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Dec 10 03:15:51 <pepee> what TTS engines does android use by default, and can these be used for commercial purposes for free?
Dec 10 03:16:43 <jareddlc> hello, any one here know if its possible to add IAP to an already published app, and if so, can we manually add to the list of "purchased" users. Example I have an email of someone who paid me before getting IAP working?
Dec 10 03:38:51 <pfn> huh, what reads app:theme when inflating in appcompat
Dec 10 03:39:06 <eghdk> Can anyone help with an issue with material design library. I'm using the nav drawer provided, but now that I've set my menu items in the list, the text seems too far away from the icons. Have no idea why
Dec 10 03:44:40 <pfn> ah, AppCompatViewInflater
Dec 10 03:46:30 <eghdk> Hm. Cheesesquare by chris banes seems to have a big amount of padding between text na icons in his nav drawer. I feel like its actually pretty wonky. Does anyone else agree?
Dec 10 04:05:55 <gordon_> number one tip: if your dagger modules are in right scope, have all methods, be sure that components have methods that provides getters for providers from modules...
Dec 10 04:41:03 <pfn> so, if I set a theme on the toolbar, it doesn't set a color automatically?
Dec 10 04:41:11 <pfn> I thought it should pick up colorPrimary or whatever by default
Dec 10 05:05:29 <jareddlc> hey guys is it possible to leave a toast up for an async call
Dec 10 05:05:34 <jareddlc> and then remove it after its done
Dec 10 05:05:39 <jareddlc> my operation takes about 1min :(
Dec 10 05:06:41 <gordon_> pfn: it will
Dec 10 05:10:51 <phantomcircuit> im trying to flash my nexus 5 with the stock image but it's stuck on "waiting for device"
Dec 10 05:10:55 <phantomcircuit> adb shell works fine though
Dec 10 05:12:50 <phantomcircuit> fastboot wont even reboot the thing
Dec 10 05:20:46 <g00s> phantomcircuit try #android-root
Dec 10 05:21:21 <aspirer> I need to wake up my phone using some code in a background service.Is it possible?
Dec 10 05:23:57 <g00s> s73v3r around ?
Dec 10 05:25:37 <RustyShackleford> so at work we're having trouble with deep links
Dec 10 05:25:50 <RustyShackleford> part of it is our fault (android app)
Dec 10 05:26:06 <RustyShackleford> the other part is data not being passed through the intent
Dec 10 05:26:56 <RustyShackleford> is there a way to debug what's going on in the browser redirect?
Dec 10 05:38:34 <aspirer>  I need to wake up my phone using some code in a background service.Is it possible? can somebody direct me
Dec 10 05:39:17 <alex_PP> aspirer: see wake locks
Dec 10 05:39:22 <alex_PP> and alarm amanger
Dec 10 05:40:30 <aspirer> and then increasing the screen brightness ?
Dec 10 05:52:03 <pfn> gordon_, odd, I have to specify background explicitly
Dec 10 06:01:34 <drinfernoo> anyone got a fix for this? https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=22576
Dec 10 06:04:14 <g00s> "Seems that the whole Android library system is a little bit thrown together."
Dec 10 06:04:22 <pfn> #2, drinfernoo
Dec 10 06:04:25 <pfn> answered
Dec 10 06:05:28 <drinfernoo> #5 makes my point
Dec 10 06:05:35 <jareddlc> sup g00s !
Dec 10 06:05:42 <jareddlc> im adding google fit integration to my app
Dec 10 06:05:56 <drinfernoo> im trying to use the google design library, but another library im using declares rippleColor as well
Dec 10 06:06:03 <jareddlc> coming along good, just now need to optimize, as im dumping two weeks of data from my watch, about 1200 http requests LOL
Dec 10 06:06:05 <drinfernoo> so im not the one declaring them
Dec 10 06:06:20 <pfn> drinfernoo, doesn't matter, declare it yourself
Dec 10 06:06:24 <g00s> nice jareddlc
Dec 10 06:06:43 <drinfernoo> k ill try it
Dec 10 06:06:56 <jareddlc> so i'll just optimize
Dec 10 06:07:07 <jareddlc> pretty happy i just hit 50k total downloads 20k current downloads
Dec 10 06:07:18 <squ> what app?
Dec 10 06:07:36 <pfn> you just add <attr name="icon" format="reference"/>
Dec 10 06:07:52 <pfn> in the top level of resources and you're done
Dec 10 06:08:39 <pfn> see, the real problem is when the format don't match
Dec 10 06:08:43 <pfn> that's a ton of fun
Dec 10 06:09:39 <drinfernoo> so now i get an error on mine, and the one in the google library lol
Dec 10 06:10:12 <drinfernoo> its name="rippleColor" format="color"
Dec 10 06:10:26 <suhas_sm> if I pass a context to a POJO, can I somehow get acess to onPause, OnResume events ?
Dec 10 06:10:50 <suhas_sm> Want to start and stop a timer based on these events
Dec 10 06:12:19 <g00s> lol, i'm reading about AppCompatDelegate ... "When using an AppCompatDelegate, you should any methods exposed in it rather than the Activity method of the same name"
Dec 10 06:12:30 <g00s> ugh, they kinda left out an important word
Dec 10 06:12:41 <g00s> bunch of hacks
Dec 10 06:13:22 <RustyShackleford> do you guys get admin access on your work computer?
Dec 10 06:13:35 <RustyShackleford> I've been there 7 weeks. Still have to use the emulator
Dec 10 06:13:49 <RustyShackleford> I got the proper clearance for haxm like 2 weeks ago
Dec 10 06:14:37 <g00s> sounds like a fun place to work, does your boss have pointy hair ?
Dec 10 06:15:29 <RustyShackleford> i'm not getting the reference
Dec 10 06:15:45 <RustyShackleford> yeah its retarded. In another month I will be able to use USB finally
Dec 10 06:16:32 <g00s> RustyShackleford https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-haired_Boss
Dec 10 06:17:14 <RustyShackleford> oh haha. No she's not that bad
Dec 10 06:17:24 <drinfernoo> pfn, does that mean its the wrong format?
Dec 10 06:17:27 <RustyShackleford> her bosses are to blame for this nonsense
Dec 10 06:17:42 <alex_PP> not giving devs admin is pretty ridiculous
Dec 10 06:17:43 <alex_PP> why?
Dec 10 06:17:50 <RustyShackleford> but yeah, that comic is definitely relevant
Dec 10 06:18:04 <gordon_> pfn: how do you set theme ? in manifest ? how do you specify colors ?
Dec 10 06:18:48 <gordon_> pfn: ok I back what I say
Dec 10 06:18:54 <gordon_> I set that background set up
Dec 10 06:19:03 <gordon_> *I have that background set up
Dec 10 06:19:34 <RustyShackleford> alex_PP: finance, not wanting to have a data leak
Dec 10 06:20:02 <RustyShackleford> theres a lot of retarded stuff going on. Already starting to think I should find a new job
Dec 10 06:20:35 <alex_PP> do they want to have a productivity leak?
Dec 10 06:20:55 <RustyShackleford> you have no idea
Dec 10 06:21:01 <Leeds> I've only worked in a place with anything like that sort of restrictions once - had to use company web proxy, which blocked all sorts of stuff... I'd bypassed it within a couple of weeks of starting, so I didn't get blocked from looking stuff up on 'blogs'
Dec 10 06:21:28 <RustyShackleford> yup I have to deal with the proxy. It's pretty permissive
Dec 10 06:21:40 <RustyShackleford> but things like gradle and the emulator need to be configured for it
Dec 10 06:21:46 <alex_PP> bleugh
Dec 10 06:22:04 <deebo> why woudl you work in a place like that Leeds :p
Dec 10 06:22:07 <alex_PP> I couldn't stand that
Dec 10 06:22:12 <RustyShackleford> because money
Dec 10 06:22:27 <Leeds> firstly, because money, yeah... secondly, I didn't work there for a long time
Dec 10 06:22:42 <deebo> did they pay like 5 times the going rate or something
Dec 10 06:22:51 <deebo> i just could not work in a place like that even with the money
Dec 10 06:22:55 <alex_PP> why do they need to web access? is work getting done? yes, no problem, no, chances are your management needs looking at
Dec 10 06:23:03 <Leeds> they paid - I'd been out of work for a few months, was down to paying rent with credit card cash advance
Dec 10 06:23:04 <alex_PP> *need to restrict
Dec 10 06:23:06 <RustyShackleford> i'll probably ride it out for a year... it's a good deal
Dec 10 06:23:29 <deebo> well that explains it a bit, never been unemployed myself
Dec 10 06:23:33 <RustyShackleford> and my first development job. I can't be too choosey just yet lol
Dec 10 06:24:02 <alex_PP> still in HK Leeds?
Dec 10 06:24:15 <Leeds> that's the only time I have been, significantly - it may have been more to do with me being in a foreign country, not speaking the local language, needing visa sponsorship, etc.
Dec 10 06:24:22 * Leeds checks out the window
Dec 10 06:24:22 <alex_PP> I imagine you needed a pretty big advance
Dec 10 06:24:52 <Leeds> alex_PP: yup, big buildings, lots of Chinese people, odd remnants of colonial times - still HK :)
Dec 10 06:24:59 <alex_PP> ha
Dec 10 06:25:02 <alex_PP> I love HK
Dec 10 06:25:06 <alex_PP> such a mess
Dec 10 06:25:39 <alex_PP> old women selling noodles outside Mark and Spencer's
Dec 10 06:25:45 <thepoosh> g00s: HAI
Dec 10 06:25:53 <g00s> hey thepoosh :D
Dec 10 06:25:54 <RustyShackleford> I need to take an Asia trip
Dec 10 06:26:00 <Leeds> haven't noticed too many noodle sellers outside my regular M&S branches
Dec 10 06:26:01 <RustyShackleford> the culture shock sounds awesome
Dec 10 06:26:11 <thepoosh> g00s: had a terrible day yesterday, working with Loaders
Dec 10 06:26:22 <thepoosh> Leeds: HAY
Dec 10 06:26:22 <Leeds> they opened a bunch of food-only stores here in the past couple of year - I go there way too often to get good British food :)
Dec 10 06:26:32 * Leeds throws a donut at thepoosh 
Dec 10 06:26:36 <g00s> thepoosh ha, what are you guys using loaders for ? i thought you didn't use content providers
Dec 10 06:26:56 <thepoosh> CursorLoader
Dec 10 06:27:11 <g00s> so you guys do use contentProviders
Dec 10 06:27:16 <thepoosh> nope
Dec 10 06:27:21 <g00s> lolwut
Dec 10 06:27:32 <thepoosh> CursorLoaders connect to a SQLite DB
Dec 10 06:28:06 <g00s> thepoosh you pass in a Uri :)
Dec 10 06:28:11 <g00s> thats always a hint :D
Dec 10 06:28:16 <thepoosh> lolz
Dec 10 06:28:57 <alex_PP> Leeds, do you get the English Recipe beans there.
Dec 10 06:29:01 <alex_PP> always makes me chuckle
Dec 10 06:29:17 <thepoosh> g00s: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/CursorLoader.html
Dec 10 06:29:28 <Leeds> not that I've noticed... but they do sell Chinese ready-meals, which always seems rather coals-to-Newcastle
Dec 10 06:29:34 <thepoosh> this one gets a reference to a database
Dec 10 06:30:57 <g00s> thepoosh i've used CursorLoader plenty, they only work with content providers
Dec 10 06:31:12 <g00s> unless you made your own from AsyncTaskLoader
Dec 10 06:31:25 <thepoosh> nah, we give a URI
Dec 10 06:32:00 <g00s> there is also this new thing http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/util/AsyncListUtil.html
Dec 10 06:32:12 <alex_PP> English Chinese != Chinese Chinese
Dec 10 06:32:37 <thepoosh> g00s: cool!
Dec 10 06:32:59 <thepoosh> I am now working on getting a 3rd party lib out and replace it with RecyclerView
Dec 10 06:33:09 <thepoosh> which will allow me to work with it a bit
Dec 10 06:33:23 <g00s> thepoosh ah, sounds like fun (kinda) :D
Dec 10 06:33:39 <squ> thepoosh: what's the problem in short?
Dec 10 06:33:48 <thepoosh> learning new stuff is always good, especially when they are old stuff
Dec 10 06:33:54 <thepoosh> squ: the Loader issue?
Dec 10 06:33:55 <squ> month ago I made template git paste for Recycler
Dec 10 06:34:00 <squ> for one guy here
Dec 10 06:34:06 <thepoosh> oh, there is no issue
Dec 10 06:34:18 <thepoosh> just that we're using something called HorizontalListView
Dec 10 06:34:32 <squ> ok
Dec 10 06:34:35 <thepoosh> and there is no reason to use it when we have RecyclerView with a horizontal LayoutManager
Dec 10 06:34:42 <g00s> yeah
Dec 10 06:34:44 <squ> I see
Dec 10 06:35:05 <thepoosh> squ: but if you want to help me reduce build times for a multidex app I would be super happy
Dec 10 06:35:18 <thepoosh> still need to get my head wrapped around pfn's protify
Dec 10 06:35:34 <thepoosh> but I can't seem to find the time for it
Dec 10 06:36:04 <thepoosh> squ: did you know about the 'provided' dependency for build.gradle?
Dec 10 06:36:50 <g00s> thepoosh did you see AS 2.0 will have instant run? don't need protify , sbt, or any of that stuff
Dec 10 06:37:07 <thepoosh> I saw it in the canary channel
Dec 10 06:37:14 <thepoosh> but that cannot be a solution for my team
Dec 10 06:37:17 <thepoosh> until it's stable
Dec 10 06:37:24 <thepoosh> at least beta
Dec 10 06:38:05 <g00s> yeah they didn't give a timeline, as usual. but if its AS preview already, i think it will be useable soon
Dec 10 06:41:56 <g00s> thepoosh has your team looked at using kotlin ?
Dec 10 06:42:19 <thepoosh> well, there was one person who looked at it, smirked and said pfffft
Dec 10 06:42:21 <thepoosh> but no
Dec 10 06:43:15 <g00s> hehe
Dec 10 06:43:55 <g00s> thepoosh any other cool libraries you guys pick up lately ?
Dec 10 06:44:05 <thepoosh> hmmmm
Dec 10 06:44:08 <thepoosh> no
Dec 10 06:44:12 <thepoosh> thank god
Dec 10 06:44:18 <g00s> word
Dec 10 06:44:22 <thepoosh> we are using way too many libs
Dec 10 06:44:30 <thepoosh> and it's crushing us
Dec 10 06:44:43 <g00s> the only one i use outside support lib is rxjava and mvstore
Dec 10 06:44:51 <thepoosh> i did this: https://github.com/commonsguy/cwac-merge/issues/22
Dec 10 06:45:08 <thepoosh> my next thing to learn is rx
Dec 10 06:45:27 <g00s> oh yeah, i have to figure out a cwac-merge thing for recyclerview
Dec 10 06:45:40 <teasp00n> howve you found rx out of interest? i guess good if youre still using it
Dec 10 06:46:04 <thepoosh> there is no support for that, my team mate custom built one when he needed to use multiple datasets with one RecyclerView
Dec 10 06:46:24 <g00s> yeah, rx is very useful for scenarios. it does kinda take over the whole app like kudzu, i just use it in a few places
Dec 10 06:46:26 <thepoosh> teasp00n: it's a useful lib
Dec 10 06:46:44 <thepoosh> g00s: do you also add retroLambda?
Dec 10 06:46:53 <g00s> i haven't ... no
Dec 10 06:47:15 <g00s> 2 things about RL; you may need it for rxjava 2 - so maybe no choice then
Dec 10 06:47:28 <g00s> but otherwise, i'd probably just rather use kotlin than RL
Dec 10 06:47:43 <thepoosh> you don't need it, but writing lambdas is very fun
Dec 10 06:47:50 <thepoosh> I miss C#
Dec 10 06:48:27 <thepoosh> g00s: it's not needed, just saves a lot of boiler plate code
Dec 10 06:48:55 <g00s> i kinda dislike stuff thats messing around with the bytecode
Dec 10 06:49:04 <g00s> proguard included
Dec 10 06:49:24 <g00s> thepoosh did you see the android dev summit talk, xav gave on tools ?
Dec 10 06:49:41 <g00s> they were going to speed up multidex somehow, so you didn't need a flavor with minSdk=20
Dec 10 06:49:43 <thepoosh> nope, I still have the tab open
Dec 10 06:49:51 <thepoosh> yay
Dec 10 06:50:00 <thepoosh> that was not always an option for me
Dec 10 06:50:38 <g00s> thepoosh i've been poking VS Code on my mac + C# :D
Dec 10 06:50:54 <g00s> they have a great idea with OmniSharp -> Rosylyn
Dec 10 06:51:08 <g00s> compiler must be smart as hell
Dec 10 06:51:21 <g00s> MS has some amazing engineering
Dec 10 06:52:17 <thepoosh> I like where they're going
Dec 10 06:56:14 <teasp00n> arent a lot of the MS ide team the old borland devs?
Dec 10 06:58:15 <g00s> thepoosh i've been looking at the sources for nick butcher's plaid app - but its pretty confusing to me
Dec 10 06:58:45 <g00s> i wish there was good documentation on the stuff he;s doing, the why behind the how
Dec 10 06:59:36 <g00s> worth checking out though
Dec 10 07:02:41 <g00s> teasp00n no idea; delphi went to embarcadero - not sure what happened to the team
Dec 10 07:03:18 <g00s> well obviously Anders Hejlsber went to MS
Dec 10 07:12:02 <g00s> thepoosh have you used Google Play Service Nearby Messages ?
Dec 10 07:16:04 <thepoosh> g00s: no but we are probably integrating AppInvites now
Dec 10 07:44:59 <bsdnoob> hello I am trying to use
Dec 10 07:45:09 <bsdnoob> Volley Library
Dec 10 07:45:14 <bsdnoob> but I keep getting https://i.imgur.com/uUZo9Zg.png
Dec 10 07:45:20 <bsdnoob> how can I fix this?
Dec 10 08:27:54 <surf2b1> I'm trying to update the JDK path in Android Studio on Windows. AS just reverts any changes I make (in Project Defaults -> Project Structure). After some googling, I think I need to update "local.properties". Anyone know what is going on or where "local.properties" is?
Dec 10 08:50:44 <NeoFrontier> I have been using this command to compile native code manually: ndk-build NDK_PROJECT_PATH=. APP_BUILD_SCRIPT=./Android.mk
Dec 10 08:52:20 <NeoFrontier> but for this particular open source project I get this error:
Dec 10 08:52:22 <NeoFrontier> error: undefined reference to 'sfkl_Decode'
Dec 10 08:52:39 <NeoFrontier> I am assuming the open source project actually compiles.
Dec 10 08:54:04 <NeoFrontier> I commented the sfkl_Decode lines and useuages out of the source just to see what happens when I try to compile it, then I get this error:
Dec 10 08:54:23 <NeoFrontier> conflicting types for 'usleep'
Dec 10 08:55:22 <NeoFrontier> android-ndk-r10/platforms/android-3/arch-arm/usr/include/unistd.h:143:13: note: previous declaration of 'usleep' was here
Dec 10 08:56:47 <NeoFrontier> I don't expect errors in the source.
Dec 10 08:57:16 <NeoFrontier> Rather a system config "problem".
Dec 10 08:57:29 <NeoFrontier> or compiler differences.
Dec 10 09:09:51 <NeoFrontier> Any ideas ?
Dec 10 09:14:43 <teasp00n> surf2b1: local.properties is in the root of the project
Dec 10 09:15:03 <teasp00n> surf2b1: you should be able to change that stuff from AS anyway through the project settings from one of the menus
Dec 10 09:15:52 <compac> After I create a view and viewgroup programatically, set the width and height of the view and then add it to the viewgroup, when is the width/height of the viewgroup available?
Dec 10 09:22:07 <surf2b1> teasp00n, I'm guessing local.properties is generated from the default project structure. I know I can change it for each project but I want to update the default values.
Dec 10 09:41:25 <teasp00n> surf2b1: file -> other settings -> default settings... -> build, execution, deployment -> compiler -> java compiler
Dec 10 09:44:27 <teasp00n> surf2b1: actually thats not what you want sorry. from memory AS observes environment variables so you could change JAVA_HOME to be whatever JDK you wanted. it should use that one as long as the project doesnt specify one itself (as this will take precedence)
Dec 10 09:45:16 <surf2b1> teasp00n, I updated JAVA_HOME already and restarted AS. It still won't update. It hates me :'-(
Dec 10 09:45:28 <surf2b1> Thanks for the suggestions!
Dec 10 09:45:57 <teasp00n> surf2b1: it wont update an already existing local.properties. try testing it with a new project and see what it does?
Dec 10 09:48:25 <gordon_> anyone using rxjava ? I want to test my login, so I want to create observer which always fails
Dec 10 09:48:28 <gordon_> how can I do that ?
Dec 10 09:49:07 <gordon_> (I want to invoke onError())
Dec 10 10:06:21 <viran> Hey, I have a Spinner set to wrap_content it's width. The view size changes with every different selection, which has it's own size according to its text's length
Dec 10 10:06:39 <viran> Is there to make a spinner wrap the content of it's biggest entry ?
Dec 10 10:06:49 <viran> so it would have a fixed size
Dec 10 10:13:51 <gordon_> seems like my tests are not atomic
Dec 10 10:14:00 <gordon_> wonder what fails, mockito or rxjava
Dec 10 11:09:42 <squ> gordon_: subscriber.onError(e);
Dec 10 11:16:30 <gordon_> squ: yes, I figured it out
Dec 10 11:16:49 <gordon_> but problem is, when I run one test - it works. but when I run all tests, some of them fail
Dec 10 11:16:56 <gordon_> even if they are in different class
Dec 10 11:17:03 <gordon_> no idea why it happens
Dec 10 11:17:25 * squirrel touches squ
Dec 10 11:22:57 <Thorn> hello
Dec 10 11:23:29 <Thorn> can I update a LocationRequest while periodic updates are on (requestLocationUpdates())? will it have any effect?
Dec 10 11:24:21 <Thorn> or should I call requestLocationUpdates() again?
Dec 10 11:38:46 <emilsp> hello, is there a tool that allows me to read dex files ?
Dec 10 11:38:54 <emilsp> not dex2jar, because dex2jar fails
Dec 10 12:00:53 <cart_man> Hey how do I set an app my app should open with ?
Dec 10 12:00:57 <cart_man> ugh
Dec 10 12:01:23 <cart_man> I mean... if I click a button... and I want to open up another app with a variable sent to it... what do I do?
Dec 10 12:14:09 <s9iper1> hello there people. i am using recyclerview as listview and inflating cardview and its items. here is the code of main xml file. if i comment the whole cardview then i can see the cards and all the methods of recyclerview's adapter are called but when i uncomment them than i cannot see any cards. here is the code http://paste.ubuntu.com/13892030/
Dec 10 12:15:03 <s9iper1> i also  made another xml for recyclerview and then i include it that doesn't help.
Dec 10 12:26:53 <ArcaneWater> Hey guys one question i have Object which i then convert it to json with GSON, but it autmaticaly convers = chars to \u003d is it possible to prevent that ?
Dec 10 12:40:53 <cart_man> Could someone please tell me why my Button Click http://pastebin.com/KNyKZ9r9 just does nothing?
Dec 10 12:45:53 <cart_man> Where is everybody today >
Dec 10 12:45:55 <cart_man> ?`
Dec 10 12:47:21 <s9iper1> hello there people. i am using recyclerview as listview and inflating cardview and its items. here is the code of main xml file. if i comment the whole cardview then i can see the cards and all the methods of recyclerview's adapter are called but when i uncomment them than i cannot see any cards. here is the code http://paste.ubuntu.com/13892030/
Dec 10 13:13:49 <mflow> Is there a way to install custom ROMS on AVDs / emulators ?
Dec 10 13:21:37 <cart_man> Could someone please tell me why my Frame on Click lisetener http://pastebin.com/KNyKZ9r9 just does nothing?
Dec 10 13:24:09 <mflow> Has anyone here successfully tried Address Sanitizer [https://github.com/google/sanitizers/wiki/AddressSanitizer] on an Android device (ARM/ARM64 ABI) ? I've tried multiple devices and all fail to startup or crash immediately after bootup once I inject ASAN and compiler-rt library to the device with the asan_device_setup bash script from either llvm-3.5 or llvm-3.6 inside the Android NDK.
Dec 10 13:25:21 <thisischrys> Hi guys, I'm trying to follow the getting started tutorial, but it doesn't line up perfectly with the latest android studio and/or sdk
Dec 10 13:25:47 <thisischrys> does anyone know of a newer tutorial, or what I need to change to be able to use it? not sure if getting an older version of android studio will help, already tried installing older sdks
Dec 10 13:43:19 <MeiR`> samsung galaxy note 2, rooted stock rom, android 4.4.2
Dec 10 13:43:45 <MeiR`> All of my apps on external SD card are not accessible suddenly
Dec 10 13:44:16 <MeiR`> they appear in application manager with no icon (grey "sd" icon instead"), and most of them have size of 0.00B
Dec 10 13:44:33 <cart_man> MeiR`: Just faulty probably
Dec 10 13:44:45 <MeiR`> the card itself is mounted and accessible
Dec 10 13:44:51 <cart_man> Ohh
Dec 10 13:44:52 <cart_man> hmm
Dec 10 13:45:06 <MeiR`> cart_man: I scanned it both through TWRP and windows CHKDSK
Dec 10 13:45:08 <MeiR`> no errors
Dec 10 13:45:45 <pfn> tbe
Dec 10 13:46:03 <pfn> thepoosh, it doesn't take much time to set up
Dec 10 13:46:08 <MeiR`> another weird thing that happened: whatsapp contact names weren't showing, untill i made a manual refresh
Dec 10 13:46:17 <pfn> thepoosh, like 5 minutes
Dec 10 13:46:53 <MeiR`> i suspect it's related to insane chip, which my device has
Dec 10 13:47:05 <pfn> thepoosh, considering it makes your build take 10 seconds instead of 2 minutes, you profit after only 3 builds
Dec 10 13:47:14 <MeiR`> because there were randon reboots and force closes in last days
Dec 10 13:47:18 <MeiR`> random*
Dec 10 13:48:27 <MeiR`> didn't have problems in 2-3 years since i have the device, though
Dec 10 14:00:05 <gaussblurinc1> Hi! I use Realm database in my project. How should I handle closing of database instance in my application? Should I recreate an instance of database every time I make request or I should create database only once and release it ( somewhere ? ). Besides, this database is encrypted and security issues could exists.
Dec 10 14:03:20 <MeiR`> cart_man: any idea?
Dec 10 14:04:01 <cart_man> MeiR`: No your problem sounds odd... My best guess is that some files got corrupt by anybody could have toldyou that and its a bit broad.
Dec 10 14:06:42 <thepoosh> pfn: I agree, but we haven't allotted time for this yet
Dec 10 14:06:46 <thepoosh> I will get to it
Dec 10 14:06:50 <thepoosh> *I want to get to it
Dec 10 14:44:17 <pfn> ugh, copy ctor for margin layoutparams doesn't work for the common use case
Dec 10 14:56:26 <pfn> e.g new RelativeLayout.LayouyParams(frameLayoutParams) will lose margin info
Dec 10 14:56:41 <pfn> even though the code does try...
Dec 10 14:56:49 <pfn> shitty overloads
Dec 10 14:57:27 <gordon_> no jake...
Dec 10 14:58:21 <pfn> or for that matter, new FrameLayout.LayoutParams(frameLayoutParams)
Dec 10 14:58:26 <pfn> will lose margins
Dec 10 15:00:31 <RockThatBodyGER> hey, how much gb do I need for Kernel development? (cause my ssd only has 50gb left)
Dec 10 15:02:43 <pfn> for aosp, you'll need about 100gb to build everything
Dec 10 15:02:59 <pfn> something between 50-100gb for kernel only
Dec 10 15:03:18 <RockThatBodyGER> do I need to download as much too? because my internet has a cap of 30gb per month... ^^
Dec 10 15:05:18 <pfn> aosp is 50gb download
Dec 10 15:07:02 <emilsp> RockThatBodyGER, you're pretty much screwed
Dec 10 15:08:11 <dragorn> have you considered getting an amazon instance for a month? heh
Dec 10 15:08:30 <dragorn> aosp is a f'ing monster to build.
Dec 10 15:09:28 <RockThatBodyGER> i want to build a CM13.0 Android 6.0.1 kernel for my Galaxy S3
Dec 10 15:09:39 <RockThatBodyGER> cause boeffla quit dev for s3
Dec 10 15:10:01 <emilsp> dragorn, it's not that bad if you have memory to spare
Dec 10 15:10:13 <dragorn> emilsp, I'm used to having to account for multiple devs :P
Dec 10 15:10:28 <dragorn> emilsp, so i had to spec a real monster to handle 4 or 5 devs doing build
Dec 10 15:10:48 <emilsp> dragorn, makes sense
Dec 10 15:11:31 <dragorn> it worked pretty well tho, I think we were down to around 21 minutes for a build, we ended up constrained mostly by some inherent non-parrallelisms in the build process and dependencies that would stall a whole branch until later
Dec 10 15:11:39 <dragorn> which was fine since it let another dev get more cpu time, honestly
Dec 10 15:12:08 <emilsp> in my office, we used distcc to basically run a single gcc thread on each of the machines in the office
Dec 10 15:12:19 <emilsp> we got the process down to 30 minutes, which is fairly good
Dec 10 15:12:26 <emilsp> with 0 impact on usability in general
Dec 10 15:12:39 <RockThatBodyGER> yeah sounds good, i heard of 8 hours to 8 days for a rom... :o
Dec 10 15:12:57 <RockThatBodyGER> does a ssd improve build times?
Dec 10 15:13:37 <emilsp> yes, immensely
Dec 10 15:14:22 <RockThatBodyGER> okay, gonna move some games to my hdd then and split up that ssd for ubuntu
Dec 10 15:18:38 <RockThatBodyGER> do you know a good guide for kernel building beginners? i already found these 2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2152819 http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/adding-features-to-your-kernel
Dec 10 15:22:10 <pfn> #android-root
Dec 10 15:22:22 <pfn> no custom rom talk here
Dec 10 15:25:28 <emilsp> pfn, ok ok
Dec 10 15:43:19 <mintux> it's my drawer code that it generated with android studio default template http://rifers.org/paste/show/4472 and i have this textview http://rifers.org/paste/content/paste/4472/image but when i selected an item in drawer list view it doesn't write anything on textview
Dec 10 15:43:51 <mintux> or how can i change content view when selected an item in drawer list suppose i have there content view
Dec 10 15:44:00 <mintux> and there item in drawer list
Dec 10 15:48:07 <pfn> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=196729
Dec 10 15:48:08 <pfn> yay
Dec 10 15:48:16 <pfn> avoid catching me off guard
Dec 10 15:52:39 <MooGoo> why do some of my AlertDialogs appear with the button text color as my accent color, and have the buttons stacked vertically, while others have the button text as bluish green and the button text just gets pushed off screen if there is not enough space?
Dec 10 15:52:45 <MooGoo> I can't figure any difference
Dec 10 15:55:15 <vegetabl4salad19> what was the chanal for non dev related Android talk ?
Dec 10 15:55:24 <emilsp> #android
Dec 10 15:55:25 <pfn> #android isn't obvious?
Dec 10 15:55:34 <emilsp> obviously...
Dec 10 15:55:52 <vegetabl4salad19> I thought it was android-offtopic,  android-talk or smth like that
Dec 10 15:56:12 <squirrel> MooGoo: neither sounds right tho
Dec 10 15:56:46 <MooGoo> ...what would sound right?
Dec 10 15:56:53 <MooGoo> this is just for the Material themed dialogs
Dec 10 15:59:04 <squirrel> accent color, buttons stacked horizontally
Dec 10 15:59:26 <squirrel> are AlertDialogs you are importing the same?
Dec 10 16:00:18 <MooGoo> ........
Dec 10 16:00:20 <MooGoo> maybe not
Dec 10 16:00:58 <MooGoo> maybe the support AlertDialog library is what I need to use
Dec 10 16:02:39 <literallycat> what is it called when your app has a protocol that can accept requests in the form of <app name>://resource
Dec 10 16:02:40 <MooGoo> or maybe it's the platform version that works the way I want it
Dec 10 16:03:54 <dragorn> literallycat, URI
Dec 10 16:04:03 <MooGoo> ah....so using the support AlertDialog results in blueish buttons that dont wrap, and using the platform AlertDialog gives me accent colored buttons that are stacked
Dec 10 16:04:22 <literallycat> thanks dragorn
Dec 10 16:05:42 <drose379> If I want to make a HTTP request every few hours no matter if the app is open or dead, how would I make that happen?
Dec 10 16:06:17 <MooGoo> AlarmManager?
Dec 10 16:06:32 <drose379> Would that let me make the request and act on it? In the background
Dec 10 16:07:17 <MooGoo> sure, tho I think you'd still have to specify to run on a background thread
Dec 10 16:08:09 <drose379> Sweet, I'll look into that, thanks
Dec 10 16:08:21 <drose379> How would I specify that it runs on the background thread?
Dec 10 16:08:24 <oo_miguel> Can I tell an ImageView to use my different mipmaps (or drawables?) based on its size? (I provided h,m,x,xx,xxx version but it always takes the same png for any size)
Dec 10 16:08:35 <pfn> huh?
Dec 10 16:08:49 <pfn> pretty much everything should go into drawable
Dec 10 16:09:09 <MooGoo> drose379: Thread, AsyncTask, Handler etc
Dec 10 16:09:17 <drose379> Great, thanks
Dec 10 16:09:22 <pfn> oo_miguel, and for that matter, they should always be the same size
Dec 10 16:12:15 <oo_miguel> pfn: Imagine some animation when I want to scale some things over time.
Dec 10 16:12:22 <pfn> so?
Dec 10 16:12:30 <pfn> dpi buckets are completely unrelated
Dec 10 16:12:35 <pfn> your question makes no sense
Dec 10 16:18:12 <squirrel> size ≠ pixel density
Dec 10 16:18:45 <oo_miguel> pfn: I thought I could use image-buckets for this. So if I want to make an imaged that is scaled from lets say 1x1dp to fullscreen, and use different image resolutions over this time I have to write something on my own and not rely on this density-buckets.
Dec 10 16:20:09 <pfn> oo_miguel, density buckets are not image buckets
Dec 10 16:22:49 <xgearx> Hello! Could you guys tell me example of android library (aar, not jar) from github, which have javadocs and the bundling into aar during build.
Dec 10 16:23:08 <pfn> uh, use google to find one
Dec 10 16:23:10 <xgearx> I want to build my library with javadocs but no luck
Dec 10 16:23:12 <pfn> there's a shitton
Dec 10 16:23:17 <pfn> and aar don't include javadoc
Dec 10 16:23:32 <xgearx> i mean in ide
Dec 10 16:24:03 <xgearx> Quick documentation feature
Dec 10 16:24:19 <xgearx> which highlights javadoc
Dec 10 16:24:36 * pfn publishes javadoc with aar, but not using gradle
Dec 10 16:24:50 <xgearx> :(
Dec 10 16:25:01 <pfn> http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Cg%3A%22com.rengwuxian.materialedittext%22
Dec 10 16:25:07 <pfn> they seem to publish javadoc
Dec 10 16:25:54 <oo_miguel> pfn: Where can I learn more about this "image buckets" ?
Dec 10 16:27:04 <squirrel> i wonder if ImageView or the like ever work with mimaps
Dec 10 16:27:21 <squirrel> technically mipmaps /are/ image buckets
Dec 10 16:27:22 <pfn> squirrel, why wouldn't it
Dec 10 16:27:42 <squirrel> well, i mean, selecting different bitmaps at different sizes
Dec 10 16:28:44 <oo_miguel> squirrel: this is what I actually expected. but as I understand the selection is done  once at (startup?) based on the density of the device.
Dec 10 16:29:11 <oo_miguel> and scaling it afterwards does not affect this selection in any way
Dec 10 16:29:50 <oo_miguel> or even more general: the size of the imageView does not have any effect on the choice of the drawable or mipmap
Dec 10 16:30:27 <pfn> of course
Dec 10 16:30:30 <pfn> that's how resources work
Dec 10 16:31:25 <oo_miguel> pfn: I understand this now. Is there any mechanism that works in a way I expected mipmaps to work? Or will I have to write this on my own?
Dec 10 16:31:37 <squirrel> well there are some api concerning mipmaps.. somewhere
Dec 10 16:32:55 <oo_miguel> squirrel: ok sure, I am aware that what I want is doable and it might be not a completely new idea :)
Dec 10 16:33:40 <oo_miguel> simliar to the original mimaps invented in the early 80ies ;
Dec 10 16:33:42 <oo_miguel> ;)
Dec 10 16:34:10 <oo_miguel> maybe hence my misconception about the android mipmaps
Dec 10 16:35:15 <oo_miguel> In fact I was trying to understand the difference between mipmaps and drawables, so I thought they might behave differently in some ways.
Dec 10 16:35:20 <pfn> they don't
Dec 10 16:35:23 <pfn> they behave identically
Dec 10 16:35:45 <pfn> the only difference is that mipmap won't get removed, and when scaling down, bitmap may choose a lower dpi mipmap image
Dec 10 16:36:13 <pfn> future play store updates may auto-remove drawable buckets in order to reduce bandwidth utilization
Dec 10 16:37:44 <oo_miguel> pfn: hmm, so bitmaps may choose _other_ images when scaled.
Dec 10 16:37:52 <pfn> it might
Dec 10 16:37:52 <oo_miguel> pfn: I will have to take a look at that, thank you
Dec 10 16:39:42 <pfn> you can use getDrawableForDensity
Dec 10 16:40:18 <oo_miguel> pfn: thanks
Dec 10 16:40:52 <pfn> but innately, not really what you want to be doing
Dec 10 16:42:02 <oo_miguel> pfn: Initially I wanted only to understand the difference (mipmaps/drawables), which became mostly clear now.
Dec 10 16:42:12 <missingno> so how is it that you can have this in styles:
Dec 10 16:42:13 <missingno> <style name="Toolbar" parent="Widget.AppCompat.Toolbar">
Dec 10 16:42:24 <missingno> and not explicitly set it as a style on any Toolbars
Dec 10 16:42:29 <missingno> but somehow it takes effect
Dec 10 16:42:34 <pfn> it doesn't take effect
Dec 10 16:42:38 <missingno> is there a name or documentation page for this
Dec 10 16:42:44 <missingno> it sure looks like it does
Dec 10 16:42:48 <pfn> it doesn't
Dec 10 16:42:59 <oo_miguel> pfn: and in the course of this I began thinking how to implement some "mipmaps" that are chosen dynamically, based on the pixel-size of my image on screen. but after all I will not do anything by now :P
Dec 10 16:44:06 <missingno> oh there was a reference to it
Dec 10 16:44:09 <pfn> duh
Dec 10 16:44:16 <oo_miguel> pfn: thanks again for your help
Dec 10 16:44:19 <missingno> \o/
Dec 10 16:44:22 <missingno> thank you pfn
Dec 10 16:44:37 <pfn> I wish there was an easy way to "git grep" from IDE
Dec 10 16:44:44 <pfn> I always have to fallback to terminal for searching for shit...
Dec 10 16:44:44 <missingno> cmd-shift-f
Dec 10 16:45:02 <mintux> could someone translate this: ((MainActivity) activity).onSectionAttached( getArguments().getInt(ARG_SECTION_NUMBER));  for me?
Dec 10 16:45:03 <missingno> wait git grep is more subtle than that isn't it
Dec 10 16:45:15 <pfn> it is, but that's useful, maybe what I need, thanks
Dec 10 16:45:42 <missingno> what do you mean by translate
Dec 10 16:45:57 <canvs2321-> demystify
Dec 10 16:46:04 <missingno> I feel like there's context, it just looks like onSectionAttached is being called
Dec 10 16:46:13 <missingno> o well I don't feel like scrolling back
Dec 10 16:48:32 <mintux> missingno: i try to show some content or show an activity when i selected item in drawer listview it's my code that it's default template of android studio: http://rifers.org/paste/show/4472 onAttach is last method in this code
Dec 10 16:48:45 <canvs2321-> activity is probably just an Activity or some kind of AppCompatActivity object. you are casting MainActivity which is probably a class that extends Activity and the such and has a method called onSectionAttached() to the activity object. you could have did MainActivity activity and skipped the casting, but maybe you are in fragment and just called getActivity() and put that in activity
Dec 10 16:48:46 <canvs2321-> without the cast
Dec 10 16:48:56 <mintux> ARG_SECTION_NUMBER is a number
Dec 10 16:50:28 <canvs2321-> MainActivity activity = (MainActivity)getActivity(); activity.onSectionAttached(...); vs Activity activity = getActivity(); ((MainActivity)activity)...
Dec 10 16:51:24 <mintux> hmm
Dec 10 16:52:36 <canvs2321-> getArguments() is just getting the bundle that was passed, and getInt(ARG_XXXX) is just checking the bundle for that ARG_KEY for a integer
Dec 10 16:54:20 <mintux> i mistake when get log from Log.d("MRG",ARG_SECTION_NUMBER); it returns section_number text only. i search in google and it seems i should define on onAttach menu to which fragment shows when select item in drawer list
Dec 10 16:59:49 <canvs2321-> pastebin some code if you get bored
Dec 10 17:00:28 <mintux> ok thanks
Dec 10 17:05:04 <mintux> canvs2321-:  MainActivity.java http://rifers.org/paste/show/4473  NavigationDrawerFragment.java: http://rifers.org/paste/show/4474   activity_main.xml:  http://rifers.org/paste/show/4475  fragment_main.xml: http://rifers.org/paste/show/4476   fragment_navigation_drawer.xml: http://rifers.org/paste/show/4477  i want to change main_content activity to second activity when selected item2 in drawer list
Dec 10 17:08:09 <canvs2321-> ARG_SECTION_NUMBER is your string key that's why
Dec 10 17:09:15 <canvs2321-> the value retrieved from getArguments using that key is what you want
Dec 10 17:10:02 <canvs2321-> so what is the question?
Dec 10 17:12:15 <mintux> how can i change content_view to another activiry
Dec 10 17:17:19 <duboisj> I’m writing an android library which others may use (and also an app based on it).  Will it cause them difficulties if my library depends on the v4 and v7 appcompat libraries?
Dec 10 17:17:48 <duboisj> Right now it seems tricky, but I’m using ant.  If I move to gradle it looks like it would get easier (but I don’t want to cause trouble for users of the library down the line)
Dec 10 17:20:00 <sector_0> is there a library for handling http stuff, like GET and POST requests and cookies?
Dec 10 17:20:23 <storkme> retrofit?
Dec 10 17:20:42 <storkme> though that's designed for http rest APIs
Dec 10 17:22:06 <sector_0> storkme, well I'm interfacing a REST API, but it uses cookies for authentication
Dec 10 17:24:43 <sector_0> storkme, would this be a good fit?
Dec 10 17:25:14 <storkme> sector_0: i think so, yeah. Definitely worth checking out.
Dec 10 17:34:10 <pfn> duboisj, absolutely no one should be using ant to build android apps anymore, ever
Dec 10 17:34:24 <pfn> duboisj, the only reason to use ant is for an app that was written prior to the new build system and will never be maintained
Dec 10 17:34:41 <Sixmsj> is there a way to load a fragment into an activitiy immediately upon activity start without a noticeable UI change, right now i’m seeing a white content area (framelayout) that then transitions to my fragment that i’m loading in oncreate of the activity
Dec 10 17:34:55 <duboisj> I’ve accepted that I should change it, sure.
Dec 10 17:34:58 <pfn> Sixmsj, don't set your background to white
Dec 10 17:35:08 <Mavrik> and don't take ages to layout your fragment.
Dec 10 17:35:09 <pfn> duboisj, and there is no problem depending on android libs
Dec 10 17:35:16 <pfn> pretty much that ^
Dec 10 17:35:38 <storkme> Sixmsj: aren't the animations causing the delay?
Dec 10 17:35:58 <duboisj> I’ll be able to make an android library project which itself depends on the library projects google ships for v7.appcompat and it won’t cause people pain when they try to use my library?
Dec 10 17:36:21 <Sixmsj> pfn: i’ll try that just for peace of mind, i would’ve thought that wouldn’t work very well
Dec 10 17:36:29 <Sixmsj> storkme: not sure
Dec 10 17:37:05 <storkme> you shouldn't really be animating in a fragment on a fresh launch of the activity
Dec 10 17:37:32 <pfn> duboisj, depend on the aar, not library project
Dec 10 17:37:41 <pfn> duboisj, depending on the library project is an absolute no no
Dec 10 17:37:45 <pfn> duboisj, no one will use your library
Dec 10 17:39:00 <Sixmsj> storkme: i was looking for some sort of equivalent to setting an initial fragment in the layout file
Dec 10 17:39:01 <duboisj> ah!  I didn’t know a .arr existed.  I had been confused by thinking there was no binary distribution standard for a library in android, which seemed bad.
Dec 10 17:39:34 <s73v3r> .arr: The Pirate’s File Extention
Dec 10 17:39:48 <morenoh149> does anyone know where I can get a large .vcf file for testing?
Dec 10 17:39:54 <morenoh149> or how to generate one?
Dec 10 17:40:02 <morenoh149> I need one with >300 contacts
Dec 10 17:40:11 <morenoh149> and this is all I've found http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/file/5543.html
Dec 10 17:40:24 <duboisj> but google doesn’t seem to distribute the v7 support library as a .arr, that’s something I’m expected to build myself from their source?  weird.
Dec 10 17:40:32 <s73v3r> you’d probably be better off generating one
Dec 10 17:40:33 <pfn> duboisj, it's been around for several years now, and of course it's distributed as an aar
Dec 10 17:41:05 <duboisj> Ok, I’ve done a bad job finding it then … :(
Dec 10 17:41:11 <pfn> yes, you have
Dec 10 17:41:14 <g00s> is the 'X' icon I see as 'close' on some activities (where the back arrow usually is) built-in ?
Dec 10 17:44:01 <g00s> now this is interesting http://openjdk.java.net/projects/mobile/
Dec 10 17:45:48 <s73v3r> g00s: I don’t believe it is
Dec 10 17:46:03 <g00s> s73v3r ok thanks
Dec 10 17:46:06 <s73v3r> as for the JDK, that could be interesting
Dec 10 17:46:27 <s73v3r> What if it means that we could actually start using modern Java for Android dev? :D
Dec 10 17:47:07 <g00s> it would be nice if google did something ;)
Dec 10 17:47:26 <s73v3r> and wouldn’t it be embarassing if an open source project were to make it happen before Google did?
Dec 10 17:51:40 <jeremyabel> so this is my first time actually using EditText in a layout. I'm using a ViewPager and a bunch of fragments as the main interface. I added an EditText to one of them, and now when I tap the text box to edit it, the keyboard comes up but it also sends the ViewPager back to the first fragment in the list
Dec 10 17:51:45 <jeremyabel> wtf is that all about?
Dec 10 17:55:19 <duboisj> no .arr is present in my sdk dir despite having downloaded the support libs.  I guess I’m misunderstanding still.  hrrm … :/
Dec 10 17:56:46 <pfn> duboisj, yeah, wtf do you think it's .arr
Dec 10 18:05:08 <jeremyabel> goddammit wtf is up with EditText and focus
Dec 10 18:06:24 <jeremyabel> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1555109/stop-edittext-from-gaining-focus-at-activity-startup oh joy
Dec 10 18:18:37 <s73v3r> So I factory reset my phone, cause it was acting up, and now I can’t remember my Google password D:
Dec 10 18:26:48 <Tobbi> How do I fix an image view to the bottom of the screen in a relative layout?
Dec 10 18:27:07 <Tobbi> SHould be simple iirc.
Dec 10 18:29:13 <Ashiren> alignParentBottom
Dec 10 18:30:10 <Tobbi> Ashiren: Thanks! :)
Dec 10 18:40:26 <explodes_> Sqlite3 - So much fun.
Dec 10 18:41:00 <explodes_> Now that I'm combing Sqlite3 with Retrofit/RxJava, I am curious as to what you guys think about what Schedulers I could perform transactions on.
Dec 10 18:50:09 <pepee> what TTS engines does android use by default, and can these be used for commercial purposes for free?
Dec 10 19:15:04 <PhoenixFyre> for apps being developed today on android 5 and 6, what is the proper way to go for creating tabbed layout apps?
Dec 10 19:15:22 <PhoenixFyre> it used to be to use ActionBar.  is this still the case? or
Dec 10 19:15:53 <SimonVT> TabLayout
Dec 10 19:16:14 <g00s> new Android SDK Platform Tools in SDK Manager
Dec 10 19:17:29 <PhoenixFyre> TabLayout is the proper way today?
Dec 10 19:35:12 <morenoh149> I'm pretty new to android dev. What would be the equivalent to javascript's Object type?
Dec 10 19:36:34 <morenoh149> looks like a hashmap
Dec 10 19:38:34 <thebishop> morenoh149, you can work with JSON objects in Java if you like
Dec 10 19:38:54 <thebishop> but it's probably not the best solution if your app isn't interfacing with rest apis or something
Dec 10 19:38:54 <morenoh149> this right http://developer.android.com/reference/org/json/JSONObject.html
Dec 10 19:39:05 <thebishop> morenoh149, correct
Dec 10 19:39:32 <s73v3r> keep in mind that you’re not gonna want to write like it’s javascript
Dec 10 19:39:34 <thebishop> morenoh149, but i wouldn't recommend storing things internally as json objects if you're doing java-y things to your data
Dec 10 19:39:39 <s73v3r> there’s a typesystem. use it
Dec 10 19:40:11 <morenoh149> I'm being passed in a json object from my user. I think this is perfect in my case.
Dec 10 19:40:46 <thebishop> morenoh149, sounds good.  just don't neglect basic java skills.
Dec 10 19:41:11 <morenoh149> I'll try but I'm a beginner
Dec 10 19:41:14 <thebishop> ;)
Dec 10 19:41:23 <thebishop> even better reason to learn the basics of java
Dec 10 19:41:30 <thebishop> trying to bring javascript skills into java will bring pain
Dec 10 19:41:38 <thebishop> don't let the prefix fool you
Dec 10 19:43:12 <TacticalJoke> morenoh149:  How is the user passing in a JSON object?  Just curious.
Dec 10 19:43:25 <morenoh149> I think I know a little java. It's the whole android framework I'm struggling with
Dec 10 19:43:42 <morenoh149> TacticalJoke: https://github.com/rt2zz/react-native-contacts#api I'm implementing this
Dec 10 19:43:44 <s73v3r> you would be better off taking that JSON object and turning it into a concrete POJO with types and everything as soon as possible
Dec 10 19:43:54 <pfn> the android framework is /just/ another java framework
Dec 10 19:44:17 <morenoh149> yes I plan on parsing the fields in jsonobject to create a contact immediately
Dec 10 19:53:17 <AndChat111201> Has anyone tried to run UI tests in android emulator in headless mode within CI environment?
Dec 10 19:57:33 <RockThatBodyGER> hey, what to do when i get a error on "$ make clean && make mrproper"
Dec 10 19:57:43 <RockThatBodyGER> im using Ubuntu 15.10
Dec 10 19:58:09 <RockThatBodyGER> i get "make: * No rule to make target 'clean'.   End.
Dec 10 20:00:29 <morenoh149> RockThatBodyGER: share the makefile
Dec 10 20:00:46 <morenoh149> it's saying there's nothing to do for `make clean`
Dec 10 20:01:02 <_genuser_> hello folks.
Dec 10 20:01:20 <_genuser_> can't android studio update on it's own instead of you having to download the install separately.
Dec 10 20:01:58 <TacticalJoke> _genuser_:  I've never had a problem with Android Studio updating itself.
Dec 10 20:02:24 <_genuser_> yeah, it was only telling there's an upate before. but this last time I hit check for update, it has an update and restart option.
Dec 10 20:02:38 <_genuser_> moving to 1.5 :)
Dec 10 20:02:44 <thebishop> AndChat111201, no, unfortunately.  my app desperately needs automated testing, but it uses networking/VPN calls which don't seem to be supported in the emulator
Dec 10 20:03:15 <_genuser_> I see the UI is still not cool.
Dec 10 20:03:25 <RockThatBodyGER> morenoh149: okay it tells me that the link is faulty
Dec 10 20:03:53 <RockThatBodyGER> i did everything just like in this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4jhXWc7AE
Dec 10 20:04:25 <_genuser_> wait you need admin privs to install androidstudio?
Dec 10 20:04:44 <_genuser_> whaa!! doesn't chrome install without all that. AS could've gone that route too. :)
Dec 10 20:05:30 <_genuser_> alright 1.5 in stable. 2 in canary. anybody using 2.0?
Dec 10 20:07:49 <perlsyntax> i have not try android studio 2.0 yet.
Dec 10 20:07:57 <TacticalJoke> I'm waiting till it's out.
Dec 10 20:08:12 <thebishop> i really want to get on Android studio, but i feel like I should convert my build process to Gradle first
Dec 10 20:08:12 <perlsyntax> i waiting for the stable one to come out to:)
Dec 10 20:08:21 <thebishop> are there any good guides for migrating from ANT to Gradle?
Dec 10 20:08:42 <_genuser_> ok, I suppose I'll stick with 1.5.1 for now then. I was on 1.2.2 so it's an update. :)
Dec 10 20:08:47 <perlsyntax> Can you do deep links with android studio 1.5.1 or it just 2.0?
Dec 10 20:09:00 <thebishop> i've got significant native code, 3rd party libraries, html/js/css cooking, etc as part of the build
Dec 10 20:11:05 <perlsyntax> Sorry for the newbie question.
Dec 10 20:11:11 <_genuser_> any of you do ios dev too?
Dec 10 20:11:51 <TacticalJoke> perlsyntax:  What do you mean?
Dec 10 20:12:16 <perlsyntax> i Mean deeplink for put your app in google search.
Dec 10 20:12:51 <perlsyntax> <_genuser_>,I tryt o do some ios but keep come back to android.
Dec 10 20:13:16 <eghdk> What the proper thing to say? RuntimeExceptions crash Android applications? Or "Unhandled" RuntimeExceptions cause crashes?
Dec 10 20:13:36 <perlsyntax> TacticalJoke,I thought it was just android stuio 2.0
Dec 10 20:13:41 <_genuser_> perlsyntax: hmm, what are do you use for dev work? a mac and what else?
Dec 10 20:14:01 <perlsyntax> genuser,Just a mac
Dec 10 20:14:15 <_genuser_> perlsyntax: can you still not do ios dev on a windows/linux pc?
Dec 10 20:14:22 <TacticalJoke> eghdk:  Uncaught exceptions crash apps.
Dec 10 20:14:26 <TacticalJoke> eghdk:  Why are you asking this?
Dec 10 20:14:37 <perlsyntax> i know that.
Dec 10 20:15:16 <eghdk> I'm creating a new Exception, but it's not crashing the app.
Dec 10 20:15:20 <perlsyntax> genuser,Just a mac
Dec 10 20:15:21 <eghdk> TacticalJoke: ^
Dec 10 20:15:39 <TacticalJoke> eghdk:  Can you post the code?
Dec 10 20:15:41 <teasp00n> eghdk: you need to throw it
Dec 10 20:16:18 <teasp00n> eghdk: throw new Exception("message"); or whatever your constructor is
Dec 10 20:18:41 <_genuser_> so AS doesn't collapse values,values-v21,values-v18, etc. into a single "values" item in the left side treeview anymore eh?
Dec 10 20:18:51 <_genuser_> that's great. I used to really get confused on that one.
Dec 10 20:20:26 <saapas> InflateException: Binary XML file line #23: Error inflating class fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric.Summary       is this because the class is defined inside DayViewInflatoric as public static class?
Dec 10 20:20:46 <duboisj> alright, back from lunch, realized my ‘pirate extension’ problem.  sorry for the trouble, and I will go switch to gradle and the .aar.  at any rate, thank you pfn and s73v3r
Dec 10 20:21:40 <TacticalJoke> saapas:  Never tried, but I think you have to say `<view class="fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric$Summary" />`.
Dec 10 20:21:45 <TacticalJoke> Though why not make it a top-level class?
Dec 10 20:22:56 <saapas> TacticalJoke, ok, I'll try that. not a top-level class because it's only meant for DayView :P
Dec 10 20:23:58 <saapas> I think I've done <fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric /> or equivalent several times..
Dec 10 20:24:36 <eghdk> TacticalJoke: and teasp00n so wait. Throwing a new Exception will cause the app to crash? I could have sworn it had to be a RTException
Dec 10 20:25:02 <TacticalJoke> Any Throwable will cause a crash.
Dec 10 20:27:20 <saapas> TacticalJoke, well, that just caused a ClassCastException :P could the InflateException be caused by not calling inflate during executing Summary's constructor?
Dec 10 20:27:50 <TacticalJoke> saapas:  You might as well post the code.
Dec 10 20:28:02 <TacticalJoke> It's better than playing 127 questions on IRC.  :D
Dec 10 20:28:06 <saapas> I know :P
Dec 10 20:28:25 <saapas> I also get ClassNotFoundException about the Summary
Dec 10 20:32:53 <morenoh149> 'Whenever possible, you should insert, update, and delete data in the Contacts Provider in "batch mode", by creating an ArrayList of ContentProviderOperation objects and calling applyBatch()'
Dec 10 20:33:05 <morenoh149> is there anyway to only do one contact at a time?
Dec 10 20:33:26 <saapas> TacticalJoke, here's the class http://pastebin.com/vJzLzxZh
Dec 10 20:34:34 <saapas> TacticalJoke, and here's the layout-xml http://pastebin.com/ssaUkFp0
Dec 10 20:34:59 <nebiros> there's  a way to share stuff between androidTest and test?
Dec 10 20:35:23 <hattusili_VI> morenoh149, there's a suggestion to use an Intent for this http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/contacts-provider.html#Intents
Dec 10 20:35:27 <TacticalJoke> saapas:  As we said before, `<fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric.Summary` is wrong.
Dec 10 20:35:50 <saapas> nobody said it's wrong :)
Dec 10 20:35:59 <morenoh149> hattusili_VI: I don't want to display any UI. Intents display UI?
Dec 10 20:36:36 <TacticalJoke> saapas:  Didn't you try what I said above?
Dec 10 20:37:10 <squirrel> <fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric$Summary would work if $ was allowed in xml tags
Dec 10 20:37:13 <thebishop> morenoh149, not necessarily.  i've never used this particular one though
Dec 10 20:37:20 <saapas> squirrel, aha, thanks
Dec 10 20:37:34 <squirrel> ..which is not
Dec 10 20:37:55 <saapas> TacticalJoke, I did and I told you that it got me a ClassCastException because View can not be casted to Summary (or vice versa)
Dec 10 20:38:04 <teasp00n> eghdk: any unhandled exception that bubbles up to the jvm will cause it to halt
Dec 10 20:38:06 <morenoh149> every example I saw utilizing intents for contacts showed ui. So I decided to just try to use the contactprovider instead.
Dec 10 20:38:23 <saapas> <fi.casa.tagtime.view.TagGroup /> this is a working example in another layout-xml I have.
Dec 10 20:38:24 <TacticalJoke> saapas:  <view class="fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric$Summary" />
Dec 10 20:38:32 <TacticalJoke> view != View
Dec 10 20:39:02 <saapas> ok I thought you meant with capital
Dec 10 20:39:19 <teasp00n> eghdk: the difference between a RuntimeException and a (Checked) Exception is that the compiler will force you to handle a checked exception in some way
Dec 10 20:39:22 <saapas> with lowercase, AS can't resolve DayViewInflatoric.
Dec 10 20:39:56 <thebishop> morenoh149, the documentation recommends you use ContentResolver.delete() http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/ContentResolver.html#delete(android.net.Uri, java.lang.String, java.lang.String[])
Dec 10 20:40:00 <saapas> ...but if I have $ there instead of dot, it's fine. lol.
Dec 10 20:40:33 <teasp00n> eghdk: that can be by either surrounding with a try catch block or declaring that the method throws the exception also.
Dec 10 20:42:12 <teasp00n> eghdk: for academic purposes you can throw a new RuntimeException() to see what it does
Dec 10 20:42:53 <teasp00n> eghdk: a NullPointerException is an example of a RuntimeException
Dec 10 20:43:14 <morenoh149> I'll use http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/ContactsContract.RawContacts.html > insert
Dec 10 20:45:42 <saapas> <view class="fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric$Summary" also caused an InflateException >_<
Dec 10 20:51:10 <TacticalJoke> What is the message for the InflateException?  It may be because you're calling `setupViewItems` before onFinishInflate.
Dec 10 20:51:58 <TacticalJoke> Actually, on second view, it's probably not that.
Dec 10 20:52:05 <saapas> android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #23: Error inflating class fi.casa.tagtime.view.DayViewInflatoric$Summary
Dec 10 20:52:40 <saapas> that's the first Exception. lower in the stack trace there's Caused by: java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: <init> [class android.content.Context, interface android.util.AttributeSet]
Dec 10 20:53:05 <saapas> of which I have no idea where that is, because I just checked both classes have such a constructor
Dec 10 20:53:13 <TacticalJoke> Oh, that comstructor is private.
Dec 10 20:53:33 <saapas> good god. it is.
Dec 10 20:56:33 <saapas> that's it :)
Dec 10 20:56:36 <saapas> thanks
Dec 10 20:57:27 <saapas> I checked yesterday that Summary is public but forgot the constructors.
Dec 10 21:00:39 <morenoh149> ` Once ContactsContract.RawContacts.Data values become available, insert those. For example, here's how you would insert a name:` does this mean I need to make the application wait?
Dec 10 21:04:16 <eghdk> TacticalJoke: Any throwable that's thrown correct? Just "creating" one via new Exception() won't cause a crash right?
Dec 10 21:04:31 <thebishop> sorry if this is a noob question: i'm migrating code from a class file contain a fragment implementation into a different activity.  can i somehow not link in the previous fragment file without deleting it (for the moment)?
Dec 10 21:06:58 <cart_man> Hey how do I make an intent launch the AndroidOS Video app ? I do not want it to even ask what app to use I just want it to open the video app with a string I send it ?
Dec 10 21:07:05 <cart_man> ACTION_VIEW
Dec 10 21:08:32 <teasp00n> eghdk: thats right, it needs to be thrown
Dec 10 21:11:46 <_genuser_> hello people.
Dec 10 21:11:53 <Afzal> hell _genuser_
Dec 10 21:12:03 <Afzal> hello*
Dec 10 21:13:13 <_genuser_> wrestling with a samba/router configuration pissing me off.
Dec 10 21:15:28 <eghdk> teasp00n: but if I create a new RuntimeException (and don't throw it), shouldn't that crash?
Dec 10 21:15:47 <eghdk> or no. Every Throwable has to be thrown to crash
Dec 10 21:17:59 <teasp00n> eghdk: the exception strategy will only be invoked once an exception has been thrown. just creating a new one wont do this.
Dec 10 21:20:14 <_genuser_> hmm my phone is connected. my windows explorer see it. but AS refuses to see it.
Dec 10 21:23:00 <kuldeep> Can anybody help me build <intent-filter> for app accepting CSV file.  its mime-type = "text/csv" and extension is ".csv". i want file browser app to show that my app can open this file. there are lots of option and combination because of which im getting confused.
Dec 10 21:23:58 <teasp00n> eghdk: nope. if it did that then you wouldn't have any opportunity to call any methods on the exception right? what if you wanted to call myRuntimeException.setMessage("some message"); ?
Dec 10 21:25:44 <squirrel> _genuser_: mount is as a disk or something
Dec 10 21:25:55 <eghdk> Yeah, you're right. I was thinking about it the wrong way. Thanks teasp00n appreciate you walking through it with me
Dec 10 21:26:17 <teasp00n> eghdk: no worries man :)
Dec 10 21:26:45 <_genuser_> squirrel: well, I want to use AS against it to debug, etc.
Dec 10 21:27:25 <cart_man> s73v3r: Hey can I bother you ?
Dec 10 21:28:25 <saapas> it's so weird that when a custom view is inflated, you can't go through the construction while debugging.
Dec 10 21:28:29 <s73v3r> i suppose
Dec 10 21:28:38 <squirrel> _genuser_: against what. and what do you mean by samba and router
Dec 10 21:29:16 <cart_man> s73v3r: Do you know how I can force my app to use a standard app as an Intent instead of making it ask the user which app to run the command with?
Dec 10 21:29:57 <cart_man> s73v3r: I have a button that sends a string to in external app...But it keeps on asking the user which external app to use.. I want it to not ask and just use the one I have chosen
Dec 10 21:30:11 <s73v3r> check the intent documentation, but i believe you can specify the package of the app
Dec 10 21:30:30 <s73v3r> although why restrict your users in this way?
Dec 10 21:33:37 <cart_man> s73v3r: Because I want to make it easier on them and also...if they choose the wrong thing then they could potentially get stuck in that mode rendering my app useless
Dec 10 21:36:11 <g00s> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2015/12/android-studio-20-preview-android.html
Dec 10 21:36:13 <s73v3r> presumably the other app would have some kind of URI scheme or something like that which would make it easy to open
Dec 10 21:36:52 <cart_man> what is this IRU map that you are talking about?
Dec 10 21:37:17 <cart_man> URI``
Dec 10 21:39:38 <s73v3r> URI
Dec 10 21:39:45 <s73v3r> it’s like a URL
Dec 10 21:50:27 <g00s> so is it just the new emus that have improved adb protocol ?
Dec 10 21:51:22 <s73v3r> i guess
Dec 10 21:51:45 <Mavrik> oh yisss
Dec 10 21:51:50 <Mavrik> Can finally ditch genymotion.
Dec 10 21:54:00 <explodes_> Retrofit 1.0 threads & Observables. My goal now is to .doOnNext(), after a request, on a different scheduler
Dec 10 21:54:19 <explodes_> Would it require a .share(), or maybe even a Subject that acts as a proxy?
Dec 10 21:54:26 <explodes_> Or am I being too vague right now
Dec 10 21:57:53 <g00s> hehe romain keeps complaining about c++ on twitter :D
Dec 10 21:58:11 * g00s wonders what he's using c++ for
Dec 10 21:58:27 <TacticalJoke> eghdk:  Yeah, it has to be thrown.
Dec 10 21:59:00 <Mavrik> g00s, for anything that's a proper man's job.
Dec 10 21:59:10 <g00s> haha, indeed
Dec 10 21:59:17 <Mavrik> http://images6.alphacoders.com/549/549120.jpg
Dec 10 21:59:55 <g00s> Mavrik who is that guy (i missed the reference)
Dec 10 22:00:35 <Criten> Hey guys! How can i view what 64 bit deps i have in an application? I'm havign trouble building for a newer 64-bit phone
Dec 10 22:03:24 <eghdk> How do I gradlew assemble only one module? I have an app module and lib module. I'd like to only assemble the lib module.
Dec 10 22:06:20 <_genuser_> alright, I guess this phone is messing up
Dec 10 22:06:49 <_genuser_> or maybe it's just connecting as a media device.
Dec 10 22:07:02 <_genuser_> ohh, wait! I factory reset it. maybe the usb debug option is off.
Dec 10 22:07:05 <kjeldahl> New Android emulator from Google rocks! Supports hires/retina resolutions finally, multi-core and a lot faster.
Dec 10 22:07:26 <kjeldahl> http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/emulator
Dec 10 22:07:27 <_genuser_> kjeldahl: new emulator, I'm hearing a lot about it. is this just the emulator in AS 1.5.1?
Dec 10 22:08:26 <kjeldahl> No. You need canary release of AS and preview of sdk tools. And updates of most of the SDK/image things.
Dec 10 22:08:46 <_genuser_> ok, I guess I'll just have to wait for it to be stable.
Dec 10 22:08:51 <_genuser_> kjeldahl: are you on canary 2.0 AS?
Dec 10 22:09:00 <kjeldahl> I am now, yes.
Dec 10 22:09:07 <g00s> kjeldahl does it run inside emacs ? :P
Dec 10 22:09:14 <_genuser_> is it pretty stable? enough to use?
Dec 10 22:09:15 <kjeldahl> But don't use it for coding.. g00s yeah!
Dec 10 22:09:16 <_genuser_> g00s: lol.
Dec 10 22:10:11 <kjeldahl> I can't vouch for stability, but it swalled my React Native (boo, I know) app with fancy native animations and transitions, looking just like running on devices.
Dec 10 22:10:40 <kjeldahl> A lot better than the old one. And FULL retina resolution on my macs.
Dec 10 22:10:46 <kjeldahl> Looks beatiful.
Dec 10 22:10:46 <g00s> kjeldahl have you looked at google's dart/flutter stuff ?
Dec 10 22:10:49 <TacticalJoke> Is the new emulator much faster?
Dec 10 22:11:03 <kjeldahl> g00s: Nope.
Dec 10 22:11:11 <TacticalJoke> Oh, sorry.
Dec 10 22:11:14 <g00s> does it need haxm ?
Dec 10 22:11:17 <TacticalJoke> You said "a lot faster".  Somehow I missed that.  :D
Dec 10 22:11:21 <kjeldahl> TacticalJoke: From a one minute test, I'd say yes, but it's a really small sample!
Dec 10 22:11:47 <s73v3r> you can only use the new emulator if you’re using AS 2.0, right?
Dec 10 22:11:50 <kjeldahl> g00s: Don't know, but if you want it fast, then yes.
Dec 10 22:12:14 <g00s> kjeldahl ah ok, i was hoping it could do without haxm and use vt-x directly or whatever
Dec 10 22:12:23 <g00s> haxm is a pain
Dec 10 22:12:36 <g00s> maybe like geny or vbox does already
Dec 10 22:12:44 <kjeldahl> s73v3r: Looks like it. It shows up in "android avd", but the start button is disabled.
Dec 10 22:13:17 <TacticalJoke> kjeldahl:  Does it take ages to start up?  And does it use loads of RAM?
Dec 10 22:13:22 <Mavrik> ok, new emulator certanly isn't stable
Dec 10 22:13:30 <Mavrik> But it's fast and has google stuff on it.
Dec 10 22:13:33 <Mavrik> So we win I guess.
Dec 10 22:14:23 <kjeldahl> Similar startup time to the old one I guess. Google wrote something about faster adb, but I haven't noticed anything yet.
Dec 10 22:14:43 <TacticalJoke> Oh gawd, takes ages to start here.
Dec 10 22:15:02 <Mavrik> ADB is significantly faster.-
Dec 10 22:15:13 <Mavrik> "adb-sync" for our tests is like 50% of time on geny
Dec 10 22:15:13 <cart_man> TacticalJoke: Hey I have asked this question before tonight but I would like to get some more opinions... the docs are quite huge and I have tried the video/*
Dec 10 22:15:17 * pfn hasn't tried new emulator yet
Dec 10 22:15:22 <pfn> rather test on device
Dec 10 22:15:25 <cart_man> TacticalJoke: Do you know how I can force my app to use a standard app as an Intent instead of making it ask the user which app to run the command with? I have a button that sends a string to in external app...But it keeps on asking the user which external app to use.. I want it to not ask and just use the one I have chosen
Dec 10 22:15:52 <Mavrik> pfn, got devices hooked up for CI?
Dec 10 22:16:08 <pfn> Mavrik, in some cases, yes
Dec 10 22:16:09 <TacticalJoke> cart_man:  What Intent are you sending?
Dec 10 22:16:27 <Mavrik> pfn, mhm, how do you avoid issues with power, usb, adb and them turning off?
Dec 10 22:16:38 <pfn> dunno, someone else setup that infrastructure
Dec 10 22:16:45 <cart_man> I am sending a string to "What I hope for" the Video intent that comes standard with Android
Dec 10 22:17:11 <pfn> but it runs a few hundred cucumber+uiautomator tests across a set of devices
Dec 10 22:20:48 <s73v3r> yay, Cucumber
Dec 10 22:25:05 <drose379> Ok so I run into a little issue every once in a while
Dec 10 22:25:18 <drose379> I have a local variable in a method, starts as null
Dec 10 22:25:34 <Criten>  Hey guys, anyone have any insight on how 64-build android app builds work? Im trying to get my app to have a 64 bit version via android studio.
Dec 10 22:25:45 <pfn> Criten, no such thing
Dec 10 22:25:49 <drose379> Then, I call some loader and the result comes back, and I try to assign the returned value as the local item that is null
Dec 10 22:25:50 <pfn> Criten, doesn't matter, except for ndk
Dec 10 22:25:56 <drose379> But I cant, cause im in an inner class
Dec 10 22:26:08 <drose379> So I set it to final, but that still doesnt work, cause you cant re-assign final
Dec 10 22:26:32 <s73v3r> create a setter
Dec 10 22:26:37 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Use a field.
Dec 10 22:26:40 <Criten> pfn: hmm.. but some built dependencies have 64-bit versions (such as crosswalk)
Dec 10 22:26:50 <drose379> Yeah, I think the only solution is a private field
Dec 10 22:26:57 <eghdk> g00s: "Windows: Intel® processor with support for Intel® VT-x"
Dec 10 22:26:59 <pfn> Criten, yeah, except for ndk
Dec 10 22:27:10 <drose379> Which sucks cause it shouldnt have to be a field
Dec 10 22:29:24 <teasp00n> cart_man: pretty sure intent.setPackage is what you want
Dec 10 22:29:52 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I think RxJava allows you to encapsulate such behaviour in a method, but I've never used it, so I could be way wrong.
Dec 10 22:30:05 <drose379> Thanks TacticalJoke
Dec 10 22:30:11 <drose379> Is there a way to go from bitmap to file?
Dec 10 22:30:13 <TacticalJoke> But without something like that you're dealing with asynchronous behaviour, and there is nothing better than using a field.
Dec 10 22:30:14 <drose379> Im trying to share an image
Dec 10 22:30:39 <TacticalJoke> I think Kotlin is going to have `async`/`await` stuff post-1.0.
Dec 10 22:30:39 <pfn> Criten, if you have the ndk pieces that are 64bit, your app will have 64bit support
Dec 10 22:30:41 <pfn> Criten, that is all
Dec 10 22:31:26 <Criten> pfn: but im assuming if some are 64 bit and some are 32 there will be a problem? we are crashing on newer android devices with 64-bit arm
Dec 10 22:31:44 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  It's probably googleable, but there is Bitmap.compress.
Dec 10 22:31:47 <Criten> some libs*
Dec 10 22:31:54 <drose379> Good call TacticalJoke
Dec 10 22:33:17 <TacticalJoke> I notice that Kotlin recently reserved `yield` as a keyword: https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/commit/434082cadb417c155ff93a384b7b6f3d69822af1 .  Though that could be for something other than asynchronous processing.
Dec 10 22:33:25 <pfn> Criten, what will be a problem, no, it doesn't matter, of course, if your app is shipping only partial 64 and 32bit, then yes, that's a problem, you need to filter out the partial
Dec 10 22:34:00 <TacticalJoke> Maybe it'll be a C#-like `yield`.
Dec 10 22:34:09 <Mavrik> Indeed, you can't mix and match loading different arch libs.
Dec 10 22:34:20 <cart_man> TacticalJoke: Sigh sorry if I disconnect... This connection is very unstable
Dec 10 22:34:24 <Criten> yeah, that's what i thought. how can i tell it to ignore the 64bit libs
Dec 10 22:34:38 <TacticalJoke> cart_man:  I'm not sure of the answer.
Dec 10 22:34:39 <Criten> because they all obviously have a 32 bit version
Dec 10 22:34:56 <Criten> im just using gradle compile('com.foo.xx')
Dec 10 22:35:23 <TacticalJoke> Though, from what I've seen of Android Intents, I have come to the conclusion that it's not always easy or possible to decide exactly which app handles an Intenet.
Dec 10 22:35:25 <TacticalJoke> Intent*
Dec 10 22:36:51 <Mavrik> Criten, there's abiFilters parameter in gradle which will discard archs
Dec 10 22:37:13 <Criten> Mavrik: hmm i do remember seeing that somewhere
Dec 10 22:38:15 <drose379> Is it bad practice to have a nested try/catch
Dec 10 22:39:08 <TacticalJoke> What is the reason for the nesting?
Dec 10 22:39:24 <drose379> May be easier if I just show the code snippet
Dec 10 22:39:29 <drose379> But its for File IO
Dec 10 22:40:09 <drose379> TacticalJoke, http://pastie.org/private/mamj0lchce4ofy2rvoq6dg
Dec 10 22:41:39 <Mavrik> FileNotFound exception is an IOException, so that code is just redundant
Dec 10 22:42:03 <drose379> So I should just change FileNotFoundException to IOException
Dec 10 22:42:25 <drose379> Awesome, thanks Mavrik
Dec 10 22:42:38 <drose379> The beauty of inheritance
Dec 10 22:43:03 <TacticalJoke> `throw new RuntimeException(e);` is also better than `throw new RuntimeException(e.getMessage());`.
Dec 10 22:43:07 <TacticalJoke> You retain more info.
Dec 10 22:43:27 <drose379> Ah, never knew
Dec 10 22:43:36 <drose379> Gonna get rid of that anyway
Dec 10 22:43:43 <drose379> (See comment)
Dec 10 22:43:46 <TacticalJoke> Are you sure you want to throw exceptions here, though?  I generally put stuff like this in the "handle it gracefully" bucket.
Dec 10 22:44:07 <drose379> Im not throwing anything
Dec 10 22:44:23 <drose379> the "new FileOutputStream(f)" is
Dec 10 22:44:29 <drose379> Oh
Dec 10 22:44:30 <drose379> I see
Dec 10 22:44:41 <drose379> Look at the comment right after where I throw
Dec 10 22:44:41 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Is your code catching the RuntimeExceptions?
Dec 10 22:44:57 <drose379> No, look at the TODO:: right after I throw
Dec 10 22:45:11 <drose379> :)
Dec 10 22:47:52 <Nick-S> so when running robolectric on android library project, i dont get the manifest read properly i think, i have a receiver defined there and its not being called on an my broadcast intent
Dec 10 22:48:05 <drose379> TacticalJoke, did you find it
Dec 10 22:49:45 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  In general, I'd still be tempted to display some kind of error message (e.g., "Image could not be loaded") in cases like this.  But it does depend on the context.
Dec 10 22:50:03 <drose379> Yeah im def getting rid of the RuntimeException
Dec 10 22:50:50 <drose379> Whats the deal with having to pass a View to Snackbar.make()
Dec 10 22:51:14 <Nick-S> any clue about this anyone?
Dec 10 22:51:29 <Nick-S> it's like black magic its nearly undocumented
Dec 10 22:51:59 <orbyt_> drose379: To coordinate the animations of things like a fab when the snackbar shows up
Dec 10 22:52:10 <drose379> Ah, kinda figured that after I asked :P
Dec 10 22:52:14 <drose379> Thanks though
Dec 10 23:02:05 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  On a side note, `throw new RuntimeException(e);` is a good temporary testing device.  So many people suppress those exceptions instead, which just hides problems.
Dec 10 23:02:18 <drose379> Right thats why I have them there for testing
Dec 10 23:02:27 <drose379> But, theyre long gone now :)
Dec 10 23:07:00 <pfn> https://youtu.be/eMc2bEUMsvY
Dec 10 23:07:01 <pfn> yuck, heh
Dec 10 23:09:33 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/qicr/commit/1f753d0da87496964ced913aa6dad436fc56c862
Dec 10 23:10:41 <Nick-S> so any clue how to test a receiver on robolectric?
Dec 10 23:12:25 <Schoumi> Hi, i exeperiencing a weird thing with an HttpsUrlConnection. when i getInputStream i have a fileNotFoundException but only with one website and i don't understand why (in chrome on my phone no problem)
Dec 10 23:12:32 <Schoumi> Any Idea?
Dec 10 23:14:14 <bankai_> breakpoint, debug
Dec 10 23:15:02 <Schoumi> bankai_: i know where it happens, i just don't know why i can't getInputStream on this connection only with one site
Dec 10 23:15:46 <Schoumi> it's like it wont connect and don't say it properly
Dec 10 23:16:44 <Criten> Mavrik: so that's deprecated... but you can enable it by passing a flag.. but it doesnt seem to be excluding the 64 bit libs :/
Dec 10 23:17:20 <Criten> anyone know how i can take an extracted apk and re package it as an apk?
Dec 10 23:17:26 <Criten> i want to try manually removing the 64 bit libs
Dec 10 23:23:12 <bankai_> Schoumi: get the error stream
Dec 10 23:23:44 <Schoumi> bankai_: it is empty. no data in there :(
Dec 10 23:24:33 <bankai_> it's possible the server is sending no data, perhaps a redirect or similar that's not being translated properly
Dec 10 23:25:12 <Schoumi> hum you make me think of a debug solution, i'll try
Dec 10 23:25:47 <bankai_> set a breakpoint and look at the object - it's the easiest way
Dec 10 23:34:56 <Schoumi> bankai_: thx anyway, i'll keep searching
Dec 10 23:52:00 <Pyuruku> Hi there, I'm using RX and I have quite a variable amount of observables that I combine with combineLatest, however I'm going over the RxRingBuffer size, which seems to be set at 16 for android
Dec 10 23:52:28 <Pyuruku> What is an acceptable approach to a solution for this? I would very much like to not use combineLatest
Dec 10 23:52:38 <Pyuruku> and I dont think that overriding the system property for the max limit is a good solution
Dec 10 23:53:24 <Pyuruku> the observables im combining emit progress per the download progress of an item
Dec 10 23:53:33 <Pyuruku> and i'm trying to get the overall progress of the entire download
Dec 10 23:53:34 <Criten> Anyone here have any experience with abiFilters for gradle?? it doesnt seem to be doing anything for me.
Dec 11 00:06:48 <Pyuruku> it seems like the object pooling is not something that will go away anytime soon, per https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJava/issues/1908
Dec 11 00:25:11 <zenguy_pc> i have alcatel one touch fierce which i soft bricked by adding two lines to build.prop. the phone has a locked bootloader. no custom recovery is on it. i want to know if it's possible to create a update.zip to sideload from stock recovery with one command : mv /system/build.prop.bak /system/build.prop
Dec 11 00:25:13 <zenguy_pc> ?
Dec 11 00:28:10 <Pyuruku> nvm using Observable.merge instead now
Dec 11 00:32:19 <teasp00n> zenguy_pc: someone here might know, but you might have better luck over at android-root
Dec 11 00:32:55 <zenguy_pc> teasp00n, ok
Dec 11 00:37:33 <liuwenhao> Anyone tried the new Android emulator? It's out today apparently. Wondering if it's better than Genymotion or not
Dec 11 00:44:10 <liuwenhao> Hmm, reading some comments on Reddit looks like it's still pretty buggy.
Dec 11 00:44:43 <liuwenhao> I really hope they get it to the point where it's better than Genymotion. Shouldn't have to rely on a third party tool just to have a decent dev experience
Dec 11 00:55:04 <gordon_> liuwenhao: everyone believes so ;)
Dec 11 00:59:50 <s73v3r> there are plenty of people who believe that dev should be pain, to keep out the “posers"
Dec 11 01:00:33 <drose379> Define a poser s73v3r
Dec 11 01:00:55 <s73v3r> what they would call “not a real developer"
Dec 11 01:01:08 <gordon_> Rails dev :D
Dec 11 01:01:12 <drose379> What makes a developer, not a real developer s73v3r
Dec 11 01:01:15 <liuwenhao> Don't worry, even with a real quality emulator Android dev will still be a huge pain :)
Dec 11 01:01:16 <drose379> Im just wondering really
Dec 11 01:01:26 <liuwenhao> But I want the pain to be in coding, not in the tools
Dec 11 01:01:27 <s73v3r> it’s not my belief
Dec 11 01:01:30 <gordon_> (Joke)
Dec 11 01:01:35 <drose379> Why liuwenhao
Dec 11 01:01:59 <gordon_> Because it should just work
Dec 11 01:02:05 <gordon_> Look at iis
Dec 11 01:02:08 <gordon_> Ios
Dec 11 01:02:18 <drose379> Yeah, I've done some small iOS stuff
Dec 11 01:02:32 <drose379> Not enough to fully understand the language I guess though, so I cant say much
Dec 11 01:02:37 <liuwenhao> @drose379 try writing an Android camera app that supports all devices and you will experience true API/hardware hell
Dec 11 01:02:47 <drose379> Ah, ok
Dec 11 01:03:02 <shadynastys> ya its near impossible.
Dec 11 01:03:23 <liuwenhao> Even Google can't use their own APIs correctly... on Nexus 4 if you are using Android 5.0+ using the camera will force reboot the phone 10% of the time
Dec 11 01:03:39 <pfn> that's a hardware issue
Dec 11 01:03:46 <pfn> not google using their own api correctly
Dec 11 01:03:57 <liuwenhao> pfn, it works fine on 4.4
Dec 11 01:04:02 <pfn> so?
Dec 11 01:04:07 <pfn> doesn't make it any less of a hardware issue
Dec 11 01:04:20 <pfn> hardware/firmware/underlying software
Dec 11 01:04:26 <pfn> has nothing to do with android APIs for that
Dec 11 01:06:39 <liuwenhao> I'm just saying, even Google can't get their own camera to work properly . So trying to do it yourself is hell. Whether or not it's the api that's the problem it's still a big issue for Android developers
Dec 11 01:06:47 <Pyuruku> Anyone here familiar with otto? I'm seeing `MyClass has been invalidated and can no longer handle events`, not sure how its being caused...
Dec 11 01:07:23 <shadynastys> I could never get my camera app to work correctly across all devices. whenever I would get one subset of devices to work it would break another group of devices.
Dec 11 01:08:33 <Pyuruku> I mean, the error is saying that the object is invalidated, and yet it is trying to handle events?...
Dec 11 01:08:40 <shadynastys> that is why I hate the Razr Maxx... it was the worst. It always had issues.
Dec 11 01:13:49 <vigilancer> May about one advice on good resource about View/ViewGroup internals? About tricks on making custom views, etc
Dec 11 01:14:02 <vigilancer> *may anyone
Dec 11 01:20:33 <pepee> what TTS engines does android use by default, and can these be used for commercial purposes for free?
Dec 11 01:31:18 <liuwenhao> I don't know what engine Android uses but the one thats baked into Android APIs you can use for free
Dec 11 01:32:37 <liuwenhao> http://www.javacodegeeks.com/2015/02/android-text-speech-tts.html
Dec 11 01:33:59 <d4rklit3> hi
Dec 11 01:34:30 <d4rklit3> is the only way to send push notifications through your app is to use an existing cloud service? what If I am building my own platform? Is there a way to build a service that is able to send notifications to devices that have my app installed?
Dec 11 01:34:45 <g00s> liuwenhao what google has to fix is the problem with play services on emus
Dec 11 01:35:00 <liuwenhao> You would have to keep a background service running on the phone @d4rklit3
Dec 11 01:35:07 <liuwenhao> If you are implementing your own stack
Dec 11 01:35:28 <liuwenhao> If you use GCM, Google Play Services handles push notifications for you, so you don't have to worry about killing your users battery life
Dec 11 01:35:45 <d4rklit3> we are going to use react-native
Dec 11 01:35:47 <liuwenhao> g00s: They didn't fix it in the new emulator?
Dec 11 01:35:53 <d4rklit3> this is something i am currently researching
Dec 11 01:36:34 <d4rklit3> my assumption is that I'll need to build the service with the java sdk?
Dec 11 01:36:41 <d4rklit3> and then hook it up to the RN code
Dec 11 01:37:18 <d4rklit3> with apple it seems more straigh forward as apple's servers will handle it all for you
Dec 11 01:37:24 <liuwenhao> Your best bet is just integrating with Google Cloud messaging, it works across all platforms. Just have your server push to GCM and GCM push to device
Dec 11 01:37:43 <d4rklit3> im assuming there are GCM libs for ios and android?
Dec 11 01:37:46 <liuwenhao> Yes
Dec 11 01:38:01 <teasp00n> how well do websockets work on android? well or are they a huge pain?
Dec 11 01:38:04 <liuwenhao> GCM is part of Google Play services on Android. Just one dependency to add. No idea about iOS but I know it's on there
Dec 11 01:38:13 <d4rklit3> so then the challenge is integrating it with react-native
Dec 11 01:38:16 <liuwenhao> teasp00n: Use OKHTTP library with websockets. It's not difficult
Dec 11 01:38:33 <teasp00n> liuwenhao: awesome, thanks
Dec 11 01:39:03 <liuwenhao> Well, it may be difficult to get set up, but it's much easier than any alternative
Dec 11 01:39:16 <liuwenhao> I don't know if any other libraries support secure websockets
Dec 11 01:42:23 <g00s> "It appears that the Pixel C was planned as launch hardware for a new, all-touch version of Chrome OS which at some point got canceled—necessitating a switch to Android."
Dec 11 01:42:30 <g00s> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/12/the-pixel-cs-bumpy-road-from-chrome-os-concept-to-android-adoptee/
Dec 11 01:43:58 <g00s> plan b: dual boot android / chromeOs would have been interesting
Dec 11 01:44:25 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Did you read the Reddit AMA?  Seemed kinda disastrous.
Dec 11 01:44:36 <g00s> TacticalJoke link ?
Dec 11 01:44:39 <TacticalJoke> The response was basically "Let us know when multi-window mode comes".
Dec 11 01:44:59 <TacticalJoke> https://redd.it/3w3x7p
Dec 11 01:45:24 <TacticalJoke> The team's response was that multi-window mode is coming in N.
Dec 11 01:45:27 <TacticalJoke> But that could be next year.
Dec 11 01:45:50 <g00s> oh ha, well that would dovetail with the ars story; the device was meant for chromeOs
Dec 11 01:46:11 <liuwenhao> Oh boy. 6.0 has 1% market share and they are talking about N already?
Dec 11 01:46:48 <g00s> i thought it was 0.5%
Dec 11 01:46:53 <TacticalJoke> The AMA was a disaster, IMO.  People's response was "Why would I buy this now?  Multi-window mode is needed".
Dec 11 01:47:18 <s73v3r> it was damage control, but they weren’t allowed to actually say anything
Dec 11 01:47:37 <liuwenhao> The real question is why did they even think that device was a good idea?
Dec 11 01:47:37 <g00s> TacticalJoke honestly, i dont think multi window will help. what will you do, run 2 crappy apps side by side ?
Dec 11 01:48:05 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Yeah, I'm not very hopeful about Android on tablets.
Dec 11 01:48:49 <s73v3r> well, if you’re running two apps side by side, you won’t notice that neither of them is tablet optimized :D
Dec 11 01:49:02 <TacticalJoke> Loads of people complained about the YouTube app sucking on tablets.  And the tablet UI disappearing after ICS (or whenever it was).
Dec 11 01:49:09 <TacticalJoke> I mean the system tablet UI.
Dec 11 01:51:20 <g00s> romain and i got into a debate about this years ago, but i (still) consider a tablet UI closer to laptop than phone. they thought fragments would give us the tools to make tablet apps
Dec 11 01:51:34 <liuwenhao> Oh man. This AMA really is a disaster. They only answered 20 questions? Why not just do a Twitter Q&A if they weren't going to say anything of value at all?
Dec 11 01:51:36 <g00s> its so much more than that, imho
Dec 11 01:52:02 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Was talking with someone yesterday who is very enthusiastic about Android.  He downloads icon packs, custom launchers, etc.  He can't get enough of it.  I'm kinda jealous; why can't I be that crazy about Android?
Dec 11 01:52:17 <TacticalJoke> I think the answer is that I understand how a lot of things work behind the scenes.  It seems like hack upon hack.
Dec 11 01:52:23 <TacticalJoke> It's hard to get excited about such a thing. lol
Dec 11 01:53:20 <liuwenhao> People grow out of it TacticalJoke... I used to be that way about 'ricing' my desktop and phone with a bunch of useless widgets, icon packs, etc. Nowadays I pretty much leave everything at default
Dec 11 01:53:39 <g00s> changing icons and wallpapers and custom roms is /tinkering/. i tinkered a lot with things when i first started in electronics
Dec 11 01:54:05 <g00s> i tinkered with linux too, how many hours futzing with that ....
Dec 11 01:54:10 <drose379> What do you do now g00s
Dec 11 01:54:18 <TacticalJoke> Gawd, yeah.  Spent too much of my life tinkering with Linux.
Dec 11 01:54:24 <g00s> ugh, not i just let the late steve jobs make all my computing decisions
Dec 11 01:54:25 <TacticalJoke> liuwenhao:  A lot of these people are in their 30s.
Dec 11 01:54:25 <drose379> Thats me right now TacticalJoke
Dec 11 01:54:37 <g00s> s/not/now :D
Dec 11 01:54:37 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I was your age at the time.  :D
Dec 11 01:54:46 <drose379> I've told you my age before?
Dec 11 01:54:47 <TacticalJoke> When you're around 18, almost anything can be fascinating.
Dec 11 01:54:49 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Dec 11 01:54:54 <drose379> Ah, I think I remember
Dec 11 01:55:04 <TacticalJoke> At my age (31), I am bored of everything.  Though it may just be me.
Dec 11 01:55:11 <drose379> Even software dev?
Dec 11 01:55:17 <drose379> I thought that was your thing
Dec 11 01:55:43 <g00s> TacticalJoke na, its common - children always fascinated about everything in the world
Dec 11 01:56:01 <g00s> as they grow up they lose that
Dec 11 01:56:25 <liuwenhao> I still love to customize my IDE :) But I could care less about custom ROMs these days
Dec 11 01:56:52 <liuwenhao> There are so many nice plugins for IntelliJ. I just want them all
Dec 11 01:57:04 <g00s> oh the new Clojure one just came out today
Dec 11 01:57:08 <g00s> Cursive
Dec 11 01:57:14 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I still get enjoyment from programming, but I think way less.
Dec 11 01:57:19 <TacticalJoke> I used to be *crazy* about it.
Dec 11 01:57:40 <drose379> TacticalJoke, do you think it could be that you need a new project or something
Dec 11 01:57:50 <drose379> New platform, anything..
Dec 11 01:58:29 <g00s> after reading about my embarrassment of a government (ant science) and their polluting the COP21 talks, i'm having a hard time getting out of bed
Dec 11 01:58:44 <g00s> we're talking about the possible collapse of civilization as we know it before end century
Dec 11 01:59:07 <g00s> as you get older, more important things come into focus
Dec 11 01:59:13 <g00s> do the most good you can do
Dec 11 01:59:32 <liuwenhao> g00s: Let's build a bunker, I will split the cost with you
Dec 11 01:59:48 <arahael> g00s: Or just retreat to a wonderful plot of land.  Grow a tree. Set up a chair.  And sit there and watch the days go past.
Dec 11 01:59:58 <liuwenhao> The surface of earth may be destroyed but underground is always a solution
Dec 11 02:00:03 <g00s> arahael yeah maybe move to canada :D
Dec 11 02:00:04 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Not sure.  I often wonder about this.
Dec 11 02:00:14 <arahael> g00s: Canada? Whats' there?
Dec 11 02:00:22 <drose379> TacticalJoke, are you almoast to a version 1.0 of your reddit client?
Dec 11 02:00:36 <g00s> in Canada, the climate models show less draught probabilities
Dec 11 02:00:42 <g00s> *drought
Dec 11 02:00:58 <TacticalJoke> Not sure.  It's taking me longer than I had anticipated, but real life has been getting in the way a lot.
Dec 11 02:01:12 <drose379> Haha "Real Life" ?
Dec 11 02:01:18 <g00s> TacticalJoke keeps going though because he has grit
Dec 11 02:01:20 <arahael> g00s: I've been living in drought for half my life, it seems. :)
Dec 11 02:01:22 <TacticalJoke> It's my daily driver, and I love it, but I don't want to inflict it upon everyone until I've got an MVP on my hands.
Dec 11 02:01:24 * arahael is in Australia.
Dec 11 02:01:28 <TacticalJoke> lol g00s
Dec 11 02:01:48 <drose379> Interesting TacticalJoke
Dec 11 02:01:54 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I mainly mean work, family, and other drama.
Dec 11 02:01:55 <drose379> Are you a dev for work too?
Dec 11 02:01:59 <g00s> TacticalJoke then you and i are like, her'e my project it took a year - and 99% people can't relate because they never worked on anything for more than a few days
Dec 11 02:02:00 <TacticalJoke> Nah.  I do finance.
Dec 11 02:02:11 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  :D
Dec 11 02:02:24 <drose379> Why not be a developer for work too TacticalJoke
Dec 11 02:02:33 <drose379> Seems like you have the knowledge
Dec 11 02:02:46 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I was mainly a mathematics geek, I guess.
Dec 11 02:02:52 <TacticalJoke> And life choices led me to here.
Dec 11 02:03:01 <drose379> Ok :)
Dec 11 02:03:20 <TacticalJoke> I should say 'nerd'.
Dec 11 02:03:33 <drose379> Is geek offensive now?
Dec 11 02:03:36 <drose379> :P
Dec 11 02:03:38 <TacticalJoke> I think 'geek' is more like Star Wars.
Dec 11 02:03:48 <drose379> Ah ok
Dec 11 02:03:50 <TacticalJoke> I don't see either as negative, personally.
Dec 11 02:03:56 <drose379> Sure
Dec 11 02:04:22 <drose379> In a dilemma
Dec 11 02:04:33 <drose379> I really want to publicly release my app, and I think its ready
Dec 11 02:04:48 <drose379> But then I realized a new feature that would be really cool in it
Dec 11 02:04:56 <drose379> But it would take some time to implement
Dec 11 02:05:10 <drose379> Do I wait and release with the new feature, or release now and add feature in update
Dec 11 02:05:36 <TacticalJoke> I guess it's a tricky decision with many factors.
Dec 11 02:05:47 <TacticalJoke> Many people would advocate releasing ASAP (to get early feedback and so on).
Dec 11 02:05:56 <drose379> Right
Dec 11 02:06:12 <TacticalJoke> Though releasing too early could cost you potential users -- "Oh, it doesn't have Feature X; forget about it".
Dec 11 02:06:30 <drose379> Its not one of those features
Dec 11 02:06:45 <drose379> Its an, oh this app can do this? BONUS
Dec 11 02:06:57 <drose379> Not an "Oh this app CANT do THIS, DELETE"
Dec 11 02:07:15 <TacticalJoke> Are you able to say what the feature is?
Dec 11 02:07:20 <drose379> Sure why not
Dec 11 02:07:25 <drose379> You know what my app is?
Dec 11 02:07:30 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Dec 11 02:07:49 <drose379> Say your looking for a baby Golden Retriver within 10 miles of you
Dec 11 02:07:57 <drose379> But there are no results as of now
Dec 11 02:08:28 <drose379> This feature would allow you to save that request, and the application would search every day for you, and if a result is found, you would get a notification
Dec 11 02:08:39 <TacticalJoke> That's a nice idea.
Dec 11 02:08:46 <TacticalJoke> I think you could probably release without.
Dec 11 02:08:59 <drose379> Something to add in next version?
Dec 11 02:09:17 <drose379> I'll need something to work on after I release it :)
Dec 11 02:09:48 <liuwenhao> Don't worry, people will find bugs you didn't even think were possible. You will have a lot to work on after release no matter what app it is
Dec 11 02:09:59 <drose379> If I get users!
Dec 11 02:10:19 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Are you good at branching in Git?
Dec 11 02:10:31 <drose379> I use git
Dec 11 02:10:38 <drose379> "Good" at using branches, no
Dec 11 02:10:44 <TacticalJoke> Because it's important to be able to work on bug fixing while (in other branches) implementing features.
Dec 11 02:10:45 <drose379> Have I used branching in the past, yes
Dec 11 02:11:01 <drose379> Good point, theres something to learn while waiting for bugs to pour in
Dec 11 02:11:01 <TacticalJoke> You might release, start working on this feature, and suddenly have five bugs to fix.
Dec 11 02:11:08 <drose379> Fun fun :)
Dec 11 02:11:28 <TacticalJoke> It's good to branch often, really.  Blocking other development wastes time.
Dec 11 02:11:40 <drose379> Actually I have a licence question, I bet you guys have experience with this
Dec 11 02:11:41 <TacticalJoke> Even if you haven't released yet.
Dec 11 02:12:09 <drose379> So I'm using an API to get all my data, and I just added a few new social features, users can now share on facebook, instagram, text and MMS
Dec 11 02:12:18 <drose379> I'm hoping this is OK by the API's TOS
Dec 11 02:12:25 <drose379> But they dont really say anything about it in the TOS
Dec 11 02:12:30 <drose379> Its only 1 paragraph
Dec 11 02:12:33 <drose379> Anyone care to read it?
Dec 11 02:14:06 <drose379> Heres a link :http://pastie.org/private/gxna6tcxs43j0jxdwvew
Dec 11 02:17:53 <alex_PP> TacticalJoke, or just don't write bugs ;)
Dec 11 02:18:13 <drose379> sup alex_PP
Dec 11 02:18:17 <alex_PP> hi drose379
Dec 11 02:18:20 <drose379> How are you
Dec 11 02:18:44 <alex_PP> not bad
Dec 11 02:18:57 <alex_PP> still was behind schedule, but that's life
Dec 11 02:18:58 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  What exactly do they share on Facebook/whatever?
Dec 11 02:19:13 <drose379> Small caption, link to the animal on PetFinders website
Dec 11 02:19:28 <drose379> On instagram, just the image
Dec 11 02:19:34 <drose379> Text message, small caption, link
Dec 11 02:20:47 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, as long as you're "[using] the Data Feed as specified herein", I can't see a problem.  But, not being a law expert and not having read the whole document, I can't say for sure.
Dec 11 02:21:19 <drose379> Im just advertising the data really
Dec 11 02:21:25 <drose379> I do have my apps name in the caption
Dec 11 02:21:30 <alex_PP> I think you'll be fine drose379
Dec 11 02:21:33 <drose379> But the link is right to PetFinders website
Dec 11 02:21:34 <drose379> Ok, cool
Dec 11 02:21:46 <alex_PP> as a rule, people like free advertising
Dec 11 02:21:50 <alex_PP> (usually)
Dec 11 02:21:51 <drose379> I bet
Dec 11 02:21:53 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Be careful about using "PetFinders" in your app name, though.
Dec 11 02:22:04 <drose379> Right, none of that in the name
Dec 11 02:22:39 <drose379> Facebook was surprisingly simple to implement
Dec 11 02:24:06 <alex_PP> does facebook support ACTION_SEND yet?
Dec 11 02:24:28 <g00s> TacticalJoke the multi window thing is funny though, when you want to be more productive do you (1) go to your laptop or (2) consider taking two phones and glueing them together (after all, 2 phone apps at the same time must be more productive than  1!)
Dec 11 02:24:31 <drose379> Not sure, it brings up a dialog for me
Dec 11 02:25:22 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Yeah, that's true.  Even on my laptop, I so rarely have windows side by side.
Dec 11 02:25:35 <TacticalJoke> My main productivity thing is Alt+Tab.
Dec 11 02:26:29 <g00s> i guess what i'm saying is - phone apps are designed for quick interactions, and putting multiple apps together designed for quick interactions does not a productivity experience make
Dec 11 02:26:48 <g00s> this does look pretty cool though http://www.jide.com/en/remixos
Dec 11 02:26:50 <alex_PP> I used to have a real aversion to full screen
Dec 11 02:27:00 <alex_PP> but as time goes on I find myself liking it more and more
Dec 11 02:27:15 <alex_PP> suppose it's the influence of phones nad tablets etc
Dec 11 02:27:37 <alex_PP> can't get anything done without 2 screens though
Dec 11 02:27:53 <alex_PP> or virtual desktops
Dec 11 02:29:48 <g00s> ron_frown have you seen remixOS ?
Dec 11 02:29:54 <ron_frown> neg
Dec 11 02:29:59 <ron_frown> url?
Dec 11 02:30:03 <g00s> http://www.jide.com/en/remixos
Dec 11 02:30:24 <g00s> somebody (area dude on internet) said X-googlers that wanted to take android in a different direction
Dec 11 02:30:57 <g00s> which probably means dianne let them have it
Dec 11 02:31:40 <ron_frown> ughh
Dec 11 02:31:54 <ron_frown> honestly looks like they are pushing for android on desktop
Dec 11 02:32:07 <ron_frown> android is the last os I'd run if I wanted somethng solid
Dec 11 02:32:10 <ron_frown> for a desktop
Dec 11 02:32:27 <TacticalJoke> To show static final constants in javap we have to specify `-constants`.  :/
Dec 11 02:33:25 <alex_PP> I imagine it's hard work for javap if they're inlined
Dec 11 02:34:13 <ron_frown> honestly g00s
Dec 11 02:34:30 <ron_frown> it'd be ebtter if they started with chrome and worked the other way around
Dec 11 02:34:35 <ron_frown> sadly
Dec 11 02:35:01 <TacticalJoke> alex_PP:  Hmm, is that even possible?
Dec 11 02:35:03 <ron_frown> wait a sec
Dec 11 02:35:06 <ron_frown> I knwo this
Dec 11 02:35:16 <TacticalJoke> To be clear, I mean "private static final fields".
Dec 11 02:35:46 <ron_frown> everything is just such crap
Dec 11 02:36:02 <ron_frown> like if any of you have messed around in SystemUI
Dec 11 02:36:06 <ron_frown> wo
Dec 11 02:36:07 <ron_frown> wow
Dec 11 02:36:19 <gordon_> hmm
Dec 11 02:36:27 <gordon_> testing rxjava is painful
Dec 11 02:36:32 <ron_frown> haha
Dec 11 02:36:34 <TacticalJoke> It's really refreshing when you stumble upon an exception to the "everything is crap" rule.  I feel like Kotlin is one.
Dec 11 02:36:47 <ron_frown> I actually kinda like the remix hardware, just dont want android
Dec 11 02:36:52 <TacticalJoke> Though it does have to deal with JVM baggage.
Dec 11 02:36:56 <ron_frown> wonder if they have a straight linux variant
Dec 11 02:37:18 <TacticalJoke> And the fact that it also transpiles to JavaScript... ugh.
Dec 11 02:37:27 <ron_frown> TacticalJoke I am saying the structure of SystemUI at least to be really really bad
Dec 11 02:37:29 <TacticalJoke> Though the latter doesn't appear to constrain it much.
Dec 11 02:37:40 <ron_frown> I rememebr patching in ethernet support and modifying how notifications appear etc
Dec 11 02:37:42 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'm just thinking about bad things in general.  :D
Dec 11 02:37:53 <ron_frown> not at all constructed how somone with common sense would do it
Dec 11 02:38:04 <ron_frown> maybe thats to fascilitate multiple form factors and orientation
Dec 11 02:39:40 <pepee> liuwenhao, sorry, I forgot I had asked... thanks
Dec 11 02:43:25 <g00s> "A report carried out by 1010data Ecom Insights Panel divulged that Microsoft is the top-selling tablet maker based on **online** sales in October 2015." -- well, US online sales, but still interesting (unless most people buy their iPads in store)
Dec 11 02:45:02 <alex_PP> TacticalJoke: there'll be some meta data to sort it out, the kind of stuff proguard pulls out
Dec 11 02:45:27 <gordon_> TacticalJoke: thing is, android app are no longer 'small'
Dec 11 02:46:32 <gordon_> offtopic: it might be my imagination, but mac users dont know how to change wallpaper ?
Dec 11 02:46:39 <gordon_> everyone has the same wallpaper
Dec 11 02:47:03 <g00s> gordon_ too funny. actually there isn't much to cusomize on mac, but you can change the wallpaper
Dec 11 02:47:09 <g00s> they even give you a bunch of samples ;D
Dec 11 02:50:07 <ron_frown> I can attest to that gordon_
Dec 11 02:52:43 <teasp00n> gordon_: can confirm, i have default wallpaper on mine :p
Dec 11 02:53:02 <ron_frown> http://puu.sh/lGcvh/1d3f101c1d.png
Dec 11 02:53:09 <ron_frown> its not that image anymore
Dec 11 02:53:12 <ron_frown> but thats my big boy
Dec 11 02:53:18 <ron_frown> I took the other day
Dec 11 02:54:02 <g00s> ron_frown running 4km monitor there
Dec 11 02:54:33 <ron_frown> yep
Dec 11 02:54:36 <ron_frown> 28"
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