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Feb 23 03:00:13 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> you can do task.cancel(true)  and in the doInBackground if the cancel happened you let it fall through so it finishes
Feb 23 03:01:00 <erisco> these tasks https://developer.android.com/guide/components/tasks-and-back-stack.html
Feb 23 03:02:30 <canvs2321> "A task is a collection of activities that users interact with when performing a certain job. The activities are arranged in a stack (the back stack), in the order in which each activity is opened."
Feb 23 03:03:24 <canvs2321> so if you question is how to finish a task, you end your app
Feb 23 03:03:56 <erisco> you can have more than one task in an application
Feb 23 03:04:24 <canvs2321> you can have mutiple activities on the stack of the task
Feb 23 03:11:41 <Len> Hello guys
Feb 23 03:11:59 <Len> Any idea how can I allow secondary user on 5.0.1 to install apk from unknown sources?
Feb 23 03:12:19 <Len> I know that is possible through adb, but with F-Droid as market it's pain
Feb 23 03:15:31 <erisco> and you can have multiple tasks
Feb 23 03:15:37 <erisco> I want to end the task on top
Feb 23 03:21:20 <John_IV_> Imported the Toast framework in Android studio, but it's telling me the makeText() method cannot be resolved?
Feb 23 03:21:24 <John_IV_> Anyone know what is going on?
Feb 23 03:22:26 <g00s> import the toast framework ?
Feb 23 03:22:28 <g00s> O.o
Feb 23 03:22:56 <John_IV_> I did lol
Feb 23 03:23:00 <John_IV_> Dunno what's going on
Feb 23 03:25:07 <itvdonsk> Toast framework?
Feb 23 03:25:29 <John_IV_> import android.widget.Toast;
Feb 23 03:25:50 <itvdonsk> Toast
Feb 23 03:26:33 <itvdonsk> Toast.makeText().show();
Feb 23 03:28:05 <John_IV_> The error message says "Cannot resolve symbol 'makeText' "
Feb 23 03:28:30 <John_IV_> I have it set up exactly the same way (AFIAK) in a different project, and it works fine
Feb 23 03:29:21 <canvs2321> what args are you passing
Feb 23 03:29:33 <canvs2321> or pastebin some code
Feb 23 03:30:02 <John_IV_> Toast.makeText(getApplicationContext(), "A random number has been generated!", Toast.LENGTH_LONG).show();
Feb 23 03:31:09 <John_IV_> I can paste all the code if that would be helpful
Feb 23 03:31:10 <canvs2321> are you doing this in an activity?
Feb 23 03:31:16 <John_IV_> Yeah
Feb 23 03:31:34 <canvs2321> in an inner class or in scope of 'this' of your activity class?
Feb 23 03:31:49 <canvs2321> try Toast.makeText(this,....).show; if in scope of your activity
Feb 23 03:32:11 <canvs2321> or makeText(ActivityName.this,....).show();
Feb 23 03:34:02 <John_IV_> I tried the first just now, and it's not happy with it
Feb 23 03:34:14 <John_IV_> What's confusing is in the other project, I can type Toast.makeText()
Feb 23 03:34:14 <canvs2321> are you in an innerclass?
Feb 23 03:34:21 <John_IV_> And it will recognize the method
Feb 23 03:34:23 <canvs2321> pastebin your code
Feb 23 03:34:26 <John_IV_> Ok
Feb 23 03:34:40 <canvs2321> try the ActivityName.this first then pastebin
Feb 23 03:34:51 <canvs2321> where ActivityName is the classname of your activity
Feb 23 03:35:25 <John_IV_> Ok
Feb 23 03:37:15 <John_IV_> http://pastebin.com/uhmDNZgP
Feb 23 03:37:35 <canvs2321> yeah that code is wrong
Feb 23 03:37:56 <canvs2321> put all that stuff in onCreate
Feb 23 03:38:22 <canvs2321> even then you'll have to add logic for the edittext
Feb 23 03:42:08 <John_IV_> Does the code need to be contained within a function?
Feb 23 04:25:24 <KC-45> what are some of the highly recommended android develment books? that you guys have personally used?
Feb 23 04:50:01 <RustyShackleford> these libraries that use annotations heavily are like magic
Feb 23 04:50:08 <RustyShackleford> how the heck does this work?
Feb 23 04:50:58 <gordon_> it's not magic
Feb 23 04:51:02 <gordon_> it just generates code
Feb 23 04:51:56 <gordon_> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.5.0/docs/guide/apt/GettingStarted.html
Feb 23 04:53:33 <RustyShackleford> yeah I noticed there was generated code in the build directory
Feb 23 05:00:41 <freddy57> still banned
Feb 23 05:00:46 <freddy57> fuck
Feb 23 05:00:50 <freddy57> https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=jeff%20dennison%20posts
Feb 23 05:00:55 <freddy57> opps
Feb 23 05:05:19 <gordon_> :)
Feb 23 05:07:07 <freddy57> gordon hey how are ya
Feb 23 05:07:10 <freddy57> ?
Feb 23 05:07:21 <freddy57> anything new
Feb 23 05:07:29 <gordon_> no
Feb 23 05:08:06 <freddy57> cyanogen mod , have you ever tried making one with kitchen?
Feb 23 05:08:40 <freddy57> they built a tether for it which is cool for me!
Feb 23 05:09:18 <freddy57> service tethering im trying to figure out how they are transporting traffic though
Feb 23 05:09:56 <freddy57> i just wann know how att figures my shit out everytime i tether !
Feb 23 05:57:03 <gordon_> why facebook sdk suck so much
Feb 23 05:57:08 <gordon_> *sucks
Feb 23 06:09:04 <loke> gordon_: Why do you care about facebook in the first place? All of it sucks.
Feb 23 06:09:25 <gordon_> facebook login..
Feb 23 06:20:00 <lut4rp> Facebook and Google login are in a constant competition to see which one can suck more
Feb 23 06:22:55 <g00s> i was reading about those Fb drones that move to where people are lol
Feb 23 06:24:11 <RustyShackleford> I'm looking at dagger examples
Feb 23 06:24:25 <RustyShackleford> what is Component exactly?
Feb 23 06:25:16 <RustyShackleford> these examples sorta make sense. They also leave my head spinning
Feb 23 06:25:33 <RustyShackleford> i'm not getting the metaphor here
Feb 23 06:46:23 <gordon_> RustyShackleford: not only yours ;
Feb 23 06:46:25 <gordon_> )
Feb 23 06:46:27 <gordon_> ;)
Feb 23 06:46:38 <gordon_> component is what will be generated by dagger
Feb 23 06:47:26 <gordon_> lut4rp: dont know about google one, but facebook.. dman
Feb 23 06:47:28 <gordon_> *damn
Feb 23 06:47:51 <gordon_> always, when someone tell me to do something with facebook library
Feb 23 06:47:53 <gordon_> it sucks
Feb 23 06:48:00 <RustyShackleford> gordon_: its too late for this
Feb 23 06:48:09 <RustyShackleford> i'll try again tomorrow hah
Feb 23 06:48:35 <gordon_> dagger has some boilerplate
Feb 23 06:49:15 <RustyShackleford> but I'm still not getting the jobs of Module/Component
Feb 23 06:49:38 <RustyShackleford> and there are some empty interfaces that do something, apparantly
Feb 23 06:49:46 <gordon_> no
Feb 23 06:49:49 <gordon_> notthing is empty
Feb 23 06:49:54 <gordon_> *nothing
Feb 23 06:50:08 <RustyShackleford> @Scope
Feb 23 06:50:08 <RustyShackleford> @Retention(RetentionPolicy.RUNTIME)
Feb 23 06:50:08 <RustyShackleford> public @interface PerActivity {
Feb 23 06:50:11 <RustyShackleford> }
Feb 23 06:50:14 <RustyShackleford> magic
Feb 23 06:50:47 <gordon_> Component exposes what you want to 'give/produce' and Modules are places where you're creating those things
Feb 23 06:51:06 <gordon_> and that what you pasted, is not Component or Module
Feb 23 06:51:14 <gordon_> it's lifecycle scope
Feb 23 06:51:21 <RustyShackleford> component is where you expose your API then, sorta?
Feb 23 06:51:30 <gordon_> so you module will be created per Activity
Feb 23 06:51:47 <gordon_> if you annotate it with the @PerActivity
Feb 23 06:52:15 <gordon_> RustyShackleford: yes, you can call it that. and it's the place when you specify class you want to inject into
Feb 23 06:52:31 <gordon_> so there will be method void inject(MainActivity activiy);
Feb 23 06:52:41 <gordon_> also
Feb 23 06:53:14 <gordon_> you will probably end up with PerApp and PerActivity scopes
Feb 23 06:53:41 <RustyShackleford> right. I'm studying android-boilerplate right now
Feb 23 06:54:13 <RustyShackleford> is there a dev summit video on dagger?
Feb 23 06:54:20 <gordon_> hmm
Feb 23 06:54:25 <gordon_> there is some on youtube
Feb 23 06:54:37 <gordon_> *there are
Feb 23 06:55:17 <gordon_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4iEmWuSB8
Feb 23 06:55:19 <gordon_> maybe this
Feb 23 06:55:25 <RustyShackleford> like its sorta obvious that something called @PerActivity would correspond to each activity
Feb 23 06:55:38 <RustyShackleford> I can't figure out how it all links together though
Feb 23 06:56:03 <RustyShackleford> oh awesome thanks
Feb 23 06:56:09 <gordon_> it's not that hard
Feb 23 06:56:23 <gordon_> you can ask me if you have some problem
Feb 23 06:56:33 <gordon_> I'm here most of the time :P
Feb 23 06:56:58 <RustyShackleford> well I'm in Chicago CST
Feb 23 06:57:09 <RustyShackleford> I think I see you when I'm already sleepy lol
Feb 23 06:57:21 <gordon_> biggest problem with dagger is that you have to write those components and modules..
Feb 23 06:57:43 <gordon_> and that boilerplate sucks my soul into the void
Feb 23 06:58:06 <RustyShackleford> is it that much easier than using dependency injection manually?
Feb 23 06:58:20 <gordon_> no
Feb 23 06:58:22 <gordon_> :D
Feb 23 06:58:25 <RustyShackleford> lol Jake Warton say yes earlier
Feb 23 06:58:31 <RustyShackleford> but of course he would say that
Feb 23 06:58:46 <gordon_> well, for simple thing - it might be easier
Feb 23 06:58:53 <gordon_> but dagger will pays off later
Feb 23 07:00:24 <lut4rp> I'm working on a project with dagger2 and it is still making my head spin. Still trying to wrap my head around it.
Feb 23 07:01:02 <RustyShackleford> okay its not just me hah
Feb 23 07:01:08 <RustyShackleford> seems useful if you can figure it out
Feb 23 07:01:31 <lut4rp> It is pretty useful because I can see how well separated and modularized this code base is
Feb 23 07:01:44 <RustyShackleford> thats mainly why I want to try it
Feb 23 07:01:57 <RustyShackleford> I saw android-boilerplate and its beautiful
Feb 23 07:02:12 <RustyShackleford> it also hits the dex limit while also doing nothing at all
Feb 23 07:02:14 <gordon_> what's android-boilerplate ;P
Feb 23 07:02:35 <RustyShackleford> https://github.com/ribot/android-boilerplate
Feb 23 07:02:58 <RustyShackleford> its like a template for building an app using MVP
Feb 23 07:03:04 <gordon_> looks nice
Feb 23 07:03:17 <gordon_> dont know why they need otto when they're using rxjava
Feb 23 07:03:50 <RustyShackleford> I was wondering that too. I don't think its used
Feb 23 07:03:59 <RustyShackleford> Android studio tells me its not
Feb 23 07:04:54 <RustyShackleford> it looks like it would be used in the Event Bus part of that flow diagram
Feb 23 07:05:45 <g00s> RustyShackleford sounds like you're piling on the lard https://sandofsky.com/blog/third-party-libraries.html
Feb 23 07:06:10 <g00s> see 2nd point "Don’t stress out over boilerplate."
Feb 23 07:08:54 <RustyShackleford> I'm definitely going to strip some things out
Feb 23 07:08:59 <g00s> master one thing before adding another
Feb 23 07:09:05 <RustyShackleford> there is way too much magic going on
Feb 23 07:09:11 <gordon_> g00s: well, it's more about reftoring everything to one class
Feb 23 07:09:18 <gordon_> that usign 3rd party tools
Feb 23 07:09:38 <gordon_> it's not magic
Feb 23 07:09:48 <gordon_> or you havent used ruby on rails
Feb 23 07:09:51 <gordon_> :D
Feb 23 07:09:58 <RustyShackleford> i've done a bit of that
Feb 23 07:10:08 <RustyShackleford> did pretty well for not actually knowing ruby
Feb 23 07:10:26 <gordon_> and active record is not magic ?
Feb 23 07:10:29 <RustyShackleford> like i'd have to look up the hello world
Feb 23 07:10:30 <gordon_> with dynamic methods ? :D
Feb 23 07:37:58 <pfn> ugh, plain dialogs don't support positive/negative buttons? wtf is the point of putting the constants in the dialoginterface if the only one that uses them is alertdialog...
Feb 23 07:40:01 <pfn> and of course, alertdialog eats shit if you don't setview before creating
Feb 23 07:40:11 <pfn> at least if using alertdialog.builder
Feb 23 07:44:19 <gordon_> I think there's ok, cancel dialog
Feb 23 07:44:46 <gordon_> damn
Feb 23 07:44:53 <gordon_> too much state in app
Feb 23 08:01:47 <orbyt_> asked this awhile ago but didnt get an answer: When packaging by feature, do you still keep things like your Retrofit interfaces in a seperate "api" package? Or do you put the relevant api parts for that feature along with the rest of the features files?
Feb 23 08:02:30 <gordon_> depends on you ?
Feb 23 08:02:53 <gordon_> eh
Feb 23 08:02:59 <gordon_> state is the source of evil
Feb 23 08:28:44 <suhas_sm> Hi
Feb 23 08:28:55 <suhas_sm> Any good open data for movie db around ?
Feb 23 08:29:35 <suhas_sm> Rotten tomatoes dosen't access to apis upon registration any more
Feb 23 08:40:12 <orbyt_> doesnt imdb have an api?
Feb 23 08:41:53 <orbyt_> maybe not
Feb 23 08:45:52 <gordon_> crawl :D
Feb 23 08:46:21 <orbyt_> why theres tons of movie db's
Feb 23 08:46:55 <gordon_> i guess so
Feb 23 08:56:57 <jvrodrigues> imdb has an api im pretty sure
Feb 23 08:57:08 <jvrodrigues> either that or every movie themed website has a crawler
Feb 23 09:32:09 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, you need to make some sort of agreement with imdb before you're allowed to use it though
Feb 23 09:42:46 <jvrodrigues> well why doesnt he make an agreement with them then?
Feb 23 09:52:56 <jvrodrigues> they are usually very laid back about it
Feb 23 09:53:04 <jvrodrigues> though it sometimes means you need to bullshit a bit
Feb 23 09:57:37 <yots> hi, I'm trying to create a file observer for watching file creations on external storage. I couldn't find any documentation as to what permissions do I need for that though
Feb 23 09:57:58 <yots> (obviously, It's not working at all atm)
Feb 23 10:11:30 <WantToCode> In a entities list->entity detail structure, how do you transmit back the changes made in the detail view to the list view. Do I send back the detail object back and replace the list view item? For eg: Open a post on reddit, upvote it in the detail view, go back to list view and post should be upvoted.
Feb 23 10:15:49 <jvrodrigues> well
Feb 23 10:15:54 <jvrodrigues> if its the same instance of the object
Feb 23 10:16:02 <jvrodrigues> you dont need to do much
Feb 23 10:19:39 <WantToCode> Its not the same instance. I convert to json and send to DetailActivity
Feb 23 10:27:58 <JanusJanus> Hey Hey
Feb 23 10:28:57 <JanusJanus> Anyone free that could help me with a small problem building a basic app ?
Feb 23 10:30:10 <Zharf> ask your question(s) and wait patiently for an answer :)
Feb 23 10:30:13 <Zharf> someone might pick it up
Feb 23 10:30:16 <jvrodrigues> not exactly free, but shoot
Feb 23 10:30:45 <jvrodrigues> WantToCode: then use the object instance in the listview
Feb 23 10:31:54 <JanusJanus> well i didnt get that much of help on stackoverflow, still trying to keep up with them ...
Feb 23 10:32:02 <JanusJanus> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35548924/csv-to-listview-issue?noredirect=1#comment58830545_35548924
Feb 23 10:32:15 <JanusJanus> well basically i am having problem with a ListView
Feb 23 10:32:34 <JanusJanus> trying to feed the ListView from a .CSV file but no response from the app
Feb 23 10:33:17 <JanusJanus> not sure exactly what is wrong, since no error coming up
Feb 23 10:35:46 <jvrodrigues> how big is the csv file?
Feb 23 10:36:30 <JanusJanus> 254 bytes
Feb 23 10:36:57 <JanusJanus> it consist of few entries which are mentioned in the post ...
Feb 23 10:37:16 <JanusJanus> not sure if the construction of the entries not matching the conditoin in the loop or ... ?
Feb 23 10:38:30 <Zharf> put a breakpoint in the loadarrayfromfile and make sure it's raed properly
Feb 23 10:39:15 <JanusJanus> hmmm, what do you mean exactly by a breakpoint ?
Feb 23 10:40:55 <Zharf> do you know how to use the debugger in your IDE? :)
Feb 23 10:41:44 <jvrodrigues> or add logs
Feb 23 10:41:51 <jvrodrigues> to see if the loop is infinite
Feb 23 10:42:02 <jvrodrigues> which shouldnt be
Feb 23 10:42:05 <Zharf> you should learn how to use the debugger though
Feb 23 10:42:18 <Zharf> at least basic breakpoints and stepping through code
Feb 23 10:42:26 <JanusJanus> yeah just remembered how to do that ....
Feb 23 10:42:57 <JanusJanus> well, ill check the debuger , but lost you there for a min. what did you mean by a proper breakpoint at the loadfromfile ?
Feb 23 10:44:15 <Zharf> I mean that you should step through the code in loadarrayfromfile starting from a breakpoint and make sure that it works as intended
Feb 23 10:44:21 <jvrodrigues> I cant see where you are calling loadArrayFromFile
Feb 23 10:44:41 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, csvadapter ctor
Feb 23 10:46:02 <jvrodrigues> found ity
Feb 23 10:47:12 <JanusJanus> your asking me if i found it ? found what .. am still waiting for the debugger
Feb 23 10:48:46 <Zharf> the getView is all sorts of fucked up though
Feb 23 10:48:49 <tx> Hey guys, I bring up the keyboard for input inside a dialogfragment
Feb 23 10:49:04 <tx> how can I make it so that the keyboard appearing doesn't change the size of the dialog?
Feb 23 10:50:08 <JanusJanus> is it ?
Feb 23 10:50:44 <JanusJanus> nothing on the debugger, i choose debugger and specified the the method loadArrayFromFile
Feb 23 10:50:48 <JanusJanus> no out come ...
Feb 23 10:51:06 <JanusJanus> i guess i did not call the method to be excuted ?
Feb 23 10:53:47 <Zharf> you're probably failing at using the debugger correctly, the method is called when the activity is created
Feb 23 10:54:36 <JanusJanus> probably ...
Feb 23 10:56:44 <jvrodrigues> add logs
Feb 23 10:57:21 <Zharf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5PXWnKtQ4
Feb 23 10:58:19 <JanusJanus> lol watching it already
Feb 23 10:59:02 <bolovanos> hithere
Feb 23 11:05:03 <JanusJanus> well at the debugger screen i get this : eglSurfaceAttrib not implemented
Feb 23 11:05:30 <JanusJanus> 02-23 06:04:24.952 7610-7610/net.testerapp.loger W/EGL_emulation: eglSurfaceAttrib not implemented
Feb 23 11:05:36 <Zharf> don't worry about those
Feb 23 11:05:40 <Zharf> not related
Feb 23 11:07:35 <cart_man> Hey my Emulator seems to be corrupt.. it does not start up anymore . Is this a common problem?
Feb 23 11:07:40 <JanusJanus> http://postimg.org/image/8faqbxn0f/
Feb 23 11:08:41 <yots> hi, I'll try again. What permissions do I need for FileObserver to observe external storage? It doesn't seem to work at all for me.
Feb 23 11:09:21 <Zharf> probably just READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE
Feb 23 11:09:38 <Zharf> that's what I'm using in xmms2 anyway
Feb 23 11:09:46 <abuahmed> Hey guys.. I was wondering if it is possible to combine custom suggested search with recent search
Feb 23 11:09:52 <abuahmed> in searchbar
Feb 23 11:10:00 <yots> well it does. This is what I have and I never reach onEvent: http://pastebin.com/8wsiPzfh
Feb 23 11:10:04 <tx> use a cursor adapter
Feb 23 11:10:12 <tx> save past searches in prefs (JSON) or list
Feb 23 11:10:18 <linuxuz3r> hi
Feb 23 11:10:25 <tx> append cursor adapter to whatever else you get your results from
Feb 23 11:10:45 <Zharf> yots, what are you doing to try to trigger it?
Feb 23 11:11:10 <yots> I tried to manually create some files in the root directory of the external storage (/emulated/0)
Feb 23 11:11:57 <abuahmed> tx, that what I thought of at first, but since I'm still new to android dev I thought there are a more obvious way
Feb 23 11:12:02 <abuahmed> Thanks
Feb 23 11:12:18 <Zharf> yots, are you sure that's the same directory
Feb 23 11:12:46 <yots> Zharf: pretty sure, I watched what the method call returned
Feb 23 11:13:32 <yots> I'm creating the file using adb shell and 'touch', is there a better way?
Feb 23 11:15:00 <Zharf> I'm not sure if inotify triggers on just touching files
Feb 23 11:15:30 <yots> It was a new file though, so CREATE should have been I guess
Feb 23 11:16:11 <yots> I was more suspicious of me creating it as a root (emulator shell)
Feb 23 11:16:45 <yots> I'm new to Android but not Linux, so excuse my ignorance
Feb 23 11:20:45 <Zharf> on my device the directory doesn't seem to exist
Feb 23 11:20:56 <yots> that was meant to be /storage/emulated/0
Feb 23 11:21:17 <Zharf> yes, I ran your code and checked what it gave me
Feb 23 11:21:23 <Zharf> the directory doesn't actually exist
Feb 23 11:22:20 <Zharf> though it's device specific but it's still curious that it would returns a directory that doesn't exist
Feb 23 11:24:25 <danijoo> yots, possibly relevant: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=189231
Feb 23 11:24:44 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> hmm
Feb 23 11:27:10 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> anyone have an android podcast and/or blog that's good?  Been listening to android developer backstage and been loving it.
Feb 23 11:27:37 <csst0111> Ping_2_Ur_Pong, Fragmented and Context
Feb 23 11:28:04 <danijoo> Ping_2_Ur_Pong, Fragmented
Feb 23 11:29:42 <Zharf> danijoo, interesting (though I doubt not actually related if running it on my device is any indication)... I copied fileobserver code from android and modified it in my project because it was lacking features that inotify provides... I wonder if that bug is in my code too, I should test it
Feb 23 11:30:53 * Ping_2_Ur_Pong bows
Feb 23 11:31:15 <kevdroid> I have a webview acting very different than chrome browser itself, specifically with tracking finger movement. In the browser, this works fine and I can use JS to track finger position live and send coords over peer js, but in the webview, it only sends position when I let go of the screen
Feb 23 11:31:55 <kevdroid> any experience with this issue?
Feb 23 11:34:06 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> kevdroid: not sure, but are you overwriting webchromeclient or just standard webview?
Feb 23 11:34:17 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> overriding*
Feb 23 11:35:16 <kevdroid> Ping_2_Ur_Pong: using webchromeclient, enabling javascript, and all that jazz. No luck searching for the answer either
Feb 23 11:36:30 <kevdroid> I know after KitKat, chromewebview support works nicely, but this is my only issue. Is it acceptable to post a codeshare link here? I can show my webview settings if that helps
Feb 23 11:36:34 <Zharf> yots, there's something wrong, my own FileObserver works fine when yours fails for some reason
Feb 23 11:39:22 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> kevdroid: ya post the link to your code hard to debug an issue without code.  Take a look at http://android-er.blogspot.com/2014/05/android-webview-detect-touch-events.html it might give you a little help debugging.
Feb 23 11:39:29 <justJanne> Is there a simple way to set a time limit for a runnable submitted to an executorservice
Feb 23 11:39:38 <justJanne> ?
Feb 23 11:40:25 <justJanne> I'd end up just posting a second runnable to a second service which just waits for a specific time and then kills the first runnable, but that'd be not so ideal.
Feb 23 11:40:45 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> justJanne: just add ,<time>, TimeUnit.Milliseconds); to the end of your schedule
Feb 23 11:41:16 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> executor.schedule*
Feb 23 11:42:24 <justJanne> That allows me only to set a delay,
Feb 23 11:42:29 <justJanne> Not a maximum runtime.
Feb 23 11:42:42 <justJanne> I'd have to use still two executorservices.
Feb 23 11:43:09 <kevdroid> Ping_2_UR_Pong: https://codeshare.io/zajX2 --removed the unnecessary fluff, also that was a link I was checking out before
Feb 23 11:43:28 <linuxuz3r> what is an equivalent of a drop down list in android
Feb 23 11:44:32 <danijoo> linuxuz3r, spinner?
Feb 23 11:44:57 <kevdroid> linuxuz3r: definitely "spinner"
Feb 23 11:45:33 <justJanne> Or a pop-up menu.
Feb 23 11:45:46 <justJanne> But that's only if you don't want to select things, but actions.
Feb 23 11:47:27 <Zharf> yots, eh, never mind, I forgot the stupid READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission from my test app
Feb 23 11:48:30 <Zharf> yots, the only problem I see that Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() is returning a directory that doesn't exist on my device
Feb 23 11:48:40 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> justJanne: get the time that your service is started and then check again each time it is run, if the time is longer than how long you want cancel it.
Feb 23 11:49:15 <justJanne> Ping_2_Ur_Pong: that's (a) not possible for this use case, and (b) a horrible idea.
Feb 23 11:49:25 <justJanne> I'll go with scheduled cancel things then, I guess.
Feb 23 11:49:25 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> y?
Feb 23 11:49:46 <Zharf> yots, apparently the path exists for your process, so you can't actually access that with adb shell
Feb 23 11:50:03 <Zharf> yots, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27710093/environment-getexternalstoragedirectory-shows-path-which-doesnt-even-exist
Feb 23 11:50:14 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> particularly interested in the horrible idea part.
Feb 23 11:51:11 <justJanne> Okay, the situation is like this: you submit many completely different tasks to an executorservice, none of these tasks know anything about the other tasks, each task is only run once, the executor service uses multiple threads.
Feb 23 11:51:46 <justJanne> Your idea doesn't work at all in that situation.
Feb 23 11:52:38 <justJanne> (Runnables can be "parse this huge blob of binary data", or "decompress this piece of data", or "convert this JSON to objects")
Feb 23 11:52:55 <justJanne> When they take longer than, say, 2sec, they shall be terminates
Feb 23 11:52:59 <justJanne> *terminated.
Feb 23 11:52:59 <linuxuz3r> x
Feb 23 11:53:03 <linuxuz3r> xD
Feb 23 11:54:15 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> Each runnable would be on its own thread.  Why could you not keep track of the time it started and then cancel it after x time?
Feb 23 11:54:38 <Zharf> justJanne, you'd probably need to write your own boilerplate, there's no automatically timeouting threads as far as I know
Feb 23 11:55:07 <Zharf> for every thread you'll need to define an end condition anyway which the logic needs to notice and stop
Feb 23 11:55:09 <linuxuz3r> what type is inside a spinner entry?
Feb 23 11:55:21 <Zharf> you can't just stop execution at arbitrary points
Feb 23 11:55:35 <justJanne> Zharf: not every inside its own thread — it's a fixed thread pool executor service.
Feb 23 11:55:36 <Zharf> linuxuz3r, spinner works like a listview
Feb 23 11:55:55 <Zharf> justJanne, sure but the threads in there only do runnable.run()
Feb 23 11:55:58 <justJanne> Stopping execution at arbitrary points is exactly what is needed, though.
Feb 23 11:56:09 <Zharf> justJanne, the runnable needs to know when the thread is supposed to timeout
Feb 23 11:56:26 <justJanne> Well, there used to be a way to throw an exception into a thread.
Feb 23 11:56:42 <justJanne> So it'd immediately stop execution, unless catches.
Feb 23 11:56:49 <justJanne> *catched
Feb 23 11:56:50 <Zharf> only thing you can hope for is to interrupt the thread and hope that something throws an interruptedexception
Feb 23 11:57:03 <justJanne> Yes, that's what should happen.
Feb 23 11:57:15 <Zharf> but some threads never hit a point that throws an interruptedexception
Feb 23 11:57:20 <justJanne> And then on the higher levels it'd just skip the runnable.
Feb 23 11:57:28 <Zharf> because the code needs to check Thread.isInterrupted
Feb 23 11:57:51 <justJanne> If this is really so urgh, I'll just use separate processes and terminate them directly.
Feb 23 11:58:06 <justJanne> I can do `kill -9 PID`, right?
Feb 23 11:58:44 <kevdroid> Ping_2_Ur_Pong: any ideas by chance?
Feb 23 11:58:57 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> sorry kevdroid been looking at something else, one moment.
Feb 23 11:59:01 <Zharf> justJanne, I've never done that on android but in theory, sure
Feb 23 11:59:05 <kevdroid> np
Feb 23 11:59:39 <justJanne> Or I'll just let the user wait the 10 years it takes to decompress that thing and eat battery.
Feb 23 11:59:47 <justJanne> That's another solution.
Feb 23 11:59:49 <Zharf> :)
Feb 23 12:04:26 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> kevdroid: seem similar https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=19827 ?
Feb 23 12:05:53 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> if you look at the last post #76 seems like a possible solution.
Feb 23 12:06:12 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> I don't notice anything wrong with your implementation, you're doing all the normal jazz.
Feb 23 12:06:26 <Zharf> justJanne, there's thread.stop but it was deprecated in like java 1.1 or something and it's reaally freaking unsafe
Feb 23 12:07:19 <Zharf> I'm not sure if android has a security policy in place to prevent it's use
Feb 23 12:11:04 <adq> interrupt?
Feb 23 12:11:06 <Zharf> also I'm not sure what executorservice thinks about that kind of threads
Feb 23 12:11:30 <Zharf> adq, yeah, but supposedly it's not suitable for his usecase
Feb 23 12:12:36 <kevdroid> Ping_2_UR_Pong, interestingly enough, I already preventdefault in the JS for a move event, and as I mentioned it works fine in the browser, which makes me lean toward the issue being more on the webview side of things
Feb 23 12:12:46 <danijoo> I think the ¨best¨ thing you can get on android is Thread.isInterrupted(), which unfortunatly is not enough for things like parsing big binaries..
Feb 23 12:13:57 <Zharf> the problem with these solutions is that you need to check the flag periodically
Feb 23 12:14:05 <danijoo> yes
Feb 23 12:14:19 <adq> why not just setting a startTime in ms, looping with a sleep and checking if the timeout has been reached to interrupt?
Feb 23 12:14:23 <Zharf> it's often good enough but some libraries can run a method for a very long time
Feb 23 12:14:31 <adq> that's extremely cheap
Feb 23 12:14:33 <danijoo> adq, this isnt always possible
Feb 23 12:14:38 <adq> oO
Feb 23 12:14:39 <Zharf> adq, the thread needs to realise that it's been interrupted
Feb 23 12:14:41 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> kevdroid: chrome and webview are really similar.  They use the same js engine.
Feb 23 12:14:45 <Zharf> otherwise it will keep running indefinitely
Feb 23 12:14:49 <danijoo> like if you have a long running method that calls into some code not managed by you
Feb 23 12:14:49 <Zharf> or until it's done
Feb 23 12:15:21 <Zharf> interrupt only sets a flag to the thread that the runnable can check through Thread.interrupted()
Feb 23 12:15:22 <adq> well with a condition on timeout it exits the loop
Feb 23 12:15:47 <Zharf> adq, sure, but consider a library that has a method that runs for a very long time
Feb 23 12:15:54 <Zharf> and it doesn't take this into account
Feb 23 12:15:56 <kevdroid> Ping_2_Ur_Pong, I know thats whats getting me, I am using it to control a computer. In chrome browser, it moves the mouse around when I use my finger, in the webview, if i move nothing happens, but when i let go, the mouse jumps to the position
Feb 23 12:16:01 <Zharf> so it just runs until it's done
Feb 23 12:16:52 <adq> then it's all about how to set up an additional suitable breaking condition
Feb 23 12:17:10 <adq> i still don't see how thread in java would be a big issue, you don't even have to deal with mutex
Feb 23 12:17:15 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> kevdroid: there is a setting that lets you see a trail on touch events turn it on and see what you see.
Feb 23 12:17:47 <kevdroid> Ping_2_ur_pong, no way! I'll check that out for sure
Feb 23 12:18:04 <Zharf> adq, the problem is that you can't stop execution at arbitrary points and if you don't have access to the code that runs for a long time, you're stuck running that code
Feb 23 12:18:06 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> I believe its in developer tools
Feb 23 12:18:39 <adq> Zharf, so make something inside the thread aware of there is no access anymore and boom
Feb 23 12:18:46 <adq> instead of the contrary
Feb 23 12:19:01 <Zharf> I don't find threads problematic but clearly a lot of people do and they fail to write code that allows threads to quit
Feb 23 12:19:05 <kevdroid> if i can find it... :)
Feb 23 12:19:14 <adq> i always favor threads against asynctask and other shit :p
Feb 23 12:19:53 <Zharf> I often write my own threads as well, asynctask has too many problems with it
Feb 23 12:19:56 <adq> the boilerplate is crazy annoying for asynctask, and the post thingy can still run while no uithread anymore.. which requires additional checks
Feb 23 12:21:10 <adq> i mainly use threading in intensive loops with model like producer/consumer otherwise
Feb 23 12:21:25 <adq> and do ease the uithread workload on some other stuff
Feb 23 12:21:32 <adq> and to*
Feb 23 12:28:55 <justJanne> adq: this uses Futures in an executorservice to handle things nicer than asynctask or so,
Feb 23 12:29:32 <justJanne> But I can't write a "if (isInterrupted()) return;" into every single line of every single library function.
Feb 23 12:29:53 <justJanne> The code that runs for parsing is, because it's conditional on the type of blob and so on, overall 40kLOC
Feb 23 12:30:17 <justJanne> Each doing tiny manipulations to the blob and building an object tree out of it.
Feb 23 12:31:43 <Zharf> libraries like that should be built with a stepping process
Feb 23 12:32:14 <Zharf> so you can do while(!Thread.interrupted()) { foo.step(); }
Feb 23 12:35:41 <Chainfire> try { ... } catch (InterruptedException e) { ... } ?
Feb 23 12:35:47 <casadogg> Is there a way to get if the toolbar is hidden using coordinator layout + appbarlayout?
Feb 23 12:38:06 <justJanne> Zharf: it's not really a stepping process.
Feb 23 12:38:16 <justJanne> It's impossible to do so.
Feb 23 12:38:16 <Zharf> Chainfire, you only get interrupted exceptions if something checks Thread.interrupted or something's wait()ing something
Feb 23 12:38:29 <aindriu> I can't seem to download Android Studio. It gets stuck at the last few MB downloading?
Feb 23 12:38:59 <Zharf> Chainfire, I mean checks Thread.interrupted and throws the exception manually
Feb 23 12:39:09 <justJanne> Zharf: I have, in the binary blob, at position 0 an int specifying which type is serialized. Say, a map of string to a map of string to an IRCMessage object.
Feb 23 12:39:25 <justJanne> Map<String, Map<String, IrcMessage>>
Feb 23 12:39:50 <justJanne> so, I run the Map deserializer on that, which splices it into the blobs for the strings, and the inner maps.
Feb 23 12:40:03 <justJanne> Which runs the Map serializer on the inner maps.
Feb 23 12:40:16 <justJanne> Which splices, and runs then the IRCMessage deserializers on those blobs.
Feb 23 12:40:40 <justJanne> It's only possible to implement this either (a) with a stack or (b) with recursion.
Feb 23 12:40:59 <Chainfire> Zharf well, a lot of things do :) then again, whatever code is being discussed here might obviously not
Feb 23 12:41:02 <Zharf> pretty sure you can build a state machine around that
Feb 23 12:41:06 <justJanne> It's impossible to check for isInterrupted in parsing a recursive datastructure.
Feb 23 12:41:25 <justJanne> Yes, Zharf, and make everything ten times more complicated.
Feb 23 12:41:52 <Zharf> if you want more control on it's execution, you need to make compromises
Feb 23 12:42:13 <justJanne> This system can serialize and deserialize every single type existing in Qt, plus a few dozen more.
Feb 23 12:42:37 <justJanne> Building a state machine out of 20kLOC deserialization code is a task of months.
Feb 23 12:43:11 <justJanne> Seriously, why isn't there a way to throw an interruptedexception into the thread, just like Java can throw an OOM exception into it?
Feb 23 12:44:27 <Zharf> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/Thread.html#stop(java.lang.Throwable)
Feb 23 12:44:30 <Zharf> https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/java/THI05-J.+Do+not+use+Thread.stop()+to+terminate+threads
Feb 23 12:45:00 <Zharf> you'll want to understand the repercussions
Feb 23 12:45:27 <Zharf> and I'm not sure if that's disabled in android's security policy...
Feb 23 12:47:03 <Chainfire> isn't there some call that is called often already in the code you can override and do an 'if (isInterrupted()) throw new InterruptedException("buyah");' or something?
Feb 23 12:47:08 <Zharf> personally I'd just avoid it like the plague and rewrite the parser (but then I like writing parsers)
Feb 23 12:47:40 <justJanne> Chainfire: nope. Not a single method really.
Feb 23 12:47:54 <Chainfire> well, no wonder its 40kLOC long, then :P
Feb 23 12:48:09 <justJanne> Well, most of that code is dealing with shit.
Feb 23 12:48:30 <justJanne> Like Qt's datetime serialization is two ints: Julian day and millis since midnight
Feb 23 12:48:36 <justJanne> And then a byte for the timezone.
Feb 23 12:48:40 <jvrodrigues> if the thread is in a loop just add a boolean
Feb 23 12:48:49 <jvrodrigues> but i guess it isnt
Feb 23 12:48:56 <justJanne> That's the thing, there's no loop — it's a recursive style.
Feb 23 12:49:00 <jvrodrigues> yea
Feb 23 12:49:06 <jvrodrigues> well if its recursive
Feb 23 12:49:13 <jvrodrigues> you can still get around with a boolean
Feb 23 12:49:19 <Zharf> throw an exception from the recursive method
Feb 23 12:49:24 <jvrodrigues> if(mStopped) throw exception
Feb 23 12:49:37 <justJanne> Hmm.
Feb 23 12:49:41 <Zharf> if (Thread.interrupted()) throw InterruptedException()
Feb 23 12:49:43 <Zharf> +new
Feb 23 12:49:45 <justJanne> There'd be one possible point to add it,
Feb 23 12:49:53 <justJanne> But that'd be horribly ugly.
Feb 23 12:50:00 <jvrodrigues> "ugly"
Feb 23 12:50:07 <jvrodrigues> I will never understand that
Feb 23 12:50:09 <Zharf> sounds like the whole thing is horribly ugly
Feb 23 12:50:15 <jvrodrigues> ^
Feb 23 12:50:16 <justJanne> In the Enum type's static method to get the type enum from the ordinal.
Feb 23 12:50:27 <justJanne> How?
Feb 23 12:50:34 <justJanne> The code is pretty straightforward.
Feb 23 12:51:07 <justJanne> You read an int, then get the serializer for that type, and give the serializer for the type the rest of the byte buffer.
Feb 23 12:51:50 <Chainfire> seems like as good a point as any
Feb 23 12:52:25 <justJanne> Well, the only point that's executed guaranteed once per task would be in the "get serializer from type int"
Feb 23 12:52:51 <justJanne> The issue is that I believe to have made a mistake somewhere in one of the serializers, leading to long runtimes —
Feb 23 12:52:58 <justJanne> Which is why I'd want to terminate in there.
Feb 23 12:53:18 <justJanne> The only solution I could do is add the checking code into every LOC
Feb 23 12:53:30 <Zharf> justJanne, run a profiler?
Feb 23 12:53:54 <Zharf> does it stop running at any point?
Feb 23 12:54:04 <Zharf> if yes, then run a profiler
Feb 23 12:54:22 <justJanne> Luckily, the whole thing holds only two references, one to a byte buffer, which is held by nothing else, and one to a threadsafe event bus, where it posts the result when it's done.
Feb 23 12:55:14 <jvrodrigues> what are you serializing?
Feb 23 12:55:23 <justJanne> Anything, literally anything.
Feb 23 12:55:44 <justJanne> The system (not my idea) uses a tree of objects that is kept in sync on client and server.
Feb 23 12:55:57 <justJanne> It uses RPC calls to keep them in sync,
Feb 23 12:56:26 <justJanne> And all calls and the initial initdata calls are all serialized in a custom format.
Feb 23 12:56:35 <justJanne> (Either QtDatastream or a custom one)
Feb 23 12:57:25 <jvrodrigues> why are they serialized?
Feb 23 12:57:38 <Zharf> network..
Feb 23 12:57:51 <jvrodrigues> >ah<
Feb 23 12:57:58 <justJanne> In fact, I use it this very second: every message I send is just the RpcCall 2sendMsg(BufferInfo, String) with the BufferInfo object containing the ID, channel name, etc; and the string containing /SAY and then this message.
Feb 23 12:58:03 <Zharf> qdatastream is a terrible thing to use for network serialization, imo :p
Feb 23 12:58:24 <justJanne> Well, Zharf, I can't change it — I have to support the servers ;P
Feb 23 12:58:47 <Zharf> sure I understand
Feb 23 12:58:57 <justJanne> Also QtDatastream over a GZ compressed socket with proper TLS support is actually nice — and transmits less data and serialized faster than protobuf.
Feb 23 12:59:06 <justJanne> *serialized.
Feb 23 12:59:10 <justJanne> *seriakizes.
Feb 23 12:59:19 <jvrodrigues> almos :p
Feb 23 12:59:26 <justJanne> Fucking Google Keyboard doesn't know S E R I A L I Z E S
Feb 23 12:59:37 <jvrodrigues> it knows seriakizes though
Feb 23 13:00:15 <justJanne> Anyway, the point is, the data format supports infinitely nested data.
Feb 23 13:00:34 <justJanne> Supporting that yourself is easiest if you just use a recursive approach.
Feb 23 13:01:31 <Zharf> I have a similar parser but we defined our serialized format from scratch
Feb 23 13:02:52 <justJanne> Well, ours was started by a student around 2005 as a PoC "can I make an irc bouncer where the client/bouncer stuff feels integrated"
Feb 23 13:03:05 <justJanne> And people started using it, so we tacked more and more onto it.
Feb 23 13:03:18 <Zharf> heh
Feb 23 13:03:22 <Zharf> recipe for disaster
Feb 23 13:03:34 <justJanne> Backwards compatibility has been kept with every version since 2009 or somerhing
Feb 23 13:03:44 <justJanne> That's the real recipe for disaster.
Feb 23 13:04:04 <justJanne> On Android I only keep compatibility with 2013+
Feb 23 13:04:16 <justJanne> But that's already an issue.
Feb 23 13:04:22 <Zharf> writing a protocol that supports extensions is the real solution to that, but you'd have to do that from the beginning
Feb 23 13:04:36 <justJanne> Debian oldstable hasn't updated the package, ever.
Feb 23 13:04:48 <justJanne> Well, we have that, luckily.
Feb 23 13:05:28 <justJanne> Client and core can announce that they support additional features, you can list the supported protocols in the handshake (and thereby select a different, newer protocol if both support it),
Feb 23 13:05:53 <justJanne> And any message can contain always more fields than you expected, they'll just be ignored.
Feb 23 13:06:15 <justJanne> This obviously opens many possibilities.
Feb 23 13:07:09 <justJanne> But still, if I can do List<List<List<List<List<List<List<List<String>>>>>>>>
Feb 23 13:07:20 <justJanne> then a recursive parser is the only real solution.
Feb 23 13:07:45 <jvrodrigues> my initial question of "why?" still stands tall and unbeaten
Feb 23 13:07:45 <Zharf> I disagree, but it's the obvious/easiest solution
Feb 23 13:08:21 <Zharf> I wonder if you could write such a deep data structure where a recursive parser would run into StackOverflowError
Feb 23 13:08:57 <justJanne> Yes.
Feb 23 13:09:03 <justJanne> I've tested it xD
Feb 23 13:09:33 <justJanne> jvrodrigues: to support the whole protocol? In 2020, someone might decide to add such a weird nested structure somewhere, for some reason.
Feb 23 13:09:46 <jvrodrigues> arent you losing object information with the recursive list<> thing?
Feb 23 13:10:16 <justJanne> Well, in Java I would.
Feb 23 13:10:17 <Zharf> weeell... there's ways around that
Feb 23 13:10:28 <justJanne> Not in Qt's object model.
Feb 23 13:10:41 <justJanne> That uses List<Qvariant<type>>
Feb 23 13:10:53 <justJanne> Where each object stores its own type information.
Feb 23 13:14:18 <Zharf> frankly it sounds very similar to what I did http://eclipser.xmms2.org/git/java-xmmsclient.git/tree/src/main/java/org/xmms2/eclipser/client/protocol/types/marshalling/Marshaller.java
Feb 23 13:15:07 <justJanne> That's exactly what I wrote.
Feb 23 13:15:12 <Zharf> though our protocol is clearly simpler, but still possible to construct complex structures
Feb 23 13:15:17 <justJanne> Just mine has 255 types, not such few.
Feb 23 13:15:48 <justJanne> And 255 binary types, and another 40 types that are serialized to a Map with the key "MsgType" as type id
Feb 23 13:18:01 <justJanne> https://github.com/justjanne/QuasselDroid-ng/blob/master/app/src/main/java/de/kuschku/libquassel/primitives/QMetaTypeRegistry.java
Feb 23 13:18:06 <justJanne> @ Zharf
Feb 23 13:24:31 <justJanne> And if you look at line 91 here, for example, you see the issue:
Feb 23 13:24:36 <justJanne> https://github.com/justjanne/QuasselDroid-ng/blob/master/app/src/main/java/de/kuschku/libquassel/primitives/serializers/VariantSerializer.java#L91
Feb 23 13:24:56 <Zharf> I thought I wrote large commits
Feb 23 13:24:57 <Zharf> -.-
Feb 23 13:26:21 <Zharf> what does ng mean
Feb 23 13:26:28 <justJanne> Next generation.
Feb 23 13:26:31 <justJanne> It's a rewrite.
Feb 23 13:26:38 <justJanne> The old code was pure spaghetti.
Feb 23 13:26:43 <tx> mom's spaghetti?
Feb 23 13:27:06 <Zharf> our application also has ng in package name and I never figured out what it meant :p
Feb 23 13:27:45 <tx> next-gen, duh
Feb 23 13:27:48 <jvrodrigues> in angular js
Feb 23 13:27:51 <jvrodrigues> ng means angular
Feb 23 13:27:53 <jvrodrigues> :D
Feb 23 13:27:59 <tx> O_o
Feb 23 13:28:01 <tx> why?
Feb 23 13:28:10 <Zharf> tx, it's not obvious, to me at least
Feb 23 13:28:20 <tx> maybe angular is just so cutting edge
Feb 23 13:28:21 <Zharf> and the next time I encounter it I'll probably wonder about it again
Feb 23 13:28:21 <jvrodrigues> dunno
Feb 23 13:28:23 <tx> that it's next-gen
Feb 23 13:28:41 <justJanne> If you want to get fancy, you could even say TNG
Feb 23 13:28:45 <justJanne> The Next Generation.
Feb 23 13:29:02 <tx> Just keep adding buzz words
Feb 23 13:29:05 <jvrodrigues> Ay ay, cptn
Feb 23 13:29:09 <Zharf> that just says "bad star trek" to me
Feb 23 13:29:20 <tx> QuasselDroid-ng-ws-bd-cloud
Feb 23 13:29:27 <tx> web scale, big data
Feb 23 13:29:28 <jvrodrigues> ahaha
Feb 23 13:29:33 <justJanne> As long as you don't name the next-next gen DS9,
Feb 23 13:29:33 <justJanne> Or VOY
Feb 23 13:29:36 <jvrodrigues> QuasselDroid-ng-ws-bd-cloudr.io
Feb 23 13:29:40 <jvrodrigues> ftfy
Feb 23 13:29:48 <Zharf> ha
Feb 23 13:29:53 <tx> TNG > VOY > DS9 > Enterprise > TOS
Feb 23 13:29:55 <tx> always.
Feb 23 13:29:58 <tx> There is no debating this.
Feb 23 13:30:13 <jvrodrigues> thats the show with darth vader yea?
Feb 23 13:30:19 <tx> yeah
Feb 23 13:30:22 <Zharf> tx, possibly, but TNG was trash :p
Feb 23 13:30:30 <tx> So is your mom.
Feb 23 13:30:32 <Zharf> (literally the only star trek I've seen)
Feb 23 13:30:32 <tx> And her spaghetti.
Feb 23 13:30:34 <justJanne> Yes!
Feb 23 13:31:11 <justJanne> TNG>VOY>DS9>ENT>TOS>TAS>JJverse
Feb 23 13:31:20 <tx> lol tas
Feb 23 13:31:27 <Zharf> but then, I'm a B5/farscape guy myself
Feb 23 13:31:38 <tx> My favourite episode of TNG was Season 4 Episode 10
Feb 23 13:31:42 <tx> where Sheldon says Bazinga
Feb 23 13:31:45 <tx> and the wookie dies
Feb 23 13:31:47 <jvrodrigues> ahaha
Feb 23 13:31:57 <justJanne> Shaka, when the walls fell.
Feb 23 13:32:03 <Veruso> I downloaded a source from:   android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/DeskClock/+/marshmallow-release    but I get "No resource identifier for attribute ... in package com.android.deskclock" when I try to compile
Feb 23 13:32:36 <justJanne> Veruso: you have to compile via AOSP's make tool, not via Android Studio.
Feb 23 13:32:51 <tx> yep
Feb 23 13:32:58 <tx> too hipster to use AS
Feb 23 13:32:58 <Veruso> ok thanks
Feb 23 13:33:02 <justJanne> And first you need to compile all of AOSP for that, all 40GB of source.
Feb 23 13:33:11 <justJanne> Temba, his arms wide.
Feb 23 13:33:43 <tx> wat
Feb 23 13:33:44 <Veruso> what is the compile time for that?
Feb 23 13:33:51 <justJanne> 3-4h.
Feb 23 13:33:58 <justJanne> If you compile all of AOSP.
Feb 23 13:34:07 <tx> a few seconds on an 21,000 teraquad central computer.
Feb 23 13:34:08 <justJanne> I don't know if DeskClock requires that,
Feb 23 13:34:11 <justJanne> Launcher does.
Feb 23 13:34:27 <justJanne> Launcher3, well, does, I mean. Unsure about Launcher2.
Feb 23 13:34:49 <Veruso> I have a server i can compile on but not admin access - do i need those privileges?
Feb 23 13:34:53 <justJanne> I always compile my launchers from source to get rid of this horrible vertically scrolling list.
Feb 23 13:34:59 <tx> probably not
Feb 23 13:35:04 <tx> you just need enough disk space
Feb 23 13:35:13 <justJanne> Veruso: well, you need to install quite a few build tools, but it shouldn't be an issue.
Feb 23 13:35:25 <Veruso> ok thanks for your help
Feb 23 13:35:26 <tx> you just NEED build-essentials
Feb 23 13:35:29 <tx> gcc etc
Feb 23 13:35:34 <tx> the rest you can keep local to your home folder
Feb 23 13:35:37 <justJanne> Yup.
Feb 23 13:35:50 <justJanne> And even build essentials can be installed in a chroot.
Feb 23 13:36:00 <tx> don't frighten the boy
Feb 23 13:36:36 <Zharf> I compiled all of AOSP once... once
Feb 23 13:36:45 <tx> Some say he's still compiling.
Feb 23 13:36:47 <justJanne> I'm sure he knows how to use a chroot, as you need to use one to install arch, and everyone knows how to install arch, right?
Feb 23 13:36:57 <justJanne> I compile AOSP about once per week.
Feb 23 13:37:08 <Zharf> because that's how long it takes?
Feb 23 13:37:35 <tx> Nah, that's just justJanne's fetish.
Feb 23 13:37:43 <tx> Compiling AOSP, but only, at most, on a weekly basis.
Feb 23 13:37:47 <tx> and only once per week
Feb 23 13:38:05 <justJanne> Well, the real reason is that I want AOSP mail and AOSP Launcher 3
Feb 23 13:38:25 <tx> "The navigation drawer looks great but I am just concerned about scaling past 100 users"
Feb 23 13:38:28 <tx> :\
Feb 23 13:38:30 <justJanne> Not the Google-infested variants which have more analytics code than otherwise.
Feb 23 13:38:31 <tx> clients tho
Feb 23 13:40:38 <jvrodrigues> ahahah justJanne you dont go out often, do you?
Feb 23 13:41:03 <justJanne> I live in a place where CCTV cameras that film public space are illegal ;P
Feb 23 13:41:20 <jvrodrigues> thats a reason to go out
Feb 23 13:41:23 <jvrodrigues> or to not go out?
Feb 23 13:41:39 <jvrodrigues> no cctv cameras here or in my home country aswell
Feb 23 13:41:40 <jvrodrigues> good times
Feb 23 13:41:43 <justJanne> It is neither a reason for not against.
Feb 23 13:42:01 <justJanne> But I don't need or want tracking, and compiling AOSP is simply an automated cronjob.
Feb 23 13:43:42 <justJanne> That opens the question: who the fuck wants tracking?
Feb 23 13:44:25 <danijoo> trackers ;)
Feb 23 13:45:15 <jvrodrigues> well
Feb 23 13:45:20 <justJanne> Well, except for the devil.
Feb 23 13:45:23 <jvrodrigues> in paper they serve a use to you
Feb 23 13:45:31 <jvrodrigues> optimize search results, ads etc
Feb 23 13:45:38 <justJanne> Well, I don't see ads.
Feb 23 13:45:53 <jvrodrigues> and im not really a tin foil hat type of person
Feb 23 13:45:57 <justJanne> And search results used to be better around 2010 before the whole personalised search.
Feb 23 13:46:12 <jvrodrigues> i disagree tbh
Feb 23 13:46:28 <danijoo> me too..
Feb 23 13:46:31 <justJanne> Nowadays I can't find anything anymore.
Feb 23 13:46:44 <justJanne> I search for an error, Google returns something completely different.
Feb 23 13:46:47 <p_l> search was better before SEO :V
Feb 23 13:46:58 <justJanne> Even with verbatim search and "" it just refuses to work.
Feb 23 13:47:18 <jvrodrigues> yea SEO killed the search
Feb 23 13:47:24 <jvrodrigues> or made it harder
Feb 23 13:47:26 <justJanne> I search "Blablablaexception" and only get results for "foofoofooexception"
Feb 23 13:47:31 <jvrodrigues> not trackers
Feb 23 13:47:32 <justJanne> Which is completely different.
Feb 23 13:47:43 <danijoo> which has nothing to do with trackers
Feb 23 13:47:53 <justJanne> Well, it kinda has.
Feb 23 13:47:56 <jvrodrigues> well when that happens its time to start a question in SO
Feb 23 13:48:14 <jvrodrigues> and see what comes out of that
Feb 23 13:48:19 <jvrodrigues> though in my experience with SO
Feb 23 13:48:26 <jvrodrigues> if you cant find a question already answered before
Feb 23 13:48:33 <jvrodrigues> chances are no1s going to answer it
Feb 23 13:48:47 <jvrodrigues> SO is really a low level programmer place
Feb 23 13:48:48 <justJanne> danijoo, Google's recent search is purely based on trackers etc — not, as it should be, on finding the string you entered.
Feb 23 13:49:04 <justJanne> I want a button to turn off synonym search.
Feb 23 13:49:13 <jvrodrigues> well the string you entered has some effect aswel
Feb 23 13:49:24 <jvrodrigues> else Id only receive pictures of kittens everytime I googled something
Feb 23 13:49:28 <justJanne> A button to turn off "yeah, I'll ignore 90% of what you typed and serve you something completely different"
Feb 23 13:49:46 <justJanne> Worst of all, on Firefox Mobile, Google even removed the button for verbatim search.
Feb 23 13:50:03 <justJanne> So, unless I use user agent faking addons, I get 100% bullshit results.
Feb 23 13:50:07 <justJanne> Every time I search.
Feb 23 13:53:36 <danijoo> my search results are fine. no idea what you are doing ;)
Feb 23 13:54:19 <jvrodrigues> yea, are you sure you're not using bing?
Feb 23 13:54:31 <danijoo> whats bing? that porn search engine?
Feb 23 13:55:05 <jvrodrigues> a weird page that opens on the weird nokia phones we have here
Feb 23 13:55:14 <justJanne> I actually end up using Yahoo sometimes, because it offers better results.
Feb 23 13:55:42 <jvrodrigues> Yahoo still exists?
Feb 23 13:55:46 <justJanne> But then again, Google Maps hasn't updated my district since 2004 (!), and by now it's getting ridiculous. Whole streets are missing.
Feb 23 13:55:50 <jvrodrigues> some people just refuse to give up
Feb 23 13:56:05 <danijoo> didnt it got sold again recently?
Feb 23 13:56:19 <danijoo> I even get good results with google if I search for super specific data not relevant for 99% of people on this planet
Feb 23 13:56:39 <justJanne> Well, I always copy-paste error codes,
Feb 23 13:56:51 <justJanne> And get completely irrelevant Stack Overflow results from Google.
Feb 23 13:56:59 <danijoo> so either the trackers do a really good job or im a search term genius
Feb 23 13:57:27 <jvrodrigues> danijoo: so do I
Feb 23 13:57:30 <danijoo> well. yeah.. stack traces and error codes are a different story
Feb 23 13:57:31 <justJanne> Well, if I search for "FooException", and only get results for "BarException", then it's shit.
Feb 23 13:57:42 <jvrodrigues> probably because I dont disable trackers
Feb 23 13:57:43 <justJanne> That's 99% of my use of search online,
Feb 23 13:57:46 <jvrodrigues> like justJanne does
Feb 23 13:57:48 <jvrodrigues> :/
Feb 23 13:57:49 <justJanne> And I 100% get bullshit results.
Feb 23 13:57:58 <danijoo> thats like entering 3 words and only one book where those are contained as result
Feb 23 13:58:27 <danijoo> this wont happen because its too general
Feb 23 13:58:32 <justJanne> Why?
Feb 23 13:58:39 <justJanne> I even enable Verbatim mode,
Feb 23 13:59:00 <justJanne> But it still says "showing results for BarException" when I search for "FooException"
Feb 23 13:59:48 <danijoo> because FooException is part of an infinite amount projects witch a good chance that BarException is relevant there too
Feb 23 13:59:50 <justJanne> What good is a search for if it doesn't find what you search for, but what it thinks you're searching for?
Feb 23 14:00:19 <jvrodrigues> but
Feb 23 14:00:29 <jvrodrigues> do you find your exception in page 2, for example?
Feb 23 14:00:34 <justJanne> danijoo: but that's not what I'm searching for — I'm literally searching for /.*FooException.*/
Feb 23 14:00:35 <jvrodrigues> theres more than 1 result
Feb 23 14:00:40 <jvrodrigues> or do you always feel lucky?
Feb 23 14:00:40 <justJanne> jvrodrigues: nope. Never.
Feb 23 14:00:52 <jvrodrigues> and if using incognito?
Feb 23 14:00:52 <justJanne> I often read the first 3 pages,
Feb 23 14:00:54 <jvrodrigues> does it improve?
Feb 23 14:00:55 <justJanne> And then give up.
Feb 23 14:01:00 <justJanne> Nope, changes nothing.
Feb 23 14:01:08 <jvrodrigues> and other engines?
Feb 23 14:01:34 <justJanne> DDG and Yahoo have far better results, but still not as good as 2013's Google.
Feb 23 14:08:08 <danijoo> for millions of people google has good search results. its definitly not a bad engine. if it doesnt work for you, thats ok. One solution will never work for all. Everyone has its favorite i guess :)
Feb 23 14:08:37 <danijoo> but saying its bad just because its not working for you is simply not fair.
Feb 23 14:09:00 <Zharf> I can't remember the last time I went past page 2 on search results and didn't find what I wanted
Feb 23 14:09:43 <Zharf> coding related searching was much worse 4-5 years ago on google than it is now
Feb 23 14:09:56 <Zharf> in my experience
Feb 23 14:12:29 <justJanne> Well, if you enter rough terms "app crash black screen", it's amazing.
Feb 23 14:12:44 <justJanne> If you want to search exactly for a very specific term, it's horrible.
Feb 23 14:13:14 <danijoo> in 9/10 caases i even get the correct answer if i just copy and paste the first 2 or 3 lines of a stacktrace
Feb 23 14:13:27 <Zharf> maybe I don't search for specific exceptions, not sure
Feb 23 14:14:12 <danijoo> also since google searches a lot with context, you can use that to your favor
Feb 23 14:14:16 <jvrodrigues> same with danijoo
Feb 23 14:14:21 <jvrodrigues> as*
Feb 23 14:14:23 <justJanne> Well, I don't want context search.
Feb 23 14:14:30 <justJanne> I want to be able to get literal results.
Feb 23 14:14:34 <jvrodrigues> google has been more than a friend to me
Feb 23 14:14:36 <jvrodrigues> a brother
Feb 23 14:14:36 <danijoo> just ad some context which is not neccessary the exact search words but make sense
Feb 23 14:14:40 <danijoo> and you will get better results
Feb 23 14:14:47 <justJanne> If I search for getArrayNative I don't want results for getIntArrayNative.
Feb 23 14:14:55 <justJanne> I want to get "No results"
Feb 23 14:15:06 <justJanne> Or results that literally mention that method.
Feb 23 14:15:16 <Zharf> use a different search engine tyen
Feb 23 14:15:22 <Zharf> then*
Feb 23 14:15:31 <jvrodrigues> or just ask in SO
Feb 23 14:15:35 <justJanne> Well, Google's old algos were perfectly fine.
Feb 23 14:15:42 <danijoo> no they sucked
Feb 23 14:15:52 <justJanne> No engine handles it better than that.
Feb 23 14:15:52 <p_l> considering how much was done to game them...
Feb 23 14:16:01 <danijoo> if I search for something and I cant find it, I dont want ´No results´
Feb 23 14:16:13 <danijoo> I want some pages where I can continue my research on that topic
Feb 23 14:16:13 <justJanne> Well, yes, you want.
Feb 23 14:16:30 <danijoo> no I absolutly dont want No results
Feb 23 14:16:42 <Zharf> dan2k3k4, indeed
Feb 23 14:16:44 <Zharf> er
Feb 23 14:16:48 <danijoo> hmpf reconnect -_-
Feb 23 14:16:48 <dan2k3k4> :o
Feb 23 14:17:01 <justJanne> You don't want to search for "pizza in my city" and have it ignore the one pizza place, and instead return "didn't find enough pizza places, here are green restaurants instead"
Feb 23 14:17:05 <Zharf> of course you disconneccted as I tab completed your nick
Feb 23 14:17:13 <Zharf> sorry dan2k3k4
Feb 23 14:17:20 <jvrodrigues> pizza in my city only works with context
Feb 23 14:17:20 <dan2k3k4> heh Zharf it happens all the time ^____^
Feb 23 14:17:22 <jvrodrigues> by definition
Feb 23 14:17:23 <justJanne> You'd want that one pizza place, or even "no pizza places in your city"
Feb 23 14:17:34 <justJanne> Not "found a pizza place 2000km away"
Feb 23 14:17:35 <danijoo> if I am hungry and there are no pizza places in my town, i definitly want to know about other restaurants near me
Feb 23 14:17:36 <jvrodrigues> else youd get a bunch of forums and shit of people saying "pizza in my city"
Feb 23 14:17:52 <justJanne> jvrodrigues: yes, that's a better solution even.
Feb 23 14:17:56 <justJanne> I'd prefer that.
Feb 23 14:17:57 <danijoo> and maybe I also want to know if theres a pizza town in the next city
Feb 23 14:17:59 <jvrodrigues> thats a bullshit solution
Feb 23 14:18:05 <jvrodrigues> I want a list of pizza places next to me
Feb 23 14:18:34 <justJanne> Great. Then give a button to switch back into the old mode.
Feb 23 14:18:51 <justJanne> Nowadays 99% of the stuff I find on Google is either gaming SEO, or irrelevant answers.
Feb 23 14:19:25 <justJanne> It even displays for many normal answers buzzfeed "10 things you wotn believe" in front of the Wikipedia article.
Feb 23 14:20:12 <Zharf> what's SEO
Feb 23 14:20:55 <danijoo> seems like you want your search engine to work different then most other people.
Feb 23 14:21:07 <danijoo> so yeah. use yahoo or ddg then.
Feb 23 14:21:14 <justJanne> Well, no. Most people I know want that, too.
Feb 23 14:21:15 <danijoo> google for the majority
Feb 23 14:21:45 <justJanne> If you search in the phone book for a pizza place, you don't wnat to get as result "here, I found these pizza-themed clothing stores"
Feb 23 14:21:52 <danijoo> most people you know are not representative for the internet
Feb 23 14:21:59 <justJanne> You want to literally find only pizza places, and only in your city.
Feb 23 14:22:19 <justJanne> Any time Google tries to guess context, it gets it right for the majority of use cases,
Feb 23 14:22:31 <Zharf> stop looking past the 10th page?
Feb 23 14:22:32 <justJanne> But doesn't even offer a "stop guessing context" button for the rest of use cases.
Feb 23 14:22:52 <danijoo> dont make up examples that arent true
Feb 23 14:22:55 <justJanne> Zharf: how else am I supposed to find things when the first 10 pages contain nothing relevant?
Feb 23 14:23:09 <Zharf> I've literally never had the problems you're describing
Feb 23 14:23:16 <justJanne> If I paste a stack trace, I want to only find pages that literally contain that stack trace.
Feb 23 14:23:21 <justJanne> Not any single other page.
Feb 23 14:23:39 <Zharf> things I want are 99% of the time on the first page
Feb 23 14:23:50 <Zharf> if they're not, I refine my search terms
Feb 23 14:24:17 <danijoo> since at least some part of the stacktrace contains your package name, that would mean you never get a result at all
Feb 23 14:24:31 <Zharf> I don't understand why you sear h for a stacktrace though
Feb 23 14:24:32 <justJanne> Yes, that's why you remove the package name and add * there.
Feb 23 14:24:37 <justJanne> To do a glob searh.
Feb 23 14:24:41 <justJanne> *glob search.
Feb 23 14:24:44 <Zharf> stacktrace already provides all the information
Feb 23 14:24:48 <justJanne> Google used to support search globs.
Feb 23 14:25:12 <justJanne> Zharf: sometimes trying to find out if a crash — which is in internal Android code — is a known bug.
Feb 23 14:25:24 <justJanne> Like the appcompat KitKat rotation crash was.
Feb 23 14:25:39 <Zharf> why? you never report them anyway ;)
Feb 23 14:26:16 <danijoo> add ¨kitcat, rotation crash¨ to the first line of your crash and it will be one of the first 5 search results
Feb 23 14:26:26 <danijoo> thats how contextual based search engines work.
Feb 23 14:26:33 <danijoo> if you dont want to use one, dont use one.
Feb 23 14:26:57 <jvrodrigues> ^
Feb 23 14:27:08 <danijoo> you dont go to a car company and complain because the car doesnt swim
Feb 23 14:27:32 <justJanne> I want Google 2013 back.
Feb 23 14:27:35 <jvrodrigues> "But it says its an hybrid"
Feb 23 14:27:43 <justJanne> A contextual search engine requires context that I can't always provide.
Feb 23 14:27:49 <jvrodrigues> "why did it sink?"
Feb 23 14:27:53 <justJanne> In this case, I got the crash via a bug report tool.
Feb 23 14:27:54 <tx> anyone played with the vision api?
Feb 23 14:27:57 <justJanne> I didn't have any context.
Feb 23 14:28:04 <justJanne> I didn't know the reason was rotation.
Feb 23 14:28:18 <justJanne> I just knew KitKat crash and the stack trace.
Feb 23 14:28:36 <justJanne> Took me 2 days to accidentally replicate it, and be able to provide the context and find results.
Feb 23 14:28:41 <danijoo> if it crashes on rotation, rotation clearly is the context ;)
Feb 23 14:28:55 <danijoo> if rotation isnt part of your testing, well
Feb 23 14:29:05 <justJanne> Well, it was an in-beta app.
Feb 23 14:29:08 <tx> I still have my keyboard squishing my dialogfragment's to bits
Feb 23 14:29:18 <justJanne> Testing on KitKat devices wasn't done yet.
Feb 23 14:29:21 <danijoo> if you dont know the context, google cant know it too
Feb 23 14:29:23 <tx> no way I can see of the keyboard just going over my stuff rather than pushing it up
Feb 23 14:29:27 <justJanne> So I got via the bug report tool just that.
Feb 23 14:29:38 <justJanne> danijoo: that's why it shouldn't search via context,
Feb 23 14:29:41 <justJanne> But literally!
Feb 23 14:29:44 <danijoo> no.
Feb 23 14:29:51 <danijoo> you shouldnt use a contextual search engine then.
Feb 23 14:29:58 <danijoo> but a literal search engine
Feb 23 14:29:59 <Zharf> tx, serät the appropriate softinputflags (iirc) to your window
Feb 23 14:30:01 <danijoo> know your tools..
Feb 23 14:30:16 <Zharf> s/ät//
Feb 23 14:30:27 <tx> Zharf: Window as in.. activity?
Feb 23 14:30:29 <tx> fragment?
Feb 23 14:30:32 <tx> (both?)
Feb 23 14:30:49 <Zharf> dialog has it's own window
Feb 23 14:31:03 <tx> Sweet, you're a babe Zharf
Feb 23 14:31:13 <Zharf> in onCreateDialog you can use getWindow on the dialog and set some flags
Feb 23 14:31:40 <justJanne> danijoo: so, where's Google's 2013 mode?
Feb 23 14:31:52 <justJanne> Because that was the best non-contextual search engine existing.
Feb 23 14:32:03 <justJanne> And 99% of my search activity is without context.
Feb 23 14:32:29 <jvrodrigues> thats the hipsterest thing ive heard all day
Feb 23 14:32:43 <jvrodrigues> you also code using vi?
Feb 23 14:32:48 <Zharf> I'm sure google has done enough analysing to move to a contextual searching
Feb 23 14:32:51 <Leeds> vim FTW
Feb 23 14:32:57 <danijoo> I also want my cheeseburgers to be sold for 1 Euro again
Feb 23 14:33:03 <tx> use DDG if you don't want context
Feb 23 14:33:05 <Zharf> vim <3
Feb 23 14:33:08 <danijoo> not an option, too bad..
Feb 23 14:33:16 <tx> complaining about Google's search results because they have context
Feb 23 14:33:20 <tx> won't get you anywhere
Feb 23 14:33:33 <jvrodrigues> the only thing I really want is the choose device dialog to popup AFTER the goddamn build
Feb 23 14:33:40 <danijoo> possible theres no reason for google to support non contextual search for < 1% interessted people
Feb 23 14:34:06 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, intellij does that
Feb 23 14:34:16 <jvrodrigues> IDEA?
Feb 23 14:34:20 <Zharf> yep
Feb 23 14:34:23 <justJanne> danijoo: yes, but, as I said, for development search it is, as I originally claimed, therefore useless.
Feb 23 14:34:37 <jvrodrigues> Id be giving up way too much switching AS to idea
Feb 23 14:34:52 <Zharf> for *your* development searches, apparently
Feb 23 14:34:57 <jvrodrigues> justJanne: I do development search all the time and cant complain
Feb 23 14:35:04 <jvrodrigues> Broogle is good to me
Feb 23 14:35:08 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, like what3
Feb 23 14:35:12 <Zharf> ?
Feb 23 14:35:12 <danijoo> no claimed it gives you ¨stores selling pizza themed clothes¨ when searching for pizza in your town..
Feb 23 14:35:22 <tx> Google thinks I'm a 65 year old male who likes credit cards and yoga
Feb 23 14:35:26 <justJanne> danijoo: well, on page 10, it does.
Feb 23 14:35:33 <justJanne> Instead of saying "no more results"
Feb 23 14:35:36 <tx> I'm in my early 20's and like neither credit cards nor yoga.
Feb 23 14:36:27 <jvrodrigues> sdk integratoin
Feb 23 14:36:44 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, ? what do you mean
Feb 23 14:38:08 <justJanne> jvrodrigues: as I said, when I try to find anything, I get only bullshit results.
Feb 23 14:38:48 <Leeds> justJanne: GIGO
Feb 23 14:39:05 <danijoo> because you are trying to use a contextual search engine for non-contextual search. clearly a layer-8 problem
Feb 23 14:39:36 <justJanne> danijoo: No, I use the non-contextual mode. As I said before.
Feb 23 14:39:39 <pfn> intellij did android before android studio existed
Feb 23 14:39:54 <justJanne> In search tools, switch from "all results" to "verbatim mode"
Feb 23 14:40:02 <justJanne> That switches into non-contextual mode.
Feb 23 14:40:14 <justJanne> Sadly, it's still not as good as 2013-era Google.
Feb 23 14:40:29 <pfn> and for the most part, android studio and intellij are the same, I'd be hard pressed to find a specific feature in Android studio I would use
Feb 23 14:40:55 <pfn> Maybe the gradle integration is a little better
Feb 23 14:41:36 <danijoo> verbatim search is not a literal search.
Feb 23 14:42:09 <danijoo> its a search using the literal words entered
Feb 23 14:42:14 <danijoo> thats a difference
Feb 23 14:44:26 <justJanne> Well, Verbatim search with quotes around the term should be literal search.
Feb 23 14:44:42 <justJanne> At least a Google employee claimed it was "the closest to literal search existing"
Feb 23 14:44:58 <RustyShackleford> do you dev on a laptop or a desktop?
Feb 23 14:44:58 <justJanne> And suggested I'd use that instead of competitors engines.
Feb 23 14:45:19 <RustyShackleford> lol a gradle sync will make my computer real laggy
Feb 23 14:45:36 <RustyShackleford> I might want to upgrade my machine
Feb 23 14:45:44 <Zharf> yeah, gradle's really good at eating all resiurces
Feb 23 14:45:53 <Zharf> resources too
Feb 23 14:46:28 <danijoo> I always wonder why my chrome tabs stop loading when gradle does something..
Feb 23 14:46:34 <danijoo> while everything else still works
Feb 23 14:46:54 <RustyShackleford> this laptop still builds the project relatively fast
Feb 23 14:47:12 <RustyShackleford> but I wonder what a fancy new i5 would do
Feb 23 14:47:38 <Zharf> what kind of a computer do you have now?
Feb 23 14:47:39 <tx> m8 I am on a quad core i7 and my build times suck
Feb 23 14:47:44 <tx> even after tweaking :P
Feb 23 14:47:52 <RustyShackleford> Zharf: older dell inspiron 13
Feb 23 14:47:58 <tx> my 8 core works okay though (16HT)
Feb 23 14:48:02 <RustyShackleford> i3, 6GB ram
Feb 23 14:48:04 <tx> not fantastic though
Feb 23 14:48:48 <Zharf> on haswell i5 gradle is still freaking slow
Feb 23 14:48:58 <cordovafan8> Hello. I'm having some trouble finding some of the standard icons for menus, such as the 'Gear' icon used for settings and the 'Hamburger' icon used for menus. Does anyone know the id of these in R.drawable?
Feb 23 14:50:44 <danijoo> Its not part of R.drawable until you put it in there cordovafan8
Feb 23 14:52:17 <danijoo> iirc the icons for that are private resources in the support lib, so you cant access them via their ID
Feb 23 14:52:36 <danijoo> (someone please correct me if im wrong)
Feb 23 14:52:48 <justJanne> cordovafan8: look at materialdesignicons.com to find the icons as dozens of .pngs
Feb 23 14:52:54 <jvrodrigues> ^
Feb 23 14:53:00 <cordovafan8> danijoo: what do you mean access them through their id? Do you mean through R.drawable or directly in hex?
Feb 23 14:53:03 <justJanne> And then have fun putting them in the right folders and naming them correctly..
Feb 23 14:53:16 <cordovafan8> justJanne: But shouldn't they just be accessible through R.drawable?
Feb 23 14:53:30 <cordovafan8> I mean they are all over the place in standard apps
Feb 23 14:53:34 <jvrodrigues> Zharf: sorry was interruptec with work stuff, I mean the emulator, sdk, design etc are AS specific right? Or does idea also ship them?
Feb 23 14:54:15 <justJanne> cordovafan8: this is Android, you have to duplicate everything anyway. Get used to it.
Feb 23 14:54:26 <lignux> guys im planing in starting a project and altough i fairly know java im new in android development. I worked on a libgdx game before. So i want to use Kotlin for my project but don't know if that would be a smart thing to do. What do you think?
Feb 23 14:54:30 <danijoo> cordovafan8, if you add a navigation drawer, the standard icon for that will be the burger
Feb 23 14:54:42 <danijoo> if you want that icon out of that context, you need to add it to your apk manually
Feb 23 14:55:41 <pfn> jvrodrigues, they are not AS specific
Feb 23 14:55:50 <cordovafan8> danijoo: you mean out of the context of the titlebar
Feb 23 14:55:56 <cordovafan8> which makes zero sense
Feb 23 14:56:03 <danijoo> lignux, I love kotlin, but ask 10 devs about what language to use and you get 11 answers ;)
Feb 23 14:56:04 <cordovafan8> oh well
Feb 23 14:56:12 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, AS is a stripped down IDEA with some android related development that eventually finds itself in IDEA
Feb 23 14:56:13 <danijoo> cordovafan8, no. i mean out of the context of the NavigationDrawer
Feb 23 14:56:45 <Zharf>  IDEA has all but the most recent AS stuff
Feb 23 14:56:52 <danijoo> ie the burger usually is added by a NavigationDrawerToggle which opens that navigation menu. If you add that, android will display that icon
Feb 23 14:57:13 <danijoo> if you want that icon without that drawer, you need to add it manually since the resource for it is not public
Feb 23 14:57:18 <lignux> danijoo, i feel you hahah :D. I think ill go with kotlin and read the refernce then jump to the Koans. After that i hope i can jump right to learning and building
Feb 23 14:58:30 <danijoo> lignux, the koans are a great way to start :) Also if you are interested in a comprehensive work, this is a great book so far: https://www.manning.com/books/kotlin-in-action
Feb 23 14:58:37 <danijoo> not finished though
Feb 23 15:00:00 <danijoo> lignux, also you should join us in slack chat :) #kotlin isnt that active unfortunatly
Feb 23 15:00:36 <lignux> danijoo, thanks for the book recomendation ill check it out. Can you send me a link for the slack chat?
Feb 23 15:01:38 <danijoo> http://kotlinslackin.herokuapp.com/
Feb 23 15:01:41 <justJanne> cordovafan8: the hamburger icon, for example, isn’t actually an icon – it’s rendered live.
Feb 23 15:02:08 <jvrodrigues> we're calling it hamburger icon now?
Feb 23 15:02:13 <lignux> thank you very much :)
Feb 23 15:02:13 <jvrodrigues> god when will the madness stop?
Feb 23 15:02:25 <danijoo> it had that name since ever, didnt it?
Feb 23 15:03:59 <jvrodrigues> I believe its just burger icon
Feb 23 15:04:04 <jvrodrigues> which, in itself, doesnt make sense
Feb 23 15:04:04 <cordovafan8> justJanne: yes it's a unicode character, but surely SURELY something like this would have been turned into an icon and included in R.drawable at some point. Seems crazy to me.
Feb 23 15:04:13 <jvrodrigues> burgers have different layers of different stuff
Feb 23 15:04:25 <jvrodrigues> what kind of pleb would call a burger 3 buns of bread?
Feb 23 15:04:29 <jvrodrigues> thats a bread sandwich
Feb 23 15:06:18 <jvrodrigues> do you guys outsource design to freelancers, design companies or do you have your inhouse designer dummy?
Feb 23 15:06:23 <danijoo> you havent been to McDonalds for a long time :p
Feb 23 15:06:33 <danijoo> their burgers look exactly like that. sad but true..
Feb 23 15:06:42 <jvrodrigues> havent been in a long while yea
Feb 23 15:06:52 <cordovafan8> you are not missing anything
Feb 23 15:07:03 <cordovafan8> I went a few weeks ago and they took 10 minutes to get me an apple pie
Feb 23 15:07:12 <cordovafan8> pleasedIwasnot
Feb 23 15:07:59 <danijoo> jvrodrigues, thats a good question. I try to do as much as possible on my own. But also outsources some artwork - mostly to other students with low salary expectations though
Feb 23 15:08:24 <danijoo> I cant afford to pay 200 bucks for an app icon.
Feb 23 15:08:41 <jvrodrigues> well you need customer approval for your app desing
Feb 23 15:08:46 <jvrodrigues> at least thats how I work
Feb 23 15:08:49 <jvrodrigues> we*
Feb 23 15:09:06 <jvrodrigues> beforehand though we outsource the design to some freelance my boss comes up with
Feb 23 15:09:15 <jvrodrigues> downwards spiral of work quality
Feb 23 15:09:27 <jvrodrigues> the last one was just laughable
Feb 23 15:09:35 <jvrodrigues> I dont know how the customer allowed this
Feb 23 15:09:44 <jvrodrigues> I am really pressuring the boss for an inhouse designer
Feb 23 15:10:50 <thepoosh> danijoo: now is the time to learn photoshop stuff
Feb 23 15:11:35 <danijoo> thepoosh, for me the problem is most often not the use of those tools, but the creativity
Feb 23 15:12:52 <jvrodrigues> yes, very true
Feb 23 15:13:05 <jvrodrigues> but in android creativity is very constrained by material guidelines
Feb 23 15:13:25 <jvrodrigues> and 100% of the designers I have worked with did not care at all about material guidelines
Feb 23 15:13:30 <jvrodrigues> they wanted their pretty colors
Feb 23 15:13:39 <jvrodrigues> with their pretty fonts
Feb 23 15:13:43 <jvrodrigues> and their shitty UX
Feb 23 15:13:59 <eghdk> I'm including an aar in one of my libraries. In my main project, I pull in my library (and therefore the aar mentioned inside of that library). I'm getting a class not found in my application though for one of the classes in the aar. How do I solve that? If I add the aar directly into my application, then I get an issue that there's two types of these files from two different locations error.
Feb 23 15:14:53 <jvrodrigues> eghdk set transitive true
Feb 23 15:17:52 <eghdk> jvrodrigues: Where?
Feb 23 15:18:18 <eghdk> In the packagingOptions? or in the compile 'com.lib...' statement?
Feb 23 15:18:27 <jvrodrigues> in the compile statement
Feb 23 15:19:13 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, I frequently do some demos about android design and what you can do to our designers
Feb 23 15:19:38 <eghdk> Zharf: that's a great idea. Going to steal it. thanks
Feb 23 15:19:56 <jvrodrigues> problem here is designer is far gone
Feb 23 15:19:57 <eghdk> jvrodrigues: Okay, I'll give it a shot. Any idea why transitive isn't enabled to true by default?
Feb 23 15:19:59 <Zharf> my coworkers love the designs but they say that I shouldn't show them to the designers or we'll have a lot of work to do
Feb 23 15:20:09 <jvrodrigues> hired a remote designer from poland
Feb 23 15:20:38 <jvrodrigues> One of the screens she delivered has not one, but 2 mouse cursors icons on it
Feb 23 15:20:39 <Zharf> eghdk, feel free ;)
Feb 23 15:21:07 <pfn> Zharf, you seem to do android only, why use intellij?
Feb 23 15:21:14 <Zharf> jvrodrigues, yesh there's a lot of bad designers out there, just like developers
Feb 23 15:21:34 <Zharf> but they're only bad if they're unwilling to learn and adapt new stuff
Feb 23 15:22:13 <jvrodrigues> ofc
Feb 23 15:22:17 <Zharf> pfn, I also do other java stuff, and native linux stuff but that I do in vim
Feb 23 15:22:17 <pfn> bad designers: give you android designs copied from ios
Feb 23 15:22:19 <jvrodrigues> but thats the problem
Feb 23 15:22:22 <jvrodrigues> with remote designers
Feb 23 15:22:40 <jvrodrigues> you cant really train, communicate or otherwise invest in a freelancer thats not going to be around for the next project
Feb 23 15:22:57 <Zharf> pfn, and I used intellij way before AS, and I hated AS when it came out
Feb 23 15:23:21 <eghdk> jvrodrigues: transitive set to true didn't fix it... =( still getting Error:duplicate files during packaging of APK /Users/eghdk/git/APP/app/build/outputs/apk/app-debug-unaligned.apk
Feb 23 15:23:22 <pfn> Indeed
Feb 23 15:23:25 <Zharf> constraining my projects to gradle is what made me not even give it a chance
Feb 23 15:23:49 <jvrodrigues> well yea
Feb 23 15:23:53 <jvrodrigues> it doesnt fix the duplicate files
Feb 23 15:23:58 <jvrodrigues> it fixes the calss not found
Feb 23 15:24:02 <jvrodrigues> supposedly
Feb 23 15:24:10 <pfn> Zharf, gradle instead of?
Feb 23 15:24:22 <jvrodrigues> I hate maven
Feb 23 15:24:29 <Zharf> maven or ant, or just whatever intellij did before
Feb 23 15:24:45 <Zharf> maven <3
Feb 23 15:25:05 <pfn> maven sucks, gradle is incrementally better
Feb 23 15:25:26 <eghdk> Oh. Well fixing the class not found was easy, I just added the dependency in my app project, and now the class is found, but when I try to build it complains of multiple .so's that are pulled in. Once from the dependency I just added and once from the dependency added to my library that I'm using in my app.
Feb 23 15:25:29 <Zharf> I haven't seen any improvements, only slowing down my compilatilns
Feb 23 15:25:31 <danijoo_> eghdk, show your gradle files.
Feb 23 15:26:01 <danijoo_> oh well.. .so files | no idea about that
Feb 23 15:26:54 <pfn> eghdk, packagingOptions pickFirst
Feb 23 15:28:42 * pfn is an android gradle build master
Feb 23 15:28:45 <Zharf> I'd rather go with ant than have gradle build for two minutes every single time
Feb 23 15:28:57 <pfn> even though I have never setup a single android gradle build :/
Feb 23 15:29:12 <eghdk> danijoo_: pfn jvrodrigues if anyone is interested, this is the set up that is causing me pain right now.
Feb 23 15:30:09 <eghdk> http://pastebin.com/LzJGkTYg
Feb 23 15:31:31 <Zharf> http://eclipser.xmms2.org/android_gradle_speed.png
Feb 23 15:31:54 <pfn> eghdk, already gave you the answer
Feb 23 15:32:36 <pfn> Zharf, 26s is reasonable
Feb 23 15:32:59 <pfn> the 2-5mins isn't
Feb 23 15:33:38 * pfn is fortunate that all his builds are under 30s
Feb 23 15:33:55 <pfn> except for clean, those take up to 2 mins
Feb 23 15:33:58 <eghdk> pfn: Oh didn't see that. pickFirst okay, is that just a flag I set to true or something or I specify the files giving me the issue? or is there a way to do pickFirst for the entire compile (com.sqlcipher...) stuff?
Feb 23 15:34:08 <pfn> eghdk, google it
Feb 23 15:34:24 <Zharf> pfn, pre-gradle my builds very under 10 seconds
Feb 23 15:34:41 <Zharf> and I even did some tricks to make that gradle faster
Feb 23 15:35:25 <pfn> Zharf, I doubt the under 10 second. builds correspond to the 2-5 min builds
Feb 23 15:35:37 <Zharf> same project
Feb 23 15:35:47 <pfn> my maven builds took roughly the same time as gradle builds
Feb 23 15:36:00 <Zharf> it was an ant project before
Feb 23 15:36:00 <pfn> so, there's something else going on
Feb 23 15:36:08 <Zharf> I don't know what intellij did to build them
Feb 23 15:36:13 <pfn> so, it was likely doing a lot less before
Feb 23 15:36:25 <pfn> like no dependency resolution, and no aar
Feb 23 15:36:32 <danijoo_> Zharf, have you enabled offline builds?
Feb 23 15:36:35 <Zharf> yes
Feb 23 15:36:41 <danijoo_> hm
Feb 23 15:36:42 <pfn> doing the same in gradle should roughly be the same
Feb 23 15:36:54 <Zharf> pfn, how would I do that in gradle
Feb 23 15:36:56 <eghdk> pfn: First search shows this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20673625/android-gradle-plugin-0-7-0-duplicate-files-during-packaging-of-apk which Scott Barta says to just use exclude. I had to write an exclude for every file though. Any way around that? At least it compiles now?
Feb 23 15:37:24 <pfn> eghdk, use pick first and it must be for every file
Feb 23 15:37:26 <jvrodrigues> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31731014/what-does-transitive-true-in-gradle-exactly-do-w-r-t-crashlytics
Feb 23 15:37:55 <jvrodrigues> you need to explicitly say that aar should compile its libs
Feb 23 15:37:58 <jvrodrigues> :/
Feb 23 15:38:00 <eghdk> pfn: pickFirst over exclude? any reason why?
Feb 23 15:38:16 <pfn> eghdk, because you don't want your app to crash, duh
Feb 23 15:38:28 <Zharf> pfn, although I don't really care right now, about to crash in my bed now that I've come back home from work
Feb 23 15:38:57 <pfn> eghdk, unless you aren't using those native libs
Feb 23 15:41:10 <eghdk> I am. Okay gotcha. Thanks man. appreciate it. Will give it a whirl now.
Feb 23 15:45:28 <JanusJanus> hey yall
Feb 23 15:46:20 <JanusJanus> any free generous would be willing to point out what i could do to solve this problem with my app
Feb 23 15:46:31 <JanusJanus> cant to get any solution on stackoverflow
Feb 23 15:46:37 <JanusJanus> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35548924/csv-to-listview-issue?noredirect=1#comment58830545_35548924
Feb 23 15:46:55 <pfn> wtf, @aar is intransitive? I call bullshit
Feb 23 15:47:26 <JanusJanus> tried earlier today with someone form this channel but my humble knowledge in Android Studio couldnt keep up with his tips
Feb 23 15:47:37 <JanusJanus> the debugger got me confused ...
Feb 23 15:48:31 <Zharf> that'd be me..
Feb 23 15:48:38 <JanusJanus> :) hey man
Feb 23 15:48:59 <JanusJanus> been trying to get a hold of how this debugger but i got even more lost
Feb 23 15:50:16 <danijoo_> app shuts down is a bad error description
Feb 23 15:50:24 <danijoo_> No stack trace? :/
Feb 23 15:50:37 <JanusJanus> glad you hear, just a sec ... ----> debugger screen shot
Feb 23 15:51:49 <cart_man> Hey my android Emulator gets stuck on the ANDROID screen.. anybody else experienced this?
Feb 23 15:52:11 <JanusJanus> well currently it does not shut down, it just switch to the next activity window,but the ListView wont showup ...
Feb 23 15:52:47 <Zharf> if the loadarrayfromfile or whatever works, I suspect the problem is in getView
Feb 23 15:53:14 <Zharf> trying to relax after work right now though -.-
Feb 23 15:54:02 <JanusJanus> all good, i really appreciate your tips on the debugger, really on it ... you got it in my mind to learn how to use it ...
Feb 23 15:54:20 <bolovanos> Layouts - sp for fonts dp for other stuff, how do you fight with fact that font can be changed by env font size, but layout does not change => problems. Do you offer special font settings inside your app, or are you using dp for fonts, or is there any intelligent way to go around this problem?
Feb 23 15:54:30 <Zharf> it's essential to software development, pretty much
Feb 23 15:54:34 <bolovanos> Found http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7107920/why-should-we-use-sp-for-font-sizes-in-android - with same qustion but without answer
Feb 23 15:54:48 <pfn> bolovanos, design with space in mind
Feb 23 15:56:54 <danijoo_> and screw all samsung users who change fonts on their phones.
Feb 23 15:56:57 <JanusJanus> bolovanos so you suggest i unify the dp to all attrib.
Feb 23 15:57:05 <JanusJanus> LOL
Feb 23 15:57:15 <jvrodrigues> screw samsung users in general I say
Feb 23 15:57:24 <jvrodrigues> if they want android they should buy an android
Feb 23 15:57:32 <Sculptor> jvrodrigues, lg
Feb 23 15:57:36 <Zharf> jvrodrigues++
Feb 23 15:57:38 <bolovanos> pfn, which means? How much space (in %) do you leave?
Feb 23 15:57:50 <pfn> bolovanos, that's up to you to design
Feb 23 15:57:56 <bolovanos> JanusJanus, right now - I am suggesting nothing - have no serious clue for this...
Feb 23 15:58:05 <pfn> bolovanos, there is no rule
Feb 23 15:58:30 <danijoo_> bolovanos, nobody can help you without a stacktrace or something like that - hence the image in  the channel topic ;)
Feb 23 15:58:31 <bolovanos> JanusJanus, what I know that this is another variable which destroys my previous way of thinking...
Feb 23 15:58:33 <JanusJanus> bolvanos oh, all right
Feb 23 15:58:45 <ktwo> Then this statement isnt only for samsung though, most androids allow font customisations
Feb 23 15:59:17 <danijoo_> But I only see samsung users who thinks comic sans is a great primary font
Feb 23 15:59:40 <jvrodrigues> ahah yea, back in the day comic sans was the way to go
Feb 23 16:00:39 <bolovanos> pfn, you must stick to something like - desing app for example N swNdp, land, port, ... and than in each of those layouts you suggest leave space for such changes => wasting space?
Feb 23 16:01:00 <danijoo_> leaving space is not wasting space
Feb 23 16:01:15 <RustyShackleford> I need a new phone
Feb 23 16:01:16 <bolovanos> danijoo_, there is leaving space and leaving space...
Feb 23 16:01:20 <pfn> comic Sanz is a Fucking great font
Feb 23 16:01:26 <RustyShackleford> I'm pretty sick of samsung android "improvements"
Feb 23 16:01:40 <RustyShackleford> the amount of bloatware on this phone is absurd
Feb 23 16:01:46 <jvrodrigues> forget the bloatware
Feb 23 16:02:02 <bolovanos> danijoo_, a can say % changes between system small and huge font
Feb 23 16:02:05 <jvrodrigues> the amount of buggy/faulty apis is mindblowing
Feb 23 16:02:14 <pfn> RustyShackleford, where is your Nexus?
Feb 23 16:02:23 <RustyShackleford> never bought it for some reason
Feb 23 16:02:28 <RustyShackleford> I could have saved 50 buck
Feb 23 16:02:33 <jvrodrigues> :/
Feb 23 16:02:41 <danijoo_> bolovanos, no. I usually try a few extreme configurations out and thats it
Feb 23 16:02:42 <jvrodrigues> android devs need nexuses
Feb 23 16:02:43 <bolovanos> and without further exact comparison - i gues it is more than few %
Feb 23 16:02:44 <pfn> you should have just bought it
Feb 23 16:02:49 <RustyShackleford> couldn't decide between a 5x and 6p
Feb 23 16:02:53 <RustyShackleford> I still haven't decided
Feb 23 16:03:02 <pfn> 6p I told you
Feb 23 16:03:04 <jvrodrigues> 6p is largely considered the best nexus ever made
Feb 23 16:03:19 <RustyShackleford> it also looks fairly ginourmous
Feb 23 16:03:20 <pfn> I have returned the 5x I ordered
Feb 23 16:03:20 <Zharf> for real? it's waaaayyy too large
Feb 23 16:03:31 <RustyShackleford> pfn: yeah that also influenced my decision
Feb 23 16:03:39 <pfn> unless you're a dainty guy it's not too big
Feb 23 16:03:55 <RustyShackleford> is there a non-nexus device I should look into?
Feb 23 16:04:07 <jvrodrigues> do you own a nexus?
Feb 23 16:04:13 <RustyShackleford> its also the sticker shock haha. 550 upfront instead of hidden in my phone bill
Feb 23 16:04:20 <RustyShackleford> jvrodrigues: nope. Galaxy S5
Feb 23 16:04:27 <jvrodrigues> oh good lord.
Feb 23 16:04:41 <jvrodrigues> heard good things about the one plus 2
Feb 23 16:04:41 <Zharf> RustyShackleford, I find my xperia z5 compact decent
Feb 23 16:04:42 <RustyShackleford> its pretty nice
Feb 23 16:04:50 <RustyShackleford> if you ignore all the crappy things
Feb 23 16:05:11 <jvrodrigues> if you ignore all the crappy things you're left with a digital waterproof camera
Feb 23 16:05:13 <RustyShackleford> samsungs usually have good hardware at least
Feb 23 16:05:24 <JitanRo_> if I have two network calls that return observables, and I need the results of the first to make the second one, how would I chain them together with rxjava?
Feb 23 16:05:32 <RustyShackleford> until recently its always felt fast, the screen is nice
Feb 23 16:05:46 <jvrodrigues> flagships are always fast
Feb 23 16:06:06 <danijoo_> JitanRo, map if you are only interested in the result of the second one
Feb 23 16:06:31 <danijoo_> zip if you need both
Feb 23 16:06:47 <JitanRo> danijoo_ you mean like consuming the second observable inside the map function?
Feb 23 16:07:00 <danijoo_> where you zip between the result of the one and an adhoc created new observable
Feb 23 16:07:01 <JitanRo> and returning results
Feb 23 16:07:20 <JitanRo> I only need results of the second
Feb 23 16:07:25 <danijoo_> you map the result of the first observable to the result of the second. I think its actually flatmap
Feb 23 16:08:59 <danijoo_> observable1.flatmap { resultOne ->  ObservableNumberTwo.from(...) }.subscribe { resultsFromTwo -> .... }
Feb 23 16:09:33 <danijoo_> flatmap takes the result from one observable and turns it into all results from the newly created observable
Feb 23 16:09:50 <JitanRo> hmm, ok, I'll try this, thanks
Feb 23 16:12:54 <bolovanos> space consumed by one letter according to system font settings -> small  40x55 = 2200; huge  58x84 = 4872
Feb 23 16:13:31 <pfn> RustyShackleford, nexus 6p was 450 w/o tax during the sale, 550? if you wanted 128gb and missed the sale, I suppose
Feb 23 16:13:39 <danijoo_> its nearly impossible to build a good gui if the phone setting is huge though :p
Feb 23 16:13:40 <pfn> s/and/or
Feb 23 16:13:48 <bolovanos> this means - some space == twice as much space consumed by huge font comparade to small one
Feb 23 16:13:52 <pfn> you have to accept that some sizes will not look good
Feb 23 16:19:13 <RustyShackleford> pfn: ah you're right
Feb 23 16:19:17 <bolovanos> pfn, if this is what is majority accept as the fact - I can be "ok" with it and accommodate to it
Feb 23 16:19:52 <bolovanos> even if it hurts badly ...
Feb 23 16:22:09 <JitanRo> danijoo_ this is probably wrong maybe you can give me a pointer: http://paste.ofcode.org/VnYxnhM6BzvaFV4YBismPV
Feb 23 16:22:37 <JitanRo> I get network on mainthread even if I'm applying the right threads when I call the method
Feb 23 16:23:49 <danijoo_> JitanRo, looks fine
Feb 23 16:23:59 <JitanRo> hmm
Feb 23 16:24:07 <danijoo_> the exception means you are observing on a mainthread
Feb 23 16:24:10 <danijoo_> dont do that
Feb 23 16:24:46 <RustyShackleford> would you get 32 or 64gb in your nexus 6p?
Feb 23 16:25:10 <pfn> I just get 32gb
Feb 23 16:25:19 <justJanne> I’d get 256GB
Feb 23 16:25:20 <pfn> 16gb leaves like no usable space, but 32gb leaves enough that I don't care
Feb 23 16:25:24 <justJanne> if that’d exist.
Feb 23 16:25:25 <pfn> oh, 6p doesn't come in 16gb, heh
Feb 23 16:25:29 <pfn> I got 32
Feb 23 16:25:48 <JitanRo> danijoo_ I don't think I am though.. .. http://paste.ofcode.org/53gtziaMLkzVRR2bBXiUwh
Feb 23 16:25:49 <danijoo_> JitanRo, http://paste.ofcode.org/gzWyTMGcbqKpR887aPZ4fs
Feb 23 16:26:20 <jvrodrigues> eyecontacttime -> is that porn for girls?
Feb 23 16:26:33 <JitanRo> jvrodrigues pretty much
Feb 23 16:26:36 <danijoo_> JitanRo, try to switch observeOn/subscribeOn :p I always mix them up :/
Feb 23 16:26:55 <JitanRo> danijoo_ I double checked it already :)  I mix them up too
Feb 23 16:27:30 <JitanRo> I thought if the second observable didn't get the schedulers applied to it
Feb 23 16:27:34 <RustyShackleford> pfn: did you buy insurance too?
Feb 23 16:27:36 <JitanRo> because I was doing something wrong
Feb 23 16:27:37 <danijoo_> I never exeeded my 16 gb.. but im a huge cloud user :/
Feb 23 16:27:39 <pfn> RustyShackleford, no
Feb 23 16:27:42 <RustyShackleford> insurance is a scam
Feb 23 16:27:50 <pfn> depends
Feb 23 16:27:52 <RustyShackleford> but part of me wants to cover my ass and get it anyway
Feb 23 16:27:53 <pfn> if you use it, it isn't
Feb 23 16:28:03 <RustyShackleford> never broken a smartphone
Feb 23 16:28:10 <RustyShackleford> of course now that I said that..
Feb 23 16:28:15 <pfn> on my moto x, I used it 3 times, went from a moto x 2013 -> 2014 all on insurance
Feb 23 16:28:50 <jvrodrigues> You get a new phone for free every now and again
Feb 23 16:28:54 <pfn> but speaking of averages, yes, you lose out if you buy insurance
Feb 23 16:28:56 <jvrodrigues> pretty sweet if you ask me
Feb 23 16:29:16 <JitanRo> danijoo_ nevermind I found the problem, it was unrelated.  Thanks for the help :)
Feb 23 16:29:16 <RustyShackleford> jvrodrigues: haha not for free at all
Feb 23 16:29:24 <RustyShackleford> you paid for it, just over a longer period of time
Feb 23 16:29:28 <RustyShackleford> plus your deductible
Feb 23 16:30:00 <JitanRo> never used flatmap this way before, I always get this nice tingles in me when I manage to do something new with RxJava
Feb 23 16:30:37 <jvrodrigues> Im behind in the rxjava hype train :(
Feb 23 16:30:44 <jvrodrigues> feels bad man
Feb 23 16:30:47 <JitanRo> :(
Feb 23 16:30:52 <JitanRo> it's never too late
Feb 23 16:31:10 <jvrodrigues> I know, I know, wanted to implement it in the project I am working now
Feb 23 16:31:18 <jvrodrigues> but couldnt be bothered wasting time learning the ins and outs
Feb 23 16:31:37 <pfn> rxjava isn't difficult to pick up
Feb 23 16:31:41 <jvrodrigues> project is way behind and is huge
Feb 23 16:31:47 <pfn> I just hate weaving a large-ish library throughout my code though
Feb 23 16:32:07 <pfn> especially when all of the rxjava concepts are so fundamentally easy
Feb 23 16:32:31 <pfn> and I don't use streaming observables so much
Feb 23 16:32:36 <pfn> usually just single
Feb 23 16:34:58 <jvrodrigues> yea
Feb 23 16:35:15 <jvrodrigues> I need to implement it in a side project with the time needed to learn the api
Feb 23 16:35:33 <jvrodrigues> not in a 6 months project that needs to be delivered in 2
Feb 23 16:35:54 <jvrodrigues> I broke some personal records here
Feb 23 16:35:58 <jvrodrigues> 10k lines in 2 days
Feb 23 16:37:09 <pfn> 10k lines, yay java
Feb 23 16:41:25 <gordon_> know that pain...
Feb 23 17:10:03 <p14nd4> i'm getting junit.framework.AssertionFailedError (via Assert.assertNotNull) in a release build with this in my proguard file: -optimizations code/removal/*  and  -assumenosideeffects class junit.framework.Assert { void assertNotNull(String, Object); } (i also tried *; in place of the explicit function declaration);
Feb 23 17:10:38 <p14nd4> i've also tried with proguard-android-optimize.txt as the defaultproguardfile and skipping the explicit -optimizations code/removal/*
Feb 23 17:11:08 <p14nd4> any thoughts?
Feb 23 17:14:05 <p14nd4> ooooooh, i might have solved it
Feb 23 17:14:21 <p14nd4> by declaring it with java.lang.String and java.lang.Object
Feb 23 17:24:40 <dcope> is there a static analyzer to say what classes aren't being used, if a fragment is never initialized, if there's a potential null ptr? etc.
Feb 23 17:25:57 <p14nd4> dcope: lint in android studio does that
Feb 23 17:26:19 <p14nd4> (lint can also be used outside android studio, i believe, as part of an automated build)
Feb 23 17:26:47 <p14nd4> there are tons of extra lint options you can enable, too, that aren't enabled by default
Feb 23 17:27:13 <dcope> oh, is that the "Inspect code..." option in android studio?
Feb 23 17:29:52 <p14nd4> yeah
Feb 23 17:30:56 <p14nd4> though it should also be popping up little highlighted sections in files you're editing; you can navigate through them by pressing F2
Feb 23 17:31:47 <p14nd4> in the right margin, red and yellow marks indicate lint warnings and errors by default, i think
Feb 23 17:32:22 <pfn> hmm, how do dialogfragments communicate with the containing activity after recreation...
Feb 23 17:32:27 <pfn> that's so annoying
Feb 23 17:33:07 <pfn> basically have to cast shit all over, megayuck
Feb 23 17:33:10 <p14nd4> pfn: pass the context of the originating activity
Feb 23 17:33:40 <p14nd4> and then assign the callback method from something in that context
Feb 23 17:33:42 <p14nd4> or whatever
Feb 23 17:35:39 <p14nd4> @override public void onAttach(Activity activity)
Feb 23 17:35:42 <p14nd4> pfn: ^^
Feb 23 17:35:58 <g00s> dialogs suck, don't use them. solved ;)
Feb 23 17:37:00 <danijoo_> onAttach(activity) = deprecated :P but yes. thats what I usually use too
Feb 23 17:37:51 <p14nd4> danijoo_: huh ... not according to my IDE (in a class that extends dialogFragment)
Feb 23 17:38:12 <p14nd4> oh, they want you to use context
Feb 23 17:38:17 <danijoo_> correct
Feb 23 17:38:31 <p14nd4> huh; i wonder why lint isn't flagging that
Feb 23 17:39:14 <p14nd4> whatever. activity, context, should probably be able to get roughly what you need from either...
Feb 23 17:40:05 <p14nd4> that said, don't listen to me. i've been doing android dev for about a month, and haven't ever actually learned the right way to do things
Feb 23 17:43:55 <pfn> thanks, but yeah, that wasn't exactly what I was after
Feb 23 17:44:04 <pfn> and getActivity/getContext, not onAttach  :P
Feb 23 17:44:30 <pfn> I just dislike the tight coupling that fragment doesn't allow injecting any dependencies
Feb 23 17:45:02 <pfn> s/that/because
Feb 23 17:45:12 <pfn> thought there might be a clever way around it, there isn't
Feb 23 17:46:32 <danijoo_> only buses but thats a mess if you use it for all possible fragments and activities interaction
Feb 23 17:46:52 <pfn> yeah, I've moved away from using buses as well, those are too loosely coupled
Feb 23 17:46:56 <pfn> and too side-effecty
Feb 23 17:48:08 <pfn> buses feel spray and pray
Feb 23 17:56:06 <cart_man> hi
Feb 23 17:56:43 <cart_man> Is there a reason why finding screen size with metrics.heightPixels and metric.widthPixels will not be reliable sometimes?
Feb 23 17:56:56 <pfn> it is never unreliable
Feb 23 17:57:33 <cart_man> So it is basically for all intents and purposes a static value?
Feb 23 17:59:12 <LegendThinker> Hey, I have to make a variable size graph (connected nodes) with somewhat good graphics. please suggest any library
Feb 23 18:06:22 <DrBenway> so... communicating with google services. I want to login using Oauth. I went to the developer console and created a project. I then created an android credentials. I got the sha1 from my debug keystore and added it to the crendentials. I then copied the key to my code so that it tries using it with GoogleSignInOptions and GoogleApiClient. I make the call... with a sniffer, i can tell it calls oauth service with the data but the serve
Feb 23 18:06:22 <DrBenway> r seems to return "Error=INVALID_AUDIENCE"
Feb 23 18:06:30 <DrBenway> which i'm not too sure what to make out of it
Feb 23 18:07:26 <DrBenway> anyone happen to have an idea
Feb 23 18:07:27 <DrBenway> ?
Feb 23 18:17:05 <nzt> Is "it works and I don't care why or how" a good idiom on the app market?
Feb 23 18:17:39 <Mavrik> huh
Feb 23 18:17:45 <Mavrik> What kind of question is that :P
Feb 23 18:18:49 <heater89> pfn: what’s your opinion on rxJava/rxAndroid?
Feb 23 18:20:25 <pfn> heater89, use it if it's useful for you
Feb 23 18:20:52 <pfn> I just find that it provides a solution I don't need most of the time, usually I only want Single[T], not Observable[T]
Feb 23 18:21:50 <heater89> fair enough
Feb 23 18:21:55 <RustyShackleford> think i would have a hard time finding a new job with 4 months professional experience under my belt?
Feb 23 18:22:11 <RustyShackleford> I don't know how much longer I can take this. I like the company, this project is a total disaster
Feb 23 18:22:21 <pfn> RustyShackleford, you managed to find your current job, didn't you?
Feb 23 18:22:37 <RustyShackleford> honestly I lucked out. the referral was huge
Feb 23 18:22:55 <g00s> RustyShackleford part of being a professional is identifying death march projects :D
Feb 23 18:22:59 <pfn> RustyShackleford, stick it out for 1-2 years then
Feb 23 18:23:15 <pfn> feel free to jump ship thereafter
Feb 23 18:23:22 <pfn> unless someone is actively recruiting you
Feb 23 18:23:30 <pfn> or you are able to find something in the meantime
Feb 23 18:23:37 <RustyShackleford> well they want to fix the project. It would be cool to be part of reviving this project
Feb 23 18:24:00 <RustyShackleford> but they also provided me with zero training. My "mentor" was only there a few months longer than me. We're both lost
Feb 23 18:25:20 <pfn> that's awesome  :P
Feb 23 18:25:29 <pfn> well, shop around, but don't plan on leaving unless you have an offer in-hand
Feb 23 18:25:39 <pfn> being paid to learn is always the best
Feb 23 18:26:03 <orbyt_> RustyShackleford: if you do jump ship...im available for hire >=)
Feb 23 18:26:41 <s73v3r> and remember, it’s just business. it isn’t personal
Feb 23 18:27:59 <RustyShackleford> pfn: as much as I complain its a cool experience
Feb 23 18:28:15 <RustyShackleford> but yesterday/today I have someone breathing down my neck to get it done
Feb 23 18:28:22 <RustyShackleford> and I can't even reproduce the issue
Feb 23 18:28:25 <pfn> take s73v3r's advice
Feb 23 18:29:18 <RustyShackleford> i'm not sure what that means in this context
Feb 23 18:29:38 <s73v3r> tell them to get off your back. It’s normal for PMs and such to be anxious, but if they can’t trust you to do your job without hovering over your shoulder, then it’s not going to be a good place to work
Feb 23 18:29:53 <pfn> someone's breathing down your neck, it's not you, it's the job, do what you can, if you can't get it done, it is what it is
Feb 23 18:29:59 <RustyShackleford> well its someone breathing down his neck too
Feb 23 18:30:06 <RustyShackleford> but yeah, I'm stuck. I can't figure it out
Feb 23 18:30:11 <RustyShackleford> fuck what do you want me to do?
Feb 23 18:30:16 <s73v3r> then ask for help
Feb 23 18:30:26 <pfn> yes, your job is to call out and raise the flag, you need help
Feb 23 18:30:47 <s73v3r> but it doesn’t matter if someone is breathing down their neck. Their job, their entire reason for existing, is to shield you from that
Feb 23 18:30:56 <LegendThinker> I have to make a variable size graph (connected nodes) with somewhat good graphics. please suggest any library
Feb 23 18:31:17 <pfn> LegendThinker, graphviz? port it to java/android  :P
Feb 23 18:31:25 <g00s> LegendThinker MPAndroidChart, William Chart, Hello Chart .. but these don't have time series support
Feb 23 18:32:09 <LegendThinker> g00s, Not barchart type of chart I want.
Feb 23 18:32:23 <g00s> i'm using MPAndroidChart atm, its well supported and works well
Feb 23 18:32:37 <g00s> all will do bar charts
Feb 23 18:33:12 <RustyShackleford> yeah on one hand you're right about asking for help. Yeah people are generally helpful but I don't feel like I can ask them questions all day long either
Feb 23 18:33:14 <LegendThinker> I don't want bar charts not the one of connected nodes
Feb 23 18:33:23 <LegendThinker> like trees and graphs
Feb 23 18:33:25 <RustyShackleford> not only that, but they don't know every detail of the codebase either
Feb 23 18:33:43 <RustyShackleford> i have them asking me for help with sections i've worked on before
Feb 23 18:33:46 <g00s> RustyShackleford if both of you are incapable of performing, consider neither of you may have a choice soon
Feb 23 18:34:15 <s73v3r> when was the last time they asked you how long it would take?
Feb 23 18:37:02 <LegendThinker> pfn, any other solution please
Feb 23 18:37:03 <RustyShackleford> its only 12:30 and I need a beer already
Feb 23 18:38:28 <s73v3r> Don’t get caught up in trying to be the hero if they’re not going to give you the time and the reward for doing so
Feb 23 18:38:33 <pfn> LegendThinker, no
Feb 23 18:38:52 <LegendThinker> pfn, thanks :)
Feb 23 18:41:20 <g00s> so this is interesting. i have an app installed, which beeps. after that time, mediaserver run and drains the battery until the device /reboots/
Feb 23 18:41:33 <g00s> how the ffff
Feb 23 18:47:34 <AlexBerdnikov> I have a Spinner element and after I pick any value in it it opens the keyboard. Is this a normal behavior and I just don't understand something?
Feb 23 18:49:27 <AlexBerdnikov> Forget, it's a silly bu in my code. Damn, hate these moments
Feb 23 18:59:21 <RustyShackleford> done
Feb 23 18:59:38 <RustyShackleford> If you're gonna rush me, you're gonna get a half assed job
Feb 23 19:00:16 <RustyShackleford> they rush to get things to QA for testing, which means it comes right back to us as a defect
Feb 23 19:00:43 <RustyShackleford> i've never been suprised by a defect. I knew it was broken before I sent it in
Feb 23 19:14:06 <s73v3r> i have an appCompat cardview, which, on 5.0+ works fine with the View methods setBackgroundDrawable and setBackgroundResource. However, I need it to work on 4.4, where the CardView does not work so well with those methods.
Feb 23 19:14:37 <s73v3r> there is the cardBackgroundColor method on appCompat CardViews, but I’m not seeing anything to set a drawable as the background. Is this not possible?
Feb 23 19:16:06 <g00s> s73v3r its not possible, because the shadow is the bg
Feb 23 19:16:12 <s73v3r> poop
Feb 23 19:16:17 <g00s> you can use setForeGround for some cases
Feb 23 19:16:30 <g00s> (like selection, etc)
Feb 23 19:16:35 <s73v3r> that may work. I’ll have to see how all of this is being used
Feb 23 19:16:44 <s73v3r> no, it’s a gradient
Feb 23 19:20:06 <g00s> s73v3r maybe try a layer list drawable with shadow and your gradient
Feb 23 19:20:37 <g00s> i think that will work as long as the items don't have state lists
Feb 23 19:21:12 <s73v3r> i don’t think that will work, cause the cardView crashes on setBackgroundResource
Feb 23 19:26:05 <grekkos> should I be concerned if AS *isn't* warning me that my methods are unused, when I believe them to be unused?
Feb 23 19:26:11 <grekkos> it complains about some methods but not other
Feb 23 19:30:04 <RustyShackleford> you can definitely trick the IDE to think some methods are unused
Feb 23 19:30:11 <RustyShackleford> I haven't seen the opposite way though
Feb 23 19:30:53 <pieces029> grekkos concerned, probably not.
Feb 23 19:31:50 <kommunicate> i'm trying to set up one of those 'log in using google' widgets -- does that request need to go through a server (which has the account credentials), then the server talks to the google auth API, or can the android device talk to google directly?
Feb 23 19:51:09 <koopdi> I'm having trouble with android-studio adb integration. It seems that it is using a custom version and not the system one. System is bunsen/debian
Feb 23 19:52:00 <koopdi> if I try and launch adb from the shell, it starts but cannot see the emulators launched from AVD manager.
Feb 23 19:53:16 <practoz> What is the unit(dp, px) of value returned by View.getWidth() or View.getHeight() ?
Feb 23 19:54:22 <adq> practoz, make some effort to read the documentation
Feb 23 19:54:28 <adq> hint: "The width of your view, in pixels"
Feb 23 19:54:31 <koopdi> Does anyone know where ADB is stored, so
Feb 23 19:54:46 <koopdi> I can use it instead of the system one?
Feb 23 19:55:50 <g00s> anyone know how Google Fit is storing its sensor time series data ?
Feb 23 19:56:23 <practoz> adq Thanks! Should have done that
Feb 23 19:56:58 <adq> g00s, https://developers.google.com/fit/
Feb 23 19:57:17 <adq> i've never played with it, but i remember it was not exposed prior to the sdk release
Feb 23 19:57:42 <g00s> yeah i'm reading that, wonder if they are storing time series in sqlite, etc
Feb 23 19:58:22 <koopdi> I found adb-has-moved.txt
Feb 23 19:59:27 <koopdi> it says to look in the platform-tools directory...I don't see a directory by that name.
Feb 23 20:00:08 <adq> you should find this dir in your sdk dir
Feb 23 20:00:29 <koopdi> "Android SDK Platform-tools" are already installed
Feb 23 20:00:32 <koopdi> its not there
Feb 23 20:00:50 <luist> hey guys… im getting null in getActivity() after resetting my app with: http://paste.ofcode.org/39wsnqWnPYLYE7PQ9eGPiHR   can anyone help me?
Feb 23 20:01:01 <koopdi> there is add-ons, platforms, tools
Feb 23 20:01:29 <koopdi> (only tools has files.)
Feb 23 20:02:00 <koopdi> including adb-has-moved.txt :/
Feb 23 20:02:26 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/4bd40e3dd18a2ccee3bc
Feb 23 20:02:29 <koopdi> should I try removing my system's version of adb?
Feb 23 20:02:34 <pfn> good god, that's so thick, makes my eyes tired :(
Feb 23 20:02:40 <pfn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Blp0mW7oc
Feb 23 20:02:44 <pfn> but it results in this, which isn't terrible
Feb 23 20:04:12 <adq> koopdi, yeah you're better of only keeping the adb from sdk
Feb 23 20:04:33 <koopdi> okay...I still can't find it though
Feb 23 20:04:40 <pfn> adb is in platform-tools/
Feb 23 20:04:49 <koopdi> that folder does not exist
Feb 23 20:04:54 <pfn> then you didn't install platform-tools
Feb 23 20:05:06 <adq> koopdi, http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html
Feb 23 20:05:08 <koopdi> then how can I compile ANYTHING?
Feb 23 20:05:13 <pfn> [pfnguyen@galactica iota] $ ls ~/android-sdk-windows/platform-tools/adb.exe
Feb 23 20:05:15 <pfn> /c/Users/pfnguyen/android-sdk-windows/platform-tools/adb.exe
Feb 23 20:05:24 <koopdi> this is debian
Feb 23 20:05:27 <pfn> so?
Feb 23 20:05:39 <koopdi> ?
Feb 23 20:05:53 <pfn> [pfnguyen@galactica1 ~] $ ls -l ~/opt/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/adb
Feb 23 20:05:54 <pfn> -rwxrwxr-x 1 pfnguyen pfnguyen 2152530 Dec 29 14:53 /home/pfnguyen/opt/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/adb
Feb 23 20:06:03 <g00s> this is sparta!
Feb 23 20:06:07 <adq> lol
Feb 23 20:06:15 <adq> this is clearly (con)dense
Feb 23 20:06:19 <pfn> [spartacus@rome ~] $ ls -l ....
Feb 23 20:07:17 <koopdi> http://pastebin.com/DUPrUaf5
Feb 23 20:07:28 <pfn> then install platform-tools
Feb 23 20:07:50 <koopdi> Android SDK Tools rev 22.6.2 already installed
Feb 23 20:08:00 <pfn> android sdk tools is not platform tools
Feb 23 20:08:50 <koopdi> It says I have both..
Feb 23 20:08:59 <xan_IT> need help with IAB i receive PurchaseError{type=3 subtype=0} on buy intent
Feb 23 20:09:02 <xan_IT> pls help
Feb 23 20:09:04 <pfn> then you're looking in the wrong place, obviously
Feb 23 20:09:19 <koopdi> obviously
Feb 23 20:09:37 <pfn> koopdi, there's that thing at the top, it says "SDK Path" pay attention to where it says
Feb 23 20:10:17 <koopdi> There are updates available, I'm going to try dling those.
Feb 23 20:10:30 <koopdi> very strange
Feb 23 20:11:39 <xan_IT> online there is no information
Feb 23 20:11:41 <xan_IT> pls help
Feb 23 20:11:56 <xan_IT> i dont know what to do
Feb 23 20:12:28 <pfn> xan_IT, start by googling
Feb 23 20:12:35 <pfn> xan_IT, and searching stack overflow
Feb 23 20:12:51 <xan_IT> i do that but there isn't nothing
Feb 23 20:13:06 <xan_IT> type 3 with subtype 0
Feb 23 20:13:21 <pfn> then file an issue with google support
Feb 23 20:13:31 <xan_IT> where?
Feb 23 20:13:55 <xan_IT> is not AOSP, is google play services
Feb 23 20:14:02 <xan_IT> where is support?
Feb 23 20:14:48 <pfn> use google to find out
Feb 23 20:15:41 <koopdi> adb appears in expected place after updating. :)
Feb 23 20:17:41 <pfn> then it wasn't installed, or you/something else deleted it
Feb 23 20:17:52 <xan_IT> old version are eclipse and inapp works perfectly. i port source in Astudio and i receive this error
Feb 23 20:19:05 <pfn> use the same version of google play services then
Feb 23 20:19:39 <xan_IT> inapp use only a file AIDL
Feb 23 20:19:46 <xan_IT> and i use same file V3
Feb 23 20:27:18 <vigilancer> anyone using Firebase? is it worth to try? after Parse I'm kinda paranoid about external services
Feb 23 20:27:21 <koopdi> Is there a setting to change which version of adb is being used? I just see the SDK path setting, assuming it looks for it under platform tools, then /usr/bin...is that right?
Feb 23 20:28:22 <vigilancer> koopdi: what do you mean by 'version'?
Feb 23 20:28:42 <koopdi> system vs the one that android studio includes
Feb 23 20:29:49 <vigilancer> koopdi: you mean which sdk path to use really
Feb 23 20:30:05 <koopdi> is that what I'm asking?
Feb 23 20:31:10 <orbyt_> vigilancer: im probably gonna be using Firebase on another project as we were using Parse before the shutdown.
Feb 23 20:31:21 <orbyt_> will probably be using App Engine as well
Feb 23 20:34:08 <vigilancer> orbyt_: is it so much speed up development that you gonna take the risk or there is no risk at all since google promoting it?
Feb 23 20:35:15 <nzt> do I get my own VPS for my apps to use or do google have something you can use as an online database for users or similar? (for an online high score list for a game for example)
Feb 23 20:36:13 <nzt> I mean, should I set up my own VPS somewhere or can I use some kind of google service?
Feb 23 20:36:40 <orbyt_> vigilancer: Things like a user system pretty easy to implement with Firebase, similar to Parse. Not worried much about risk, but have learned from Parse to write wrappers around all the methods so you dont get tied into the ecosystem.
Feb 23 20:36:45 <orbyt_> are*
Feb 23 20:37:15 <orbyt_> Though depending on what you need, and if you have the time to learn it, I would checkout App Engine
Feb 23 20:39:18 <kjenkins> hey so with volley, how do i set headers for JsonObjectRequest
Feb 23 20:39:38 <kjenkins> getHeaders is never called
Feb 23 20:45:16 <ghostmoth> We want to encrypt some files our app uses so that users can save onto SD cards. Are there any good libraries to help with this? My google-fu is weak today.
Feb 23 20:53:12 <nzt> so GC suck on android? how does that affect your coding?
Feb 23 21:05:54 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/keepshare/blob/master/src/main/scala/com/hanhuy/android/keepshare/PasswordGeneratorFragment.scala
Feb 23 21:05:57 <pfn> weee, my new password generator
Feb 23 21:07:23 <Zharf> I feel claustrophobic when I read your code :P
Feb 23 21:07:32 <Zharf> I can't breathe!
Feb 23 21:07:43 <pfn> Zharf, yeah, it's a bit dense, I want to lighten it up a bit
Feb 23 21:08:17 <g00s> huh, did leveldb drop android support because bionic is not POSIX compliant ?
Feb 23 21:09:00 <g00s> and their github page now says "Contribution requirements: POSIX only. We generally will only accept changes that are both compiled, and tested on a POSIX platform - usually Linux."
Feb 23 21:09:52 <pfn> that's not saying much
Feb 23 21:10:00 <pfn> bionic is, for the most part, posix compliant
Feb 23 21:10:10 <g00s> for the most part = is not
Feb 23 21:10:22 <pfn> there's no reason to be posix compliant for shit like /etc/passwd
Feb 23 21:10:37 <pfn> there is absolutely no reason to implement getpwent, etc.
Feb 23 21:11:09 <g00s> its missing stuff like pthread_cancel
Feb 23 21:12:07 <g00s> and d'oh, they removed the Android make files
Feb 23 21:12:25 <pfn> pthread_cancel is bad
Feb 23 21:12:25 <s73v3r> vigilancer: it’s possible to structure your app so that the main app doesn’t know about external services like Parse or Firebase, making it easier to replace them.
Feb 23 21:12:28 <g00s> so i guess no more leveldb on android
Feb 23 21:12:28 <nunumint> pfn: your code just gave me so much to google, that I cant relax and enjoy my free time ^^ , so... thx.. I guess :D (WTF is a lazy val... )
Feb 23 21:12:44 <pfn> nunumint, lazy val is something that is initialized upon first use
Feb 23 21:13:00 <pfn> nunumint, and if you haven't seen, this is the result of said code: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Blp0mW7oc
Feb 23 21:13:04 <nzt> I don't have a tablet to test on. Not THAT important before I ship it to google play?
Feb 23 21:13:14 <pfn> nzt, not that important
Feb 23 21:13:32 <g00s> nzt whats an android tablet :P
Feb 23 21:14:50 <nzt> "Before you distribute your application, you should thoroughly test the release version on at least one target handset device and one target tablet device."  from d.android.com
Feb 23 21:15:59 <nunumint> It looks pretty nice. And thx for the info on lazy, there will be enaugh to google for me without that. =)
Feb 23 21:16:33 <pfn> nunumint, not important at all if you do java+android, but if you want to try something different, or a more functional approach to programming android, yeah
Feb 23 21:19:49 <xan_IT> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35588390/how-can-i-resolve-purchaseerrortype-3-subtype-0-on-getbuyintent
Feb 23 21:20:03 <Ologn> nzt, you can test on AVD tablets in Studio, as well as launch tablet AVDs
Feb 23 21:20:13 <pfn> and color-me-lazy, I do all my layouts in code lately, no xml
Feb 23 21:22:26 <nzt> Ologn: but that's not an actual device (as d.android.com urge you to use)"
Feb 23 21:23:19 <Ologn> nzt, you can put it in beta testing and download it on a tablet at a Verizon store, or Best Buy
Feb 23 21:25:14 <pfn> get a tablet if you care, run it on an avd if you care, but it really doesn't matter too much
Feb 23 21:25:31 <nzt> Ologn: lol! Not a bad idea!
Feb 23 21:25:45 <nzt> Ologn: so you mean that I should go to the store, use one of their tablet and download my app?
Feb 23 21:26:00 <Ologn> nzt, whenever I walk into a Sprint/ATT/Verizon store I download one of my apps and test it
Feb 23 21:26:17 <nzt> lol! Why?
Feb 23 21:26:38 <Ologn> nzt, to make sure they look good and work good on all types of phones
Feb 23 21:28:42 <nzt> so what kind of apps do you guys do?
Feb 23 21:29:25 <g00s> from the Google protobuf docs "One key feature provided by protocol message classes is reflection. " ... but is this /java/ reflection ?
Feb 23 21:30:08 <Ologn> nzt - mass market, ad supported non-game apps
Feb 23 21:31:09 <Ologn> I just wanted to make the text size of a text view be as big as it could be...that wasn't easy
Feb 23 21:31:26 <s73v3r> nzt: It’s not that important to test on a tablet, but don’t claim tablet support if you dont'
Feb 23 21:31:58 <nzt> Ologn: mass market, ad supported non-game apps .. what would any of those be? :p
Feb 23 21:32:11 <nzt> Ologn: is it paying off?
Feb 23 21:32:25 <Ologn> nzt I made over $10,000 last year
Feb 23 21:32:36 <g00s> hm seems not
Feb 23 21:33:09 <nzt> Ologn: congrats! As a solo-developer?
Feb 23 21:33:15 <Ologn> nzt, yes
Feb 23 21:34:27 <nzt> good job
Feb 23 21:34:36 <nzt> is it your only job?
Feb 23 21:34:44 <Ologn> nzt, no I consult
Feb 23 21:34:51 <nzt> k
Feb 23 21:38:09 <wavis> I'm looking for someone in the bay area to do part time contract work with me on a new project. pm me for deets.
Feb 23 21:38:26 <pfn> wavis, see topic
Feb 23 21:39:09 <wavis> pfn I see. the last part was cut off for me.
Feb 23 21:39:55 <wavis> is there another channel for networking or offtopic?
Feb 23 21:46:04 <grekkos> c
Feb 23 21:46:10 <grekkos> ignore that.
Feb 23 21:46:57 <luist> hey guys… im getting null in getActivity() after resetting my app with: http://paste.ofcode.org/39wsnqWnPYLYE7PQ9eGPiHR  can anyone help me?
Feb 23 21:47:57 <nzt> wavis: join ##c it's the channel you are looking for
Feb 23 21:48:41 <Zharf> nzt, -.-
Feb 23 21:48:57 <nzt> :D
Feb 23 21:49:23 <wavis> punkd :/
Feb 23 22:35:47 <vigilancer> orbyt_: why App Engine and not AWS Elastic Beanstalk?
Feb 23 22:38:09 <orbyt_> vigilancer: Well if you were looking at Firebase, its owned by Google and you can tie it into App Engine. App Engine also integrates with Android Studio. Pretty similar to AWS as far a PaaS's go. App Engine has terrible documentation though.
Feb 23 22:42:27 <koopdi> Setting up SDK controller for touch input passthrough...How can I change the "Touch screen type" setting in AVD manager
Feb 23 22:42:41 <koopdi> I don't see an option for it
Feb 23 22:44:05 <vigilancer> orbyt_: and Google have terrible support as far as I know
Feb 23 22:44:42 * orbyt_ shrugs
Feb 23 22:45:15 <grekkos> does anyone know why ContentProvider's getContext() "may produce null point exception?" is it just because in the constructor it will produce NPE and maybe it's annotated as @Nullable? I'm trying to get rid of some warnings...
Feb 23 22:45:39 <grekkos> sorry it will *return* null in the constructor, not produce npe
Feb 23 22:45:49 <vigilancer> just thinking aloud :)
Feb 23 22:46:00 <orbyt_> Haven't had to contact them for support really. Just don't like their user interface for managing your projects, way over complicated imo @ vigilancer
Feb 23 22:48:03 <koopdi> the docs also suggest to start the emulator with "-screen multi-touch", though I can't figure out how to do that fromthe command line
Feb 23 22:48:54 <g00s> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E2lNBM38IE
Feb 23 22:48:55 <koopdi> I found the path to emulator but it gives a fatal error:$ ./emulator -avd foo emulator: ERROR: This AVD's configuration is missing a kernel file!!
Feb 23 22:51:06 <g00s> nice BottomSheetDialog ;)
Feb 23 22:52:34 <vigilancer> support-vector-drawables, yay
Feb 23 22:54:14 <g00s> hm empty http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2016/02/android-support-library-232.html
Feb 23 22:54:40 <g00s> hoping recyclerview has wrap_content in this release, as well as nested fragment fixes
Feb 23 22:55:20 <koopdi> can someone tell me how to start emulator from command line?
Feb 23 22:55:40 <Chainfire> I love it when Gradle takes down my system :X
Feb 23 22:56:00 <s73v3r> koopdi: I belive you use the avd command
Feb 23 22:56:11 <grekkos> how does the compiler handle string concatenation? I read something about a StringBuilder being created for you, is that accurate?
Feb 23 22:56:30 <koopdi> I got a strange error -- ERROR: This AVD's configuration is missing a kernel file!!
Feb 23 22:56:38 <s73v3r> recreate it
Feb 23 22:57:12 <koopdi> it's fine
Feb 23 22:57:27 <koopdi> i think...it runs from avd fine
Feb 23 22:57:29 <s73v3r> it’s missing a kernel file
Feb 23 22:57:53 <koopdi> okay, will try that
Feb 23 22:58:00 <koopdi> could it be a path issue?