**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 23 03:00:35 2015 Nov 23 03:00:47 WebView will always be inferior/slower than native code Nov 23 03:01:19 WebView has a lot of problems Nov 23 03:03:32 i know its not supported on android tv Nov 23 03:49:31 gordon_, plugin is. unnecessary, just add the dependency Nov 23 03:50:05 gordon_, like I said, u2020 uses dagger Nov 23 03:50:21 gordon_, and the annotation processor, I showed you how it's done Nov 23 04:44:09 mornin' all Nov 23 04:46:44 hey alex_PP Nov 23 04:47:03 anything interesting happing in android today? Nov 23 04:47:08 *happening Nov 23 04:47:17 alex_PP i guess the summit is Monday Nov 23 04:47:22 can't concetrate on work, monday Nov 23 04:47:25 summit? Nov 23 04:47:33 android summit Nov 23 04:47:37 linky? Nov 23 04:48:16 hm, well here is the live feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYin_N6xXxQ Nov 23 04:48:24 i'm sure some googling will turn up more Nov 23 04:48:41 hmm Nov 23 04:48:51 12 hours off, i will be very asleep by then Nov 23 04:48:59 suppose they'll post the videos afterwards Nov 23 04:49:37 wonder what'll be in 9:45 Android App Arch. Nov 23 04:49:45 that might be interesting Nov 23 04:50:16 wow, i can't believe in 2015 i can't format linkedIn job descriptions. Nov 23 04:50:23 god they suck Nov 23 04:50:49 i was hoping somebody by now would have replaced them Nov 23 04:52:02 they should at least have markdown abilities, cmon Nov 23 04:52:39 I wonder how instant run will work Nov 23 04:53:15 I imagine that will be unveiled as what's in the box Nov 23 04:56:13 wonder if it will be beta or ready to use :P Nov 23 04:56:28 notice i said "OR" Nov 23 04:58:02 Hello Nov 23 04:59:47 doesn't matter, bugs exist in all software regardless of calling it beta Nov 23 05:20:50 alex_PP there is also a day 2 Nov 23 05:21:08 "3:30pm Developing for Android: The Naughty Bits" lol Nov 23 05:21:18 wonder what this is Nov 23 05:21:23 *that is Nov 23 06:20:47 Should there be any speed difference in Google API intel images and non-API one's? Nov 23 07:28:57 It's Romain's presentation, he's done a similar one before Nov 23 07:34:22 CedricBeust does romain work with the android guys at all any more? i thought he was in robotics now or something Nov 23 07:36:30 Yeah not really any more Nov 23 07:39:56 huh. so if you want divider in NavigationView you need a group with unique Id ... but then checkable behavior gets messed up because thats local to Nov 23 07:41:33 pfn did you add any nigh/dark icons to resources? Nov 23 07:42:02 hm nm will check Nov 23 07:44:53 CedricBeust are you giving any talks at future android conferences? Nov 23 07:49:17 Not in the near future, might resume doing that next year Nov 23 08:38:36 Where is getHeaderFields from httpurlconnection implememted Nov 23 08:39:18 Because apparently httpurlconnection inherits from urlconnection which only defines a stub Nov 23 09:00:29 Hi all, I need to show a new Fragment with an animation from the bottom to half screen (height). When the user swipe up, the fragment must go 'full screen'. Any advice? Nov 23 10:32:19 hi, from gcm page: Note: There is a limit of 100 messages that can be stored without collapsing Nov 23 10:33:19 is this per senderId or per each device that the message was sent? Nov 23 10:49:27 I'm trying to figure something out. Nov 23 10:50:07 the ndk samples have apply plugin: 'com.android.module.application' Nov 23 10:50:16 but when I create a new project. Nov 23 10:50:19 apply plugin: 'com.android.application' Nov 23 10:50:47 Why are they different Nov 23 10:53:54 I just don't get why some of them have model Nov 23 10:54:07 You sure it's module, and not model? com.android.model.application is for the gradle-experimental plugin Nov 23 10:54:30 I misstyped it here. Nov 23 10:54:40 Here's a copy paste Nov 23 10:54:41 apply plugin: 'com.android.model.application' Nov 23 10:54:51 Why are they different Nov 23 10:55:53 Because it's different plugins Nov 23 10:56:36 But why? How Nov 23 10:57:23 If the NDK samples are up to date, why are they using dated plugins? Or are they the new one? Nov 23 10:57:48 Google gradle-experimental.. Should explain it Nov 23 10:57:50 I don't mean to sound frustrated or curt.. I'm really trying to suss this out. Nov 23 10:58:19 Eh? Nov 23 10:58:50 What do you mean gradle-experimental Nov 23 11:01:52 Ah there it is. Nov 23 11:03:08 hey! how do you return from an activity to the previous activity? i read on stackoverflow i'd just have to call finish, but in my case it closes the entire app Nov 23 11:05:34 d'oh i was calling finish in the main activity..nervermind Nov 23 11:12:50 Hello, is it possible somwhere to get Material icons in XML format? I saw thath example project import xml files for this 5 icons in drawables Nov 23 11:25:29 Hello, recently, many users of my app have this kind of error : java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Failed to allocate a 276 byte allocation with 16777216 free bytes and 363MB until OOM; failed due to fragmentation (required continguous free 32768 bytes for a new buffer where largest contiguous free 20480 bytes) Nov 23 11:26:26 Any idea how to fix it ? Everything was working fine. Could it be linked with the 5.0 Android version ? Nov 23 11:27:00 I precise it happen when loading simple files, not bitmap or big stuff like that Nov 23 12:23:44 Is it possible to START Google Maps with several waypoints? I searched through StackOverflow and all responses are talking about starting Google Maps from point A to point B. I want it to display a path from A to B through points C D and E. Starting navigation for that would be simply marvelous but at least I'd like to start Google Maps and show the route. Nov 23 12:23:55 * Zharf sad Nov 23 12:24:33 my phone's screen not reacting to touch anymore... I guess 4 years is as far as it'll take me :E Nov 23 12:25:04 need to find a new phone... Nov 23 12:29:16 how do i find the reason behind ”Unable to compute hash of classes.jar”? Nov 23 12:29:32 proguard trouble.. Nov 23 13:01:54 Do you guys know any Github project that have a simple implementation of the billing API? I want to study it a little bit. Nov 23 13:03:40 i made a google play account 2 years ago and paid the fee. it still seems to be active but i havnt uploaded any apps yet. should everything still be ok? that i had my play account for so long with no apps uploaded yet Nov 23 13:21:20 is there a way to "download" a local file? I am trying to make my app save files to the download folder. The problem is that they are not visible when using the local "Downloads" App! I read, that this would be because of the fact that they weren't actually downloaded. So i tryed to make a download with the DownloadManager and pass an Uri of a local file. But this causes an illegal argument exception because DownloadManager can only handle http/h Nov 23 13:29:12 Hey, Im working with google's Camera2 API sample which uses TextureViewer for preview, I'm trying to modify that code to use SurfaceView istead.... I cant get the preview going.... Anyone familiar with tha sample code? Nov 23 14:17:40 is it considered bad practice to have a horizontal scrollview in a tabbed layout that can also horizontally scroll? Nov 23 14:22:44 is there a way to "download" a local file? I am trying to make my app save files to the download folder. The problem is that they are not visible when using the local "Downloads" App! I read, that this would be because of the fact that they weren't actually downloaded. So i tryed to make a download with the DownloadManager and pass an Uri of a local file. But this causes an illegal argument exception because DownloadManager can only handle http/h Nov 23 14:23:12 Hi Nov 23 14:24:26 I have written this code :http://pastebin.com/Gn0HtVsK , for a listview with 2 items per row. I am getting it but there is something wrong. The listview is displaying every entry 2 times. See this: http://tinypic.com/r/213f60l/9 Nov 23 14:24:41 Can anyone point out the mistake please. Nov 23 14:33:47 I just checked. On every notifyDataSetChanged, it is changing all the entries of the list to the new value added to this list. Nov 23 14:47:05 So the only problem is that on updating the listview arraylist, it is setting all the items to the new entry in the arraylist. Nov 23 14:58:53 What do you mean rudolf_ Nov 23 15:00:05 drose379, something weird is happening. Whenever I add a new entry to my arralist, all the values in the list get changed to the new entry added. Nov 23 15:01:40 That is weird, could be something with how you are recycling your views Nov 23 15:04:21 drose379, this is the log: http://pastebin.com/WkNjPZsJ Nov 23 15:04:38 I have printed the list on every update. See what is happening. Nov 23 15:05:31 On the 1st update, I add "3-8" and "=-5.0" to the list. So the first and the second element both get changed to this. Nov 23 15:05:57 Now on the 2nd update, I add "8-8" and "=0.0" and see what happened to the list Nov 23 15:06:46 drose379, is it the views? Or is it something wrong with the arrayList? Nov 23 15:07:57 All your items reference the same array (update) Nov 23 15:08:08 When you change values in that array, all items that use it are changed Nov 23 15:08:26 SimonVT, how should I add a new entry then? Nov 23 15:08:38 Without affecting the previous entries/ Nov 23 15:08:47 Don't use the same array for all entries Nov 23 15:09:31 Hello, in my logcat i have a LOT of "in isSyncFinished posting message with delay of 4sec" from MTPRx. Is it normal ? The device seems to be very slow... Nov 23 15:09:46 So can I do history.add(new String[] {"string1", "string2"}) ? , SimonVT Nov 23 15:09:59 mtR_: physical device or emulator? Nov 23 15:10:02 Yes, that creates a new array Nov 23 15:10:09 Ok...lemme try it. Nov 23 15:11:28 huh Nov 23 15:11:35 liuwenhao: physical device Nov 23 15:11:53 Great, it works SimonVT :) Thanks a lot Nov 23 15:12:18 it seems very slow since i am on 5.0 Android Nov 23 15:12:56 Btw how do I create a listView with empty initial data source? Nov 23 15:14:02 give it an empty adapter Nov 23 15:22:42 pfn, thanks..I used setEmptyView() Nov 23 15:23:23 Oh, you mean you want to make it look different when it's empty Nov 23 15:26:49 pfn, not in any different way. I just wanted it not to throw any error if the data array is empty. Nov 23 15:29:46 setEmptyView doesn't prevent any errors... Nov 23 15:31:09 pfn, does it throw error if my data source is empty? Nov 23 15:31:45 It is not...I just checked lol Nov 23 15:31:58 So what is the use of empty adapter then? Nov 23 15:34:21 Is it normal to have a lot of message from Android : "in isSyncFinished posting message with delay of 4sec" from MTPRx tag Nov 23 15:38:38 So im trying to check if something in a JSONObject is null, but even if I do if ( json.getString("x") != null ) , its throwing a JSONException Nov 23 15:38:43 Any way around that? Nov 23 15:40:48 Ah, isNull() Nov 23 15:41:52 rudolf_, you're the one that asked to set an empty adapter Nov 23 15:52:49 pfn, yes...i thought there will be some error if the data is empty. Nov 23 15:53:08 But it is not giving any error for empty data. Nov 23 15:53:18 So why do we use empty adapter? Nov 23 15:53:39 Its not giving you an error because getCount is returning 0 Nov 23 15:53:51 Why do you think it should give an error? Nov 23 15:54:28 rudolf_, no one does Nov 23 15:55:01 Ah...i just dint know about empty adapter that's why I asked. Nov 23 15:55:09 Why are you using an empty list? Nov 23 15:55:09 'sup peeps? Nov 23 15:57:11 drose379, initially I have an arraylist that is empty. So I thought I would need something to handle an empty arraylist. Nov 23 15:57:25 you thought wrong Nov 23 15:57:32 Basically ^ Nov 23 15:57:35 Yes :) I understand now Nov 23 15:57:48 rudolf_, Why are you starting empty though? Nov 23 15:58:03 anyone want to give me a hand on picking out headset? Nov 23 15:58:20 horny-sama: for your phone or your computer? Nov 23 15:58:28 Ankhwatcher: computer Nov 23 15:58:29 Should I grab http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950PB3319 or http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45413 Nov 23 15:58:38 basically my price range is 40 ish cad Nov 23 15:58:39 drose379, because I am storing calculation history in a list. Initially it will be empty. Nov 23 15:58:44 Got it Nov 23 15:58:52 Making a calculator application? Nov 23 15:59:07 there's nothing wrong with having an empty list Nov 23 15:59:10 it's absolutely normal Nov 23 15:59:21 for a boy your age Nov 23 15:59:51 Haha Nov 23 16:00:01 drose379, yep...my first one :) Nov 23 16:00:04 No wasent saying there was anything wrong, just wondering what hes working on Nov 23 16:00:08 Cool rudolf_ good luck Nov 23 16:00:53 Anyone have experience with character encoding? Apostrophes coming from the API I am using are coming out funky Nov 23 16:00:56 Thanks...first version is done drose379 Nov 23 16:00:58 Check this out: Nov 23 16:00:59 don\xc3\xa2\xc2\x80\xc2\x99t call there Nov 23 16:01:14 rudolf_, msg me and I'll give you my email and I'll try the APK Nov 23 16:01:22 horny-sama: I suck at choosing those things, you don't want my help Nov 23 16:01:43 ok Nov 23 16:02:29 Anyone see what I pasted? The ' in the text I am getting is coming out like this Nov 23 16:02:44 Supposed to be: don't Nov 23 16:02:46 Is: don\xc3\xa2\xc2\x80\xc2\x99t Nov 23 16:03:13 I see a ´ Nov 23 16:03:15 the one I use at the moment was a gift from a friend, it has a constant background hum from my gaming rig and yet it's still the best gaming headset I've used with that computer Nov 23 16:03:55 danijoo_, is that what all those mean? Nov 23 16:05:16 you must decode and encode proberly Nov 23 16:05:31 Well that is coming from an API, so I would have to decode right? Nov 23 16:05:42 pfn http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2015/11/android-studio-20-preview.html?linkId=18972843 Nov 23 16:06:00 g00s, and yes, dark/light icons for every image Nov 23 16:06:31 g00s, yeah, that's what I thought Nov 23 16:06:51 totally didn't suspect AS 2.0 Nov 23 16:07:04 g00s, well, version numbers are overrated Nov 23 16:07:15 I did expect instant run, though, based on what you linked the other day Nov 23 16:07:25 instant run is enough of a feature for them to call AS 2.0, imo Nov 23 16:08:52 Hey guys, could you shine light uppon me: how do you go about loading images in recycler view? In my case, I have recyclerview which contains cardviews and cardview basically has textview and imageview. Nov 23 16:09:37 I use Picasso Nov 23 16:10:43 drose379, so basically, you access images using Picasso in RecyclerViewAdapter onBindViewHolder? Nov 23 16:11:10 pfn i guess google did this all in-house? don't recall they buying any startups that offered that feature Nov 23 16:11:26 g00s, probably Nov 23 16:11:33 g00s, bazel got them halfway there already Nov 23 16:11:40 and is this just resources or are they shipping class files too Nov 23 16:11:49 do you know how this apps sets Android wireless radio into high performance mode ? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.shiof.wifienhance Nov 23 16:11:56 g00s, no idea, watch the summit to see Nov 23 16:12:20 i don't know, but seems a prank app Nov 23 16:12:39 ech0s7, decompile and read source :p Nov 23 16:13:06 danijoo_: for sure i will do, but as last chance Nov 23 16:16:12 you expect us to decompile and read the source for you? Nov 23 16:16:45 ech0s7, by being a f'in scam, I'd say Nov 23 16:16:46 heh Nov 23 16:16:56 pfn: no, but i'm asking if you know some API to do that Nov 23 16:17:07 no. there is no api to do that. Nov 23 16:17:27 It's typical signal booster scamware Nov 23 16:18:24 I love the idea people have that somehow it would be in a manufacturers best interest to decrease the performance of the device :P Nov 23 16:19:01 and that there's some magical way to make the radio more powerful. it's the same mentality that thinks a gas additive will get them another 10mpg :P Nov 23 16:19:08 dragorn, well, there are battery concerns and wifi Nov 23 16:19:36 pfn, yup, and everything turns on maximum power saving, which does f-all with consumer APs Nov 23 16:19:37 dragorn, I remember there was defragmenter for battery which "increases" your battery lifespan. Nov 23 16:19:53 And it was in Google play store Nov 23 16:20:03 pfn, since most home APs don't implement power save at all, and have it turned off by default even if they do :P Nov 23 16:20:30 dragorn, yeah, but AP power saving is independent of client power saving, is it not Nov 23 16:20:59 pfn, not really. there's a whole coordination system where the AP will hold packets for delivery to a PS client Nov 23 16:21:15 hmm, is that so Nov 23 16:21:19 I thought they just got dropped' Nov 23 16:21:24 pfn, but the client has to notify and they have to syncronize vis the bss timestamp, because the client doesn't say "i'm ready now", it just says, "I'll listen at this millisecond" Nov 23 16:21:42 and the AP spits out packets when it thinks it's time, and maybe the client listened, maybe it didn't Nov 23 16:21:48 powersave on wifi is pretty janky Nov 23 16:22:33 you can adjust your tx power on the client, but it's kind of a losing game - if you drop your tx power, you decrease your signal fidelity, which decreases your link speed, which makes you spend more time with the radio on to send a packet Nov 23 16:22:48 and there's no API to do that, anyhow Nov 23 16:22:58 dragorn: adjust your tx power ?? Nov 23 16:23:01 how do you do that ? Nov 23 16:23:08 ech0s7, you don't. Nov 23 16:23:21 dragorn if you increase your tx power too much can't you also degrade performance, as the amplifier introduces more distortion ? Nov 23 16:23:30 certainly not without root, and depending on the drivers and firmware, which are typically hugely stripped down in mobile, you may not be able to period Nov 23 16:23:37 g00s, yes, if you amp beyond spec Nov 23 16:23:37 g00s, you run into signal clipping issues Nov 23 16:23:41 g00s, but not distortion Nov 23 16:23:46 pfn, you get both Nov 23 16:23:51 pfn, there's a lot of shit amps Nov 23 16:24:06 all hail the 741 ! Nov 23 16:24:07 well, clipping is a form of distortion Nov 23 16:24:10 more so in APs than in clients, at leats, before you get into the wacky high power clients Nov 23 16:24:18 pfn just added nonlinearities Nov 23 16:24:48 ok, got my qicr app icon fixed to be a vector now, yay Nov 23 16:24:50 you also tend to get absurd spread from the DSSS stuff on the lower encodings, i've seen older APs over-amped just crap across the entire 2.4 spectrum Nov 23 16:25:04 the ofdm stuff is a little sharper on the edges but you still get all sorts of terrible stuff when you over-amp Nov 23 16:25:39 there's also 802.11d specs, which encode the region code and the power transmit level maps in the beacons, so the AP tells you your max tx levels Nov 23 16:25:59 basically so a US or EU client obeys the right regulatory limits in another country, by consensus of the APs it's near Nov 23 16:26:03 weird, I'm getting a strange crash on gingerbread now Nov 23 16:26:11 I wonder if it's time to retire gb support for qicr Nov 23 16:26:23 that's encoded down into the mac80211/nl80211 layer usually tho, if not in the firmware itself Nov 23 16:28:17 pfn, btw, the stuff I was talking about was PSM, there's also UAPS-D which tries to do a client poll "I'm awake, send me pending data now", and they sort of extended that into WMM and PSMP in 11n, so it's not QUITE as idiotic as it used to be Nov 23 16:28:51 pfn, but all that should impact connection latency rather than throughput, since you have to wait for the powersave wakeup to initiate, but once you're going, the client shouldn't be going to sleep Nov 23 16:29:45 pfn, I still haven't seen uaps-d implemented in home gear, tho I'd bet that the google AP does it. unfortunately the google ap was also shit in a lot of other regards so mine is sitting in a box somewhere. Nov 23 16:29:50 http://android-developers.blogspot.fr/2015/11/android-studio-20-preview.html?linkId=18972843 fear Nov 23 16:30:10 pfn, everyone doing 11n does wmm which does some degree of power save tho Nov 23 16:30:23 summit starts in 30 minutes :) Nov 23 16:31:07 well if you don't clip, you will increase the noise amplitude Nov 23 16:31:21 if you clip, it's indeed a form of distortion Nov 23 16:31:37 g00s, anyhow, you should be able to range anywhere up to your max. the bad times come when everyone decided to go over the max via firmware hacks. Nov 23 16:32:35 adq, the WRTs everyone loved to hack displayed a number of horrible effects when you overamped them. good times. All sorts of distortion, plus center clipping, plus horrible bleedover. Nov 23 16:32:44 adq, fortunately they also couldn't take the heat and tended to burn themselves up :P Nov 23 16:32:50 :D Nov 23 16:33:06 talking about signal, i improved a lot my visualizer: https://vid.me/zPfU Nov 23 16:33:18 fft ftw Nov 23 16:33:20 i've got some nice spectrum plots of horrible amped WRTs somewhere Nov 23 16:33:40 i don't cheat and zero pad the signal yet Nov 23 16:33:43 adq, nice Nov 23 16:34:07 dragorn pfn did you guys see this http://digg.com/video/brightest-flashlight-led-video Nov 23 16:34:08 but i would love even a bigger fft window side, but when you zero pad you need to upsample (because my signal is not periodic) Nov 23 16:34:19 and this is extremely consuming + you have to take care of aliasing, etc Nov 23 16:34:26 s/side/size/ Nov 23 16:34:33 adq, related, you might dig this - gr-fosfor... it's for SDR, but it's a FFT and waterfall done in opencl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjD-l3GAghU Nov 23 16:34:41 wooo thx, looking at it Nov 23 16:34:51 cause i haven't port the fft stuff on renderscript, but i might in the future (for fun) Nov 23 16:34:51 adq, I can crank 40msamps @ 16bit on an intel gpu Nov 23 16:35:09 it's actually fast enough you can see the 10hz beacons on wifi Nov 23 16:35:13 fft is done in java (with the fftpack port from fortran, pretty efficient) Nov 23 16:35:23 damn this is a nice vizualizer you shown me Nov 23 16:35:56 adq, it's input is IQ sampling from a SDR, so interleaved 16bit samples Nov 23 16:36:30 he could plot it in 3D with so many windows at same time :D Nov 23 16:37:39 lol did not know beacon have a particular freq, but it makes sense since they are always the same Nov 23 16:37:53 beacons are only containing the SSID name right? Nov 23 16:37:54 adq, standard spec is 10 beacons a second Nov 23 16:38:07 adq, they transmit at the same center frequency as the AP, but it's a 10hz rate Nov 23 16:38:13 yup Nov 23 16:38:24 if they are periodic, you might have a freq indeed Nov 23 16:38:41 and the data inside you make the same amplitude Nov 23 16:39:04 adq, beacons are pretty complex. ssid, encryption, power save, vendor extensions, country code extensions Nov 23 16:39:07 modulo the amplitude signal which varies of course Nov 23 16:39:27 if your looking at a mostly idle network you can see the beacon strobe pretty clearly Nov 23 16:39:27 oh ok but that data payload does not vary i imagined Nov 23 16:39:51 maybe the BSSID sequence num or other stuff vary though Nov 23 16:40:02 long time i haven't looked at wifi packets Nov 23 16:46:30 1000W? lol Nov 23 16:48:43 g00s, you there? Nov 23 16:48:53 drose379 yeah Nov 23 16:49:00 Whats up man Nov 23 16:49:14 I think we have talked a few times about the pet adoption app I am working on, no? Nov 23 16:49:40 drose379 waiting for dev summit in 10 minutes Nov 23 16:49:58 Oh ok I suppose you're busy then Nov 23 16:50:01 yeah, cool project Nov 23 16:50:07 I got a question for you Nov 23 16:50:30 ok, quick Nov 23 16:50:32 Theres already a PetFinder app, and it does basically the same thing, so im trying to develop some areas where my app has an edge over the existing one Nov 23 16:50:44 eh , dont' bother Nov 23 16:50:47 Im thinking of keeping track of how many views each pet has had Nov 23 16:50:48 http://ezscreens.appspot.com/view/58f1/gb+crash Nov 23 16:50:52 if there is already one, and it hits the official api Nov 23 16:50:58 meh, hate this crash, can't tell wtf is the view with the problem at all Nov 23 16:50:58 And also keeping track of how many favorites Nov 23 16:51:40 Would that make sense g00s Nov 23 16:51:56 drose379 can't ask me, have to ask your users Nov 23 16:52:00 i'm not a user :) Nov 23 16:52:09 No users yet man Nov 23 16:52:22 dont expect 'build it and they will come' Nov 23 16:52:29 But what were you saying before, you were saying "if there is already one, and it hits the official api" Nov 23 16:52:29 ... Nov 23 16:52:29 thats for the movies Nov 23 16:52:40 No I have a marketing strategy Nov 23 16:53:46 nah, jus tdon't build niche apps Nov 23 16:53:48 and they will come Nov 23 16:54:03 Eh, this isnt too niche Nov 23 16:54:19 * danijoo_ built a niche app - they came Nov 23 16:54:29 What is it danijoo_ Nov 23 16:54:45 drose379, I dont advertise here :p Nov 23 16:55:14 Is it possible to START Google Maps with several waypoints? I searched through StackOverflow and all responses are talking about starting Google Maps from point A to point B. I want it to display a path from A to B through points C D and E. Starting navigation for that would be simply marvelous but at least I'd like to start Google Maps and show the route. Nov 23 16:55:22 Really danijoo_ ok Nov 23 16:55:35 Where do you advertise then Nov 23 16:55:48 i dont advertise Nov 23 16:56:05 How can I find your app on the GPS Nov 23 16:56:08 i spent 50$ for advertising in 2 years. It got me 2 installs :P Nov 23 16:56:35 lol Nov 23 16:56:37 (on reddit, targeted to a single subreddit btw) Nov 23 16:56:49 i think its about $5 per head now danijoo_ Nov 23 16:56:52 $4 Nov 23 16:56:55 I dont really think my project is niche Nov 23 16:56:58 Do you guys? Nov 23 16:58:03 drose379 going by the prevailing power laws of usage pretty much everything is niche after Fb and twitter :P Nov 23 16:58:25 I mean, nearly 8 million dogs and cats go to shelters every year, if this app can help get 10 thousand more adopted then before, its a success Nov 23 16:58:26 but of there is a free official version i don't see what you plan on gaining from another app Nov 23 16:58:51 g00s, the existing free official version looks like crap to me Nov 23 16:58:57 g00s, you forgot whatsapp :p Nov 23 16:58:57 And I want to add some features Nov 23 16:59:01 the app is just the tip of the iceberg for the petfinder 'service' Nov 23 16:59:12 yeah fuck that drose379 Nov 23 16:59:22 unless you are doing this just for fun Nov 23 16:59:25 dragorn, https://vid.me/zPfU (sorry couldn't resist) Nov 23 16:59:29 erff wrong link Nov 23 16:59:34 http://i.imgur.com/QGsE3bJ.jpg Nov 23 16:59:44 Doing it to get something on the play store Nov 23 16:59:51 And cause I think its a good app Nov 23 16:59:53 drose379, you cant beat an app that already has its user base unless you have _lots of_ better features Nov 23 17:00:00 Heres the existing https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.discovery.petfinder Nov 23 17:00:03 because people dont change if hey have one Nov 23 17:00:06 drose379 and make sure if you go ahead you have written perimission to use their stuff Nov 23 17:00:13 so when google comes around, you have a story Nov 23 17:00:33 imho its not worth it Nov 23 17:01:02 definitly worth to finish it just of the exp. if its your first app though Nov 23 17:01:23 Ive worked on others but never finished, so Im definitely going to finish this one Nov 23 17:01:25 its almost done Nov 23 17:01:33 danijoo_ unless it gets the account in hot water Nov 23 17:01:42 Theres one big feature im adding that I think people will really like Nov 23 17:01:53 If anyone wants to hear it Nov 23 17:01:56 g00s, true Nov 23 17:02:34 So in the existing version, you can search by breed, age, etc. Im adding a feature so you can search by traits, incase you dont know exactly what breed you want Nov 23 17:02:58 So, "House Trained", "Good with Cats", "Good with Small children", "Good with other dogs" Nov 23 17:03:09 Things like that Nov 23 17:03:40 from the comfort of their home, most people want all the good traits. its not until they visit the shelter when impulse kicks in from cute overload ;) Nov 23 17:04:00 drose379 don't make an app thats a missing feature from another app ;) Nov 23 17:04:31 Not just _A_, theres a few Im adding Nov 23 17:05:17 drose379 sorry to be so negative, this is 2015 not 2010 ;) Nov 23 17:05:40 No problem, you are trying to help, but what do you mean by that Nov 23 17:08:47 Plus the app has some dismal reviews Nov 23 17:09:07 this is so weird... Nov 23 17:09:34 What is? Nov 23 17:10:54 after years, they add cts ^^ Nov 23 17:11:07 cts? Nov 23 17:11:18 something's giving me the same object back even though I expect it to give a different object Nov 23 17:11:18 summit Nov 23 17:11:45 but only occurs on gingerbread Nov 23 17:11:52 g00s, leaving me hanging about what you meant by the year thing Nov 23 17:12:01 minSdkVersion=16 :> Nov 23 17:12:07 drose379 watching the summit Nov 23 17:12:12 Got it Nov 23 17:12:41 https://gist.github.com/pfn/409d2ca8ccc47c71432d Nov 23 17:12:54 https://gist.github.com/pfn/409d2ca8ccc47c71432d#file-createview-scala-L10-L13 Nov 23 17:13:00 * pfn shrugs Nov 23 17:13:39 on gingerbread, for some reason, layout.perform() returns the same view object Nov 23 17:13:43 which is insanely weird Nov 23 17:14:16 19:13:45 IllegalArgumentException: Argument for @NotNull parameter 'aFileName' of com/intellij/openapi/util/io/FileUtil.toSystemIndependentName must not be null On AS 2.0 Nov 23 17:16:28 Hey. Has anyone worked with p2p Wifi Direct? I was wondering if it's possible to get an approximation of how near or far another device is from yours Nov 23 17:16:45 It doesn't have to come down to the centimeter, but a rough idea of whether the device is close or on the edge of your wifi range Nov 23 17:18:45 next generation emulator :D Nov 23 17:19:28 adb push speed - thats interessting Nov 23 17:19:30 faster adb push speeds ! \o/ Nov 23 17:19:47 How can you create a bottom bar like on instagram? Nov 23 17:19:47 I've got some ideas for an app that relies on finding physically nearby users with the same app installed, but I'm not sure if it's technically feasible Nov 23 17:19:47 or rather, where to start Nov 23 17:20:30 wow, that looks great Nov 23 17:20:43 ThePendulum: how nearby? Nov 23 17:20:44 ¨we took all the features of genymotion and added them to the stock emulator¨ :D Nov 23 17:21:03 wish/hope it has BT though Nov 23 17:22:12 orbyt_: thinking a few meters, unfortunately outside NFC's scope. Wifi Direct might be just the right range, but I think it might be just a little too wide, hence I was wondering if it's possible to know at what kind of range detected devices are Nov 23 17:22:34 "spent countless hours debugging" Nov 23 17:22:36 20cm would get a little awkward, you'd have to butt bump others to get a match Nov 23 17:24:09 bluetooth is another option, but it sounds like it'll be way too slow Nov 23 17:24:38 ThePendulum: have you looked at the Nearby api? Im not sure how complete it is but id look into that. Other than that, you could just store gps locations and run queries of the db to find nearby users Nov 23 17:25:21 hmm, GPS might work although I wasn't looking to require accurate locations for the app Nov 23 17:25:59 Nearby sounds interesting, although I think it requires other devices to be connected to the same network? Nov 23 17:26:13 thus if there isn't a 3rd party hotspot both are connected though, they won't be able to find eachother Nov 23 17:26:49 lifecode Nov 23 17:26:50 from what ive read thats only the "nearby connections" portion of the api that requires them to be on the same network. The rest will work with any internet connection Nov 23 17:27:11 pfn, (instant run == death of protify)? Nov 23 17:27:21 adq, other build system ;) Nov 23 17:27:25 Oh, yeah, looking into it now Nov 23 17:27:35 same, downloading the canary preview in // Nov 23 17:28:21