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Mar 07 03:11:04 <yonatankoren> Hey guys, I'm having some issues with TextInputLayout... I have a horizontal Linearlayout which has two TextInputLayouts side by side, and that's within a vertical linearlayout with more TextInputLayouts. So when I hit enter after completing the first side-by-side input, it skips the one it is next to and goes to the one below it
Mar 07 03:11:36 <yonatankoren> And I'm really not sure how to control this via xml... The properties for TextInputLayout don't look like they have anything to do with this
Mar 07 03:11:42 <yonatankoren> is anyone here familiar with this?
Mar 07 03:13:23 <smgs> test
Mar 07 03:15:29 <pfn> there is a focus order xml attribute
Mar 07 03:16:57 <yonatankoren> pfn: Off the top of your head do you know what it's called?
Mar 07 03:17:18 <yonatankoren> I'll try googling again
Mar 07 03:18:14 <yonatankoren> okay it's nextFocusDown/Left/Up whatever
Mar 07 03:25:14 <yonatankoren> yep it was nextFocusDown that I was looking for. Thanks pfn
Mar 07 03:25:29 <RustyShackleford> seriously? These dickheads want me to work on sunday night?
Mar 07 03:27:24 <gordon_> yes
Mar 07 03:28:38 <RustyShackleford> one small thing turned into a few. They keep piling it on now
Mar 07 03:29:06 <RustyShackleford> i'm about ready to give my manager my keycard and laptop tomorrow morning
Mar 07 03:29:33 <g00s> RustyShackleford have a job lined up ?
Mar 07 03:29:49 <RustyShackleford> nope :(
Mar 07 03:29:55 <RustyShackleford> i'm not gonna do that, just talkin' shit
Mar 07 03:30:17 <g00s> btw, thats everyone's universal fantasy
Mar 07 03:30:25 <Leeds> my boss has vanished again, our web designer is due to have a baby approximately this week...
Mar 07 03:30:49 <RustyShackleford> it would feel soooo good right now
Mar 07 03:30:52 <g00s> Leeds coincidence ... ?
Mar 07 03:31:17 <Leeds> g00s: I really really think so, except in terms of timelines - he's been mostly-vacant for long enough for that to happen
Mar 07 03:32:43 <justJanne> I wonder where you are, RustyShackleford
Mar 07 03:33:17 <justJanne> Cause in most of the EU, they'd have to pay you thrice your wage to make you work Sunday night, and give you the whole day after off.
Mar 07 03:34:15 <g00s> justJanne lol, this is sparta ^H^H^H^H^H US
Mar 07 03:34:35 <RustyShackleford> justJanne: USA
Mar 07 03:34:36 <g00s> wage theft is a thing here
Mar 07 03:34:40 <justJanne> :/
Mar 07 03:34:46 <RustyShackleford> i'm salaried, so no extra
Mar 07 03:35:36 <justJanne> Hm. Which state? Cause I know at least NY has some regulations on employment there.
Mar 07 03:35:42 <RustyShackleford> IL
Mar 07 03:35:53 <RustyShackleford> its safe to say that my jimmies are rustled
Mar 07 03:36:02 <justJanne> Yup.
Mar 07 03:36:27 <RustyShackleford> they could have at least told me earlier in the day
Mar 07 03:36:34 <RustyShackleford> I have a 730 am meeting tomorrow
Mar 07 03:36:41 <justJanne> Ouch.
Mar 07 03:36:59 <justJanne> When are you going to sleep?
Mar 07 03:37:06 <justJanne> Not at all?
Mar 07 03:37:22 <g00s> RustyShackleford but i think some of this you are bringing upon yourself ...
Mar 07 03:37:39 <RustyShackleford> g00s: how so?
Mar 07 03:37:48 <g00s> you haven't said NO
Mar 07 03:37:55 <RustyShackleford> excellent point
Mar 07 03:38:08 <RustyShackleford> i dunno, new guy. wtf am I supposed to do, they've all been here longer
Mar 07 03:38:16 <g00s> man i hated it, past employer - my manager would send emails like 2 or 3 am ...
Mar 07 03:38:22 <justJanne> (Is IL a "at will employment" state?)
Mar 07 03:38:33 <Leeds> this may be a silly thing to say, but "I've got plans with my wife/buddies/family/etc" is likely to go down a lot better than "NO" :)
Mar 07 03:38:41 <g00s> hated that because, its like "i'm working at 2am, so should you"
Mar 07 03:38:53 <g00s> Leeds NO
Mar 07 03:39:15 * Leeds whips g00s back into line
Mar 07 03:39:18 <g00s> no need to make white lies (that later backfire). its just ... NO i'm not working overtime ;)
Mar 07 03:39:23 <justJanne> Fun fact: VW turns off their email server between 6pm and 8am
Mar 07 03:39:34 <RustyShackleford> how about "Nope I cant. i'm sitting my ass drinking a beer because its sunday night"
Mar 07 03:39:35 <justJanne> To prevent managers from doing that.
Mar 07 03:39:56 * g00s throws bacon Leeds way
Mar 07 03:40:07 <Leeds> HAVING DINNER WITH MY WIFE BACON!
Mar 07 03:40:12 <yonatankoren> lol hi RustyShackleford, I think I saw some context of this convo from #programming
Mar 07 03:40:27 <RustyShackleford> i'm bitching at whoever will listen
Mar 07 03:40:32 <RustyShackleford> in between compile cycles
Mar 07 03:40:46 <g00s> bitch to your boss :)
Mar 07 03:40:57 <Leeds> I have so little work to do that I've decided to reimplement our old PHP site in django, just for the sake of practice
Mar 07 03:41:09 <RustyShackleford> I think its just the culture here. My boss won't have any sympathy, she works crazy hours too
Mar 07 03:41:19 <g00s> Leeds aw come on, not node.js ? :)
Mar 07 03:41:24 <justJanne> I was told to implement e2e crypto.
Mar 07 03:41:26 <Leeds> g00s: bugger that
Mar 07 03:41:31 * yonatankoren raises glass
Mar 07 03:41:31 <dragorn> every job has a few crunch times, i figure most jobs earn a few a year
Mar 07 03:41:40 <dragorn> but when the entire job is crunch time, someone doesn't know how to plan
Mar 07 03:41:40 <yonatankoren> to one of Leeds or g00s
Mar 07 03:41:40 <justJanne> I accidentally reinvented DHE, without ever having read about it.
Mar 07 03:41:57 <justJanne> Well, I could have just used a lib now >_>
Mar 07 03:42:02 <Leeds> I should point out that it's almost noon on Monday here, not Sunday evening
Mar 07 03:42:14 <loke> Leeds: Is your wife called Bacon?
Mar 07 03:42:21 <Leeds> loke: NO WIFE
Mar 07 03:42:28 <g00s> no bacon either :P
Mar 07 03:42:33 <Leeds> NO BACON EITHER
Mar 07 03:42:35 <g00s> poor leeds
Mar 07 03:42:44 <yonatankoren> Leeds: aren't you a programmer? Where is your growler? fill it up with beer whatever day it is
Mar 07 03:42:53 <yonatankoren> raise the glass and drink it
Mar 07 03:42:55 <Leeds> my... growler?
Mar 07 03:43:09 <Leeds> NO PETS
Mar 07 03:43:26 <yonatankoren> Leeds: its a device which turns beer into code
Mar 07 03:43:27 <RustyShackleford> you won't have a bet anymore if you fill it up with beer
Mar 07 03:43:34 <RustyShackleford> *pet
Mar 07 03:43:39 <loke> Leeds: What are you having for lunch today?
Mar 07 03:44:18 <Leeds> loke: the missus left me some salad (well, lettuce) in the fridge, and I've got some snacky bread things around... mostly that, probably
Mar 07 03:44:23 <Leeds> you?
Mar 07 03:44:49 <loke> Leeds: Don't know yet. Perhaps some japenese Udon, or perhaps Yong Tau Foo?
Mar 07 03:45:37 <Leeds> I'm cutting back on the Japanese food slightly, after 10 days in Japan :) that said, dinner last night was tofu salad with a sashimi chaser
Mar 07 03:46:36 <yonatankoren> Leeds: I'm very jealous of you, I wish I could visit Japan right now
Mar 07 03:46:38 <loke> Actually, I might go for some Nasi Padang, if I'm feeling hungry by lunchtime.
Mar 07 03:46:53 <Leeds> yeah, yeah, Singapore is great for food :P
Mar 07 03:46:56 <justJanne> Hmm, I guess I'm gonna eat "whatever the uni cafeteria or one of the restaurants in the same building sells"
Mar 07 03:47:10 <loke> justJanne: What country you in?
Mar 07 03:47:18 <justJanne> GER
Mar 07 03:47:30 <yonatankoren> justJanne: How expensive is food at your uni?
Mar 07 03:47:35 <loke> So, Schnitzel then?
Mar 07 03:47:54 <Leeds> to be fair, my neighbourhood is actually pretty good for food, at least for selection... got lots and lots of choices within 10-15 minutes walk
Mar 07 03:47:55 <justJanne> Students usually 2.40, but up to 3.60 ($)
Mar 07 03:47:58 <loke> Or pizza? I've had some great pizza in germany.
Mar 07 03:48:05 <Leeds> mm, haven't had a nice schnitzel in ages
Mar 07 03:48:07 <yonatankoren> justJanne: and what does that buy you?
Mar 07 03:48:10 <justJanne> Well, I'll have to choose.
Mar 07 03:48:26 <yonatankoren> justJanne: I'm in Canada... a meal here costs around $10 CAD
Mar 07 03:48:32 <yonatankoren> well in my uni
Mar 07 03:48:38 <justJanne> They always have 5 different meals, plus types of salad, pizza, noodles, bratwurst, schnitzel and so.
Mar 07 03:48:42 <yonatankoren> so it's best to cook your own
Mar 07 03:48:47 <loke> Leeds: To be fair, I don't eat meat since 1999, so I wouldn't eat that schnitzel :-)
Mar 07 03:48:58 <yonatankoren> +1 to loke
Mar 07 03:49:06 <loke> yonatankoren: Woah. 10$
Mar 07 03:49:10 <justJanne> (Vegetarian since 2012 or so here)
Mar 07 03:49:10 <Leeds> I eat very little red/white meat, quite a lot of fish
Mar 07 03:49:15 <justJanne> So no schnitzel either.
Mar 07 03:49:24 <loke> That's as bad as my old country of Sweden
Mar 07 03:49:35 <yonatankoren> loke: are you Yung Lean?
Mar 07 03:49:38 <RustyShackleford> schnitzel always reminds me of blazing saddles
Mar 07 03:49:46 <g00s> Leeds fish are disappearing, then what ?
Mar 07 03:49:47 <loke> yonatankoren: what's that?
Mar 07 03:49:58 <justJanne> Something I always found funny is that we have only one Starbucks in my city, and that's not profitable.
Mar 07 03:49:58 <yonatankoren> loke: lol google it
Mar 07 03:50:07 <Leeds> 2 tofu salads - one each for me and the missus - plus a small salmon sashimi, cost around US$10-$11
Mar 07 03:50:12 <justJanne> Because a local brand has completely saturated the market for that.
Mar 07 03:50:27 <justJanne> Leeds: sounds nice.
Mar 07 03:50:29 <Leeds> g00s: I assume most of my salmon is farmed already
Mar 07 03:50:34 <loke> yonatankoren: Never heard of him
Mar 07 03:50:47 <loke> Leeds: HK$?
Mar 07 03:51:13 <Leeds> loke: $25 each for the salads, $35 ish for the sashimi
Mar 07 03:51:35 <justJanne> So many different currencies, we might as well use gold-plated latinum for comparison here.
Mar 07 03:51:59 <Leeds> HK$ is pegged to US$, so it's a straight conversion
Mar 07 03:52:29 <Leeds> anyway, I should go do some pointless python programming before lunch :)
Mar 07 03:52:40 <loke> Not bad. A Yong Tau Foo (it's a full lunch) is around 7$ here.
Mar 07 03:52:45 <loke> SG$ that is
Mar 07 03:52:51 <loke> 7 SGD is 40 HKD
Mar 07 03:53:00 <yonatankoren> Leeds: may you django with the python
Mar 07 03:53:19 <Leeds> depending on what I get, my lunch here is typically HK$40-$100 or so
Mar 07 03:53:24 <yonatankoren> Leeds: i meant something more like, tango with the django
Mar 07 03:53:37 <konk3r> Does anyone know of a good IRC client for OS X? I'm really not enjoying Textual
Mar 07 03:53:40 <loke> Leeds: OK, that's very expeinsive lunch
Mar 07 03:53:47 <Leeds> yonatankoren: and may all your whitespace be significant :)
Mar 07 03:54:11 <yonatankoren> konk3r: you could try weechat
Mar 07 03:54:20 <Leeds> loke: e.g. there's an Indian place near here that does a lunch set, $65ish, rice, bread, salad, one curry of choice
Mar 07 03:54:22 <yonatankoren> Leeds: I dont get it lol sorry
Mar 07 03:54:43 <loke> Leeds: How's the Indian food in HK?
Mar 07 03:54:53 <konk3r> yonatankoren: Will do, so long as it doesn't disconnect me every 30 minutes I'll be happier with it
Mar 07 03:55:13 <Leeds> yonatankoren: the thing that everyone knows about Python, even when they don't know anything about Python, is that it uses whitespace (indentation) for code blocks, rather than brackets/braces/etc
Mar 07 03:55:18 <justJanne> konk3r: try setting up your own quassel core and use a quassel client?
Mar 07 03:55:43 <justJanne> It's a client/bouncer combination that deals a lot more gracefully with network outages.
Mar 07 03:56:17 <Leeds> loke: not bad - a lot is Nepalese-influenced, from the Gurkhas who survived the colony... the south indian stuff in Singapore is better... mmm... dosa...
Mar 07 03:56:19 <konk3r> Oh cool
Mar 07 03:56:25 <justJanne> Requires: a client system (win/linux/osx/web/Android/iOS), and a server (win/Linux)
Mar 07 03:56:44 <Leeds> hmm... now I'm tempted to go on a dosa hunt for lunch, since I don't have much else to do :)
Mar 07 03:58:10 <yonatankoren> konk3r: works great for me. Better yet look into a bouncer
Mar 07 03:58:38 <yonatankoren> Leeds: Oh, I wasn't really thinking about that
Mar 07 03:59:29 <loke> Leeds: Nepalese food is pretty nice though. I only know of a single nepalese restaurant in SG
Mar 07 04:00:43 <Leeds> there's a 'government cooked food center' just around the corner from here - think pale imitation of a proper hawker center - which has a few Chinese (noodle/dumpling) places, a Thai/Vietnamese place, a Nepalese place, and a slightly posh Italian
Mar 07 04:01:04 <Leeds> that's my nearest curry shop
Mar 07 04:04:06 <konk3r> So I'm starting to like the idea of the actionbar being an activity feature less and less
Mar 07 04:08:31 <yonatankoren> I use curry with all my legumes
Mar 07 04:08:45 <yonatankoren> Except maybe beans but I haven't done those too much
Mar 07 04:09:38 <Leeds> good point, I do have some ready-meal dhal in the kitchen...
Mar 07 04:09:45 <konk3r> Is there anything lost if you just directly communicate with a toolbar to set the title instead of calling activity.setTitle()?
Mar 07 04:11:08 <pfn> ni
Mar 07 04:13:16 <loke> konk3r: As opposed to what?
Mar 07 04:14:19 <konk3r> You can call `activity.setTitle(title)` after calling `setSupportActionBar(toolbar)`, or you can just call `toolbar.setTitle(title)`
Mar 07 04:15:26 <konk3r> With a MVP architecture focussed on custom views it makes more sense for the activity to not have anything to do with the views after it sets them up IMO
Mar 07 04:43:35 <RustyShackleford> dagger2 is pretty awesome
Mar 07 04:43:51 <RustyShackleford> I was going to implement it the hard way first
Mar 07 04:44:34 <RustyShackleford> its so much easier than trying to pass around an Application context to eventually get to my SqliteOpenHelper
Mar 07 04:59:15 <MonsterAbyss> Hello friends I am tryin to include some libraries in my app but I am getting some errors pastebin.com/D7FzS6jF
Mar 07 04:59:25 <MonsterAbyss> Can anyone help me fix it
Mar 07 05:03:47 <gordon_> konk3r: if you're using toolbar you dont set title to activity afaik
Mar 07 05:04:12 <gordon_> RustyShackleford: yeah, adding each class to component...
Mar 07 05:04:17 <RustyShackleford> I'm using RxJava. I get the impression you can chain a bunch of observables together, but I've got now idea how to do this
Mar 07 05:04:46 <konk3r> I've been wanting to make the switch over to Dagger 2 but I haven't wrapped my head around components yet
Mar 07 05:04:50 <RustyShackleford> Basically I want to make some network calls, cache the data from the responses in a database
Mar 07 05:05:20 <RustyShackleford> there are a few API's involved. I want to just sync everything and be notified when its done
Mar 07 05:06:00 <konk3r> Do you need to wait for the database to be updated before sending the info to your UI?
Mar 07 05:07:08 <MonsterAbyss> Hello friends I am tryin to include some libraries in my app but I am getting some errors pastebin.com/D7FzS6jF
Mar 07 05:07:51 <RustyShackleford> 1) give me the data you have cached (if any), 2) fetched the data and write it to the database, 3) notify me when you have new data
Mar 07 05:07:58 <RustyShackleford> konk3r: ^
Mar 07 05:09:23 <konk3r> Sounds like you want to do something like `load().subscribe(this::ManageData).startWith(cache.load())`
Mar 07 05:09:55 <RustyShackleford> i'm having a hard time finding more advanced rxjava examples
Mar 07 05:10:19 <konk3r> Wait, that would try to recache your cache hits
Mar 07 05:10:30 <RustyShackleford> also a super cool library that i've barely wrapped my head around
Mar 07 05:10:50 <konk3r> Rx takes a long time to really understand
Mar 07 05:11:00 <konk3r> It's amazing once you do though
Mar 07 05:11:10 <RustyShackleford> well update the data we have cached if it has changed
Mar 07 05:11:38 <konk3r> Functional reactive programming is just such a huge paradigm shift from normal old object oriented development
Mar 07 05:11:51 <RustyShackleford> saw a video that recommended this for a more responsive feeling app. They didn't really share the implementation details though
Mar 07 05:11:55 <RustyShackleford> android dev summit talk
Mar 07 05:12:01 <RustyShackleford> I'm slowly figuring it out
Mar 07 05:12:45 <Herculezz> if anyone could take a look at and help me quick with this gson.fromJson issue i would be greatly appreciative http://pastebin.com/YL2QUcp6
Mar 07 05:14:25 <RustyShackleford> konk3r: I like it a lot
Mar 07 05:14:37 <MonsterAbyss> Hello friends I am tryin to include some libraries in my app but I am getting some errors pastebin.com/D7FzS6jF
Mar 07 05:15:09 <justJanne> Hey, is this normal?
Mar 07 05:15:36 <justJanne> When my android devices have network traffic, they make a quiet high-pitched sound.
Mar 07 05:15:42 <justJanne> Only during use of wifi,
Mar 07 05:16:00 <konk3r> Herculezz: You're telling Gson to expect your object class
Mar 07 05:16:03 <justJanne> And it occurs on Moto g, Moto g2, Nexus 7 '12, Nexus 7 '13
Mar 07 05:16:12 <konk3r> But it's actually receiving an array of your object class
Mar 07 05:16:22 <justJanne> I only noticed now because it's never been this quiet before.
Mar 07 05:16:55 <Herculezz> hmm konk3r how would i fix that? what part of my code am i messing up on hehe :P
Mar 07 05:17:39 <konk3r> `jsonModel = gson.fromJson(reader, JSonModel.class);`
Mar 07 05:19:00 <justJanne> Also, you shouldn't use a specific jsonmodel, but either @expose/@hide annotations or your own type adapter.
Mar 07 05:19:14 <justJanne> @serializedname is also useful.
Mar 07 05:19:28 <konk3r> Herculezz: I haven't tested this, but it should be something like this https://gist.github.com/konk3r/f9a49e1cacf379d8b62d
Mar 07 05:20:32 <Herculezz> oh ok so i need to process an array of my JsonModels? not just put arrays inside the model?
Mar 07 05:21:29 <konk3r> Correct
Mar 07 05:21:39 <konk3r> Try that out and let me know if it works
Mar 07 05:22:29 <Herculezz> ok
Mar 07 05:23:07 <konk3r> Man, RecyclerViews are great
Mar 07 05:27:07 <Herculezz> lol, now its saying expected Begin_array but was string at line 1 column 46
Mar 07 05:29:04 <Herculezz> ahh might of got it 1 sec
Mar 07 05:36:00 <Herculezz> yep worked, I changed the element inside my model to a String then created a String[] array list in my async declared it to size of jsonModels.Size iterated through a for loop from 0 to jsonModels.Size -1 putting jsonModels.get(i).getList() into the list[i] string array
Mar 07 05:36:23 <Herculezz> thanks so much for your help konk3r
Mar 07 05:36:36 <konk3r> No worries, happy to be of help
Mar 07 05:48:10 <Herculezz> konk3r is it back practice to not use Serializedname when the declared variable is the same name as in the Json or is it ok that way?
Mar 07 05:48:17 <Herculezz> back=bad lol
Mar 07 05:48:40 <konk3r> I only use it when the name is different
Mar 07 05:48:46 <Herculezz> ok cool thanks
Mar 07 05:49:19 <konk3r> It's really useful for converting from snake_case to camelCase
Mar 07 05:49:32 <konk3r> Since snake_case is more common in json
Mar 07 05:57:09 <Herculezz> now to try and figure out why catalano's Bradley Local Thresholding is crashing my app :P oh joy
Mar 07 06:01:52 <justJanne> Btw, usually you use Gson (as opposed to Jackson or JAX JSON) because you want to serialize/deserialize the objects that you end up using directly in your app, too.
Mar 07 06:09:43 <felicianox> Where can I see how big libraries are? (the ones you build with 'compile com.etc..' in gradle). I have a small app with no resources or anything like that and the app is already around 10 megabytes.
Mar 07 06:09:55 <felicianox> Only using okhttp and support libraries for now
Mar 07 06:13:35 <felicianox> Found them in 'app\build\intermediates\pre-dexed\debug', they're only 1.2mb total.
Mar 07 06:29:14 <g00s> in AS XML editor, i have a few red circles with ! in the gutter area, but clicking on them does nothing
Mar 07 06:29:20 <g00s> ominous though
Mar 07 06:29:39 <konk3r> Have you tried cleaning your project?
Mar 07 06:29:49 <g00s> yeah
Mar 07 06:30:42 <g00s> appears next to each  android:divider="@drawable/divider_4dp"  in my layout
Mar 07 06:32:39 <pizza_planet> felicianox: Are you using proguard?
Mar 07 06:33:43 <horny-sama> g00s: 's up
Mar 07 06:33:56 <horny-sama> school work is killing my android learning time
Mar 07 06:49:25 <RustyShackleford> rx java reminds me of math class
Mar 07 06:49:32 <RustyShackleford> makes so much sense when I read the example
Mar 07 06:49:39 <RustyShackleford> then I look at my code and just stare
Mar 07 06:52:44 <horny-sama> RustyShackleford: I have never really use the math I learn in programming
Mar 07 07:00:19 <CedricBeust>  horny-sama You do, every day. You just don't realize it.
Mar 07 07:05:25 <horny-sama> CedricBeust: nowadays, I am busy with uni and stormtrooper work
Mar 07 07:18:59 <RustyShackleford> horny-sama: logical thinking
Mar 07 07:19:05 <RustyShackleford> wait you hung out in ##math?
Mar 07 07:19:08 <RustyShackleford> right?
Mar 07 07:20:55 <horny-sama> RustyShackleford, rizon or freenode
Mar 07 08:04:14 <Ashiren> yes
Mar 07 08:10:33 <Herculezz> anyone have any experience with catalano library? for me im getting the Bradley Local Threshold to crash my app on my S6, but works fine in BlueStacks and on my G Stylo?
Mar 07 08:20:58 <Odaym> hey guys, I have a function that I'm measuring by placing a timestamp at the beginning of, and a timestamp at the end of, then I'm subtracting the difference to find the speed of that function
Mar 07 08:21:32 <Ashiren> good for you
Mar 07 08:21:59 <Odaym> I get 270 ms on G4 running Android 6 and I get the same code running at 80 on pre-Android 6
Mar 07 08:22:01 <Odaym> 5 times slower!
Mar 07 08:22:22 <Odaym> I tested on G4 then again on N5 running Android 5 and Moto G running Android 5, same speed difference, 5 times
Mar 07 08:22:41 <Ashiren> is it expectable
Mar 07 08:23:06 <Odaym> what does that mean?
Mar 07 08:24:55 <Ashiren> that it is 5 times slower :O
Mar 07 08:25:11 <Odaym> exptectable
Mar 07 08:25:24 <Odaym> I tested it, what expectations are you referring to
Mar 07 08:25:30 <Ashiren> did you expect such results
Mar 07 08:25:38 <Ashiren> or were they that surprising
Mar 07 08:25:44 <Odaym> no of course not, it's audio code and I saw a huge lag since Android 6
Mar 07 08:26:15 <Odaym> it lags a lot with the app I have this code running in, to listen to the signal and then later to reach the function and inside the function it lags this period of time and then finally you see the indication in the UI
Mar 07 08:26:25 <Odaym> on pre Android 6, it's smooth as ever
Mar 07 08:26:28 <Zharf> are you using audiotrack.write in it
Mar 07 08:26:48 <Odaym> nothing of the sort, it's pure DSP
Mar 07 08:27:00 <Zharf> ah ok
Mar 07 08:27:03 <Odaym> listen > enhance > return result
Mar 07 08:27:23 <Ashiren> maybe the phone itself is slow :v
Mar 07 08:27:29 <Odaym> and the function is long, it's considerable, but it's unreal that it's that much slower on a phone that just came out
Mar 07 08:27:44 <Odaym> we tested on Nexus 5 running Android 6, that's where the issue came up
Mar 07 08:27:50 <Odaym> so we got the G4 to try ourselves
Mar 07 08:28:08 <Odaym> what about apps like RapMe or whatever, they must have suffered too
Mar 07 08:28:36 <Zharf> I do my DSP in C, so I can't relate
Mar 07 08:29:08 <Odaym> the code was C, but when I joined I was ignorant of how to have it in NDK :P so I ported the whole thing
Mar 07 08:29:47 <Ashiren> to java? x_x
Mar 07 08:29:51 <Odaym> yep
Mar 07 08:44:02 <gordon_> I've seen such code once
Mar 07 08:44:08 <gordon_> still dealing with it ;)
Mar 07 09:04:08 <Number5> Good morning fellow creatures :)
Mar 07 09:07:12 <Odaym> 6.0 brings this bug, im certain
Mar 07 09:07:22 <Odaym> it is not a code issue at all
Mar 07 09:14:55 <Ashiren> so whats in the code
Mar 07 09:15:03 <Ashiren> maybe you could get the part
Mar 07 09:17:40 <Odaym> hm?
Mar 07 09:18:02 <Odaym> it's just fft, then lost of other steps to enhance the signal
Mar 07 09:18:02 <Ashiren> you measure the whole function right?
Mar 07 09:18:16 <Odaym> yea, timestamp at the beginning and timestamp at the end
Mar 07 09:18:19 <Odaym> then the difference
Mar 07 09:18:42 <Odaym> in this G4, I'm using Tripen Profiler from Qualcomm, getting that it's used significanlty less CPU than the N5, which is normal
Mar 07 09:19:01 <Odaym> is there some way to say that I want it to give my app more processing power?
Mar 07 09:19:11 <Ashiren> a priority?
Mar 07 09:19:37 <Odaym> something like that, some directive that I can pass like largeHeap=true
Mar 07 09:19:44 <Ashiren> i dont think you can
Mar 07 09:19:46 <Odaym> ANYTHING! *sobs in despair*
Mar 07 09:19:48 <Odaym> :P
Mar 07 09:28:46 <Number5> Dear devs, what's the best solution to stream private videos only accessible by my app? For example, e-learning videos that can only be accessible by our apps using MediaPlayer, without user registrations. Do you know a popular service for that? Thank you.
Mar 07 09:30:04 <Mavrik> Is youtube private channel too problematic?
Mar 07 09:30:29 <Odaym> come on Ashiren, you can solve this
Mar 07 09:30:34 <lasserix> what do i need to do to clear the instant run on gradle so it doesn't keep just rerunning the last compile?
Mar 07 09:31:07 <Ashiren> Odaym: whats the problem? function got slow suddenly becuase they screwed up multiplication or CPU utilization
Mar 07 09:31:24 <Odaym> Im betting on cpu utilization
Mar 07 09:31:36 <lasserix> do i have to manually rebuild it each time?
Mar 07 09:31:46 <Odaym> I set setPriority() on the thread by the way, to be MAX, it got slower :P
Mar 07 09:32:15 <loke> Odaym: using setpriority() is almost always the wrong thing to do
Mar 07 09:32:28 <Odaym> Im just throwing around attempts
Mar 07 09:32:35 <Odaym> I know it isn't the issue, but what can I do
Mar 07 09:32:40 <Odaym> not sure what to query for on Google either
Mar 07 09:32:45 <Ashiren> is it in activity?
Mar 07 09:32:49 <loke> lasserix: Go into settings, and disable it
Mar 07 09:32:53 <Odaym> I keep getting links about "how to speed your phone up"; yes it's an activity
Mar 07 09:33:02 <Odaym> which runs that thread inside it
Mar 07 09:33:12 <adq> profile it
Mar 07 09:33:22 <Odaym> using what
Mar 07 09:33:26 <Ashiren> try in UI thread, i bet OS want use max cpu for ui :p
Mar 07 09:33:27 <Odaym> strace?
Mar 07 09:33:58 <adq> or the old traceview from ddms
Mar 07 09:34:04 <lasserix> loke thanks
Mar 07 09:34:08 <Odaym> so I try on UI thread?
Mar 07 09:34:11 <Odaym> I will try
Mar 07 09:34:17 <adq> no don't
Mar 07 09:34:33 <Ashiren> this is just for checking cpu utilization
Mar 07 09:34:33 <adq> why would you run an intensive task on the ui thread which does not need (assuming you said it's audio dsp) to deal with android ui component
Mar 07 09:34:52 <loke> lasserix: it's under Build/execution → Debugger → Hotswap
Mar 07 09:35:11 <Odaym> to give it priority
Mar 07 09:35:17 <Odaym> just for trial
Mar 07 09:35:20 <adq> you can do it at thread level
Mar 07 09:35:25 <loke> lasserix: Sorry. I mean Build/Exec → InstantRun
Mar 07 09:35:26 <Odaym> how?
Mar 07 09:35:29 <adq> android.os.Process.setThreadPriority(android.os.Process.THREAD_PRIORITY_URGENT_AUDIO);
Mar 07 09:35:37 <adq> just inside your run() of your thread
Mar 07 09:35:47 <adq> but that is probably not your issue
Mar 07 09:35:49 <Ashiren> soudns fishy
Mar 07 09:35:54 <adq> it's not fishy
Mar 07 09:35:54 <Odaym> oh
Mar 07 09:35:57 <Odaym> I will try it
Mar 07 09:35:57 * Mavrik slaps adq.
Mar 07 09:36:00 <Odaym> we will see
Mar 07 09:36:05 <Mavrik> Dafuq.
Mar 07 09:36:16 <adq> Mavrik, ?
Mar 07 09:36:16 <Mavrik> Don't use URGENT priority for anything that's not realtime.
Mar 07 09:36:21 <adq> he said audio dsp!
Mar 07 09:36:22 <Mavrik> You'll fuck up users calls with that.
Mar 07 09:36:25 <Mavrik> Yes, DSP.
Mar 07 09:36:27 <Odaym> it is realtime
Mar 07 09:36:30 <Mavrik> Not realtime playback.
Mar 07 09:36:30 <adq> -_-'
Mar 07 09:36:33 <Mavrik> Jesus.
Mar 07 09:36:47 <Odaym> it's realtime feedback from the UI
Mar 07 09:36:49 <Odaym> but not playback
Mar 07 09:36:52 <Mavrik> Also, stop guessing damnit.
Mar 07 09:36:58 <Mavrik> Go profile and see what takes more time.
Mar 07 09:37:08 <Mavrik> There's like 3 different CPU profilers you can use for Java.
Mar 07 09:37:08 <Odaym> I know what it is that is taking time
Mar 07 09:37:17 <Odaym> WHY it's taking time is the issue
Mar 07 09:37:24 <Odaym> because it doesn't take as much time on pre-Android 6
Mar 07 09:37:25 <adq> well fft is intensive :p
Mar 07 09:37:31 <adq> what's your window size?
Mar 07 09:37:34 <Odaym> fft is just 1 line of what I do
Mar 07 09:37:37 <Mavrik> Odaym, so pastebin the hot code?
Mar 07 09:37:38 <Ashiren> 1280x720 :v
Mar 07 09:37:52 <Odaym> the buffer is 21K elements
Mar 07 09:37:55 <Odaym> that's nothing
Mar 07 09:37:55 <Mavrik> Also, changing thread priorities for CPU related work is just dumb
Mar 07 09:37:59 <adq> ( Ashiren, FFT window is how much samples you feed the transform)
Mar 07 09:38:02 <Mavrik> You'll kill UI and other services with zero gain.
Mar 07 09:38:10 <adq> woo 21K is too much
Mar 07 09:38:33 <adq> first, use a power of 2, most fft implem works better with a power of two, and usually you don't need to go higher than 4096 which is already enormous
Mar 07 09:38:43 <Odaym> oh, sorry
Mar 07 09:38:48 <Odaym> of course it's 4096
Mar 07 09:38:58 <Mavrik> Still no code.
Mar 07 09:39:22 <Odaym> you're not going to be able to discern anything from it if you don't see the huge chunk, but here it is http://pastie.org/10749856#15
Mar 07 09:39:24 <adq> profile as we already said, you will see the bottleneck quickly, you can paste screenshot
Mar 07 09:39:41 <Mavrik> uh, that's not going to be fast.
Mar 07 09:39:46 <Odaym> that line, if you remove it, the loop that includes that function will be able to run 10 prints in 2.56 seconds
Mar 07 09:39:52 <adq> try catch is bad
Mar 07 09:39:58 <Odaym> if you add it, it will jump up to 4, 4.5, sometimes 5
Mar 07 09:40:00 <adq> try to bound in advance to be sure it does not under or overflow
Mar 07 09:40:56 <Odaym> ok
Mar 07 09:41:25 <Odaym> now those arrays that you see, Signal is 2150K elements, Kernel is 141 and Result is 21560
Mar 07 09:41:26 <adq> idk about your kmax too, but if its big it will be "(SignalLen + KernelLen - 1) * kmax" loops
Mar 07 09:41:28 <adq> which is a lot
Mar 07 09:41:43 <Odaym> is it?
Mar 07 09:41:47 <adq> also improve your looping by caching the max condition value, like int len = SignalLen + KernelLen - 1;
Mar 07 09:41:48 <Odaym> 21K elements..should be nothing
Mar 07 09:41:50 <adq> and use len in your loop
Mar 07 09:41:56 <adq> but that's minor optimizations
Mar 07 09:42:03 <Mavrik> hmm.
Mar 07 09:43:29 <Odaym> cause I started trying to remove all the lines in the function, the convolve you're seeing is the one that brings up the number of seconds to run that loop 10 times
Mar 07 09:43:32 <adq> oops i made a little mistake, it will be "((SignalLen + KernelLen - 1) * (kmax - kmin)"
Mar 07 09:43:42 <Odaym> the first call to it, with smaller arrays, does not affect the runtime
Mar 07 09:43:45 <adq> still it seems to be a lot, but convolution is very expensive too
Mar 07 09:43:46 <Odaym> but the size of these arrays
Mar 07 09:44:31 <loke> Odaym: You really should avoid having variables and method names beginning with captial letters. It confuses any reader of the code.
Mar 07 09:44:35 <Mavrik> Well it's a O(n^2) algorithm that's not optimized at all.
Mar 07 09:44:38 <adq> problem is if you don't have a better algo, you need to go jni or renderscript
Mar 07 09:44:53 <adq> yeah, even O(n*m)
Mar 07 09:44:53 <Mavrik> Also you're at the mercy of the JIT system.
Mar 07 09:44:57 <Odaym> regardless of all of this
Mar 07 09:45:04 <Odaym> same code runs lightening fast on pre Android 6
Mar 07 09:45:10 <Mavrik> If the JVM JIT decides your code isn't hot you're fsckd.
Mar 07 09:45:12 <Mavrik> Odaym, no
Mar 07 09:45:13 <Odaym> the issue is what is this OS bringing
Mar 07 09:45:22 <Mavrik> Same code runs lightening fast on another device.
Mar 07 09:45:32 <Mavrik> Don't assume all devices behave the same.
Mar 07 09:45:39 <Mavrik> Especially when they carry different SoCs.
Mar 07 09:45:54 <Odaym> it's the same exact speed on 3 devices I've tested, so Im mor prone to believe that, but yea probably you are right in some way
Mar 07 09:45:55 <Mavrik> Also they have differently tuned Dalvik/ART runtimes.
Mar 07 09:46:05 <Mavrik> Which is a huge pain for this kind of thing.
Mar 07 09:46:10 <Odaym> wait
Mar 07 09:46:16 <Odaym> ART is for 6.0?
Mar 07 09:46:18 <Odaym> right?
Mar 07 09:46:25 <Ashiren> 5+
Mar 07 09:46:37 <Ashiren> trolling is a ART
Mar 07 09:46:37 <Mavrik> Honestly using some kind of NEON accelerated library is way more sensible than trying to fix up this :)
Mar 07 09:46:46 <Mavrik> It'll be orders of magnitude faster.
Mar 07 09:46:54 <lasserix> I have a game, in the game, there's a grid. The grid can be swapped out for subgrids: think, if each "cell" in the grid represented a spell, there can be multiple subgrid types (earth spells,wind spells, etc)
Mar 07 09:46:56 <Mavrik> Also decomposing into 4 threads since you're working on multicore chips.
Mar 07 09:47:05 <loke> Odaym: how much slower is 6.0?
Mar 07 09:47:09 <loke> By how many times
Mar 07 09:47:11 <Odaym> 5 times
Mar 07 09:47:16 <adq> dang
Mar 07 09:47:44 <loke> and you benchmarked it to prove that it's this very function? And you checked that the input dimensions are exactly thew same in both test cases?
Mar 07 09:48:01 <Odaym> of course, I run the same activity on all of them
Mar 07 09:48:03 <lasserix> Suppose the user inputs into the grid the pattern (they have to combine cells in the grid to make the spell), should the output be handled by the subgrid, or the "Supergrid" that hosts all these subgrids. Right now there's a master mappings, and it just does a simple hash (grid 1, cell 1, position1 generates a hash, which is looked up to find the correct output spell)
Mar 07 09:48:06 <Odaym> same code, same everything
Mar 07 09:48:15 <Odaym> it's consistently 5 times faster on pre-6.0
Mar 07 09:48:28 <loke> Odaym: That's not an answer though. Add log messages to actually _prove_ that the input aguments are the same.
Mar 07 09:48:38 <Mavrik> Interesting find tho :)
Mar 07 09:48:43 <Mavrik> Odaym, time to learn that C :P
Mar 07 09:48:50 <Odaym> but my code is structered around the size of those inputs, they are the same
Mar 07 09:48:54 <Odaym> and I have measured before
Mar 07 09:48:56 <adq> i would have bet FFT would be more costly than your convolve algo
Mar 07 09:49:04 <Mavrik> adq, nope.
Mar 07 09:49:05 <Odaym> nah man, FFT is not much
Mar 07 09:49:43 <adq> better algo | jni | RS
Mar 07 09:49:47 <adq> i see no other choices
Mar 07 09:49:57 <adq> or if you can make a giant lookup table
Mar 07 09:50:28 <Mavrik> Also use final more.
Mar 07 09:50:38 <Mavrik> It usually prevents some dumb things for compiler
Mar 07 09:50:41 <adq> yeah that's too
Mar 07 09:51:43 <Mavrik> But that algorithm seems to be perfect fit for vector extenstions and dividing to multiple cores
Mar 07 09:52:08 <Mavrik> Running these on single cores on new phones is not that optimal since single-thread performance really varies and gets throttled quickly
Mar 07 09:55:48 <Numix> I want to send some app activity details to my web app. But I need to be sure someone is not tampering with that data and sending wrong data.
Mar 07 09:55:53 <Numix> HTTPS what else?
Mar 07 09:56:55 <Numix> What else should I use in order to make tampering hard.
Mar 07 09:58:06 <Ashiren> https/tls
Mar 07 09:58:14 <Ashiren> use whatever is designed and used for years
Mar 07 09:58:20 <Ashiren> dont invent your own crypto
Mar 07 09:59:15 <Numix> I mean what else in addition to HTTPS. Like encrypting with a key. Verifying device ID and such.
Mar 07 09:59:39 <Ashiren> ah
Mar 07 10:00:00 <Mavrik> Numix, HTTPS + certificate pinning
Mar 07 10:00:05 <Mavrik> That's the best you can do.
Mar 07 10:00:28 <Mavrik> HTTPS is "encrypting with a key" :)
Mar 07 10:02:49 <Numix> No. I mean an additional encryption like using a local chiper so that even if sniffings HTTPS(I've done that using a HTTPS proxy kinda software for web scraping) they text will still be garbled.
Mar 07 10:03:20 <p_l> Numix: PIN. THE. CERT
Mar 07 10:03:27 <p_l> then you won't sniff out the traffic :)
Mar 07 10:03:31 <Ashiren> in properly setup https, sniffing will give you garbae text
Mar 07 10:04:12 <p_l> there are cases where you want other modes of crypto, for example to authenticate the *message* not just transport
Mar 07 10:04:32 <Numix> I guess you don't know about http://freecode.com/projects/charles . It works for firefox not sure about apps.
Mar 07 10:05:15 <Numix> for Web developers that includes plain text debugging of HTTPS/SSL
Mar 07 10:05:21 <p_l> in those cases, use a reputable library and methods, do not invent your own stuff. For example, use RSA with 4k keys or IES (ECC) with 521bit keys, and AES-GCM 256bit for message
Mar 07 10:06:06 <p_l> Numix: only if you let the browser/app trust the certificate from the proxy
Mar 07 10:06:32 <p_l> that's what cert pinning is about - unless the proxy uses the same cert as your server, it won't be able to sniff it
Mar 07 10:06:51 <p_l> for extra pinning, do client-certificate pinning as well
Mar 07 10:07:11 <p_l> then you break proxies trying to send traffic to you without the actual app
Mar 07 10:12:06 <Mavrik> Numix, that's why you PIN THE CERTIFICATE
Mar 07 10:12:11 <Mavrik> Like we told you three times already.
Mar 07 10:12:21 <Mavrik> Go read up on it
Mar 07 10:12:28 <Mavrik> And then come back and fight with us :/
Mar 07 10:22:56 <Numix> Ok. Found the way to do it.
Mar 07 10:22:58 <Numix> >>> requests.get('https://kennethreitz.com', cert=('/path/client.cert', '/path/client.key'))
Mar 07 10:25:47 <Luihu> Hello, could someone help with a raelly basic thing..
Mar 07 10:26:10 <Luihu> i have used java a bit, not familiar with GUIs yet though..
Mar 07 10:26:13 <Numix> I guess most chats have a don't ask to ask. Just ask policy
Mar 07 10:26:45 <Luihu> got google's android SDK and started http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/creating-project.html
Mar 07 10:27:22 <Luihu> all the .xml´s have lot of error msgs/warnings, even though i installed the basic libraries..
Mar 07 10:27:34 <Luihu> of course the program won't run.
Mar 07 10:27:43 <Luihu> any ideas?
Mar 07 10:28:02 <Numix> Does it compile?
Mar 07 10:28:09 <Leeds> you should pastebin - or screenshot - the errors
Mar 07 10:29:13 <Luihu> well, i start to run the program, and it kind of starts, but i get literally thousands of warnings
Mar 07 10:29:50 <Luihu> the main problems the xml's inform are "rendering problems"
Mar 07 10:29:50 <barq> How can a program "kind of" start.
Mar 07 10:29:54 <Ashiren> is this android studio
Mar 07 10:30:06 <barq> Sounds like ternary logic.
Mar 07 10:30:09 <Luihu> yes, android studio..
Mar 07 10:30:42 <Luihu> kind of i mean, i expected to see a virtual device or something.. my first android experiment
Mar 07 10:31:42 <Ashiren> just give the screenshot of your android studio
Mar 07 10:31:47 <Ashiren> maybe some derp in SDK settings
Mar 07 10:33:41 <Luihu> i am not very familiar with irc, it will take some time to produce the screenshot
Mar 07 10:34:34 <Ashiren> just printscreen and use i.e. http://snag.gy/ :o
Mar 07 10:36:43 <Luihu>  thanks: http://snag.gy/wqCbI.jpg
Mar 07 10:38:54 <Ashiren> you didnt get any dialog after pressing run?
Mar 07 10:40:15 <Luihu> no, just the text rolling on and on in the bottom of the GUI
Mar 07 10:40:39 <Numix> Luihu, I recommend using pastebin.com. Just select the text of the errors and paste in the pastebin.com website and it gives you a link. Post the link here. Make looking at logs easy for every one.
Mar 07 10:41:57 <Luihu> the studio crashed ;)
Mar 07 10:42:09 <Luihu> i will relaunch
Mar 07 10:42:35 <Numix> Select text of errors and copy and paste in the pastebin.com .
Mar 07 10:42:36 <Numix> Ok
Mar 07 10:47:11 <Luihu> well, it seems to work now!
Mar 07 10:47:46 <Luihu> Seems that program reboot is the first step in windows..
Mar 07 10:49:44 <Luihu> thank you for your help
Mar 07 10:55:04 <Neepu> Hi. Can anyone please tell me how, i would make this code runnable? http://hostcode.sourceforge.net/view/4975
Mar 07 10:55:08 <Neepu> Problem is "Caused by: java.lang.Throwable: A WebView method was called on thread 'JavaBridge'. All WebView methods must be called on the same thread."
Mar 07 11:01:11 <gordon_> wish someone would create android-social-auth
Mar 07 11:01:39 <gordon_> so I could just add dependency to it and it would manage all crap with facebook, twitter, instagram, extra fancy login
Mar 07 11:03:32 <Numix> I want to detect what ad networks libraries other apps use. I used it a while ago. But I can't find it now.
Mar 07 11:03:42 <Numix> I want to detect what ads, libraries other apps use. I used it a while ago. But I can't find it now.
Mar 07 11:08:00 <mona_lisa_cat> [Overview Screen Task Title] Is possible change the label text color? Currently my app is using the android default: #000000 http://i.stack.imgur.com/O1AoD.jpg
Mar 07 11:08:21 <mona_lisa_cat> Someone can help me? Thank you in advance
Mar 07 11:08:49 <Napalm> mona_lisa_cat: no
Mar 07 11:09:06 <Napalm> change the color slightly darker and it will go to white
Mar 07 11:09:48 <mona_lisa_cat> Napalm: is automatically?
Mar 07 11:15:29 <mona_lisa_cat> Yep. Thank you ;)
Mar 07 11:21:20 <Napalm> mona_lisa_cat: one moment, someone posted a question about this someplace and i answered
Mar 07 11:23:38 <amadews> hy all have a probl i installed andoid studio but not start i am on win7 32 i set variables but nothing
Mar 07 11:23:55 <gordon_> what problem..
Mar 07 11:24:27 <amadews> i try to start Andoid studio but nothing
Mar 07 11:25:28 <Napalm> lol
Mar 07 11:26:01 <Napalm> amadews: you need the java JDK installed
Mar 07 11:26:10 <amadews> instaled
Mar 07 11:26:19 <Napalm> is it?
Mar 07 11:26:21 <Napalm> is it really?
Mar 07 11:26:24 <amadews> variables set
Mar 07 11:26:28 <Napalm> what variables
Mar 07 11:26:29 <amadews> but nothing
Mar 07 11:26:39 <amadews> java_home
Mar 07 11:26:45 <gordon_> and ?
Mar 07 11:26:48 <Napalm> paste what you use
Mar 07 11:26:52 <amadews> same not start
Mar 07 11:26:58 <Napalm> JAVA_HOME < in capitals yes?
Mar 07 11:27:02 <amadews> yes
Mar 07 11:27:12 <gordon_> windows users problems...
Mar 07 11:27:17 <amadews> no
Mar 07 11:27:19 <Napalm> gordon_: na, new issues
Mar 07 11:27:22 <Napalm> amadews: open a cmd window
Mar 07 11:27:40 <amadews> if anyone have time have teamview
Mar 07 11:27:47 <Napalm> type: printenv
Mar 07 11:27:53 <Napalm> amadews: follow what i tell you
Mar 07 11:28:05 <Napalm> now find JAVA_HOME.. what does it say
Mar 07 11:32:43 <gordon_> did you restart ? ;)
Mar 07 11:34:08 <amadews> no
Mar 07 11:37:38 <gordon_> so do it
Mar 07 11:51:05 <amadews> same and after restart
Mar 07 11:56:17 <fishguts> Hi all. I have a phone where only one of the two cameras works. I want to compile Android from the sources available for the handset and extract the camera logic from the compiled version to install on the current handset.
Mar 07 11:56:49 <fishguts> Can anyone advice me on where the camera logic is kept in the Android source? Or is it initialised individually by the Camera apps (it seems not). Thank you.
Mar 07 11:56:54 <SuperStep> Hello, I'm extending RelativeLayout for custom view item, this item has a few component. I want declare custom drawable that depends from status of item inside
Mar 07 11:57:22 <Napalm> fishguts: you want #android-root
Mar 07 11:57:32 <fishguts> Napalm: Thank you.
Mar 07 11:57:33 <Napalm> fishguts: this is app dev
Mar 07 11:58:02 <fishguts> Ah of course I see in the topic now.
Mar 07 11:58:16 <SuperStep> I'll explain
Mar 07 12:08:13 <SuperStep> ok, i have this situations:
Mar 07 12:08:26 <SuperStep> I have a class that extends RelativeLayout
Mar 07 12:08:37 <thepoosh> you wrote this
Mar 07 12:08:50 <SuperStep> that inflate a XML layout that contains a Item inside Like this:
Mar 07 12:09:18 <SuperStep> <RelativeLayout ...> <Button .../></RelativeLayout>
Mar 07 12:10:24 <SuperStep> now, when the button is in state_pressed, i want change the drawable of parent (RelativeLayout)
Mar 07 12:10:48 <SuperStep> can i do this without use the TouchListener?
Mar 07 12:13:42 <SuperStep> i make the situations clear?
Mar 07 12:31:33 <Napalm> hey SuperStep
Mar 07 12:31:48 <SuperStep> hey Napalm
Mar 07 12:32:10 <Napalm> you can just tell the parent to change its state to its children
Mar 07 12:32:11 <Napalm> 1 sec
Mar 07 12:32:23 <SuperStep> ok
Mar 07 12:34:05 <Napalm> SuperStep: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#attr_android:duplicateParentState
Mar 07 12:36:35 <SuperStep> thx Napalm
Mar 07 12:41:03 <Napalm> SuperStep: hang on
Mar 07 12:41:30 <Napalm> SuperStep: you there?
Mar 07 12:43:25 <Napalm> SuperStep: yo........ well duplicateParentState you could put on your child button and then put your click listener on the parent.. but that might not have the desired effect
Mar 07 12:44:10 <Napalm> SuperStep: you can also do it the opposite way around.. with android:addStatesFromChildren
Mar 07 12:44:23 <Napalm> which sounds more like what you want
Mar 07 12:44:24 <Napalm> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html#attr_android:addStatesFromChildren
Mar 07 12:44:47 <Napalm> but. its flaw its it does it with "all children" not just your button
Mar 07 12:45:01 <amadews> back
Mar 07 12:45:06 <Napalm> welcome back
Mar 07 13:10:05 <SuperStep> Heeki Napalm, sorry i'm back
Mar 07 13:10:08 <SuperStep> hello*
Mar 07 13:10:49 <SuperStep> i'm from italy, her it's lunchtime
Mar 07 13:12:08 <SuperStep> i need something like "duplicateChildState"
Mar 07 13:12:48 <SuperStep> because i need to set RelativeLayout drawable depending of the button
Mar 07 13:13:06 <SuperStep> when button is pressed, the parent must change apparence
Mar 07 13:15:47 <Napalm> SuperStep: read up
Mar 07 13:15:49 <SuperStep> ok, i found: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html#attr_android:addStatesFromChildren
Mar 07 13:16:04 <Napalm> SuperStep: i already mentioned that
Mar 07 13:16:06 <SuperStep> oh, sorry
Mar 07 13:16:08 <SuperStep> now i read
Mar 07 13:16:15 <SuperStep> oh thanks
Mar 07 13:16:20 <SuperStep> you fix my problem
Mar 07 13:16:52 <SuperStep> very thanls Napalm
Mar 07 13:16:58 <SuperStep> thanks*
Mar 07 13:52:35 <japro> what term should i be looking for for having an app "pause itself" (after hitting back or so)? i seem to lack the proper google words and only seem to learn about how to handle the onPause events etc. but not how to actually pause/background/unfocus the app itself
Mar 07 13:54:06 <pfn> that already happens automatically
Mar 07 13:55:04 <japro> i created a native app using sdl2 and hitting the back button doesn't have any effect (except giving me an event of course)
Mar 07 13:55:41 <japro> so i figured the app would have to explicitly relinquish focus or so?
Mar 07 13:55:53 <Zharf> if hitting back button doesn't do anything, then you're overriding onBackPressed
Mar 07 13:57:14 <japro> well i guess sdl does and gives me a input event. but there must be away to then explicitly "pause" or so?
Mar 07 13:58:57 <Zharf> calling finish() would do that
Mar 07 14:00:24 <pfn> or sendToBackground
Mar 07 14:02:45 <Zharf> what has that? o.O
Mar 07 14:04:31 <japro> hmm, oh well, i guess it's easier if i don't do this :) there is stillthe home button etc.
Mar 07 14:05:31 <Napalm> noo
Mar 07 14:05:41 <Napalm> japro: always make sure the back button works
Mar 07 14:06:54 <japro> well i'm trying to figure out how to make this work from within sdl... i guess i could just exit. but i take it that is unandroidy too
Mar 07 14:07:19 <pfn> Zharf, activity does
Mar 07 14:07:40 <Zharf> pfn, I can't find it in docs or my sdk
Mar 07 14:08:12 <japro> there is "moveTaskToBack"
Mar 07 14:08:28 <pfn> Zharf, ^^
Mar 07 14:09:00 <Zharf> well there's four letters matchign
Mar 07 14:16:46 <Napalm> japro: as pfn said.. just call finish()
Mar 07 14:27:15 <japro> ah interesting, i can just exit the "sdl app" at that point and if i forground it again it just reinitializes the main function of the sdl native part
Mar 07 15:02:56 <ktwo> should "app.iml" be checked into the repo or not?
Mar 07 15:03:05 <ktwo> it seems it changes each time i rebuild/restart AS
Mar 07 15:03:18 <Mavrik> nah
Mar 07 15:03:30 <Mavrik> Don't check in IDEA/AS files, it'll mess with peoples settings.
Mar 07 15:03:34 <Mavrik> Ignore .idea and iml
Mar 07 15:03:39 <Mavrik> Also Gradle cache and that stuff.
Mar 07 15:04:22 <ktwo> ok, thanks
Mar 07 15:04:57 <RustyShackleford> do you know of a more in depth RxJava guide or lesson?
Mar 07 15:05:12 <RustyShackleford> usually I can see a simple example and work from there. NOt with RxJava lol
Mar 07 15:05:45 <RustyShackleford> I want to use more operators being used. Also I don't totally understand what the type parameter in Obervable<SomeClass> means
Mar 07 15:06:14 <dvass> Any web admin / domain gurus here?
Mar 07 15:06:26 <dvass> I think I made an incredibly stupid mistake buying a domain.
Mar 07 15:06:44 <dvass> It was in the last stage of its life cycle before being delete and I noticd the registrar said you can renew it now, assuming it meant I could buy it
Mar 07 15:06:56 <dvass> however, I did it and now it seems it is owned by the previous owner again..
Mar 07 15:07:46 <dvass> I feel like the world's biggest idiot right now, could have waited less than month and bought it..
Mar 07 15:08:59 <RustyShackleford> haha
Mar 07 15:09:14 <RustyShackleford> thats unfortunate
Mar 07 15:09:22 <RustyShackleford> try ##web maybe?
Mar 07 15:09:24 <dvass> I'm going to cause a storm with the support department but still.
Mar 07 15:09:39 <dvass> not a channel
Mar 07 15:09:44 <dvass> tried looking for a web one but
Mar 07 15:09:46 <ktwo> Buy a different one?
Mar 07 15:09:49 <dvass> to no avail
Mar 07 15:09:54 <dvass> ktwo: I want that one
Mar 07 15:09:56 <dvass> I paid for it
Mar 07 15:10:01 <dvass> I either want my money back or own it
Mar 07 15:10:10 <RustyShackleford> ##webdev
Mar 07 15:10:13 <RustyShackleford> something like that
Mar 07 15:10:45 <ktwo> well the company you paid should refund it or not? seems logical, or ask a lawyer
Mar 07 15:11:31 <dvass> Yeah I'll try.
Mar 07 15:11:38 <dvass> Just ridiculous scenario to be putin
Mar 07 15:12:36 <RustyShackleford> a lawyer hah
Mar 07 15:12:42 <RustyShackleford> how much was the domain?
Mar 07 15:13:30 <RustyShackleford> would have to be pretty expensive for a lawyer to be wort it
Mar 07 15:14:10 <ktwo> Not necessarily, but if you have a marketing plan for your business even a 1$ domain might be worth it
Mar 07 15:14:37 <dvass> I probably won't resort to a lawyer, but if the company fails to work
Mar 07 15:14:43 <dvass> I will see if I can get a chargeback from my bank
Mar 07 15:14:59 <dvass> they're essentially committing fraud imo and then they'd have to pay for the domain
Mar 07 15:15:05 <dvass> and not sure how happy they would be to do that
Mar 07 15:15:09 <dvass> not to mention merchant costs for chargeback
Mar 07 15:20:10 <justJanne> Any good android ORMs that behave similar to Hibernate?
Mar 07 15:20:27 <justJanne> ideally using annotations and annotation processing instead of reflection or configuration,
Mar 07 15:20:35 <justJanne> and ideally requiring close to no maintenance.
Mar 07 15:21:40 <thepoosh> justJanne: check ORMLight
Mar 07 15:22:04 <justJanne> thepoosh: that is far more complicated than what I’d like to end up with :/
Mar 07 15:22:11 <RustyShackleford> it looked pretty nice
Mar 07 15:22:13 <thepoosh> sucks for you
Mar 07 15:22:23 <thepoosh> I use GreenDao and like it
Mar 07 15:22:25 <RustyShackleford> I think I'm just going to use the normal android db classes
Mar 07 15:22:35 <RustyShackleford> if I can figure how to use them with RxJava
Mar 07 15:23:12 <CedricBeust> You can start with simple stuff, e.g. wrapping cursors in observable so that each value is a row and take it from there
Mar 07 15:23:16 <CedricBeust> Baby steps
Mar 07 15:24:03 <CedricBeust> map the cursor rows into business objects, profit
Mar 07 15:25:51 <thepoosh> CedricBeust: for some reason my mind is going to "smashing the stack for fun and profit"
Mar 07 15:25:55 <thepoosh> not sure why
Mar 07 15:28:54 <thepoosh> do you know that article?
Mar 07 15:29:39 <CedricBeust> No, the profit meme comes from South Park (first time I saw it anyway)
Mar 07 15:30:32 <RustyShackleford> I was thinking I'd return a List<ModelObject>
Mar 07 15:30:46 <RustyShackleford> do more work inside the Observable definition
Mar 07 15:31:38 <CedricBeust> Up to you, really. Depends if you will be working with individual rows or the whole collection.
Mar 07 15:32:30 <Number5> Hello guys, what's a popular video streaming service for mobile (Android/iOS) to recommend to customers?
Mar 07 15:32:36 <LucaS05> hi. i'm trying to debug my app on a real device. i'm on osx using android studio and i got this "Internal IDE Error". The error is about the Android Support plugin and this is the message: http://pastebin.com/VEE5yhxZ
Mar 07 15:34:19 <LucaS05> do you have any advice?
Mar 07 15:34:36 <Number5> I know it looks like it has nothing to do with Android, but it is. As I have to develop an app to stream video for educational purpose and the problem is not really Android itself, but more how well Android's VideoView supports a certain streaming service.
Mar 07 15:35:23 <Mavrik> Number5, um
Mar 07 15:35:33 <Mavrik> Not sure if what you're saying makes sense.
Mar 07 15:35:49 <Mavrik> Streaming services have protocols, you need the protocol Android supports.
Mar 07 15:35:56 <Mavrik> You can also use ExoPlayer to get more protocols supported.
Mar 07 15:36:04 <Mavrik> Pretty much everything out there should support HLS.
Mar 07 15:37:15 <Number5> Mavrik, ok. I've never heard of HLS, I know 3gp, mp4, avi and so on. But what should I recommend to host private videos.?
Mar 07 15:37:48 <Number5> LucaS05, You have a null pointer, so it means somewhere you try to use an variable which is null.
Mar 07 15:37:53 <Mavrik> You should read up on basics of how modern video streaming works beforehand (I guess wiki would do, or at least Android media articles) :/
Mar 07 15:38:18 <Mavrik> It's easier to talk when you know those, neither of what you listed is suitable for streaming use really.
Mar 07 15:38:29 <LucaS05> Number5: i can't even run the application.
Mar 07 15:38:34 <LucaS05> it's an ide error
Mar 07 15:39:12 <bolovanos> hithere
Mar 07 15:39:37 <bolovanos> any idea how to in AndroidStuido replace all numbers in xml with: "found number" * x ?
Mar 07 15:39:38 <Number5> Ooh, well, in that case I don't know. Have you ever ran AS without errors?
Mar 07 15:39:54 <thepoosh> CedricBeust: http://insecure.org/stf/smashstack.html
Mar 07 15:40:29 <phasip> I am writing an android ndk shared library but the compiled file contains a lot of exported symbols that I don't want - eg __gnu_Unwind_Restore_VFP_D - Is there a way to avoid getting these symbols?
Mar 07 15:40:29 <thepoosh> bolovanos: try doing that in a simple text editor instead
Mar 07 15:41:56 <Number5> Mavrik, can you clarify more? I had once mp4 file streaming successful with Android's VideoView. It's not like rocket science, it's just streaming a file, in this case a video file.
Mar 07 15:43:50 <RustyShackleford> lol this will be the second fan that went bad on my laptop
Mar 07 15:46:08 <Number5> Mavrik, by the way HLS is an Apple's protocol. Anyway, thnx for trying to help me.
Mar 07 15:46:44 <Mavrik> ...
Mar 07 15:46:55 <Mavrik> You didn't even go look at "Supported formats" article on d.android.com did you?
Mar 07 15:47:20 <Mavrik> It's impossible to have a good recommendation for you if you refuse to understand the basics of what you're trying to do.
Mar 07 15:47:25 <bolovanos> thepoosh, which text ediotr and how?
Mar 07 15:47:25 <Number5> Mavrik, I just said that it's an Apple protocol, I didn't mention anything about support.
Mar 07 15:47:41 <bolovanos> thepoosh, got notepad++
Mar 07 15:47:53 <thepoosh> that is considered a very good one
Mar 07 15:48:04 <thepoosh> also you can probably write a very simple script for this
Mar 07 15:49:38 <Mavrik> phasip, set default visibility to hidden
Mar 07 15:50:08 <phasip> I am trying with -fvisibility=hidden but it does not seem to work
Mar 07 15:50:32 <phasip> Currently using "LOCAL_CFLAGS    := -g -std=c99 -Wall -Wextra -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden" but the symbols are still present
Mar 07 15:50:50 <Mavrik> phasip, hiding/exporting symbols is the task for linker, so it's an LDFLAG
Mar 07 15:50:58 <bolovanos> thepoosh, question is how to do that without further (max regex) scripting, how would you do that in notepad++?  - found this so far http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7602816/notepad-incrementally-replace, but column seems not to be the thing
Mar 07 15:51:02 <Mavrik> also symbols that have overriden visility (e.g. JNIEXPORT does that) are hidden as well
Mar 07 15:51:19 <Mavrik> phasip, if you also want to hide symbols from static libraries, add -Wl,--exclude-libs,ALL to LDFLAGS as well
Mar 07 15:51:55 <OverCoder> tl;dr, this is my question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35833636/how-do-i-make-a-separator-between-two-textviews-but-keep-them-synchronized-for-l/35833841
Mar 07 15:52:19 <thepoosh> bolovanos: I use Sublime and there's this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/24102148/1056359
Mar 07 15:52:59 <Fredi> http://pastebin.com/zd7U1qP5 shouldnt this return me a int? Or am i wrong??
Mar 07 15:53:12 <phasip> Mavrik: Awesome! Thanks
Mar 07 15:53:17 <bolovanos> thepoosh, thank you
Mar 07 15:53:19 <thepoosh> OverCoder: it seems like you need a divider in the parent and then add 2 TextViews each time
Mar 07 15:54:21 <OverCoder> thepoosh, can you emphasize a tiny bit more?
Mar 07 15:55:06 <thepoosh> yes, let's say you have a RelativeLayout that is width = match_parent
Mar 07 15:55:12 <thepoosh> and hight = wrap_content
Mar 07 15:55:18 <OverCoder> mhm
Mar 07 15:55:38 <thepoosh> and there is only one view which is a View with background=@color/black
Mar 07 15:55:58 <thepoosh> and width = 1dp and height is match_parent
Mar 07 15:56:18 <thepoosh> now there is a FrameLayout that is the TextView
Mar 07 15:56:27 <thepoosh> *2 textviews
Mar 07 15:56:34 <thepoosh> and you add them one after the other
Mar 07 15:56:47 * OverCoder thinks
Mar 07 15:57:30 <OverCoder> Well, nicks have various lengthes, and I want the vertical bar to go right as longer nicks show
Mar 07 15:57:37 <OverCoder> How's that going to happen
Mar 07 15:58:14 <thepoosh> well, my solution doesn't support that
Mar 07 15:58:28 <OverCoder> I used to have TextView-View-TextView where the first textview's width is wrap_content, this way the vertical lines scrolls on nick length
Mar 07 15:58:35 <thepoosh> you can measure the margin of the divider according to the length of the nick
Mar 07 15:58:37 <OverCoder> hmmm, okay, but thanks :)
Mar 07 15:59:18 <OverCoder> hmmm..
Mar 07 16:04:36 <Fredi> Can anyone help me?
Mar 07 16:04:55 <thepoosh> Fredi: not unless you ask a question
Mar 07 16:05:29 <Fredi> Why am i getting a nullpoint in "result = Integer.parseInt(t1.getText().toString());" ? I have declared it in OnCreate ?
Mar 07 16:05:48 <thepoosh> did you setContentView?
Mar 07 16:06:10 <Fredi> Yes, its in oncreate
Mar 07 16:06:17 <thepoosh> and if there is no text defined in the TextView t1.getText() will return null
Mar 07 16:06:33 <Fredi> I have a try incase its empty
Mar 07 16:06:38 <Fredi> I can pastebin my code
Mar 07 16:07:01 <Fredi> @thepoosh is it like this
Mar 07 16:07:01 <thepoosh> why try instead of check?!
Mar 07 16:07:49 <Fredi> Because i was reading about it and it said it can throw error? :P
Mar 07 16:07:59 <thepoosh> getText doesn't throw
Mar 07 16:08:02 <Fredi> So i should check it with if(bla !=null) ?
Mar 07 16:08:11 <Fredi> No but i convert it into integer
Mar 07 16:08:45 <thepoosh> Fredi: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/java/android/widget/TextView.java#1643
Mar 07 16:08:48 <thepoosh> it never throws
Mar 07 16:08:55 <thepoosh> unless the textview is null
Mar 07 16:09:21 <Fredi> result = Integer.parseInt(t1.getText().toString());
Mar 07 16:09:42 <Fredi> This, i got told that it can throw error if its like "abcedf"
Mar 07 16:10:03 <Fredi> How do i write to you like you did to me? is it with @name ?
Mar 07 16:11:40 <Fredi> @thepoosh http://pastebin.com/wG08i1WV
Mar 07 16:11:56 <Fredi> I know it isn't that great looking or something, but im still a newb
Mar 07 16:38:35 <yonatankoren> Has anyone here used Uber? In the sign up page they fetch some of your google profile info automatically... How do you do that?
Mar 07 16:38:53 <yonatankoren> I want to recreate something like that for my app
Mar 07 16:42:21 <g00s> doesn't GMS have stuff for that ...
Mar 07 16:43:18 <yonatankoren> Man I gotta learn to read the API docs instead of always googling
Mar 07 16:45:30 <yonatankoren> nope i still don't know how to do it
Mar 07 16:46:49 <martiallaw> is there any way to get device information via usb?
Mar 07 16:50:55 <thepoosh> g00s: morning
Mar 07 16:51:39 <thepoosh> yonatankoren: you should definitely learn to read docs and code
Mar 07 16:52:33 <g00s> heya thepoosh
Mar 07 16:52:42 <thepoosh> was an interesting day
Mar 07 16:52:49 <g00s> oh yeah ?
Mar 07 16:53:14 <thepoosh> yeah, doing some timing tasks
Mar 07 16:53:22 <thepoosh> to figure out how deep the technical debt is
Mar 07 16:54:35 <g00s> oh oh
Mar 07 16:54:39 <thepoosh> tried to convince my boss to publish our wear app to a maven repo to prevent dependency resolution hell
Mar 07 16:54:46 <thepoosh> it was a no go
Mar 07 16:54:52 <g00s> thepoosh you guys use nested fragments, every have any problems with Fragment#setTarget ?
Mar 07 16:55:02 <thepoosh> hmmm
Mar 07 16:55:08 <thepoosh> never used setTarget
Mar 07 16:55:14 <thepoosh> but we sure use nested fragment
Mar 07 16:55:20 <g00s> i'm not , but have to tread lightly with nested :)
Mar 07 16:55:41 <thepoosh> well, if you ask people like Jake, you should avoid fragments all together
Mar 07 16:55:50 <g00s> i think this is the first time i need to use get/setTarget, its funky scenario
Mar 07 16:56:01 <thepoosh> what would cause that?
Mar 07 16:56:14 <thepoosh> are you moving a fragment between parents?
Mar 07 16:56:17 <g00s> complicated but try my best to explain:
Mar 07 16:56:42 <g00s> 1) i have a nav drawer in main activity that swaps fragments in content area (basic stuff so far)
Mar 07 16:56:53 <thepoosh> k
Mar 07 16:57:01 <thepoosh> why nav drawer
Mar 07 16:57:04 <thepoosh> I hate those
Mar 07 16:57:20 <g00s> 2) one of these fragments, puts an icon in actionBar - when this action is pressed, the Gravity.END panel slides out (opposite one from navigation view)
Mar 07 16:57:37 <thepoosh> ok
Mar 07 16:58:05 <g00s> but this fragment in the other panel needs to call back to somewhere ... back to the parent? that sucks, because now the parent has to intercept that, and check which fragment is in the content area and forward on
Mar 07 16:58:06 <yonatankoren> thepoosh: for docs, you're right I need to get into the habit. I do read other people's code all the time... If I were to find an open source project that does this, I would read it
Mar 07 16:58:11 <g00s> idk seems clunky
Mar 07 16:58:35 <yonatankoren> anyways I think they're using the Plus api
Mar 07 16:58:40 <g00s> other way to do this, is have that fragment in the content area setTarget on the panel that slides out, and then they just communicate directly
Mar 07 16:59:12 <thepoosh> g00s: you can now try a bottom sheet
Mar 07 16:59:18 <thepoosh> with support 23.2
Mar 07 16:59:20 <g00s> oh i use those too haha
Mar 07 16:59:29 <g00s> i have sliding things from everywhere !
Mar 07 16:59:34 <thepoosh> that seems like a trick show
Mar 07 16:59:38 <g00s> :D
Mar 07 16:59:55 <g00s> only direction that is free of sliding things is down from ActionBar !
Mar 07 17:00:05 <thepoosh> lolz
Mar 07 17:00:16 <thepoosh> g00s: why not change the content?
Mar 07 17:00:18 <thepoosh> instead
Mar 07 17:00:21 <g00s> thepoosh do you guys in israel, put nav drawer on right or left ?
Mar 07 17:00:40 <thepoosh> I think it's to start so it allows changing if needed
Mar 07 17:00:53 <thepoosh> FYI, google's nav changes when you change the Locale
Mar 07 17:00:58 <g00s> ah thats good, thats 4.2+ if i remember
Mar 07 17:01:03 <yonatankoren> ma nishma
Mar 07 17:01:28 <g00s> thepoosh my UI is kinda like Google Drive, where they have those panes that slide out from right
Mar 07 17:01:50 <thepoosh> yonatankoren: hakol tov
Mar 07 17:02:08 <thepoosh> I don't recall that
Mar 07 17:02:29 * thepoosh checking drive
Mar 07 17:02:45 <yonatankoren> ani shekhakhti yivrit, but everything's Gucci
Mar 07 17:02:56 <g00s> thepoosh yeah, they just changed it .. but if you click the more icon for a file, then details
Mar 07 17:03:34 <thepoosh> yonatankoren: it's considered bad practice to write in a language nobody knows here, come by to #israel for more :P
Mar 07 17:04:04 <Leeds> bloody Israelis, get everywhere :)
Mar 07 17:04:14 <thepoosh> Leeds: don't get me started
Mar 07 17:04:20 <thepoosh> g00s: not happening to me
Mar 07 17:04:20 <yonatankoren> I know my limit (;
Mar 07 17:04:35 <g00s> huh
Mar 07 17:06:17 <g00s> thepoosh so you don't have a more icon on each thing in Drive ?
Mar 07 17:06:26 <g00s> wondering also how they do that menu with icons
Mar 07 17:06:34 <s3my0n> Hello
Mar 07 17:06:36 <g00s> can't be Toolbar or ActionView
Mar 07 17:06:57 <thepoosh> g00s: it's a bottom sheet
Mar 07 17:07:05 <thepoosh> s3my0n: hi
Mar 07 17:07:06 <g00s> thepoosh OH i'm on N7
Mar 07 17:07:10 <s3my0n> Anyone know how to have multiline text in PagerTitleStrip or PagerTabStrip?
Mar 07 17:07:12 <thepoosh> good for you!
Mar 07 17:07:17 <g00s> maybe for larger screens it shows side panel
Mar 07 17:07:31 <g00s> yeah guidelines don't like bottom sheets for larger screens
Mar 07 17:07:41 <g00s> they say that in a few places
Mar 07 17:08:36 <g00s> thepoosh wish as devs, we could get out hands on Google One device easily ...
Mar 07 17:09:01 <g00s> thepoosh yeah, if you look at Drive screen shots in Play Store ... you'll see the right drawer
Mar 07 17:10:45 <g00s> thepoosh have you guys picked up any cool libraries lately ?
Mar 07 17:11:33 <s3my0n> Like this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1KGTN9F1Yfc/maxresdefault.jpg but the time below date
Mar 07 17:11:58 <g00s> thepoosh yeah i see now in their play screen shots, they use bottom sheet for phone and sliding panel for tablet
Mar 07 17:12:25 <markyosullivan> Anyone know how to tint images with a black tint?
Mar 07 17:12:55 <s3my0n> My ViewPager adapter calls getPageTitle(int position), and in it I return date.toString() + "\n" + time, but that newline is ignored or replaced by a space
Mar 07 17:13:32 <markyosullivan> I've been using a nasty with of going about it, just set the background of a layout to the image and then set a layout below the image with a black background
Mar 07 17:13:38 <markyosullivan> *nasty way
Mar 07 17:13:57 <markyosullivan> I feel dirty doing it like that but it means I can put text on the picture as well
Mar 07 17:16:54 <g00s> i dont understand, why overflow menu of toolbar / action bar don't have icons ...
Mar 07 17:17:03 <g00s> that seems like such a weird thing
Mar 07 17:21:47 <markyosullivan> What you mean g00s
Mar 07 17:22:01 <g00s> toolbar overflow menu ... doesn't show icons for items
Mar 07 17:22:14 <g00s> only if they are in the toolbar itself, not in the overflow
Mar 07 17:29:23 <diphtherial> hey, i'm developing some tracking software for an academic research project (specifically for tracking how students spend their time when they're supposed to be studying)
Mar 07 17:29:47 <Leeds> yay, brain implants!
Mar 07 17:30:29 <diphtherial> i'm wondering if there's an easy way to monitor http requests without having to deal with each social media platform specifically. i'd considered using the proxy setting, but users have to configure that per-wifi-network, which is kind of annoying
Mar 07 17:30:49 <diphtherial> Leeds: it's elective; the participants are doing this because they want to be more productive
Mar 07 17:31:32 <diphtherial> alternatively, i guess tracking how long social apps are in the foreground would be a good approximation
Mar 07 17:31:40 <diphtherial> i'm not sure if there are permissions issues there
Mar 07 17:33:31 <diphtherial> apparently a previous method to do so is now deprecated: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2166961/determining-the-current-foreground-application-from-a-background-task-or-service
Mar 07 17:39:42 <Bantalon> Yello
Mar 07 17:43:44 <kozukumi> hi is there any estimate on when android studio 2.0 will release?
Mar 07 17:47:00 <Bantalon> I'm getting this error on some devices using the very same build, and not on others java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load library: soinfo_link_image(linker.cpp:1635)
Mar 07 17:47:02 <Bantalon> And the app crashes
Mar 07 17:47:12 <Bantalon> I looked into it and it seems to be a jni plugin that fails - specifically when it loans in a certain file i have
Mar 07 17:47:15 <Bantalon> but I haven o clue how to fix it?
Mar 07 17:47:23 <Bantalon> anyone who've had this same error who knows what could be oging on?
Mar 07 17:47:37 <Bantalon> haven't found anything concrete in google so far
Mar 07 17:58:21 <thepoosh> is there a way to prevent dependency resolving of flavors that are not being assembled at the moment?
Mar 07 18:02:31 <OverCoder> Would it be an overkill if I added a new layout, containing around 2 views for each message?
Mar 07 18:02:44 <OverCoder> I'd have something like 50 or 100 or even more messages, would that be an overkill?
Mar 07 18:02:54 <OverCoder> I want my app to work fluently on old devices
Mar 07 18:06:47 <g00s> kozukumi at this rate , I/O :D
Mar 07 18:07:26 <kozukumi> damn
Mar 07 18:07:27 <kozukumi> lol
Mar 07 18:08:01 <kozukumi> Just did a clean install, was hoping AS2 would come out soonish so I can delay installing :P
Mar 07 18:08:59 <Bantalon> where is the system/libs folder in an android project folder?
Mar 07 18:09:02 <Bantalon> cant find it anywhere
Mar 07 18:12:06 <g00s> "Facebook Fixes Bug That Allowed Users To Set Other Users' Passwords" lol
Mar 07 18:23:51 <missingno> should I still use GridView
Mar 07 18:28:07 <cart_man> Hey how do I get the Exception object to give me a string of the error ? I want to print it out in Log.D()  ...
Mar 07 18:28:43 <ktwo> o_o getMessage?
Mar 07 18:29:49 <missingno> Log.e(TAG, exceptionObjectItself)
Mar 07 18:31:11 <grekkos> yeah there should be a log method that just takes a Throwable
Mar 07 18:44:24 <OverCoder> How do I bind an View height to another programmatically?
Mar 07 18:44:54 <OverCoder> Basically the view we are binding to has static height, and I want the other to have the exact same height
Mar 07 18:45:54 <ktwo> OverCoder, get/set height should do it if the first one is hard coded
Mar 07 18:46:19 <OverCoder> The first one has height of WRAP_CONTENT
Mar 07 18:49:24 <herriojr> OverCoder: so why do you want them to be the same height?
Mar 07 18:49:37 <OverCoder> Long story actually
Mar 07 18:49:40 * OverCoder grabs a link
Mar 07 18:49:44 <herriojr> are they two images?
Mar 07 18:50:59 <OverCoder> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35833636/how-do-i-make-a-separator-between-two-textviews-but-keep-them-synchronized-for-l/35833841
Mar 07 18:51:07 <OverCoder> This was my problem, and I think I am solving it
Mar 07 18:52:50 <Lost> hey, anyone here familiar with building APKs on a build server?
Mar 07 18:53:00 <Lost> I'm running into a problem building a multidex app
Mar 07 18:53:04 <Lost> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35827139/building-an-android-multidex-application-using-gradle-without-android-studio-on
Mar 07 18:53:44 <herriojr> @OverCoder: someone suggested you use a TableLayout
Mar 07 18:53:55 <OverCoder> herriojr, It's not helpful
Mar 07 18:54:12 <herriojr> can you expand on that?
Mar 07 18:54:33 <herriojr> basically, what you want is the layout to treat  them as both taking up the same height in pixels, no?
Mar 07 18:54:46 <OverCoder> yes
Mar 07 18:54:48 <herriojr> or rather, the ViewGroup holding them
Mar 07 18:55:06 <herriojr> is this a list of things?
Mar 07 18:55:21 <OverCoder> Okay so what I am doing right now: Having a LinearLayout-View-LinearLayout, I add a textview to each LinearLayout with computed height to have the same height
Mar 07 18:55:24 <OverCoder> and it seems like going to work
Mar 07 18:55:29 <OverCoder> I just pressed 'Run', I'll try it
Mar 07 18:55:47 <herriojr> what I'm getting at is visually you want them to take the same space, no?
Mar 07 18:55:54 <herriojr> as in vertical space
Mar 07 18:55:55 <OverCoder> Yes
Mar 07 18:56:00 <OverCoder> Exactly
Mar 07 18:56:19 <herriojr> so they don't need the exact same size — you need a container to hold both
Mar 07 18:56:31 <herriojr> that's doable with a single LinearLayout
Mar 07 18:56:56 <herriojr> a LinearLayout which holds both textViews and the separator view
Mar 07 18:57:01 <herriojr> that is horizontal
Mar 07 18:57:01 <OverCoder> But that presents a problem, I need the divider to expand space for nicknames whenever a long nickname has a message
Mar 07 18:57:15 <herriojr> define: expand space
Mar 07 18:57:37 <OverCoder> Okay you see the SO question?
Mar 07 18:57:58 <OverCoder> Look at the second picture, what happens if somebody else says something whil ehaving a very long nick?
Mar 07 18:58:11 <herriojr> yes, it doesn't explain it's problem super well
Mar 07 18:58:12 <OverCoder> That vertical divider should scroll to the right to allow the full nickname to show up
Mar 07 18:58:58 <herriojr> ok, so you want the width to dynamically change based on the first child's width, correct?
Mar 07 18:59:13 <OverCoder> herriojr, what I am very exactly doing is an IRC client, and I want my chat window to act exactly like HexChat client does, because I like it
Mar 07 18:59:18 <OverCoder> Yes
Mar 07 19:00:15 <herriojr> did you try a RelativeLayout and have the divider be to right of the left textview and the other textView to be right of the divider + have a minWidth
Mar 07 19:00:49 <herriojr> I've not used that IRC client btw
Mar 07 19:00:55 <herriojr> but yeah, this would help with a visual
Mar 07 19:01:42 <herriojr> OverCoder: the problem is I can't visualize exactly what you're talking about
Mar 07 19:01:45 <pfn> what does hexchat do
Mar 07 19:01:50 <herriojr> which makes it difficult to help
Mar 07 19:02:08 * OverCoder rephrases
Mar 07 19:02:25 <herriojr> OverCoder: worst case, you can just create your own custom ViewGroup
Mar 07 19:02:47 <herriojr> if none of the pre-existing ones work for you
Mar 07 19:04:27 <herriojr> but ultimately, I still find the question confusing and don't completely understand what you want — if you were to provide visuals, that would help
Mar 07 19:04:57 <OverCoder> The layout consists of two list-looking strings, separated with vertical gray bar, the first list of strings contains nicknames of people, the gray divider should scroll to the right as wider the nicknames container goes, and should go left as the longest nickname disappears or gets removed, the other list of strings, should contain messages by the nick. What happens if the message wraps to multiple lines? the
Mar 07 19:04:57 <OverCoder> corresponding nickname should extend its height to the message height
Mar 07 19:06:03 <OverCoder> oh wait, I think I got it to work, I just have one bug, lemme fix it to confirm, I'll paste the solution
Mar 07 19:06:26 <herriojr> OverCoder: ok, so you have a list of chat messages
Mar 07 19:06:44 <OverCoder> Yeah
Mar 07 19:06:58 <herriojr> I don't know why the vertical bar should move to make the name more visible, that's putting too much priority over the message
Mar 07 19:07:13 * OverCoder shrugs
Mar 07 19:07:27 <herriojr> the important part is the message, the name is secondary
Mar 07 19:07:29 <OverCoder> Maybe I'd make that vetical bar user-scrollable, so the user can hard-scroll it if he wants
Mar 07 19:07:49 <herriojr> OverCoder: does it only move on a per-row basis?
Mar 07 19:07:57 <herriojr> or does it move for everyone?
Mar 07 19:08:04 <herriojr> or rather for all rows?
Mar 07 19:08:32 <OverCoder> For everyone
Mar 07 19:08:50 <herriojr> that really seems like a bad feature — it can be abused to make things unreadable
Mar 07 19:09:10 <OverCoder> What do you think I should do else?
Mar 07 19:09:26 <herriojr> keep it fixed and allow the user to click on the name to popup the full name or something
Mar 07 19:09:47 <herriojr> again, the message is the important data within the screen
Mar 07 19:10:11 <OverCoder> hmm
Mar 07 19:10:14 <OverCoder> interesting actually
Mar 07 19:10:28 <herriojr> basically, you're working with limited space
Mar 07 19:10:37 <OverCoder> Yeah true
Mar 07 19:10:40 <herriojr> you have to sort things into primary, secondary, etc. info
Mar 07 19:11:10 <OverCoder> hmmm, many thanks :)
Mar 07 19:11:13 <herriojr> np
Mar 07 19:11:38 <SimonVT> Just have the name and message in the same TextView, the message will wrap around as needed
Mar 07 19:12:04 <herriojr> SimonVT: the issue is there's a common vertical line for all rows
Mar 07 19:12:17 <SimonVT> Sounds ugly
Mar 07 19:12:50 <SimonVT> And easily fixed by simply not having that
Mar 07 19:15:02 <OverCoder> Well I use an Android client that doesn't have that bar and it overkills my eyes without that vertical line
Mar 07 19:15:25 <OverCoder> It simplifies life
Mar 07 19:15:53 <OverCoder> The client is going to be highly-customizable anyways, and most likely open-source, so it's going to be tuned as users like anyways
Mar 07 19:16:33 <pfn> and yes, it's ugly to have it
Mar 07 19:16:46 <pfn> that vertical bar
Mar 07 19:16:47 <pfn> ugly
Mar 07 19:20:23 <s73v3r> just remember that the more customizable you make something, the more variants you have to test
Mar 07 19:22:10 <OverCoder> It's how the perfect client gets born
Mar 07 19:22:24 <OverCoder> (Right?)
Mar 07 19:23:05 <saapas> anyone managed to override an AppCompat style for a pre API 21 app? I'm trying to override the style for Button, and I have a API 19 device.
Mar 07 19:24:03 <pfn> nope
Mar 07 19:24:15 <pfn> the vast array of android irc clients is a testament to that
Mar 07 19:24:29 <saapas> the irritating thing is the button style is what it's supposed to in the Theme Editor but in an emulator or on the device the style is neither the AppCompat type nor my own style.
Mar 07 19:24:49 <pfn> theme editor is useless
Mar 07 19:25:48 <g00s> i never figured out how the theme editor is supposed to help ...
Mar 07 19:25:52 <s73v3r> pretty much all of the visual editors are useless
Mar 07 19:25:57 <g00s> keep looking at it like, maybe i just don' tget it
Mar 07 19:26:26 <OverCoder> https://unsee.cc/pizabore/ -- Don't mind the bad coloring or actually don't mind the whole Toolbar too
Mar 07 19:26:40 <OverCoder> But that's the layout I am looking after, I can't see why it'd be bad, it feets nicely
Mar 07 19:26:44 <OverCoder> fits*
Mar 07 19:27:11 <s73v3r> the light blue bar?
Mar 07 19:27:16 <OverCoder> This is on my 3.5" phone's screen
Mar 07 19:27:17 <g00s> OverCoder you could use a SlidingPaneLayout ...
Mar 07 19:27:28 <pfn> not really
Mar 07 19:27:32 <s73v3r> how does it look when you have usernames of different lengths?
Mar 07 19:27:33 <g00s> what if the nick is OverCoder123456
Mar 07 19:27:46 <pfn> nick lengths are limited
Mar 07 19:28:00 <s73v3r> what if it was OvrCdr?
Mar 07 19:28:02 <g00s> usually want a timestamp there too
Mar 07 19:28:09 <g00s> or somewhere
Mar 07 19:28:15 <pfn> 16 on freenode, 30 on dalnet, etc.
Mar 07 19:28:58 <saapas> yes, it seems to me also the Theme Editor is useless.
Mar 07 19:29:01 <g00s> OverCoder i'd either use DrawerLayout or SlidingPaneLayout
Mar 07 19:29:10 <pfn> neither would work for that usecase
Mar 07 19:29:23 <g00s> saapas i remember the visual editor in ADT ...
Mar 07 19:29:35 <g00s> those things are terrible :)
Mar 07 19:29:38 <saapas> I don't. I guess I'm fortunate
Mar 07 19:29:44 <g00s> ha
Mar 07 19:30:07 <s73v3r> i don’t quite remember it either, I guess. Maybe I blocked it out of my memory
Mar 07 19:30:18 <pfn> I just never used eclipse for android dev
Mar 07 19:30:30 <pfn> shitty vim emulation, and not very good android support in general
Mar 07 19:30:44 <s73v3r> i remember trying to use that system that embedded Vim inside eclipse
Mar 07 19:30:56 <pfn> even when eclipse was the canonical android IDE, intellij was much better
Mar 07 19:31:15 <OverCoder> duh, this stupid connection
Mar 07 19:31:23 <OverCoder> So yeah people still don't like it :|
Mar 07 19:31:28 * OverCoder thinks of an alternative
Mar 07 19:31:37 <OverCoder> I think I'd make a layout for tablets and another for phones
Mar 07 19:31:42 <OverCoder> Because that'd look great on tablets
Mar 07 19:31:53 <saapas> anyway, if I want to write a style for devices older than compileSdkVersion (in build.gradle, 23 now), that should go into res/values-19/styles.xml, yes?
Mar 07 19:32:01 <pfn> no
Mar 07 19:32:07 <pfn> values-19 is 19+ only
Mar 07 19:32:22 <saapas> ok so values-18 for API 19 device?
Mar 07 19:32:39 <pfn> no, 18 for 18+
Mar 07 19:33:05 <saapas> so, I have API 19 device that I want to support, so I use values-19 for it.
Mar 07 19:33:13 <pfn> you would use values-v19, yes
Mar 07 19:33:18 <saapas> good.
Mar 07 19:33:19 <pfn> you said "older than 23"
Mar 07 19:33:24 <pfn> you never said explicitly 19
Mar 07 19:33:57 <missingno> your question sounds broad saapas
Mar 07 19:34:13 <missingno> usually you use values-x for newer apis, not older apis
Mar 07 19:34:18 <saapas> pfn, correct, although I mentioned 19 previously :)
Mar 07 19:34:27 <pfn> you didn't say 19 was your min
Mar 07 19:35:34 <saapas> pfn, correct, and it is not. my goal is to support 15, but I'm happy to do newer ones first, like 19
Mar 07 19:36:17 <pfn> just use values/styles.xml until you need a version discriminator
Mar 07 19:37:01 <saapas> I think I understand what you mean, but what's version discriminator?
Mar 07 19:37:20 <missingno> it's the -19
Mar 07 19:43:49 <markyosullivan> Anyone have an idea what the default color is for layouts using cards?
Mar 07 19:43:50 <markyosullivan> https://material-design.storage.googleapis.com/publish/material_v_4/material_ext_publish/0B6Okdz75tqQsM3ZqMmJXdjRyZk0/components_cards9.png
Mar 07 19:43:59 <markyosullivan> What's the grey color behind the cards?
Mar 07 19:49:57 <thebishop> any guesses what could explain a @javascriptinterface function not being found *for some users*?  I've seen some explanations where proguard strips a function, but i'd expect to see that in every case if that were the problem
Mar 07 19:51:45 <ktwo> thebishop, does it happen on a specific api level?
Mar 07 19:51:55 <knapper_tech> is it impossible to access GPS in an instrumented test?
Mar 07 19:52:21 <thebishop> ktwo, thanks for responding.  it doesn't look that way.  some reports have come in running 4.4.4, 5.0.1, and 6.0
Mar 07 19:55:10 <ktwo> did you try various avd images? they all worked? anything in common about those devices? (brand maybe?)
Mar 07 19:56:49 <thebishop> ktwo, not yet. just looking at crash reporting
Mar 07 19:57:14 <ktwo> whats the actual crash ?
Mar 07 19:58:00 <thebishop> ktwo, Message: $window.JSInterface.jsReporterEvent is not a function
Mar 07 19:58:17 <thebishop> ktwo, it is always this one function though, and i have about a dozen jsinterface functions
Mar 07 19:58:29 <thebishop> i don't see any commonality in platforms yet
Mar 07 19:59:35 <ktwo> can you exclude that it is being called at a point where it might not have yet been initialized?
Mar 07 20:07:47 <saapas> the style is nearly ok in a 23 emulator..
Mar 07 20:10:43 <thebishop> ktwo, don't see how that's possible.  are the interface functions initialized before the webview is created?
Mar 07 20:13:14 <ktwo> i dont know how its done internally but probably they are being written to the window object in js at some point and if its called to early it could be that its not found (just guessing) like when calling inline js
Mar 07 20:13:27 <ktwo> or is the method called via user interaction?
Mar 07 20:13:46 <thebishop> ktwo, yeah it's after user interaction
Mar 07 20:13:57 <thebishop> ktwo, so i wouldn't totally rule it out, but seems pretty unlikely
Mar 07 20:14:23 <Zunino> I've just downloaded the SDK tools on my Linux installation and used the android tool to create a HelloWorld kind of project. I'm following the tutorials on developer.android.com. The thing is the documentation on how to build the project from the command line assumes it has been generated as a Gradle project, whereas it is actually an ANT project. Is ANT the default build system when creating new
Mar 07 20:14:25 <Zunino> projects from the command line? Sorry, I'm an absolute Android newbie, having the first contact with it ever.
Mar 07 20:15:00 <ktwo> thebishop, maybe try to experiment with the avd's (like try to call the function in question inline and see if it can be called as soon as the webview is rendered)
Mar 07 20:15:42 <Zunino> Yes, I've read there's a complete IDE (Android Studio), but I'd rather do things by hand at this (learning) stage.
Mar 07 20:16:06 <thebishop> Zunino, i would advise against that, sorry
Mar 07 20:16:17 <thebishop> Zunino, android studio gradle setup is your friend
Mar 07 20:16:18 <s73v3r> Zunino: Just use the IDE
Mar 07 20:16:25 <pfn> Zunino, android create project is ant by default
Mar 07 20:16:27 <ktwo> I would use AS, it doesnt make much sense to do it by hand, you still can see the log output of AS if it is of interest
Mar 07 20:16:35 <pfn> Zunino, you can -g to get a gradle layout, but it's still pretty broken
Mar 07 20:16:50 <pfn> Zunino, if you want an effective approach at building android from commandline, use sbt
Mar 07 20:17:01 <pfn> sbt is highly optimized to work standalone (or inside of an IDE)
Mar 07 20:17:11 <Zunino> Wow, I almost feel like I've done something bad. :)
Mar 07 20:17:14 <thebishop> pfn, cool tip, thanks
Mar 07 20:17:29 <thebishop> Zunino, it's a pitfall we've all encountered ;)
Mar 07 20:17:29 <pfn> although, I've updated the created project template to be in scala now, instead of default java
Mar 07 20:17:34 <Zunino> It's just that I usually like to see how things work before I rely on automated tools.
Mar 07 20:17:46 <Zunino> You could call it OCD. :)
Mar 07 20:17:49 <s73v3r> there’s not really a whole lot to see
Mar 07 20:17:51 <thebishop> Zunino, same, but it's not automating  much
Mar 07 20:18:09 <pfn> Zunino, wanting to understand how it works is reasonable
Mar 07 20:18:54 <thebishop> Zunino, also, android project structure is pretty unfun from the command line even if the gradle setup was more command line friendly
Mar 07 20:19:40 <pfn> it's not that bad
Mar 07 20:19:50 <Zunino> Well... I guess I'll download the Android Studio and start over then...
Mar 07 20:19:52 <thebishop> pfn, it's totally fine after Android Studio does the initial work
Mar 07 20:20:29 <pfn> oh, you mean creating the project
Mar 07 20:20:36 <pfn> android create project -g -v 1.5.0
Mar 07 20:20:42 <duboisj> Zunino: some of us do use the command line.  its harder to get help sometimes because it’s not the norm, but it works fine.  you can keep going with it if it’s your preference and you’ll have a realistic shot at getting something working.
Mar 07 20:20:46 <pfn> and then update the gradle wrapper version
Mar 07 20:21:40 <Zunino> duboisj: I'll try regenerating the project using -g, as suggested by pfn.
Mar 07 20:22:06 <Zunino> Should I use a standalone Gradle installation or should I download something using android itself?
Mar 07 20:22:24 <pfn> Zunino, it's included by android create project
Mar 07 20:22:42 <Zunino> pfn: I see. Let me give it a shot.
Mar 07 20:22:46 <Zunino> Thanks, guys.
Mar 07 20:22:47 <pfn> Zunino, update the gradle version in the created gradle/wrapper/gradle-wrapper.properties to 2.11
Mar 07 20:22:56 <pfn> the default version generated by android create project is unusable
Mar 07 20:23:08 <Zunino> Got ya.
Mar 07 20:23:27 * OverCoder facepalms
Mar 07 20:23:35 <OverCoder> I always loved the Android API, why it's failing me now
Mar 07 20:23:39 <OverCoder> Maybe I am dumb
Mar 07 20:25:06 <pfn> Zunino, I guess the build.gradle needs to be updated slightly as well
Mar 07 20:25:32 <pfn> runProguard is no longer part of the gradle dsl
Mar 07 20:25:48 <pfn> it's not failing you
Mar 07 20:25:51 <pfn> thus the latter must be true
Mar 07 20:27:10 <pfn> ugh, what's this airwatch crap
Mar 07 20:27:27 <pfn> I'm so not going to install it
Mar 07 20:28:14 <thebishop> pfn, oh just some device management stuff your job requires
Mar 07 20:28:31 <pfn> yeah, I don't need no $work email on my phone
Mar 07 20:28:38 <Fredi> Can anyone help me?
Mar 07 20:28:45 <pfn> no
Mar 07 20:28:47 <Fredi> :(
Mar 07 20:28:53 <s73v3r> not if you don’t ask your question
Mar 07 20:29:00 <pfn> you make it too easy
Mar 07 20:29:24 <s73v3r> please don’t just say, “Can anyone help me?” It’s fairly annoying. Please just ask your question, and if someone can answer it, they will
Mar 07 20:29:29 <Fredi> I dont understand why i get null with my code, it isn't something special / big since im still newb and just trying
Mar 07 20:29:49 <s73v3r> it’s because something is returning null or being set to null
Mar 07 20:29:52 <thebishop> Fredi, are you referencing an uninitialized value?
Mar 07 20:29:55 <Ashiren> :O
Mar 07 20:29:57 <Fredi> So if someone wanna look at my sourcecode then tell me, but im not sure how to pm
Mar 07 20:29:57 <diphtherial> so, i'm writing a super-simple foreground app tracking app, and it's been a really long time since i've done anything serious in android (like 2.3 days)
Mar 07 20:30:10 <s73v3r> just paste it into a paste service and post the link here
Mar 07 20:30:13 <thebishop> Fredi, "String Fredi; Fredi.length();" = fail
Mar 07 20:30:13 <Fredi> thebishop, how do i write like this?
Mar 07 20:30:25 <Fredi> @thebishop like this?
Mar 07 20:30:26 <Ashiren> Fredi: pastebin.com
Mar 07 20:30:33 <thebishop> Fredi, hi
Mar 07 20:30:52 <Fredi> @thebishop http://pastebin.com/wG08i1WV here
Mar 07 20:30:52 <diphtherial> should i use a fragment to display a list of items in my app's main activity? like, i get that fragments are good because you can reuse and rearrange them, but i'm not sure if it's overkill here
Mar 07 20:31:10 <Fredi> @thebishop you want the error too?
Mar 07 20:31:21 <thebishop> diphtherial, sounds sensible
Mar 07 20:31:34 <thebishop> diphtherial, really depends on your project goals, but probably worthwhile
Mar 07 20:31:46 <s73v3r> Fredi: Definitely post the stack trace
Mar 07 20:32:02 <diphtherial> thebishop: the goal is a developer tool to monitor what apps have been in the foreground over some window of time
Mar 07 20:32:04 <Fredi> 2 sec i gotta run it again and paste it
Mar 07 20:32:09 <diphtherial> no one outside my lab will use it
Mar 07 20:32:29 <Fredi> How do you guys write with the red letters? is it @name?
Mar 07 20:32:31 <thebishop> diphtherial, i didn't mean like that.  i more meant is it a hobby/learning project you don't care about, or something you want to expand and maintain for years
Mar 07 20:32:32 <s73v3r> make sure you’re not copying the whole logcat, just the stack trace
Mar 07 20:32:50 <jaana> Just pointing out the top of that stack trace would be enough
Mar 07 20:33:03 <jaana> NPE gives you the line number, how hard is it?
Mar 07 20:33:06 <Ashiren> Fredi: found it
Mar 07 20:33:15 <thebishop> Fredi, is it this one?         EditText t1 = (EditText) findViewById(R.id.editText);
Mar 07 20:33:15 <thebishop>  
Mar 07 20:33:16 <thebishop>  
Mar 07 20:33:16 <thebishop>  
Mar 07 20:33:16 <thebishop>         t1.addTextChangedListener(changedWatcher);
Mar 07 20:33:17 <Ashiren> Fredi: in onCrate you have EditText t1 = (EditText) findViewById(R.id.editText);
Mar 07 20:33:18 <Fredi> I think it was in line 42
Mar 07 20:33:19 <thebishop> (sorry)
Mar 07 20:33:22 <diphtherial> thebishop: ah, it's a hobby/learning project
Mar 07 20:33:28 <Ashiren> Fredi: while in afterTeaxtChanged you have result = Integer.parseInt(t1.getText().toString());
Mar 07 20:33:31 <Ashiren> hence the t1 is null
Mar 07 20:33:56 <Fredi> Oh so i declare it at wrong place..
Mar 07 20:33:57 <diphtherial> thebishop: part of this is to get back into android dev in general, but i haven't seen much guidance on when fragments are appropriate to use or not
Mar 07 20:34:07 <Ashiren> solution: s/EditText t1/t1
Mar 07 20:34:10 <Ashiren> [solved]
Mar 07 20:34:18 <diphtherial> i mean, i guess the more abstraction the better, but there's obviously a tradeoff in terms of dev time/efficiency
Mar 07 20:34:26 <Fredi> Okay thanks man :)
Mar 07 20:34:33 <Fredi> Sorry if it was a stupid question, im new
Mar 07 20:34:37 <s73v3r> diphtherial: There isn’t much guidance, because the community is kinda split on them. some say always use them, some say never use them
Mar 07 20:34:57 <Ashiren> i'd say almost always use them
Mar 07 20:35:00 <Ashiren> even if its one fragment
Mar 07 20:35:03 <thebishop> diphtherial, well i'd say it's totally up to you. if you never made a fragment before, it's probably worth the exercise.  on the other hand, if you have a good understand of how fragments work and you won't reuse this UI component, it's probably unnecessary
Mar 07 20:35:06 <thebishop> diphtherial, that's my $2k
Mar 07 20:35:45 <s73v3r> I would say don’t bother making a fragment if you’re not making a tablet UI, and the fragment is just going to take up the whole screen and not be switched out
Mar 07 20:36:05 <Ashiren> so different opinions ~
Mar 07 20:36:09 <thebishop> ;)
Mar 07 20:36:32 <s73v3r> like I said, the community is rather divided
Mar 07 20:36:39 <diphtherial> huh, ok. well, i'm not familiar with them, so i guess i'll just go with embedding controls directly into the activity as i've done in the past
Mar 07 20:36:54 <diphtherial> maybe i'll try to make a multi-fragment UI at some point and learn them then
Mar 07 20:36:59 <saapas> alright, advancing with overriding AppCompat Button -- write custom style whose parent is Widget.AppCompat.Button.Borderless a.k.a. the flat button.
Mar 07 20:36:59 <thebishop> Fredi, might be worth doing a java crash course before jumping into android SDK
Mar 07 20:37:04 <diphtherial> thanks for the input, everyone; very interesting
Mar 07 20:37:12 <thebishop> Fredi, not mandatory, but time well spent
Mar 07 20:37:39 <Fredi> @thebishop Okay, can you suggest learnjava.org? Or do i have to get me a book?
Mar 07 20:37:59 <thebishop> Fredi, go to college ;)
Mar 07 20:38:00 <Fredi> learnjavaonline.org*
Mar 07 20:38:02 <thebishop> Fredi, just messing with you
Mar 07 20:38:34 <thebishop> Fredi, ebooks are my preference.  don't have a favorite java one off the top of my head
Mar 07 20:38:39 <Fredi> @thebishop Well in summer im going to web dev school :)
Mar 07 20:38:43 <diphtherial> k, well, heading out. thanks again
Mar 07 20:39:22 <OverCoder> Can I fill the clipboard with some data using adb?
Mar 07 20:39:32 <OverCoder> (Specifically text data)
Mar 07 20:39:50 <Fredi> @thebishop Okay, thanks. I know the basics of JS/Python also, but i couldn't think something to do, that why i jumped into android as i can make something while learning
Mar 07 20:40:38 <thebishop> Fredi, yeah that's awesome. just some java skills are a prerequisite
Mar 07 20:42:21 <Fredi> Like bad to know or what? :)
Mar 07 20:44:17 <knapper_tech> How can I declare permissions for an instrumented test?
Mar 07 20:44:30 <thebishop> Fredi, http://www.amazon.com/Java-Beginners-Guide-Herbert-Schildt/dp/0071809252/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457383453&sr=8-1&keywords=java ?
Mar 07 20:45:26 <Fredi> @thebishop Thanks, but i will try to find something on a danish site, as im not sure with the taxes etc with amazon :)
Mar 07 20:45:34 <thebishop> Fredi, gotcha
Mar 07 20:45:35 <thebishop> um
Mar 07 20:46:36 <Fredi> @thebishop just a fast question more, what did i do wrong in the code? Did i declare it wrong or what ? Just so i know :)
Mar 07 20:50:15 <markyosullivan> Is it a good idea to color code this layout?
Mar 07 20:50:16 <markyosullivan> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t34.0-12/12825288_10153970240462288_1722504690_n.jpg?oh=dddcc2c99492768e3732d8d85a03ddb1&oe=56E0A056
Mar 07 20:50:42 <markyosullivan> I'm thinking that this layout is better: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t34.0-12/10579930_10153970162772288_222373932_n.jpg?oh=2712cbc9f6b92307ead10bff829b88bb&oe=56DF68CA
Mar 07 20:51:19 <OverCoder> getHeight of an element is returning 0, why is that?
Mar 07 20:51:20 <DrBenway> is there a way to package 2 apks into the same one?
Mar 07 20:51:25 <OverCoder> s/element/View/
Mar 07 20:51:34 <DrBenway> or some kind of publishing system to ship 2 apks at the same time
Mar 07 20:51:50 <OverCoder> Note that I assigned layout params for the View but haven't added it to the layout yet
Mar 07 20:51:58 <DrBenway> an apk merger would be the best thing
Mar 07 20:52:40 <thebishop> Fredi, it was a scope issue.  you have a public EditText t1 initialized to null on line 15. then you try to getText() from it on line 42.  hence null reference.  you want it to be set to your EditText view on line 21, but you've redeclared a local variable there instead.
Mar 07 20:53:43 <thebishop> Fredi, if you didn't have "EditText" preceding t1 on line 21, i think you'd be Ok
Mar 07 20:57:10 <Fredi> @thebishop oh, ok thanks. Do you think it's a bad idea to pick up a java book on Danish language? Because english isn't my first language
Mar 07 20:58:07 <thebishop> Fredi, sure if you understand it better.
Mar 07 20:58:48 <Fredi> @thebishop Alright, thanks so much for help :)
Mar 07 20:59:34 <thebishop> Fredi, of course, godspeed to you
Mar 07 21:07:15 <SuperTyp> Hi all, I have created subfolder in drawable in Android Studio, these folders are visible in Explorer but not in Android Studio itself...is that normal?
Mar 07 21:07:58 <g00s> SuperTyp your folders have to comply with strict naming conventions
Mar 07 21:08:03 <g00s> like, qualifiers and stuff
Mar 07 21:08:07 <SuperTyp> ahh ok
Mar 07 21:08:08 <SuperTyp> thank you
Mar 07 21:08:12 <g00s> youcant just amek 'lolmyfolder'
Mar 07 21:09:03 <SuperTyp> I know these qualifiers but I didn't know that tehy have to comply for subfolders of drawable too, thank you g00s
Mar 07 21:09:08 <QbY> Is it possible to programmatically divert a call to another number?
Mar 07 21:09:49 <SuperTyp> QbY, everything is possible :P
Mar 07 21:09:56 <QbY> :)
Mar 07 21:10:12 <g00s> SuperTyp folders like drawable/ can't have subfolders at all though
Mar 07 21:10:24 <g00s> you can do stuff like drawable-land, for example
Mar 07 21:10:40 <SuperTyp> yeah but that won't be a subfolder :)
Mar 07 21:11:00 <g00s> oops yeah sorry
Mar 07 21:13:04 <SuperTyp> I have flags with 128x128 dunno the dpi, where should I place them? just in drawable?
Mar 07 21:13:16 <g00s> res/drawable is for xml
Mar 07 21:13:30 <g00s> choose a dpi
Mar 07 21:14:14 <g00s> drawable-hdpi, etc
Mar 07 21:16:22 <SuperTyp> good that I asked
Mar 07 21:16:23 <SuperTyp> thanks
Mar 07 21:17:06 <vedu> SuperTyp: change the view of the project from "android" to "project"
Mar 07 21:19:55 <orbyt_> is there a simple way to import a bunch of the same gradle dependencies I use in almost every project?
Mar 07 21:20:16 <orbyt_> instead of c+p all the rxjava/rxandroid, butterknife, glide etc.. etc..
Mar 07 21:20:52 <g00s> lol, i guess you have a lot of dependencies orbyt_ :)
Mar 07 21:21:00 <SuperTyp> vedu, but what would that mean for accessing these files?
Mar 07 21:21:57 <orbyt_> g00s: Was that sarcasm
Mar 07 21:25:51 <RustyShackleford> I need a beer already
Mar 07 21:25:51 <DaveWM> what's the preferred way to emulate/virtualize android on a Desktop OS atm?  Either Linux desktop or windows...  doesn't really matter to me
Mar 07 21:25:54 <truckcrash> orbyt_, you could perhaps make a custom live template https://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/android-studio-live-templates/
Mar 07 21:26:09 <RustyShackleford> DaveWM: not the stock emulator, thats for sure
Mar 07 21:26:18 <RustyShackleford> Genymotion is awesome, free for personal use
Mar 07 21:26:37 <RustyShackleford> I prefer it to pluggin in a device and deving on that
Mar 07 21:27:05 <DaveWM> Yeah,  I figured that.  I see there's android for x86,  but I think I'd like to stay as close to actual android as possible... though I honestly don't know the difference.. so maybe it'd be suitable
Mar 07 21:27:23 <RustyShackleford> well you can use the ARM images (slow as fuuuu)
Mar 07 21:27:27 <ghostmoth> I’m working with a video app and trying to get it to still play the audio when out of focus. My approach is to bind to a service that plays audio when the video activity is paused and to pause audio when the video activity is resumed (and resume video). Does that approach sound sane?
Mar 07 21:27:45 <RustyShackleford> and then there are the x86 images + HAXM. Better, but Genymotion is way better
Mar 07 21:28:06 <ghostmoth> It’s working pretty well, except there’s a fraction of a second where the audio pauses when sources shift. Not sure how to make that seamless.
Mar 07 21:28:23 <DaveWM> Thanks RustyShackleford,  I'll check out Genymotion
Mar 07 21:28:42 <orbyt_> truckcrash: yea that might work thanks
Mar 07 21:29:14 <DaveWM> RustyShackleford: There's a really old famous house that my friends just had their wedding at here where I live called the Shackelford house...
Mar 07 21:30:09 <RustyShackleford> DaveWM: well I got Rusty Shackleford from King of the Hill
Mar 07 21:30:17 <RustyShackleford> he's a character in the show. Sorta
Mar 07 21:30:33 <DaveWM> ah...  ok
Mar 07 21:48:17 <RustyShackleford> even this haxm emulator is practically unusable
Mar 07 21:48:35 <RustyShackleford> the adb and network connection drop out all the time
Mar 07 21:58:10 <saapas> oh I so hate android styling logic.
Mar 07 22:19:08 <OverCoder> Can I reduce those cues effect on overscrolling?
Mar 07 22:20:17 <phasip> Looking at the android source for dlopen I find a comment that says "These are stubs for functions that are actually defined in the dynamic linker and hijacked at runtime" - why is this done and where is the hijack code?  [ https://github.com/android/platform_bionic/blob/be7c7fe218ca13b5763fbbcb650780aff4ed1dbd/libdl/libdl.c ]
Mar 07 22:21:38 <drose379> Hey guys, I've asked this before but I'm gonna ask again just to confirm...
Mar 07 22:22:14 <drose379> Does anyone think its bad practice, for an application that relies heavily on a remote DB, to have a bunch of IntentServices, dedicated to making specific HTTP requests
Mar 07 22:24:21 <vigilancer> drose379: 1. no. 2. yes
Mar 07 22:24:33 <vigilancer> actually, 1 - depends
Mar 07 22:24:40 <drose379> I think I only asked 1 question...
Mar 07 22:24:44 <drose379> What are you refering to? :)
Mar 07 22:24:49 <vigilancer> 1 - remote db
Mar 07 22:25:05 <vigilancer> 2 - bunch of Services for every http call
Mar 07 22:25:19 <drose379> Oh I need the remote DB, you think thats bad practice?
Mar 07 22:25:34 <vigilancer> depends
Mar 07 22:25:49 <drose379> Well what about the tons of IntentServices
Mar 07 22:26:00 <vigilancer> sometims you need cache, sometimes don't
Mar 07 22:26:19 <drose379> I have a "Service" package with about 16 IntentService classes in it so far
Mar 07 22:26:32 <drose379> Each dedicated to a single CRUD type request
Mar 07 22:26:33 <vigilancer> make one services and distinct calls by Intent.action
Mar 07 22:26:44 <drose379> Hmm, never heard of that
Mar 07 22:26:45 <vigilancer> *on Service
Mar 07 22:27:07 <vigilancer> so, you starting new service for each call?
Mar 07 22:27:25 <drose379> Yep
Mar 07 22:27:31 <drose379> But the calls do differrent things
Mar 07 22:27:35 <vigilancer> that's insane :)
Mar 07 22:27:40 <drose379> Why?
Mar 07 22:28:13 <drose379> Dont they just execute on a background thread and end when they are done?
Mar 07 22:29:56 <drose379> vigilancer, Its not like I am looping over something and calling the same service 500 times or something, I just call it once and pass it the data
Mar 07 22:30:01 <drose379> Does that make a difference?
Mar 07 22:30:02 <vigilancer> can you do this? yes. is it bad practice? also yes)
Mar 07 22:30:40 <s73v3r> drose379: Don’t put them in a “Service” package. Try to group your stuff closer to the feature it’s actually using, rather than by what type of class it is
Mar 07 22:31:13 <drose379> vigilancer, I'm honestly wondering why its bad practice, I'm all for changing it, I'm not here to defend it
Mar 07 22:31:14 <s73v3r> as for splitting the calls up, I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all
Mar 07 22:31:26 <drose379> Ok s73v3r
Mar 07 22:31:35 <drose379> Im just wondering why vigilancer is against it?
Mar 07 22:31:37 <orbyt_> If your violating DRY then its probably bad practice
Mar 07 22:31:42 <drose379> Im not
Mar 07 22:31:48 <vigilancer> s73v3r: but not splitting by services.
Mar 07 22:31:56 <drose379> All the service classes are making different calls, with different data
Mar 07 22:32:11 <s73v3r> is it one call per service?
Mar 07 22:32:16 <drose379> Yes
Mar 07 22:32:21 <s73v3r> that’s a little much
Mar 07 22:32:32 <drose379> Ok, whats the alternative?
Mar 07 22:32:47 <s73v3r> maybe group all of the User related calls into one service, etc
Mar 07 22:33:00 <drose379> So if I had a user related service class
Mar 07 22:33:14 <drose379> That class would have a bunch of different methods to make the different calls?
Mar 07 22:33:25 <drose379> And the onHandleIntent would get a ACTION extra and route to the methods?
Mar 07 22:33:30 <drose379> Is that the pattern
Mar 07 22:33:31 <s73v3r> yeah
Mar 07 22:33:38 <vigilancer> Service is relatively heavy thing. and it's not "idea of some background service", it's real class with implementation. I suggest draw line between 'network calls'. But make one Service to do call.
Mar 07 22:33:43 <s73v3r> of course, the best way is to forget the services, and use something like Retrofit
Mar 07 22:33:55 <vigilancer> You can set Intent.action to distinct calls
Mar 07 22:34:16 <drose379> vigilancer, and the action would route to the service's different methods?
Mar 07 22:34:49 <vigilancer> in onStart() check 'action' and start bounded network call in own Scheduler
Mar 07 22:35:43 <vigilancer> there is so much place for impromevent. and also for bugs :)  agree with s73v3r, I'm pro-retrofit also
Mar 07 22:36:00 <drose379> onStart() im using onHandleIntent()
Mar 07 22:36:05 <drose379> They are IntentService classes
Mar 07 22:36:08 <s73v3r> same difference
Mar 07 22:36:11 <drose379> Ok
Mar 07 22:36:18 <drose379> So what benefit does Retrofit offer
Mar 07 22:36:27 <s73v3r> it handles all of that crap for you
Mar 07 22:36:35 <drose379> What "Crap"?
Mar 07 22:36:40 <s73v3r> the stuff you’re talking about
Mar 07 22:36:48 <pfn> service is just a lifecycle container
Mar 07 22:36:57 <pfn> use a service to indicate that your process shouldn't be killed
Mar 07 22:37:08 <drose379> Well shouldnt be killed until its done
Mar 07 22:37:17 <drose379> And thats exactly what an intentservice does I though
Mar 07 22:37:20 <drose379> thought*
Mar 07 22:37:22 <drose379> Ends when its done
Mar 07 22:37:40 <vigilancer> drose379: Service is not AsyncTask replacement :)
Mar 07 22:38:11 <drose379> But in the description it talks about how it runs on background thread, and ends when its done
Mar 07 22:38:29 <Mavrik> IntentService indeed does that :)
Mar 07 22:38:44 <drose379> So I am really not seeing the issue
Mar 07 22:38:57 <drose379> And I came here looking for an issue with this :)
Mar 07 22:39:20 <Mavrik> It's just a rather fat overhead and a bit of latency.
Mar 07 22:39:25 <Mavrik> Also bunch of boilerplate code.
Mar 07 22:39:25 <vigilancer> it will work, yes
Mar 07 22:39:37 <drose379> Latency?
Mar 07 22:40:00 <s73v3r> if I were to do the IntentService thing like you’re doing, and I didn’t want to put them all in one, I’d group them, not make one class per call
Mar 07 22:40:07 <Mavrik> Starting an intent isn't instant :)
Mar 07 22:40:25 <Mavrik> Also not sure if Android guarantees ordering.
Mar 07 22:40:30 <drose379> Im leaning towards grouping them s73v3r
Mar 07 22:40:36 <drose379> Ok, another question relating to this
Mar 07 22:40:37 <Mavrik> So don't do order dependant stuff.
Mar 07 22:40:43 <drose379> Thanks Mavrik
Mar 07 22:41:20 <drose379> So, after most of the CRUD calls in each IntentService, I get some sort of results from a script on the server, in which I parse inside the IntentService, and send a result back to the main thread with Otto EventBus
Mar 07 22:41:37 <drose379> Is that a nice pattern?
Mar 07 22:41:43 <Mavrik> Yuck.
Mar 07 22:41:45 <vigilancer> nope
Mar 07 22:41:51 <drose379> Ok, why?
Mar 07 22:42:12 <Mavrik> It's just a rather fat overhead and a bit of latency.
Mar 07 22:42:12 <Mavrik> [23:39:22]
Mar 07 22:42:21 <drose379> The EventBus?
Mar 07 22:42:27 <Mavrik> Also bunch of boilerplate code. Also breaking barriers between components.
Mar 07 22:42:47 <drose379> EventBus has almoast no boilerplate
Mar 07 22:42:58 <drose379> BusProvider.postToMain( AnyObject )
Mar 07 22:43:10 <vigilancer> %) it's bad design. if it's working for you stick with it
Mar 07 22:43:21 <drose379> Im just wondering why its bad design
Mar 07 22:43:31 <s73v3r> they just said
Mar 07 22:43:44 <jaana> It’s the same process, nothing wrong with an event bus
Mar 07 22:43:54 <Mavrik> I think we just have to wait 6 months.
Mar 07 22:43:59 <drose379> Why?
Mar 07 22:44:23 <Mavrik> Since I don't think there's a way to explain newbie bad code until he actually has to rewrite his first app due to it being unmaintainable.
Mar 07 22:44:45 <drose379> Ok then what is the alternative to using an eventbus
Mar 07 22:44:55 <vigilancer> retrofit+rxjava
Mar 07 22:44:55 <s73v3r> Retrofit with callbackx
Mar 07 22:45:03 <s73v3r> callbacks
Mar 07 22:45:27 <vigilancer> or that
Mar 07 22:45:30 <drose379> How is using an eventbus unmaintaninable
Mar 07 22:45:31 <Mavrik> drose379, sending data back via the same API you retrieved it.
Mar 07 22:45:45 <drose379> It seems more maintainable, if not equal
Mar 07 22:45:49 <s73v3r> nope
Mar 07 22:45:58 <drose379> How?
Mar 07 22:46:18 <s73v3r> eventbuses tend to promote the idea of passing things through the event bus, to the point where everything is so decoupled, you can’t tell where data came from or is going
Mar 07 22:46:34 <drose379> I thought one of the best practices in OOP is decoupling classes
Mar 07 22:46:35 <s73v3r> it’s one of those things that sounds good until you actually try to debug with it
Mar 07 22:46:38 <s73v3r> no
Mar 07 22:46:51 <drose379> Well when classes are tightly coupled its bad
Mar 07 22:46:52 <drose379> I know that
Mar 07 22:47:05 <s73v3r> and when they’re super decoupled it’s bad
Mar 07 22:47:17 * Mavrik is just in process of ripping out last pieces of EventBus in a larger project.
Mar 07 22:47:18 <Mavrik> :)
Mar 07 22:47:20 <s73v3r> Moderation in all things. Including moderation
Mar 07 22:47:48 <s73v3r> moderate event bus use is ok, but like I said, it is extremely easy to get in the trap of doing it too much
Mar 07 22:47:49 <drose379> So you guys suggest passing callbacks to the IntentSerivce
Mar 07 22:47:58 <vigilancer> I wrote recently script for my Walkman on python. it had about 4 classes, 2 packages, and depends on some ugly libs. that was my first python programm
Mar 07 22:48:18 <orbyt_> ....you have a Walkman
Mar 07 22:48:18 <vigilancer> I rewrote it latter, now it's about 150 LOC in single file
Mar 07 22:48:41 <drose379> s73v3r, all I am using the EventBus for is to pass data back from HTTP requests
Mar 07 22:48:45 <drose379> Is that too much?
Mar 07 22:48:53 <vigilancer> point is - just wait for it, you'll get it :)
Mar 07 22:49:03 <s73v3r> that might be ok
Mar 07 22:49:13 <drose379> The alternative is a callback interface?
Mar 07 22:49:22 <s73v3r> yeah
Mar 07 22:49:34 <drose379> But you cant pass that to an IntentService
Mar 07 22:49:41 <Mavrik> Why are you using intentservice?
Mar 07 22:49:48 <Mavrik> What benefit does it give you?
Mar 07 22:50:05 <Mavrik> How frequently will you spawn it, what are your constraints?
Mar 07 22:50:11 <drose379> Splits all my CRUD calls into single classes, runs on background automatically, and ends when its done
Mar 07 22:50:13 <s73v3r> I’m guessing that they wanted to do things without libraries
Mar 07 22:50:15 <vigilancer> orbyt_: should I be ashamed? :)
Mar 07 22:50:37 <drose379> Mavrik, I spawn it whenever I need to make a CRUD call
Mar 07 22:50:41 <drose379> User creates X
Mar 07 22:50:44 <drose379> User deletes X
Mar 07 22:50:47 <drose379> User updates X
Mar 07 22:50:50 <drose379> etc..
Mar 07 22:50:53 <s73v3r> those shouldn’t be separate classes
Mar 07 22:50:54 <Mavrik> What happens when those get reordered?
Mar 07 22:51:14 <drose379> They never happen at the same time
Mar 07 22:51:14 <Mavrik> user updates X, user creates X?
Mar 07 22:51:18 <drose379> Yes
Mar 07 22:51:21 <Mavrik> What happens when they get lost?
Mar 07 22:51:27 <drose379> ?
Mar 07 22:51:47 <drose379> Im trying to make the app event-driven
Mar 07 22:52:10 <Mavrik> What happens when the network connection is slow or timesout? How do you do retries? :)
Mar 07 22:52:11 <drose379> Start an intentservice, show a ProgressBar, until the EventBus fires when the request is finished, then move on
Mar 07 22:52:29 <s73v3r> so how are you protecting against multiple requests being fired off at once?
Mar 07 22:53:06 <drose379> I cant find a place in this app where 1) that would happen or b) where that would matter
Mar 07 22:53:06 <Mavrik> drose379, (those are things we had to deal with with another similar project, not trying to attack you or anything) :)
Mar 07 22:53:20 <Mavrik> Ah.
Mar 07 22:53:22 <drose379> No this is good I came here to learn and challenge what I've been doing
Mar 07 22:53:44 <vigilancer> drose379: oh, I got something such rest-like tasks
Mar 07 22:53:46 <vigilancer> https://github.com/vigilancer/rx-jobqueue
Mar 07 22:53:59 <vigilancer> *for such
Mar 07 22:54:10 <drose379> Hmm
Mar 07 22:54:10 <s73v3r> i don’t know if I’d suggest RX for someone who’s new to Android
Mar 07 22:54:16 <drose379> Im not too new
Mar 07 22:54:18 <vigilancer> or could try android-priority-jobqueue
Mar 07 22:54:45 <vigilancer> priority-jobqueue than
Mar 07 22:55:17 <jaana> To avoid multiple identical firings, I use Guava’s LoadingCache (although I’d really like it if I could pull just that set of classes from the guava jar)
Mar 07 22:55:24 <Mavrik> Yeah, usually recording changes to some persistant storage and then commit them when network is available is usually better experience.
Mar 07 22:55:28 <Mavrik> More complicated though.
Mar 07 22:56:20 <drose379> So lets say at the start the user is presented with a button
Mar 07 22:56:35 <drose379> They click the button, a dialog opens, the user enters their locatin, and press "GO"
Mar 07 22:56:38 <vigilancer> jaana: if I recall correctly, Square uses internally some proguarded heavy libs. you can strip it I think
Mar 07 22:56:57 <orbyt_> speaking of Rx, is it not possible to flatmap an Observable from an onclick to an Observable from a network request? One has to be on the main thread and the other cant..
Mar 07 22:57:09 <jaana> vigilancer: Yeah I’ve been considering doing that, but LoadingCache is depending on a lot of crap inside guava, might as well rewrite it myself
Mar 07 22:57:30 <jaana> LoadingCache is really just a smarter hash map
Mar 07 22:57:30 <Mavrik> orbyt_, not sure if I understand the question
Mar 07 22:57:32 <drose379> Ok im heading out
Mar 07 22:57:38 <drose379> Thanks for the help guys
Mar 07 22:57:54 <jaana> orbyt_: Use two different observables
Mar 07 22:58:04 <Mavrik> flatMap does exactly that.
Mar 07 22:58:05 <jaana> click -> networkObservable.onNext() -> networkrequest
Mar 07 22:58:14 <Mavrik> if you flatmap those you already need to have those.
Mar 07 22:58:24 <RustyShackleford> know of a good rx java tutoral?
Mar 07 22:58:44 <RustyShackleford> I've seen a few talks. I want more advanced now, lots of examples including demos of the different operators
Mar 07 22:58:56 <orbyt_> Mavrik: Eg: https://paste.ee/p/vAIwP
Mar 07 22:59:02 <RustyShackleford> chaining observables together, other advanced things
Mar 07 22:59:21 <Mavrik> orbyt_, not sure if I see the issue?
Mar 07 22:59:30 <Mavrik> what you pasted is sync anyway
Mar 07 22:59:40 <Mavrik> you control thread switching via subscribeOn() and observeOn()
Mar 07 22:59:53 <Mavrik> clicks emits something and doesn't matter which thread it's on
Mar 07 23:00:03 <Mavrik> You probably just want to make sure the final UI update is on main thread
Mar 07 23:00:18 <orbyt_> Mavrik: throws an error due to the click observable if its not on main thread
Mar 07 23:00:20 <jaana> yes a simple observeOn(AndroidSchedulers:mainThread()) will do here
Mar 07 23:01:00 <Mavrik> https://paste.ee/p/R8oGn ? :)
Mar 07 23:01:02 <orbyt_> yes im observing on the main thread and subscribing on io thread
Mar 07 23:01:12 <Mavrik> I don't see you subscribing.
Mar 07 23:01:24 <orbyt_> didnt post it, only posted the part i was talking about
Mar 07 23:01:26 <Mavrik> Are you calling this code on background thread?
Mar 07 23:01:31 <orbyt_> ..........
Mar 07 23:01:36 <orbyt_> lemme post the whole thing haha
Mar 07 23:01:52 <eghdk> In AndroidStudio there is a way to analyze memory for memory leaks right? I remember Chet Hasse demoing the feature, but I can't find it. Anyone know?
Mar 07 23:02:00 <Mavrik> Since if you don't use subscribeon you get subscription on the current thread.
Mar 07 23:02:11 <orbyt_> https://paste.ee/p/KQy6C
Mar 07 23:02:26 <Mavrik> eghdk, Android tab -> Monitors -> click heap dump next to memory graph
Mar 07 23:02:40 <jaana> orbyt_: This looks good to me, are you having any issues with it?
Mar 07 23:02:52 <Mavrik> orbyt_, yeah, you're subscribing to clicks on IO thread
Mar 07 23:03:16 <Mavrik> If I remember my flatMap correctly :P
Mar 07 23:03:18 <eghdk> Mavrik: "Dump memory heap"?
Mar 07 23:03:18 <orbyt_> jaana: yep throws illegalstateexeption for the rxbinding part
Mar 07 23:03:30 <orbyt_> Mavrik: so sort me out whats the fix?
Mar 07 23:03:34 <eghdk> Sorry "dump java heap"?
Mar 07 23:04:13 <Mavrik> https://paste.ee/p/p3td2
Mar 07 23:04:17 <Mavrik> this should do the trick IIRC
Mar 07 23:04:24 <jaana> ah missed it, remove the io() subscription
Mar 07 23:04:25 <Mavrik> eghdk, yes
Mar 07 23:04:55 <Mavrik> getResponse() might do subscribeOn automatically if it's retrofit so you can skip that io() subscription
Mar 07 23:04:57 <eghdk> Mavrik: Okay. I did that. Now I'm looking at the .hprof file. What's after that?
Mar 07 23:04:59 <jaana> I always put my subscribeOn() and observeOn() at the top of the chain, it’s too easy to miss them otherwise
Mar 07 23:05:39 <eghdk> Mavrik: Found it. It was hidden off to the side. "Analyzer Tasks". Thanks Mav
Mar 07 23:05:50 <Mavrik> eghdk, it takes a bit to grab the dump
Mar 07 23:06:05 <Mavrik> jaana, unless you wanna switch threads later ;)
Mar 07 23:06:15 <jaana> Can’t do that
Mar 07 23:06:18 <orbyt_> Ah so you just tack on another subscribeOn() directly to the network observable
Mar 07 23:06:27 <jaana> Only one subscribeOn()/observeOn() is honored
Mar 07 23:06:30 <Mavrik> That might not be necessary.
Mar 07 23:06:33 <jaana> been my experience anyway
Mar 07 23:06:34 <Mavrik> jaana, erm, no.
Mar 07 23:06:49 <Mavrik> First subscribeOn is honored, observeOn is always honored.
Mar 07 23:07:05 <Mavrik> Which makes sense if you think for a bit what exactly they do:
Mar 07 23:07:08 <jaana> yes but subsequence subscribeOn() will ge ignored
Mar 07 23:07:13 <jaana> subsequent*
Mar 07 23:07:21 <Mavrik> subscribeOn sets the scheduler on which "top" subscription will be made
Mar 07 23:07:27 <Mavrik> that is, first emission
Mar 07 23:07:39 <Mavrik> observeOn switches schedulers/threads ON THAT POINT in chain
Mar 07 23:07:50 <Mavrik> So you can have a chain that has multiple observeOns easily that jump threads
Mar 07 23:08:07 <Mavrik> like orbyt_'s case
Mar 07 23:08:15 <Mavrik> where he wants to go main -> IO -> main
Mar 07 23:09:04 <Mavrik> Also since flatMap may generate new observables, those might not have the same subscribeOn as you might think
Mar 07 23:09:24 <Mavrik> Like in that code - the observable after flatMap comes from Retrofit and not from top subscription :)
Mar 07 23:10:07 <orbyt_> So does it not matter where in the chain the subscribeOn() is? For example, this works: http://prntscr.com/achzgp
Mar 07 23:11:16 <ghostmoth> I’m confused about how to accept an action from a notification. For instance, a music player that starts a foreground service with a pause button on it. The user clicks pause, what happens in the service? I have set up the notification to have the action, but where does the intent go? To itself?
Mar 07 23:12:25 <vigilancer> service with a button?
Mar 07 23:12:28 <Mavrik> orbyt_, in some cases yes, especially when flatMap or similar operators that create observables are used
Mar 07 23:13:13 <g00s> orbyt_ have you read this? http://www.grahamlea.com/2014/07/rxjava-threading-examples/
Mar 07 23:13:46 <eghdk> So I have a bit of a problem. Wondering if anyone has thoughts on a solution. I have a bunch of calls in my application for getting lists of stuff from the DB, and I have the list saved as a static as a quick cache. Works well, except when it comes to building that cache. I currently grab every entry from the DB and throw it into the cache. Any easy way to perform paging... or windowing when scrolling through a list view?
Mar 07 23:13:47 <orbyt_> I wonder if it would be a good idea to make Retrofit return Observables that are already subscribed on an IO thread, could that be done? Since you simply cant make a network request on main thread anyway
Mar 07 23:14:02 <Mavrik> ghostmoth, you set an intent to an action
Mar 07 23:14:05 <Mavrik> that intent gets fired
Mar 07 23:14:09 <orbyt_> g00s: no i havent but i guess i will now
Mar 07 23:14:13 <Mavrik> That's pretty much the best generic answer you can get :/
Mar 07 23:14:21 <Mavrik> Where you target that intent is up to you.
Mar 07 23:14:29 <Mavrik> orbyt_, retrofit does exactly that
Mar 07 23:14:49 <ghostmoth> Mavrik: I know… I’m struggling how to word this. Can I send the intent to the service which is creating the notification? So I can look in the bundle and see if the user tried to pause or whatever?
Mar 07 23:14:50 <Mavrik> (That's why I said that that subscribeOn might not be necessary, you did not write that you use retrofit at that time.)
Mar 07 23:15:03 <orbyt_> Mavrik: What? Then why do I need to specify .subcribeOn(Schedulers.io())?
Mar 07 23:15:10 <Mavrik> ghostmoth, yes, you trigger the service intent and send yourself extras / data you want :)
Mar 07 23:15:27 <Mavrik> orbyt_, MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARY
Mar 07 23:17:17 <ghostmoth> Cool thanks!
Mar 07 23:17:52 <Mavrik> ghostmoth, there's some funny behaviour around pendingIntents (they sometimes get overwritten depending on flags you use) so take care about that
Mar 07 23:18:10 <ghostmoth> I’ll watch my back :)
Mar 07 23:18:18 <orbyt_> Mavrik: Yea, under what circumstances would .subOn(io()) not be necessary?
Mar 07 23:18:51 <Mavrik> when retrofit does it for you.
Mar 07 23:18:55 <Mavrik> Which is always.
Mar 07 23:19:35 <orbyt_> A regular get request using Retrofit that returns an Observable requires me to still specific .subscribeOn()
Mar 07 23:19:53 <orbyt_> otherwise i get networkonmainthread
Mar 07 23:19:56 <orbyt_> just tried it
Mar 07 23:20:05 <orbyt_> specify*
Mar 07 23:20:20 <Mavrik> Then they changed that in retrofit 2
Mar 07 23:20:24 <Mavrik> Thank god.
Mar 07 23:20:28 <orbyt_> lmao
Mar 07 23:21:08 <Mavrik> Retrofit 1.x always returned observables which has subscribeOn() already called meaning you couldn't change it
Mar 07 23:21:18 <orbyt_> wondering why they took it out then
Mar 07 23:21:26 <orbyt_> seems convenient
Mar 07 23:21:38 <vigilancer> but always desirable maybe
Mar 07 23:21:43 <vigilancer> *not always
Mar 07 23:21:58 <Mavrik> Yes, because there was no way to prevent it from choosing it's own thread
Mar 07 23:22:21 <vigilancer> if you have own scheduller, like Ellastic
Mar 07 23:23:09 <orbyt_> What is Ellastic..
Mar 07 23:24:07 <vigilancer> ah %| nevermind, it's ThreadPool %|
Mar 07 23:24:17 <orbyt_> =/
Mar 07 23:26:14 <vigilancer> just tired, moving on :)
Mar 07 23:32:12 <vigilancer> hm, seems VectorDrawable can't be used as launcher icon on pre-21
Mar 07 23:32:48 <vigilancer> with compat-23.2 obviously
Mar 07 23:33:55 <Mavrik> That makes sense
Mar 07 23:35:03 <vigilancer> Laucnher trying to access icon file directly?
Mar 07 23:35:07 <Mavrik> since icons aren't rendered by the app containing them
Mar 07 23:35:16 <Mavrik> but are just passed on by PackageManager :)
Mar 07 23:35:39 <Mavrik> meaning there's no guarantee launcher even has Vectorcompat included that would be able to draw it :)
Mar 07 23:37:43 <g00s> lol, TextInputLayout is pretty simple - but i was clueless using stock javadoc
Mar 07 23:37:44 <vigilancer> and no way to avoid it :(  so one 'drawable' and five 'mipmap' folders with one icon for next few years
Mar 07 23:51:36 <pfn> vigilancer, external apps do not know how to process vector drawables
Mar 07 23:53:12 <konk3r> I thought that VectorCompat worked by generating drawable resources for older android version, is that not the case?
Mar 07 23:53:24 <vigilancer> Mavrik: may I ask you to review piece of my code? it rely heavily on rx, not sure if there are some common pitfalls or flaws that I've missed
Mar 07 23:53:26 <konk3r> I've never used it first hand
Mar 07 23:53:43 <missingno> the old version of that built into AS did konk3r
Mar 07 23:53:44 <vigilancer> pfn: yeah, I know. just couldn't help to try it :)
Mar 07 23:53:51 <Mavrik> vigilancer, uhh, i'm off, ask me again tomorrow and I'll take alook :)
Mar 07 23:54:05 <vigilancer> Mavrik: ok, thanks)
Mar 07 23:54:07 <konk3r> missingno: So that's been replaced by an actual vector library? That's pretty cool actually
Mar 07 23:54:25 <vigilancer> konk3r: you still can enable pngs generation
Mar 07 23:54:35 <pfn> konk3r, build system generates png in 1.5.0+
Mar 07 23:54:42 <pfn> vigilancer, still protify?
Mar 07 23:54:56 <pfn> konk3r, new support-vector-compat lib brings <vector> support to pre-21
Mar 07 23:54:57 <vigilancer> ah, yeah, with 2.0.0 can enable...
Mar 07 23:56:02 <vigilancer> pfn: nope, sorry :( sometimes it gives unpredictable result. like string resources messed up or something
Mar 07 23:56:55 <pfn> vigilancer, hmm, never saw string resources get messed up
Mar 07 23:56:57 <pfn> but ok
Mar 07 23:58:14 <vigilancer> in some cases I'm not sure if it working. for example, one time I've changed code or layout, but after protify there was wrong text resource on TextView
Mar 07 23:58:58 <eghdk> It's my first time working with DialogFragment. Do I just create the fragment and do a .show(getSupportFragmentManager())? I'm looking at tutorial code that shows that, but I thought with Fragments you have to get a transaction and stuff. Is this different for DialogFragments?
Mar 07 23:59:24 <pfn> vigilancer, certain scenarios can require cleaning, like changing aar dependencies (e.g. support sdk versions)
Mar 07 23:59:49 <AlexBerdnikov> Why Gson doesn't throw JsonSyntaxException when it gets empty string? I mean, isn't empty string should be considered malformed json?
Mar 08 00:01:26 <AlexBerdnikov> eghdk: Yes, you simply call show() on your DialogFragment class
Mar 08 00:02:09 <eghdk> AlexBerdnikov: so it behaves just like a Dialog? awesome if so
Mar 08 00:02:22 <pfn> eghdk, show() implicitly creates a transaction for you
Mar 08 00:03:10 <AlexBerdnikov> eghdk: it handles all the transactions
Mar 08 00:03:26 <AlexBerdnikov> Just as pfn said
Mar 08 00:03:58 <vigilancer> pfn: I understand that. But discover and keep all scenarios in head not always convenient. Maybe it's possible to detect such cases and log something like 'fk that, we're are going on full rebuild, hold your pants'
Mar 08 00:05:40 <eghdk> pfn and AlexBerdnikov so to dismiss it, I just find a reference by fragmentManager.findFragmentByTag and dismiss()?
Mar 08 00:06:53 <pfn> vigilancer, having this feedback without having to ask first would have been nice (instead of just ditching it without saying anything), but that's not your responsibility in any case
Mar 08 00:07:20 <AlexBerdnikov> You simply  call dismiss on the DialogFragment object
Mar 08 00:07:41 <AlexBerdnikov> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#DialogFragment
Mar 08 00:07:47 <eghdk> AlexBerdnikov: Yeah, I just lost the reference to the object on rotation though... I didn't know if there was a standard on it.
Mar 08 00:07:58 <eghdk> AlexBerdnikov: I'm using http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/05/using-dialogfragments.html
Mar 08 00:08:31 <pfn> why do you need to dismiss the fragment from externally?
Mar 08 00:08:42 <eghdk> Oh I'm using a progressDialog pfn
Mar 08 00:09:00 <pfn> find it by tag
Mar 08 00:09:03 <eghdk> So I'm just popping up the dialog and wait for a callback and dismiss the fragment.
Mar 08 00:09:17 <eghdk> Cool. Just making sure I wasn't missing anything. Thanks
Mar 08 00:09:24 <AlexBerdnikov> eghdk: So I suppose you must handle configuration change to not lost the fragment or recreate it in appropriate way...
Mar 08 00:09:42 <pfn> AlexBerdnikov, fragment manager will recreate the dialog on rotation automatically
Mar 08 00:09:46 <pfn> which is pretty nice
Mar 08 00:10:33 <eghdk> pfn: One more thing actually. The tutorial I'm using the link for the tutorial I mentioned above. They tell me that a constructor is required... but I just built and ran the dialogFragment without a constructor... is the documentation wrong?
Mar 08 00:10:39 <vigilancer> pfn: yeah, sorry about that. I just now formalized the problem and possible solution. Before that it was vague feeling, that something is wrong, like sand in the shoe
Mar 08 00:11:26 <pfn> eghdk, any no-arg constructor is required
Mar 08 00:11:28 <AlexBerdnikov> pfn: yes, you're right...
Mar 08 00:11:43 <pfn> AlexBerdnikov, #1 reason to use a dialogfragment, imo
Mar 08 00:12:35 <eghdk> pfn: Wait, does it have to be a no-arg? If so... why? I need to pass in the title of the Dialog in the constructor.
Mar 08 00:12:57 <pfn> eghdk, all fragments must have no-arg constructors
Mar 08 00:13:14 <pfn> eghdk, state restoration cannot occur if you do not have a no-arg ctor
Mar 08 00:14:03 <vigilancer> eghdk: look at newInstance() pattern
Mar 08 00:14:46 <eghdk> vigilancer: thanks. will do.
Mar 08 00:18:57 <eghdk> vigilancer: Looks good. Any way to force the use of newInstance()?
Mar 08 00:19:26 <vigilancer> eghdk: not sure, it's like agreement
Mar 08 00:19:34 <hagabaka> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/communicating.html says fragments should never communicate with each other. Is that the case even with nested fragments? Isn't it awkward for an inner fragment to communicate with the activity, and let the activity communicate with its parent? Or should nested fragments just be avoided?
Mar 08 00:22:26 <canvs2321> question would be, why the nested fragments. then go from there
Mar 08 00:23:18 <canvs2321> you could probably always pass the parent fragment to the child for some communication
Mar 08 00:24:06 <hagabaka> I have a fragment, and a sub-view of it can be one of a different layouts. Can I accomplish that without a nested fragment?
Mar 08 00:24:41 <hagabaka> * one of a few different layouts
Mar 08 00:25:27 <vigilancer> addView/removeView ?
Mar 08 00:26:17 <hagabaka> I mean I'd like an incapsulated class that knows what layout it needs and how to initialize it, and in the parent fragment, I just use an instance of that class
Mar 08 00:27:26 <eghdk> vigilancer: Do you know if I have a newInstance() method with a String argument if theres a way for lint to make sure that it's not null?
Mar 08 00:27:36 <pfn> @NonNull
Mar 08 00:28:13 <s73v3r> hagabaka: that could still be accomplished by a view
Mar 08 00:28:14 <vigilancer> class SomeViewGroup extends FrameLayout, and in constructor View.inflate(context, customLayoutId, this)
Mar 08 00:28:21 <vigilancer> hagabaka: ^
Mar 08 00:28:39 <hagabaka> cool, thanks
Mar 08 00:28:58 <hagabaka> in that case, I feel like I shouldn't be even using fragments...
Mar 08 00:29:21 <s73v3r> is the fragment only used on one screen? and is it the only thing on that screen?
Mar 08 00:29:32 <vigilancer> hagabaka: yup, you can incapsulate in custom ViewGroup
Mar 08 00:29:52 <konk3r> So am I the only one that when they have big problems it's almost always really stupid oversights?
Mar 08 00:30:01 <s73v3r> no
Mar 08 00:30:08 <hagabaka> I have a drawer and 3 fragments, and clicking an item in the drawer switches which fragment is on the screen
Mar 08 00:30:31 <s73v3r> ahh. no, that seems like an appropriate use of fragments
Mar 08 00:31:30 <hagabaka> ok then. I wish I could get away with not using fragments though. They seem so complicated
Mar 08 00:31:34 <vigilancer> hagabaka: seems in that case you don't need parent fragment
Mar 08 00:31:36 <konk3r> I spent 3 hours trying to figure out why my adapter was messing up after I switched it over to my presenter, only to realize the adapter was working fine but I had forgotten to reset the RecyclerView's Alpha after a fade out animation
Mar 08 00:31:44 <pfn> hagabaka, then don't use fragments
Mar 08 00:33:33 <vigilancer> eghdk: not sure if it can be forced at compile time, but as pfn said @NonNull will give you a hints
Mar 08 00:33:47 <konk3r> So my current test architecture is using a single view but swapping out presenters based on what's selected from the nav drawer
Mar 08 00:34:09 <konk3r> They're all list views and it's been working really well
Mar 08 00:34:13 <s73v3r> shouldn’t it also be switching views?
Mar 08 00:34:17 <s73v3r> oh, list views
Mar 08 00:34:21 <pfn> nothing can be forced at compile time in java
Mar 08 00:34:30 <pfn> maybe you can have an annotation processor that would perform static analysis and fail
Mar 08 00:34:43 <konk3r> So I have a single list view with a collapsable toolbar/image, and the presenter changes out the content within a single view
Mar 08 00:34:48 <konk3r> I'm trying to decide if I like it
Mar 08 00:35:30 <s73v3r> if they’re just list views, it seems ok. But if it was anything else, then not changing the view just sounds like a world of pain
Mar 08 00:35:36 <vigilancer> pfn: maybe configure lint to consider this an error so gradle build will fail
Mar 08 00:35:53 <konk3r> Right, I'd never actually make big view changes. It's working because literally every single view is the same, only the content is different
Mar 08 00:39:49 <hagabaka> how do I replace a subview with a ViewGroup?
Mar 08 00:40:37 <konk3r> What exactly are you trying to do? Replace a specific child view with another in its exact location?
Mar 08 00:40:38 <canvs2321> subview i don't believe is a thing
Mar 08 00:41:02 <s73v3r> what don’t you believe?
Mar 08 00:41:06 <hagabaka> konk3r, yeah
Mar 08 00:41:24 <konk3r> The easiest way would probably be to have a frame layout that you put them in
Mar 08 00:41:25 <hagabaka> I want to have a placeholder in the layout, and replace it with another view in onCreateView
Mar 08 00:41:32 <hagabaka> oh
Mar 08 00:41:45 <konk3r> That way it would maintain dimensions and positions inside the parent view
Mar 08 00:42:25 <konk3r> That would add an additional level to your view hierarchy which isn't optimal, I'd be interested to hear if anyone else had a better suggestion
Mar 08 00:42:38 <vigilancer> hagabaka: replace it's for fragments. make holder FrameLayout with id="holder11", on everytime removeView();addView
Mar 08 00:43:07 <vigilancer> *and everytime you need to change view
Mar 08 00:44:07 <s73v3r> that’s probably the accepted way
Mar 08 00:45:20 <vigilancer> or. store magic number, which hold child position where you want to addView(). no need for holder. but sounds terrible)
Mar 08 01:05:07 <hagabaka> I typed "new Context [Enter]", and Android Studio inserted an anonymous class with 3 screenfuls of @Override methods :/
Mar 08 01:06:03 <noobsy> I have an xml file that draws a shape and it defines a color, but how do I override that color externally?
Mar 08 01:07:18 <lexton> I have a page that uses google maps, in the bottom right of the screen I have a floating action button
Mar 08 01:07:38 <lexton> when a user clicks on a marker a bottom drawer slides up from the bottom
Mar 08 01:07:39 <pfn> hagabaka, you done it wrong
Mar 08 01:08:12 <lexton> is there anyway to have the floating action move up to the top right corner of the drawer when it opens?
Mar 08 01:08:33 <lexton> the fab would have to tie itself to the drawer in some way when it opens
Mar 08 01:08:41 <s73v3r> sure. move it there when the drawer opens
Mar 08 01:11:41 <lexton> the drawer slides up and down at different vertical positions, so I want the fab to be bound to it
Mar 08 01:12:49 <orbyt_> you can define a behaviour for items inside a coordinator layout
Mar 08 01:13:20 <orbyt_> or you can just manually translate it using a listener on the drawer
Mar 08 01:15:48 <lexton> is there a way to bind the fab in the xml layout to the drawer with an attribute?
Mar 08 01:16:32 <pfn> no
Mar 08 01:33:31 <RustyShackleford> does anyone know of an in depth RxJava guide/talk/example?
Mar 08 01:34:00 <RustyShackleford> I was able to get started after watching/reading some basic examples. Now I'm trying compose things, and I'm not getting anywhere
Mar 08 01:37:28 <g00s> RustyShackleford rx is like kudzu, is spreads everywhere
Mar 08 01:38:36 <g00s> simple things first, then build up ;)
Mar 08 01:43:44 <DaveWM> RustyShackleford: have you run into any particular limitations with genymotion?  Do you think it matters much what device I choose to emulate?
Mar 08 01:54:17 <RustyShackleford> DaveWM: nah not really.
Mar 08 01:54:31 <RustyShackleford> I wouldn't emulate a Nexus 6P because it will eat 3gb of ram
Mar 08 01:54:39 <RustyShackleford> but you could edit it to use like, 1GB
Mar 08 01:54:56 <RustyShackleford> otherwise its just screen size for the most part
Mar 08 01:55:49 <DaveWM> cool
Mar 08 01:56:54 <spykins> Hello everyone, I am trying to test an android java model class that takes a context with JUnit4…. can someone please help http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/bLFbOoffyr
Mar 08 02:13:04 <vigilancer> sometimes CustomViewGroup.getDrawingCache() return null
Mar 08 02:13:15 <vigilancer> why that could be happening?
Mar 08 02:13:50 <vigilancer> seems it's true when view bigger then screen height, but not sure
Mar 08 02:17:04 <g00s> my EditText has ~ 2dp left padding, is it coming from the underline drawable? so annoying, any way to remove it beside saying android:background="@null" ?
Mar 08 02:20:34 <eghdk> I turned on Timed Publishing... any way to turn it off? =(
Mar 08 02:45:48 <mona_lisa_cat_> [Android] Is possible create a background for hold the connection with our server (e.g when exist some update, we notify the user)... or is only possible like iOS using the Remote Push Notifications?
Mar 08 02:46:52 <mona_lisa_cat_> [Android] Is possible create a background for hold the connection with our server (e.g when exist some update, we notify the user)... or is only possible like iOS using the Remote Push Notifications?
Mar 08 02:48:14 <Ologn> mona_lisa_cat_, Android has notifications
Mar 08 02:48:42 <mona_lisa_cat_> Ologn: you can provide some link for I learn?
Mar 08 02:48:52 <cigarshark> Google Cloud Messaging (GCM) can be used for realtime push notifications
Mar 08 02:49:09 <mona_lisa_cat_> cigarshark: is paid or free?
Mar 08 02:49:17 <Ologn> mona_lisa_cat_, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/notifiers/notifications.html
Mar 08 02:49:23 <cigarshark> free i believe
Mar 08 02:49:30 <django_> hey all
Mar 08 02:49:40 <mona_lisa_cat_> Ologn: thank you bro
Mar 08 02:49:48 <django_> im trying to edit the fragment_main.xml but when i open it i see this: http://i.imgur.com/h8HMVUP.png
Mar 08 02:50:21 <Ologn> django_, what is the problem?
Mar 08 02:50:51 <eghdk> django_: click the text tab to edit the xml directly.
Mar 08 02:50:53 <django_> Ologn, im suppose to see xml code and i dont
Mar 08 02:51:02 <Ologn> django_, do what eghdk said
Mar 08 02:51:43 <django_> eghdk, hey thanks but sorry idk what the text tab is
Mar 08 02:52:21 <Ologn> the tab near the bottom middle that says text
Mar 08 02:52:30 <django_> omg
Mar 08 02:52:34 * django_ facepalm
Mar 08 02:53:22 * orbyt_ slaps django_ for good measure
Mar 08 02:53:57 <django_> orbyt_, ty
Mar 08 02:57:28 <eghdk> I helped someone.... HOORAY
Mar 08 02:59:24 <django_> im on fragment_main xml: https://bpaste.net/show/821dd8adb517 the instructions say; show listview with ID: "@+id/listview_forecast"
Mar 08 02:59:29 <django_> where do i add the id?
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