call super.onCreate afteer all that?
Jun 27 20:23:14 <saapas> should it not be called the first thing when entering to onCreate()
Jun 27 20:23:56 <pressure679> I bow down to your knowledge of inheritance saapas.
Jun 27 20:24:52 <saapas> oh please don't
Jun 27 20:28:57 <saapas> I'm asking seriously :) that's what I always do because I've received the Exception so many times that my app fails due to not calling it immediately or doing something less important first.
Jun 27 20:58:09 <drose379> guys when I add a fragment to a container, what should I refer to it by later, if I never set the ID
Jun 27 20:58:24 <drose379> It wouldnt be the ID of the container, would it/
Jun 27 20:59:09 <drose379> Oh, I see you can use Tags for this
Jun 27 21:03:38 <lemg_mx> tags are a good option.
Jun 27 21:04:58 <drose379> Yeah, testing that out now
Jun 27 21:05:05 <drose379> For some reason I think ive had issue with them in the past
Jun 27 21:05:13 <drose379> Seem to work fine
Jun 27 21:09:00 <drose379> Having issues with the setCustomAnimations tho
Jun 27 21:10:43 <dcope> is using the device monitor the best way to find leaks?
Jun 27 21:16:56 <adq> dcope, not the best but one of them, combining different ways tends to the best way. search for "android performance matters", you will find some posts, papers, slide, videos, etc showing you available tools and how to track allocation, recently leakcanary has been released too, etc
Jun 27 21:17:30 <dcope> awesome, thank you.
Jun 27 21:17:47 <adq> and know what kind of things should not be held (as an activity context) in memory
Jun 27 21:18:45 <adq> it's a large topic, the key is to measure, not to apply some random recipe telling you this is good or this is bad because it often depends on what your app is doing
Jun 27 21:19:14 <adq> i'm still seeing ppl trolling on enum vs primitive as a (bad) example :)
Jun 27 21:21:51 <Binero> Is there a way to set a View's XML attributes in the Java code? (preferably while constructing it)
Jun 27 21:22:55 <dcope> leakcanary looks interesting.
Jun 27 21:22:58 <dcope> im going to try this.
Jun 27 21:23:03 <Binero> I've taken a look at AttributeSet, but that seems to not have a constructor
Jun 27 21:23:24 <saapas> Binero, you can set a View's properties in Java, but using Java to change the xml file contents .. that's not the way even if it's possible
Jun 27 21:24:04 <Binero> saapas I never meant to change the xml file contents. :p
Jun 27 21:24:06 <saapas> Binero, look for a setter for any attribute you wish to set
Jun 27 21:24:11 <Binero> saapas I meant while constructing the view inside Java
Jun 27 21:24:18 <saapas> Binero, ok. just making sure
Jun 27 21:26:17 <Binero> a View object doesn't have a height and height attribute? https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html
Jun 27 21:27:30 <saapas> Binero, I don't know and don't care really, I don't think no one instantiates View but some more specific ones like TextView
Jun 27 21:27:53 <saapas> I don't even know what a View looks like :)
Jun 27 21:27:53 <Binero> saapas Well if I go to CardView, which is what I'm creating, according to the docs that has no width or height either
Jun 27 21:28:14 <Binero> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/CardView.html
Jun 27 21:28:48 <saapas> ah you're looking for setting width and height with a setter? for those you have to set LayoutParams
Jun 27 21:28:55 <Binero> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry
Jun 27 21:29:07 <Binero> I was searching for android:height, but obv it's android:layout_height
Jun 27 21:29:14 <saapas> :P
Jun 27 21:29:41 <dcope> hm nothing from leakcanary yet
Jun 27 21:30:48 <Binero> oh it claims to not have layout_width as an attribute either even though it uses it in the example
Jun 27 21:32:42 <Binero> I see, the height is set with the addView method
Jun 27 21:32:54 <saapas> seriously?? :D
Jun 27 21:33:06 <Binero> Is there a way to set wrap_contents or match_parent in Java?
Jun 27 21:33:14 <saapas> that's usually for adding a child view inside a parent
Jun 27 21:33:22 <saapas> Binero, LayoutParams.
Jun 27 21:33:38 <Binero> saapas thanks!
Jun 27 21:35:22 <Binero> uhh
Jun 27 21:35:29 <Binero> attributeset has no constructor
Jun 27 21:37:25 <Binero> and that's needed to call generateLayoutParams(
Jun 27 21:40:36 <g00s> CedricBeust its funny, on /r/androiddev, some discussion of AS vs eclipse - the pro AS guys are often "well, this feature is like that!" but its not at all, they dont even know what they were missing
Jun 27 21:44:30 <ashwink005> how can one display the loading sign on a fragment?
Jun 27 21:45:08 <ashwink005> so that its displayed while the fragment loads data
Jun 27 21:45:11 <ashwink005> any idea?
Jun 27 21:46:39 <jvrodrigues> Binero its possible to manipulate views as if it was xml, you can't write your own xml and parse it, because xml parsing is done upon compiling and not on runtime
Jun 27 21:46:57 <Binero> jvrodrigues Any documentation on that?
Jun 27 21:47:02 <jvrodrigues> ashwink005, create a loading view then set the visibility to gone?
Jun 27 21:47:12 <jvrodrigues> Binero, on what exactly? Manipulating views?
Jun 27 21:47:34 <ashwink005> jvrodrigues: on the container View of the fragment?
Jun 27 21:47:54 <jvrodrigues> ashwink005, no, the fragment view itself
Jun 27 21:47:59 <Binero> jvrodrigues parsing xml and applying it to a view
Jun 27 21:48:41 <jvrodrigues> Binero, thats not possible, as I said, its done at compile time, not at runtime
Jun 27 21:49:11 <jvrodrigues> you would have to write your xml reader that translates the information into view manipulation
Jun 27 21:49:12 <ashwink005> umm.. by the way whats a loading View? anything specific?
Jun 27 21:49:29 <jvrodrigues> ashwink005, usually a ProgressBar of sorts
Jun 27 21:49:37 <jvrodrigues> but can be anything
Jun 27 21:49:42 <jvrodrigues> can just be a text saying Loading...
Jun 27 21:50:15 <ashwink005> okok
Jun 27 21:50:41 <ashwink005> doesn't a fragment have one by default thats styled according to the app theme?
Jun 27 21:50:46 <Binero> well
Jun 27 21:51:04 <Binero> I'd just hard-set the width, but it depends on the contents of the activity
Jun 27 21:51:15 <Binero> so I cannot get it in the onCreate
Jun 27 21:53:27 <Binero> Is there perhaps a listener for when an activity gets created *after* it has been filled witht he XML?
Jun 27 21:53:30 <Binero> *with
Jun 27 21:54:30 <icedp> right after setContentView call
Jun 27 21:56:29 <Binero> icedp that's what I have now, but it still says the width of my ViewGroup is 0
Jun 27 21:56:39 <Binero> icedp while it is set to match_parent
Jun 27 21:56:54 <icedp> that's another question
Jun 27 21:57:01 <Binero> icedp oh?
Jun 27 21:57:40 <icedp> what do you want to do?
Jun 27 21:58:27 <Binero> icedp I want to add a View to my ViewGroup that has the same width as my ViewGroup
Jun 27 21:59:07 <Binero> ehh even if I don't set the ViewGroup's width to match_parent, it still says 0
Jun 27 21:59:19 <Binero> yet it isn't 0, I can see it's not 0
Jun 27 22:06:31 <gi> halo
Jun 27 22:07:01 <gi> there is anyone awake?
Jun 27 22:07:27 <gi> there is anyone awake?
Jun 27 22:07:32 <TacticalJoke> No.
Jun 27 22:07:48 <icedp> I second that
Jun 27 22:07:52 <gi> TacticalJoke:
Jun 27 22:07:58 <gi> icedp:
Jun 27 22:08:04 <TacticalJoke> Dude, just ask the question.
Jun 27 22:08:25 <gi> ok, do u know how debug android kernel on a real device?
Jun 27 22:08:27 <TacticalJoke> I hereby refuse all legal obligation to answer gi's question.
Jun 27 22:09:04 <TacticalJoke> I don't know.
Jun 27 22:09:07 <gi> wow you are a lawyer?
Jun 27 22:09:24 <gi> ok dude god bless u
Jun 27 22:11:11 <icedp> I can neither confirm or deny that gi will be able to get a better answer on #android-root
Jun 27 22:11:37 <pressure679> Finally my java code compiles for (the right) android!
Jun 27 22:11:59 <gi> icedp:  sorry, i don't understand, do u suggest me to go in android-root?
Jun 27 22:13:03 <icedp> gi: worth a try, they should know better of ROMs and stuff
Jun 27 22:13:15 <Binero> oh
Jun 27 22:13:27 <Binero> is there a way I can listen onSizeChanged for a View?
Jun 27 22:13:39 <gi> i'm there, i'll try.
Jun 27 22:33:51 <Mavrik> Binero, if you need the laid out view size, you need to check it after it has been laid out
Jun 27 22:34:09 <Binero> Mavrik That's why I wanted to listen for onSizeChanged
Jun 27 22:34:11 <Mavrik> so, view.getViewTreeObserver().registerOnGlobalLayoutListener( ... )
Jun 27 22:34:24 <Binero> but I figured how to create a LayoutParams
Jun 27 22:34:31 <Binero> So all is good now :)
Jun 27 22:34:40 <Mavrik> (don't forget to call unregisterOnGlobalLayoutListener(this) from inside the method)
Jun 27 22:34:52 <gi> javashit
Jun 27 22:36:10 <Binero> Doesn't a ScrollView adapt its size after stuff has been added to it
Jun 27 22:36:51 <Binero> I set its height to match_content
Jun 27 22:37:25 <Binero> *wrap_content
Jun 27 22:37:44 <tx> hoh so
Jun 27 22:37:58 <tx> when i go to clear my gridview (and go to another set of data)
Jun 27 22:38:05 <tx> the cells that are still animating won't go away
Jun 27 22:38:20 <tx> this is annoying because they are set to animate forever.
Jun 27 22:45:49 <hert> hey guys is there a way to open the camera direclty with the back one using intent?
Jun 27 22:49:45 <ashwink005> what are the differences between Volley's NetworkImageView and facebooks fresco's Drawee?
Jun 27 22:51:25 <lemg_mx> fresco supports gifs !
Jun 27 22:52:00 <Mavrik> bloat.
Jun 27 22:55:14 <Binero> is there a way to inspect an app's layout during Runtime?
Jun 27 22:59:09 <ashwink005> lemg_mx: thats it?
Jun 27 22:59:26 <lemg_mx> haha there are a lot more I guess
Jun 27 22:59:40 <lemg_mx> bloat as Mavrik said
Jun 27 23:00:06 <ashwink005> whats bloat? android noob here.. :(
Jun 27 23:01:40 <Binero> ashwink005 Pretty much useless features that only increase code size
Jun 27 23:02:02 <g00s> bloat happens to almost everything ;)
Jun 27 23:02:30 <ashwink005> can anyone tell me what is that?
Jun 27 23:02:39 <ashwink005> a brief 2 liner
Jun 27 23:03:11 <ashwink005> all google is telling me is how to remove bloatware
Jun 27 23:03:16 <Binero> ashwink005 I just did
Jun 27 23:03:20 <g00s> ashwink005 "Bloat happens when a dog’s stomach fills with gas, food, or fluid, making it expand. The stomach puts pressure on other organs. It can cause dangerous problems"
Jun 27 23:03:38 <Binero> it's useless stuff that increases code size and makes it harder to maintain
Jun 27 23:03:43 <g00s> s/dog/app
Jun 27 23:03:43 <adq> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bloat
Jun 27 23:03:48 <ashwink005> oooh you mean the usual bloat
Jun 27 23:03:52 <Binero> e.g. unnecessary gif support
Jun 27 23:03:52 <ashwink005> hahaha
Jun 27 23:03:57 <ashwink005> got it
Jun 27 23:04:03 <adq> if you want to survive in the jungle of perverted semantic, ub is your friend
Jun 27 23:04:28 <ashwink005> in terms of memory management NetworkImageView is also good right?
Jun 27 23:04:46 <g00s> adq sounds like a movie 'jungle of the perverted'
Jun 27 23:04:50 <ashwink005> we can specify the imageCache size etc.. nothing special with fresco
Jun 27 23:05:03 <ashwink005> rather than the ashmem bla bla
Jun 27 23:05:21 <adq> not in imdb g00s :p
Jun 27 23:16:57 <gdrc> pfn there?
Jun 27 23:22:52 <pifon> yes
Jun 27 23:26:45 <hert> is there a way to open back camera with intent?
Jun 27 23:27:30 <lemg_mx> hert, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28741989/open-back-camera-on-android-using-intents
Jun 27 23:30:12 <Binero> Is there a way to fire an event inside an activity at a certain time?
Jun 27 23:30:19 <Binero> say I need my activity to update every second
Jun 27 23:31:02 <Dule123> does this help? http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/Timer.html
Jun 27 23:31:13 <Binero> I don't want to block my app
Jun 27 23:32:01 <Dule123> timer in another thread?
Jun 27 23:32:20 <Binero> Well I need to have my class available
Jun 27 23:32:26 <Binero> don't want any race conditions
Jun 27 23:34:16 <TacticalJoke> Handler.postDelayed is a simple solution.  Not sure whether it's the best.
Jun 27 23:34:28 <TacticalJoke> Another solution is to use ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.
Jun 27 23:35:43 <TacticalJoke> What exactly do you need to do?
Jun 27 23:37:21 <lemg_mx> I have seen some clock apps use Handler.postDelayed to update the display each second
Jun 27 23:38:03 <patrick91> hi everyone, I was wondering if I can add a floating view about a custom keyboard I'm doing
Jun 27 23:41:31 <zzxx> Yo, what does this even mean? i have no idea what this is; http://i.imgur.com/WD7CGqp.png
Jun 27 23:41:55 <zzxx> also no idea what the intention action description is
Jun 27 23:43:36 <g00s> zzxx wow those fonts look like crap
Jun 27 23:43:49 <zzxx> haha they work for mw
Jun 27 23:43:51 <zzxx> me
Jun 27 23:46:32 <pfn> gdrc, kind of
Jun 27 23:47:55 <pfn> zzxx, don't add a method contract...
Jun 27 23:49:33 <zzxx> pfn: noted. Yeah, im not distracting myself with it. just thought I'd ask when I came across it though as ive never seen it before
Jun 27 23:52:22 <TacticalJoke> Some of the replies in that "Google ending support for Eclipse" thread on /r/androiddev are painful to read.
Jun 27 23:52:44 <TacticalJoke> "Make project automatically" gives us Eclipse-like incremental compiling?  O rly?
Jun 27 23:53:31 <TacticalJoke> He and the 10 upvoters should probably try that.
Jun 27 23:53:39 <pfn> zzxx, it just means to define what the method does
Jun 27 23:54:50 <zzxx> TacticalJoke: haha, yeah I read that too. :/
Jun 27 23:54:57 <TacticalJoke> And to claim that Analyze > Inspect Code gives us something comparable to Eclipse's Problems view is being really silly.
Jun 27 23:55:10 <Binero> TacticalJoke Do I need to manually start the Handler or something? I sheduled a task but it's not being run...
Jun 27 23:55:18 <TacticalJoke> I prefer Android Studio, but Eclipse destroys it in certain areas.
Jun 27 23:55:22 <zzxx> pfn: odd. Why would I redefine what it does?
Jun 27 23:55:32 <pfn> not redefine
Jun 27 23:55:36 <TacticalJoke> Binero:  You can call View.postDelayed if you like.
Jun 27 23:55:38 <pfn> state a contract
Jun 27 23:55:40 <TacticalJoke> That calls Handler.postDelayed for you.
Jun 27 23:55:46 <TacticalJoke> e.g., you could call it on a TextView.
Jun 27 23:55:50 <Binero> oh right
Jun 27 23:56:19 <TacticalJoke> Otherwise you can just instantiate a Handler on the main thread (or attach it to the main thread with a constructor parameter) and use that.
Jun 27 23:56:39 <zzxx> pfn, like restrict its return values? it already has a function definition in Assert.
Jun 27 23:56:52 <nine_9> hey guys, how can i change the interface of the emulator system to 'tablet'? it doesn't matter how i setup it, i always get a 'smartphone' interface
Jun 27 23:57:36 <ashwink005> how can I stop the flickering of networkImageView when the data is being loaded into it?
Jun 27 23:57:48 <pfn> zzxx, the idea is to tell the ide what it does so that it can give you warnings and suggestions
Jun 27 23:58:25 <zzxx> pfn: ah ok. Thanks for the explination.
Jun 28 00:00:35 <lemg_mx> ashwink005, why don't you use another library, like picasso or glide ?
Jun 28 00:00:38 <lemg_mx> to load images.
Jun 28 00:01:21 <ashwink005> I'm already using Volley for my network calls. Can I use volley's imageloader with picasso?
Jun 28 00:01:40 <ashwink005> networkImageView would simplify the entire project... imo
Jun 28 00:02:52 <TacticalJoke> Why is it flickering?
Jun 28 00:03:18 <TacticalJoke> I haven't used Volley, but I can't imagine flickering being normal.
Jun 28 00:04:22 <ashwink005> The networkImageView is inside a recyclerView. Whenever data is loading (notifydatasetchanged) it flickers
Jun 28 00:04:56 <ashwink005> so on launching the app the images flicker for like half a second..1-2 times
Jun 28 00:05:37 <ashwink005> the images they are trying to get are not exactly available, so the placeholders flicker.
Jun 28 00:07:46 <shmooz> ashwink005: you can cache them for after the first time load, and I heard that the glide lib displays images going from low res to higher res as it loads
Jun 28 00:07:47 <nine_9> even if i select a tablet device, i end up with the standard interface
Jun 28 00:09:18 <ashwink005> the cache-ing is handled by volley itself inside its imageLoader
Jun 28 00:09:31 <ashwink005> still they are flickering
Jun 28 00:09:57 <ashwink005> shmooz: I'll try glide though... sounds cool
Jun 28 00:16:20 <Binero> getting upset by the lack of points :(
Jun 28 00:17:46 <TacticalJoke> Points?
Jun 28 00:18:56 <Binero> *pointers
Jun 28 00:19:52 <shmooz> here's a pointer, forget pointers
Jun 28 00:21:48 <Dule123> here are some: 0x3A28213A 0x6339392C, 0x7363682E.
Jun 28 00:22:06 <TacticalJoke> Binero:  Why do you want pointers?
Jun 28 00:22:14 <Binero> They are useful
Jun 28 00:22:25 <TacticalJoke> I guess Java has pointers, but not C-like pointers (e.g., we can't do pointer arithmetic).
Jun 28 00:22:26 <TacticalJoke> For what?
Jun 28 00:22:34 <Binero> yeah every object is a reference
Jun 28 00:22:45 <Binero> so I can get a pointer to an array to a function
Jun 28 00:22:54 <Binero> so that function can swap the array out if needed
Jun 28 00:22:57 <Binero> for a different one
Jun 28 00:25:11 <shmooz> Binero: just use an ArrayList
Jun 28 00:25:32 <Binero> shmooz The fact that there's a workaround doesn't mean that I don't miss pointers
Jun 28 00:25:48 <Binero> shmooz I also hate the fact that stuff can be null, but ofc the workaround is to check it being null.
Jun 28 00:25:55 <shmooz> Binero: maybe you can still use them if you do NDK
Jun 28 00:25:57 <Binero> doesn't mean I don't prefer to not have to check for null
Jun 28 00:26:15 <Binero> ndk is pretty horrible
Jun 28 00:27:14 <shmooz> Binero: they are not really workarounds, that is the way
Jun 28 00:27:27 <Binero> shmooz Because the "default" doesn't work...
Jun 28 00:27:48 <Binero> shmooz It's a workaround over the fact that Java doesn't have pointers
Jun 28 00:28:00 <shmooz> things return null when they should be returning null
Jun 28 00:28:11 <TacticalJoke> As far as I can tell, your point (:D) is that Java doesn't have function pointers.  Is that right?
Jun 28 00:28:17 <lemg_mx> what if pointers were a workaround because C does not have ArrayList ?
Jun 28 00:28:19 <lemg_mx> whoa
Jun 28 00:28:30 <TacticalJoke> As well as the nullity thing.
Jun 28 00:28:37 <Binero> lemg_mx Except it does
Jun 28 00:28:56 <Binero> TacticalJoke I hate how Java doesn't have C-style pointers but only references
Jun 28 00:29:14 <Binero> And on a more acceptable degree because languages like C also allow this, I hate how Java allows nullpointers
Jun 28 00:29:14 <TacticalJoke> Or "nullability".
Jun 28 00:29:54 <Binero> It's like they decided to rip out the best parts of pointers, and only keep the horrible stuff
Jun 28 00:31:24 <pfn> yeah rifht
Jun 28 00:32:26 <pfn> references are far superior to pointers
Jun 28 00:33:46 <pfn> no one in their right mind misses pointers, unless working with dma
Jun 28 00:38:02 <TacticalJoke> Binero:  I got disconnected.  Did you see my message about Kotlin?
Jun 28 00:38:11 <Binero> TacticalJoke No
Jun 28 00:38:26 <TacticalJoke> Kotlin has null safety (<http://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/null-safety.html>) and function references (<http://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/reflection.html#function-references>).  I think these two respond to your complaints (though I'm not sure of the performance details of function references -- I guess they instantiate something).
Jun 28 00:38:35 <Binero> pfn How are they superior? You cannot get a pointer to them and they can still be null. The worse of both world.
Jun 28 00:39:01 <Binero> TacticalJoke Another workaround...
Jun 28 00:39:39 <pfn> static typing
Jun 28 00:40:05 <Binero> pfn Why wouldn't pointers have static typing?
Jun 28 00:40:09 <shmooz> Binero: I guess you are jumping straight from C to Android and java ?
Jun 28 00:40:15 <Binero> shmooz Rust.
Jun 28 00:40:53 <Binero> although I do have a C++ background yeah
Jun 28 00:41:16 <shmooz> Rust Shmust!
Jun 28 00:41:26 <Binero> ?
Jun 28 00:41:38 <TacticalJoke> Binero:  How comes you dismissed what I posted instantly with "another workaround"?  You didn't have time to even click those links.
Jun 28 00:41:52 <Binero> I did click on them
Jun 28 00:42:09 <pfn> uh...
Jun 28 00:42:13 <Binero> didn't read much though
Jun 28 00:42:20 <pfn> you can't have type safety and pointers
Jun 28 00:42:23 <pfn> it doesn't work
Jun 28 00:42:27 <Binero> pfn Yes it does?
Jun 28 00:42:30 <Binero> Why wouldn't it?
Jun 28 00:42:48 <pfn> what is the type of Something++
Jun 28 00:42:54 <Binero> int* a = &5;
Jun 28 00:42:59 <Binero> a has type &int
Jun 28 00:43:01 <g00s> pointers can be type safe, maybe void* isn't
Jun 28 00:43:09 <Binero> void* is a pointer to nothing
Jun 28 00:43:12 <pfn> pointers can't be type safe
Jun 28 00:43:17 <Binero> pfn Have you ever used pointers?
Jun 28 00:43:41 <pfn> *Something++ is not a Something, end of story
Jun 28 00:43:50 <g00s> pfn sure they can ... a c++ compiler will not let you stuff the address of a Foo in a Bar*
Jun 28 00:44:05 <Binero> oh I see what that means
Jun 28 00:44:16 <Binero> pfn Who said Something++ is allowed
Jun 28 00:44:24 <Binero> In Rust you can't add or remove pointers
Jun 28 00:44:33 <Binero> subtract*
Jun 28 00:45:05 <Binero> in C you can though but at own risk I suppose
Jun 28 00:46:17 <g00s> Binero so anyhow ... what has you stuck ?
Jun 28 00:46:30 <Binero> g00ey atm nothing, just wrote some extra lines to work around it
Jun 28 00:46:56 <TacticalJoke> To work around what?
Jun 28 00:47:00 <Binero> the lack of pointers
Jun 28 00:48:01 <TacticalJoke> Give a specific problem.  Java has various weaknesses, but I've not seen a concrete issue in anything you've said so far (though I was disconnected through some of it).
Jun 28 00:49:12 <TacticalJoke> If you're new to Java, there's a reasonable chance that what you think is a problem really isn't (and you're simply Doing It Wrong).  Though, given that Java is far from perfect, you might have hit upon a real weakness.
Jun 28 00:52:09 <Binero> I wanted to pass an array to a function
Jun 28 00:52:21 <Binero> and that function be able to replace said array
Jun 28 00:52:49 <lemg_mx> replace with what ? another array ?
Jun 28 00:52:57 <lemg_mx> you can create a function and pass the two arrays
Jun 28 00:52:59 <Binero> exactly
Jun 28 00:52:59 <lemg_mx> and swap them.
Jun 28 00:53:12 <Binero> well I couldn't replace one by the other
Jun 28 00:53:14 <Binero> as it's merely a reference
Jun 28 00:53:21 <Binero> and the reference gets passed by-value
Jun 28 00:54:23 <Binero> anyway, when I do setTextAppearance, it takes a resource ID
Jun 28 00:54:27 <Binero> and a Context
Jun 28 00:54:38 <Binero> what does it use the Context for, and what resourceID does it expect?
Jun 28 00:54:59 <Binero> (on a TextView)
Jun 28 00:55:32 <george3> Hi i hit a brick wall in my android project and I would appreciate if someone helped me
Jun 28 01:01:55 <Binero> george3 what's the question?
Jun 28 01:02:40 <TacticalJoke> Binero:  Yeah, Java is pass-by-value only.  This choice was made for simplicity: in Java, you know that variables passed to methods will never change value.
Jun 28 01:02:41 <george3> have you worked with usb in android
Jun 28 01:02:52 <TacticalJoke> Binero:  Why not simply return the new array from the method?
Jun 28 01:02:56 <Binero> TacticalJoke They can.
Jun 28 01:03:07 <TacticalJoke> No, they never will.  It's always pass-by-value.
Jun 28 01:03:10 <Binero> TacticalJoke They can change value but not location.
Jun 28 01:03:20 <Binero> That's how passing-by-value of references work
Jun 28 01:03:22 <TacticalJoke> If they're reference types, the objects they refer to can be mutated.  But those aren't the variables themselves.
Jun 28 01:03:22 <Binero> *works
Jun 28 01:03:47 <Binero> depends on what you consider the variable I suppose
Jun 28 01:04:16 <george3> has anyone worked with dealing with data transfer via usb in android
Jun 28 01:04:55 <Binero> No, but I soon will
Jun 28 01:05:42 <george3> i need to ask someone who has worked with them
Jun 28 01:06:43 <george3> is this the only place i can ask
Jun 28 01:07:41 <Binero> george3 https://stackoverflow.com
Jun 28 01:09:10 <george3> i read multiple posts and posted the question myself but got no reply and i'm getting impatiant
Jun 28 01:11:24 <TacticalJoke> Binero:  I don't think that's an accurate summary.  Java is designed to support pass-by-value only.  That means that in the call `doSomething(foo);`, `doSomething` cannot change the variable `foo`.
Jun 28 01:11:50 <Binero> TacticalJoke Yeah, but that just depends if you only consider the reference the variable, or also what it references
Jun 28 01:13:31 <TacticalJoke> References and objects are separate.  If someone conflates the two, they're making an error.
Jun 28 01:14:03 <Binero> TacticalJoke Never said they weren't
Jun 28 01:14:09 <Binero> I just consider the object part of the variable
Jun 28 01:14:26 <Binero> But that might just be because I come from a rust background where they can tightly bound together
Jun 28 01:15:30 <Binero> s/can/are
Jun 28 01:15:54 <Binero> hmm 3AM, I should go get some sleep
Jun 28 01:15:59 <Binero> thanks for the help all!
Jun 28 01:16:02 <Binero> Lovely community
Jun 28 01:20:14 <george3> tactical have u worked with data transfer via usb in android
Jun 28 01:20:22 <TacticalJoke> Nah, never.
Jun 28 01:20:33 <george3> oh
Jun 28 01:21:18 <TacticalJoke> It's best to just ask the question.  People who know the answer can respond.
Jun 28 01:21:36 <pfn> pointers without the arithmetic is useless
Jun 28 01:21:45 <george3> it's my first time here don't any staff members with good experience in android show up
Jun 28 01:22:44 <TacticalJoke> That attitude will prevent you from getting an answer.
Jun 28 01:23:09 <george3> why
Jun 28 01:23:15 <pfn> as for changing values in an array, duh? arrays are mutable
Jun 28 01:27:47 <pfn> and lel, considering the newness of rust, saying that one comes from a rust background basically means no programming background
Jun 28 01:33:18 <george3> can someone help me please
Jun 28 01:47:41 <g00s> staff members lol
Jun 28 02:04:48 <surf2b1> george3: what's the question?
Jun 28 02:14:01 <shmooz> thanks to my sphagetti skills, my MainActivity is 6333 lines long ;)
Jun 28 02:15:12 <surf2b1> I have an Activity which extends AppCompatActivity and it contains three tabs that are all PreferenceFragments. The preferences are not styled/tinted. How can I get appcompat to style the PreferenceFragments?
Jun 28 02:15:32 <g00s> AntiPattern Name: Spaghetti Code
Jun 28 02:15:39 <g00s> Root Causes: Ignorance, Sloth
Jun 28 02:16:03 <g00s> https://sourcemaking.com/antipatterns/spaghetti-code :D
Jun 28 02:16:47 <shmooz> AntiPatter ShmantiPattern!
Jun 28 02:17:00 <shmooz> it works
Jun 28 02:17:23 <donniezazen> What does sw in sw600dp stands for?
Jun 28 02:17:24 <g00s> holy crap shmooz wth does that activity do
Jun 28 02:18:01 <shmooz> scans and plays local video audio and also shoutcast audio and some youtube videos
Jun 28 02:19:01 <george3> has anyone tried data transfer via usb in android
Jun 28 02:19:03 <shmooz> I just have to add a few more functions, I'm aiming for 10000 lines of code
Jun 28 02:19:43 <surf2b1> donniezazen: "smallest width", I *think*
Jun 28 02:20:19 <donniezazen> surf2b1: good to know. thanks.
Jun 28 02:20:19 <surf2b1> shmooz: that's insane
Jun 28 02:22:15 <surf2b1> what's the largest class in Android. I wonder if any are over 10k lines. If so, 80% is probably javadoc.
Jun 28 02:23:36 <shmooz> and there are no comments, all the comments are commented out code which I tried and works but either I found a better way or didn't want that feature
Jun 28 02:24:19 <george3> shooz have u worked with data transfer via usb to pc in android
Jun 28 02:24:58 <shmooz> george3: no I haven't
Jun 28 02:25:00 <shmooz> george3: by I do plan to sometime
Jun 28 02:25:30 <kr4sh> my app says it has no constructor, can anyone tell me how to define a constructor?
Jun 28 02:25:50 <shmooz> like for playing media off of pc's and external hard drives as a source
Jun 28 02:25:54 <surf2b1> Intent is 7k https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/java/android/content/Intent.java
Jun 28 02:27:18 <surf2b1> george3: I have, what's up?
Jun 28 02:28:44 <george3> u have worked with usb host and accessory
Jun 28 02:29:07 <shmooz> that's one of the features I should add, also using wireless ways like bluetooth and 802.11 stuff to play media remotely
Jun 28 02:29:09 <surf2b1> sure
Jun 28 02:30:26 <george3> surf can u help me with the problem I have caus I hit a brick wall and dunno what to do
Jun 28 02:30:40 <surf2b1> what's the problem?
Jun 28 02:31:38 <shmooz> george3: you need to ask your question instead of asking people if they have experience to qualify
Jun 28 02:31:43 <george3> what i wanna do is transfer real time data from android to a c++ program on the pc directly via usb, but dunno how to do that
Jun 28 02:33:40 <shmooz> george3: what is the 'real time' required for ?
Jun 28 02:33:41 <george3> i'm sorry shmooz but i've been here for 3 hours asking the question with no answer so eventually I stopped
Jun 28 02:34:11 <george3> constant stream of data
Jun 28 02:34:13 <g00s> george3 from what i hear , usb on android is somewhat painful
Jun 28 02:34:22 <george3> integers mostly
Jun 28 02:35:00 <george3> I know i've been stuck trying to do this for more than a week
Jun 28 02:35:40 <george3> so surf what do u think
Jun 28 02:35:42 <surf2b1> george3: sorry bruh, but I lied to you. I was just getting annoyed with the constant question if anyone has experience with it :P
Jun 28 02:36:00 <pfn> george3, not possible
Jun 28 02:36:19 <george3> why
Jun 28 02:36:25 <shmooz> george3: how and how far have you implemented it ? and where are you stuck ?
Jun 28 02:36:34 <akk> If all else fails, you could Log.d the value and read it on the PC using adb logcat ...
Jun 28 02:36:34 <pfn> there's no protocol you can use over usb
Jun 28 02:37:26 <pfn> you can hack shit using adb, but that's about it
Jun 28 02:37:31 <surf2b1> george3: maybe this is just really stupid of me but can't you just use adb?
Jun 28 02:37:43 <george3> no
Jun 28 02:37:50 <george3> there are
Jun 28 02:38:18 <george3> the problem isn't the android but the c++ communicating with android
Jun 28 02:39:06 <pfn> the problem is android
Jun 28 02:39:36 <george3> the problem is I can send the data to a terminal on the pc but that is of no use to me cause i need to send it directly to a c++ program to use it
Jun 28 02:40:15 <g00s> george3 you are better off using wifi or ble if its a newer computer
Jun 28 02:41:10 <g00s> well, constant stream of data - maybe not ble, depends on how much bandwidth you need
Jun 28 02:41:23 <george3> its the same problem how do I send the information directly to the c++ program
Jun 28 02:42:20 <g00s> george3 c++ program uses platform apis to access bluetooth :|
Jun 28 02:42:33 <akk> Maybe google for "c++" usb library $your_os ?
Jun 28 02:42:48 <akk> There seem to be a fair number of them.
Jun 28 02:42:52 <g00s> george3 what kind of data is it ?
Jun 28 02:43:11 <g00s> A/V, sensor, etc ?
Jun 28 02:43:59 <george3> integer values
Jun 28 02:44:11 <g00s> i give up
Jun 28 02:44:38 <g00s> 'i need to get integer values to my c++ program' ... thats useless & vague
Jun 28 02:46:04 <george3> it's integer values of the coordinates of the finger touch location in terms of x and y
Jun 28 02:46:45 <g00s> george3 why can't you just open a socket to the app running on the pc ?
Jun 28 02:47:06 <george3> that requires wifi
Jun 28 02:52:46 <surf2b1> george3: can you get input/output streams and run "adb shell getevent"?
Jun 28 02:54:48 <g00s> pfn do you know if stetho communicates between phone / pc via adb ?
Jun 28 02:55:07 <george3> I don't know what that is but I can output to pc terminal
Jun 28 02:56:29 <ircfox> Hello folks!
Jun 28 02:57:04 <ircfox> Does anybody know is there is a way to split the screen on Android Studio?
Jun 28 02:57:23 <g00s> george3 you can look to see who stetho from Facebook does it
Jun 28 02:57:29 <g00s> https://hn.cxhristian.com/comments/9070656/
Jun 28 02:57:51 <g00s> looks like it does this over adb, so as other suggested above, maybe thats a route
Jun 28 02:58:11 <g00s> of course, adb has to be installed
Jun 28 02:58:30 <g00s> maybe thats a show stopper if this is for other users
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