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Nov 19 03:15:36 <pfn> yet people still love their javascript, python and Ruby, among other things
Nov 19 03:16:43 <pfn> but yeah, clojure suffers in that regard
Nov 19 03:32:42 <ron_frown> oi
Nov 19 04:28:47 <CedricBeust> grrr SourceTree has decided to stop showing me the index
Nov 19 04:31:26 <shipit> ppls! anyone here made a kessel run through google cloud storage?
Nov 19 04:44:52 <g00s_> hey ron_frown
Nov 19 04:45:37 <ron_frown> heeeeyo
Nov 19 04:45:47 <ron_frown> .net core rc1 released today
Nov 19 04:45:49 <ron_frown> boooya
Nov 19 04:46:24 <shipit> .not
Nov 19 04:46:25 <ron_frown> like 92% core code completed and all opensourced
Nov 19 04:46:37 <ron_frown> we'll see how java survives
Nov 19 04:47:28 <g00s_> ron_frown yeah and vs code coming along too
Nov 19 04:47:47 <ron_frown> dude... they havent even performance tuned it yet
Nov 19 04:48:02 <ron_frown> and its reall pretty impressive
Nov 19 04:48:40 <g00s_> ron_frown you keep saying visual studio is much better than android studio
Nov 19 04:48:51 <shipit> as a language java will do ok and the JVM will continue to grow with support of groovy, scala, kotlin etc -- as a framework, .Net and the solution architecting ...
Nov 19 04:48:51 <ron_frown> its better than anything
Nov 19 04:49:25 <g00s_> ron_frown https://adtmag.com/articles/2015/11/11/ide-comparison.aspx
Nov 19 04:49:39 <ron_frown> I've used all of them
Nov 19 04:49:45 <ron_frown> I think xcode is... not great
Nov 19 04:49:54 <ron_frown> I'd honestly choose android studio over xcode
Nov 19 04:49:59 <ron_frown> or jetbrains
Nov 19 04:50:12 <ron_frown> more of my problems with android dev are more to do with stuff liek gradle etc
Nov 19 04:50:43 <shipit> I like gradle, Ant/Maven was a headache worse than .Net
Nov 19 04:50:59 <ron_frown> gradle just seems like a solution to a problem that doesnt exist
Nov 19 04:51:06 <ron_frown> its the infomercial solution
Nov 19 04:51:15 <ron_frown> and its exactly what I'd expect java engineers to come up with
Nov 19 04:51:28 <ron_frown> enough hating on java
Nov 19 04:51:31 <ron_frown> I'm done =)
Nov 19 04:51:39 <barbs> seems fine to me
Nov 19 04:52:10 <TacticalJoke> Gradle is ridiculously slow.  There is no excuse for how slow it is.
Nov 19 04:52:14 <barbs> dependencies are way less of a headache on gradle
Nov 19 04:52:30 <shipit> true that barbs
Nov 19 04:52:33 <ron_frown> than what
Nov 19 04:52:36 <ron_frown> maven?
Nov 19 04:52:41 <barbs> yep
Nov 19 04:52:57 <shipit> TacticalJoke gradle performance has slipped so much!
Nov 19 04:52:57 <yawkat> Meh
Nov 19 04:53:07 <ron_frown> I tihnk gradle would drive me more wnating to kill someone if it werent for intellij
Nov 19 04:53:18 <yawkat> How are maven dependencies a pain?
Nov 19 04:53:35 <shipit> gradle was this neat, quick system but now it's on the soap/xml/wsdl path
Nov 19 04:53:37 * shipit shudders
Nov 19 04:54:04 <g00s_> shipit perhaps the destiny of all useful build systems ;)
Nov 19 04:54:05 <ron_frown> I have no doubt it can be made to perofrm
Nov 19 04:54:40 <barbs> well ok, it pretty much uses maven in the background, but then you'd have to have your whole android project set up with maven, and THAT's a pain
Nov 19 04:54:56 <ron_frown> it just reminds me an aweful lot of like oracle
Nov 19 04:55:04 <barbs> from memory it was mostly because IDEs have issues with it
Nov 19 04:55:11 <ron_frown> oracle can be made to peform, you just hire a huge team of dbas that can baby sit your sql etc
Nov 19 04:55:44 <yawkat> ron_frown: don't see how oracle and maven/gradle are related.
Nov 19 04:55:52 <ron_frown> java being made to perofm
Nov 19 04:56:01 <yawkat> Maven is fast.
Nov 19 04:56:06 <ron_frown> jetbrains clearly has the voodoo
Nov 19 04:56:40 <yawkat> Java isn't slow, just gradle is because of some reasons.
Nov 19 04:57:15 <TacticalJoke> I wonder whether they'll consider rewriting Gradle in Kotlin.
Nov 19 04:57:36 <g00s_> i've come to the conclusion java is just slow (yeah, languages can't be slow lala)
Nov 19 04:57:37 <TacticalJoke> You get the same nice builder syntax without (the probably slow) Gradle.
Nov 19 04:58:11 <ron_frown> all I know is I moved something from .net to java and the best I could find anyone to get it to perform was CONSIDERABLY slower than .net
Nov 19 04:58:19 <ron_frown> simple mvc app serving up paged data
Nov 19 04:58:20 <TacticalJoke> I wonder how AOT affects performance.
Nov 19 04:58:22 <CedricBeust> TacticalJoke: What's the point, kobalt is already there :)
Nov 19 04:58:29 <ron_frown> 10-20ms roundtrips
Nov 19 04:58:35 <ron_frown> java was like 300ms
Nov 19 04:58:40 <ron_frown> subsecond
Nov 19 04:58:48 <ron_frown> but considerably slower
Nov 19 04:58:55 <TacticalJoke> CedricBeust:  I haven't looked into Kobalt properly yet.  I hope it'll become viable for Android.
Nov 19 04:59:06 <ron_frown> whats kobalt
Nov 19 04:59:08 <CedricBeust> It already is
Nov 19 04:59:12 <TacticalJoke> ;O
Nov 19 04:59:17 <g00s_> CedricBeust does it import sbt files :P
Nov 19 04:59:19 <TacticalJoke> ;o *
Nov 19 04:59:20 <CedricBeust> ron_frown: http://beust.com/kobalt
Nov 19 04:59:32 <yawkat> ron_frown: on, like, first call? I have java web apps with stuff like jpa and even those get far below 300ms
Nov 19 04:59:36 <CedricBeust> TacticalJoke: http://beust.com/weblog/2015/11/04/the-kobalt-diaries-android/
Nov 19 04:59:56 <TacticalJoke> Oh, neat.
Nov 19 05:00:35 <ron_frown> I feel like it shoudl have been able to get better
Nov 19 05:01:09 <ron_frown> but I had a bunch of java engineers look at it and couldnt make it better
Nov 19 05:01:26 <ron_frown> I'll admit I can write java and mostly ok in android world
Nov 19 05:01:32 <ron_frown> not so great in non-android world
Nov 19 05:01:55 <yawkat> just pinged one of my web apps and got a consistent 15ms ping.
Nov 19 05:02:03 <ron_frown> what is that 15ms doing
Nov 19 05:02:13 <ron_frown> I'm talking select 1000 records, serialize to json,
Nov 19 05:02:18 <ron_frown> return
Nov 19 05:02:22 <ron_frown> based on shit you pass in
Nov 19 05:02:26 <yawkat> ya, it isnt doing that.
Nov 19 05:02:45 <g00s_> yawkat 's service is returning 500 :D
Nov 19 05:02:47 <ron_frown> I think the slowness could be blamed on app servers and mvc frameworks and stuff
Nov 19 05:03:03 <ron_frown> whatever is doing the data mapping
Nov 19 05:03:06 <ron_frown> could have been db driver
Nov 19 05:03:16 <g00s_> ron_frown FYI the thoughtworks tech radar for this month had app servers on hold
Nov 19 05:03:24 <ron_frown> what?
Nov 19 05:03:35 <g00s_> i guess something else is replacing them for the cool cats
Nov 19 05:03:42 <ron_frown> oh yeah
Nov 19 05:03:46 <ron_frown> thats true
Nov 19 05:04:04 <yawkat> heh, just pinged one of my data-heavier apps and it was at 209ms. but that server is in the states so thats unfair.
Nov 19 05:04:09 <g00s_> these days i read the tech radar and haven't heard of 90% of the stuff on there
Nov 19 05:04:21 <ron_frown> I mean a lot of times a simple self hosting webapp can just be stuck behind something like nginex
Nov 19 05:04:24 <ron_frown> nginx
Nov 19 05:04:31 <g00s_> yawkat states are 3rd world, except for Cali ;)
Nov 19 05:04:35 <ron_frown> like play framework I've had good experiences with
Nov 19 05:04:40 <ron_frown> but its gone away from java basically
Nov 19 05:05:11 <yawkat> ive heard that people go the rest+js route nowadays
Nov 19 05:05:33 <ron_frown> meaening node?
Nov 19 05:05:36 <yawkat> no
Nov 19 05:05:43 <yawkat> js frontend
Nov 19 05:05:49 <ron_frown> oh yeah
Nov 19 05:05:53 <ron_frown> tons of people do that
Nov 19 05:05:55 <yawkat> like angular and such
Nov 19 05:06:44 <g00s_> https://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/platforms
Nov 19 05:06:48 <g00s_> open up # 52
Nov 19 05:07:02 <weox> people are compiling telegram and selling it to ordinary non-educated people in big money , is it legal ? or if i report telegram will block their api_id
Nov 19 05:07:18 <g00s_> "Most teams we work with favor bundling an embedded http server within your web application. There are plenty of options available: Jetty, SimpleWeb, Webbit and Owin Self-Host amongst others. "
Nov 19 05:07:22 <g00s_> i never heard of Owin
Nov 19 05:07:30 <ron_frown> thats .net shite
Nov 19 05:07:50 <ron_frown> they basically overhauled .net a while back and built it out so its a middleware system
Nov 19 05:07:51 <yawkat> yea only heard of jetty as well.
Nov 19 05:08:03 <TacticalJoke> CedricBeust:  Would be kool if Kotlin and Kobalt took over on Android.
Nov 19 05:08:11 <ron_frown> so all modern asp.net stuff is owin
Nov 19 05:08:18 <TacticalJoke> Good language + fast builds.
Nov 19 05:08:51 <g00s_> TacticalJoke why did CedricBeust have to leave google?! whyyyyyyy !
Nov 19 05:09:00 <yawkat> why do people do the wrapper stuff? like gradlew and now kobaltw
Nov 19 05:09:18 <CedricBeust> g00s_: I'm more useful outside than inside :)
Nov 19 05:09:39 <g00s_> CedricBeust uh i spent all day wresting with the linkedIn website
Nov 19 05:09:43 <ron_frown> as much as I bitch about android and have wanted to contribute to google, I'd never want to work for them
Nov 19 05:09:54 <CedricBeust> ron_frown: You're missing out
Nov 19 05:10:00 <ron_frown> no I'm sure I'm not
Nov 19 05:10:11 <ron_frown> not a fan of huge corps
Nov 19 05:10:24 <ron_frown> my company is large compared to other companies I've worked for
Nov 19 05:10:32 <ron_frown> and its pushing it
Nov 19 05:10:54 <ron_frown> my wifes cousin works for them, and he gets to work on challenging shit
Nov 19 05:11:03 <ron_frown> I think that side of it would be great
Nov 19 05:11:05 <TacticalJoke> CedricBeust:  I hope they fix that space-identifiers-break-Android-builds thing before Kotlin 1.0, though.  That looks bad.  :s
Nov 19 05:11:15 <CedricBeust> So your rejection has more to do with the size of the company than Google itself? Ok I can see that
Nov 19 05:11:25 <ron_frown> yeah
Nov 19 05:11:26 <ron_frown> def
Nov 19 05:11:37 <ron_frown> I mean sometimes I get the impression they arent super focused or have a great direction
Nov 19 05:11:38 <g00s_> TacticalJoke i dont understand that ... how would spaces show up? you name your unit tests with them ?
Nov 19 05:11:42 <ron_frown> seems like android is just all over the plcae
Nov 19 05:11:43 <CedricBeust> Still, it's worth trying both throughout your career. You learn different things
Nov 19 05:12:10 <TacticalJoke> g00s_:  The JVM supports spaces in method names (and probably other identifiers).  I haven't tried IntelliJ's test runner to see how things look there, but I guess that handles them.
Nov 19 05:12:13 <ron_frown> lets focus on wear, lets focus on glass, lets focus on watch, lets focus on
Nov 19 05:12:19 <ron_frown> ooops nothing works fantastic
Nov 19 05:13:43 <TacticalJoke> I was surprised to learn that the JVM supports this stuff.  I had assumed that Kotlin was translating `this stuff` to `this_stuff` or something.
Nov 19 05:13:46 <Leeds> don't forget the new focus on tablets with the Pixel C
Nov 19 05:14:38 <CedricBeust> ron_frown: That's exactly part of the appeal. Once you're a google employee, the choice of projects are endless
Nov 19 05:14:58 <CedricBeust> You might end up working on self-driving cars or hot air balloons Internet, who knows?
Nov 19 05:15:22 <Leeds> assuming it ever gets released
Nov 19 05:16:15 <ron_frown> its also about what I pick up from the peeps that work there
Nov 19 05:16:18 <ron_frown> the whippersnappers
Nov 19 05:17:26 <t2mkn> Is puting a notification about pro version of the app, can be treated as Ad?
Nov 19 05:19:21 <g00s_> t2mkn that falls into the lame category
Nov 19 05:19:51 <g00s_> if you mean Android Notification
Nov 19 05:20:02 <TacticalJoke> So the Play store is now stating which apps show ads?
Nov 19 05:20:14 <TacticalJoke> I've long wanted that, as a user.
Nov 19 05:20:27 <ron_frown> i;d love it if they specifically called out apps that didnt hae in app purchases
Nov 19 05:20:40 <ron_frown> I dont care if they charge a bit more up front
Nov 19 05:20:41 <t2mkn> lol
Nov 19 05:20:44 <ron_frown> 9x out of ten
Nov 19 05:21:06 <ron_frown> HOW in app purchases are implemented makes me literally want to beat someone within an inch of their lives
Nov 19 05:22:28 <t2mkn> lot of apps will lose downloads per day, after "Displayes Ad" gets introduced. I guess so.
Nov 19 05:32:02 <g00s> ron_frown what was your favorite announcement from connect()
Nov 19 05:38:21 <ron_frown> whats connect?
Nov 19 05:38:39 <g00s> it was some event they had
Nov 19 05:38:48 <ron_frown> who
Nov 19 05:39:08 <ron_frown> my work got us tickets to early showing of starwars
Nov 19 05:39:25 <g00s> lol microsoft
Nov 19 05:40:02 <ron_frown> I dont knwo
Nov 19 05:40:07 <ron_frown> I've never heard of it
Nov 19 05:40:19 <ron_frown> I'm not a ms fanboy, there are things I really like that they are doing
Nov 19 05:40:35 <ron_frown> I'm gonna go to build which is bitchin since they have been known to hand out laptops and shit
Nov 19 05:53:03 <hwrdprkns> ~anyone
Nov 19 05:53:08 <hwrdprkns> oops
Nov 19 06:12:31 <g00s> i wonder how the nav drawer is supposed to work with the bottom tab strip now. which is the more global nav
Nov 19 07:23:06 <napster> Is it possible to use kitkat (chromium) webview on pre kitkat versions, or pre-kitkat webview on kitkat+ versions?
Nov 19 07:49:53 <vedu> Hello. Anyone used Amazon Device Farm or something similar for physical device testing
Nov 19 09:19:56 <autrilla> Can anyone help with Error:Gradle: Execution failed for task ':FarmNet:processDebugGoogleServices'. > File google-services.json is missing from module root folder. The Google Services Plugin cannot function without it.? The file is in the app directory, just like the instructions say https://i.gyazo.com/4374f76c3492a85990bd6d3c57abb319.png
Nov 19 09:26:20 <vigilancer> How to cast android screen to mac ?
Nov 19 09:46:08 <ondroed> people, mornig
Nov 19 09:47:12 <dzan> autrilla: maybe run it with --debug and hopefuly find the exact path that step is looking for
Nov 19 09:47:45 <ondroed> i'm playing yuotube video in frameLayout. But how can i remove / disable youtube controls?
Nov 19 09:51:22 <autrilla> dzan: it doesn't say anything about where it searches, other than module root
Nov 19 09:52:52 <dzan> autrilla: 'app' is not your module it seems fromt he screenshot
Nov 19 09:53:20 <autrilla> dzan: the docs say Copy the google-services.json file you just downloaded into the app/ or mobile/ directory of your Android Studio project.
Nov 19 09:53:29 <autrilla> And anyway, it doesn't work if I put it outside /app
Nov 19 09:54:26 <dzan> autrilla: should be in your app module root I think, in your case 'FarmNet'
Nov 19 10:03:39 <napster> Is it possible to use kitkat (chromium) webview on pre kitkat versions, or pre-kitkat webview on kitkat+ versions?
Nov 19 10:11:35 <gordon_> pfn: I tried your sbt plugin for gradle integration, works great but there's a problem when gradle project uses dagger2
Nov 19 11:05:12 <Nilzor> Any Data Binding gurus here? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33798426/how-to-databind-to-ontextchanged-for-an-edittext-on-android
Nov 19 11:08:23 <t0th_-_> hi
Nov 19 11:08:42 <t0th_-_> how i can change the color of checkbox pre lolipop? in lolipop i use buttontint and works
Nov 19 11:09:51 <Mavrik> Set the drawable manually.
Nov 19 11:10:09 <Mavrik> t0th_-_, or call "getDrawable()" and apply a `ColorFilter`
Nov 19 11:10:12 <Mavrik> Something in line of            icon.mutate().setColorFilter(iconColor, PorterDuff.Mode.SRC_IN);
Nov 19 11:12:15 <autrilla> uggggg the Google Sign in button doesn't have its text centered, it doesn't take the icon's size into account
Nov 19 11:18:04 <vigilancer> pfn : could you please paste that link again? about right way to use sub projects
Nov 19 11:18:22 <vigilancer> *with protify
Nov 19 11:18:31 <t0th_-_> thanks, Mavrik
Nov 19 11:18:38 <t0th_-_> i am trying getDrawables to add filter
Nov 19 11:26:22 <arussellsaw> other than reading the developer.android docs, what resources would you guys recommend to understand the android framework? i'm a professional software developer, relatively familiar with Java
Nov 19 11:27:06 <FrancescoV> Hi all, can you disable android:allowBackup merge?
Nov 19 11:28:17 <Nilzor> arussellsaw: The official docs are not that bad as an introduction. I don't see the need to go elsewhere for an overview
Nov 19 11:28:43 <Nilzor> when going indepth, google, read blogs, see talks from big conferences like Google I/O and DroidCon
Nov 19 11:29:36 <Nilzor> Follow www.reddit.com/r/androiddev to check the current trends
Nov 19 11:29:49 <autrilla> https://i.gyazo.com/b0f19fcff49dcd218849c42abf09a89f.png why google why
Nov 19 11:30:09 <Nilzor> :D
Nov 19 11:30:27 <arussellsaw> Nilzor: cheers, yeah i've been passively following a lot of that stuff for a while, but i guess i'll work my way through https://developer.android.com/guide/index.html
Nov 19 11:30:31 <autrilla> No, seriously. Am I going to have to make my own button? sigh]
Nov 19 11:39:17 <osxorgate> can a fragment that's created by a FragmentPagerAdapter be destroyed without the adapter knowing about it? I wish to pass a RxJava PublishSubject to this fragment and wonder what will happen for example on rotation. Since i cannot set it to retainInstance
Nov 19 11:57:15 <vigilancer> pfn : http://pastebin.com/62D5EkVz
Nov 19 11:57:48 <t0th_-_> hi, i have two edittext in my listview, but i cant do focus in this edittext,, how i can solve?
Nov 19 11:58:28 <t0th_-_> if ai use android:descendantFocusability="afterDescendants" in listview i can get focus only in first input, if i put android:descendantFocusability="beforeDescendants" i can get only in second textview
Nov 19 12:00:07 <t0th_-_> sorry, edittext
Nov 19 12:07:37 <eZanmoto> Hi, I have a nested layout with a LinearLayout containing a RelativeLayout with height 100dp and and a LinearLayout with height "match_parent". I'm trying to change the height of the RL after a button press using `getLayoutParams().height += 100` but it's not doing anything, does anyone know why this might be the case?
Nov 19 12:07:56 <vigilancer> pfn : it keeps adding dir name if front of lib name: http://pastebin.com/VaJfSaAw
Nov 19 12:08:07 <eZanmoto> By the way, the parent LinearLayout has vertical orientation
Nov 19 12:11:52 <bolovanos> hithere
Nov 19 12:14:18 <claz> hey, i'm starting out with android dev on linux (trying to use command line), i'm going through this tutorial : http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/running-app.html
Nov 19 12:14:52 <claz> however after creating the project as previously instructed there is no app/build/outputs folder in my project, how do I build from the command line?
Nov 19 12:15:46 <claz> also there's no build.gradle file as said in  http://developer.android.com/tools/building/building-cmdline.html
Nov 19 12:24:40 <bolovanos> How do you solve listView and actions (over items - rows) using contextual action bar, when you need different menu items for single (edit, copy) and multiple (delete, ...) selections?
Nov 19 12:24:51 <bolovanos> looking at this http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html#PopupMenu
Nov 19 12:29:14 <bolovanos> mean this http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html#CAB
Nov 19 12:32:10 <bolovanos> i.e.: longClick on listView row will show contextual action mode, unless user select other rows, this contextual action bar will have actions (edit, copy) applicable only for single selected item
Nov 19 12:41:47 <fcgregorio> hello gals/guys
Nov 19 12:44:44 <fcgregorio> IRC noob here. Can anyone read this? I'm guessing everyone will.
Nov 19 12:46:06 <Leeds> yes we can see you...
Nov 19 12:46:52 <fcgregorio> Thanks...
Nov 19 12:47:55 <fcgregorio> What goes on around here?
Nov 19 12:47:56 <gotnut> :/
Nov 19 12:48:05 <gotnut> is that a cia raid?
Nov 19 12:48:06 <gotnut> lols
Nov 19 12:48:48 <fcgregorio> Me? No.
Nov 19 12:48:58 <gotnut> then read the topic.
Nov 19 12:50:04 <fcgregorio> Can I ask a question related to the topic then?
Nov 19 12:52:34 <gotnut> sure
Nov 19 13:03:16 <fcgregorio> Cool. Here goes. I'm trying to keep up with the times. Learning RxJava, Dagger 2, MVP, and what not. Now I've yet to find an MVP implementation that uses Dagger 2, which persists Components (which provide Presenters) across configuration changes. I know what's usually done is you have something like an AppComponent as a variable in the Application class. What if you have an ActivityComponent that's a subcomponent of AppCompo
Nov 19 13:36:53 <autrilla> Does anyone know how to center the Google Sign in text in their sign in button?
Nov 19 13:37:30 <gotnut> :/
Nov 19 13:52:54 <jim87> hello! Is there a way to overwrite the default alert / progres / * dialog colors?
Nov 19 13:53:09 <jim87> i.e. change the light  blue texts with a, i.e., green one
Nov 19 13:53:43 <Zharf> jim87, kinda, but it's not pretty...
Nov 19 13:53:59 <jim87> Zharf: can't I do it via a style file?
Nov 19 13:54:04 <Zharf> nope
Nov 19 13:54:30 <jim87> maybe ContextThemeWrapper?
Nov 19 13:55:49 <jim87> <style name="MyDialogTheme" parent="@android:style/Theme.Dialog"> and then AlertDialog.Builder(new ContextThemeWrapper(R.style.MyDialogTheme)) maybe?
Nov 19 13:56:10 <Mavrik> It's just way easier to grab the MaterialDialogs library.
Nov 19 13:56:10 <Zharf> http://66472fa71528cd60.paste.se/  I did this to hack it
Nov 19 13:56:21 <Mavrik> Also works better / more consistent :)
Nov 19 13:56:32 <Zharf> Mavrik, possibly, except material sucks :p
Nov 19 13:56:45 <Mavrik> Nop.
Nov 19 13:58:07 <jim87>  Must be done *after* show is called, otherwise an exception is thrown when show() tries to request window modes <-- does this mean you see the color shift?
Nov 19 14:11:13 <pfn> vigilancer, that should be working on current android-gradle-build
Nov 19 14:15:48 <ondroed> people, what is 'poster' attribute? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16416935/youtube-iframe-embeds-cannot-autoplay-on-android
Nov 19 14:23:40 <vigilancer> pfn http://pastebin.com/91PqyXBY
Nov 19 14:23:53 <vigilancer> 1.1.8 latest?
Nov 19 14:26:04 <pfn> yes, pastebin the generated 00-gradle-generated.sbt file, vigilancer
Nov 19 14:31:46 <vigilancer> http://pastebin.com/5QJrHqvA
Nov 19 14:31:50 <vigilancer> pfn ^
Nov 19 14:32:47 <Zharf> jim87, no color shift, it's just a comment on something I encountered when I did that
Nov 19 14:34:31 <pfn> vigilancer, I guess I'll remove that old dir prefixing I added to try to fix your issue before
Nov 19 14:34:48 <pfn> weird though, I've tested that to work
Nov 19 14:35:27 <pfn> vigilancer, what version of gradle wrapper
Nov 19 14:36:15 <AlmogBaku> hi, is there a way i can proxy my whole app? (incl. 3rd parties such as gmap)?
Nov 19 14:36:28 <vigilancer> well, that not the biggest issue I'm having) will be back in 30 mins, maybe you can help me
Nov 19 14:36:33 <vigilancer> wrapper 2.4
Nov 19 14:37:33 <pfn> the error is different from the file you pasted
Nov 19 14:37:47 <vigilancer> i reproduced it
Nov 19 14:38:00 <pfn> remove th  generated, run again and pastebin both error and generated
Nov 19 14:40:48 <Zharf> are there any sensible mobile bluetooth keyboards, that'd be able to hold a phone on it, for android devices yet
Nov 19 14:40:58 <vigilancer> 00: http://pastebin.com/jMbq4M4t
Nov 19 14:41:40 <vigilancer> error: http://pastebin.com/6VNUnqq5
Nov 19 14:41:47 <vigilancer> pfn ^
Nov 19 14:42:40 <vigilancer> settings.gradle: http://pastebin.com/gaangCJx
Nov 19 14:47:13 <pfn> vigilancer, thanks, I'll try to make a fix today or tomorrow
Nov 19 14:52:08 <FrancescoV> Hi all, what is the best way to receive new saved values in sharedpreferences (for key "x")?
Nov 19 14:56:44 <vegetablesalad19> FrancescoV, I don't think you can do that out of the box. There is no "latest values"
Nov 19 14:57:51 <FrancescoV> vegetablesalad19: this looks nice: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/SharedPreferences.OnSharedPreferenceChangeListener.html
Nov 19 14:58:59 <vegetablesalad19> FrancescoV, this is "event", I thought you where looking for latest value
Nov 19 15:02:10 <dragorn> FrancescoV, any activity which needs to know the preferences values should check them on oncreate and onresume, you only need to worry about detecting runtime changes if you have a service running or you change prefs under the active activity
Nov 19 15:03:14 <FrancescoV> dragorn, well I have a class ApiManager which uses the Singleton Pattern. And tis class needs to know 2 stored values from a SharedPreferences
Nov 19 15:05:41 <osxorgate> in rxjava i have 2 observables of the same type. i want to combine them into 1, making sure that the items in the first show up in the result before the items of the second. how?
Nov 19 15:05:46 <txomon> I know most of you have dealed with this... https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=194610
Nov 19 15:06:02 <txomon> osxorgate: then you have to map()
Nov 19 15:06:37 <osxorgate> txomon: how do you figure?
Nov 19 15:06:46 <txomon> osxorgate: figure?
Nov 19 15:06:54 <osxorgate> basically i want a merge() but with a forced order
Nov 19 15:07:09 <osxorgate> concat it seems
Nov 19 15:07:31 <txomon> you better go to the appropriate channel https://gitter.im/ReactiveX/RxJava
Nov 19 15:08:20 <osxorgate> ooh, thanks
Nov 19 15:11:40 <autrilla> Do you know of any app that allows various third party auth providers? I'm basically looking for apps that let you log in with twitter, facebook, google...
Nov 19 15:12:34 <osxorgate> autrilla: there should be many, if you want to implement it yourself you might look at auth0
Nov 19 15:13:52 <autrilla> osxorgate: I want to implement it myself, but I want to look at how others did it design-wise
Nov 19 15:18:51 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys! I want to change the colors for Switch element, like change colors for activated\turned state and background color. Do I have to create a set of drawables for it and apply it in custom theme, or maybe there's a simpler to do ерфе?
Nov 19 15:19:01 <AlexBerdnikov> *that
Nov 19 15:29:20 <osxorgate> AlexBerdnikov: i think you could check out tint
Nov 19 15:33:50 <AlexBerdnikov> osxorgate: thank you, but it didn't work :(
Nov 19 15:34:33 <AlexBerdnikov> I experimented with various tint modes and colors and it has no effect at all
Nov 19 15:37:12 <vigilancer> pfn : here? I've stuck with some kind of dependencies issue. don't know if it's on my side or protify
Nov 19 15:37:57 <vigilancer> error: http://pastebin.com/4JgWigKY
Nov 19 15:38:09 <vigilancer> sbt gen run: http://pastebin.com/31My8hyx
Nov 19 15:38:19 <vigilancer> build.gradle: http://pastebin.com/R4qCNgHm
Nov 19 15:39:17 <vigilancer> pfn : builds with gradle just fine. maybe you can help me sort it out
Nov 19 15:42:13 <rudolf_> I need to access a textView from all the methods in my MainActivity class. So, can I do "TextView screen = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.textView);" just after the line "public class MainActivity extends AppCompatActivity { " ?
Nov 19 15:43:10 <rudolf_> I tried writing  " TextView screen = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.textView);" after the onCreate function but the app is getting fc.
Nov 19 15:45:54 <pfn> vigilancer, start by making all your dependencies on support-v4 the same
Nov 19 15:46:23 <vigilancer> pfn : what do you mean the same?
Nov 19 15:46:53 <vigilancer> same version of v4?
Nov 19 15:47:09 <pfn> [warn] aar support-v4 older than latest version 22.2.1
Nov 19 15:47:09 <pfn> [warn]  * 22.2.1 specified in app
Nov 19 15:47:10 <pfn> [warn]  * 22.0.0 specified in vksdk_library
Nov 19 15:48:21 <vigilancer> well, I can, but it is not always the case that deps have same v4 version. at least I'm not in control of aars libs
Nov 19 15:49:05 <pfn> yeah, but you are in control of your own project
Nov 19 15:49:28 <pfn> everything within your project must be on the same version
Nov 19 15:49:49 <pfn> external dependencies don't matter, they'll get pulled up to the correct version
Nov 19 15:49:58 <pfn> but if your project doesn't specify the right version, it's just done and broken
Nov 19 15:50:21 * vigilancer wonna stub the guy who brought vksdk sources in project
Nov 19 15:53:56 <vigilancer> pfn : just... you know, error) http://pastebin.com/3YZX7t7B
Nov 19 15:54:16 <perlsyntax> Hey all:)
Nov 19 15:54:17 <pfn> vigilancer, are you using retrolambda? must set retrolambdaEnabled := true
Nov 19 15:55:14 <perlsyntax> Hey pfn
Nov 19 15:55:39 <vigilancer> pfn where to? can't find in docs
Nov 19 15:56:04 <pfn> vigilancer, echo "retrolambdaEnabled := true" > build.sbt (of every project that uses retrolambda)
Nov 19 16:06:49 <rudolf_> findViewById() is returning a null pointer exception, I dont understand why. I have checked that the text view that I am finding does exist in my layout.
Nov 19 16:08:07 <rudolf_> http://pastebin.com/QYJMtwYB is the error
Nov 19 16:11:05 <rudolf_> http://pastebin.com/phnySJ6J is he main activity.java
Nov 19 16:13:56 <vigilancer> pfn : proguard rules should be duplicated in build.sbt ?
Nov 19 16:15:25 <Leeds> rudolf_: I suspect that since the findViewById is outside a method, it's run (is it?) when the Activity is created - that is, before onCreate
Nov 19 16:15:31 <Leeds> I could be wrong, however...
Nov 19 16:15:34 <pfn> vigilancer, it should be pulled automatically if it's declared properly in androisd plugin
Nov 19 16:15:36 <pfn> in gradle
Nov 19 16:15:50 <rudolf_> Leeds, I even tried putting it after onCreate. Still same error.
Nov 19 16:16:10 <Leeds> rudolf_: put the declaration outside onCreate, put the assignment inside
Nov 19 16:17:03 <vigilancer> pfn : well, they definitely not pulled
Nov 19 16:17:19 <pfn> vigilancer, then not defined properly
Nov 19 16:17:32 <autrilla> Does anyone know how to center the Google Sign in text in their sign in button? I'm basically looking to have Facebook and Google sign in buttons with Material design style and both centered.
Nov 19 16:17:36 <vigilancer> pfn : definition of 'properly'?
Nov 19 16:17:40 <rudolf_> Leeds, you mean assign the id outside onCreate ?
Nov 19 16:18:29 <Leeds> no, assign inside
Nov 19 16:18:51 <pfn> vigilancer, by setting proguardConfigFile in gradle
Nov 19 16:19:00 <pfn> er, proguardFile
Nov 19 16:19:15 <rudolf_> Ok..lemme try
Nov 19 16:19:45 <autrilla> It's really sad that Google didn't take the icon size into account when centering the button's text
Nov 19 16:19:53 <mrAlmond> Hi everyone
Nov 19 16:20:26 <mrAlmond> How can I call an instantiated java class method from native c++ ? Must I use java singleton?
Nov 19 16:20:33 <autrilla> And you're also only allowed to use their button, basically. It's sad.
Nov 19 16:20:36 <pfn> mrAlmond, by using jni properly
Nov 19 16:20:41 <autrilla> Is there any way to tell google to fix that?
Nov 19 16:20:43 <rudolf_> Leeds, yep..it works :) But how??
Nov 19 16:20:49 <Leeds> magic!
Nov 19 16:21:01 <Leeds> on the phone with mum, can't explain now :)
Nov 19 16:21:32 <vigilancer> pfn : shoud be ok? https://gist.github.com/vigilancer/2258aa74221fbe42bfa5
Nov 19 16:22:01 <mrAlmond> pfn: so it's something doable? I need to call a method declared in the application class that is instantiated when the app is created.
Nov 19 16:22:02 <rudolf_> Leeds, I don't understand lol. Many times I have declared and even assigned textview and other components inside other methods. Always worked.
Nov 19 16:22:13 <rudolf_> Anyways...thanks...it works now :)
Nov 19 16:22:22 <pfn> mrAlmond, well, you can't conjure it out of thin air, you need to pass a reference to it into jni to use
Nov 19 16:22:26 <pfn> or invoke it as a singleton
Nov 19 16:22:47 <mrAlmond> pfn: that's what I said in the question
Nov 19 16:23:00 <pfn> mrAlmond, well, of course you can't just access random objects without having a reference to them
Nov 19 16:23:33 <pfn> vigilancer, should be, but the way it's declared in gradle isn't making it into the android config object, maybe a gradle bug
Nov 19 16:23:36 <pfn> er, gradle plugin
Nov 19 16:24:20 <mrAlmond> pfn: I'll go with the singleton
Nov 19 16:24:49 <pfn> mrAlmond, but your native function is called from java, so pass the application when making the call
Nov 19 16:24:54 <pfn> and you have a jobject in jni
Nov 19 16:26:08 <vigilancer> pfn : how should I declare it to make protify happy?
Nov 19 16:26:36 <mrAlmond> pfn: no native functions are called from java...I need the opposite...java method called from c++
Nov 19 16:27:16 <jonp> mrAlmond: you can do that with JNI
Nov 19 16:27:18 <pfn> vigilancer, in app project: proguardOptions ++= IO.readLines(baseDirectory.value / "proguard-rules.pro")
Nov 19 16:27:28 <pfn> mrAlmond, c++ code doesn't run by itself on android
Nov 19 16:27:34 <pfn> you CALLED the c++ code from java at some point
Nov 19 16:28:04 <mrAlmond> pfn: I am running a Qt application in Android
Nov 19 16:28:22 <pfn> mrAlmond, so? java called into native at some point to launch the qt app
Nov 19 16:28:31 <pfn> that is the point at which you should pass your application object
Nov 19 16:28:40 <pfn> and srs? yuck
Nov 19 16:28:42 <mrAlmond> pfn : yes of course
Nov 19 16:28:53 <mrAlmond> pfn: ok understood now
Nov 19 16:32:59 <pfn> vigilancer, you should not be using proguard with protify anyway
Nov 19 16:33:03 <pfn> vigilancer, just makes it slower for no reason
Nov 19 16:33:23 <vigilancer> dex limit (
Nov 19 16:33:36 <pfn> vigilancer, dex limit is irrelevant in protify
Nov 19 16:34:24 <vigilancer> I mean references limit
Nov 19 16:34:56 <vigilancer> proguard was fastest way to fix ti
Nov 19 16:34:58 <vigilancer> *it
Nov 19 16:36:54 <vigilancer> ah, I see
Nov 19 16:38:12 <pfn> protify spits in the face of dex method limits
Nov 19 16:40:04 <bolovanos> I would like to see "Done action" for my CAB http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html#CAB but I see back arrow instead
Nov 19 16:40:19 <bolovanos> any idea what can be causing it?
Nov 19 16:44:07 <bolovanos> this is what i see http://snag.gy/Ttnqp.jpg
Nov 19 16:45:03 <vigilancer> pfn : getting looot of this in logs: https://gist.github.com/vigilancer/8bb7606948d6c8bd686b
Nov 19 16:45:04 <bolovanos> but I would like to see check sign on the left side of the activity (right screen) - http://developer.android.com/images/ui/menu-context.png
Nov 19 16:45:33 <vigilancer> pfn installed but still not started
Nov 19 16:49:03 <pfn> vigilancer, don't use pidcat, can't tell if that's same process or different
Nov 19 16:52:16 <pfn> vigilancer, and for that matter, if it's getting restarted, sounds like your app is explicitly exiting itself
Nov 19 16:52:29 <bolovanos> where my code differ
Nov 19 16:52:29 <bolovanos> they implement: listView.setMultiChoiceModeListener(new i am implementing: MultiChoiceModeListener() {
Nov 19 16:52:29 <bolovanos> listView.setMultiChoiceModeListener(new AbsListView.MultiChoiceModeListener() {
Nov 19 16:54:32 <autrilla> How can I see the XML google uses for "com.google.android.gms.common.SignInButton" and improve it so that the button's text is centered?
Nov 19 17:01:02 <luist> hey guys, considering im launching another apk with an Intent and startActivity(intent), how can i catch the return, when this application closes?
Nov 19 17:04:19 <liuwenhao> Is there a way to sort an ArrayList so that some data is removed? For example: I want to sort A-Z, and then remove anything that starts with B
Nov 19 17:04:37 <pfn> liuwenhao, use a filter, but sorting won't remove
Nov 19 17:04:39 <pfn> guava is good for this
Nov 19 17:05:11 <pfn> Collections.sort(newArrayList(Iterables.filter(...)))
Nov 19 17:05:13 <pfn> something like that
Nov 19 17:05:35 <liuwenhao> Thank you for the advice, I will look into guava
Nov 19 17:07:40 <missingno> can I use custom constructors for the data objects in moshi
Nov 19 17:10:14 <vigilancer> pfn : it's the same pid. *sigh* guess I'll try with another app
Nov 19 17:11:38 <pfn> vigilancer, your app is doing something that's causing it to loop...
Nov 19 17:12:02 <vigilancer> pfn : maybe. i've installed it with gradle and it looks fine
Nov 19 17:12:04 <pfn> vigilancer, oh      ProtifyApplication  D  Real application class: [com.hanhuy.android.protify.agent.ProtifyApplication]
Nov 19 17:12:08 <pfn> you did that
Nov 19 17:12:11 <pfn> fix your manifest
Nov 19 17:12:29 <vigilancer> i did that? ) sec..
Nov 19 17:12:30 <pfn> clean if necessary
Nov 19 17:13:08 <missingno> guess not
Nov 19 17:14:32 <pfn> vigilancer, rm app/target/resource_managed/protify_application_info.txt
Nov 19 17:14:36 <pfn> clean should do that...
Nov 19 17:14:45 <pfn> vigilancer, but your manifest says the wrong application class, if so
Nov 19 17:15:35 <vigilancer> pfn : nope, its ".App"
Nov 19 17:16:34 <ghosalmartin> hello how can I get widgets from the resources WITHOUT casting
Nov 19 17:16:52 <vigilancer> ah, there is 'protifySettings' in buid.sbt, my bad
Nov 19 17:16:56 <pfn> ...
Nov 19 17:20:04 <Ribesg> How does Fabric work
Nov 19 17:20:22 <vigilancer> Ribesg : more specific?
Nov 19 17:20:27 <Ribesg> I'm supposed to be able to show a tweet timeline without having to set some key or anything
Nov 19 17:20:34 <Ribesg> But they don't say how
Nov 19 17:20:40 <Ribesg> I'm using this https://docs.fabric.io/android/twitter/show-timelines.html
Nov 19 17:20:49 <Ribesg> But it crashes saying I need TweetUi
Nov 19 17:20:54 <Ribesg> TweetUi needs TwitterCode
Nov 19 17:21:05 <Ribesg> TwitterCore requires auth parameters
Nov 19 17:21:14 <vigilancer> Ribesg : never used fabric twitter, sorry
Nov 19 17:21:40 <ghosalmartin> anyone? or is what am asking not doable?
Nov 19 17:22:24 <pfn> ghosalmartin, by using a language/dsl that allows that
Nov 19 17:22:27 <pfn> ghosalmartin, you can't in java
Nov 19 17:22:41 <pfn> anko in kotlin allows this, as does scala, etc.
Nov 19 17:22:42 <ghosalmartin> pfn: looks like generics it is
Nov 19 17:22:55 <pfn> can't do it with generics, either
Nov 19 17:23:06 <pfn> not without explicitly specifying the type and casting internally in your generic function anyway
Nov 19 17:23:10 <ghosalmartin> pfn: well you can to remove all the casts from the codes
Nov 19 17:23:24 <ghosalmartin> pfn: your still casting, but yeah
Nov 19 17:23:43 <pfn> ghosalmartin, it's not typesafe either way
Nov 19 17:24:00 <pfn> ghosalmartin, you might do something like findMyView<TextView>(R.id.foo)
Nov 19 17:24:12 <pfn> but you'll still crash at runtime if R.id.foo is an ImageView, or anything except TextView
Nov 19 17:24:28 <ghosalmartin> pfn: wouldnt it crash anyway with casting?
Nov 19 17:24:52 <pfn> ghosalmartin, yes, I'm just saying, doing that is no improvement
Nov 19 17:25:03 <ghosalmartin> pfn: cleans up ugly code :p
Nov 19 17:25:05 <pfn> and it doesn't make your code look any better
Nov 19 17:25:13 <pfn> that's just a stylistic choice
Nov 19 17:25:20 <pfn> (TextView) findView, vs. findView<TextView>
Nov 19 17:25:24 <pfn> same difference
Nov 19 17:26:06 <ghosalmartin> pfn: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11433722/android-a-findviewbyid-method-that-returns-values-we-dont-need-to-cast
Nov 19 17:26:24 <ghosalmartin> pfn: that answer seems clean enough, although
Nov 19 17:26:50 <pfn> oh, the type inference thing, meh, it's a little nicer, but not really
Nov 19 17:27:02 <pfn> you can't do findViewByID(R.id.text).setText
Nov 19 17:27:07 <pfn> which makes it pretty useless
Nov 19 17:27:35 <ghosalmartin> pfn: I just cant stand typing TextView view = (TextView) , I mean whats the point, whoever thought this was a good idea
Nov 19 17:27:53 <ghosalmartin> pfn: feels like a design choice that wasnt mean to stick around but they got stuck with it
Nov 19 17:27:55 <pfn> ghosalmartin, it's not a good idea, but it's a limitation of the java type system
Nov 19 17:29:08 <DadFoundMy> JakeWharton: Just saw the headlines on square, congrats!
Nov 19 17:29:15 <ghosalmartin> pfn: ah well. I probably shouldnt expect it to be fixed
Nov 19 17:29:26 <pfn> ghosalmartin, use a language where this limitation is not an issue
Nov 19 17:29:34 <pfn> ghosalmartin, you can use kotlin + android-extensions
Nov 19 17:29:36 <pfn> ghosalmartin, or scala
Nov 19 17:30:03 <g00s> "Visual Studio Emulator for Android will be available for Mac OS X in a future update."
Nov 19 17:30:05 <g00s> \o/
Nov 19 17:30:13 <ghosalmartin> pfn: might do that
Nov 19 17:30:45 * pfn only ever does val mytext = findView(TR.id_of_textview)
Nov 19 17:30:49 <pfn> and mytext is a TextView
Nov 19 17:30:56 * pfn shrugs
Nov 19 17:31:00 <s73v3r> g00s: That’s cool, but I really don’t see the reason behind it
Nov 19 17:31:09 <ghosalmartin> pfn: does it enforce types though? is everything a val?
Nov 19 17:31:18 <pfn> ghosalmartin, of course it enforces types
Nov 19 17:31:29 <s73v3r> type inference?
Nov 19 17:31:35 <pfn> TR.id_of_textview is a TypedResource[TextView](R.id.id_of_textview)
Nov 19 17:31:38 <ghosalmartin> pfn: what i mean is can I explicty define types?
Nov 19 17:31:54 <pfn> ghosalmartin, you could, but that's a waste of time
Nov 19 17:32:05 <pfn> there's no reason to do val mytext: TextView = findView(TR.id_of_textview)
Nov 19 17:32:51 <pfn> ugh, the material design icons aren't available to download as a VectorDrawable, that's lame
Nov 19 17:32:55 <ghosalmartin> pfn: I like readable code, if everythings a val who knows whats what
Nov 19 17:33:01 <vigilancer> pfn : should protify play nice with crashlytics? https://gist.github.com/vigilancer/725eda467143a6c6e2be
Nov 19 17:33:07 <pfn> vigilancer, yes
Nov 19 17:33:31 <pfn> vigilancer, resValues += (("string", "com.crashlytics.android.build_id", java.util.UUID.randomUUID.toString))
Nov 19 17:33:54 <pfn> that's all the stupid crashlytics plugin does... stupid waste of a plugin
Nov 19 17:33:57 <ghosalmartin> pfn: anyways, nice chat, cya :)
Nov 19 17:35:18 <vigilancer> pfn : fk, I believe I've collected every stone in the proccess
Nov 19 17:37:00 <pfn> rather, the download for the vector drawable isn't available on the website for individual images
Nov 19 17:38:48 <g00s> three things sure in this life: death, taxes, and hate on crashlytics plugin :D
Nov 19 17:41:19 <g00s> s73v3r yeah i don't understand either, but seems they keep open sourcing / pushing their stuff more cross platform
Nov 19 17:41:23 <g00s> eh, i'm not complaining
Nov 19 17:42:25 <s73v3r> I can see why they’d open source .NET core, because they want more people using the .NET ecosystem
Nov 19 17:42:43 <s73v3r> but stuff like this doesn’t make sense, as that emulator is a competitive advantage for their platforms
Nov 19 17:43:00 <vigilancer> pfn : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c
Nov 19 17:43:12 <pfn> vigilancer, heh
Nov 19 17:43:28 <g00s> s73v3r yup
Nov 19 17:43:52 <vigilancer> I have material for a whole fkn article
Nov 19 17:46:50 <DrSheep> i cant show an AlertDialog on top of a DialogFragment without the fragment closing? is this right? how do I do that?
Nov 19 17:52:49 <Covale> I have been tasked with creating an internet banking app.  can anyone point me in the right direction as to how the app communicates with the server?  I mean does it auth and transmit data using HTTPS or should I be looking into using JSON or SOAP or is there another method?
Nov 19 17:54:11 <Covale> please forgive me if this is not the right channel for such a question.  been a while since I have been on IRC
Nov 19 17:56:11 <g00s> Covale internet banking, eh. well i'd recommend looking through this, although its not java specific
Nov 19 17:56:12 <g00s> https://www.feistyduck.com/books/bulletproof-ssl-and-tls/
Nov 19 17:56:28 <s73v3r> no offense, but if you’re asking those kinds of questions, then maybe you’re not the one to be doing something as sensitive as internet banking
Nov 19 17:56:30 <g00s> pretty easy to f$# up, better know what you are doing
Nov 19 17:57:30 <g00s> Covale and also read http://www.amazon.com/Bulletproof-Android-Practical-Building-Developers-ebook/dp/B00PWDFWC6
Nov 19 17:57:52 <DrSheep> Covale:  you are writing an internet banking app and you dont know how networking on android works? dear god
Nov 19 17:58:01 <DrSheep> tell me this is a troll
Nov 19 17:58:02 <g00s> lol yeah
Nov 19 17:58:10 <g00s> Covale what bank ? :D :D :D
Nov 19 17:58:17 <DrSheep> yes what bank should i avoid at all costs?
Nov 19 17:59:03 <Covale> no, you are probably right, but this is a small company and only 3 developers and this kinda got dumped into my lap.  I have in part developed the web based solution and we have always farmed out the mobile portion, but my boss has grand ideas that we should develop everything in-house.
Nov 19 17:59:38 <s73v3r> this is not the kind of thing to have one person on
Nov 19 17:59:54 <s73v3r> please tell me you at least have security auditors
Nov 19 17:59:57 <s73v3r> and QA staff
Nov 19 18:00:50 <autrilla> How can I see the XML google uses for "com.google.android.gms.common.SignInButton" and improve it so that the button's text is centered?
Nov 19 18:02:20 <s73v3r> i don’t think you’re able to edit it.
Nov 19 18:02:26 <hamsterr> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18040815/can-i-edit-the-text-of-sign-in-button-on-google
Nov 19 18:02:31 <s73v3r> and given that it’s in “com.google”, it’s not open source
Nov 19 18:02:41 <Covale> of course we have security audits and a full SSAE#16 annually, this is just a new project
Nov 19 18:03:10 <autrilla> hamsterr: that's not what I want.
Nov 19 18:03:20 <hamsterr> should apply
Nov 19 18:03:30 <hamsterr> setGravity?
Nov 19 18:03:47 <s73v3r> autrilla: That’s the closest you’re going to get. you do not have access to the code for their button
Nov 19 18:03:49 <autrilla> hamsterr: it probably has gravity center, but they don't take the icon into account
Nov 19 18:04:00 <autrilla> s73v3r: but the xml should be somewhere ,right?
Nov 19 18:04:08 <Covale> I was just looking for a direction to get started, such as which protocol I should be using because there seems to be so many options
Nov 19 18:04:12 <s73v3r> not where you can edit it
Nov 19 18:04:28 <s73v3r> Covale: Use the same stuff you used for the website
Nov 19 18:04:28 <autrilla> s73v3r: no, but I can copy it and use my own
Nov 19 18:04:49 <s73v3r> it’d be in their library
Nov 19 18:06:02 <autrilla> https://i.gyazo.com/960050048232e0a94ae6d4509a472005.png
Nov 19 18:06:31 <autrilla> And you can't change the height of the facebook one. Heh.
Nov 19 18:07:05 <autrilla> s73v3r: that's primarily why I want Google's XML, so I can just copy the button and use it for facebook too
Nov 19 18:07:30 <s73v3r> but here’s the thing: The Google signin button and the Facebook button are part of their branding.
Nov 19 18:07:38 <s73v3r> they have decided how they want those to look
Nov 19 18:07:53 <hamsterr> exactly
Nov 19 18:07:55 <autrilla> But it looks like crap when used together.
Nov 19 18:08:05 <hamsterr> if u dont like how googles shit works make ur own
Nov 19 18:08:20 <s73v3r> then make your own button, but don’t try to alter theirs
Nov 19 18:08:20 <autrilla> They should at least let me make them the same height
Nov 19 18:08:23 <hamsterr> an imageview with a picture can go a long way
Nov 19 18:08:24 <s73v3r> make your own unique button
Nov 19 18:08:34 <autrilla> s73v3r: sure! That's what I need google's source for
Nov 19 18:08:41 <s73v3r> no, you don't
Nov 19 18:08:59 <s73v3r> i’m saying to make your own button from scratch, that isn’t trying to look like their button
Nov 19 18:09:00 <autrilla> Okay, no, but it'd be the easiest way to get exactly the same thing
Nov 19 18:09:13 <autrilla> s73v3r: it *has* to look like their button
Nov 19 18:09:18 <s73v3r> then use their button
Nov 19 18:09:25 <hamsterr> autrill
Nov 19 18:09:30 <hamsterr> that is a ripper mentality
Nov 19 18:09:36 <autrilla> hamsterr: what?
Nov 19 18:09:43 <autrilla> Google says it MUST look like that, not me
Nov 19 18:09:49 <s73v3r> you don’t have the right to go and change their branding because it doesn’t fit you
Nov 19 18:09:59 <s73v3r> and it’s Google’s button you’re using
Nov 19 18:10:06 <autrilla> s73v3r: yes I do.
Nov 19 18:10:14 <autrilla> As long as I keep their guidelines
Nov 19 18:10:19 <s73v3r> no, you dont’
Nov 19 18:10:22 <autrilla> And they say nothing about keeping text non-centered
Nov 19 18:10:41 <autrilla> I want exactly what they have, but with support for variable width, which they don't do
Nov 19 18:10:52 <autrilla> s73v3r: and yes, I do.
Nov 19 18:11:00 <s73v3r> feel free to reach out to someone at google about this, but it seems like if they wanted you to be able to do that, they’d build in support
Nov 19 18:11:04 <autrilla> It says right on their site.
Nov 19 18:11:18 <s73v3r> show it
Nov 19 18:11:37 <autrilla> https://developers.google.com/identity/branding-guidelines#sign-in-button
Nov 19 18:12:03 <autrilla> I don't see anything about "do not center text"
Nov 19 18:12:28 <s73v3r> and I don’t see anything that says you can
Nov 19 18:12:49 <s73v3r> http://www.google.com/intl/en/permissions/
Nov 19 18:13:39 <autrilla> s73v3r: it does say you can..
Nov 19 18:13:43 <s73v3r> where
Nov 19 18:14:23 <rudolf_> Hi
Nov 19 18:14:29 <autrilla> To encourage users to click the button, we recommend the call-to-action text "Sign in with Google" or "Sign up with Google". It should be clear to the user that they are signing in to your app or signing up for your app with their Google credentials, not signing up or registering for a Google account on your app.
Nov 19 18:14:44 <autrilla> No other requirement regarding positioning of the text
Nov 19 18:14:55 <s73v3r> that has nothing to do with what we’re discussing
Nov 19 18:15:10 <s73v3r> your best option would be to make your own button
Nov 19 18:15:14 <autrilla> s73v3r: as I understand it I can do whatever I want as long as it complies with their requirements
Nov 19 18:15:27 <autrilla> s73v3r: or copying and changing theirs
Nov 19 18:15:39 <s73v3r> no, that code is not available for you to modify
Nov 19 18:15:54 <rudolf_> I want to put a condition such that if the text on a textView is not zero then only execute the body of condition. I tries if(!textview.equals("0")) {body;}  but it does not work as expected.
Nov 19 18:15:59 <autrilla> But it is available for me to see it
Nov 19 18:15:59 <rudolf_> Any other logic?
Nov 19 18:16:16 <s73v3r> if you had made your own button, you’d be done by now
Nov 19 18:16:50 <autrilla> s73v3r: I want to make my own button with Google's style./
Nov 19 18:16:53 <rudolf_> With the above logic, if the text is zero, the not makes it false and the body is never exeuted.
Nov 19 18:16:56 <autrilla> It's not that hard to understand
Nov 19 18:17:06 <s73v3r> the site you linked gives you the assets to do so
Nov 19 18:17:43 <s73v3r> no, i understand exactly what you want to do. What you don’t seem to understand is that you are not allowed to take their source and modify it. it is not under a permissive license
Nov 19 18:17:46 <rudolf_> Hey TacticalJoke
Nov 19 18:18:18 <s73v3r> rudolf_: you have to do textview.text
Nov 19 18:18:30 <s73v3r> errr, getText
Nov 19 18:19:12 <rudolf_> s73v3r, I have done that already. The textview contains the string from the TextView object.
Nov 19 18:19:31 <TacticalJoke> Hay.
Nov 19 18:19:39 <g00s> hey TacticalJoke
Nov 19 18:19:41 <rudolf_> The problem is with the logic. If the text is 0, the not make it false and the body is not executed.
Nov 19 18:20:29 <rudolf_> What I want is somthing equivalent to this : if(textview=="0") { } else { do something}
Nov 19 18:20:44 <s73v3r> rudolf_: you have that already
Nov 19 18:20:44 <rudolf_> I can use this logic but it does not look good :|
Nov 19 18:21:06 <rudolf_> Is this and what I wrote previously the same?
Nov 19 18:21:11 <s73v3r> yes
Nov 19 18:21:55 <s73v3r>  so what is the problem? What is it doing, and what do you expect it to do?
Nov 19 18:22:12 <TacticalJoke> Interesting prediction on /r/androiddev: "I think you'll find in a few years that [Kotlin is] the direction everyone has gone for Android."
Nov 19 18:22:27 <TacticalJoke> Not sure whether I agree, but I guess it's not an insane prediction.
Nov 19 18:22:40 <s73v3r> i don’t agree
Nov 19 18:23:22 <s73v3r> i think it’ll be on the level of Dagger or RxAndroid/RxJava. A number of people will adopt them, including a lot in the startup community, but most devs won’t be doing it
Nov 19 18:23:31 <rudolf_> s73v3r, ah...I see it now. Got it. Thanks :)
Nov 19 18:24:22 <autrilla> Can I set the size of a drawableLeft on my xml?
Nov 19 18:24:46 <s73v3r> i do not believe you can set it by itself.
Nov 19 18:25:18 <s73v3r> the size will be set proportional to the size of the text and the view itself
Nov 19 18:25:23 <g00s> nick butcher updates plaid almost every day, i wonder if he keeps finding bugs or what
Nov 19 18:25:27 <s73v3r> and the bounds you have
Nov 19 18:25:56 <autrilla> Okay, that's not what I want. I also see the text is not really centered, it doesn't subtract the width of the drawable
Nov 19 18:26:46 <s73v3r> yeah, the built in button is not very flexible
Nov 19 18:28:48 <autrilla> s73v3r: so what do you suggest?
Nov 19 18:29:00 <defcon6> Hello android devs: I am trying to integrate the AWS sdk into my android app and and dowloaded the samples. I created an identity pool and created roles for the identity pool. I am not able to acess my bucket from my app and am wondering if someone else who has worked with AWS SDK on android can give me some pointers. I pasted the error message here http://pastebin.com/E9jYvr87
Nov 19 18:29:03 <autrilla> I'm using AppCompatButton by the way
Nov 19 18:30:18 <TacticalJoke> autrilla:  Can you just use TextView?  What are you ultimately trying to achieve?
Nov 19 18:30:34 <autrilla> A nice looking sign in view
Nov 19 18:30:36 <s73v3r> I usually fiddle with the built in button/app compat button for an hour or two, trying to set gravities and minheights, get irritated, and then make a fake button using a Linear or Relative layout
Nov 19 18:30:52 <autrilla> s73v3r: google uses a FrameLayout
Nov 19 18:31:25 <g00s> hm, the material icons at https://www.google.com/design/icons/#ic_menu ... can't i download a VectorDrawable ? i only see PNG and SVG
Nov 19 18:32:04 <g00s> and why is the SVG filename have a size picker
Nov 19 18:32:23 <s73v3r> Frame layout is fine
Nov 19 18:32:54 <s73v3r> g00s: isn’t VectorDrawable the class that wraps the SVG?
Nov 19 18:33:02 <s73v3r> as in, it’s not a file format itself?
Nov 19 18:33:14 <g00s> um, i think its both. AS complains svg is not xml
Nov 19 18:33:26 <autrilla> s73v3r: can I legally see what Google did for their button's XML?
Nov 19 18:35:17 <perlsyntax> Could i make my own vpn android app so my vpn would work like a hotspot on the phone?
Nov 19 18:36:45 <perlsyntax> i want to know can this be done.
Nov 19 18:36:57 <TacticalJoke> autrilla:  It seems to be this: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/drawable/btn_default_mtrl_shape.xml
Nov 19 18:37:11 <TacticalJoke> From https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/values/styles_material.xml#459 .
Nov 19 18:37:35 <TacticalJoke> Note that Button is just a TextView with a different look.
Nov 19 18:37:46 <TacticalJoke> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/java/android/widget/Button.java
Nov 19 18:38:30 <perlsyntax> Hey TacticalJoke:)
Nov 19 18:38:36 <TacticalJoke> Hai.
Nov 19 18:38:43 <perlsyntax> How are you
Nov 19 18:38:58 <autrilla> Why is android layout so bad? heh
Nov 19 18:40:37 <eghdk> onClick() I set the visibility of my EditText to View.VISIBLE. Now I want the keyboard to show and the EditText to get focus. I am calling editText.hasFocus() but no keyboard =( ideas? I think I'm calling hasFocus, but changing the vibility isn't instant, so it wasn't able to set the focus.
Nov 19 18:43:26 <autrilla> So, this are the buttons right now, using the appcompat button. I just want Google's and Facebook's logo to the left, without moving the text at all. https://i.gyazo.com/5a4ed4bf6e33ea47db911983d6f078cb.png
Nov 19 18:49:16 <autrilla> Can I do this? I guess not, and I have to write my own button implementation, with support for different state when pressed etc
Nov 19 18:50:10 <s73v3r> pretty much. They give you something, but it’s take it or leave it
Nov 19 18:50:35 <autrilla> This reminds me of PHP
Nov 19 18:51:15 <g00s> autrilla i highly recommend going with the default stuff - and not writing your own implementations :)
Nov 19 18:51:34 <autrilla> g00s: okay, sure. How can I do what I want with the default stuff?
Nov 19 18:51:46 <g00s> realign your expectations :D
Nov 19 18:51:53 <g00s> and want less
Nov 19 18:51:57 <autrilla> .. it's not my expectations
Nov 19 18:52:07 <autrilla> It's user's brains expectations. They expect things to be aligned
Nov 19 18:52:08 <s73v3r> then realign your designer’s expectations
Nov 19 18:52:29 <s73v3r> put the buttons side by side?
Nov 19 18:53:06 <adq> http://android-developers.blogspot.fr/2015/11/android-studio-15.html stable is u
Nov 19 18:53:10 <adq> p
Nov 19 18:53:21 <rudolf_> Do I need to do anything else apart from "android:cursorVisible="true" to get the cursor in TextView ?
Nov 19 18:53:32 <rudolf_> I don't want to use edit text.
Nov 19 18:53:39 <autrilla> s73v3r: then I'm violating Google's rules
Nov 19 18:53:49 <autrilla> Because I give my login method more priority than theirs
Nov 19 18:54:04 <autrilla> Well, I mean
Nov 19 18:54:15 <autrilla> I want to have three login methods, and they don't really fit side by side
Nov 19 18:56:18 <autrilla> s73v3r: you also can't set the button's drawable size, right?
Nov 19 18:57:30 <t0th_-_> hi
Nov 19 19:00:31 <t0th_-_> how i can change the color of textinputlayout when i dont have a focus in edittext ?
Nov 19 19:00:44 <t0th_-_> i am in focu in field mensagem, i need Assunto label gray
Nov 19 19:07:26 <rudolf_> I am not able to see cursor even in edit text :(
Nov 19 19:07:41 <rudolf_> I have set cursor visible to true n edit text xml properties.
Nov 19 19:11:38 <pfn> yippee, got my VectorDrawableRender working
Nov 19 19:11:43 <pfn> although, it's limited as hell  :(
Nov 19 19:12:00 <pfn> since material design icons only distributes the vectordrawables in black
Nov 19 19:12:06 <pfn> and expect you to use tinting to change colors...
Nov 19 19:13:08 <pfn> I guess it's not very hard to change the colors though
Nov 19 19:16:12 <g00s> pfn one question about the icons here http://www.google.com/design/icons/
Nov 19 19:16:31 <g00s> you have option to download png or svg. Are the SVGs proper vector drawables using only <path> ?
Nov 19 19:16:44 <pfn> for importing into android? yes
Nov 19 19:17:02 <g00s> ok - and when downloading svg why would it ask me for size ?
Nov 19 19:17:16 <pfn> because svg render to a size by default
Nov 19 19:17:33 <pfn> and download the icon pack in its entirety, you'll get proper vector drawables to use in android
Nov 19 19:17:42 <pfn> otherwise, you have to use a tool like svg2android to convert it
Nov 19 19:17:43 <pfn> which is dumb
Nov 19 19:19:16 <g00s> ok thanks
Nov 19 19:19:52 <pfn> it's stupid that the design/icons site doesn't let you download the vectordrawable directly
Nov 19 19:20:03 <pfn> you either have to download through github, or the entire icon pack
Nov 19 19:20:48 <pfn> but get the vectordrawable and save the step of having to convert svg2android
Nov 19 19:25:08 <g00s> i add the vectorDrawble.xml file to res/drawable and let gradle sort out the mess? or do i need drawable-v21
Nov 19 19:25:15 <pfn> res/drawable
Nov 19 19:25:19 <g00s> ok thanks
Nov 19 19:25:25 <rudolf_> Is there some inbuilt function to replace the selected text of an edit box with a new user input?
Nov 19 19:26:07 <s73v3r> I thought a VectorDrawable was the internal class for a vector asset
Nov 19 19:26:35 <s73v3r> rudolf_: there’s setText, if you want to do it at random. otherwise you can set up a textwatcher to replace as they type
Nov 19 19:26:46 <rudolf_> I have disabled soft keyboard for my app. I have provided the user with a number pad. Now, I want that the selected text of the edit box should be deleted and replaced by whatever key the user presses from the number pad.
Nov 19 19:27:06 <s73v3r> why would there be text in it to start with?
Nov 19 19:27:32 <rudolf_> s73v3r, there will not be. But what if the user decides to edit something which he has typed.
Nov 19 19:27:46 <rudolf_> So he selects the text and presses a new button.
Nov 19 19:28:01 <s73v3r> just use the system numberpad, and that will be handled for you automatically
Nov 19 19:28:38 <rudolf_> But I am trying to make a calculator. The number pad is mine. :(
Nov 19 19:28:52 <rudolf_> Can't provide system pad.
Nov 19 19:29:01 <s73v3r> then you want to have a text watcher on the textfield
Nov 19 19:29:09 <s73v3r> wait, no
Nov 19 19:29:23 <s73v3r> if it’s your numberpad, you should be able to manipulate the text directly
Nov 19 19:29:26 <autrilla> s73v3r: I kind of got it to work with a dirty hack, https://i.gyazo.com/40aeb203d402199d2205b10a33b428c6.png. The drawable's resolution sucks. Is there a way to set the drawable's size, in dpi, and use a higher resolution drawable?
Nov 19 19:30:09 <rudolf_> s73v3r, s73v3r, so do I need to manually program the app to delete the selected text and replace it with new input?
Nov 19 19:30:10 <s73v3r> do you have the different versions of the drawable?
Nov 19 19:30:25 <s73v3r> rudolf_: If that’s what you want it to do
Nov 19 19:30:42 <rudolf_> Ok
Nov 19 19:30:48 <autrilla> s73v3r: I just have one, I resized all of them to 25x25 pixels, so they have the appropriate size on the button on my screen. I guess this won't work for other dpis
Nov 19 19:30:59 <s73v3r> nope
Nov 19 19:31:11 <g00s> pfn uh sorry to ask again, so .. ic_menu_24dp.xml - is the 24dp coded in the filename so the rasterizer knows what size to scale it for mdpi ?
Nov 19 19:31:36 <g00s> (are the tools expecting the size in the filename)
Nov 19 19:31:45 <autrilla> s73v3r: it seems to look fine on IntelliJ's preview, but it may not be the case on actual phones
Nov 19 19:31:53 <pfn> g00s, yes
Nov 19 19:31:55 <pfn> no
Nov 19 19:31:57 <pfn> it's in the vector
Nov 19 19:31:58 <autrilla> I mean, it looks fine, but the resolution is always really bad
Nov 19 19:32:11 <s73v3r> autrilla: You’re gonna have to provide versions at different resolutions
Nov 19 19:32:16 <g00s> hm yeah viewport width/height
Nov 19 19:32:18 <autrilla> I want the icons to be as many pixels as you can get in those dpis
Nov 19 19:32:41 <rudolf_> s73v3r, and as you said, I am using app compat theme and I am not able to see the cursor in the edit text. I googled it and some people are saying it is due to the theme. Is it so?
Nov 19 19:32:51 <s73v3r> i have no idea
Nov 19 19:33:16 <rudolf_> I have even set cursor visible to true.
Nov 19 19:34:57 <autrilla> s73v3r: that doesn't really work. It looks like drawables on buttons don't really care about dpi. If I create a drawable-xxhdpi and put bigger icons there, it just draws the icons huge, to the point they overflow the button
Nov 19 19:37:22 <g00s> hm, ok so its a black icon. how can i use tinting to make it white for my dark theme using support library ?
Nov 19 19:37:51 <g00s> DrawableCompat.setTint hmm
Nov 19 19:39:49 <cmendes0101> I'm trying to register SIP and hitting this error: android.system.ErrnoException: sendto failed: EPERM (Operation not permitted)
Nov 19 19:40:13 <cmendes0101> It works on Lollipop but getting this error on Marshmallow even with all SIP permissions allowed
Nov 19 19:56:23 <g00s> AS 1.5.0 is just mostly bugfixes. i'll take that.
Nov 19 19:56:59 <pfn> g00s, yeah, but not in xml
Nov 19 19:57:10 <pfn> g00s, which is annoying, you need to just copy the vector and replace it with white
Nov 19 19:57:14 <pfn> g00s, to get the correct color
Nov 19 19:57:20 <pfn> unless you *want* to tint programmatically
Nov 19 19:57:44 <g00s> i made things hard for myself by supporting both light / dark theme in my app
Nov 19 19:58:10 <g00s> on 5.0 and above i could probably replace the color with a theme attribute
Nov 19 19:58:25 <pfn> yes, 5.0 and above, you can use android:tint
Nov 19 19:58:37 <pfn> but pre-5.0 you need to make copies of the vector with the color you need
Nov 19 19:58:45 <pfn> or tint in code
Nov 19 19:58:47 * g00s sad panda
Nov 19 20:14:58 <pfn> eh, it's not terrible
Nov 19 20:15:01 <pfn> copying isn't absolutely bad
Nov 19 20:15:20 <pfn> better than the situation before
Nov 19 20:27:31 <g00s> yeah, much better these days. i remember back in froyo - gingerbread, the icon guidelines were such a PITA - with embossing and interior/exterior shadows and glowing, they just gave photoshop settings for all the things
Nov 19 20:27:46 <g00s> flat is so much easier for many devs - and i think it looks better too
Nov 19 20:30:13 <shmoooz> that stuff is all wrong
Nov 19 20:30:18 <adq> damn, Exception in thread "png-cruncher_19" java.lang.RuntimeException: Timed out while waiting for slave aapt process, make sure the aapt execute at .....aapt.exe can run successfully (some anti-virus may block it) or try setting environment variable SLAVE_AAPT_TIMEOUT to a value bigger than 5 seconds
Nov 19 20:30:22 <adq> still not fixed :(((
Nov 19 20:30:52 * pfn has never run into that
Nov 19 20:31:13 <adq> more and more ppl seem to hit it, and also on other platform than windows recently
Nov 19 20:31:26 * pfn also never uses gradle
Nov 19 20:31:26 <pfn> ftw
Nov 19 20:31:45 <g00s> adq can you disable png crushing ?
Nov 19 20:32:12 <shmoooz> I don't think a bunch of fashion people should come along and dictate to everyone what things should look like , that should only be a default suggestion that the user can change as they like with themes and skins and colors
Nov 19 20:32:15 <adq> no idea, i have a bad pseudo fix for that and it's ... (incredible) ... related to d3d on windows
Nov 19 20:32:32 <g00s> >.>
Nov 19 20:32:40 <adq> i have to put into idea.properties: sun.java2d.noddraw=true
Nov 19 20:32:40 <adq>  and sun.java2d.d3d=false
Nov 19 20:32:43 <adq> this is crazy
Nov 19 20:33:21 <adq> otherwise the compilation never finish (yes never), and it also hang the system and AS partially, spawn hundred of aapt instances waiting
Nov 19 20:33:33 <adq> I AM MAD BRO
Nov 19 20:33:56 <g00s> don't get mad, get even !
Nov 19 20:33:59 <adq> and cherry on the cake, stopping gradle does not work (as always), so i need to kill the ide
Nov 19 20:34:07 <Quintasan> I can't get this Fragment to communicate with the host Activity at all – https://gist.github.com/Quintasan/a1822673b520670b7347 . The host activity implements the interface simply just by calling Log.d("Test", id);
Nov 19 20:34:09 <g00s> zomg
Nov 19 20:34:38 <adq> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=183727 <
Nov 19 20:34:44 <adq> august!
Nov 19 20:34:59 <g00s> adq using AS 1.5 and all that new stuff ?
Nov 19 20:35:02 <adq> yes
Nov 19 20:35:04 <g00s> and gradle 1.5.0
Nov 19 20:35:23 <adq> just switched to hope it was fixed few hours ago
Nov 19 20:35:24 <adq> so i'm reenabling this idea.properties file
Nov 19 20:35:30 <pfn> shmoooz, build support for it if you want, the platform doesn't care
Nov 19 20:35:31 <adq> yes got gradle 1.5.0 too since few days
Nov 19 20:35:36 <adq> (and was on beta since weeks)
Nov 19 20:35:59 <adq> g00s, believe i've tried anything and ended up with this weird fix
Nov 19 20:36:19 <shmoooz> this is why android is not the mobile OS of the future, I have yet to build it ;)
Nov 19 20:37:09 <missingno> oh sweet AS 1.5 is out
Nov 19 20:37:13 <g00s> shmoooz i thought gingerbread was the future?
Nov 19 20:37:25 <g00s> or the pinnacle of progress
Nov 19 20:37:41 <shmoooz> g00s: gingerbread is as good as it got , and all down hill from there
Nov 19 20:37:42 <adq> g00s, and how i find it: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=191229#c2
Nov 19 20:37:44 <adq> -__-
Nov 19 20:37:53 <adq> despite unrelated, it does help
Nov 19 20:38:44 <elichai2> Hi
Nov 19 20:38:53 <elichai2> I need help with my nexus 5X
Nov 19 20:39:04 <elichai2> My computer doesn't see it
Nov 19 20:39:05 <elichai2> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33813348/nexus-5x-android-6-0-cant-recognize-in-the-computer
Nov 19 20:39:20 <elichai2> (If you don't know how to help i'll appreciate an upvote, thanks)
Nov 19 20:43:11 <jackhum> i want to have a red google sin in button in my activity with animations . is there any library which provides sign in buttons?
Nov 19 20:43:42 <arussellsaw> hey, i'm doing some beginner custom view stuff
Nov 19 20:44:01 <arussellsaw> how can i center a canvas.drawOval in a view?
Nov 19 20:44:10 <pfn> arussellsaw, onDraw
Nov 19 20:44:27 <g00s> bleh, FF 44 is memory hog. split process, but really only 2 processes (1-web view, 2-plugins). 3 tabs open, 900mb
Nov 19 20:45:47 <arussellsaw> pfn: i was using the same dimensions for my bounds rect as my oval diameter
Nov 19 20:45:50 <arussellsaw> sorted
Nov 19 20:49:00 <arussellsaw> wait no, it's still fucked. so i have a view that is match_parent on width and height, my draw call is just drawing an oval into a square rect
Nov 19 20:49:10 <arussellsaw> how do i center that oval inside the view?
Nov 19 20:49:26 <pfn> arussellsaw, detect the measured size, then draw
Nov 19 20:49:29 <pfn> don't draw before that
Nov 19 20:50:38 <arussellsaw> within the onDraw call? i've overridden onSizeChanged to define the rect size
Nov 19 20:53:06 <pfn> damned if I know, I have no idea how "it's fucked"
Nov 19 20:53:50 <arussellsaw> so the circle i'm drawing is smaller than the width of the view, it's effectively floating left within that view
Nov 19 20:54:15 <arussellsaw> i have an overridden onMeasure that accounts for some padding then calls setMeasuredDimension()
Nov 19 20:54:43 <arussellsaw> and an onSizeChanged that works out the diameter from the whichever is smaller, width or height, then creates a rect from that value
Nov 19 21:00:20 <arussellsaw> so it swapped to using a parent view with gravity="center_horizontal, but i feel like i'll learn that's the wrong way in a while"
Nov 19 21:06:28 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/ec2465ff64a7fd22ab40
Nov 19 21:06:29 <pfn> yay, time to release
Nov 19 21:07:06 <Quintasan> oh
Nov 19 21:07:11 <Quintasan> fuck you google
Nov 19 21:07:35 <Quintasan> void onAttach(Context context) doesn't get called on lower API devices.
Nov 19 21:07:56 <Quintasan> Better mark onAttach(Activitiy activity) as deprecated.
Nov 19 21:10:23 <adq> <arussellsaw> how can i center a canvas.drawOval in a view? << you can also get the width and height of your canvas inside onDraw via canvas.getWidth() and getHeight()
Nov 19 21:10:50 <adq> that should be sufficient to allow you to properly center it (it's half of them for the center)
Nov 19 21:11:01 <arussellsaw> adq: isn't that inadvisable during onDraw() though?
Nov 19 21:11:12 <adq> not really
Nov 19 21:11:23 <adq> this will not allocate anything, just be sure the canvas is not null
Nov 19 21:12:07 <adq> but you can also retrieve the width and height with onResize iirc, but careful, you will get 0 sometimes
Nov 19 21:12:22 <arussellsaw> cool, cheers.
Nov 19 21:12:30 <Quintasan> oh fuck now I have to refactor everything to use support Fragment
Nov 19 21:12:40 <Quintasan> Blargh
Nov 19 21:12:41 <Quintasan> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=183358
Nov 19 21:12:49 <adq> oops, i meant within, not with (don't call yourself onresize)
Nov 19 21:12:59 <arussellsaw> now i'm finding that a canvas.drawOval() from a rect obtained from onSizeChanged is exceeding the size of the view...
Nov 19 21:13:27 <adq> log your value, understand that your canvas can be bigger than what you see depending on your layouts, etc
Nov 19 21:14:00 <adq> you could also draw some solid colored rect to help you understand what is happening and where
Nov 19 21:14:30 <adq> and oval != circle
Nov 19 21:14:55 <arussellsaw> i dunno whether the highlight in the view preview is actually lying, looks centered from afar
Nov 19 21:14:56 <adq> so if you took the wrong side (width or height) for the radius..
Nov 19 21:15:17 <arussellsaw> the rect is a Math.min(width,height)
Nov 19 21:15:23 <arussellsaw> so all sides are equal
Nov 19 21:15:55 <arussellsaw> i'm not even doing anything useful yet, just trying to get an understanding of how views behave
Nov 19 21:17:22 <arussellsaw> i'm actually a Go developer by day, Java is pretty jarring to me (no pun intended)
Nov 19 21:17:28 <arussellsaw> or maybe i did intend the pun
Nov 19 21:18:39 <Ashiren> well http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d7/d785fec083b7e269625aa197a0f689e129f22e86dd1331ace26b3362f313be6a.jpg
Nov 19 21:22:32 <arussellsaw> i wonder if this might be easier in react native
Nov 19 21:22:39 <arussellsaw> probably the wrong crowd, but still
Nov 19 21:23:22 <Quintasan> arussellsaw: Coming from Ruby land Java seems like writing more code just for sake of writing more code.
Nov 19 21:23:57 <arussellsaw> Quintasan: i feel like the android framework is pretty heavy too
Nov 19 21:23:59 <adq> http://projects.haykranen.nl/java/ entreprisify your project
Nov 19 21:24:03 <adq> :')
Nov 19 21:24:06 <Quintasan> kek
Nov 19 21:24:23 <Quintasan> IteratorMethodWorkerFilterMockStubProducerMessageIteratorHttpProxy
Nov 19 21:24:31 <Quintasan> Phew.
Nov 19 21:48:52 <DadFoundMy> fuck samsung
Nov 19 21:48:55 <DadFoundMy> fuck samsung so hard
Nov 19 21:49:12 <DadFoundMy> a few days ago I posted that I was pushing an app into production without much testing
Nov 19 21:49:35 <DadFoundMy> everything went well, no bug.... except for a single bug that is only an issue with samsung devices running 4.2
Nov 19 21:50:03 <DadFoundMy> I'm not even doing anything crazy its litteraly just with appcompat v7
Nov 19 21:50:06 <DadFoundMy> fuck samsung
Nov 19 21:50:48 <s73v3r> I am willing to bet that when you posted that, we all told you this would happen
Nov 19 21:51:15 <DadFoundMy> you did
Nov 19 21:51:19 <DadFoundMy> you absolutely did
Nov 19 21:51:37 <DadFoundMy> One said "did you test on samsung, if not your boned"
Nov 19 21:53:49 <Anthaas> I went and got a Nexus 6P the other day.
Nov 19 21:53:53 <Anthaas> Hasn't bent yet.
Nov 19 21:54:02 <Anthaas> Saying that, I have only been using it as a phone, and not a frisbee.
Nov 19 22:13:43 <saml> hey is there an open source application that runs http server in the back and UI is web view or something?
Nov 19 22:14:56 <s73v3r> i don’t know of any offhand, but I don’t see why you would do that
Nov 19 22:15:33 <s73v3r> the big benefit of webviews is that you can update them without having to go through update mechanisms like the play store
Nov 19 22:16:07 <saml> so that i can package it as a desktop app (single jar) or android app (and possibly create a web site in the future)
Nov 19 22:16:49 <saml> maybe i'll just make a web site
Nov 19 22:16:55 <s73v3r> probably your best bet
Nov 19 22:17:04 <s73v3r> then you’d get support on iOS too
Nov 19 22:17:13 <saml> whoa
Nov 19 22:17:40 <saml> i wanted to make it work offline. and do "publish" only when internet is working
Nov 19 22:18:19 <saml> so, by having local server on android.. the app just works off line. and publish part is when i have external web site (api)
Nov 19 22:19:04 <s73v3r> why server, and not just use the webview?
Nov 19 22:19:35 <s73v3r> and package the html files with the app
Nov 19 22:20:04 <pfn> Quintasan, support fragments are the only way to go, unless you have a restriction which prevents using support fragments, i.e. working within the android framework itself
Nov 19 22:20:08 <saml> it needs to hold some local data. i guess i could look into html5 local storage and similar
Nov 19 22:20:30 <Quintasan> pfn: I kind or realized that after the fact :P
Nov 19 22:20:33 <Quintasan> of*
Nov 19 22:20:41 <pfn> and refactoring that is generally easy
Nov 19 22:21:19 <Quintasan> Fortunately I was using only Fragment so I just had to reimport some stuff and use getSupportFragmentManager.
Nov 19 22:23:49 <pfn> anyway, wootwoot, builder updated to 1.5.0
Nov 19 22:24:06 <Quintasan> I wish I had more time so I could write it in Scala
Nov 19 22:24:10 <Quintasan> Goddamn thesis.
Nov 19 22:24:17 <pfn> takes less time
Nov 19 22:24:24 <pfn> but if you don't know scala, I guess it takes double the time
Nov 19 22:24:33 <Quintasan> I don't think I'm proficient in Scala enough.
Nov 19 22:24:52 <pfn> now time to rip out all the material icons I downloaded from my apps
Nov 19 22:24:54 <pfn> and use the vector drawables
Nov 19 23:05:50 <drose379> Is the IDE sometimes wrong when it tells me a condition is "always false"
Nov 19 23:06:05 <drose379> Its telling me that on something and I'm 99% sure it could be true at certain times
Nov 19 23:07:35 <drose379> If anyone is interested, I'll show code
Nov 19 23:08:43 <s73v3r>  it’s not always correct
Nov 19 23:09:14 <drose379> Ok, hmm. One moment
Nov 19 23:09:41 <Mavrik> Hrmf.
Nov 19 23:09:55 <Mavrik> I haven't seen the linter be wrong on the always true/false analysis, it's very conservative anyway.
Nov 19 23:10:34 <drose379> Im setting the item value in a click listener
Nov 19 23:10:42 <drose379> That may have something to do with it
Nov 19 23:11:03 <drose379> But I just figured it out, it was my conditional statements that never let it reach an inner else if
Nov 19 23:12:02 <drose379> Hmm, not sure actually
Nov 19 23:15:31 <pfn> I have never seen the IDE be wrong about a condition being always false or always true
Nov 19 23:16:11 <drose379> Yeah, it was right
Nov 19 23:49:02 <vigilancer> pfn : wtf. they jumped from one beta to another?
Nov 19 23:49:09 <pfn> vigilancer, ?
Nov 19 23:50:01 <vigilancer> >>builder updated to 1.5.0.  |  I thought you were talking about gradle plugin
Nov 19 23:50:16 <TacticalJoke> 1.5.0 is not beta.
Nov 19 23:50:29 <vigilancer> TacticalJoke : http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system
Nov 19 23:51:28 <TacticalJoke> https://bintray.com/android/android-tools/com.android.tools.build.gradle/view
Nov 19 23:52:11 <vigilancer> so many way to find wrong answer
Nov 19 23:52:13 <vigilancer> thanks
Nov 19 23:52:17 <TacticalJoke> The only one they missed was 1.4.0.
Nov 19 23:52:19 <pfn> vigilancer, ?
Nov 19 23:52:43 <vigilancer> >>builder updated to 1.5.0.  |  I thought you were talking about gradle plugin pfn
Nov 19 23:52:51 <pfn> ?
Nov 19 23:52:55 <pfn> talking about what
Nov 19 23:52:56 <pfn> no
Nov 19 23:53:01 <pfn> I never talk about the gradle plugin
Nov 19 23:53:12 <pfn> but the android builders are versioned the same as the gradle plugin
Nov 19 23:53:34 <TacticalJoke> vigilancer:  Not sure why they didn't document 1.5.0 on the page you linked to.  Weird.
Nov 19 23:54:06 <vigilancer> TacticalJoke : agree. and only 1.5.0-beta1
Nov 19 23:54:34 <vigilancer> pfn : what's android builder?
Nov 19 23:56:13 <pfn> vigilancer, the common build for android
Nov 19 23:58:37 <Gaffen> Can anyone give me some advice on arrayadapters in use with autocompletetextviews?
Nov 19 23:59:01 <Gaffen> Specifically notifyDataSetChanged and the dropdown
Nov 19 23:59:08 <vigilancer> pfn: don't get it) can you provide link or something?
Nov 20 00:02:12 <pfn> vigilancer, no
Nov 20 00:02:47 <vigilancer> pfn: please? =D
Nov 20 00:02:55 <pfn> google it
Nov 20 00:03:00 <pfn> iut's nothing that matters to you
Nov 20 00:03:08 <Gaffen> I'm trying to call notifyDataSetChanged from the AutocompleteTextView using ((ArrayAdapter) autoComplete.getAdapter()).notifyDataSetChanged(), but it's not updating the dropdown list until I dismiss it and bring it up again
Nov 20 00:03:28 <vigilancer> pfn : how do you know what's matters to me
Nov 20 00:04:01 <vigilancer> pfn : http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.android.tools.build/gradle/1.5.0 ?
Nov 20 00:05:30 <drose379> Setting the status bar color to transparent makes it take the background color of the root view right?
Nov 20 00:06:07 <s73v3r> it takes whatever is behind it
Nov 20 00:06:28 <s73v3r> so if you’ve got a picture, it will do the picture
Nov 20 00:06:50 <horny-sama> when the android manual is talking about bitmap they are referring only to .bmp not jpg or png?
Nov 20 00:07:00 <s73v3r> nope
Nov 20 00:07:07 <drose379> s73v3r, I have just one linearlayout with a background color and its not taking the color
Nov 20 00:07:10 <drose379> Cant figure out why
Nov 20 00:07:30 <horny-sama> s73v3r: are you referring to my question?
Nov 20 00:07:35 <s73v3r> yes
Nov 20 00:07:49 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  What colour is it showing?  I can't remember trying that.
Nov 20 00:07:53 <TacticalJoke> I also can't try right now.
Nov 20 00:07:54 <drose379> Just a white
Nov 20 00:08:23 <horny-sama> s73v3r: thank, I always thought Bitmap in android means bmp
Nov 20 00:09:05 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Maybe it shows the home-screen wallpaper.
Nov 20 00:09:41 <drose379> No not that
Nov 20 00:09:45 <drose379> Ive had this working forever, hmm
Nov 20 00:10:33 <s73v3r> does this help: http://blog.raffaeu.com/archive/2015/04/11/android-and-the-transparent-status-bar.aspx
Nov 20 00:10:43 <horny-sama> fyi, window phone marketshare drops again
Nov 20 00:11:04 <drose379> Ill take a look at that, thanks s73v3r
Nov 20 00:13:06 <drose379> Ok its working for every activity except for my main activity
Nov 20 00:13:14 <drose379> And the status bar is not translucent
Nov 20 00:13:22 <drose379> Its just the dark primary color automatically
Nov 20 00:13:44 <drose379> And on incompatable devices, its just black
Nov 20 00:14:41 <g00s> horny-sama that sucks, the lack of competition is making everyone complacent
Nov 20 00:15:25 <horny-sama> g00s: at least now I know I can focus on one platiform instead of having to worry that android will go away in 2 yrs
Nov 20 00:15:26 <horny-sama> :P
Nov 20 00:19:55 <drose379> Why would the status bar not get colored for only one of my activities?
Nov 20 00:20:46 <g00s> drose379 maybe wrong theme ?
Nov 20 00:20:47 <drose379> Im not doing anything special with the layout, its an empty linear
Nov 20 00:20:56 <drose379> Isnt the theme the same for all activities?
Nov 20 00:21:12 <g00s> not unless its set on Application
Nov 20 00:21:18 <g00s> if i recall
Nov 20 00:21:33 <drose379> This is my MainActivity, its the only one with a white status bar
Nov 20 00:21:44 <drose379> I just dont see why the other ones are different
Nov 20 00:21:45 <g00s> and Make sure you are using the right Activity class
Nov 20 00:21:58 <g00s> AppCompatActivity
Nov 20 00:22:04 <g00s> i'm sure pits pebkac
Nov 20 00:22:32 <drose379> Yeah they are all AppCompatActivity children g00s
Nov 20 00:23:05 <drose379> Damn
Nov 20 00:23:11 <drose379> Its in the manifest.. wtf
Nov 20 00:23:12 <s73v3r> i believe you can set per activity themes in the manifest
Nov 20 00:23:32 <drose379> Yep, sorry to waste peoples time w that
Nov 20 00:23:48 <s73v3r> no, it’s fine. it’s not something that a lot of people would think of right away
Nov 20 00:24:21 <liuwenhao> Does anyone here use the new data binding tools in production code? Any downside to it (other than learning curve)?
Nov 20 00:26:32 <drose379> Ok now for some reason my keyboard is opening right when the Activity opens
Nov 20 00:26:40 <lahwran> how hard would it be to use multidex, but only in test mode?
Nov 20 00:30:56 <drose379> What animals do you guys think these represent? http://i.imgur.com/hTnxFFu.png
Nov 20 00:31:11 <ecofriendly> dog, cat, dragon
Nov 20 00:31:33 <drose379> If I told you this was a pet adoption app would it make a difference for you ecofriendly
Nov 20 00:31:42 <ecofriendly> dog, cat lizard
Nov 20 00:31:55 <drose379> Hmm, ok. Let me show you a short screen recording of what it actually does
Nov 20 00:32:14 <TacticalJoke> I was thinking "dog, cat, Jurassic Park extra".
Nov 20 00:32:49 <drose379> It actually means "Other", I picked a dinosar because people will know you obviusly cannot adopt a dinosoar, so they may either think its "Other", or be curious and click on it
Nov 20 00:33:00 <drose379> As opposed to a pig icon or something, they may think it just means "Pig"
Nov 20 00:33:04 <drose379> https://vid.me/pQwi
Nov 20 00:33:12 <drose379> Theres the recording of what happens on click
Nov 20 00:33:45 <TacticalJoke> It's not obvious that it means "other".
Nov 20 00:34:08 <drose379> It might be the closest animal icon that means other
Nov 20 00:34:15 <TacticalJoke> lol
Nov 20 00:34:30 <TacticalJoke> I imagine game show: "Which of these animal icons represents 'other'?"
Nov 20 00:34:37 <drose379> lol
Nov 20 00:34:54 <TacticalJoke> Couldn't you have an ellipsis or something?
Nov 20 00:34:57 <drose379> You come into the app looking for a goat... You see dog, cat, dino.. Which would you try first?
Nov 20 00:35:02 <drose379> Seriously ^
Nov 20 00:35:22 <DrSheep> if you come looking for a goat does it put you on The List
Nov 20 00:35:26 <DrSheep> because it needs to
Nov 20 00:35:33 <drose379> What list?
Nov 20 00:35:39 <DrSheep> say no more
Nov 20 00:35:58 <drose379> TacticalJoke, I could have a "...", but I wanted to keep all animal icons
Nov 20 00:36:10 <s73v3r> what’s wrong with words?
Nov 20 00:36:10 <TacticalJoke> How about a collection of animals at the bottom?
Nov 20 00:36:14 <TacticalJoke> Cow, pic, sheep, etc.
Nov 20 00:36:18 <TacticalJoke> Then it's more obvious.
Nov 20 00:36:28 <TacticalJoke> Just a bunch of animals posing for the camera.
Nov 20 00:36:44 <drose379> Like smaller icons going horizontal below the Dog and Cat?
Nov 20 00:36:45 <TacticalJoke> s/pic/pig/
Nov 20 00:37:06 <TacticalJoke> I mean one icon with multiple animals.  Though maybe you don't have access to such a thing.
Nov 20 00:37:22 <drose379> No they would have to be seperate
Nov 20 00:37:30 <drose379> I may like that better though then this one dragon
Nov 20 00:37:40 <drose379> Maybe ill try that, yeah
Nov 20 00:38:06 <TacticalJoke> Other than that, I agree with s73v3r: words would probably work there.
Nov 20 00:38:32 <drose379> I think I'll try the multiple icons first though, agreed?
Nov 20 00:42:08 <drose379> Ha, they have some cool animal icons for this
Nov 20 00:42:23 <drose379> You guys should check out icons8.com
Nov 20 00:42:24 <TacticalJoke> Where are you getting the icons (if you can say)?
Nov 20 00:42:26 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Nov 20 00:42:50 <drose379> Have you used it before?
Nov 20 00:43:07 <s73v3r> nope. I’ve used Font Awesome, though
Nov 20 00:43:14 <TacticalJoke> Nah.
Nov 20 00:43:22 <drose379> How do you guys prepare the icons for hdpi,mdpi,etc
Nov 20 00:43:26 <drose379> I use Android Icon Generator
Nov 20 00:43:28 <drose379> A online tool
Nov 20 00:43:44 <s73v3r> I believe that tool only works for a set number of built in icons
Nov 20 00:43:59 <drose379> Oh, its been working fine for me
Nov 20 00:44:09 <TacticalJoke> drose379: https://icons8.com/web-app/for/all/more
Nov 20 00:44:13 <ecofriendly> i think you'd be better off changing the last icon
Nov 20 00:44:15 <ecofriendly> people will be confused
Nov 20 00:44:38 <ecofriendly> possibly put multiple animals in the same image, prompting the users to click on it
Nov 20 00:44:58 <drose379> I dont have PhotoShop so I prob cant do that
Nov 20 00:44:58 <drose379> Hmm
Nov 20 00:45:18 <drose379> TacticalJoke, the problem with having all the icons layed out smaller, below the cat is that there are 7
Nov 20 00:45:24 <s73v3r> download any free image editor, that should work
Nov 20 00:45:24 <drose379> If 6, I could do 2 rows of 3
Nov 20 00:45:26 <drose379> But now I cant
Nov 20 00:46:17 <drose379> Maybe just a paw print..
Nov 20 00:46:36 <TacticalJoke> That's too dog-like.
Nov 20 00:46:36 <s73v3r> naw. then it’ll be confused with a dog or cat
Nov 20 00:46:49 <drose379> Or an "?" icon
Nov 20 00:47:38 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Did you see the "..." ones?
Nov 20 00:47:56 <drose379> Havent looked
Nov 20 00:48:17 <TacticalJoke> "?" doesn't suggest "more".
Nov 20 00:48:42 <drose379> What about:
Nov 20 00:48:47 <drose379> https://icons8.com/web-app/for/color/More
Nov 20 00:49:15 <drose379> Or maybe just a "+"
Nov 20 00:49:24 <s73v3r> definitely not a
Nov 20 00:49:25 <TacticalJoke> "Plus" suggests "add", not "more".
Nov 20 00:49:27 <s73v3r> “+”
Nov 20 00:49:39 <drose379> See more
Nov 20 00:49:42 <TacticalJoke> That blue "..." looks good.
Nov 20 00:49:57 <drose379> I guess it all comes back to: https://icons8.com/web-app/for/color/see%20more
Nov 20 00:50:24 <s73v3r> the ellipsis is probably the best if you don’t have something to throw images together
Nov 20 00:50:48 <s73v3r> otherwise I like the idea of a bunch of animals together better than that, and having words on there mroe
Nov 20 00:51:05 <drose379> I want to do the bunch of smaller animal icons
Nov 20 00:51:08 <drose379> But there are 7
Nov 20 00:51:14 <drose379> So theres no clean way to lay it out
Nov 20 00:51:37 <drose379> Unless I pick one, make it a major
Nov 20 00:51:39 <drose379> Then I have 6
Nov 20 00:51:41 <s73v3r> find an eight?
Nov 20 00:51:53 <drose379> I cant, I'm using an API and these animals are all they offer
Nov 20 00:52:11 <drose379> Im thinking of making "Pig" a major (With dog and cat), then the last 6 in a smaller grid
Nov 20 00:52:16 <s73v3r> do you have to have all the animals in the image, though?
Nov 20 00:52:25 <drose379> I have access to icons for all of them
Nov 20 00:52:37 <drose379> So they are seperately clickable, no more dialog
Nov 20 00:52:42 <drose379> Although I did like the dialog... damn
Nov 20 00:53:20 <drose379> Hmmm
Nov 20 00:53:27 <s73v3r> i would imagine 90% of people are going to be using either dog or cat. So having them separately clickable makes sense
Nov 20 00:53:38 <s73v3r> but the others? Maybe not so much
Nov 20 00:53:45 <drose379> Yep, they would be smaller icons below the dog and cat
Nov 20 00:53:52 <drose379> [][][][]
Nov 20 00:53:53 <drose379> [][][]
Nov 20 00:53:56 <drose379> Centered
Nov 20 00:54:01 <drose379> Those would be the small icons below cat and dog
Nov 20 00:54:16 <s73v3r> but are they only clickable as one, or are they separately clickable?
Nov 20 00:54:22 <drose379> Seperately
Nov 20 00:54:28 <drose379> There would be some padding to make it easy to click
Nov 20 00:54:31 <TacticalJoke> Oh, I meant all as one when I made that suggestion.
Nov 20 00:54:32 <drose379> Not padding, margin
Nov 20 00:54:43 <TacticalJoke> Though I guess the other way might work.
Nov 20 00:54:57 <drose379> Would spice up the (Kinda boring) activity too
Nov 20 00:55:03 <s73v3r> yeah, we were thinking the group of them together would be one button
Nov 20 00:55:14 <drose379> Are you against the all clickable seperately?
Nov 20 00:55:39 <drose379> You know what, I could simulate them being all one: No matter what one you click, the dialog comes up, and you pick
Nov 20 00:56:06 <drose379> Whats wrong with seperately clickable though
Nov 20 00:56:06 <TacticalJoke> I guess getting rid of the dialog would be cool if you can do it.
Nov 20 00:56:13 <drose379> I think I can
Nov 20 00:56:14 <TacticalJoke> If it works, it'll be a better UX.
Nov 20 00:56:21 <drose379> I wonder if I have the real estate for this
Nov 20 00:56:24 <TacticalJoke> Could you make them each smaller than the dog and cat?
Nov 20 00:56:26 <drose379> Icons will have to be pretty small
Nov 20 00:56:29 <drose379> Yeah, they can be a lot smaller
Nov 20 00:56:35 <drose379> WILL, at that
Nov 20 00:56:48 <TacticalJoke> It might work.
Nov 20 00:56:48 <drose379> Most likely about half the size
Nov 20 00:57:01 <drose379> I think I'll give it a go, will you guys be here in about an hour maybe?
Nov 20 00:59:03 <TacticalJoke> I have no choice.  They don't let me leave.
Nov 20 00:59:34 <drose379> Lol
Nov 20 01:01:03 <drose379> Have you guys read 1984
Nov 20 01:06:10 <TacticalJoke> I never got around to reading that.  :s
Nov 20 01:06:26 <drose379> What you said just reminded me of it
Nov 20 01:14:03 <drose379> TacticalJoke, s73v3r the gist, would have diff icons for each..
Nov 20 01:14:03 <drose379> http://i.imgur.com/AkzICVe.png
Nov 20 01:14:41 <drose379> Might be easier to tell when all the legit icons are in place, it just looks weird with all pigs :P
Nov 20 01:15:33 <TacticalJoke> Looks a bit crowded to me.
Nov 20 01:15:43 <TacticalJoke> I'd go with "..." or "more".
Nov 20 01:15:58 <TacticalJoke> Unless you can find a multi-animal image somewhere else.
Nov 20 01:16:21 <drose379> I think it will look different with all the different icons
Nov 20 01:16:34 <drose379> I honesly think it looks crowded cause its all the same icons
Nov 20 01:17:03 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, AS 1.5 comes with Gradle 2.8.  That's new, right?
Nov 20 01:22:02 <TacticalJoke> It does seem faster here.
Nov 20 01:22:07 <drose379> Haha theres 2 sheep icons
Nov 20 01:22:11 <drose379> Sheep and "Sheep on a bike"
Nov 20 01:22:16 <drose379> https://icons8.com/web-app/for/color/sheep
Nov 20 01:22:25 <drose379> Check that out lol ^
Nov 20 01:25:30 <drose379> Hmm, mickey mouse for "Small & furry" ?
Nov 20 01:33:41 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/qicr/commit/98cc9f685960f36ea01d381a1567ce54c4bfbbbc
Nov 20 01:33:51 <pfn> yay, ditched all my material icon .png's for vectordrawables
Nov 20 01:34:25 <pfn> now I need to fix the lint errors  :-/
Nov 20 01:35:06 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/2c58af65505cb9b8dee1
Nov 20 01:35:07 <pfn> :(
Nov 20 01:35:11 <g00s> pfn VS Code even has Scala support now :O
Nov 20 01:35:15 <g00s> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items/itryapitsin.Scala
Nov 20 01:35:38 <drose379> Anyone know how much margin a FAB should have from bottom right corner?
Nov 20 01:35:43 <drose379> Doesnt specify in the material guide
Nov 20 01:35:47 <pfn> drose379, design guidelines state
Nov 20 01:35:50 <s73v3r> i think it’s just standard
Nov 20 01:35:51 <pfn> 8 or 16dp
Nov 20 01:36:25 <drose379> Thanks
Nov 20 01:36:44 <TacticalJoke> The AS 1.5 release notes don't mention Gradle 2.8.  I wonder whether that's the thing in the box.
Nov 20 01:37:26 <g00s> TacticalJoke i think the box is jack and jill :D
Nov 20 01:37:35 <g00s> or java 8
Nov 20 01:37:59 <drose379> Ok TacticalJoke and whoever else has an opinion: http://i.imgur.com/2Q8yTLP.png
Nov 20 01:38:51 <leecherby> hey everyone, first time here... you guys all developing android as a job? hobby? for fun?
Nov 20 01:38:52 <TacticalJoke> I still think it's too crowded.
Nov 20 01:38:59 <s73v3r> agreed
Nov 20 01:39:00 <pfn> no one makes money doing android dev
Nov 20 01:39:05 <TacticalJoke> You had a good thing going before, drose379.
Nov 20 01:39:05 <leecherby> :D
Nov 20 01:39:10 <TacticalJoke> A nice simple central column.
Nov 20 01:39:16 <s73v3r> they make money working for companies
Nov 20 01:39:38 <s73v3r> drose379: I think you’re better off putting them all together in one image
Nov 20 01:39:41 <pfn> lint.xml: <issue id="NewApi"><ignore path="src/main/res/drawable"/></issue>
Nov 20 01:39:43 <pfn> that's easy enough
Nov 20 01:41:02 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  This (from a JetBrains employee) was interesting: "nothing prevents the @kotlin team from writing a compiler that works in the same way as Jack/Jill": https://twitter.com/intelliyole/status/667396584016080896
Nov 20 01:41:36 <drose379> s73v3r, what if that is all one image?
Nov 20 01:41:59 <s73v3r> they should probably be closer together, then
Nov 20 01:42:09 <drose379> Itd be too crowded then
Nov 20 01:42:13 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  IMO, only the top four go well with the cat and dog icons.
Nov 20 01:42:36 <s73v3r> i say take four, put them in a square, and call that the third option
Nov 20 01:42:44 <s73v3r> that should communicate “other” farily well
Nov 20 01:42:44 <drose379> TacticalJoke, theres other icon choices for the bottom ones
Nov 20 01:42:46 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, you could put those top four together.
Nov 20 01:43:04 <TacticalJoke> Maybe put them in a clickable FrameLayout or something.
Nov 20 01:43:04 <drose379> Then what about the others?
Nov 20 01:43:13 <s73v3r> get rid of them
Nov 20 01:43:33 <s73v3r> the API call should still bring back the same thing that it’s bringing back for “other”, but you don’t have to have them on the icon
Nov 20 01:43:50 <drose379> Theres no API call for "other"
Nov 20 01:43:59 <drose379> Each icon represents sometihng
Nov 20 01:44:13 <drose379> pig, rabbit, bird, horse, barnyard, reptile, mouse
Nov 20 01:44:18 <s73v3r> then what were you going to do when you were thinking of having the elipsis?
Nov 20 01:44:26 <drose379> Have a dialog pop up
Nov 20 01:44:32 <drose379> They pick from the dialog
Nov 20 01:45:12 <TacticalJoke> What about a "more" down arrow that shows a bunch of other animals to choose from?
Nov 20 01:45:14 <s73v3r> in that case, I’d put the cat and dog side by side, about the same size they are now, and then put the others below that
Nov 20 01:45:14 <TacticalJoke> Then no dialog is needed.
Nov 20 01:45:43 <drose379> I like what you just said s73v3r
Nov 20 01:46:19 <drose379> But why? Do you think the "sub" icons should be bigger?
Nov 20 01:46:29 <drose379> Or just too crowded?
Nov 20 01:46:40 <s73v3r> i think they’d be fine the size they are
Nov 20 01:46:55 <drose379> Ok, just free up some space by making the top 2 horizontal?
Nov 20 01:46:59 <s73v3r> i just think that right now, the visual pattern isn’t good
Nov 20 01:47:16 <s73v3r> yeah, right know it kinda forms an arrow down
Nov 20 01:47:20 <drose379> Yeah, I think horizontal top will be better
Nov 20 01:47:36 <drose379> Let me try that
Nov 20 01:48:37 <leecherby> guys I have some few generic questions before I hit the "PUBLISH" button in the dev console
Nov 20 01:48:45 <leecherby> can I change the description and other stuff later on?
Nov 20 01:48:54 <leecherby> or do I have to delist for that etc
Nov 20 01:49:08 <leecherby> (doing this as a true beginner so it's my first time :D)
Nov 20 01:49:40 <drose379> What are you publishing?
Nov 20 01:49:48 <leecherby> doesn't really matter in this context
Nov 20 01:49:57 <leecherby> pretty much an app that replaces the homescreen
Nov 20 01:49:57 <ecofriendly> so
Nov 20 01:50:00 <leecherby> quick application launching etc
Nov 20 01:50:01 <ecofriendly> does anyone here know how to use the NDK
Nov 20 01:50:19 <drose379> A launcher leecherby ?
Nov 20 01:50:26 <leecherby> + voice launch in my language
Nov 20 01:50:35 <leecherby> using some other service than google for that
Nov 20 01:50:45 <leecherby> + text to speech that doesn't work in my language
Nov 20 01:50:46 <leecherby> it's a prototype
Nov 20 01:50:56 <leecherby> JSON + mp3 etc xD
Nov 20 01:50:59 <drose379> Id like to try it
Nov 20 01:51:01 <leecherby> stupid shit in bigger picture but it's a prototype
Nov 20 01:51:10 <leecherby> but atm if I only select my country
Nov 20 01:51:15 <leecherby> will I be able to link it to someone else?
Nov 20 01:51:20 <drose379> Yeah do you have the apk
Nov 20 01:51:23 <leecherby> not alpha, beta but production
Nov 20 01:51:31 <leecherby> yeah I have everything uploaded and ready to hit the publish button
Nov 20 01:51:50 <leecherby> I don't have for alpha/beta
Nov 20 01:51:54 <leecherby> doing it as part of university stuff
Nov 20 01:51:57 <leecherby> (bachelors)
Nov 20 01:52:09 <leecherby> I don't have time for alpha/beta*
Nov 20 01:52:11 <drose379> Is it for senior project?
Nov 20 01:52:16 <leecherby> well pretty much
Nov 20 01:52:25 <leecherby> the development part in it isn't really important though
Nov 20 01:52:30 <leecherby> the university just wants the written part mostly
Nov 20 01:52:34 <leecherby> that's what I'll get my grade on
Nov 20 01:52:45 <leecherby> the development part is just like... an extra :D
Nov 20 01:52:46 <drose379> Cool, did they give you an asssignment, or just told you to make something up
Nov 20 01:53:04 <leecherby> well at first I was going to do an app for a local MMA club but I didn't get the materials to post so I gave up
Nov 20 01:53:08 <leecherby> then I thought I'll code Python instead
Nov 20 01:53:16 <leecherby> but university told me that I should have analyzed before coding
Nov 20 01:53:21 <leecherby> so I ended up with a whole another topic
Nov 20 01:53:32 <drose379> Want to email me the APK
Nov 20 01:53:37 <leecherby> pretty much making an app in my language (that isn't popular, 1 mil ppl) that would assist the visually impaired
Nov 20 01:53:51 <leecherby> I can, no idea if it will work for you (coding for my LG G3, supporting API 15 and up)
Nov 20 01:54:02 <drose379> Yeah it should work, what is your languge
Nov 20 01:54:10 <leecherby> it's supporting Estonian and English atm
Nov 20 01:54:21 <leecherby> I have never published anything before on the app store though :D
Nov 20 01:54:28 <drose379> Awesome, neither have I
Nov 20 01:54:33 <drose379> Want me to message you my email
Nov 20 01:54:37 <leecherby> yeah you can PM it
Nov 20 01:54:45 <leecherby> but overall
Nov 20 01:54:50 <leecherby> should I just enable all countries
Nov 20 01:54:53 <leecherby> or should I select my own
Nov 20 01:54:57 <leecherby> to not pollute the generic app market
Nov 20 01:54:59 <drose379> TacticalJoke, s73v3r: http://i.imgur.com/JoWtrXx.png
Nov 20 01:55:52 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, not bad.
Nov 20 01:56:03 <TacticalJoke> I would consider making the dog and cat slightly bigger, I think.
Nov 20 01:56:03 <drose379> Hmm
Nov 20 01:56:11 <drose379> Bigger, it would get blurry
Nov 20 01:56:27 <TacticalJoke> Ah, okay.
Nov 20 01:56:43 <drose379> So thats the max size really
Nov 20 01:56:46 <TacticalJoke> I think it'd also look a lot better if you replaced the FAB with "NEXT".
Nov 20 01:57:05 <TacticalJoke> The FAB feels weird on there.
Nov 20 01:57:22 <TacticalJoke> Just my view.
Nov 20 01:57:36 <drose379> You mean just a real button
Nov 20 01:58:31 <drose379> In the center?
Nov 20 02:00:39 <TacticalJoke> I mean this kind of thing: http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Android-5.0-Lollipop-Setup-2-640x290.jpg
Nov 20 02:00:49 <drose379> Damn I really really really like that
Nov 20 02:00:53 <drose379> How the hell do I do that
Nov 20 02:01:15 <TacticalJoke> They're just TextViews, I think.
Nov 20 02:01:58 <TacticalJoke> Maybe they're in a ViewGroup (but you don't have to do that).
Nov 20 02:02:02 <alex_PP> looks like a button with a background of ?attr/selectableItemBackground and a green chevron as drawableRight
Nov 20 02:02:30 <drose379> Im gonna try the textview
Nov 20 02:02:41 <drose379> Well with the textview ill just get the text no icon
Nov 20 02:02:41 <TacticalJoke> alex_PP:  Isn't that equal to a TextView, then?
Nov 20 02:02:46 <drose379> So ill do a LinearLayout
Nov 20 02:02:56 <drose379> With a ImageView for ">" and a textview
Nov 20 02:03:18 <drose379> Would a linearlayout be ok TacticalJoke ?
Nov 20 02:03:59 <TacticalJoke> I think the simplest solution is a FrameLayout with two children whose gravity values are left and right (or start and end).
Nov 20 02:04:23 <drose379> What would be at the left?
Nov 20 02:04:42 <TacticalJoke> The "back" thing.
Nov 20 02:04:49 <drose379> Oh theres not much to go back to
Nov 20 02:04:52 <TacticalJoke> Though you don't have to do that (the Back button does it already).
Nov 20 02:04:54 <drose379> Unless I put this in the next activitytoo
Nov 20 02:05:38 <drose379> Hmm, maybe yeah
Nov 20 02:06:31 <alex_PP> TacticalJoke: almost
Nov 20 02:06:40 <alex_PP> nice to have semantic layouts though
Nov 20 02:09:36 <drose379> I wonder what color it should be
Nov 20 02:11:25 <drose379> TacticalJoke, Any idea how high it should be? Is it called anything so I can look it up in material specs
Nov 20 02:13:57 <TacticalJoke> Not sure whether it's in the material thing.
Nov 20 02:14:07 <drose379> Is there a way to add shadow?
Nov 20 02:16:24 <alex_PP> in what sense, drose379?
Nov 20 02:16:30 <alex_PP> elevation?
Nov 20 02:17:01 <drose379> Yes
Nov 20 02:17:05 <drose379> Although not sure if this needs it
Nov 20 02:17:16 <pfn> elevation is lollipop and newer only
Nov 20 02:17:26 <drose379> Ah ok
Nov 20 02:21:25 <g00s> Elevation is u2 song
Nov 20 02:21:34 <TacticalJoke> I always think of that song. lol
Nov 20 02:21:42 <TacticalJoke> It's been in my head for the past few minutes.
Nov 20 02:25:10 <drose379> Ok TacticalJoke heres that: http://i.imgur.com/UtRN5Vo.png
Nov 20 02:27:13 <DrSheep> question: will you let me take a snake and kittens at the same time?
Nov 20 02:27:21 <drose379> Nope, one animal at a time
Nov 20 02:27:34 <drose379> But for dogs and cats, you can select up to 3 breeds at a time
Nov 20 02:28:39 <TacticalJoke> lol DrSheep
Nov 20 02:29:36 <drose379> Do you think the bottom toolbar looks right?
Nov 20 02:30:38 <TacticalJoke> Are you using an actual Toolbar?
Nov 20 02:30:44 <drose379> On the bottom? No
Nov 20 02:30:47 <drose379> Its a LinearLayout
Nov 20 02:31:10 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure; I feel like the "NEXT" thing should be closer to the right, but I have no idea how "material" that'd be.
Nov 20 02:31:28 <drose379> The text should have less margin between the icon you mean?
Nov 20 02:31:41 <TacticalJoke> I mean the whole "NEXT >" thing.
Nov 20 02:31:54 <drose379> A little less margin then?
Nov 20 02:32:05 <TacticalJoke> Also, you don't *have* to use a background colour for the bar (although I guess it works).
Nov 20 02:32:24 <drose379> Yeah I kinda like the background on it
Nov 20 02:32:47 <drose379> Either way I gotta implement the functionality now
Nov 20 02:32:51 <drose379> The fun part
Nov 20 02:34:27 <Jonno_FTW> why didn't google release a floating action button?
Nov 20 02:34:57 <g00s> they did O.o
Nov 20 02:35:03 <Jonno_FTW> where?
Nov 20 02:35:12 <Jonno_FTW> whenever I google it's just 3rd party libraries
Nov 20 02:35:18 <g00s> support library
Nov 20 02:35:30 <Jonno_FTW> ah
Nov 20 02:35:56 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Just wondering -- why did you use a LinearLayout for that?
Nov 20 02:36:01 <TacticalJoke> A FrameLayout seems perfect.
Nov 20 02:36:07 <drose379> What would be the difference
Nov 20 02:36:39 <TacticalJoke> I guess there'd be no real performance difference (if any) since the children are so simple.  I just wouldn't even consider LinearLayout here, personally.
Nov 20 02:37:16 <drose379> I just have no experience with FrameLayout
Nov 20 02:39:05 <TacticalJoke> It allows you to position views using layout_gravity (and it supports margins).
Nov 20 02:39:12 <TacticalJoke> It's simpler than LinearLayout.
Nov 20 02:39:36 <drose379> Sounds just like linearlayout though
Nov 20 02:40:30 <TacticalJoke> LinearLayout is for arranging children in a row or column, which is not what you're doing here.
Nov 20 02:40:57 <TacticalJoke> Here, you just want to display one child (or perhaps two children) on the right (and maybe also left).  This is what FrameLayout is good for.
Nov 20 02:41:31 <drose379> I guess, but they are also in a column :D
Nov 20 02:41:36 <drose379> Actually, a row
Nov 20 02:43:20 <TacticalJoke> Oh, sorry, I didn't realise that you're showing two views for each thing.  I thought it was one "NEXT >" view.  Okay, I see why you're using LinearLayout now.
Nov 20 02:43:32 <drose379> Oh alright, cool
Nov 20 02:43:38 <drose379> Maybe Ill try Frame next time though
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