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Dec 07 03:05:58 <drose379> Weird issue with CheckBoxes, isChecked() is coming up TRUE even when its not
Dec 07 03:07:44 <TacticalJoke> Seems like something that shouldn't happen: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/master/core/java/android/widget/CompoundButton.java#132
Dec 07 03:08:56 <drose379> Thanks TacticalJoke
Dec 07 03:31:45 <MrJones> hi
Dec 07 03:32:06 <MrJones> I have a problem with an app where I instantiate a class in @onCreate of my single activity
Dec 07 03:32:29 <MrJones> I get all log messages twice, and when I print "this" inside the class I get *two different instances*
Dec 07 03:32:47 <MrJones> although I only create one in a single point in the app in @onCreate
Dec 07 03:33:13 <MrJones> is this some sort of weird android studio bug that results in the app main activity being launched twice at the same time??
Dec 07 03:34:22 <TacticalJoke> MrJones:  Your description sounds a bit odd.  What does instantiating some class have to do with log messages appearing twice?
Dec 07 03:35:08 <MrJones> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3588682/is-it-normal-for-the-activity-oncreate-method-to-be-called-multiple-times well that sucks, seems to be an android bug when using threads and runnables - I use both.
Dec 07 03:35:37 <MrJones> TacticalJoke: obviously I get the log messages twice when the class prints something, that is how I finally figured out that @onCreate runs through twice at the app start and I have two instances running of everything
Dec 07 03:36:19 <TacticalJoke> It's not normal for onCreate to be called twice.
Dec 07 03:36:32 <MrJones> read the stackoverflow link
Dec 07 03:36:37 <MrJones> sadly I don't seem to be the only one..
Dec 07 03:36:59 <MrJones> second-to-top response matches what I am seeing
Dec 07 03:37:02 <TacticalJoke> You shouldn't assume a StackOverflow answer is accurate.
Dec 07 03:37:18 <MrJones> alright, got a helpful idea then?
Dec 07 03:37:26 <bankai_> breakpoint, debug
Dec 07 03:37:29 <MrJones> because I recently added a runnable
Dec 07 03:37:43 <MrJones> and pretty much since then I see this going on with onCreate called twice
Dec 07 03:37:50 <TacticalJoke> You're probably doing something wrong.
Dec 07 03:38:16 <TacticalJoke> Activities don't just randomly have their onCreates firing twice, regardless of what people on StackOverflow say.
Dec 07 03:38:31 <CedricBeust> MrJones: You should log onDestroy() to, it's very likely that log lines in onCreate() will be paired with ones from onDestroy(). I would be very surprised if this was not the case
Dec 07 03:46:36 <drose379> Im thinking of, when you long click on a tile in the second screen here, it brings up a dialog with your currently selected options: https://vid.me/UIFO
Dec 07 03:46:48 <drose379> Would that be user friendly? I would need a way to make sure the user knows its there
Dec 07 03:50:05 <MrJones> CedricBeust: true, it does always seem to create, destroy, create
Dec 07 03:50:58 <MrJones> I had stuff only in explicit back button exit code, not in onDestroy, so some things that weren't supposed to were still around.. (:
Dec 07 03:56:46 <CedricBeust> MrJones: That's how we designed it, happy to hear it works :)
Dec 07 03:57:26 <MrJones> is there a reason web audio in the webview appears to sometimes drop the audio device and never reopen it when the web page doesn't play audible sound for a while?
Dec 07 03:57:47 <MrJones> I implemented my own audio api for now and injected it via javascript, but purely because web audio doesn't really work reliably
Dec 07 03:57:58 <liuwenhao> What's the best way to "smudge" location data in Android? For user security, we want to change our location functionality to nearby area, rather than sending the specific latitude/longitude. Anyone know of a good library or method of doing this?
Dec 07 03:58:00 <MrJones> (it works in standalone firefox mobile and standaline lighting (webkit-based)
Dec 07 04:26:39 <pfn> liuwenhao, just round the location data a few decimal points
Dec 07 04:28:59 <liuwenhao> Not a bad idea pfn. I was looking into geofencing but that seems more convoluted of a solution than we really need
Dec 07 04:30:03 <liuwenhao> MrJones: I have the same problem with a WebView in one of my apps... if you figure out why it's broken let me know :)
Dec 07 04:31:17 <liuwenhao> I just switched my one WebView screen to open a browser rather than an embedded Webview because the HTML/javascript works fine in Chrome and everything else
Dec 07 04:31:19 <liuwenhao> but cuts out in WebView
Dec 07 04:33:33 <dunkel2> hello
Dec 07 04:39:21 <One3yed> is there an algorithm that rates an app based on current vs total intalls
Dec 07 04:39:45 <One3yed> let me back up a bit, an algorithm that google uses for the searching
Dec 07 04:42:44 <dunkel2> is there a place where i can see each attribute i can use in a theme for a tablayout? i am trying to set the background but looks like it also sets the tab label background so when i highlight the tab it looks bad just the tab highlighted but not the label
Dec 07 04:43:58 <g00s> One3yed google doesn't publish how its search ranks apps ;)
Dec 07 04:45:04 <pfn> liuwenhao, you can give it some random offset after rounding if you don't want people to clump into location buckets
Dec 07 04:46:01 <liuwenhao> pfn: That's a really smart idea. Thank you
Dec 07 04:47:28 <eghdk_> What's the best way to update a listView adapter when data has changed from somewhere else? My scenario ActivityA with 2 tabs (fragments), I'm on tab 1, when I get a eventbus event that data has changed. I now go to tab 2, if I update the adapter, I get jank
Dec 07 04:49:52 <g00s> eghdk_ thats bad UI
Dec 07 04:50:11 <g00s> when using tabs, changes in one tab should not impact content in other tabs, generally
Dec 07 04:51:37 <eghdk_> g00s: It's not a change in tabs. I just happen to be on the second tab, and I get a GCM Push. The push downloads a news article, and adds it to my internal db cache. When I return to that first tab, I want my cache to be reloaded (only if it changed though), don't want to reload unnecessarily
Dec 07 05:10:39 <c0derfrek> I dont know where to start. how to implement chat heads (like in fb messenger) like thing in my app?
Dec 07 05:12:43 <CedricBeust> c0ded: I think the alert you're looking for is SYSTEM_ALERT_WINDOW
Dec 07 05:15:53 <c0derfrek> CedricBeust: i think thats a good start
Dec 07 05:17:41 <CedricBeust> Be aware it's a permission that intimidates savvy users
Dec 07 05:34:45 <alex_PP> quiet
Dec 07 05:35:29 <g00s> hey alex_PP :D
Dec 07 05:35:38 <TacticalJoke> What's with the warm-temperature trend on Nexus-y devices?  I hate when pure white looks yellow.  :/
Dec 07 05:35:39 <alex_PP> oi oi
Dec 07 05:35:43 <TacticalJoke> I'd pick blue over yellow any day.
Dec 07 05:36:47 <g00s> maybe display calibrated warm = more color contrast
Dec 07 05:37:20 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, my Moto E2 is really warm, and the contrast looks bad to me (compared to my old Sonys which had cool screens).
Dec 07 05:37:56 <TacticalJoke> I have tried to get used to this for weeks, and every time I use my old Sony it's like a breath of fresh air -- finally, white looks white.
Dec 07 05:38:01 <liuwenhao> My GS5 had a very yellowish tint for a few weeks after I bought it for some reason. I don't know if it was a defect with the screen or with the software but it mellowed out over time and the colors look fine now
Dec 07 05:40:37 <liuwenhao> You could always root and use a screen calibration tool, but ymmv
Dec 07 05:41:27 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, doesn't rooting void the warranty and put us at greater risk of malware?
Dec 07 05:43:17 <liuwenhao> Speaking of malware, Samsung still hasn't pushed an update to fix Stagefright :) What a great company
Dec 07 05:43:38 <liuwenhao> For GS5 at least. They probably patched GS6 to scare people on older phones to upgrade
Dec 07 05:44:17 <dunkel2> hello
Dec 07 05:44:34 <dunkel2> im having a problem trying to change the taskdescription in the overview
Dec 07 05:44:59 <dunkel2> i am getting the colorprimarydark and setting it but it keps using the primarycolor, any idea?
Dec 07 05:47:02 <liuwenhao> Have you tried Activity.setTaskDescription(new ActivityManager.TaskDescription(label, icon, yourcolorhere)); ?
Dec 07 05:47:24 <TacticalJoke> I'd try using Color.RED or something to see whether the code is taking effect.
Dec 07 05:47:36 <TacticalJoke> (Unless red is close to your primary colour.)
Dec 07 05:47:47 <dunkel2> let me see
Dec 07 05:48:21 <dunkel2> yes, is the same line im using, but no change
Dec 07 05:48:28 <dunkel2> it keeps showing the primary
Dec 07 05:49:03 <dunkel2> ActivityManager.TaskDescription td = new ActivityManager.TaskDescription(null, bm, color);
Dec 07 05:49:03 <dunkel2> 	
Dec 07 05:49:18 <dunkel2> got it from here https://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/polishing-your-Android-overview-screen-entry/
Dec 07 05:49:43 <dunkel2> theme.resolveAttribute(R.attr.colorPrimaryDark, typedValue, true);
Dec 07 05:49:48 <dunkel2> was what i was trying
Dec 07 05:50:11 <dunkel2> its an AppCompatActivity
Dec 07 05:50:26 <dunkel2> mine, and the one in the tutorial is ActionBarActivity
Dec 07 05:53:29 <dunkel2> do you think they do not allow that change on marshmallow?
Dec 07 05:54:57 <liuwenhao> Where are you calling it in your code dunkel
Dec 07 05:54:59 <TacticalJoke> dunkel2:  Why not simplify and try Color.RED or something?
Dec 07 05:55:15 <liuwenhao> I just tried it dunkel and it works fine
Dec 07 05:55:17 <dunkel2> yes i tried teh color red and not working
Dec 07 05:55:18 <liuwenhao> Just:     @Override
Dec 07 05:55:18 <liuwenhao>     public void onPause(){
Dec 07 05:55:18 <liuwenhao>         super.onPause();
Dec 07 05:55:18 <liuwenhao>         this.setTaskDescription(new ActivityManager.TaskDescription("this", null, Color.RED));
Dec 07 05:55:18 <liuwenhao>     }
Dec 07 05:55:21 <TacticalJoke> It's not a good idea to jump straight to complexity (using Theme.resolveAttribute).
Dec 07 05:55:21 <dunkel2> in the onCreate
Dec 07 05:55:24 <dunkel2> of my mainactivity
Dec 07 05:55:24 <liuwenhao> dunkel
Dec 07 05:55:27 <liuwenhao> It should be in onPause
Dec 07 05:55:31 <dunkel2> :O!!!!
Dec 07 05:55:36 <dunkel2> maybe that is the issue let me check
Dec 07 05:55:42 <liuwenhao> Also, that call only works on Api >21
Dec 07 05:55:51 <liuwenhao> So make sure you wrap it in a version check
Dec 07 05:56:31 <liuwenhao> Here: http://pastebin.com/Pv6nMjC8
Dec 07 05:56:54 <liuwenhao> "this" is the title, null is the icon (if you pass null it just usees your app icon)
Dec 07 05:57:13 <liuwenhao> If you want to use the same title as your activity just pass a null for that as well
Dec 07 05:59:43 <dunkel2> liuwenhao: maybe im doing something wrong
Dec 07 05:59:43 <TacticalJoke> Isn't it better to do it in onCreate?
Dec 07 05:59:50 <TacticalJoke> dunkel2:  What code are you trying?
Dec 07 05:59:51 <dunkel2> :( is not working for me
Dec 07 05:59:58 <dunkel2> right now the onpause
Dec 07 06:00:13 <TacticalJoke> I pasted `setTaskDescription(new ActivityManager.TaskDescription(null, null, Color.RED));` in onCreate and it worked.
Dec 07 06:00:23 <TacticalJoke> Try that.
Dec 07 06:00:34 <dunkel2> and also i set a Log.d in the onPause and is not even logging it
Dec 07 06:00:52 <TacticalJoke> I don't think onPause is a good place for this.
Dec 07 06:00:57 <liuwenhao> Weird. That code worked perfectly for me
Dec 07 06:01:34 <dunkel2> could be something on my theme what is messing it?
Dec 07 06:02:03 <liuwenhao> No, that code should override whatever is in your Styles.xml for the app overview/multitasking screen
Dec 07 06:02:18 <TacticalJoke> dunkel2:  Please try the above and report whether it worked or not.
Dec 07 06:02:28 <TacticalJoke> After `super.onCreate(whatever);`.
Dec 07 06:02:41 <dunkel2> tried, same result the bar is on the primaryColor set by my styles.xml
Dec 07 06:03:08 <liuwenhao> It doesn't even change the title in the overview screen?
Dec 07 06:03:11 <liuwenhao> Or just not changing the color
Dec 07 06:03:15 <dunkel2> it changes teh title
Dec 07 06:03:19 <dunkel2> if i set a new string
Dec 07 06:03:23 <dunkel2> it does
Dec 07 06:03:39 <dunkel2> maybe also the icon, but i dont have any other image to test, but it keeps ignoring teh colour
Dec 07 06:03:58 <liuwenhao> What Android version are you on?
Dec 07 06:04:06 <dunkel2> wait a second
Dec 07 06:04:20 <dunkel2> i think i know the problem now
Dec 07 06:04:48 <dunkel2> the problem is that i was setting it on mainactivity but my app when it loads mainactivity it shows a intent with loginactivity
Dec 07 06:05:16 <dunkel2> and i was going to the overview while in loginactivity
Dec 07 06:05:18 <dunkel2> :$
Dec 07 06:05:29 <dunkel2> so then… i have to set that code on each activity?
Dec 07 06:05:44 <liuwenhao> Yes
Dec 07 06:05:57 <dunkel2> ok :D good to know
Dec 07 06:05:57 <liuwenhao> Because the overview just takes whatever the current activity information is
Dec 07 06:06:16 <dunkel2> so, do you guys think is better in the oncreate or onpause?
Dec 07 06:06:41 <TacticalJoke> onCreate
Dec 07 06:06:49 <TacticalJoke> It doesn't make sense to do this every time the activity pauses.
Dec 07 06:07:14 <dunkel2> i had another problem before, i was trying to set the theme to a tablayut
Dec 07 06:07:58 <dunkel2> but when i set the android:background it seems like it adds a background also to the labels on the tabs because when i highlight the tab the labels showed a weird rectangle behing them
Dec 07 06:08:54 <liuwenhao> try android:backgroundTint
Dec 07 06:08:54 <dunkel2> i fixed it setting the background in the layout inside the <TabLayout tag, is that the correct fix, or is there a hidden property i have to set in the theme to get the correct background colour just for the tabs and not the labels?
Dec 07 06:09:20 <liuwenhao> android:background sets a drawable, android:backgroundTint sets a color
Dec 07 06:09:59 <liuwenhao> or  android:background="?attr/colorPrimary"
Dec 07 06:10:09 <liuwenhao> Goodnight all
Dec 07 06:10:17 <dunkel2> gn thank you!
Dec 07 07:23:15 <TacticalJoke> Occasionally getting `A/libc: Fatal signal 11 (SIGSEGV), code 2, fault addr 0xb75801a0 in tid 12529 (JDWP)` (or similar) on Lollipop.  Not getting this on older Android versions.  Is this likely to be a bug in Android?  (I'm not using the NDK at all.)
Dec 07 07:23:26 <TacticalJoke> To be clear, this is coming from my app.
Dec 07 07:23:48 <TacticalJoke> My biggest suspicion is that it's related to BitmapFactory doing stuff, but I'm guessing.
Dec 07 07:28:32 <TacticalJoke> More info: http://pastebin.com/SZrJGMeL
Dec 07 07:38:19 <TacticalJoke> I guess that info suggests it's related to DDMS.  Hope this is just a debug thing.  Random crashes look unprofessional.  :s
Dec 07 07:40:41 <g00s> 5.0 was pretty bad
Dec 07 07:44:32 <g00s> CedricBeust you available for a gradle build related question? i'm thinkig about splitting my app into 'normal' and 'remote viewer'; the latter would be free. i think this is more than flavors would handle. split into two completely different projects, or one project like :full :viewer :sharedstuff
Dec 07 07:45:41 <CedricBeust>  Don't see why flavors/build types wouldn't work
Dec 07 07:46:27 <alex_PP> g00s, like that, you're having /full/src/main/*.java instead of /src/full/*.java
Dec 07 07:46:41 <alex_PP> what do you gain by having a totally different module?
Dec 07 07:47:07 <g00s> the apps are related but don't share that much
Dec 07 07:47:35 <g00s> looking at the docs, they say flavors are good for free / paid, etc - but larger differences should be something else
Dec 07 07:48:26 <g00s> one app talks to BT, the other app just gets data from the first app via Nearby Messages, and its pretty dumb compared to the full app
Dec 07 07:48:48 <g00s> well i'll take a look at flavors then, thanks alex_PP CedricBeust
Dec 07 07:50:45 <alex_PP> might actually be less of a pain with modules
Dec 07 07:50:48 <surf2b1> What is the name of the feature in AS when a drawable is shown next to a line number?
Dec 07 07:50:51 <alex_PP> depends really on what you're doing
Dec 07 07:51:18 <alex_PP> with modules they'd both be 'active' for building at the same time
Dec 07 07:51:40 <alex_PP> the way AS handles source files from unselected build variants annoys me
Dec 07 07:56:24 <surf2b1> line 94: http://i.imgur.com/qPmbk5s.jpg
Dec 07 08:00:27 <TacticalJoke> surf2b1:  There's Editor > General > Appearance "... icons preview ...", but switching it off doesn't seem to remove these icons.
Dec 07 08:00:40 <TacticalJoke> I guess try searching settings for "preview" or similar.  Not sure.
Dec 07 08:01:16 <surf2b1> TacticalJoke, "icon preview" thanks. I'm just thinking of reporting a bug. The first "icon preview" should be white but it isn't parsing the vectordrawable correctly.
Dec 07 08:06:41 <rhcake> does reading from a tcp socket somehow prevent the device from going to sleep mode? ive been sending the device messages every minute or so to test and an hour later its still responding
Dec 07 08:16:05 <fling> Is it java or what?
Dec 07 08:26:23 <TacticalJoke> fling:  Is what Java?
Dec 07 08:27:04 <fling> Something in between kernel and applications on android?
Dec 07 08:29:23 <surf2b1> I have a bunch of projects and I currently have a library-module that has no code and no resources. All it does is have the support-v4 library so I only need to update the value in one place. Is this bad practice?
Dec 07 08:32:23 <autrilla> Is there an easy way to retain arbitrary objects upon a fragment being killed and created again? I guess it'd be the same for activities
Dec 07 08:34:29 <nb-ben> autrilla: why do you need to keep them
Dec 07 08:35:31 <autrilla> nb-ben: because the fragment needs them and I don't want to recreate them
Dec 07 08:35:42 <nb-ben> autrilla: why don't you want to recreated them
Dec 07 08:35:48 <nb-ben> to recreate *
Dec 07 08:36:05 <autrilla> why would I want to?
Dec 07 08:36:42 <nb-ben> why would you ever want to keep anything off of memory?
Dec 07 08:37:46 <nb-ben> if these objects are only associated with this fragment, they should be freed when the fragment is destroyed
Dec 07 08:38:05 <TacticalJoke> nb-ben:  They might be expensive to create.
Dec 07 08:38:18 <autrilla> nb-ben: they're shared among fragments
Dec 07 08:38:27 <autrilla> For example, a reference to a retrofit instance
Dec 07 08:38:33 <nb-ben> then they aren't bound to this fragment
Dec 07 08:38:54 <autrilla> it is, but sub-fragments use it
Dec 07 08:39:11 <nb-ben> perhaps they should be stored in your application class
Dec 07 08:39:14 <autrilla> that is, I pass a reference to sub fragments, so they can use it
Dec 07 08:39:25 <autrilla> I don't like global state and dependency hiding
Dec 07 08:40:14 <nb-ben> well, you kinda have no choice when it comes to your android implementations
Dec 07 08:40:47 <nb-ben> you can use a service locator to grab a reference to your application singleton or instantiate stuff
Dec 07 08:43:08 <SimonVT> Just use dependency injection
Dec 07 08:49:33 <autrilla> SimonVT: I am
Dec 07 08:49:51 <autrilla> Through setters, myself. I guess you mean use dagger?
Dec 07 08:50:30 <SimonVT> Yea
Dec 07 08:51:42 <SimonVT> Anyway, a Retrofit instance you'd just keep as a singleton
Dec 07 08:52:25 <gordon_> and learn dagger well
Dec 07 08:52:32 <gordon_> since it can be pain in the ass
Dec 07 08:52:51 <autrilla> It doesn't look hard
Dec 07 08:53:16 <autrilla> It's android that's a pita :p
Dec 07 08:53:52 <Mavrik> Yeah, singleton DI objects are perfect for that.
Dec 07 08:55:43 <nb-ben> I just look at activity as a "main" point
Dec 07 08:56:34 <nb-ben> and let it instantiate factories and objects that are tested
Dec 07 08:56:48 <lazz> Hey guys! Anyone knows why I'm getting "Signature invalid" error for in-app purchases even though the public license key is correct?
Dec 07 08:56:56 <lazz> I'm using anjlab in-app billing library.
Dec 07 09:13:15 <Raoul11> hi all, simple question about inapps: iv already set my app for in-apps testing purchases, but i dont understand how can my alpha/beta users can test real purchases
Dec 07 09:14:09 <Raoul11> do i need to remove those testers from settings/license testing?
Dec 07 11:03:59 <Looney> I do not know whether AS performance is sub-par on Linux or what but I am back to vi  :'(
Dec 07 11:07:18 <osxorgate> hm jcenter broken or is it just me
Dec 07 11:12:20 <Looney> I have been using mavenCentral() lately osxorgate
Dec 07 11:12:28 <Looney> There was 502
Dec 07 11:14:43 <GladiaTeur> hi guys is all of you using android studio to create apps ?
Dec 07 11:16:07 <Looney> I "is" not, but tried it nonetheless
Dec 07 11:18:34 <osxorgate> i use AS yes
Dec 07 11:20:31 <GladiaTeur> osxorgate i am a web developer and newbie on android development i installed android studio and sdk Manager
Dec 07 11:21:12 <GladiaTeur> trying to create a webview
Dec 07 11:21:43 <GladiaTeur> as i see is very easy
Dec 07 11:23:26 <GladiaTeur> fixed some issue like emulator: ERROR: x86 emulation currently requires hardware acceleration and Android Studio AMD CPU |ERROR: x86 emulation currently requires hardware acceleration
Dec 07 11:31:19 <osxorgate> yeah i dont use the standard emulator, i use genymotion
Dec 07 11:31:24 <osxorgate> or a real device
Dec 07 11:32:26 <indn1234> I'm learning to implement basic Fragments. The onResume() is called however the fragment is not visible. I can even fetch the value of the TextView that is supposed to be there but I just can't see it. I've tried playing around with the height and width as well, and according the the preview in Android Studio, I should be able to see the TextView of the Fragment. HELP!
Dec 07 11:34:08 <StarLight> indn1234: can't help you without any code
Dec 07 11:34:09 <osxorgate> indn1234: you should post some code
Dec 07 11:37:20 <indn1234> StarLight, osxorgate: just a sec
Dec 07 11:38:31 <indn1234> Fragment-Class - http://pastebin.com/E3gp3aLB
Dec 07 11:38:31 <indn1234> Fragment-Layout - http://pastebin.com/bYqd5W7R
Dec 07 11:38:31 <indn1234> Fragment-Host-Class - http://pastebin.com/puyw0jhz
Dec 07 11:38:31 <indn1234> Fragment-Host-Class-Layout - http://pastebin.com/cXKruRGk
Dec 07 11:40:55 <StarLight> indn1234: uhm. you're calling setContentView two times in your activity
Dec 07 11:41:08 <osxorgate> not sure but in the <fragment try setting height to match_parent or sth
Dec 07 11:43:40 <GladiaTeur> osxorgate on windows ?
Dec 07 11:43:56 <osxorgate> osx
Dec 07 11:44:38 <GladiaTeur> i am using win7 a long time ago
Dec 07 12:07:50 <sci-fic> hey, is it possible to write an app that simulates clicks on android ? for instance, simulator will open whatsapp and will go to settings etc
Dec 07 12:08:13 <autrilla> I don't really understand why activities and fragments are killed on device rotation
Dec 07 12:08:17 <vegetabl4salad19> sci-fic, you can do that with adb
Dec 07 12:08:40 <indn1234> autrilla: It is essential really.
Dec 07 12:08:45 <vegetabl4salad19> sci-fic, input, clicks, swipes etc
Dec 07 12:08:51 <autrilla> indn1234: not really
Dec 07 12:10:01 <autrilla> indn1234: why do you think it's essential?
Dec 07 12:11:59 <autrilla> SimonVT: when you said "a Retrofit instance you'd just keep as a singleton" I really hope you mean "as a single instance", not as a Singleton pattern
Dec 07 12:13:40 <StarLight> autrilla: it's essnetial because your orientation config changes and you might be using another layout in new config
Dec 07 12:14:00 <autrilla> StarLight: there's still no reason to kill your activities
Dec 07 12:14:08 <sci-fic> vegetabl4salad19: ty :D
Dec 07 12:14:33 <SimonVT> How you do it doesn't really matter, as long as you only have a single instance
Dec 07 12:14:46 <autrilla> I like passing deps manually
Dec 07 12:14:54 <SimonVT> I don't
Dec 07 12:15:17 <autrilla> Which would be fine if Android didn't go on a killing spree each time I rotated my device
Dec 07 12:18:20 <SimonVT> All configuration changes recreate the activity. Could be an orientation change, or a language change, or whatever. Android makes no assumptions about what configuration changes matter to you, but leaves it up to you to disable that behavior if you so wish
Dec 07 12:18:45 <indn1234> osxorgate: I tried, didn't work.
Dec 07 12:18:56 <indn1234> StarLight: I'm calling it just once, the other line is commented
Dec 07 12:19:10 <autrilla> SimonVT: there still really isn't a need to recreate the activity. Just call onConfigurationChange or whatever
Dec 07 12:19:18 <odigem> hi
Dec 07 12:19:35 <SimonVT> In your app it might not be needed
Dec 07 12:19:41 <StarLight> autrilla: if you want to handle it yourself you can do it, up to you
Dec 07 12:20:10 <autrilla> Because what am I really supposed to do to preserve my active UI fragment(s) and the backstack?
Dec 07 12:20:31 <lasserix_> Anyone have good idiom/architecture for handling offline-versus-online mode in apps?
Dec 07 12:21:24 <Tazmain> Hi all, does anyone know a library I can use that can do http get with basic authentication ?
Dec 07 12:21:24 <autrilla> SimonVT: there should never ever ever be a need to recreate the activity. It's a hacky solution.
Dec 07 12:21:30 <autrilla> Tazmain: okhttp
Dec 07 12:21:35 <autrilla> What's 'basic authentication'
Dec 07 12:21:56 <StarLight> I guess it's HTTP basic auth?
Dec 07 12:22:01 <andrefreitas> Hi, I am using android command line tool to install SDKs like this: "android update sdk -u --filter 2,4"
Dec 07 12:22:05 <SimonVT> So you'd rather manually handle every configuration change?
Dec 07 12:22:17 <andrefreitas> This install platform tools and build tools. However, isn't creating any build-tools folder in ANDROID_HOME
Dec 07 12:22:24 <andrefreitas> so my builds are failing
Dec 07 12:22:31 <Tazmain> basic , so not https and if you view http headers it says basic authentication with a base64 encoded string
Dec 07 12:22:34 <andrefreitas> What I am doing wrong?
Dec 07 12:22:46 <autrilla> StarLight: http doesn't specify auth
Dec 07 12:23:00 <StarLight> it does, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_access_authentication
Dec 07 12:23:03 <autrilla> SimonVT: yes
Dec 07 12:23:17 <SimonVT> No matter what you do, you have to handle the activity being recreated. You actually have to handle the entire process being recreated
Dec 07 12:23:23 <autrilla> StarLight: those are just normal headers
Dec 07 12:23:27 <autrilla> Nothing special about them
Dec 07 12:23:32 <SimonVT> So actually you get configuration changes for free, with no extra code
Dec 07 12:23:35 <StarLight> it's called "basic auth"
Dec 07 12:23:54 <autrilla> StarLight: it's up to the application to support it
Dec 07 12:23:55 <Looney> I want to add dynamic items to my navigation drawer using add() of Menu
Dec 07 12:24:28 <Tazmain> Does anyone here know how to use the android-ndk to compile c++ libraries ?
Dec 07 12:24:57 <Looney> Where should I use the function? onCreate() or onOptionsCreateMenu()
Dec 07 12:25:10 <andrefreitas> Someone?
Dec 07 12:25:25 <autrilla> Tazmain: so just base64 the string and add the header. Any http lib will do that. OkHttp supports it.
Dec 07 12:25:40 <autrilla> SimonVT: why
Dec 07 12:25:58 <indn1234> I'm learning to implement basic Fragments. The onResume() is called however the fragment is not visible. I can even fetch the value of the TextView that is supposed to be there but I just can't see it. I've tried playing around with the height and width as well, and according the the preview in Android Studio, I should be able to see the TextView of the Fragment. HELP!
Dec 07 12:26:02 <Tazmain> autrilla, problem was with getting that encoding because its normally under some apache lib.
Dec 07 12:26:45 <Tazmain> but if I can just compile libcurl for android then that is a lot less work, than having to learn how to make an app in android studio
Dec 07 12:26:48 <autrilla> SimonVT: I mean, why would Android kill your process and then spawn it again. No OS does this
Dec 07 12:26:58 <SimonVT> Because of memory constraints
Dec 07 12:27:01 <StarLight> Tazmain: you can use android.util.Base64
Dec 07 12:27:05 <Mavrik> autrilla, all mobile OSes do this O.o
Dec 07 12:27:17 <autrilla> Well swap my process out or whatever and don't schedule it
Dec 07 12:27:36 <Tazmain> StarLight, o.o , then i can compile right away ! awesome
Dec 07 12:27:42 <autrilla> Mavrik: it's a weird design choice
Dec 07 12:27:44 <SimonVT> Heh, swap
Dec 07 12:28:04 <nb-ben> autrilla: mobile phones are most significantly different to normal computers in terms of resource management because they run on batteries
Dec 07 12:28:10 <andrefreitas> If I am using SDK manager from terminal do I need to set ANDROID_HOME?
Dec 07 12:28:14 <autrilla> nb-ben: so?
Dec 07 12:28:16 <nb-ben> autrilla: swapping costs a lot of battery
Dec 07 12:28:19 <andrefreitas> Why it doesn't create the build-tools folder?
Dec 07 12:28:29 <autrilla> nb-ben: and recreating processes doesn't?
Dec 07 12:28:30 <nb-ben> autrilla: its ideal that you would have free memory instead
Dec 07 12:28:56 <autrilla> Because you know, all that state you haven't swapped has to be repopulated now. That isn't free.
Dec 07 12:29:00 <nb-ben> autrilla: thats a good question for you to ask the internet
Dec 07 12:29:26 <nb-ben> autrilla: you can control which portions are being killed
Dec 07 12:30:33 <Mavrik> autrilla, that's probably because the devices don't have swap
Dec 07 12:30:40 <andrefreitas> I am getting "failed to find target with hash string 'android-23' in: /usr/local/Cellar/android-sdk/24.3.3"
Dec 07 12:30:53 <andrefreitas> And I installed the build and platform tools
Dec 07 12:30:54 <Mavrik> autrilla, which is probably due to slow flash :/
Dec 07 12:30:56 <nb-ben> they dont have swap for a good reason, not because the os is incomplete
Dec 07 12:31:16 <Mavrik> nb-ben, do you have any good ideas why they don't have swap?
Dec 07 12:31:49 <nb-ben> i can speculate good reasons for it
Dec 07 12:31:57 <andrefreitas> How can I list the installed packages with android sdk manager in CLI? No documentation about that.
Dec 07 12:32:01 <nb-ben> why they decided precisely i never looked into
Dec 07 12:32:28 <autrilla> Aaanyway, this doesn't help anyone
Dec 07 12:32:32 <autrilla> So, what should I persist
Dec 07 12:32:40 <nb-ben> but as someone who makes devices that run on batteries, i think i can see why that wouldnt fit
Dec 07 12:33:33 <StarLight> andrefreitas: http://developer.android.com/intl/es/tools/help/shell.html#pm
Dec 07 12:34:01 <nb-ben> where youd normally offload work to smooth things out in terms of user experience, this is bad practice on phones, it has additional cost of battery time
Dec 07 12:34:21 <SimonVT> It probably has to do with slow flash, yeah.. Having to swap that 200 MB bitmap cache you kept in memory isn't going to give an instant feeling when switching between apps
Dec 07 12:34:25 <nb-ben> so swap is that thing that gives you the illusion of infinite memory
Dec 07 12:34:29 <andrefreitas> StarLight: Lol, I am talking about the android sdk manager, not the adb
Dec 07 12:34:46 <autrilla> I could set a myriad of 'checkpoints' and put it in the bundle, then check the bundle on onCreate and restore... but that's awful
Dec 07 12:35:01 <StarLight> andrefreitas: oops, didn't get that
Dec 07 12:35:07 <nb-ben> but it wont be practical for phones, where you just want to have things that are actually needed alive
Dec 07 12:35:21 <autrilla> SimonVT: what happens now? Does the 200MB bitmap you kept magically reappear in memory after you killed the process?
Dec 07 12:35:53 <SimonVT> You lazy load, as always
Dec 07 12:36:22 <autrilla> Anyway, as I said, this discussion won't help anyone, because Google is not going to change something so fundamental
Dec 07 12:36:53 <andrefreitas> How to list the packages installed in Android SDK Manager??
Dec 07 12:37:03 <SimonVT> Noone's trying to get them to change anything
Dec 07 12:37:09 <andrefreitas> In the command line
Dec 07 12:37:33 <SimonVT> andrefreitas: Please stop spamming your question
Dec 07 12:37:42 <SimonVT> If you don't get an answer, try again later
Dec 07 12:37:43 <nb-ben> your presupposition about google's product policy is not a good reason to dismiss reaspning about an idea that you fail to comprehend
Dec 07 12:37:49 <autrilla> SimonVT: well no, I'm just trying to keep my software clean
Dec 07 12:37:51 <nb-ben> reasoning
Dec 07 12:38:00 <autrilla> nb-ben: bite me
Dec 07 12:38:17 <andrefreitas> SimonVT: I have lost about 3 days automating our Jenkins Jobs for Android. No documentation about automating the SDK installation. Shame on Android Dev Team
Dec 07 12:39:21 <nb-ben> well, this is your career, and the ridicule that you'll get when you talk to other competent developers. I dont really mind.
Dec 07 12:39:33 <autrilla> r/iamverysmart
Dec 07 12:39:40 <autrilla> aaanyway
Dec 07 12:40:17 <yawkat> andrefreitas: isnt there a jenkins android plugin
Dec 07 12:41:02 <andrefreitas> yawkat: This isn't about installing plugin. Is about android sdk manager installing the tools: Ex: Build Tools 23.0.2.
Dec 07 12:41:29 <andrefreitas> I am finding a repo to send a feature request in android sdk
Dec 07 12:43:18 <Mavrik> andrefreitas, there's a gradle plugin that does it for you.
Dec 07 12:43:28 <Mavrik> So you don't mess around with gradle scripts and have to maintain that.
Dec 07 12:43:28 <andrefreitas> Lol, Google doesn't have their official repos in Github. So bugs and issues cannot be reported
Dec 07 12:43:38 <Mavrik> https://github.com/JakeWharton/sdk-manager-plugin
Dec 07 12:43:50 <andrefreitas> Mavrik: Our Android dev team already uses it and it's buggy.
Dec 07 12:44:12 <andrefreitas> Mavrik: we still need to use the android sdk manager to update sdks.
Dec 07 12:44:21 <Mavrik> I wonder how your development process looks like if you've never heard of the world outside github :P
Dec 07 12:44:47 <andrefreitas> Mavrik: Couldn't understand your point
Dec 07 12:44:50 <cart_man> Would it be safe to use a Java library in Android if it was not specifically created for Android?
Dec 07 12:45:11 <andrefreitas> Mavrik: Github is a great place to build OSS.
Dec 07 12:45:16 <Mavrik> cart_man, depends.
Dec 07 12:45:34 <Mavrik> cart_man, if it doesn't use missing parts of standard library it'll be just fine.
Dec 07 12:45:39 <autrilla> Can you somehow put the fragment stack in a bundle?
Dec 07 12:45:49 <cart_man> Mavrik: Rome api for rss feeds
Dec 07 12:46:16 <andrefreitas> Mavrik: And yes, I know the world outside github
Dec 07 12:46:30 <Looney> Where should I insert MenuItem to my NavigationDrawer using add() in my activity? onCreate or onCreateOptionsMenu ? ?
Dec 07 12:46:57 <Mavrik> Looney, oncreate
Dec 07 12:47:28 <andrefreitas> Mavrik: I wonder too how is your development process if you not automate things.
Dec 07 12:47:32 <Looney> OK, and some MenuItems are hard-coded and some are going to be add()-ed
Dec 07 12:47:43 <Mavrik> ^^
Dec 07 12:48:01 <Mavrik> Looney, thing is that the API just reuses the class, it's not a menu per-se, hence oncreate :)
Dec 07 12:48:44 <cart_man> Mavrik:  This looks like nothing out of the ordinary ?
Dec 07 12:48:44 <cart_man>  http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/RSSFeed/article.html
Dec 07 12:49:27 <Looney> OK, will add() and report back Mavrik
Dec 07 12:52:20 <Ribesg> Ok I've got a problem. I'm using Fabric and the TweetTimelineListAdapter.Builder thing, which builds a ListAdapter for a ListView
Dec 07 12:52:56 <Ribesg> I want to use CoordinatorLayout with AppBarLayout to hide some TabLayout when scrolling this ListView, which isn't possible as it only supports RecyclerView
Dec 07 12:53:13 <Ribesg> Can I somehow plug a ListViewAdapter into a RecyclerView ?
Dec 07 12:53:47 <Ribesg> Is there some lib oferring a ListView implemeting what's required for this to just work (all the NestedScrolling things) ?
Dec 07 12:54:49 <Looney> Mavrik: I tried menu.add(R.id.navigation_menu , Menu.NONE , 2 , "Test Item");
Dec 07 12:55:05 <Looney> The MenuItem is being added at end instead of 2
Dec 07 12:59:14 <Looney> I cannot direct/set item at desired place in Menu?
Dec 07 13:00:10 <Duiker101> you can, there in the xml you can define orderInCategory
Dec 07 13:01:28 <drose379> I have a custom view for my dialog with a few checkboxes, I inflate the view with LayoutInflater each time the dialog button is clicked
Dec 07 13:01:47 <drose379> If I am inflating a new view each time, how come the checkboxes stay checked when it is re-inflated
Dec 07 13:01:54 <drose379> Is the view state saved?
Dec 07 13:02:17 <autrilla> Are FragmentManagers automatically persisted by activities?
Dec 07 13:04:02 <thepoosh> is there a normal way to animate cells out of a recycler view backed by a Cursor?
Dec 07 13:05:37 <gordon_> http://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2015/12/kotlin-1-0-beta-3-is-out/
Dec 07 13:07:31 <Mavrik> Heh, the values thing is interesting.
Dec 07 13:17:00 <autrilla> Why is signInFragment always null after configuration changes? https://gist.github.com/autrilla/fd67f660c76e0482b7db
Dec 07 13:19:36 <Mavrik> autrilla, setRetain not set?
Dec 07 13:20:02 <autrilla> Mavrik: it's set on SignInFragment (on onCreate)
Dec 07 13:20:20 <autrilla> retainInstance = true
Dec 07 13:21:15 <autrilla> https://gist.github.com/autrilla/e4b8148b50dd4cc0981a
Dec 07 13:21:21 <autrilla> That's the logcat output
Dec 07 13:24:00 <ondroed> is chat inside webView good idea or not?
Dec 07 13:24:23 <drose379> ondroed, why not make it native
Dec 07 13:24:35 <ondroed> because of time
Dec 07 13:24:54 <Mavrik> How will dealing with JS save time?
Dec 07 13:26:03 <ondroed> i mean other command (workers) can implement it on html/js and we (android command) just insert it in our app.
Dec 07 13:26:18 <ondroed> after we maybe reimplement it native
Dec 07 13:26:28 <ondroed> or it's bad idea?
Dec 07 13:26:41 <drose379> What is the chat running off of
Dec 07 13:26:47 <drose379> Socket.io has an android lib
Dec 07 13:27:46 <ondroed> drose379: i don't understand you... (
Dec 07 13:27:56 <drose379> How does your live chat work
Dec 07 13:30:50 <autrilla> Mavrik: it should be persisting them, right?
Dec 07 13:32:35 <ondroed> drose379: you mean what lib it will use?
Dec 07 13:32:37 <ondroed> js lib
Dec 07 13:32:40 <ondroed> ?
Dec 07 13:34:47 <drose379> I meant server side ondroed, because I was going to say if you are using socket.io then they have a nice android library so you could implement this without a webview
Dec 07 13:35:49 <autrilla> Mavrik: okay, fragments on he backstack are not retained
Dec 07 13:36:10 <AlmogBaku> Hi
Dec 07 13:36:28 <ondroed> server side is written not on js, it's custom restfull n shiet service
Dec 07 13:36:40 <AlmogBaku> can I extend generated class from retrofit with my own custom methods?
Dec 07 13:37:37 <drose379> restfull for live chat?
Dec 07 13:38:01 <ondroed> well i'll ask them
Dec 07 13:38:02 <ondroed> )
Dec 07 13:39:03 <drose379> You are working for a company ondroed ? Or personal?
Dec 07 13:40:27 <AlmogBaku> http://socket.io/blog/native-socket-io-and-android/
Dec 07 13:41:01 <ondroed> company
Dec 07 13:41:59 <Duiker101> still, even if you have a restful service for a "live" chat, unless you have already a library that gives you the full functionality in javascript, I see no reason to not do it native
Dec 07 13:42:02 <Looney> Correct me if I am wrong. One can simply not add() an item at a particular position in Menu!
Dec 07 13:42:30 <drose379> I feel like restful service and live chat dont go together
Dec 07 13:42:44 <Duiker101> public abstract MenuItem add (int groupId, int itemId, int order, CharSequence title)
Dec 07 13:42:52 <drose379> Unless I'm confused
Dec 07 13:43:56 <Looney> Duiker101: I am not able to add, say an item at number 3
Dec 07 13:43:58 <Duiker101> I agree drose, I think it's more of a normal messaging system with maybe so sort of autorefresh added
Dec 07 13:44:48 <drose379> REST is more of just grabbing data from a web api? Duiker101
Dec 07 13:44:51 <Duiker101> looney, you can if you items have order 100, 110,120,140, you can add an item and give it order 115, which will make it appear third
Dec 07 13:45:35 <Looney> So, basically I need to add order attribute in my XML  ? ?
Dec 07 13:46:30 <Duiker101> drose, yes, but rest allows you add items and stuff so you can have a messaging system, obviously it wont be as good as real one, and it will consume a lot of resources, but you can
Dec 07 13:46:39 <Duiker101> looney, yes
Dec 07 13:47:04 <drose379> ondroed, did you develop the live chat system? Or did your web guys do it?
Dec 07 13:47:18 <Looney> OK, so it would be something like android:order="2" inside my item?
Dec 07 13:48:04 <Duiker101> looney, I think the correct property is orderInCategory, but yes that's what you need
Dec 07 13:48:29 <Looney> I only have single group/category
Dec 07 13:49:56 <Duiker101> to specify it in the xml you don't need to have the category/group but I am not sure what you'll have to pass to the add method as it requires the group/category id
Dec 07 13:50:32 <ondroed> drose379: web guys
Dec 07 13:50:34 <Duiker101> I think you can pass 0 as a groupId and you'll need to pass an itemId
Dec 07 13:51:13 <Looney> OK, for sake of testing I have been passing Menu.NONE
Dec 07 13:51:17 <Looney> Should I feel bad?
Dec 07 13:51:32 <Looney> Menu.NONE for groupId
Dec 07 13:52:12 <Duiker101> not if it works :D
Dec 07 13:52:36 <Looney> I fee terrible in that case  :'(
Dec 07 13:53:51 <Duiker101> try 0, or just create a group in the xml and give it an id
Dec 07 13:55:41 <AlmogBaku> can I extend generated class from retrofit with my own custom methods?
Dec 07 13:57:00 <autrilla> AlmogBaku: sure, through reflection if you want
Dec 07 13:57:13 <AlmogBaku> :O
Dec 07 13:57:18 <Duiker101> generated class? you mean a model? yhea should be no problem
Dec 07 13:57:37 <autrilla> Duiker101: he probably means the service retrofit generates for you
Dec 07 13:57:51 <JFlash> question: what is a safe way to compare the android call log with my own separate log of the same information? I supose I cannot use the _ID field because if the user has deleted the log, the android db could re-use those _IDs
Dec 07 13:58:01 <AlmogBaku> Retrofit is "generating" a "proxy" class that implement an interface that I declare
Dec 07 13:58:09 <AlmogBaku> i want to extend it..
Dec 07 13:58:10 <JFlash> can i just compare the dates of the calls, which are of type long?
Dec 07 13:58:27 <autrilla> AlmogBaku: you've got a lot of options
Dec 07 13:58:52 <autrilla> As I said, using reflection is one of them. Another one is composition, create a class that wraps the retrofit stuff and adds some extra methods
Dec 07 13:59:10 <AlmogBaku> reflaction is evil
Dec 07 13:59:18 <autrilla> welp
Dec 07 13:59:19 <AlmogBaku> and wrapping is lotttss of work :|
Dec 07 13:59:23 <autrilla> welp
Dec 07 13:59:53 <autrilla> Java doesn't have a way to extend someone else's classes in place
Dec 07 14:00:44 <Zharf> huh?
Dec 07 14:00:45 <JFlash> anyone?
Dec 07 14:00:50 <pfn> retrofit uses proxies?
Dec 07 14:02:25 <autrilla> Zharf: huh?
Dec 07 14:02:40 <Zharf> I'm missing context, I'm confused
Dec 07 14:02:41 <Zharf> :)
Dec 07 14:03:07 <autrilla> You can't add members to classes you don't control in Java, unless you use reflection or bytecode manipulation
Dec 07 14:07:38 <autrilla> It's weird I can't find anyone who's wanted to persist an activity's fragment backstack on google
Dec 07 14:09:04 <Looney> Duiker101: menu.add(R.id.drawer_items , Menu.NONE , Menu.FIRST , "Test Item");
Dec 07 14:09:24 <Duiker101> looney: it worked?
Dec 07 14:10:07 <Looney> Nah! The item is being added at the bottom
Dec 07 14:10:32 <Looney> I think that I will do this one by crook/hook  :'(
Dec 07 14:11:18 <Duiker101> uhm that's strange
Dec 07 14:12:24 <Looney> drawer_items is groupId
Dec 07 14:12:48 <Looney> I am not interested in assigning itemId at the moment, thus Menu.None
Dec 07 14:13:08 <Looney> drawer_items is the Menu.FIRST group
Dec 07 14:13:20 <Looney> and "Test Item" is self-explanatory
Dec 07 14:13:44 <Duiker101> i'm trying but my app takes a good 50s to compile :S
Dec 07 14:16:42 <Duiker101> menu.add(0, 1231, 101, "hello"); works for me where hello appears between order 100 and 102
Dec 07 14:16:50 <Duiker101> I don't have any groups
Dec 07 14:17:40 <Looney> So, how are you giving order to your items?
Dec 07 14:18:19 <Looney> android:order  ? ?
Dec 07 14:19:08 <Duiker101>     <item
Dec 07 14:19:08 <Duiker101>         android:id="@+id/action_track_share"
Dec 07 14:19:08 <Duiker101>         android:icon="@drawable/ic_action_share_white"
Dec 07 14:19:08 <Duiker101>         android:title="@string/q_share"
Dec 07 14:19:08 <Duiker101>     android:orderInCategory="100"    app:showAsAction="always"/>
Dec 07 14:19:25 <Looney> orderInCategory
Dec 07 14:19:33 <Looney> OK, let me try this
Dec 07 14:27:12 <Looney> Duiker101: You have saved the day for me  :-)
Dec 07 14:27:26 <Looney> orderInCategory works as advertised  :-P
Dec 07 14:27:51 <Duiker101> ;)
Dec 07 14:28:10 <Duiker101> my job here is done! I should get back to work!
Dec 07 14:28:13 <Duiker101> maybe
Dec 07 14:28:51 <Looney> Nah, procrastinate here with us  :-D
Dec 07 14:31:29 <Eplebit> wokring is overrated
Dec 07 14:31:32 <Eplebit> ircing is the shit
Dec 07 14:32:29 <autrilla> I guess I could maintain my own stack parallel to the FragmentManager's backstack, but why would I, really?
Dec 07 14:36:10 <Duiker101> autrilla, have you considered that if maintaing the stack is important maybe you should not be using fragments?
Dec 07 14:36:22 <autrilla> Duiker101: no
Dec 07 14:37:21 <autrilla> I basically have a SignInActivity, SignInFragment, and then MyServiceSignInFragment and MyServiceSignUpFragment. The "main" fragment is SignInFragment, which has 2 buttons to add the MyServiceSign(Up|In)Fragments to the backstack
Dec 07 14:37:22 <Duiker101> I think the rule is that different screens should use different activities, so the fragment stack should not contain information that can be lost on config changes
Dec 07 14:39:18 <autrilla> Duiker101: starting a new activity sounds a bit overkill to me in this case, bu whatchaknow
Dec 07 14:39:20 <autrilla> but*
Dec 07 14:39:42 <Duiker101> in that case, losing the stack is not really that worrying if the user rotates the screen, or you can have all just in one fragment with different views
Dec 07 14:42:10 <autrilla> Duiker101: well it isn't worrying, but it can be annoying
Dec 07 14:43:39 <Duiker101> well another thing you could do is have your signup/in fragments in an activity and the main fragment with the buttons is another activity, that makes sense and should not be overkill
Dec 07 14:46:06 <autrilla> Duiker101: so basically you'd make MyServiceSign(Up|In)Fragments activities instead
Dec 07 14:46:26 <autrilla> SignInFragment has more stuff to it than those 2 buttons, there's also social sign in buttons etc
Dec 07 14:47:13 <SimonVT> The fragment backstack is retained by the FragmentManager on configuration changes
Dec 07 14:47:32 <Duiker101> you can keep the fragments as they are, but basically you have a SigninActivity that you can start with some parameter that shows either the signup or the signin fragment
Dec 07 14:47:34 <autrilla> SimonVT: lies!
Dec 07 14:47:49 <autrilla> SimonVT: fragments on the backstack aren't retained
Dec 07 14:48:42 <autrilla> SimonVT: http://stackoverflow.com/a/17135346
Dec 07 14:49:45 <autrilla> Duiker101: hm, and make it so that when you press back if it's MyServiceSign(In|Up)Fragment, it just restarts the activity with the SignInFragment instead.
Dec 07 14:49:53 <autrilla> Is starting an activity very costly?
Dec 07 14:50:20 <Duiker101> not at all
Dec 07 14:51:58 <Duiker101> especially considering you are unlikely to have a huge stack of activities on that, you will probably open it, close it, and go about your day
Dec 07 14:52:42 <autrilla> You'll probably only open the sign in activity once in your life anyway
Dec 07 14:52:56 <autrilla> as the sign in token won't expire for all practical purpsoes
Dec 07 15:18:39 <SimonVT> autrilla: The backstack is restored, and any fragments in it re-created
Dec 07 15:18:54 <SimonVT> That's the default behavior
Dec 07 15:19:04 <autrilla> SimonVT: I can't reproduce that behavior
Dec 07 15:19:21 <pfn> then you're doing something to prevent it
Dec 07 15:19:46 <SimonVT> I've downvoted that stackoverflow answer for you, hopefully another 144 will as well
Dec 07 15:20:07 <autrilla> SimonVT: the answer-er is a googler
Dec 07 15:20:20 <autrilla> wait
Dec 07 15:20:23 <autrilla> I linked the wrong answer
Dec 07 15:20:56 <osxorgate> "To correctly save instance state of Fragment, you should do following codes:"  you know he's a noob when he talks about "codes"
Dec 07 15:22:13 <autrilla> SimonVT, osxorgate, pfn: http://stackoverflow.com/a/11318942
Dec 07 15:23:57 <SimonVT> He's talking about retained fragment (as in setRetained), not whether fragment backstack or fragment state is retained
Dec 07 15:24:43 <autrilla> SimonVT: huh?
Dec 07 15:24:51 <ondroed> idea 15.0.1 cannot resolve symbold R but project compiles ok
Dec 07 15:26:04 <autrilla> Anyway, how do you explain this logcat https://gist.github.com/autrilla/e4b8148b50dd4cc0981a from this activity then? https://gist.github.com/autrilla/fd67f660c76e0482b7db
Dec 07 15:27:19 <SimonVT> Did you call setRetainInstance?
Dec 07 15:28:13 <autrilla> SimonVT: yes.
Dec 07 15:28:27 <SimonVT>  <pfn> then you're doing something to prevent it
Dec 07 15:28:30 <SimonVT> Tadaa
Dec 07 15:29:00 <autrilla> Huh? Then why do you say fragments and the backstack are preserved?
Dec 07 15:29:01 <SimonVT> Anyway, I don't think you'd usually add the first fragment to the backstack.. Wouldn't it then be removed when pressing back?
Dec 07 15:29:12 <SimonVT> Because, by default they are
Dec 07 15:29:17 <SimonVT> Then you did something to prevent it
Dec 07 15:29:39 <autrilla> SimonVT: setRetainInstanceState does that?
Dec 07 15:29:55 <autrilla> so setRetainInstanceState(true) makes it so that the instance state is *not* preserved?
Dec 07 15:30:29 <vegetabl4salad19> *i*
Dec 07 15:30:37 <SimonVT> No, it makes it so that the instance is retained. And it doesn't work with fragments in the backstack.
Dec 07 15:30:51 <SimonVT> The key word here is instance
Dec 07 15:31:07 <SimonVT> And "doesn't work", I guess
Dec 07 15:31:25 <CodeWar> Hey .. with ART do Java method dispatches get inline caches and runtime inlining or all precompiled Java dispatches now virtually dispatched
Dec 07 15:31:41 <SimonVT> If you don't call it, the instance isn't retained, but the fragments state is.. And the fragment is recreated
Dec 07 15:31:50 <autrilla> SimonVT: I have serious trouble understanding how this stuff works. What does it mean for the activity to retain fragment state?
Dec 07 15:32:09 <SimonVT> That the state is not lost
Dec 07 15:32:15 <autrilla> what state
Dec 07 15:32:27 <autrilla> if the state is not lost, the fragment isn't recreated
Dec 07 15:32:38 <SimonVT> Whatever
Dec 07 15:32:41 <autrilla> do you mean the fragment's view state?
Dec 07 15:35:20 <autrilla> I have no idea what the setRetainInstanceState does then
Dec 07 15:35:21 <pfn> false
Dec 07 15:35:35 <pfn> retain instance = keep the fragment instance
Dec 07 15:36:06 <pfn> state, generically refers to view state and whatever you persist and restore from the bundles. that are thrown around
Dec 07 15:36:28 <pfn> android automatically persists view state for views with nonzero ids
Dec 07 15:36:50 <pfn> or non -1, I forget
Dec 07 15:36:51 <autrilla> pfn: I don't have a problem understand that
Dec 07 15:37:00 <autrilla> understanding*
Dec 07 15:37:02 <pfn> sounds like you do
Dec 07 15:37:46 <autrilla> pfn: what does setRetainInstanceState(true) do?
Dec 07 15:38:23 <autrilla> s/State/
Dec 07 15:38:28 <pfn> it means the instance of the fragment will be retained
Dec 07 15:38:38 <pfn> the actual object
Dec 07 15:38:38 <autrilla> by whom?
Dec 07 15:38:46 <pfn> by the fragment manager
Dec 07 15:39:40 <autrilla> I guess the fragment manager has a map of tags/ids -> fragments inside, and I guess that means upon activity recreation, it won't pop that fragment instance from the map?
Dec 07 15:40:13 <pfn> huh?
Dec 07 15:40:31 <pfn> retain instance has nothing to do with. back stack
Dec 07 15:42:15 <autrilla> I didn't say it had anything to do with it. So an activity's FragmenManager is retained when the activity is recreated?
Dec 07 15:42:21 <autrilla> And thus so is the backstack?
Dec 07 15:46:50 <pfn> yes
Dec 07 15:47:09 <pfn> fragment manager loves outside activity life cycle
Dec 07 15:47:22 <autrilla> pfn: okay, then I don't understand my apps output.
Dec 07 15:47:50 <autrilla> Why would setRetainInstance make it so that asking the FragmentManager for an instance with that label returns null?
Dec 07 15:48:45 <pfn> because you removed it
Dec 07 15:48:57 <autrilla> I did? when?
Dec 07 15:49:27 <pfn> I don't know, I'm not reading your code
Dec 07 15:49:54 <autrilla> Well, I didn't remove it
Dec 07 15:50:03 <pfn> so you say
Dec 07 15:50:05 <pfn> but that's what you did
Dec 07 15:50:08 <autrilla> So I say
Dec 07 15:50:34 <autrilla> I'm not removing my SignInFragment at any point
Dec 07 15:52:22 <pfn> no idea what you're doing, rotating? pressing back? home? etc.
Dec 07 15:52:30 <autrilla> Rotating
Dec 07 15:59:17 <g00s> within the last few weeks, there was a newish library - you could pull the toolbar down all the way like a window shade, anyone remember what that was ?
Dec 07 16:04:11 <g00s> aha https://github.com/NikoYuwono/ToolbarPanel
Dec 07 16:05:26 <autrilla> g00s: that looks confusing
Dec 07 16:07:01 <Die> Hey Guys! Silly question. I'm trying to set up an android dev environment on linux with android studio, and the various things / environment varirables are a little bit confusing to me. If anyone is working on linux and has a global installation for their android / java jdk / etc, would you be willing to let me know your installation locations for
Dec 07 16:07:01 <Die> the jdk/jre/android and your various $JAVA_HOME and other necessary env variables?
Dec 07 16:07:18 <pfn> only 2 variables necessary, JAVA_HOME and ANDROID_HOME
Dec 07 16:07:20 <pfn> what's confusing?
Dec 07 16:07:28 <pfn> ANDROID_HOME points to SDK path, JAVA_HOME points to JDK path
Dec 07 16:07:45 <autrilla> pfn: so, any clue why that happens?
Dec 07 16:08:35 <pfn> nope, I would dig through the source, but don't feel like it
Dec 07 16:09:03 <pfn> although
Dec 07 16:09:06 <pfn> one very obvious thing
Dec 07 16:09:13 <pfn> supportFragmentManager and subsequently fragmentManager
Dec 07 16:09:25 <pfn> bewm
Dec 07 16:09:26 <Die> I overanalyze everything, and in a new situation such as setting up a dev environment for tools I haven't used before it gets a little bit overwhelming in my head.  I'm trying to figure out the most appropriate install locations because I usually just sudo apt-get install, or install a program from the ~/Downloads folder and not in a /usr/bin /usr/
Dec 07 16:09:26 <Die> lib whatevr. Sorry if this is trivial, I've been peering over stackoverflow questions related to it but I thought you guys would be a great place to ask
Dec 07 16:09:32 <pfn> you done fukt up
Dec 07 16:12:04 <autrilla> Or, I'll just use activities
Dec 07 16:12:07 <Die> GUYS COME TO HANGOUTS THE OTHER MATT IS NOT RESPONDING AND A NEW GUY ISN'T TALKING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY
Dec 07 16:12:16 <autrilla> That's also an option
Dec 07 16:12:19 <pfn> uh
Dec 07 16:12:30 <pfn> I already pointed out your problem
Dec 07 16:12:40 <pfn> you are mixing fragmentManager and supportFragmentManager
Dec 07 16:12:41 <pfn> fail
Dec 07 16:12:48 <autrilla> pfn: oh
Dec 07 16:12:52 <pfn> u dun fukt up
Dec 07 16:13:03 <autrilla> I thought you mean to first look at the support fragment manager source, and then at the normal one
Dec 07 16:14:00 <autrilla> g00s: were you the one who wondered why the support library isn't just the SDK?
Dec 07 16:16:38 <ondroed> idea 15.0.1 cannot resolve symbold R but project compiles successfully
Dec 07 16:16:40 <ondroed> wtf?
Dec 07 16:16:58 <ondroed> did 'invalidate caches'
Dec 07 16:17:39 <pfn> the IDE isn't what you use to determine if a project is valid
Dec 07 16:17:43 <pfn> that's what your build tool is for
Dec 07 16:17:56 <pfn> not being able to resolve R means you don't have your source paths correct
Dec 07 16:18:25 <g00s> autrilla no
Dec 07 16:27:28 <ondroed> pfn: and what should i check?
Dec 07 16:27:38 <ondroed> i don't know what to do
Dec 07 16:32:30 <pfn> add the source path to your idea project
Dec 07 16:33:03 <autrilla> how bad is leaking dialogs?
Dec 07 16:33:33 <Looney> Anyone here used SugarORM? Does it support many-to-many relationships?
Dec 07 16:33:33 <autrilla> or: can a dialog be contained in a fragment, and not live in the activity?
Dec 07 16:35:11 <Duiker101> autrilla depends what do you mean contained, if you just want to instantiate a dialog from a fragment, you can
Dec 07 16:35:16 <Duiker101> it just takes a context
Dec 07 16:35:22 <eghdk> I have a List<Articles> that needs to be injected into an Activity using dagger. The thing is, until the user is authenticated, I don't want to inject the List. But the list get's injected either way. Any thoughts around this issue?
Dec 07 16:35:47 <autrilla> Duiker101: yes, but if you rotate the phone, the dialog leaks
Dec 07 16:36:20 <Duiker101> yep, you can use dialogfragments
Dec 07 16:36:24 <pfn> more along the lines of you get an ugly warning
Dec 07 16:36:30 <pfn> and I hate dialogs....
Dec 07 16:36:45 <autrilla> pfn: hm well, I don't know how else to notify the user of errors
Dec 07 16:36:55 <g00s> autrilla snackbar
Dec 07 16:37:14 <pfn> keep a handle to dismiss on-destroy
Dec 07 16:37:27 <pfn> I've switched to using overlay views for most of my dialog-like needs
Dec 07 16:37:28 * autrilla really really dislikes state
Dec 07 16:37:39 <autrilla> Oh, also, funny thing I noticed
Dec 07 16:38:01 <autrilla> The buttons of one of my fragments are still clickable even though they're invisible
Dec 07 16:38:09 <autrilla> I mean, hidden by another fragment
Dec 07 16:38:21 <pfn> that's normal if the fragmenta bove it isn't clickable
Dec 07 16:38:26 <pfn> it passes clicks through unless clickable
Dec 07 16:39:08 <autrilla> pfn: I see, does adding a fragment to a layout element where you had already added one simply place it on top?
Dec 07 16:41:36 <pfn> depends on your container type, framelayout, of course
Dec 07 16:44:21 <g00s> from kotlin blog: "We are working hard on the standard library to get it into the best shape before 1.0. This involves some experimentation, so new deprecations happen and new functions are added. "
Dec 07 16:44:30 <g00s> seems they are still quite some ways from 1.0
Dec 07 16:44:34 <autrilla> pfn: ah, okay, it's a framelayout. Maybe I want something else?
Dec 07 16:44:49 <autrilla> g00s: are you using it already? I am
Dec 07 16:44:51 <g00s> autrilla have you used Google Drive app ?
Dec 07 16:44:59 <pfn> autrilla, you want replace(), not add()
Dec 07 16:45:08 <autrilla> g00s: I have it installed, though I don't use it much
Dec 07 16:45:26 <g00s> autrilla open it up, and press (i) on an item, see how they do dialogs, its pretty cool
Dec 07 16:45:32 <g00s> i started doing that too
Dec 07 16:45:41 <autrilla> g00s: wait, on a browser?
Dec 07 16:45:47 <g00s> no the app
Dec 07 16:45:56 <autrilla> ah okay, not the i key
Dec 07 16:45:56 <g00s> Google Drive APP
Dec 07 16:45:59 <autrilla> the (i) icon
Dec 07 16:46:03 <g00s> yeah
Dec 07 16:46:26 <autrilla> looks complicated
Dec 07 16:46:34 <g00s> its just NavigationDrawer
Dec 07 16:46:42 <autrilla> hm
Dec 07 16:47:06 <autrilla> well I'm just using the dialog to tell the user there was an error logging in, so maybe a toast is better for that purpose
Dec 07 16:47:15 <g00s> snack
Dec 07 16:47:18 <drose379> Snackbard autrilla
Dec 07 16:47:22 <drose379> Bar*
Dec 07 16:47:23 <g00s> autrilla nobody uses toasts anymore
Dec 07 16:47:34 * g00s wonders where autrilla has been
Dec 07 16:47:45 <g00s> and read the snack guidelines too
Dec 07 16:47:48 <autrilla> I haven't touched android since 2 years ago or so
Dec 07 16:47:55 <autrilla> maybe even more
Dec 07 16:47:57 <drose379> autrilla, what you making?
Dec 07 16:48:03 <g00s> autrilla lucky you :D
Dec 07 16:48:10 <autrilla> stuff to program IoT devices
Dec 07 16:48:15 <drose379> Beacons?
Dec 07 16:48:20 <autrilla> g00s: judging from my experience, yes :p
Dec 07 16:48:34 <drose379> Why you guys hate on Android?
Dec 07 16:48:34 <Duiker101> smart toaster :D
Dec 07 16:48:38 <autrilla> drose379: temperature sensors for now. Also push notifications for temperature alarm stuff
Dec 07 16:48:48 <autrilla> Duiker101: IoT toaster indeed
Dec 07 16:48:49 <drose379> Sweet, use GCM for push
Dec 07 16:48:55 <autrilla> yeah, planned on it
Dec 07 16:49:03 <drose379> Cool
Dec 07 16:49:07 <drose379> Enjoy :)
Dec 07 16:49:08 <autrilla> I truly enjoy writing my backend in python more than I do writing the Android app :p
Dec 07 16:49:12 <Duiker101> well if it breaks it might become a real human toaster :D
Dec 07 16:49:25 <autrilla> Duiker101: *sentient* IoT toaster
Dec 07 16:50:14 <drose379> autrilla, what dont you like about android?
Dec 07 16:51:26 <autrilla> There's a lot of things. The layout, for one, it's soooo 2008. They're trying to make it better with bindings but it's not as good as WPF, for example
Dec 07 16:51:32 <autrilla> Also, Java.
Dec 07 16:52:07 <drose379> Dont like java?
Dec 07 16:52:25 <pfn> then don't write java
Dec 07 16:52:26 <autrilla> I prefer other languages. Java 8 is not bad
Dec 07 16:52:27 * Looney doesn't likes Java
Dec 07 16:52:31 <autrilla> pfn: I write kotlin!
Dec 07 16:52:31 <pfn> I despise writing python
Dec 07 16:52:39 <pfn> too much dynamic
Dec 07 16:52:41 * autrilla smacks pfn
Dec 07 16:52:47 * Looney consider pfn blasphemer
Dec 07 16:52:48 <Duiker101> oh man wpf is the shit
Dec 07 16:52:56 <pfn> for little things, it's OK
Dec 07 16:52:59 <g00s> im predicting within next few years, google will make Android apps possible with dart / flutter as first class citizen .. leaving you 2 options (the regular java way, dart) and then a little after that be like 'oh hai guys, no more java'
Dec 07 16:53:06 <pfn> once you go big, yuck
Dec 07 16:53:16 <Looney> How can someone not like Python?
Dec 07 16:53:23 <drose379> WB PHP?
Dec 07 16:53:25 <autrilla> pfn: yeah well big players have complained about that
Dec 07 16:53:32 <Duiker101> python is cool too
Dec 07 16:53:34 <autrilla> it'll hopefully get better with type hints? dunno
Dec 07 16:53:48 <autrilla> g00s: well right now Android has very little to do with Java tbh
Dec 07 16:54:08 <g00s> autrilla except the whole framework is in java :P
Dec 07 16:54:11 <autrilla> they just compile the java stdlib for their custom VM... which isn't even a VM anymore
Dec 07 16:54:23 <g00s> oh, sure
Dec 07 16:54:25 <Looney> I really wished that Google had gone with either C or C++ instead of Java
Dec 07 16:54:30 <autrilla> Looney: ew
Dec 07 16:54:39 <Looney> Don't hate me please
Dec 07 16:54:43 <Duiker101> i think that if they went for that, android would have flopped
Dec 07 16:54:52 <g00s> C for apps? maybe device drivers ;)
Dec 07 16:55:07 <autrilla> writing business logic in C is for crazy people
Dec 07 16:55:13 <g00s> but if more of the framework was in C, then you could theoretically plop any binding ontop and be happy
Dec 07 16:55:15 <Looney> Well C++ does support Objects and hip stuff
Dec 07 16:55:15 <Duiker101> java was already in the mobile space, and it's an ok language, not too hard but has the right tools
Dec 07 16:55:20 <pfn> the only reason android got big was because of Java
Dec 07 16:55:21 <drose379> What do you mean by business logic autrilla
Dec 07 16:55:30 <autrilla> pfn: and google
Dec 07 16:55:34 <autrilla> primarily google
Dec 07 16:55:53 <g00s> the only reason android got big was because it was the only thing there
Dec 07 16:56:01 <g00s> after ios, what was an oem to do ;)
Dec 07 16:56:01 <Duiker101> i don't think, even google couln't have gotten everyone to make apps in c
Dec 07 16:56:03 <Looney> I understand that getting traction initially could have been tough had they started out with C++
Dec 07 16:56:12 <autrilla> g00s: develop their own crap!
Dec 07 16:56:21 <g00s> autrilla would take years!
Dec 07 16:56:33 <pfn> autrilla, primarily java
Dec 07 16:56:34 <autrilla> g00s: and yet samsung is still trying to do it
Dec 07 16:56:37 <Duiker101> well they are now with dart no?
Dec 07 16:56:48 <Duiker101> and they will fail
Dec 07 16:57:05 <pfn> without java, android would have flopped
Dec 07 16:57:22 <lexton> anyone interested in helping start an android databinding/mvvm channel?
Dec 07 16:57:23 <autrilla> pfn: that would have also happened without Google
Dec 07 16:57:26 <Looney> pfn: I think that it would have take more time to pull Android oof
Dec 07 16:57:28 <Looney> *off
Dec 07 16:57:34 <g00s> at this point, android has enough marketshare, google can do whatever it wants - and you will follow. they could go scheme and everybody would jump
Dec 07 16:57:43 <Looney> but they would have gotten it off the ground
Dec 07 16:57:46 <Looney> They are Google
Dec 07 16:57:51 <pfn> not particularly
Dec 07 16:57:55 <autrilla> g00s: apple was even using Objective C until now!
Dec 07 16:58:04 <Duiker101> no not really, so many google projects fail
Dec 07 16:58:07 <pfn> Nokia and bb have been around and programmable forever
Dec 07 16:58:10 <g00s> they are still using Obj-C for stuff, its not going away
Dec 07 16:58:22 <pfn> incumbents in the space, but without the right technology to pull it off
Dec 07 16:58:30 <pfn> java is what let google pull android off
Dec 07 16:58:39 <autrilla> java is nothing special
Dec 07 16:58:41 <pfn> and j2me is not java
Dec 07 16:59:07 <Duiker101> g00s, just look at glass, google gave it a lot of exposure and everything, but was not able to pull it off
Dec 07 16:59:16 <autrilla> Duiker101: because it's weird
Dec 07 16:59:25 <g00s> using a managed language for resource constrained devices, which had poor runtime characteristics like a crappy ass GC was total fail though
Dec 07 16:59:48 <g00s> xamarin guys had a tool which converts java android projects to C#, and on their runtime w/o modification they ran about twice as fast
Dec 07 17:00:03 <autrilla> g00s: c# is managed too?
Dec 07 17:00:08 <g00s> so google kinda dropped the ball not so much with java, but makeing its runtime good on resource constrained devices
Dec 07 17:00:16 <autrilla> I know you can also write unmanaged code, but..
Dec 07 17:00:40 <g00s> autrilla i mean not inherent part of java itself but poor impl of runtime
Dec 07 17:01:15 <g00s> one of the biggests problems, is allocating lots of immutable objects. and having a crappy GC is problem in that scenario
Dec 07 17:01:20 <g00s> or short lived objects
Dec 07 17:01:44 <g00s> EVEN NOW, the runtime only consolidates heap fragmentation when the app goes in the background
Dec 07 17:02:27 <autrilla> I should probably try Windows Phone, see how developing for it is
Dec 07 17:02:33 <autrilla> Probably like Android, or worse
Dec 07 17:03:06 <g00s> i think MS strategy of open sourcing .net core was kinda brilliant
Dec 07 17:03:36 <g00s> but apple is just doing the same thing now with Swift
Dec 07 17:03:36 <autrilla> Everyone seems to be going open source now
Dec 07 17:04:17 <g00s> so we will have these major platforms where you can use the same language for tiny things, scripting, apps, desktop, and server/cloud : Java ecosystem, swift, and ,net
Dec 07 17:04:54 <autrilla> g00s: million dollar idea: use the same language on all platforms
Dec 07 17:05:08 <pfn> autrilla, you can do that with xamarin already
Dec 07 17:05:14 <Duiker101> https://xkcd.com/927/
Dec 07 17:05:29 <g00s> a lot of xamarin is being folded into .net core
Dec 07 17:05:41 <g00s> except the GUI stuff like GTK bindings
Dec 07 17:06:06 <g00s> but still, in all of this, i thing google still wants to develop for only one platform : the web
Dec 07 17:06:10 <pfn> robovm let's you use any jvm language on android and ios
Dec 07 17:06:14 <g00s> and so they wil keep pushing things like dart
Dec 07 17:06:37 <g00s> robovm is owned by xamarin now, not sure what its future / pricing will be
Dec 07 17:07:00 <Looney> +1 for the relevant xkcd Duiker101
Dec 07 17:07:41 <Duiker101> xkcd is always relevant. Anyway, xamarin seems cool, if it wasn't that expensive
Dec 07 17:07:47 <g00s> i dont see all these runtimes as competing standards
Dec 07 17:07:55 <g00s> they aren't being held to any standard
Dec 07 17:08:22 <Looney> Has anyone here used Sugar ORM?
Dec 07 17:08:26 <g00s> who the hell wants to use a technology held by oracle any how
Dec 07 17:08:35 <Looney> Does it support many-to-many relationship?
Dec 07 17:08:37 <g00s> they fuck up everything they touch
Dec 07 17:09:00 <Looney> Thus yours truly advocating C++ for Android  *ducks*
Dec 07 17:09:24 <g00s> Looney i would agree with you, if it was EASY to write bindings to C++
Dec 07 17:09:40 <autrilla> does android use any oracle stuff? I don't think so
Dec 07 17:09:44 <g00s> so then the frameowrk could be in C++ then and you could go off and use language X and bind to it , with java or whatever
Dec 07 17:09:53 <g00s> but binding to C++ is pita too. C is very easy
Dec 07 17:10:19 <g00s> thats why the guy who wrote 0mq is always crying that his impl wasn't in C originally
Dec 07 17:10:20 <g00s> hehe
Dec 07 17:10:33 <g00s> so he restarted with nanomsg
Dec 07 17:11:03 <Looney> C++ for app development would make sense because you could choose/use from many of the toolchains
Dec 07 17:11:53 <g00s> you could argue its possible to write more efficient c++ code than java
Dec 07 17:12:22 <g00s> yeah, there are some pros with c++ for app dev, but these days its a pretty polarizing language
Dec 07 17:12:28 <Looney> Amne g00s
Dec 07 17:12:29 <g00s> people either love or hate it
Dec 07 17:12:51 <Looney> It is efficiency that I advocate
Dec 07 17:13:00 <g00s> cedric buest said the other day, kotlin and swift aren't polarizing languages
Dec 07 17:13:20 <g00s> i agree with that, they are kinda like a rolling average of best language design principles from the last few years
Dec 07 17:14:11 <g00s> since its so easy to call from swift into C, i think thats a huge win. jvm is kinda isolationist
Dec 07 17:14:22 <g00s> and jni sucks ass
Dec 07 17:14:31 <autrilla> <3 C#
Dec 07 17:14:52 <g00s> autrilla i have my effective C# 6e right here ! and VS Code running as we speak :D
Dec 07 17:14:52 <autrilla> g00s: is it as easy to call C from swift as it is from C#?
Dec 07 17:15:01 <Looney> I do hope that one day Google will get their act straight and start supporting C++ as first class language for app development
Dec 07 17:15:03 <g00s> autrilla looks easier
Dec 07 17:15:41 <g00s> Looney i dont think it will ever happen. remember, long ago, google chose 3 languages for all their things: C++, Python, and Java. now these days i'm sure more stuff is there
Dec 07 17:15:53 <g00s> but its been in their DNA for a long time, and they didn't choose it
Dec 07 17:15:57 <g00s> (for android)
Dec 07 17:16:02 <g00s> not going to happen imho
Dec 07 17:16:17 <autrilla> pick python, pick python
Dec 07 17:16:31 <g00s> and .. the trend is away from dynamically typed languages, so no python
Dec 07 17:16:45 <Looney> Python is good but not cut for Android
Dec 07 17:16:50 <g00s> although 'trend' may be too strong/subjective
Dec 07 17:16:54 <danijoo> just do kotlin :pp
Dec 07 17:17:05 <autrilla> danijoo: kotlin is just a bit better syntax than java
Dec 07 17:17:18 <autrilla> I wonder why they didn't remove curly braces entirely :p
Dec 07 17:17:20 <g00s> kotlin doesn't help anything because it still needs java runtime, and google's problem is classpath is becoming out of sync with opracle
Dec 07 17:17:22 <danijoo> kotlin is more then syntax
Dec 07 17:17:34 <danijoo> but still jvm, yeah :/
Dec 07 17:17:42 <pfn> if you really wanted, you could write android apps using jython
Dec 07 17:17:51 <autrilla> pfn: hahaha
Dec 07 17:17:51 <g00s> jvm is dead end for android, period, unless they invest in a language that has its own stand-alone runtime
Dec 07 17:18:06 <jaana> That’s preposterous, g00s
Dec 07 17:18:10 <jaana> dead end for Android?
Dec 07 17:18:20 <autrilla> android doesn't use the jvm
Dec 07 17:18:23 <jaana> (and first of all, there is no JVM on Android)
Dec 07 17:18:25 <danijoo> wont happen tomorrow ;)
Dec 07 17:18:37 <g00s> i use JVM as shorthand, we all know what it means (runtime, classpath)
Dec 07 17:18:43 <g00s> who care if its aot or jit
Dec 07 17:19:17 <novak> jit isn't a runtime.
Dec 07 17:19:20 <g00s> but as jigsaw comes around, libraries start saying "i depend on java.io version 8" we're pretty fucked
Dec 07 17:19:29 <g00s> square can't rewrite everything for us
Dec 07 17:19:32 <pfn> not fucked in the least
Dec 07 17:19:59 <pfn> existing libraries will continue to work for years to come
Dec 07 17:20:08 <novak> yea, it is a weak argument.
Dec 07 17:20:29 <g00s> i was using netty-core 4, and those guys are saying, screw it, we're not supporting android any more
Dec 07 17:20:38 <novak> the jvm has nothing to do with being a few versions of the language behind.
Dec 07 17:20:39 <g00s> i'm sure lots of libraries are having that cobnversation
Dec 07 17:20:49 <autrilla> pfn: outdated libraries will continue to work for years to come
Dec 07 17:20:57 <g00s> novak it has a lot to do with not having the classpath right
Dec 07 17:21:01 <autrilla> read outdated as insecure
Dec 07 17:21:15 <g00s> yeah, great future : stay on this old broken library
Dec 07 17:21:23 <g00s> any fixes improvements, sorry
Dec 07 17:21:30 <pfn> autrilla, on android, less important for a vast number of libraries
Dec 07 17:21:41 <pfn> autrilla, the ones for which security matters will be maintained
Dec 07 17:21:44 <novak> the problem is keeping up with versions, not the runtime itself.
Dec 07 17:21:46 <g00s> novak == michael novak jr ?
Dec 07 17:21:48 <autrilla> judging by security news, indeed
Dec 07 17:22:00 <novak> yes.
Dec 07 17:22:00 <g00s> novak thats my argument, sorry to be confusing
Dec 07 17:22:02 <pfn> autrilla, name a library for which this is an issue
Dec 07 17:22:18 <g00s> novak ha! you haven't been around so long, did you have to get a new nick ?
Dec 07 17:22:22 <pfn> autrilla, almost none outside of core. crypto libs
Dec 07 17:22:31 <autrilla> pfn: there can be security issues on all libraries
Dec 07 17:22:37 <novak> i've been quite busy for a long time ;)
Dec 07 17:22:38 <jonky> howdy
Dec 07 17:23:15 <g00s> when you take a look at a library, its transitive dependencies, i think the last research i saw was that there was an average of 35 security issues per app because of all the crap they used
Dec 07 17:23:29 <pfn> the only outstanding issue recently in java libraries is the unchecked deserialization in apache-commons, which is a pretty uncommon practice on android in any case
Dec 07 17:23:34 <g00s> damn, that was a few months ago i don't think i'll find that one again
Dec 07 17:24:10 <jonky> is there a standard way to verify a url pattern from a text input, or do I need to write a regex?
Dec 07 17:24:14 <pfn> autrilla, there can be security issues, but issues that actually have an impact in a mobile environment? much less likely
Dec 07 17:24:25 <danijoo> g00s, was this this university study where they had a huge list/table of common apps with their issue?
Dec 07 17:24:33 <danijoo> issues*
Dec 07 17:24:40 <danijoo> I think I saw that one too
Dec 07 17:24:41 <pfn> e.g. you can have security issues that enable remote-execution, but if a mobile device isn't internet accessible, it's moot
Dec 07 17:25:06 <autrilla> pfn: please use a better example
Dec 07 17:25:08 <danijoo> jonky, regex is the standard way :)
Dec 07 17:25:16 <pfn> I just gave 2 very concrete examples
Dec 07 17:25:19 <autrilla> not all carriers do CGN
Dec 07 17:25:36 <autrilla> not all WiFi networks are NATted
Dec 07 17:25:39 <pfn> or not even mobile device, but if the app making use of the library isn't network accessible
Dec 07 17:25:44 <jonky> danijoo, i meant is there a built-in method that already does that?
Dec 07 17:25:50 <pfn> most apps don't even support inbound network connectivity
Dec 07 17:25:57 <pfn> probably even 99% of
Dec 07 17:26:01 <g00s> danijoo yeah it was maybe last 2-3 months
Dec 07 17:26:15 <danijoo> jonky, you could try to make an url object from it and see if it throws an exception
Dec 07 17:26:24 <danijoo> but a regex would be more elegant here
Dec 07 17:26:25 <autrilla> pfn: it doesn't have to be inbound for remote execution
Dec 07 17:26:39 <autrilla> it could be something as simple as an http response
Dec 07 17:26:50 <pfn> autrilla, again, depends on characteristics
Dec 07 17:27:22 <pfn> could be, but most often isn't
Dec 07 17:27:52 <autrilla> I have no idea how to make this login fragment look nice, it looks so empty with just two fields
Dec 07 17:28:05 <pfn> branding graphics
Dec 07 17:28:16 <pfn> information about signing in, advantages of, registration link, etc.
Dec 07 17:28:27 <autrilla> pfn: I already have them on the main sign in fragment
Dec 07 17:28:28 <danijoo> or a unicorn
Dec 07 17:28:30 <Chainfire> ads, fill it with ads!
Dec 07 17:28:35 <drose379> Trying to figure out what to do with the "Selections" section below the 4 buttons
Dec 07 17:28:39 <drose379> Just looks off to me right now
Dec 07 17:28:40 <drose379> https://vid.me/fzrc
Dec 07 17:29:07 <autrilla> The main one basically has 2 social sign in buttons, and then sign in and sign up with us
Dec 07 17:29:20 <autrilla> advantages? None. Please just use Google/Facebook
Dec 07 17:30:01 <danijoo> you just have to make the buttons big enough autrilla :p
Dec 07 17:30:07 <jonky> danijoo, Url uses .isValidUrl to verify urls, and it's well...rather retarded.  it accepts "http://" as a valid url.  I guess i'll be using a regex then
Dec 07 17:30:13 <autrilla> danijoo: oh no the main one looks good to me
Dec 07 17:30:23 <autrilla> it's just the sign in and sign up with us that looks boring
Dec 07 17:30:31 <jonky> danijoo, and thanks for the assistance
Dec 07 17:30:52 <g00s> danijoo still trying to find it, along these lines http://ieee-security.org/TC/SPW2015/MoST/papers/s2p3.pdf
Dec 07 17:31:00 <g00s> "G. Library Vulnerabilities"
Dec 07 17:31:43 <autrilla> danijoo: maybe it's really bad, but it looks decent to me http://i.imgur.com/GkzbwdM.png
Dec 07 17:31:48 <autrilla> I'm obviously not a designer
Dec 07 17:31:50 <danijoo> g00s, cant find it :(
Dec 07 17:32:03 <g00s> thats ok, i'll try to find the other one
Dec 07 17:32:12 <danijoo> autrilla, i think its not bad
Dec 07 17:32:20 <danijoo> i would have done it different though :)
Dec 07 17:33:04 <cart_man> danijoo: Do you know how I can use this string as is without removing all the string manipulation ? Example -> "<description>&lt;img width="680" height="425" src="https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/android.jpg?w=680" class="attachment-large size-large wp-post-image" alt="android" /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Education startup General Assembly, hot off raising a monster $70M round of funding, has partnered with Google to off
Dec 07 17:33:15 <danijoo> i'd assume people already have an account and only let them login with creds/facebook/googlemail and a smaller registration button
Dec 07 17:33:17 <g00s> haha, maybe google will rewrite j2objc to j2swift :D
Dec 07 17:33:47 <autrilla> danijoo: oh? how do you assume they already have an account?
Dec 07 17:33:51 <autrilla> There's no web app
Dec 07 17:34:12 <autrilla> oh, okay, never mind
Dec 07 17:34:16 <danijoo> autrilla, they could have opened the app before :)
Dec 07 17:34:32 <autrilla> danijoo: I'll keep you logged in forever, don't worry!
Dec 07 17:34:36 <danijoo> but dont bother changing it
Dec 07 17:34:43 <autrilla> just don't remove the app's data!
Dec 07 17:34:43 <danijoo> i think its nice the way it is now
Dec 07 17:34:51 <danijoo> hehe
Dec 07 17:35:56 <g00s> oh man VZ looking at buying Yahoo O.o
Dec 07 17:36:00 <autrilla> This is the one I think looks terrible http://i.imgur.com/6PmhEbu.png
Dec 07 17:36:21 <cart_man> danijoo: I want to use the string with the xml formatting that they give me?
Dec 07 17:36:25 <autrilla> Your keyboard will be open in this screen so maybe it's not that bad
Dec 07 17:36:36 <autrilla> Also, do keyboards have a fixed size in terms of dp?
Dec 07 17:36:41 <danijoo> autrilla, you could integrate that in the previous screen.
Dec 07 17:36:55 <danijoo> instead of making it seperate
Dec 07 17:37:19 <danijoo> email/password as edittexts and then a seperator and then the options to use google/facebook instead
Dec 07 17:37:42 <autrilla> danijoo: and two buttons that use the same edittexts?
Dec 07 17:37:51 <danijoo> cart_man, whats the reason for targetting me with this question?
Dec 07 17:38:00 <danijoo> autrilla, maybe
Dec 07 17:38:06 <danijoo> (but i also suck at design)
Dec 07 17:38:16 <autrilla> danijoo: I also tried that and I found it a bit confusing
Dec 07 17:38:17 <cart_man> danijoo: Hmmm did I not speak to you earlier today ?
Dec 07 17:38:33 <autrilla> Mainly because usually people ask for a lot of info when signing up
Dec 07 17:38:34 <danijoo> cart_man, I spent the whole day in lab so no
Dec 07 17:38:34 <cart_man> danijoo: shit I am not sure it was you
Dec 07 17:39:26 <danijoo> cart_man, but I think what you are looking for is Html.fromHtml(string) method
Dec 07 17:42:38 <ondroed> idea 15.0.1 cannot resolve symbold R but project compiles successfully
Dec 07 17:42:45 <ondroed> :(
Dec 07 17:42:51 <g00s> thats a miracle ondroed :D
Dec 07 17:43:01 <ondroed> :)
Dec 07 17:43:20 <ondroed> it worked ok but became this shit
Dec 07 17:43:34 <drose379> Should be able to resolve R after you re-compile
Dec 07 17:43:38 <drose379> No?
Dec 07 17:44:12 <ondroed> i tried: clean, rebuild, invalidate cache
Dec 07 17:44:19 <drose379> Still cannot resolve R?
Dec 07 17:44:22 <ondroed> yes
Dec 07 17:44:28 <drose379> Restart A
Dec 07 17:44:29 <drose379> S
Dec 07 17:44:39 <ondroed> ?
Dec 07 17:45:12 <drose379> Open and close AS
Dec 07 17:45:44 <ondroed> i have idea not as
Dec 07 17:45:54 <ondroed> and i restarted it
Dec 07 17:46:50 <drose379> O
Dec 07 17:46:54 <drose379> Yeah, idk. Sorry
Dec 07 17:50:37 <jonky> I'm trying to override the background color for the App.Compat theme. i changed android:colorBackground and it shows up correctly in the renderer, but when i deploy to my device, it is the default color. what am i missing?
Dec 07 17:51:26 <drose379> Is there any way to get access to a parent layout file from XML?
Dec 07 17:56:09 <g00s> anyone know if rxjava 1.1.0 /or forward/ will require retrolambda or is that just rxjava 2
Dec 07 17:57:03 <g00s> in other words is 1.1.x pretty much going to stay the same wrt platform requirements (not needing java 8)
Dec 07 17:58:26 <g00s> thats what will be cool about jigsaw, just look at the module declaration
Dec 07 18:15:15 <pfn> add the source dir for R to your project
Dec 07 18:15:20 <pfn> that's simple...
Dec 07 18:15:35 <pfn> right click the source dir in your project nav -> mark as source
Dec 07 18:15:36 <ondroed> how?
Dec 07 18:15:36 <pfn> done
Dec 07 18:15:51 <pfn> why are you using idea instead of android studio if you're clueless?
Dec 07 18:15:51 <ondroed> it's marked as source
Dec 07 18:15:59 <pfn> then it will be resolved
Dec 07 18:16:15 <ondroed> but it's not
Dec 07 18:16:24 <autrilla> pfn: fwiw I'm using idea and it Just Worked
Dec 07 18:16:30 <pfn> autrilla, I know it just works
Dec 07 18:17:17 <pfn> autrilla, but ondroed doesn't know how to make it "just work"
Dec 07 18:17:50 <ondroed> it worked ok but now it doesn't
Dec 07 18:17:58 <autrilla> ondroed: you'll probably be done faster by creating a new project
Dec 07 18:18:20 <ondroed> ok i'll try
Dec 07 18:19:34 <ondroed> here what i have: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17421104/android-studio-marks-r-in-red-with-error-message-cannot-resolve-symbol-r-but
Dec 07 18:20:10 <pfn> then mark the source tree containing R as source
Dec 07 18:20:11 <pfn> you're done
Dec 07 18:21:26 <pfn> idea never even generates R for me
Dec 07 18:21:30 <pfn> and it has always resolved
Dec 07 18:21:46 <drose379> You dont use AS?
Dec 07 18:23:50 <ondroed> drose379: me?
Dec 07 18:24:04 <ondroed> i don't
Dec 07 18:24:18 <drose379> How come?
Dec 07 18:24:24 <drose379> Just wondering
Dec 07 18:25:45 <ondroed> for doing not just android projects i guess
Dec 07 18:26:11 <drose379> Ok
Dec 07 18:29:47 <g00s> ondroed unless you know what you're doing, maybe use AS for android and whatever for whatever
Dec 07 18:35:38 <astroduck> How to show Hamburger icon on ActionBar. setDisplayShowHomeEnabled doesn't work
Dec 07 18:36:26 <ondroed> pfn: project/app/build/generated/source/r/debug marked as source
Dec 07 18:42:55 <astroduck> help!
Dec 07 18:46:31 <danijoo> <astroduck> help!    << best way to get no help at all :p
Dec 07 18:46:52 <astroduck> danijoo: Help plz! ... is that good
Dec 07 18:46:58 <danijoo> even worse
Dec 07 18:47:08 <cart_man> Does anybody know how I can make removing all the extras from this string simpler? -> <description>&lt;img width="680" height="425" src="https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/android.jpg?w=680" class="attachment-large size-large wp-post-image" alt="android" /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Education startup General Assembly, hot off raising a monster $70M round of funding, has partnered with Google to offer an immersive course on 
Dec 07 18:47:25 <cart_man> I just want to remove all the non-readable stuff
Dec 07 18:48:23 <dragorn> people have tried to parse html with regex for a decade.  You really need to parse it as html and extract the entities you need.
Dec 07 18:48:34 <danijoo> Html.fromHtml for that
Dec 07 18:48:48 <dragorn> (probably more than a decade, and it never goes well)
Dec 07 18:48:50 <cart_man> danijoo: I tried but it seems like the same string on the app : /
Dec 07 18:49:01 <danijoo> cart_man, because your string is bad decoded
Dec 07 18:49:22 <cart_man> dragorn: I get that string straight from my html retriever
Dec 07 18:49:30 <danijoo> decode it properly so this stuff shows the correct character: &gt;&amp;nbsp
Dec 07 18:49:30 <dragorn> then your html receiver is broken
Dec 07 18:49:32 <dragorn> 'cause that's boned
Dec 07 18:49:33 <cart_man> danijoo: What do you mean? can I do something about it though?
Dec 07 18:49:46 <cart_man> :( dammit
Dec 07 18:50:13 <dragorn> it's doing xml escaping inside the html string, which is definitely broken
Dec 07 18:50:31 <cart_man> dragorn: Ahmm ok how do I avoid that though?
Dec 07 18:50:48 <dragorn> no clue, no idea what you're using, what you're fetching it from, or what's broken about it
Dec 07 18:50:51 <danijoo> I guess this isnt your code, is it?
Dec 07 18:50:59 <ondroed> pfn, g00s: that was some kind of visual illusion - i switched to another file wich use R.blablabla to, and idea was ok there, switch back and it highlighthhf
Dec 07 18:51:11 <cart_man> danijoo: No I am not ruling out that at all... could def be my code
Dec 07 18:51:42 <dragorn> looks like you have to parse out the description tag then process all the xml entities into a properly xml encoded string, then parse that as html and extract the entities you need
Dec 07 18:51:48 <ondroed> so i removed all imports and add them with idea again and that illusion gone )
Dec 07 18:52:23 <ondroed> thank you people for help
Dec 07 18:52:26 <danijoo> cart_man, if its your site, stop scraping html and write yourself a REST service
Dec 07 18:52:30 <danijoo> if not, ask the owner :p
Dec 07 18:53:13 <cart_man> danijoo:  -> http://pastebin.com/aLDRVVSW
Dec 07 18:53:21 <cart_man> danijoo: Whooaaaa waait.. a rest server ?
Dec 07 18:56:29 <cart_man> danijoo: I am not even quite sure what a rest server does :s
Dec 07 18:57:20 <s73v3r> sounds like a perfect time to find out
Dec 07 18:57:49 <s73v3r> scraping HTML is an awful way to do anything.
Dec 07 18:58:17 <s73v3r> if it’s your site, there’s absolutely no excuse for exposing the data in a way that your app can easily consume.
Dec 07 18:58:34 <cart_man> s73v3r: No its an RSS feed
Dec 07 18:58:45 <cart_man> Il lgive an example
Dec 07 18:58:47 <s73v3r> then you’re doing something wrong
Dec 07 18:58:51 <cart_man> http://feeds.feedburner.com/techcrunch/android?format=xml
Dec 07 18:59:00 <s73v3r> for one, RSS is not HTML. It’s XML
Dec 07 18:59:14 <cart_man> If there is an easier way to extract the rss data from that site then please let me know
Dec 07 18:59:40 <s73v3r> subscribe to the RSS feed itself
Dec 07 19:00:11 <cart_man> Hmm.. ok so what do you suggest? Is there a way to load the index as XML rather then?
Dec 07 19:00:23 <cart_man> s73v3r: Well its not that simple... How can I mass subscribe every person with the app?
Dec 07 19:00:48 <s73v3r> you’d have to ask feedburner or TechCrunch about getting the raw RSS
Dec 07 19:01:08 <cart_man> s73v3r: Would there be any costs involved ?
Dec 07 19:01:15 <s73v3r> don’t know
Dec 07 19:02:35 <cart_man> s73v3r: Ok but lets say I use the XML straight as is.. is there a better way to maybe get that XML into an Object directly?
Dec 07 19:02:58 <s73v3r> if you have the XML, then you can just use any of a dozen XML parsing libraries to do it
Dec 07 19:03:08 <s73v3r> hell, you could probably find an RSS library to do it
Dec 07 19:04:24 <s73v3r> what you’d probably want to do is do a web request on that URL, and then the Response object should give you the XML
Dec 07 19:05:13 <s73v3r> yeah, testing it in Postman shows that the response of a GET request is regular XML
Dec 07 19:06:20 <s73v3r> although it looks like the Description field might contain HTML, so you’d have to parse that as HTML
Dec 07 19:06:58 <cart_man> ugh maaaaan
Dec 07 19:08:16 <s73v3r> yeah, it does sound like a pain
Dec 07 19:25:23 <s73v3r> What’s the default Looper that a Handler gets created with?
Dec 07 19:26:14 <g00s> s73v3r should be easy to look up, i think the main looper
Dec 07 19:26:24 <g00s> if you want another, use HandlerThread
Dec 07 19:26:35 <g00s> or make another thread, install a looper, etc ..
Dec 07 19:26:36 <s73v3r> the docs say “default looper"
Dec 07 19:26:45 <s73v3r> would that be the same as Looper.getMainLooper()?
Dec 07 19:27:00 <g00s> i think so
Dec 07 19:27:29 <SimonVT> No, the default Looper is the Looper of the current thread
Dec 07 19:27:33 <s73v3r> so saying new Handler(Looper.getMainLooper()) would be redundant?
Dec 07 19:27:35 <s73v3r> oh, ok
Dec 07 19:27:37 <SimonVT> As in, https://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html#Handler()
Dec 07 20:13:48 <explodes_> if there is no looper on your thread, something bad is going to happen
Dec 07 20:14:23 <g00s> Looper.myLooper() returns null
Dec 07 20:14:30 <g00s> and yeah :)
Dec 07 20:21:01 <explodes_> Is anyones debugger working in AS 2.0 :<
Dec 07 20:21:14 <explodes_> AS 2.0 Preview 2, actually
Dec 07 20:22:02 <explodes_> It's only the first round of attempts I've made to use it, but it is failing somewhat unremarkably. Breakpoints become (x)'s after the debugger allegedly attaches
Dec 07 20:22:37 <eghdk> How should I tell a fragments textView to update its text to myString, from an Activity?
Dec 07 20:27:43 <explodes_> There are quite a few ways to make that happen.
Dec 07 20:28:13 <explodes_> One of the first ways developers will try is to hold onto a reference to the fragment in the activity and make the call directly
Dec 07 20:29:26 <explodes_> Eventually you can study and work your way up to different architecture patterns that make this more accommodating, or 3rd party packages that send 'events' like that around
Dec 07 20:30:08 <eghdk> Okay. I'm gonna take my fragment out.
Dec 07 20:30:29 <eghdk> Hahaha. They make no sense. Any time I need to use one, I don't really need to use one.
Dec 07 20:30:33 <eghdk> fuck em
Dec 07 20:37:45 <jareddlc> hello, has anyone here use google fit?
Dec 07 21:08:01 <eghdk> If I go from activity a to b, then B to C. While going from B to C, how can I finish A (or all previous activities?)
Dec 07 21:08:48 <drose379> eghdk maybe send a Local Broadcast?
Dec 07 21:09:19 <drose379> Have activity A listen for it, once its received in A, finish()
Dec 07 21:09:38 <g00s> when you are doing stuff like that, its time to rethink things
Dec 07 21:09:41 <eghdk> That seems super ugly
Dec 07 21:09:51 <drose379> Just a suggestion man
Dec 07 21:10:11 <drose379> Why would you want to finish A when you go from B to C anyways?
Dec 07 21:10:52 <eghdk> there are multiple activities in a logged out state, but when you log in, I want to clear all the other activities
Dec 07 21:11:02 <Taios> aye i'd probably refrain from killing an activity from another activity...
Dec 07 21:11:15 <Taios> why not use frgments?
Dec 07 21:11:51 <drose379> eghdk, im just wondering, can you describe why using the local broadcast system is "ugly"
Dec 07 21:12:03 <drose379> Im not saying its not, im just wondering why
Dec 07 21:13:16 <eghdk> drose379: Just because you usually unregister broadcast onStop, the activity is stopped already, so I'd have to make some changes on how that works. Which seems ugly
Dec 07 21:13:38 <Taios> eghdk why not use fragments?
Dec 07 21:13:41 <drose379> Just unregister when you receive it
Dec 07 21:13:53 <drose379> Yeah, fragments seem a good fit
Dec 07 21:14:19 <Taios> you control what fragment is displayed and keep track of them from the activity. Seems a natural thing to do to me.
Dec 07 21:14:35 <Taios> instead of sending messages everywhere or holding onto activity instances in other activities
Dec 07 21:14:55 <drose379> Yeah I agree fragments make more sense Taios
Dec 07 21:15:01 <SimonVT> eghdk: I think FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK and FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TASK will do that.. But look into launchmodes
Dec 07 21:15:04 <Taios> which will affect garbage collection :)
Dec 07 21:17:24 <eghdk> Taios: and drose379 typically this is exactly where I would use fragments. But over the past 6 months, I have grown to hate them. I don't want to use them in my code. They just complicate things. Ah yes SimonVT  those two falgs together will get the job done. I tried clear_task to no avail, was missing new task. Thanks
Dec 07 21:18:03 <Taios> Right tool for the right job? Why do they complicate things they are just mini activities. Which if you're using 3 activities it's not a big jump to use 3 fragments. :)
Dec 07 21:26:20 <eghdk> Taios: If only it was that simple. The 3 fragments really complicate things
Dec 07 21:27:48 <Logico> eghdk, how come?
Dec 07 21:29:30 <eghdk> Fragment lifecycle is difficult to manage. Activity and Fragment communication slows down development.
Dec 07 21:30:27 <Logico> eghdk, oh, I see
Dec 07 21:33:51 <g00s> its easier dealing with fragments than a complicated task stack
Dec 07 21:36:00 <Taios> eghdk huh? It's as easy to manage fragment lifecycle as an activity life cycle? What am I missing?
Dec 07 21:36:45 <Taios> At least in the patterns I tend to use, it's super easy to communicate between fragments/activities because you just use getActivity in each fragment.
Dec 07 21:36:52 <Taios> getActivity.changeThing
Dec 07 21:37:12 <Taios> You know more about your codebase of course
Dec 07 21:37:22 <Taios> But if you're scared of using fragments, might be worth getting over that =)
Dec 07 21:37:48 <Taios> (if you're deterring from using them from personal dislike rather than because they are simply not the best method for what you're doing)
Dec 07 21:43:40 <MooGoo> so does elevation not work with CollapsingToolbarLayout at all?
Dec 07 21:59:37 <pfn> fragment lifecycle isn't difficult to manage
Dec 07 21:59:44 <pfn> and there should be very little activity/fragment communication
Dec 07 21:59:48 <pfn> fragments should be mostly self-contained
Dec 07 22:00:40 <drose379> What if the activity needs to get data that the user set in the fragment pfn?
Dec 07 22:01:05 <drose379> Would it be OK to findFragmentByTag() and call the fragments public method to get private data
Dec 07 22:01:12 <pfn> sure
Dec 07 22:01:18 <jareddlc> has anyone worked with google fit apis?
Dec 07 22:01:23 <drose379> OK, cool. Thanks pfn
Dec 07 22:07:30 <liuwenhao> Is it possible to hide the status bar while scrolling, similar to hiding the toolbar?
Dec 07 22:15:07 <drose379> liuwenhao, most likely not hide it, but I thought you could make it transparent
Dec 07 22:15:12 <drose379> Just a guess though
Dec 07 22:25:18 <g00s> heh, i wonder what would happen if my fragment returned a Spinner view from onCreateView
Dec 07 22:29:28 <Gaffen> I've been taking a look around and couldn't find a definitive answer, I was hoping to get a gut reaction from someone
Dec 07 22:29:59 <Gaffen> EditText in a ListView; is it advisable to do this? I'd rather not launch a dialog if I can avoid it
Dec 07 22:30:45 <g00s> hm, i have seen what appears to be EditTexts in lists, for example Keep: manage tags
Dec 07 22:30:59 <Gaffen> Sure
Dec 07 22:31:04 <g00s> err Google Keep : Edit Labels
Dec 07 22:32:28 <Gaffen> There's a problem with getting focus - it will refresh the list and reset the text view. any idea of what to do about this?
Dec 07 22:32:53 <g00s> Gaffen are you using listview ?
Dec 07 22:33:10 <Gaffen> Yeah, with a custom ListAdapter
Dec 07 22:33:13 <g00s> either way, i don't know - maybe try recylerview
Dec 07 22:33:50 <g00s> it behaves more like 'views in a collection' and doesn't draw the selectable drawable over, for example
Dec 07 22:34:10 <Gaffen> Ok, I'll investigate
Dec 07 22:34:31 <g00s> why also makes it more pita, but maybe because it does less that frees you up
Dec 07 22:34:57 <Gaffen> pita?
Dec 07 22:35:01 <g00s> pain in the ass
Dec 07 22:35:07 <Gaffen> Haha, ah I see
Dec 07 22:35:10 <ctrlshftn> how do i make bitmaps for all resolutions easily? Is there any tool?
Dec 07 22:35:31 <g00s> at the android summit sounded like they were waiting to stabilize RV and then would add more helper classes to it
Dec 07 22:35:47 <Gaffen> Cool
Dec 07 22:36:08 <orbyt_> Anyone got any ideas on how to get a live stream feed on the internet into an app, without an SDK/API?
Dec 07 22:36:54 <drose379> Do people usually look at the densityDpi of the device and adjust the size of some views accordingly?
Dec 07 22:40:16 <Mavrik> drose379, nop.
Dec 07 22:40:23 <Mavrik> That's why the dp unit exists.
Dec 07 22:40:31 <Mavrik> densityDpi is entirely useless for that.
Dec 07 22:41:11 <Mavrik> Or, to be more clear, dp unit is derived from densityDpi ;)
Dec 07 22:41:50 <drose379> Hmmm
Dec 07 22:42:02 <drose379> Ok, I see my ish
Dec 07 22:42:55 <drose379> Thanks Mavrik
Dec 07 22:54:24 <pablq> has anyone here worked with https://github.com/PhilJay/MPAndroidChart/ before?
Dec 07 22:56:08 <g00s> pablq i was looking at that, whats your opinion ? the demo was kinda flaky with interaction (fling, zoom, pan, etc)
Dec 07 22:56:11 <pfn> JakeWharton, oh, I remember what I was going to ask you, now, why do dagger users have a separate android-apt step? annotation processors run as part of javac , why is there a need to have it separate?
Dec 07 22:56:55 <pfn> all the apps I've built that use dagger have been successfully built using the bundled apt steps in javac, and haven't had problems with skipping android-apt
Dec 07 22:57:12 <JakeWharton> So the generated sources are on the IDE classpath
Dec 07 22:57:39 <JakeWharton> It also correctly puts them and their dependencies on the -processorpath instead of -classpath
Dec 07 22:59:23 <pablq> g00s: it's decent
Dec 07 22:59:38 <pablq> been using it in iOS... honestly, i'm not doing much with interaction.
Dec 07 22:59:47 <g00s> pablq i haven't checked, if it can handle real time updates well
Dec 07 22:59:59 <g00s> that was my main concern
Dec 07 23:00:01 <pablq> but i'm finding it hard to control small details of how stuff is displayed...
Dec 07 23:00:03 <pablq> hmm
Dec 07 23:00:17 <pablq> I mean it looks pretty good in ios for real time updates
Dec 07 23:01:32 <g00s> ok thx
Dec 07 23:02:07 <pfn> JakeWharton, I suppose that's fair enough
Dec 07 23:05:08 <osxorgate> i use mpandroidchart
Dec 07 23:05:20 <osxorgate> it works great and has good documentation
Dec 07 23:06:03 <pablq> yeah that's the one i'm talking about
Dec 07 23:06:46 <pablq> osxorgate: do you have any advice on setting the frequency / spacing of yAxis labels?
Dec 07 23:07:12 <pablq> osxorgate: or even drawing little tick-marks down to the xAxis labels?
Dec 07 23:07:35 <osxorgate> nope, just look at examples and ask in the gitter chan
Dec 07 23:07:41 <osxorgate> they are pretty responsive
Dec 07 23:07:47 <osxorgate> also the guy is on SO answering questions
Dec 07 23:07:54 <osxorgate> now, sleep..
Dec 07 23:08:02 <pablq> what's glitter chan?
Dec 07 23:08:25 <pablq> lol gitter chan i meant
Dec 07 23:31:29 <daemon> hey all, assuming I have a reference to a listView: ListView listView = (ListView) findViewById(R.id.listView); how do I add information to it?
Dec 07 23:31:40 <daemon> I attemped to use listView.Items.Add("test");
Dec 07 23:31:47 <daemon> but it says that Items cannot be resolved
Dec 07 23:36:49 <barbs> daemon: you need to create an instance of an adapter and use listView.setAdapter()
Dec 07 23:37:24 <barbs> see https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/declaring-layout.html#AdapterViews
Dec 07 23:37:29 <daemon> barbs, I was looking at some example for that, this would be things like         adapter = new ArrayAdapter<String>(this, android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1, list);
Dec 07 23:37:49 <barbs> yup, something like that :)
Dec 07 23:38:30 <daemon> barbs, is there a way to create one without a starting array
Dec 07 23:38:39 <daemon> I actually wanted to add data to it as single strings later on
Dec 07 23:39:07 <daemon> ah wait I think I see it
Dec 07 23:39:38 <barbs> yeah doesn't have to be an array, you could extend BaseAdapter and then add strings to a list
Dec 07 23:41:20 <daemon> barbs, ah this is what I keep getting, damn this is hard to copy from android
Dec 07 23:41:54 <daemon> Cannot resolve constructor 'ArrayAdapter .... etc
Dec 07 23:41:58 <daemon> ArrayAdapter<String> adapter = new ArrayAdapter<String>(this,android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1, myStringArray);
Dec 07 23:42:35 <barbs> what type is myStringArray? String[] ?
Dec 07 23:42:36 <daemon> I just created a blankStringArray for testing purpose
Dec 07 23:42:40 <daemon> String[] myStringArray = new String[] { };
Dec 07 23:43:26 <barbs> what's "this" ?
Dec 07 23:43:33 <barbs> are you constructing it in the activity?
Dec 07 23:43:55 <daemon> no the lsitview is constructed elsewhere
Dec 07 23:44:00 <daemon> should I use ListView listView = (ListView) findViewById(R.id.listView);
Dec 07 23:44:06 <daemon> listView instead of this
Dec 07 23:45:08 <daemon> https://bpaste.net/show/3d6206e57f34
Dec 07 23:45:12 <daemon> is the actual function as it stands now
Dec 07 23:45:42 <barbs> I meant the adapter
Dec 07 23:45:45 <barbs> sorry gotta go now
Dec 07 23:46:13 <daemon> no I am constructing the adpater later on, should I construct the adapter when the listview is created?
Dec 07 23:49:48 <daemon> even if I move it to onCreate it still does not seem to resolve
Dec 07 23:52:09 <daemon> Maybe I have the wrong context
Dec 07 23:52:26 <daemon> but I thought using: ListView listView = (ListView) findViewById(R.id.listView); the 'listView' would be the correct context
Dec 07 23:53:40 <daemon> do I need some sort of other context identifier
Dec 07 23:53:52 <canvs2321> context can be your activity, and listView.setAdapter(adapter) that you created
Dec 07 23:54:29 <daemon> canvs2321, I never created an adapter I just dragged the listview onto the screen in the android UI lol, I am guessing that is the issue
Dec 07 23:54:53 <canvs2321> https://bpaste.net/show/3d6206e57f34 was that your code?
Dec 07 23:54:59 <daemon> yes
Dec 07 23:55:04 <canvs2321> do you see adapter
Dec 07 23:55:08 <daemon> yes
Dec 07 23:55:28 <canvs2321> then you are trying to create the adapter
Dec 07 23:55:37 <daemon> yes I just want to be able to add some records to that listView
Dec 07 23:55:39 <Tazmain> hi all , has anyone here compiled libcurl for android ?
Dec 07 23:55:47 <daemon> but it keeps saying it cannot resolve he constructor
Dec 07 23:55:55 <daemon> s/he/the/
Dec 07 23:58:13 <daemon> what am I doing wrong? :)
Dec 07 23:58:27 <canvs2321> the error should tell you
Dec 07 23:58:51 <daemon> yes errors like that are great when you have experiance with the language and development study to actually understand them
Dec 07 23:58:57 <canvs2321> the constructor you are using, i'm assuming for your arrayadapter doesn't have a constructor that calls for a listview to be passed to it i believe
Dec 07 23:59:45 <canvs2321> you create an adapter, then you set that adapter to your listView
Dec 07 23:59:50 <TacticalJoke> daemon:  It's probably worth learning Java before tackling Android.  I think it's a prerequisite, really.
Dec 08 00:00:07 <daemon> TacticalJoke, I do fine with straight java, this I am having issues with though -_-
Dec 08 00:00:47 <daemon> TacticalJoke, Just need to get a feel for it
Dec 08 00:01:30 <eghdk_> If I'm using oAuth, do I have to save the users password plaintext? In case I have to refresh the token?
Dec 08 00:01:47 <TacticalJoke> eghdk_:  Aren't they giving you a refresh token?
Dec 08 00:02:08 <TacticalJoke> I think the point of something like OAuth is to avoid apps having access to the username and password, right?
Dec 08 00:02:44 <eghdk_> That's what I thought, but I don't have much experience.
Dec 08 00:04:04 <g00s> eghdk_ luckily there is a whole book on oauth2 to get you started :P
Dec 08 00:04:39 <eghdk_> g00s: Where is that?
Dec 08 00:04:51 <g00s> not done yet but https://www.manning.com/books/oauth-2-in-action
Dec 08 00:06:18 <g00s> MEAPs are 50% off today at manning, maybe i should get it
Dec 08 00:08:02 <eghdk_> g00s: sweet thanks. might get it. A book all about oAuth2. Oh boy. That's kinda insane. heh
Dec 08 00:09:06 <eghdk_> All ebooks are half
Dec 08 00:09:13 <g00s> ah ok great
Dec 08 00:09:50 <TacticalJoke> eghdk_:  What do you need OAuth 2 for?
Dec 08 00:09:56 <Tazmain> guys is there anyone that can help me compile curl for android, I am trying to follow the 3rd solution of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4952169/using-curl-in-android, but I get onfigure: error: in `/home/taz/Downloads/git/c_c++/curl': when I run step 3, which is ./configure ?
Dec 08 00:10:57 <eghdk_> Using an api that needs oauth. But I'm looking at an ios sample, and it looks like they are storing the password in the ios keychain or something
Dec 08 00:11:09 <eghdk_> Not sure if I should be doing the same thing in android
Dec 08 00:11:41 <TacticalJoke> If they're using OAuth, why do they have access to the password?  The whole point of OAuth is to avoid that scenario.
Dec 08 00:13:53 <TacticalJoke> Reddit has switched to OAuth, and that means that Reddit apps no longer handle the username and password -- they simply get an authentication token and a refresh token.
Dec 08 00:14:21 <TacticalJoke> The only way to get the password is to log the user's keystrokes, which would probably make the app qualify as malware.
Dec 08 00:16:40 <Fall> What's up with Eclipse Mars? I'm trying to debug my Android project and I can't see ANYTHING in LogCat.
Dec 08 00:16:55 <Fall> Always something in the way when it comes to Android dev.
Dec 08 00:17:57 <liuwenhao> @Fall it's because you're still using Eclipse
Dec 08 00:18:30 <liuwenhao> It's deprecated for a reason
Dec 08 00:19:00 <Fall> So fuck it all for anyone who needs to maintain a legacy application?
Dec 08 00:19:24 <g00s> Fall the migration has been going on for um, 2-3 years now ?
Dec 08 00:19:34 <Fall> g00s: Great.
Dec 08 00:19:39 <Fall> um,
Dec 08 00:19:42 <liuwenhao> You can maintain a legacy app in Android Studio -.- just import your project
Dec 08 00:20:03 <Fall> liuwenhao: If it needs to be done, I guess it needs to be done.
Dec 08 00:20:13 <Fall> This is just _another_ step getting in the way of updating some code.
Dec 08 00:20:13 <s73v3r_> it needs to be done
Dec 08 00:20:16 <Fall> Number 3 now.
Dec 08 00:20:24 <s73v3r_> honestly, you should have done it a long time ago
Dec 08 00:20:28 <Fall> No.
Dec 08 00:20:33 <s73v3r_> yes
Dec 08 00:20:36 <Fall> I'm just an assistant on this project.
Dec 08 00:20:38 <g00s> Fall no, you were lazy and didn't keep up with things. then after 3 years you realize oh shit stuff changed
Dec 08 00:20:50 <s73v3r_> I fail to see what that has anything to do with it
Dec 08 00:20:53 <Fall> g00s: Hey, that's a fucking large assumption there.
Dec 08 00:21:00 <liuwenhao> I agree with s73v3r_, the writing has been on the wall for over a year now and Google themselves have said to move your projects over
Dec 08 00:21:13 <liuwenhao> IntelliJ is just nicer to work with anyways
Dec 08 00:21:20 <liuwenhao> regardless of Google support or not
Dec 08 00:21:25 <Fall> I have been eyeing off AS
Dec 08 00:21:33 <Fall> Time to bite the bullet then.
Dec 08 00:21:39 <daemon> ok I now get a blank listView https://bpaste.net/show/f898e3d2ecf4
Dec 08 00:21:39 <Fall> liuwenhao: Thanks, you've been very helpful./
Dec 08 00:21:55 <daemon> obviously if I add strings into that string array I get whatever I put in ... but how do I add to the list later on
Dec 08 00:22:41 <liuwenhao> If you haven't jumped on the bandwagon, this will change your mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2GC6P5hPeA
Dec 08 00:23:26 <Fall> Thanks lui
Dec 08 00:23:28 <Fall> Thanks liuwenhao
Dec 08 00:23:44 <liuwenhao> this is the only talk at Android dev con that's worth watching the entire thing imo
Dec 08 00:24:49 <daemon> can I jsut call adapter.add("....")
Dec 08 00:25:01 <daemon> anywhere in scope?
Dec 08 00:25:26 <liuwenhao> daemon: you should call notifyDataSetChanged() after you change your content
Dec 08 00:25:55 <liuwenhao> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3669325/notifydatasetchanged-example might be useful reading
Dec 08 00:26:02 <TacticalJoke> It's enough to call ArrayAdapter.add (which calls BaseAdapter.notifyDataSetChanged for you by default).
Dec 08 00:26:09 <daemon> liuwenhao, so on the tail of my async worker finishing, I do ... adapter.add("some stuff"); adapter.notifyDataSetChange(); or do I adjust listViewItems my string array then notify of change
Dec 08 00:26:26 <daemon> oh cool
Dec 08 00:26:48 <TacticalJoke> Also, it's not worth giving an ArrayAdapter an array here, because it'll just convert it to a list for you.  Might as well give it a list.
Dec 08 00:27:12 <daemon> TacticalJoke, Yes is that the reason adapter.add("test") crashs the application
Dec 08 00:27:21 <TacticalJoke> It shouldn't crash.
Dec 08 00:27:31 <TacticalJoke> ArrayAdapter converts any given array to a list.
Dec 08 00:27:55 <daemon> hmm something else msut be wrong, https://bpaste.net/show/31369f2483c8
Dec 08 00:28:02 <Tazmain> noone ?
Dec 08 00:28:05 <daemon> line 75
Dec 08 00:28:11 <daemon> ignore the 'test' just written in plaintext
Dec 08 00:28:18 <daemon> I missed typing to the app and typed it into soruce instead lol
Dec 08 00:28:49 <TacticalJoke> daemon:  If it crashes, look at LogCat and check the crash message.
Dec 08 00:29:11 <daemon> 12-07 19:26:51.148 17068-17099/com.example.computing.wikilister A/libc: Fatal signal 4 (SIGILL), code 2, fault addr 0xf6fb046e in tid 17099 (AsyncTask #2)
Dec 08 00:29:23 <daemon> is it because I called it in an async worker I wonder
Dec 08 00:29:32 <Tazmain> sigh, not sure why I keep asking for ndk and toolchain help here to compile stuff for android
Dec 08 00:29:53 <daemon> Tazmain, what error are you getting
Dec 08 00:30:15 <daemon> Tazmain, also that is really a literall compiling problem your ##<OS> channel can probably help out as well
Dec 08 00:30:52 <Tazmain> really ? but seems more like the ndk doesn't want to accept normal commands like gcc -V
Dec 08 00:31:13 <daemon> Tazmain, mhmm im new to this but I always thoguht gcc/cc/clang etc where part of the os
Dec 08 00:31:59 <Tazmain> daemon, true, but you need to prepare a toolchain to compile with or configure with from the ndk
Dec 08 00:32:13 <daemon> Tazmain, is gcc failing entirely?
Dec 08 00:32:24 <daemon> if you run it from command line
Dec 08 00:32:27 <Tazmain> daemon, no, since I can compile libcurl normally
Dec 08 00:32:39 <Tazmain> oh that command does
Dec 08 00:32:47 <daemon> what is the error
Dec 08 00:32:51 <Tazmain> if -V is used, -v does work
Dec 08 00:33:06 <daemon> ./configure --host=arm-linux --enable-cross-compile --enable-threaded-resolver --disable-shared --disable-ftp --disable-file --disable-ldap --disable-ldaps --disable-rtsp --disable-dict --disable-telnet --disable-tftp --disable-pop3 --disable-imap --disable-smtp --disable-gopher --disable-manual --enable-proxy --enable-ipv6 --enable-cookies --enable-symbol-hiding --disable-versioned-symbols --disable-soname-bump
Dec 08 00:33:06 <daemon> --disable-sspi --disable-ntlm-wb --prefix=${android-ndk-r10}/external/curl/build/curl-7.37.0
Dec 08 00:33:11 <daemon> oops that was longer than I thought
Dec 08 00:33:13 <daemon> sorry folks
Dec 08 00:33:38 <daemon> Tazmain, can you get configure to literally dump the line its trying to run
Dec 08 00:33:54 <daemon> perhaps there is a small change that has occured with whatever gcc they was using, to the version you are using
Dec 08 00:34:00 <Tazmain> http://sprunge.us/aDYC
Dec 08 00:34:05 <Tazmain> that is my config.log
Dec 08 00:34:46 <daemon> I use clang, what is =v and -V
Dec 08 00:34:50 <daemon> -v and -V even
Dec 08 00:35:05 <daemon> configure:4280: gcc -v >&5 seems to work fine looking at that log
Dec 08 00:35:58 <Tazmain> but then gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V'
Dec 08 00:36:13 <Tazmain> gcc: fatal error: no input files
Dec 08 00:36:29 <daemon> yeah same with qversion
Dec 08 00:36:52 <daemon> Tazmain, this looks promising http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/gcc-make-error-lib-cpp-fails-sanity-check-913777/
Dec 08 00:36:58 <daemon> very similiar problem
Dec 08 00:38:03 <daemon> yeah its actually the no input files thats killing it
Dec 08 00:38:05 <daemon> hmm
Dec 08 00:39:12 <daemon> in configure why not have a look where its looking for input files
Dec 08 00:39:48 <daemon> TacticalJoke, am I unable to add data to the listView even via its list adapter, from an asyncworker
Dec 08 00:39:59 <daemon> do I somehow need to pass the information I want from the worker to the main thread?
Dec 08 00:40:08 <Tazmain> yeah :(
Dec 08 00:40:27 <daemon> Tazmain, you find what its looking for and where
Dec 08 00:41:44 <TacticalJoke> daemon:  No, AsyncTask handles coming back to the main thread for you.
Dec 08 00:41:49 <TacticalJoke> onPostExecute runs on the main thread.
Dec 08 00:42:45 <daemon> TacticalJoke, odd then how the heck can adapter.add from within onPostExecute crash the thread LOL
Dec 08 00:43:32 <TacticalJoke> Is 'com.example.computing.wikilister' your package name?
Dec 08 00:43:36 <Tazmain> I think I need to start with what do I need to pass to the ndk ? I had this "/build/tools/make-standalone-toolchain.sh --platform=android-15 --arch=arm --toolchain=arm-linux-androideabi-4.9 --install-dir=/opt/arm-android"
Dec 08 00:43:43 <daemon> package com.example.computing.wikilister;
Dec 08 00:43:43 <daemon> yep
Dec 08 00:44:01 <TacticalJoke> You shouldn't be getting a SIGILL.  That's very odd.
Dec 08 00:44:04 <daemon> Tazmain, I would edit the configure script to echo to stderr EXACTLY what its running
Dec 08 00:44:11 <TacticalJoke> Do you get it every single time?
Dec 08 00:44:15 <daemon> TacticalJoke, indeed
Dec 08 00:44:27 <drose379> Do people think its annoying when I post screen recordings here?
Dec 08 00:44:31 <daemon> TacticalJoke, and if I remove that .add and leave some stuff in the string array, it works perfect
Dec 08 00:44:32 <daemon> ly
Dec 08 00:44:41 <drose379> Or is it cool
Dec 08 00:44:59 <daemon> drose379, best tool for the job sometimes, can't describe a graphical problem with a pastebin :P
Dec 08 00:45:13 <drose379> Very true daemon
Dec 08 00:45:17 <TacticalJoke> I don't think it's annoying.
Dec 08 00:45:17 <Tazmain> why does this have to be so much of a headache
Dec 08 00:45:49 <s73v3r> cause Google doesn’t want you using the NDK
Dec 08 00:45:51 <daemon> Tazmain, so when you get it working you can enjoy the celebratory beer more :)
Dec 08 00:45:52 <TacticalJoke> daemon:  Maybe your `catch (Exception e)` thing is hiding some exception.  Try `throw new RuntimeException(e);` there.
Dec 08 00:46:18 <Tazmain> daemon, more like when I get it working , write a blog and readme entry to the libcurl repo
Dec 08 00:46:54 <TacticalJoke> Actually, my last comment is probably wrong.  I can't see a connection between supressing exceptions and SIGILLs.
Dec 08 00:47:04 <TacticalJoke> suppressing*
Dec 08 00:47:40 <daemon> TacticalJoke, indeed, it showed nothing interesting up
Dec 08 00:48:17 <daemon> I wonder if its possible the async task finishs before the adpater creation
Dec 08 00:48:20 <TacticalJoke> What if you move `new AsyncTaskParseJson().execute();` to the end of onCreate?  I wouldn't expect it to change anything, but just curious.
Dec 08 00:48:21 <daemon> traditional race condition
Dec 08 00:49:53 <daemon> intereseting
Dec 08 00:49:57 <daemon> intresting*
Dec 08 00:50:17 <daemon> TacticalJoke, the application appears to close its self
Dec 08 00:50:21 <daemon> no 'stopped working' message though
Dec 08 00:51:24 <daemon> absolutely nothing in logcat
Dec 08 00:51:44 <TacticalJoke> And if you remove `adapter.add("test32");` then there's no crash?
Dec 08 00:51:49 <TacticalJoke> Assuming you remove nothing else.
Dec 08 00:52:22 <daemon> let me double check
Dec 08 00:52:51 <daemon> ok now its stopping even when I do remove that
Dec 08 00:52:56 <daemon> 12-07 19:52:40.564 22599-22632/com.example.computing.wikilister A/libc: Fatal signal 4 (SIGILL), code 2, fault addr 0xf6fb046e in tid 22632 (AsyncTask #2)
Dec 08 00:53:14 <TacticalJoke> What is `httpConnect`?
Dec 08 00:53:22 <daemon> just a random connect to api class
Dec 08 00:53:48 <daemon> its ok before I got to all this bit I tested it out never showed any problems
Dec 08 00:53:51 <daemon> wonder if I should restart the phone
Dec 08 00:54:03 <TacticalJoke> It's possible that `getIntent` in a backgroundt thread (which `doInBackground` runs in) crashes, but I'm not sure.
Dec 08 00:54:06 <TacticalJoke> background*
Dec 08 00:54:31 <daemon> how else would I pass that information to the worker
Dec 08 00:55:02 <daemon> at the moment I pass data to the worker with
Dec 08 00:55:03 <daemon>         Intent intent = new Intent(this, searchResult.class);
Dec 08 00:55:03 <daemon>         intent.putExtra("myQueryString", myQueryString);
Dec 08 00:55:03 <daemon>         startActivity(intent);
Dec 08 00:56:14 <TacticalJoke> daemon:  It's easy with AsyncTask, but more important is to figure out why this is crashing.  Try not saying `getIntent()` in a background thread (which you really shouldn't be doing anyway).
Dec 08 00:56:44 <TacticalJoke> Though, having just looked at the code, I can't see why that'd crash either.  :/
Dec 08 00:57:28 <daemon> im glad its not just me being thick ^_^
Dec 08 00:57:43 <TacticalJoke> In any case, it's very easy (for the purpose of debugging) to say `String myQueryString = "whatever";`.
Dec 08 00:59:06 <TacticalJoke> If that doesn't fix it, maybe `httpConnect` is doing something strange.
Dec 08 00:59:19 <daemon> yep just changed it to
Dec 08 00:59:22 <daemon> String myQueryString = "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=Te";
Dec 08 00:59:43 <daemon> ok this time I got 'Unfortunatly WikiLister has stopped'
Dec 08 00:59:47 <daemon> 12-07 19:59:32.893 4386-4407/com.example.computing.wikilister A/libc: Fatal signal 4 (SIGILL), code 2, fault addr 0xf6fa546e in tid 4407 (AsyncTask #2)
Dec 08 01:00:07 <TacticalJoke> Probably the easiest way to debug this is to comment out all of the code inside those AsyncTask methods.  See whether it crashes then.  If not, uncomment one line at a time.
Dec 08 01:00:27 <Logico> daemon, is searchResult.class really lower case?
Dec 08 01:00:32 <daemon> oddly this code worked earlier, seems anytime I do anything with listView's something bad happens
Dec 08 01:01:06 <daemon> Logico, nah all my code is camelCase
Dec 08 01:01:22 <daemon> even ID's
Dec 08 01:02:00 <Logico> daemon, Oh, I mean the first letter
Dec 08 01:02:11 <daemon> Logico, yep
Dec 08 01:02:20 <daemon> I wonder if its the phone im emulating
Dec 08 01:02:20 <daemon> somehow
Dec 08 01:02:26 <Logico> but is that the class name?
Dec 08 01:03:12 <daemon> that is part of     public void doSearch(View view){
Dec 08 01:03:26 <daemon> https://bpaste.net/show/9a5555b4489e#
Dec 08 01:05:14 <daemon> gonig to emulate a different phone see if that does anything
Dec 08 01:05:18 <daemon> might even put the code on my other system
Dec 08 01:05:25 <daemon> was a nightmare to get this one to emulate anything
Dec 08 01:08:46 <daemon> do any of you guys use genymotion for your emulation?
Dec 08 01:09:00 <pfn> emulator is emulator, "emulating something different" behaves no differently
Dec 08 01:09:06 <pfn> other than configuration like size or dpi maybe
Dec 08 01:09:43 <kuldeep> when user click save from action bar, i want to convert overflow [the three dots] to a rotation infinite progress bar to show that app is working in behind. what do you guys think?
Dec 08 01:10:14 <daemon> is there anyway to force the android studio emulator to work without intel HAXM
Dec 08 01:10:22 <daemon> I don't care how slow it will be I just want to test something
Dec 08 01:14:57 <s73v3r> not using the x86 images, i guess. Although I’m pretty sure that’s not going to test what you want it to test
Dec 08 01:17:04 <daemon> it just seems weird that my app exit is not static
Dec 08 01:17:16 <daemon> sometimes it does, sometimes it takes time too
Dec 08 01:17:47 <daemon> I just wondered if my system is doing something odd because in greymotiono I can only emulate nexus 5
Dec 08 01:17:52 <daemon> it won't let me emulate any other type of device
Dec 08 01:19:20 <daemon> well sorry it will let me emulate any device upto API 17 ~
Dec 08 01:19:26 <daemon> after that I can only emulated nexus 5
Dec 08 01:20:25 <s73v3r> probably because you haven’t downloaded any images for other devices
Dec 08 01:20:40 <daemon> s73v3r, indeed I have, if you do not then you cannot download any others :)
Dec 08 01:20:55 <daemon> I have a choice of custom phones and alsorts
Dec 08 01:21:05 <daemon> from 2.3.7 all the way to 6.0.0
Dec 08 01:21:06 <s73v3r> but i don’t think genymotion is doing much else. Like I don’t think a Genymotion image corresponding to a Samsung device, I don’t think you get the Samsung bugs
Dec 08 01:22:40 <daemon> TacticalJoke, if I bumpe up the code for my project would you be willing to quickly test it?
Dec 08 01:22:51 <daemon> I just want to verify that my emulator is not doing something odd
Dec 08 01:23:47 <Extremulus> Hi, looking for help recompiling an old eclipse developed open source app under a newer SDK for marshmallow under Android Studio. The original package included R.java from an example package, but Android Studio doesn't like that. How do I include the package as a dependency when building under AS?
Dec 08 01:26:13 <mankeletor> hi all, im new in Android Studio.. so this question can be stupid but how can i use strings?
Dec 08 01:26:47 <s73v3r> you just use them, same as you would have in Eclipse
Dec 08 01:26:59 <drose379> Do you mean you're new to Java?
Dec 08 01:27:07 <mankeletor> yes
Dec 08 01:27:15 <mankeletor> I come from c++
Dec 08 01:27:28 <drose379> Oh
Dec 08 01:27:44 <drose379> Should learn some java before android
Dec 08 01:27:46 <s73v3r> have you tried reading any Java books?
Dec 08 01:27:57 <mankeletor> sometimes i try to declare bool foo istead boolean foo
Dec 08 01:28:16 <drose379> Happens mankeletor
Dec 08 01:29:03 <mankeletor> i guess lol
Dec 08 01:42:50 <mankeletor> all the code that i have to write must be in MainActivity.java
Dec 08 01:42:52 <mankeletor> ?
Dec 08 01:43:19 <drose379> No mankeletor
Dec 08 01:43:34 <drose379> First you have to understand what an activity is
Dec 08 01:43:44 <mankeletor> Oh i see
Dec 08 01:45:06 <mankeletor> drose379, is activity like form in visual programming?
Dec 08 01:45:16 <drose379> Not really
Dec 08 01:46:03 <s73v3r> mankeletor: Go read the Big Nerd Ranch Android programming book
Dec 08 01:47:24 <liuwenhao> Anyone here use ButterKnife? I have a question
Dec 08 01:48:34 <JakeWharton> I do
Dec 08 01:49:06 <liuwenhao> Haha, I didn't realize you were here JakeWharton. Do you suggest to use Dagger and ButterKnife side by side? Or just choose one and stick with it?
Dec 08 01:49:18 <JakeWharton> They do different things
Dec 08 01:49:21 <liuwenhao> I've never used either, but I want to get started because I watched one of your talks
Dec 08 01:49:41 <JakeWharton> We use both
Dec 08 01:50:18 <liuwenhao> Do you suggest Dagger 1 or 2? I heard Dagger 2 was harder to work with
Dec 08 01:50:54 <liuwenhao> So I can use both libs side by side with no problems? Great
Dec 08 01:52:29 <liuwenhao> Sorry for the noob questions
Dec 08 01:54:56 <JakeWharton> We use Dagger 1, others use 2
Dec 08 01:55:01 <gordon_> liuwenhao: yes, you can use both. butter is for view injections, dagger is for dependency injections
Dec 08 01:55:28 <JakeWharton> Dagger 2 is less a successor to Dagger 1 than a completely different library
Dec 08 01:56:10 <gordon_> I only dislike one thing about dagger2 -> component boilerplate
Dec 08 01:56:19 <liuwenhao> Thanks for the info. I will try Dagger 1 out in my project
Dec 08 01:57:22 <gordon_> JakeWharton: are you going to some conferences in some time soon ?
Dec 08 01:58:00 <JakeWharton> Droidcon Montreal
Dec 08 01:58:17 <mankeletor> s73v3r, I will.. thanks for the tip
Dec 08 02:03:34 <gordon_> JakeWharton: have fun! are you going to be in Japan by any chance ?
Dec 08 02:32:25 <JakeWharton> Unlikely
Dec 08 02:32:31 <JakeWharton> Long way away
Dec 08 02:54:43 <drose379> I have a ImageView with width match_parent, and its wide, and I am loading an image in with Picasso, but now that its wide it looks distorted
Dec 08 02:55:00 <drose379> I thought there was a way to make it so this doesnt happen with Picasso?
Dec 08 02:55:20 <liuwenhao> did you try android:adjustViewBounds="true"
Dec 08 02:55:25 <drose379> No what would that do?
Dec 08 02:55:55 <liuwenhao> preserves aspect ratio of the drawable in imageview
Dec 08 02:55:55 <drose379> Ah I see
Dec 08 02:55:58 <drose379> Ok
Dec 08 02:56:11 <drose379> What if it is a portrait image and the ImageView is wide?
Dec 08 02:56:29 <drose379> Damn, nice
Dec 08 02:56:39 <liuwenhao> look up android:scaleType
Dec 08 02:56:45 <liuwenhao> there are some nice things you can do with it
Dec 08 02:56:59 <drose379> Awesome, thanks
Dec 08 02:57:04 <liuwenhao> no problem
Dec 08 02:57:29 <drose379> Do you think I want center crop or center inside for this case?
Dec 08 02:58:06 <liuwenhao> I use centerCrop for most things but I guess it depends on what look you're going for
Dec 08 02:58:35 <drose379> Lemme show you a screenshot, I think it still looks distorted
Dec 08 02:59:17 <drose379> See the top image liuwenhao http://i.imgur.com/dznVCsE.png
Dec 08 02:59:34 <drose379> Maybe I need to get rid of .fit() in the Picasso call
Dec 08 03:00:01 <liuwenhao> yeah you're better off resizing in XML in my opinion
Dec 08 03:00:07 <drose379> If I get rid of fit, it just cuts out most of the photo though
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