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Apr 28 03:01:51 <pfn> _xor, all standard http stacks use it
Apr 28 03:02:14 <pfn> only stacks that implement http from a socket level might not
Apr 28 03:02:19 <pfn> including ndk
Apr 28 03:02:45 <_xor> Yup, makes sense.
Apr 28 03:08:20 <rahuldev> hi
Apr 28 03:08:46 <rahuldev> Is Open-jdk works in linux-ubuntu fine with android studio?
Apr 28 04:11:07 <natrium1970> How do I reset Android Device Monitor on Mac?
Apr 28 04:17:04 <natrium1970> I can’t even see a process list with this thing.
Apr 28 04:55:24 <dpyro> what version of java is the latest android studio letting you write android code in?
Apr 28 05:02:19 <g00s> dpyro check out the video
Apr 28 05:02:36 <g00s> (its complicated)
Apr 28 05:15:51 <dpyro> um...how do I communicate between activites in the same app?
Apr 28 05:16:18 <dpyro> i need my Application to notify an activity that data has been updated
Apr 28 05:16:21 <dpyro> *subclass
Apr 28 05:18:23 <adq> dpyro, http://developer.android.com/training/basics/intents/index.html
Apr 28 05:19:04 <dpyro> am i really supposed to use intents for in-process communications? i would rather avoid serializing data...
Apr 28 05:19:57 <adq> not necessarily
Apr 28 05:20:23 <adq> but you did not provide much info about your problem, also you should assume one activity runs at a time (except in recent cases)
Apr 28 05:20:56 <adq> maybe you just need a service or architecture your app model differently
Apr 28 05:21:36 <adq> or you could replace your activities by fragments, etc..
Apr 28 05:21:46 <dpyro> ok, to be more specific, it's between my application subclass and the current activity
Apr 28 05:22:20 <JanusJanus> morning
Apr 28 05:22:26 <dpyro> i am using retrofit in the application subclass to load data in the background
Apr 28 05:23:23 <JanusJanus> guys, when i try to share a project on github through android studio only .java files are uploaded not the full project ? why is that and how could i upload full project ?
Apr 28 05:40:31 <ragsagar> In my main activity i am listening for location updates and showing a marker in the map. In another part of the code in a class where I do calculations i need location updates again to calculate the distance. Should i request for location updates again and implement LocationListener in this class? What would be the best way?
Apr 28 05:50:46 <PC2K> ragsagar: in locationlistener you can set time,distance that how you setup automactic update location
Apr 28 05:53:43 <ragsagar> PC2K: It is not about that. I get location updates in my activity. I have a seperate class where I need the device location again. So should i again implement LocationListener and request for updates or Should i let the activity know about the location update in some way?
Apr 28 05:54:47 <ragsagar> Sorry "Should i let the other class know about the location update from activity in some way" ?
Apr 28 05:56:37 <PC2K> if I,I will let the other class know,not update by itself
Apr 28 05:57:27 <Odaym> what're you guys talking about
Apr 28 05:57:46 <PC2K> hi Odaym
Apr 28 05:58:03 <squ> talking about android studio shit software
Apr 28 05:58:11 <PC2K> lol
Apr 28 05:58:15 <ragsagar> PC2K: thanks.
Apr 28 05:58:16 <squ> quit the app while it does build
Apr 28 05:58:21 <squ> it won't quit
Apr 28 05:58:25 <squ> build doesn't stop
Apr 28 05:58:43 <PC2K> yep
Apr 28 05:58:53 <Odaym> shit software?
Apr 28 05:59:01 <PC2K> that time you will know important of task manager
Apr 28 05:59:04 <Odaym> you are a lost cause my friend
Apr 28 05:59:30 <PC2K> yw
Apr 28 06:06:21 <Odaym> I saw yesterday what you guys meant about larger heap for grade
Apr 28 06:08:51 <Odaym> I'm gonna do it, I got 16 Gb for this desktop at work
Apr 28 06:12:36 <Odaym> with AS 2.1
Apr 28 06:12:56 <ragsagar> When I am scanning for bluetooth le device in Nexus 9 tab, it is failing with the following error SCAN_FAILED_OUT_OF_HARDWARE_RESOURCES ( error code 5). What could be the reason?
Apr 28 06:13:57 <ragsagar> Scanning failes immediately.
Apr 28 06:14:03 <ragsagar> fails*
Apr 28 06:20:45 <Odaym> scanning from a program to find your nexus tab 9?
Apr 28 06:23:39 <ragsagar> After looking into the Scanner code, i think my ScannerSetting CALLBACK_TYPE_FIRST_MATCH is the reason.
Apr 28 06:27:47 <Odaym> just scan for available devices there's a callback for it
Apr 28 06:28:01 <Odaym> I have some code here that works perfectly for it if you get stuck
Apr 28 06:28:28 <Odaym> plus the scanning process has improved a lot and there's now a very good library that abstracts all the shit for you
Apr 28 06:30:06 <Odaym> check it out https://corgi-test.polidea.com/blog/RxAndroidBLE_the_most_Simple_way_to_code_Bluetooth_Low_Energy_devices/
Apr 28 06:34:23 <squ> eh
Apr 28 06:34:26 <squ> interesting
Apr 28 08:20:10 <gusnan> Is Android Studio on topic here? In that case: Can I make all Tool windows gather in one window, but one external from my editor window? As it is  now, they are all one tool per window, cluttering up my desktop.
Apr 28 08:20:55 <Yotta92> Hello fellow devs, short question if I have a device with ~264 ppi, which resource package will it check first for the drawables: is it hdpi (240dpi) or xhdpi (320dpi) ?
Apr 28 08:23:36 <Ashiren> Yotta92: it depends on device how it 'seed' itself
Apr 28 08:23:54 <Ashiren> i.e. samsung s2 is 213dpi but goes to hdpi
Apr 28 08:24:07 <Ashiren> 'sees'*
Apr 28 08:25:02 <Yotta92> hmmm, I have Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 9.7
Apr 28 08:27:28 <Ashiren> dunno
Apr 28 08:27:48 <Yotta92> http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html 2048x1536 actually goes under xhdpi
Apr 28 08:27:49 <Ashiren> according to this http://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s2/help/change-dpi-t3208698 its xhdpi
Apr 28 08:28:47 <Yotta92> Ashiren, thank you.
Apr 28 08:30:06 <Odaym> hey guys
Apr 28 08:30:15 <Odaym> can I get some tips on how to implement an onDismissListener for this? https://github.com/roomorama/AndroidCountryPicker
Apr 28 08:31:36 <Odaym> I see that it implements DialogInterface.OnDismissListener
Apr 28 08:33:13 <Odaym> ah nvm i got it
Apr 28 08:43:59 <Odaym> ez
Apr 28 09:18:44 <justJanne> Great. Is there any way to exempt an app from doze for a user?
Apr 28 09:18:49 <justJanne> Maybe an adb command?
Apr 28 09:18:53 <justJanne> Or only via root?
Apr 28 09:19:06 <justJanne> It’s getting annoying that WhatsApp Web closes every time the screen goes off.
Apr 28 09:25:01 <justJanne> Having to shake my phone constantly to be able to use WhatsApp Web kinda defeats the purpose
Apr 28 09:25:58 <freekevin> whats good about whatsapp?
Apr 28 09:26:30 <justJanne> freekevin: Network Effect: Everyone has it.
Apr 28 09:30:50 <Odaym> what's good about your question freekevin
Apr 28 09:30:56 <Odaym> lol
Apr 28 09:31:54 <xorgate> i have 2 flavors, and for each flavor i want a seperate class to handle certain things. Is this a dependency injection candidate? (i'm a neophyte regarding dependency injection)
Apr 28 09:50:22 <alex_PP> xorgate, that'd be one way to do it
Apr 28 09:51:13 <alex_PP> by that I mean, you could use DI to do that, but it's not its only use
Apr 28 09:51:41 <ReScO> ugh, i hate adapters
Apr 28 09:51:55 <alex_PP> ReScO, why?
Apr 28 09:52:04 <ReScO> Because i don't get how they work :P
Apr 28 09:52:45 <ReScO> Say, for instance, i've got a JSON File with a URL, Title and a little description, how can i count all items in that json file, and add them to say, a CardView?
Apr 28 09:52:54 <ReScO> or better, spawn multiple cards
Apr 28 09:53:05 <xorgate> alex_PP: ok, my focus is not necessarily DI though. What would be another way to achieve what i want? Maybe just place different classes with the same signature in different flavor folders? that seems a bit flakey
Apr 28 09:53:17 <alex_PP> xorgate: that'd also work
Apr 28 09:53:23 <ReScO> Oh, and each card should have it's image reloaded every 2 seconds...
Apr 28 09:53:25 <alex_PP> can be a pain in the arse though]
Apr 28 09:53:47 <xorgate> ReScO: you could use a lib like gson to convert that json string to a list of objects
Apr 28 09:54:05 <alex_PP> yeah, don't work with raw JSON, we're not animals
Apr 28 09:54:35 <alex_PP> look at using picasso or simmilar for image chaching too
Apr 28 09:54:48 <Odaym> ++ alex
Apr 28 09:55:18 <Odaym> alex_PlusPlus
Apr 28 09:55:28 <xorgate> what i'm trying to do is avoid having 1 flavor require a library for compilation that it does not use. so i thought i should place all that functionality inside a class that it would never know about
Apr 28 09:55:36 <squ> I have only 1 friend in whats up
Apr 28 09:55:43 <squ> the guy who recommended to use it
Apr 28 09:55:53 <squ> he said it is great app which I must use
Apr 28 09:56:16 <squ> so we downloaded, installed it and he is now the only contact in there
Apr 28 09:56:18 <squ> ))
Apr 28 09:56:28 <alex_PP> I have the same deal squ
Apr 28 09:56:32 <squ> yea
Apr 28 09:57:09 <squ> freekevin: you are not alone questioning about whats good about whastup
Apr 28 09:57:12 <ReScO> http://ijmondbereikbaar.nl/camerabeelden/ i'm trying to stuff all those cam feeds into a single app
Apr 28 09:57:40 <alex_PP> xorgate, that's what I'd do
Apr 28 10:00:30 <alex_PP> ReScO, I'd start by learning how to write a nice adapter, worry about the refreshes later
Apr 28 10:00:52 <alex_PP> I always extend BaseAdapter to start
Apr 28 10:01:33 <ReScO> alex_PP, https://gitlab.brainblendr.com/iSDP/IJmondBereikbaar/blob/development/app/src/main/java/com/brainblendr/foss/ijmondbereikbaarcams/CameraImageAdapter.java
Apr 28 10:01:41 <alex_PP> in getView, choose an entry from your JSON and add the details to a view
Apr 28 10:02:20 <Atomic_zpw0p> what environment do you use?
Apr 28 10:02:52 <ReScO> Atomic_zpw0p, Android Studio
Apr 28 10:03:19 <xorgate> ReScO:  not using RecyclerView  ?
Apr 28 10:03:32 <ReScO> alex_PP, that's only for the GridView images, i'm looking to extend to Cards, but i'm not sure if that's up to spec with a list of camera images
Apr 28 10:03:32 <Atomic_zpw0p> does it have an emulator?
Apr 28 10:03:41 <ReScO> Atomic_zpw0p, i use my phone as emu
Apr 28 10:04:27 <xorgate> ReScO: looking at your code, it appears you lack some basic knowledge about adapters etc. did you look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBM6wVEO70
Apr 28 10:05:02 <xorgate> verplichte kost, ook wel :)
Apr 28 10:06:40 <Atomic_zpw0p> resco which phone?
Apr 28 10:06:57 <ReScO> xorgate, ugh, zo weinig info in zo veel video
Apr 28 10:07:07 <Ashiren> omelette du fromage?
Apr 28 10:07:11 <ReScO> i like text more for this reason :(
Apr 28 10:07:30 <ReScO> Atomic_zpw0p, SGS6
Apr 28 10:08:09 <xorgate> it's a good video imho
Apr 28 10:08:50 <alex_PP> ReScO, that video's the best description of adapters really
Apr 28 10:10:25 <alex_PP> and how to do them fast
Apr 28 10:10:53 <alex_PP> I'd wouldn't start the async task from your adapter either
Apr 28 10:11:28 <alex_PP> I'd most likely write a custom view that you could set the url on and have that use picasso to update itself
Apr 28 10:12:22 <alex_PP> or try and be clever with scheduling in the activity/fragment and pass the results down to the adapter
Apr 28 10:14:45 <ReScO> alex_PP, trying to watch one hour of talk about one feature is way too much for my brain o.o"
Apr 28 10:14:54 <ReScO> too much info to process, and it takes waaaaaaay too long
Apr 28 10:15:20 <Odaym> what're you trying to drop
Apr 28 10:15:27 <Odaym> doop*
Apr 28 10:16:27 <ReScO> Odaym, trying to understand Adapters, and fetching info from the internet for that Adapter
Apr 28 10:16:52 <Odaym> adapter is a design pattern
Apr 28 10:17:02 <Odaym> try checking out how recyclerview adapter works, it's really easy
Apr 28 10:17:15 <ReScO> Using Cards will probably be a better idea, looking at what i'm working with (cam stream, title, subtitle and some info)
Apr 28 10:17:34 <ReScO> Also, RecyclerView is probably better than a GridView :P
Apr 28 10:20:50 <ReScO> xorgate, so much info! :(
Apr 28 10:22:38 <ReScO> web Atomic_zpw0p
Apr 28 10:22:40 <ReScO> wb *
Apr 28 10:23:11 <Atomic_zpw0p> thank's
Apr 28 10:23:45 <Atomic_zpw0p> I want to rub gibberbot
Apr 28 10:24:20 <Atomic_zpw0p> run
Apr 28 10:24:43 <Atomic_zpw0p> this tapscreen isn't for me
Apr 28 10:31:57 * man_in_shack waves
Apr 28 10:32:36 <man_in_shack> i'm trying to get HelloJNI code sample working but it's complaining i don't have build-tools 23.0.2
Apr 28 10:32:41 <man_in_shack> how do i tell it to use 23.0.3?
Apr 28 10:33:02 <Ashiren> in gradle
Apr 28 10:33:52 <man_in_shack> more specifically?
Apr 28 10:34:10 <man_in_shack> http://dpaste.com/1ZF89MX  << that's the included build.gradle
Apr 28 10:34:34 <Ashiren> app module, gradle properties, buildToolsVersion
Apr 28 10:35:05 <man_in_shack> ah, i was only looking under "gradle scripts"
Apr 28 10:35:06 <man_in_shack> thanks
Apr 28 10:35:06 <Ashiren> module's gradle, not project
Apr 28 10:35:48 <man_in_shack> yeah
Apr 28 10:42:11 <ReScO> does anyone know what the updated list is for all updates etc?
Apr 28 10:43:00 <ReScO> i'm trying to set up a docker image, and the one i was using is outdated
Apr 28 10:43:21 <Atomic_zpw0p> man_in_shack what are you working on?
Apr 28 10:47:23 <Atomic_zpw0p2> man_in_shack what are you working on?
Apr 28 10:49:42 <Atomic_zpw0p2> man_in_shack quit responding
Apr 28 10:55:27 <Odaym> man_in_shock
Apr 28 10:56:00 <man_in_shack> hmm
Apr 28 10:56:05 <man_in_shack> right now, eating dinner :P
Apr 28 10:56:53 <man_in_shack> want to do a couple of apps for audio/music work
Apr 28 10:58:15 <man_in_shack> frequency analysis/manipulation, fun stuff like that
Apr 28 11:00:16 <Atomic_zpw0p2> I cant download anything.
Apr 28 11:00:30 <man_in_shack> define "anything"
Apr 28 11:00:31 <Atomic_zpw0p2> Everything is maulled.
Apr 28 11:00:45 <Ashiren> define everything
Apr 28 11:01:10 <Atomic_zpw0p2> Abyvsmall source package by the time I copy it ti the desktop it is unrecognized.
Apr 28 11:01:49 <Atomic_zpw0p2> This phone service needs to be shut down.
Apr 28 11:02:19 <Atomic_zpw0p2> It is not unusual for these things to be a waste of money.
Apr 28 11:03:25 <Atomic_zpw0p2> Paying for an internet service and it doesnt work to any benifitial use
Apr 28 11:05:12 <Ashiren> you can still use irc
Apr 28 11:06:45 <Atomic_zpw0p2> Is it benificial
Apr 28 11:07:03 <Atomic_zpw0p2> The bots are cleverly coded tovask for info
Apr 28 11:07:14 <Atomic_zpw0p2> they keep askung then argue
Apr 28 11:07:38 <Atomic_zpw0p2> same thing over and over
Apr 28 11:07:58 <Atomic_zpw0p2> sometimes a useful link is dropped
Apr 28 11:08:51 <Atomic_zpw0p2> such as the link to the android source code
Apr 28 11:09:17 <Atomic_zpw0p2> however I cant download the files using this connection
Apr 28 11:10:29 <Atomic_zpw0p2> I am thinking about buying a 2 way radio set
Apr 28 11:10:49 <Atomic_zpw0p2> Any knowledge of 2way radios?
Apr 28 11:11:32 <Atomic_zpw0p2> That is my goal in coding the android to open direct live sockets to talk similar to a telephone
Apr 28 11:12:02 <Atomic_zpw0p2> albeit a codec data stream instead of voice
Apr 28 11:16:27 <Atomic_zpw0p2> do androids have realtime audio processing?
Apr 28 11:17:01 <Atomic_zpw0p2> is talking about android developmebt not welcomed?
Apr 28 11:17:23 <Atomic_zpw0p2> why do yoy not respond?
Apr 28 11:21:37 <wyoung> Atomic_zpw0p2: bed time
Apr 28 11:21:56 <man_in_shack> define "realtime audio processing"
Apr 28 11:23:15 <wyoung> man_in_shack: autotune app :)
Apr 28 11:23:32 <wyoung> Atomic_zpw0p2 wants to be a country singer
Apr 28 11:24:03 <ReScO> does anyone know what the updated list is for all updates etc, or how to retrieve such a list?
Apr 28 11:24:27 <Zharf> what?
Apr 28 11:25:44 <ReScO> android update sdk --all --force --no-ui --filter platform-tools,tools,build-tools-21,build-tools-21.0.1,build-tools-21.0.2,build-tools-21.1,build-tools-21.1
Apr 28 11:25:44 <ReScO> .1,build-tools-21.1.2,build-tools-22,build-tools-22.0.1,build-tools-23.0.2,android-21,android-22,android-23,addon-google_apis_x86-google-21,extra-android-support,extra-android-m2repository,extra-google-m2
Apr 28 11:25:44 <ReScO> repository,extra-google-google_play_services,sys-img-armeabi-v7a-android-21
Apr 28 11:26:04 <ReScO> the trying to update that command to download everything
Apr 28 11:31:57 <Atomic_zpw0p2> I havebt tried all of that.
Apr 28 11:31:59 <ReScO> say, the full SDK
Apr 28 11:32:40 <Atomic_zpw0p2> I attempted to use the commandline sdk and it wants to be plugged into an update repo.
Apr 28 11:32:57 <Atomic_zpw0p2> No internet lune to run updates from
Apr 28 11:50:15 <tim241>  I installed nethunter on my device and the HID attacks does not work
Apr 28 11:52:32 <xorgate> in the new AS i can start my app on a device, and then when i run it another time, it defaults to that device. How can i get it to select another device?
Apr 28 11:55:10 <Ashiren> xorgate: Run -> Edit configurations
Apr 28 11:55:18 <Ashiren> there shoulb be checkbox for using the same device
Apr 28 11:56:50 <xorgate> yeah that was not checked.. i think the problem is it defaults to instant run, ignoring other devices. if i kill the process, i get the popup again. thanks
Apr 28 12:24:07 <stephan48> xorgate: stop the app
Apr 28 12:24:12 <stephan48> xorgate: and relaunch
Apr 28 12:41:37 <Odaym> you just unplug replug your device
Apr 28 12:41:54 <Odaym> or Run > Edit Configurations > Prompt for device
Apr 28 12:41:58 <Odaym> EZ bro
Apr 28 12:49:36 <Zta77> I'm trying to write a gradle function that parses an xmlfile with containing something like this = "<resources><string name="rc">rc123</string></resources>".  I want to read out "rc123" by looking up the "rc" attribute.  I've been trying with this, but no luck =(  println new XmlSlurper().parse(file).find{ it.$name == "rc"}
Apr 28 12:49:55 <Zta77> Anyone know how to do it right?
Apr 28 12:52:25 <Maurits-> hm, does anyone know what one has to do to get a more modern search interface
Apr 28 12:52:32 <Maurits-> ie, something like googles apps
Apr 28 12:52:52 <Maurits-> both the system search dialog and the search widget look a bit dated
Apr 28 12:53:08 <Maurits-> do I just have to throw in the searchview in a custom layout
Apr 28 12:53:09 <xorgate> unplug device yeh.. no
Apr 28 12:53:44 <Eplebit> Maurits-: last time I checked, google themselves don't use their own widgets for that...
Apr 28 12:53:54 <Maurits-> that's what I thought
Apr 28 12:57:47 <Eplebit> can't find the source of that now, though
Apr 28 12:58:17 <Eplebit> but you don't like this one?
Apr 28 12:58:17 <Eplebit> http://www.materialdoc.com/search-filter/
Apr 28 12:58:57 <Eplebit> there are some on android arsenal and github, but I don't know which one is best(tm) :/
Apr 28 13:00:16 <Maurits-> Eplebit: I'll have a look at that one, thanks!
Apr 28 13:00:47 <stephan48> can I inject a value into a file with gradle? like the current git revision?
Apr 28 13:04:33 <Mavrik> stephan48, yes, you can add fields to BuildConfig
Apr 28 13:05:27 <Mavrik> stephan48, http://stackoverflow.com/a/31048401
Apr 28 13:12:40 <xorgate> stephan48: def gitSha = 'git rev-parse --short HEAD'.execute([], project.rootDir).text.trim()    and then later: buildConfigField "String", "GIT_SHA", "\"${gitSha}\""
Apr 28 13:14:09 <stephan48> Mavrik, xorgate: thank you!
Apr 28 13:15:19 <Mavrik> xorgate, I prefer GrGit tho :P
Apr 28 13:17:26 <DevAntoine> hi
Apr 28 13:17:38 <DevAntoine> We've got an application working offline and online, using data from an api of our own. When the appli goes online we (well, I) have to synchronize the data with the api. I've never done such a thing, I don't even know what to llok for on google. Our API is in PHP using PostgreSQL and our App use SQLite
Apr 28 13:19:21 <OneSploit> Hi, if I root my Nexus 5X will I still be able to receive updates ?
Apr 28 13:21:26 <Mavrik> OneSploit, no.
Apr 28 13:22:10 <Mavrik> DevAntoine, you probably want to create a service that will do the synchronization and run it using JobScheduler / GcmNetworkManager APIs
Apr 28 13:23:59 <DevAntoine> Mavrik: the part causing me headaches is "how to synchronize data", not how to send it. At the end should the app send a bunch of queries to execute api side, should it send a diff db, etc.?
Apr 28 13:24:37 <Mavrik> DevAntoine, is data per-user or global?
Apr 28 13:24:59 <Mavrik> How much data are we talking about? How many entries in sqlite?
Apr 28 13:25:01 <DevAntoine> Mavrik: global
Apr 28 13:25:21 <DevAntoine> Mavrik: it depends how long the app will stay offline
Apr 28 13:25:44 <DevAntoine> Mavrik: my coworkers doing the app want to use the flatbuffers to send me data, because it can be quite huge
Apr 28 13:26:22 <Mavrik> If it's global, send a timestamp of last update.
Apr 28 13:26:34 <Mavrik> E.g. "I have a version of database from <date>, send me updates"
Apr 28 13:26:53 <Mavrik> and server should then return "Deleted: <list of IDs>, NewAndUpdated: [<list of data >]"
Apr 28 13:28:34 <safinn> can someone tell me how to check tabs on a TabLayout with Espresso? onView(withText("tab")).check(matches(isDisplayed())); does not work
Apr 28 13:30:53 <DevAntoine> Mavrik: that's our current approach
Apr 28 13:31:07 <DevAntoine> but I'm wondering if there isn't a better way of doing this than send queries
Apr 28 13:31:25 <DevAntoine> because if with have constraints in the db we need to execute the queries in a given order
Apr 28 13:31:41 <Queenslayer> Hello devs
Apr 28 13:31:42 <DevAntoine> and basically we're just synchronizing dbs, and there's already tools for doing it
Apr 28 13:32:19 <Queenslayer> File structure....how to keep binds on reboot
Apr 28 13:33:50 <Queenslayer> If I bind/link folder to an external source the apps crash and become unusable until I delete cache and data
Apr 28 13:34:02 <Queenslayer> This happens when I reboot
Apr 28 13:34:16 <Queenslayer> How can I make permanent changes ?
Apr 28 13:39:26 <Odaym> where's the question
Apr 28 13:41:01 <drose379> How you doin Odaym
Apr 28 13:41:12 <Odaym> well I just got paid
Apr 28 13:41:15 <Odaym> IM DOIN WELL
Apr 28 13:42:50 <drose379> Paid from Snippet stuff?
Apr 28 13:43:01 <Odaym> no, job
Apr 28 13:43:04 <Odaym> jobe
Apr 28 13:43:10 <drose379> Oh nice, what do you do?
Apr 28 13:43:26 <Odaym> well android of course
Apr 28 13:43:38 <Odaym> joke's on them! :D
Apr 28 13:43:45 <drose379> Why is the joke on them
Apr 28 13:43:59 <Odaym> it's just fun to make fun of yourself
Apr 28 13:44:10 <Odaym> meaning they're the fools who think im good enough to get paid to do it
Apr 28 13:49:04 <drose379> You dont think you are?
Apr 28 13:49:17 <drose379> You seem pretty knowledgable Odaym ?
Apr 28 13:49:59 <Odaym> pro googler
Apr 28 13:50:53 <Odaym> you done with college yet?
Apr 28 13:52:06 <drose379> No Im a freshman haha
Apr 28 13:52:10 <drose379> Few more years
Apr 28 13:52:14 <Odaym> ohh
Apr 28 13:52:29 <Odaym> well bro, catch you later
Apr 28 13:52:33 <drose379> You leaving?
Apr 28 13:52:33 <Odaym> gotta go
Apr 28 13:52:36 <Odaym> yea
Apr 28 13:52:38 <drose379> Ok, good to see you
Apr 28 13:52:41 <Odaym> same
Apr 28 14:21:36 <yiati> Is there a technical term for a memory leak that is caused by an object that takes really long holding a reference that you want recycled such as an Activity?
Apr 28 14:24:43 <drose379> I thought it was just a memory leak
Apr 28 14:26:08 <barq> ^
Apr 28 14:28:11 <xorgate> has the google maps library been fixed so we can bring a marker to the front, yet?
Apr 28 14:34:11 <yiati> drose379: Yeah idk, assuming the long task finishes it will definitely get gc'ed eventually
Apr 28 14:34:31 <yiati> drose379: Thought I heard some unofficial term for it that I liked once, but forgot
Apr 28 14:34:32 <yiati> :(
Apr 28 14:34:46 <drose379> Whats the situation yiati
Apr 28 14:35:31 <yiati> My question for 12 minutes ago about term for a long task "memory leak"
Apr 28 14:35:35 <yiati> s/for/from/
Apr 28 14:36:00 <yiati> not super important, just wondering if anyone had a term they use or have seen that is concise in describing it
Apr 28 14:36:14 <yiati> I've seen one before but forgot
Apr 28 14:36:22 <drose379> A long running task should really not be connected to a View (Actiivty)
Apr 28 14:36:37 <yiati> definitely
Apr 28 14:36:48 <drose379> Unless the Activity is able to disconnect itself from the task when destroyed
Apr 28 14:36:48 <barq> A temporary memory leak.
Apr 28 14:37:15 <yiati> barq: Hmm that might be it
Apr 28 14:38:09 <drose379> Speaking of this:
Apr 28 14:38:14 <drose379> I have a View, Presenter and Model
Apr 28 14:38:27 <drose379> The presenter is connected to the Model, which may be involved in a background task
Apr 28 14:38:46 <drose379> And the View is connected to the Prestner (Presenter holds ref to View)
Apr 28 14:38:58 <drose379> If, when the View is destroyed, it disconnects from the Presenter, there will be no leak, right?
Apr 28 14:39:30 <barq> How are you connecting the background task to the model?
Apr 28 14:40:25 <drose379> I have a runnable inner class
Apr 28 14:40:30 <drose379> Then in the model
Apr 28 14:40:35 <drose379> new Thread( runnable )
Apr 28 14:41:24 <barq> Check if LeakCanary.
Apr 28 14:41:29 <barq> s/if/with
Apr 28 14:41:41 <drose379> Not sure how to use that
Apr 28 14:41:46 <drose379> Ill look into it
Apr 28 14:41:55 <drose379> But from what I described, do you think there could be any leaks?
Apr 28 14:42:06 <drose379> I mean, the view is disconnected whenever it is stopped, so I dont see where it would leak
Apr 28 14:42:51 <barq> In your Application's onCreate add LeakCanary.install(this); and then add the dependency to your gradle. That's it.
Apr 28 14:43:15 <drose379> Oh, sweet
Apr 28 14:43:20 <drose379> And itll tell me when tehre are leaks?
Apr 28 14:44:02 <drose379> No way haha, thats awesome!
Apr 28 14:44:05 <drose379> How do they detect leaks?
Apr 28 14:46:02 <tilal6991> drose379: they monitor activity lifecycle and then register reference queues with GC
Apr 28 14:46:12 <drose379> Should be very useful
Apr 28 14:46:21 <drose379> So something just pops up when there is a leak
Apr 28 14:46:23 <drose379> ?
Apr 28 14:46:26 <tilal6991> Yes
Apr 28 14:47:01 <freiform> Does anyone have experience in using class compliant audio devices with android? I can playback or record using AudioRecorder or AudioTrack, but I am not able to e.g. configure the mixer (monitoring causes loopback) or using internal android audio when teh usb device is connected.
Apr 28 14:47:01 <drose379> Cool
Apr 28 14:47:03 <drose379> Thanks guys
Apr 28 14:47:44 <barq> They dumbed down the readme, it no longer explains how LeakCanary works.
Apr 28 14:48:15 <barq> Ah, they moved it to the wiki: https://github.com/square/leakcanary/wiki/FAQ#how-does-it-work
Apr 28 14:50:17 <drose379> Nice find
Apr 28 14:51:01 <drose379> bbl, thanks for help
Apr 28 14:54:55 <xorgate> is there a gradle plugin or something to generate appropriate dpi versions of a huge source bitmap?
Apr 28 14:59:55 <missingno> xorgate: there's builtin converting of vectors to pngs
Apr 28 15:00:03 <xorgate> ooh right yes
Apr 28 15:00:06 <xorgate> thanks
Apr 28 15:03:40 <konk3r> Is there any big benefit to setting a toolbar inside the activity instead of just managing it entirely in fragments/views
Apr 28 15:04:11 <missingno> depends on what your fragments have in them
Apr 28 15:04:34 <missingno> if your fragments all have a similar looking toolbar then maybe it should be in the activity
Apr 28 15:04:49 <missingno> if your fragments all have different toolbar needs, then maybe it should be in the fragments
Apr 28 15:05:10 <konk3r> Right now my fragments are just recycler views, but now I want a collapsable toolbar so I don't think I can have them contained in a fragment
Apr 28 15:05:29 <konk3r> I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure the recyclerview needs to be a direct child of the coordinator layout
Apr 28 15:07:43 <steran> Is there a way to avoid batter saving mode to kill your foreground service?
Apr 28 15:30:24 <fBirD> hi
Apr 28 15:31:05 <konk3r> Hey
Apr 28 15:31:25 <fBirD> I currently using android api 18 in my project, but after gradle building it keeps asking for stuff from values-21
Apr 28 15:31:35 <ReScO> if i'm using RecyclerView, do i still need to use fragments?
Apr 28 15:31:36 <fBirD> anyone knows why ?
Apr 28 15:31:46 <pfn> ReScO, unrelated
Apr 28 15:32:01 <pfn> fBirD, appcompat-v7 21
Apr 28 15:32:05 <ReScO> and how do i work with a recyclerview and fragments?
Apr 28 15:32:14 <pfn> fBirD, major version must match compile sdk
Apr 28 15:32:17 <pfn> ReScO, unrelated
Apr 28 15:32:18 <fBirD> pfn, yes it keeps asking for that
Apr 28 15:32:29 <pfn> fBirD, see above
Apr 28 15:33:09 <ReScO> pfn, so i use the code to work with the RecyclerView in the Fragments
Apr 28 15:33:11 <ReScO> ?
Apr 28 15:33:20 <fBirD> my min version is 15 and my compile version is 18
Apr 28 15:33:29 <pfn>  they have nothing g to do with each other
Apr 28 15:33:50 <pfn> fBirD, 18! = 21
Apr 28 15:33:59 <ReScO> pfn, then where do i put the code below the xml on this page? http://developer.android.com/training/material/lists-cards.html
Apr 28 15:34:40 <pfn> ReScO, the same as any other view
Apr 28 15:34:41 <fBirD> pfn, yes but i don't need to use version 21 only 18
Apr 28 15:34:53 <pfn> fBirD, then don't use appcompat 21
Apr 28 15:35:05 <pfn> use appcompat 18
Apr 28 15:35:20 <pfn> and if there's no such thing, no appcompat for you
Apr 28 15:35:28 <konk3r> ReScO: put the activity code in the onCreateView method of your fragment instead
Apr 28 15:35:38 <fBirD> pfn, but i don't have any reference for 21
Apr 28 15:35:48 <konk3r> Well, "activity code", the code that's found in onCreate() for that activity
Apr 28 15:35:51 <pfn> fBirD, you do, appcompat-v7
Apr 28 15:36:27 <pfn> how many times do I. Jace to
Apr 28 15:36:31 <ReScO> konk3r, thought as much, wondered when working with multiple fragments, where would i put the recyclerview code if all fragments have recyclerview?
Apr 28 15:36:35 <pfn> have to keep saying the same thing
Apr 28 15:37:00 <ReScO> s/recyclerview?/recyclerview/
Apr 28 15:37:21 <ReScO> having a phone call at the same time as IRC'ing is hell
Apr 28 15:37:32 <konk3r> Think of it like this: Each fragment is a UI piece that lives on its own and doesn't care about anything else
Apr 28 15:37:41 <fBirD> pfn, i already removed appcompat-v7 from gradle depedencies and the message still occour
Apr 28 15:37:54 <pfn> fBirD, clean
Apr 28 15:38:04 <pfn> fBirD, always clean after changing dependencies
Apr 28 15:38:16 <fBirD> pfn, i already do that to
Apr 28 15:38:20 <fBirD> no result
Apr 28 15:38:29 <konk3r> So if your fragments each have their own recyclerview, they all handle them on their own regardless of what the others are doing
Apr 28 15:38:41 <ReScO> okidokie :D
Apr 28 15:38:43 <pfn> fBirD, then you require v21
Apr 28 15:38:52 <pfn> and it wasnt because of appcompat
Apr 28 15:39:12 <ReScO> that actually makes sense, that Google I/O - The world of ListView video is waaay too chaotic
Apr 28 15:39:59 <fBirD> pfn, thanks for the help
Apr 28 15:40:20 <konk3r> If you're just getting started with android dev/fragments, this is the easiest way to manage it
Apr 28 15:40:41 <konk3r> Once you wrap your head around it you can decide what architecture you think best fits your situation
Apr 28 15:41:04 <ReScO> On to implementing the RecyclerView and CardViews...
Apr 28 15:41:16 <konk3r> In my last app my main view is one single recyclerView, I just swap out the adapters for it when the content changes
Apr 28 15:58:21 <orbyt_> s73v3r you in the building
Apr 28 15:58:23 <ReScO> konk3r, reading the Material spec, apparently in cards, only use 1:1 or 16:9 aspect ratios, but the images i need to use are 4:3 >_<
Apr 28 15:59:09 <konk3r> They're just guidelines, don't worry about it too much
Apr 28 15:59:45 <konk3r> Adhere to them when you can, but no app is going to follow them 100% (Google's own apps even stray from them)
Apr 28 16:02:44 <orbyt_> s73v3r: You remember that json schema I showed you yesterday
Apr 28 16:02:47 <pfn> guidelines are made to be broken
Apr 28 16:02:59 <s73v3r> how could I forget
Apr 28 16:03:23 <konk3r> Hell, I remember that json schema and you weren't even showing it to me
Apr 28 16:03:54 <orbyt_> So someone recommended I use a HashMap and it works: http://prntscr.com/axy8yy
Apr 28 16:04:01 <orbyt_> though, im not sure why it works
Apr 28 16:04:14 <s73v3r> cause it’s just doing key-value stuff
Apr 28 16:04:45 <orbyt_> So what is retrofit doing here?
Apr 28 16:04:49 <s73v3r> which makes it ok for deserializing from json, but makes it crap for doing any kind of model object stuff with
Apr 28 16:10:03 <orbyt_> s73v3r: "model object stuff" <- what do you mean
Apr 28 16:10:15 <s73v3r> i mean actually using the model object to do things
Apr 28 16:10:34 <orbyt_> Well In that example the data is being thrown into my DjInfoResponse model
Apr 28 16:10:42 <orbyt_> which is everything i need
Apr 28 16:10:59 <s73v3r> which appears to be a hashmap
Apr 28 16:11:38 <orbyt_> No its the type of the values in the hashmap
Apr 28 16:11:47 <s73v3r> ahh
Apr 28 16:11:57 <orbyt_> and theres only 1, which is the number from that retarted schema
Apr 28 16:12:14 <alex_PP> orbyt_, what's your schema?
Apr 28 16:15:06 <orbyt_> alex_PP: 1 sec
Apr 28 16:16:24 <orbyt_> prnt.sc/axltcd
Apr 28 16:16:47 <orbyt_> erm http://prnt.sc/axltcd
Apr 28 16:16:52 <alex_PP> wow
Apr 28 16:16:57 <orbyt_> mhm
Apr 28 16:17:04 <alex_PP> it's like they didn't know arrays exists?
Apr 28 16:17:04 <orbyt_> so that top number
Apr 28 16:17:09 <orbyt_> changes
Apr 28 16:17:15 <orbyt_> depending on the query in the url
Apr 28 16:17:46 <alex_PP> yeah, I think Map<> was the right choice for you
Apr 28 16:17:51 <orbyt_> lol theres 1 where its a giant string of numbers with commas inbetween
Apr 28 16:17:58 <orbyt_> like 1000+ values
Apr 28 16:18:03 <orbyt_> anyway
Apr 28 16:18:18 <orbyt_> I'm trying to figure out why it works though
Apr 28 16:18:42 <orbyt_> it maps my model object to that top level number as the key in my hashmap
Apr 28 16:18:43 <alex_PP> because that outer object is basically a map with one entry and a key of 69
Apr 28 16:19:09 <alex_PP> you could define the whole thing as Map<Map<Map, ...>>
Apr 28 16:19:13 <alex_PP> JSON objects are maps
Apr 28 16:19:17 <orbyt_> oh really?
Apr 28 16:19:41 <alex_PP> turning them into typed objects just makes them nicer to work with
Apr 28 16:20:14 <orbyt_> alright, thanks.
Apr 28 16:20:19 <konk3r> I definitely get how that works, having to wrap it in a HashMap seems like a mild annoyance but a lot better than writing custom deserializers
Apr 28 16:20:33 <orbyt_> mhm
Apr 28 16:20:39 <alex_PP> really, all objects are maps, just with type information. name->value pairs
Apr 28 16:20:57 <s73v3r> the downside is that Maps aren’t nice to work with in the rest of the code, compared to actual objects
Apr 28 16:21:15 <orbyt_> better than the alternatives imo
Apr 28 16:21:17 <s73v3r> you’ve got to keep track of keys, and if those change, you have more changes
Apr 28 16:21:43 <g00s> yeah, sounds like terrible candidates for model classes
Apr 28 16:21:56 <s73v3r> you could take that map, and put it into a factory which would spit out an actual object
Apr 28 16:22:15 <alex_PP> i'd write a custom TypeAdapter
Apr 28 16:22:16 <s73v3r> or you could go and beat up the guys who thought that schema was a good idea
Apr 28 16:22:19 <alex_PP> https://google-gson.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/gson/docs/javadocs/com/google/gson/TypeAdapter.html
Apr 28 16:22:59 <alex_PP> unwrap as the first step and then pass off to the GSON defaults
Apr 28 16:23:17 <konk3r> ^^ I'm going to side with the beat them up option
Apr 28 16:23:29 <orbyt_> meh 4th day here, dont feel like getting fired just yet
Apr 28 16:25:00 <s73v3r> i dunno. if i saw something like that, and people thought that was a good idea, I’d wonder if staying would be the worse option
Apr 28 16:25:49 <alex_PP> map.values() will give you a collection of the objects in your map
Apr 28 16:25:59 <alex_PP> you can ignore the keys as they're in the object too
Apr 28 16:27:32 <alex_PP> bed time for me
Apr 28 16:27:37 <alex_PP> bye
Apr 28 16:59:48 <truckcrash> g00s, is your name http://www.naturephoto-cz.com/fullsize/mraz/greyland-goose-17x_15a878.jpg or http://www.welcometocompany.com/sites/default/files/campfire/roxy1_0.jpg ?
Apr 28 16:59:52 <truckcrash> just curious ^^
Apr 28 17:00:20 <g00s> truckcrash no ;)
Apr 28 17:00:24 <truckcrash> neither?!
Apr 28 17:01:44 * mrandroid is glad to be at work
Apr 28 17:03:03 <konk3r> Can you programatically add an action view to a toolbar without a menu icon? Say you want to open a search from a FAB instead of from a menu icon
Apr 28 17:12:02 <konk3r> Hahaha, okay, I started on a new project using fragments and have been thinking, "I overreacted, fragments really aren't that bad"
Apr 28 17:12:13 <konk3r> A few weeks in and I remember why I've been using custom views instead of fragments
Apr 28 17:12:51 <mrandroid> So, when I update my SDK from the command line I notice some SDK's are repeatedly downloaded even though they are not actually udpated. Has anyone else seen this?
Apr 28 17:12:58 <mrandroid> Here's the command I'm using: $android update sdk --all --no-ui --filter extra-android-m2repository,extra-android-support,platform-tools,android-23,tool
Apr 28 17:16:09 <mrandroid> in other words ... downloading and updating is happening even when there's nothing new/no change in the SDK components I'm interested in.
Apr 28 17:16:11 <pfn> mrandroid, can you pastebin the output of the command?
Apr 28 17:16:22 <pfn> probably because the package.xml is corrupted
Apr 28 17:19:07 <mrandroid> pfn: http://pastebin.com/Xw6z0cCn
Apr 28 17:23:01 <konk3r> If Google would completely disconnect Toolbars from Activities, I would be sooooo happy
Apr 28 17:24:42 <SimonVT> Uh, what?
Apr 28 17:25:01 <konk3r> They've halfway done it
Apr 28 17:25:26 <SimonVT> What are they missing?
Apr 28 17:25:45 <konk3r> OnCreateOptionsMenu takes place inside the activity lifecycle
Apr 28 17:26:05 <SimonVT> That's just you connecting Toolbar to the Activity again
Apr 28 17:26:10 <SimonVT> After Google completely disconnected it
Apr 28 17:26:21 <SimonVT> Toolbar#inflateMenu
Apr 28 17:26:26 <SimonVT> Toolbar#getMenu
Apr 28 17:27:06 <konk3r> Oh wow, appologizes google
Apr 28 17:28:58 <s73v3r> don’t worry too much about it. if you look up the guides for menus, I believe it still says to use the Activity methods
Apr 28 17:30:37 <konk3r> I mean, my bigger complaint here is with fragments. I've had to move my toolbar from inside the activity view to inside the fragment view because the fragments contain the recyclerview, and I want to connect them to a collapsing toolbar view. AFAIK the recyclerview needs to be a direct decendant of the coordinator layout for this to work
Apr 28 17:31:52 <konk3r> That's just making everything here messy.
Apr 28 17:35:45 <mrandroid> pfn: I'm not finding a file called package.xml in the Android SDK directory ... perhaps that's the problem? It's not clear in the docs where it's supposed to be.
Apr 28 17:42:08 <Demon_Jester> Is there a way I can give my android virtual device a lock screen? For testing purposes
Apr 28 17:44:07 <truckcrash> Demon_Jester, it would have a lock screen by default
Apr 28 17:44:34 <Demon_Jester> truckcrash, my custom android emulator doesn't..
Apr 28 17:45:28 <truckcrash> Ah, in that case, I'd have no clue how to configure your custom emulator.
Apr 28 18:00:26 <pfn> mrandroid, they're in the individual package directories
Apr 28 18:03:22 <drose379> Is there a way I can change my toolbar back button to white in styles.xml
Apr 28 18:04:04 <alexfu> any ideas on how to tint the cursor of an EditText at runtime?
Apr 28 18:04:18 <knapper_tech> Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_UID_CHANGED]
Apr 28 18:04:18 <knapper_tech>   
Apr 28 18:04:23 <knapper_tech> post jack experiment
Apr 28 18:04:49 <knapper_tech> Application doesn't want to install under any circumstances with same applicationId and I don't have root
Apr 28 18:04:56 <pfn> knapper_tech, adb uninstall
Apr 28 18:04:59 <knapper_tech> is there a better way to clear out the old applicationId?
Apr 28 18:05:24 <mrandroid> pfn: i searched the entire SDK directory and found none as well.  I would at least expect something like /Users/jorgev/Library/Android/sdk/add-ons/addon-google_apis-google-16/package.xml
Apr 28 18:05:38 <pfn> mrandroid, yeah, if you don't have those, android update sdk will download them
Apr 28 18:05:41 <mrandroid> pfn: i searched the entire SDK directory and found none as well.  I would at least expect something like Android/sdk/add-ons/addon-google_apis-google-16/package.xml
Apr 28 18:06:09 <pfn>  android-sdk-windows] $ find . -name package.xml | wc -l
Apr 28 18:06:09 <pfn> 49
Apr 28 18:06:28 <knapper_tech> pfn,  failure.  used application id.  nothing
Apr 28 18:07:15 <pfn> adb shell runas your-application-id rm -rf /data/data/your-application-id and other places where it might be
Apr 28 18:07:25 <pfn> knapper_tech, oh, and make sure you don't have android:user set anywhere
Apr 28 18:07:26 <mrandroid> android-sdk-linux$ find . -name package.xml | wc -l
Apr 28 18:07:30 <pfn> changing that causes this
Apr 28 18:07:33 <mrandroid> 0
Apr 28 18:08:22 <knapper_tech> I built an experimental build with jack + 24rc3 and it suddenly had the issue
Apr 28 18:08:33 <pfn> mrandroid, indeed, that is the reason why
Apr 28 18:09:12 <knapper_tech> pfn,  I don't have runas -- non-rooted phone
Apr 28 18:09:19 <mrandroid> agreed. And I'm thinking I may have no package.xml files because initially I only downloaded specific categories.
Apr 28 18:11:35 <mrandroid> so I'll just eat the disk space and download everything ... see what happens.
Apr 28 18:16:31 <sponge-tmp> Hi, I'd like to implement a spinner. While the spinner spins (lol), the user should not be able to do anything (like an overlay, where button presses are blocked). What would be the best way to do that ?
Apr 28 18:17:06 <knapper_tech> pfn drwxr-x--x u0_a494  u0_a494           2016-04-27 23:16 com.package.dawg
Apr 28 18:17:19 <knapper_tech> 494 is my uid?
Apr 28 18:17:30 <duboisj> a dialog which is not cancelable with an outside click should do it.
Apr 28 18:17:42 <knapper_tech> trying  to tell pm to remove the user
Apr 28 18:17:47 <pfn> knapper_tech, runas is on all phones
Apr 28 18:17:59 <sponge-tmp> duboisj: ok I'll try that one
Apr 28 18:18:32 <duboisj> you can probably do it with a ProgressDialog which will place your spinner for you.  Set it to ‘indeterminate’
Apr 28 18:18:44 <knapper_tech> system/bin/sh: runas: not found
Apr 28 18:19:30 <duboisj> I always have to use run-as
Apr 28 18:19:35 <duboisj> (with a dash)
Apr 28 18:20:37 <knapper_tech> shell@g2:/data $ rm -rf /data/data/com.example.dawg
Apr 28 18:20:50 <knapper_tech> Permission denied.  Foudn run-as
Apr 28 18:21:11 <knapper_tech> ran as package. ...something really screwed up with permissions I feel like.
Apr 28 18:21:26 <knapper_tech> uid, I mean obviously
Apr 28 18:23:02 <knapper_tech> package doesn't list in pm
Apr 28 18:23:06 <duboisj> knapper_tech: have you tried just uninstalling from the android gui?
Apr 28 18:23:24 <knapper_tech> duboisj, the package is no longer installed in the phone
Apr 28 18:23:34 <knapper_tech> but Android complains INSTALL_FAILED_UID_CHANGED
Apr 28 18:23:51 <duboisj> I feel like I’ve had that kind of failure before.  Reboot?
Apr 28 18:26:05 <knapper_tech> reboot, no good
Apr 28 18:26:20 <knapper_tech> package that caused this problem is no longer listed in pm list packages
Apr 28 18:26:48 <duboisj> and it doesn’t appear anywhere in the GUI (in the launcher screen nor the app list) where you can uninstall it?
Apr 28 18:27:04 <knapper_tech> no
Apr 28 18:27:11 <knapper_tech> it's gone, but not completely
Apr 28 18:27:26 <knapper_tech> I recently was playing with build tools 24rc3 + jack and created the situation
Apr 28 18:27:39 <knapper_tech> apk could never install after being built with jack
Apr 28 18:27:49 <knapper_tech> and cannot apparently be totally uninstalled :-(
Apr 28 18:29:01 <duboisj> no idea about jack - don’t even know what it is.  The symptom sounds familiar to me on some old 4.x device I had.  I think I may have eventually factory reset (although maybe some other fussing eventually worked … a few reboots, I don’t know).  I remember it being a pain.
Apr 28 18:29:09 <knapper_tech> Can't run-as now :-(
Apr 28 18:29:36 <duboisj> yeah, that happened as well.  run-as was unreliable I think (although maybe for you it’s that run-as doesn’t think the package exists anymore)
Apr 28 18:30:52 <dpyro> Are there guidelines for using a cardview vs a plain listview/recyclerview?
Apr 28 18:31:43 <orbyt_> dpyro: 2 completely diff things mate
Apr 28 18:32:10 <dpyro> orbyt_: i'm not talking on a "how to do it" basis, i'm asking when-UI wise
Apr 28 18:32:38 <orbyt_> dpyro: I know, and as I said, there 2 diff things
Apr 28 18:33:15 <knapper_tech> can't clear package, can no longer run-as.. pm dump still shows decent pile of information
Apr 28 18:33:17 <dpyro> well, then I may be lost because they both look likes lists to me!
Apr 28 18:33:23 <orbyt_> dyp
Apr 28 18:33:39 <orbyt_> dpyro: A RecyclerView or ListView is for making scrollable lists
Apr 28 18:33:47 <orbyt_> a cardview is a custom framelayout
Apr 28 18:33:56 <knapper_tech>     * com.angazadesign.agent / u0a493:
Apr 28 18:34:14 <dpyro> orbyt_: oh...i belive i'm thinking of a list of cardviews vs a plain list
Apr 28 18:34:28 <knapper_tech> pfn,  can I specify a preferred uid?
Apr 28 18:34:52 <orbyt_> dpyro: you can put just about any view in your list. as far as guidelines go, the material spec has cardview guidelines
Apr 28 18:35:10 <orbyt_> https://www.google.com/design/spec/components/cards.html#cards-usage
Apr 28 18:36:09 <dpyro> thanks orbyt_
Apr 28 18:39:20 <knapper_tech> wtf.
Apr 28 18:39:27 <orbyt_> wtf?
Apr 28 18:39:50 <knapper_tech> working on cleaning up some package state to be able to install debug builds again
Apr 28 18:40:03 <Zta> Hi
Apr 28 18:40:12 <Ashiren> ohai
Apr 28 18:41:23 <knapper_tech> Package com.dawg shared user changed from <nothing> to com.dawg.uid; replacing with new
Apr 28 18:41:30 <knapper_tech> this looks promising
Apr 28 18:44:08 <sponge-tmp> whats the circling thing called when something is loading? is it called spinner? (which is also a drop down list)
Apr 28 18:44:37 <orbyt_> progressbar
Apr 28 18:45:39 <sponge-tmp> orbyt_: thy
Apr 28 18:47:47 <Zta> From my build.gradle I'd like to read a strings resource from res/values/config.xml.  The file has the standard format like <resources><string name="rc">rc123</string></resources>.  How do I read the value of <string name="rc"> from gradle?
Apr 28 18:48:27 <justJanne> Hey, question:
Apr 28 18:48:28 <Zta> My SO fu is not strong with this one.
Apr 28 18:48:36 <justJanne> Any simple way to deal with dependent types in Gson?
Apr 28 18:49:16 <mrandroid> pfn: any thoughts on why package.xml wouldn't be present?
Apr 28 18:49:16 <justJanne> Like, I have a json with a field "type", and depending on the content of that – if it’s "text" or "list" – I want to deserialize it into a different type
Apr 28 18:49:36 <justJanne> (either ListNote or TextNote or ReminderNote)
Apr 28 18:49:46 <pfn> mrandroid, because you're using an old version of 'android' that doesn't generate the package.xml
Apr 28 18:49:59 <pfn> once you update the 'android' tool, any package you install should create package.xml
Apr 28 18:50:01 <SimonVT> Zta: Consider doing it the other way around. Keep "rc123" in a property file and generate the resource with resValue
Apr 28 18:50:12 <SimonVT> Otherwise you'll have to parse xml in your build.gradle
Apr 28 18:50:21 <s73v3r> justJanne: I think you have to write a custom deserializer
Apr 28 18:50:44 <Zta> SimonVT: I'm fine with parsing XML. I just haven't found a way to do it properly.
Apr 28 18:50:50 <justJanne> s73v3r: yeah, I’ve done that before – I just hoped Gson supported that in a better way
Apr 28 18:51:13 <s73v3r> not that I’ve seen
Apr 28 18:51:29 <justJanne> I could use a NoteContainer,
Apr 28 18:51:34 <justJanne> which would contain the type,
Apr 28 18:51:35 <mrandroid> pfn : I installed android-sdk_r24.3.4-linux.tgz.  It must be that I need to update the android tool itself then.
Apr 28 18:51:41 <justJanne> and then deserialize the other stuff.
Apr 28 18:51:59 <justJanne> dynamic type stuff is annoying >_>
Apr 28 18:52:06 <pfn> mrandroid, yes
Apr 28 18:52:20 <pfn> mrandroid, before 25.0.0, it will always download packages yous pecify
Apr 28 18:52:38 <mrandroid> cool beans pfn.  thx. that's not obvious in the docs. is there one I can update and submit a patch for?
Apr 28 18:52:40 <Zta> SimonVT: I see your point.  We have all sorts of config in this file, so moving it to a property file is no an option.  At least not at this point.
Apr 28 18:52:40 <s73v3r> i think it’s that JSON wasn'
Apr 28 18:52:49 <s73v3r> JSON wasn’t really made to do what you’re trying to do
Apr 28 18:52:53 <pfn> mrandroid, what? patch for what
Apr 28 18:53:07 <mrandroid> patch for the docs to explain what I just discovered.
Apr 28 18:53:13 <SimonVT> Zta: I bet it's less work than manually parsing it :p
Apr 28 18:53:50 <justJanne> s73v3r: I want to build a small note-taking app, synced via web, having the ability to store text notes, or list notes
Apr 28 18:54:09 <s73v3r> don’t use a “type” parameter, then
Apr 28 18:54:10 <mrandroid> perhaps there's a release note that I missed or didn't get included.  Known side effects of not updating the android tools would be helpful to note.
Apr 28 18:54:13 <Zta> SimonVT: Well, it's something along the lines of this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6726592/how-to-find-all-xml-elements-by-tag-name-in-groovy except I cannot make it fit my needs.
Apr 28 18:54:15 <justJanne> Google Keep recently refuses to allow me to use it without giving it 100% access to everything
Apr 28 18:54:28 <justJanne> s73v3r: well, if you have a better idea? ;P
Apr 28 18:55:18 <s73v3r> well, what does your JSON model and the models for Note and List look like?
Apr 28 18:57:16 <mrandroid> pfn : now that I'm looking I don't see any reference on how to update the 'android' command itself from the command line (--no-ui).
Apr 28 18:57:20 <justJanne> s73v3r: nothing yet, I started drawing diagrams in Visual Paradigm and on my block a minute ago
Apr 28 18:57:36 <pfn> mrandroid, it's the 'tools' package
Apr 28 18:57:53 <mrandroid> looking ...
Apr 28 18:58:09 <s73v3r> justJanne: I don’t think I’ve really seen something be nice to use that has to specify type in a string field like that
Apr 28 18:58:36 <s73v3r> cause you’re invariably going to want to add other “types” of notes (Audio, image, checklist)
Apr 28 18:59:05 <justJanne> s73v3r: this is "text" vs. "checklist" ;)
Apr 28 18:59:17 <justJanne> but you just gave me an awesome idea
Apr 28 18:59:22 <s73v3r> right, but as I said, you’re eventually going to want to add other types
Apr 28 18:59:30 <justJanne> Note contains a list of multiple pieces of content
Apr 28 18:59:38 <s73v3r> and having “type” in the thing that switches is just a pain
Apr 28 18:59:40 <justJanne> each piece of content can be of type list, image, audio, etc
Apr 28 18:59:52 <justJanne> but even that won’t be ideal :/
Apr 28 19:08:42 <sponge-tmp> Is it possible to only have the spinning circle in a ProgressDialog, without any text and title?
Apr 28 19:09:16 <s73v3r> I believe you can put text on there
Apr 28 19:09:39 <s73v3r> if not, just put a ProgressBar in a view with textlabels
Apr 28 19:09:40 <orbyt_> sponge-tmp: Dont use a dialog to disable user interaction. thats dumb
Apr 28 19:10:23 <s73v3r> ProgressDialog extends AlertDialog, so presumably you should be able to set a title
Apr 28 19:10:25 <justJanne> sponge-tmp: don’t disable user interaction, at all, in fact
Apr 28 19:10:26 <sponge-tmp> orbyt_: what would be best practice?
Apr 28 19:10:39 <mrandroid> pfn : I'm updating two things to see if it helps: 1. GPU Debugging tools, revision 1.0.3, and 2. all tools with '$android update sdk --all --no-ui --filter tool'
Apr 28 19:10:54 <orbyt_> if you want to display a loading screen with just the progress bar in the middle, inflate a viewstub when needed
Apr 28 19:11:02 <sponge-tmp> I want the user to wait until something is done, then he should be able to press on button, e.g.
Apr 28 19:11:35 <orbyt_> when whatever it is is done, hide the loading screen again.
Apr 28 19:11:37 <mrandroid> of course it would be more helpful if the 'android' command line showed a version number.
Apr 28 19:12:01 <orbyt_> btw Plaid does exactly this, take a look at its code
Apr 28 19:12:12 <Zta> SimonVT: Just to conclude: def rc = new XmlSlurper().parse(xmlfile).'**'.find { node -> node.name() == 'string' && node.@name == 'rc' }.text()
Apr 28 19:15:55 <mrandroid> pfn : also updating using '$android update sdk --all --no-ui --filter platform-tools'
Apr 28 19:16:19 <s73v3r> Plaid actually has a number of good things in it
Apr 28 19:16:27 <mrandroid> but it's not clear which of those actually updates the 'android' command line.
Apr 28 19:19:08 <jasus> I have a ListView that is propagated using a customer ArrayAdapter. I'm wondering if there's any way, in the array adapter, to decide programatically whether to display an item or not on some criteria
Apr 28 19:19:32 <jasus> I've tried doing v.setVisibility(View.GONE); before returning v, but that just leaves me with a bunch of empty list items
Apr 28 19:22:29 <Eplebit> I would suggest finding another way. even if you got it working it sounds like opening a can of worms
Apr 28 19:22:59 <s73v3r> jasus: filter the array outside of the adapter, then give the adapter the things you want to display
Apr 28 19:23:32 <jasus> s73v3r: I was hoping to do this without creating an array for each filter.
Apr 28 19:23:43 <s73v3r> you don’t have to create an array for each filter
Apr 28 19:23:48 <s73v3r> just filter the thing on the fly
Apr 28 19:23:57 <pfn> mrandroid, only tools
Apr 28 19:24:28 <jasus> s73v3r: How could I do that without modifying the 'master' arraylist (that contains all unfiltered items)
Apr 28 19:24:51 <s73v3r> you have a second array.
Apr 28 19:24:59 <eemgr> I can't figure out why my assets in the drawable folder can't be referenced in my layout files: http://i.imgur.com/RyESOj5.png
Apr 28 19:25:01 <s73v3r> it’s not creating an array for each filter, though
Apr 28 19:25:11 <jasus> So just have a 'filtered array' and reuse it?
Apr 28 19:25:13 <jasus> clear and reuse it?
Apr 28 19:25:18 <s73v3r> pretty much
Apr 28 19:25:40 <jasus> Won't all of the adapters be referencing the same arraylist?
Apr 28 19:25:44 <jasus> in memory?
Apr 28 19:26:02 <eemgr> oh weird, why is it nested
Apr 28 19:26:12 <s73v3r> you’ve got multiple adapters/
Apr 28 19:26:13 <s73v3r> ?
Apr 28 19:26:38 <s73v3r> anyways, you can tell the adapter that the contents of the array have changed
Apr 28 19:27:03 <jasus> Well I want to have multiple list views on the same page, that all display different filters of the same 'master' arraylist
Apr 28 19:27:18 <s73v3r> that sounds not good
Apr 28 19:27:25 <s73v3r> from a usability standpoints
Apr 28 19:27:30 <jasus> Oh, i see.
Apr 28 19:27:31 <jasus> Hm.
Apr 28 19:31:45 <jasus> s73v3r: I'm basically trying to create something that resembles this: http://imgur.com/t6Pc6cq
Apr 28 19:36:20 <mrandroid> pfn : https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=208455
Apr 28 19:37:06 <ddobrev> Hello all.
Apr 28 19:37:19 <ddobrev> I have a question about KeyStore.getEntry.
Apr 28 19:37:48 <ddobrev> What's to prevent an application to get another application's key by knowing the alias?
Apr 28 19:38:07 <ddobrev> Is the object returned by KeyStore.getInstance app-specific?
Apr 28 19:45:51 <dsardari> anyone have any thoughts on separating models vs json model templates? should there be a layer of conversion between the two?
Apr 28 20:01:02 <jawatio> Regarding using Gradle to build, does the task "compileDebugJavaWithJavac" build only whats in generated, or even written source? I am trying to suppress warnings for only generated code
Apr 28 20:12:34 <ktwo> hey, is it possible somehow to run a method in a *.dex file from my application?
Apr 28 20:13:02 <ktwo> (without decompiling/disassembling it)
Apr 28 20:13:51 <danijoo> what do you mean.. all your methods are in the dex file if you run them..
Apr 28 20:14:53 <ktwo> yea its a bit complicated.. i want to run a method defined in a different *.dex file from my source
Apr 28 20:15:02 <ktwo> in runtime
Apr 28 20:15:05 <danijoo> so its not a dex file of your app
Apr 28 20:15:11 <danijoo> you want to load it after app install
Apr 28 20:15:50 <danijoo> check this blog: i think htats what you want http://android-developers.blogspot.de/2011/07/custom-class-loading-in-dalvik.html
Apr 28 20:17:56 <ktwo> yea thanks will check, could be it :)
Apr 28 20:33:10 <knapper_tech> pfn,   same package shows two user id matches
Apr 28 20:33:13 <ReScO> grrr...
Apr 28 20:33:20 <ReScO> so much space between each card
Apr 28 20:33:37 <ReScO> like, one card's off screen when the other is on it
Apr 28 20:39:44 <knapper_tech> ah, one is test APK
Apr 28 20:40:10 <knapper_tech> Some say I've hit a KitKat platform bug and cannot repair package manager withour root or factory reset
Apr 28 20:40:30 <g00s> ouch
Apr 28 20:45:25 <knapper_tech> some issue after I installed an apk built using build-tools 24rc3
Apr 28 20:45:42 <knapper_tech> Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_UID_CHANGED]
Apr 28 20:46:35 <g00s> knapper_tech older samsung device ?
Apr 28 20:46:43 <g00s> 4.2 / 4.3 ?
Apr 28 20:53:46 <knapper_tech> g00s, 4.4 LG
Apr 28 20:54:02 <knapper_tech> g00s, did some crazy action with the 24rc3 + jack & jill
Apr 28 20:54:18 <knapper_tech> install probably failed halfway through
Apr 28 20:54:31 <knapper_tech> and now it won't accept any apk's on that application id
Apr 28 20:55:10 <knapper_tech> I've changed application id to see if package id was a cause, but nope, application id
Apr 28 20:55:20 <g00s> maybe factory reset :(
Apr 28 20:55:40 <g00s> i've heard about this problem, but its been a while ..
Apr 28 20:55:51 <g00s> not specifically with jack or anything
Apr 28 20:56:03 <knapper_tech> can't remember which tool I ran, but there is a record of a shared user getting created calld com.my.crap.uid
Apr 28 20:56:33 <knapper_tech> yeah, I doubt it's jack, but I'm not in a hurry to re-create it
Apr 28 20:57:03 <knapper_tech> g00s, what's a dirty way to get all my data off the phone for backup's sake?
Apr 28 20:57:17 <knapper_tech> have a feeling i'll be migrating phones very soon
Apr 28 20:57:45 <g00s> oh, dunno - backup in kitkat kinda sucked, devs had to opt in
Apr 28 20:58:25 <knapper_tech> ouch
Apr 28 20:58:40 <knapper_tech> basically just my photos are the only useful data
Apr 28 20:58:52 <knapper_tech> tons of photos and videos from travels
Apr 28 20:59:07 <AKK9> Do I need to use SharedPreferencesCompat/
Apr 28 20:59:08 <AKK9> ?
Apr 28 20:59:09 <knapper_tech> Jack & Jill didn't seem ready for production by a longshot
Apr 28 20:59:18 <g00s> knapper_tech maybe something like titanium backup
Apr 28 21:02:07 <g00s> knapper_tech there is also helium
Apr 28 21:02:18 <g00s> i've have not used either
Apr 28 21:09:52 <Queenslayer> Guys is there any safe method of using external storage as internal?
Apr 28 21:10:14 <Queenslayer> I've tried directory bind but that resets back to normal after reboot
Apr 28 21:10:42 <vktec> Don't reboot?
Apr 28 21:10:43 <vktec> :P
Apr 28 21:10:46 <Queenslayer> I'm talking about earlier Android versions
Apr 28 21:11:01 <Queenslayer> vktec, you may joke, but I actually thought about that too
Apr 28 21:11:10 <vktec> :)
Apr 28 21:11:32 <Queenslayer> It's ridiculous how there's no real SD card support in Android
Apr 28 21:11:50 <Queenslayer> 6.0 is here, yes.  But not all devices can update
Apr 28 21:13:21 <Queenslayer> vktec, is that the only solution then?
Apr 28 21:13:46 <vktec> I don't know
Apr 28 21:14:10 <vktec> I don't know much about it
Apr 28 21:14:41 <Queenslayer> I know what needs to be done, but don't know how to do it :P
Apr 28 21:15:13 <dsardari> android using AS2.1 and ADB Idea plugin?
Apr 28 21:20:46 <explodes> Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /Users/evanleis/src/android/vlc-android/gradle-2.10/lib/plugins/gradle-diagnostics-2.10.jar (No such file or directory)
Apr 28 21:21:06 <explodes> AS isn't building, and that path isn't even the path of my project ^
Apr 28 21:21:41 <explodes> Gradle isn't building* - that project isn't even open right now, it's a different project called 'learner'
Apr 28 21:27:23 <explodes> Found it, I need gradle 2.12 in my gradle-wrapper.properties'
Apr 28 21:29:25 <g00s> explodes 2.13 is newest
Apr 28 21:34:48 <g00s> instant run actually worked a few times for me :D
Apr 28 21:34:48 <duboisj> knapper_tech: I’ve not used it, but Code42 is a company here in my town that has a consumer backup product.  I think they have a free trial … supposed to be somehow magical and comprehensive, etc.
Apr 28 21:35:01 <duboisj> but like I say … never used it.
Apr 28 21:35:04 <explodes> in AS 2.1, you can actually cancel the gradle build o.O
Apr 28 21:35:27 <konk3r> Lies, I'll believe that when I see it explodes
Apr 28 21:35:37 <explodes> Try it!
Apr 28 21:36:20 <konk3r> I can't believe that took until 2.1, it seemed like pretty low hanging fruit. "When the user clicks on the X icon, call gradlew --stop"
Apr 28 21:37:32 <s73v3r> i find it weird that, when you hit “Run” in AS, and it brings up the device list, if you hit cancel, it still continues to build
Apr 28 21:37:53 <g00s> yeah there is still a lot of wonkiness there
Apr 28 21:38:08 <g00s> and when i quiet AS the app quits on my device (even if instant run is off)
Apr 28 21:43:55 <konk3r> s73v3r: Especially when you can really easily cancel the build from a terminal
Apr 28 21:50:08 <ghostmoth> When you decalre a drawable in, say, drawable-hdpi, does that cascade up and get used for that and all larger densities? Or is it always specific to just the density specified?
Apr 28 21:53:12 <drose379> Seems like activities do not get GCd instantly
Apr 28 21:57:37 <ReScO> how can i make a button look proper on a CardView?
Apr 28 21:57:39 <pfn> ndk bundle is 500mb??? holy shit
Apr 28 21:57:39 <konk3r> Does anyone know how to programmatically display a SearchView in a toolbar? Apparently it bypasses onOptionItemSelected so manually calling that with the search menu item doesn't work
Apr 28 21:57:56 <ReScO> Can't get it aligned right
Apr 28 21:57:56 <pfn> er, way more than that
Apr 28 21:58:21 <pfn> jesus christ
Apr 28 22:00:27 <g00s> ndk uncompressed is huge too
Apr 28 22:00:32 <g00s> obviously :)
Apr 28 22:02:50 <ReScO> googling yields no results :(
Apr 28 22:04:28 <drose379> So im using leakCanary and its not telling me about any leaks
Apr 28 22:04:32 <drose379> Does this mean im in the clear?
Apr 28 22:06:37 <drose379> Its also not saying anything when I intentionally try to cause a leak though..
Apr 28 22:06:46 <konk3r> drose379: try adding a leak
Apr 28 22:06:52 <konk3r> Haha, okay, you're one step ahead of me
Apr 28 22:07:07 <drose379> Yeah its not saying anything
Apr 28 22:07:31 <drose379> Hmmm
Apr 28 22:08:07 <konk3r> How did you add a leak?
Apr 28 22:08:17 <drose379> Well I have a MVP design
Apr 28 22:08:18 <konk3r> And have you double checked that you're starting leak canary properly?
Apr 28 22:08:32 <drose379> I just do LeakCanary.install( this ) in my Application class
Apr 28 22:08:45 <konk3r> Oh, probably best to throw it out and do MVC instead anyway ;)
Apr 28 22:08:58 <drose379> Nah I like MVP
Apr 28 22:09:04 <drose379> Anyways
Apr 28 22:09:24 <konk3r> Haha yeah, I prefer MVP too. Odd, you shouldn't have to do anything extra...
Apr 28 22:09:27 <drose379> I just start a network request which goes to the Presenter -> Model, and then I exit the view before its called mack
Apr 28 22:09:40 <drose379> And I comment out the Presenter.disconnect line in the View
Apr 28 22:09:42 <drose379> So it SHOULD leak
Apr 28 22:11:33 <dpyro> how exactly do I use LocalBroadcastManager (I'm using it in a similar way to NSNotificationCenter)?
Apr 28 22:11:56 <drose379> Pretty muchj dpyro
Apr 28 22:12:18 <dpyro> i'm not too familiar with intents, but it seems like the intent is not getting picked up on the recieving side
Apr 28 22:12:52 <dpyro> would new IntentFilter("refreshData"); pick up a new Intent("refreshData"); ?
Apr 28 22:12:58 <drose379> I thought so
Apr 28 22:21:18 <drose379> Weird, after I hit the back button and close out of my activity, it is not null instantly
Apr 28 22:21:57 <drose379> In its presenter, it still has referenece to it, even after it is closed via back button
Apr 28 22:22:24 <konk3r> Where is the presenter held?
Apr 28 22:22:41 <drose379> Same package
Apr 28 22:22:45 <drose379> If thats what you mean?
Apr 28 22:22:55 <konk3r> Sorry, I mean what is holding onto a reference to the presenter?
Apr 28 22:23:00 <drose379> The activity
Apr 28 22:23:09 <konk3r> Then you may not have a leak
Apr 28 22:23:14 <drose379> And the presenter has refreence to the activity
Apr 28 22:23:21 <konk3r> If the activity closes, it will release the presenter
Apr 28 22:23:26 <drose379> Right
Apr 28 22:23:32 <drose379> But the presetner still has reference to the activity
Apr 28 22:23:44 <konk3r> Right, but if they're only referencing each other the garbage collector will still remove them
Apr 28 22:24:16 <drose379> But how come if I start a background task, close the activity, then try to access the activity (View) in the prestner, the View is NOT null
Apr 28 22:24:19 <drose379> Even after its closed
Apr 28 22:24:45 <konk3r> How are you accessing the presenter after the activity closes?
Apr 28 22:24:53 <drose379> The interactor is accessing it
Apr 28 22:25:07 <konk3r> Okay, so the interactor is holding onto the presenter
Apr 28 22:25:11 <drose379> Rigth
Apr 28 22:25:12 <drose379> Right
Apr 28 22:25:23 <konk3r> Gotcha, that's what I was trying to figure out.
Apr 28 22:25:39 <drose379> Does it explain why the View is not null
Apr 28 22:28:03 <dpyro> ugh can i disable hotswapping?
Apr 28 22:30:10 <konk3r> Yeah, that should explain it
Apr 28 22:30:17 <drose379> How does that explain it konk3r
Apr 28 22:30:25 <afawefwa> I have a HostPC with an Android Device plugged in, and a Hyper-V VM inside... How can I make the Hyper-V VM see the Android device plugged in into the host computer (To debug apps there)? Wifi won't work because of the way my company's wifi is set up to block all connections of that type....
Apr 28 22:30:50 <konk3r> Your presenter is holding onto a reference of it, so long as an active object has a reference to it then it won't be garbage collected
Apr 28 22:31:02 <drose379> Which is a leak though isnt it
Apr 28 22:31:04 <konk3r> Yeah
Apr 28 22:31:07 <konk3r> Definitely a leak
Apr 28 22:31:20 <drose379> So why isnt leak canary saying something about it
Apr 28 22:31:39 <pfn> holy shit, ndk is 2.6G???
Apr 28 22:31:48 <pfn> sdk] $ du -hs ndk-bundle/
Apr 28 22:31:48 <pfn> 2.6G    ndk-bundle/
Apr 28 22:31:49 <pfn> wtf google
Apr 28 22:34:52 <drose379> pfn you ever used leakcanary?
Apr 28 22:37:51 <pfn> no
Apr 28 22:39:34 <drose379> Hm ok
Apr 28 22:40:00 <drose379> So if my presenter still holds onto my View after the view is closed, that view will not be null
Apr 28 22:40:02 <drose379> resulting in a leak
Apr 28 22:43:01 <konk3r> Are you compiling a debug build?
Apr 28 22:43:16 <pfn> I'm not interested in temporary leaks
Apr 28 22:43:28 <drose379> Yes konk3r and what do you mean pfn
Apr 28 22:45:34 <tushigushi> Hi i have a noob question. If i have 2 devices connected via p2p what is tge good way to communicate metween them besides broadcast recievers?
Apr 28 22:46:10 <pfn> exactly what I said
Apr 28 22:46:26 <drose379> Why arent you interested pfn
Apr 28 22:48:09 <tushigushi> I have a server part and a client part and i want directly control client part from servèr
Apr 28 22:48:33 <pfn> because it's a solved problem
Apr 28 23:11:48 <drose379> Whats the solution? Rx
Apr 28 23:14:33 <ThisIsTheory> I'm in the market for a phone, any advice on selecting one?
Apr 28 23:15:04 <DrBenway> i'm guessing renderscript doesn't have an api from ndk?
Apr 28 23:24:10 <orbyt_> so if I wanted to do a retrofit query which needs to be a pipe seperated list of ids, how would I do that
Apr 28 23:24:33 <orbyt_> eg getstuff?id=55|66
Apr 28 23:24:46 <JakeWharton> Join your IDs with a pipe and then set it
Apr 28 23:24:58 <orbyt_> as a string?
Apr 28 23:25:08 <JakeWharton> Yes
Apr 28 23:25:14 <orbyt_> cool thanks.
Apr 28 23:27:52 <lexton> Holla foos
Apr 29 00:29:37 <drose379> How do you guys go about adding gtaphics to a project
Apr 29 00:39:30 <pfn> [warn] An error occurred during installation: C:\Users\pfnguyen\AppData\Local\Temp\BasicInstaller06\bin\cmake.exe (Operation did not complete successfully because the file contains a virus or potentially unwanted software).
Apr 29 00:39:31 <pfn> lol
Apr 29 00:42:29 <RustyShackleford> firebase is really cool
Apr 29 00:42:33 <RustyShackleford> it feels like cheating almost
Apr 29 00:43:10 <RustyShackleford> i'm just playing around with the free tier, so it doesn't matter
Apr 29 00:43:29 <RustyShackleford> I wonder if it's cost effective if I were to make my own startup
Apr 29 00:47:34 <g00s> well thats the rub isn't it ... economics, viable business plans, etc ;)
Apr 29 00:54:11 <g00s> RustyShackleford read through parts of this http://www.amazon.com/How-Build-Billion-Dollar-App/dp/0349401373
Apr 29 00:54:52 <RustyShackleford> is the content good?
Apr 29 00:55:01 <RustyShackleford> because the title sounds like a scam to me lol
Apr 29 00:57:02 <g00s> yeah , and when you look at the suggested picks underneath - you see there are a lot of shitty books written around that time of 'mobile bubble'
Apr 29 00:57:29 <g00s> RustyShackleford this is another good one http://www.amazon.com/Platform-Revolution-Networked-Transforming-Economy--/dp/0393249131
Apr 29 00:58:04 <g00s> i'm most interested in distributed apps (dapp) and blockchain, that will be my next project
Apr 29 00:58:12 <g00s> which won't be mobile
Apr 29 00:59:15 <g00s> RustyShackleford ever hear of this? https://www.ethereum.org
Apr 29 00:59:34 <g00s> its either that or AR, mobile is becoming commodity skill
Apr 29 00:59:45 <g00s> or drones maybe
Apr 29 01:00:47 <RustyShackleford> I have no idea what etherum does
Apr 29 01:00:56 <RustyShackleford> after reading their front page
Apr 29 01:02:31 <redj2> hey all, I have a drawer activity. i dynamically load a fragment into the white space behind the drawer, but i'd like to mix lists and text. the only way I know how to do lists right now is with ListFragment. But then how do I do my textbox, since I'm in a listfragment?
Apr 29 01:02:48 <redj2> i feel like I don't need nested fragments to get the experience i'm looking for
Apr 29 01:04:58 <g00s> meh, if i connect to my device via adb + wifi, and then shut down AS, i can't reconnect to it over wifi
Apr 29 01:07:02 <drose379> Why do you think mobile is becoming a commodity g00s
Apr 29 01:07:48 <g00s> drose379 same reason why web development is commodity skill ...
Apr 29 01:07:54 <RustyShackleford> are there any good patterns for navigation between different activities and fragments?
Apr 29 01:08:08 <drose379> Well what do you mean by it g00s
Apr 29 01:08:14 <drose379> That its not valuble to know anymore?
Apr 29 01:08:18 <drose379> Or that everyone knows it
Apr 29 01:08:29 <g00s> in the beginning there were many unknowns; those of us starting then took on many risks in getting into it. now there are no risks, no barriers to entry, and much competition
Apr 29 01:08:53 <RustyShackleford> as you add more pages to the app, it can get messy. Maybe you can delegate this to another class
Apr 29 01:09:01 <drose379> Well there are still barriers to entry
Apr 29 01:09:04 <drose379> Learning the lang
Apr 29 01:09:29 <g00s> java is a commodity language
Apr 29 01:09:37 <g00s> has been for over 10 years
Apr 29 01:09:49 <drose379> What isnt a comodity language
Apr 29 01:10:06 <g00s> thats why corps love it, so substitute one dev for another one easily
Apr 29 01:10:16 <g00s> since so many people know java
Apr 29 01:10:33 <drose379> I guess yeah
Apr 29 01:10:43 <drose379> I feel like thats how it has to be though
Apr 29 01:14:09 <drose379> So are you saying mobile dev is no longer a valuble skill g00s ?
Apr 29 01:14:10 <RustyShackleford> java is pretty much the only language used at this company
Apr 29 01:14:26 <RustyShackleford> besides hiring, you can switch people around between projects
Apr 29 01:14:47 <RustyShackleford> and they're already familiar with the language and framework
Apr 29 01:16:27 <drose379> Where you workin RustyShackleford ?
Apr 29 01:16:37 <RustyShackleford> a large bank
Apr 29 01:16:47 <drose379> Software at a bank?
Apr 29 01:16:49 <drose379> How is?
Apr 29 01:17:41 <RustyShackleford> sure, financial firms need a website, mobile apps, not to mention all your money is just a number in a database
Apr 29 01:18:20 <drose379> Right, sounds fun
Apr 29 01:18:53 <RustyShackleford> sometimes its cool
Apr 29 01:19:39 <drose379> You do android there?
Apr 29 01:20:25 <RustyShackleford> yup
Apr 29 01:20:29 <drose379> COol
Apr 29 01:20:31 <drose379> Cool*
Apr 29 01:20:34 <RustyShackleford> still learning as i'm going. first job out of college
Apr 29 01:20:52 <RustyShackleford> I knew some android before that
Apr 29 01:26:30 <drose379> Oh no way, CS major?
Apr 29 01:29:08 <dpyro> man i should find myself a proper job
Apr 29 01:34:23 <drose379> What you doin now dpyro
Apr 29 01:34:36 <dpyro> at parents home making ios and android apps
Apr 29 01:34:48 <dpyro> so far i've thought myself ios pretty decently, made a bluetooth app
Apr 29 01:35:01 <dpyro> *taught
Apr 29 01:35:26 <dpyro> basically bought a macbook pro and read documentation and stackoverflow until i learned it
Apr 29 01:48:44 <drose379> How old are you dpyro
Apr 29 01:48:56 <dpyro> 27
Apr 29 01:51:45 <drose379> Hows your bluetooth app doing on the store?
Apr 29 02:04:41 <dpyro> haven't released that one yet, it needs polishing. getting something to work is only half the battle, then you have to make it *good enough*
Apr 29 02:04:54 <dpyro> so i put that on a backburner and am working on a much smaller project that's more tractable
Apr 29 02:05:16 <g00s> dpyro and then you have to convince people its "good enough" to spend money on :D
Apr 29 02:05:30 <dpyro> yup! and i would have to test various hardware too
Apr 29 02:06:09 <dpyro> the best apps don't do anything innovative, they just do it well
Apr 29 02:06:25 <dpyro> slick UIs, intuitive interface, subtle animations
Apr 29 02:09:26 <drose379> Interesting take on it dpyro
Apr 29 02:09:29 <drose379> What you working on now?
Apr 29 02:10:05 <dpyro> something far simpler. its gives you the daily achievements for guild wars 2 using their json api
Apr 29 02:10:31 <dpyro> but it looks pretty decent and is pretty well-integrated. i also hired a UI designer for $10 on fiverr to make it slicker :P
Apr 29 02:10:50 <dpyro> i figure its definitely worth $.99, so that's how i'll dip my toes in. see how far i go
Apr 29 02:11:26 <g00s> lol, UI designer for $10
Apr 29 02:11:43 <drose379> I like the idea dpyro
Apr 29 02:11:49 <drose379> Yeah, any screenshots of their work?
Apr 29 02:12:24 <dpyro> yeah, i liked his the most, it seemed to stick with the native ios theming the best. at the very least its better than i can do
Apr 29 02:12:50 <drose379> Any screenshots?
Apr 29 02:12:59 <dpyro> of mine or his?
Apr 29 02:13:25 <drose379> Either
Apr 29 02:14:22 <dpyro> his: https://www.fiverr.com/kolaikata/design-unique-ui-for-your-ios-android-app
Apr 29 02:15:03 <drose379> Looks nice, wonder if its his work
Apr 29 02:15:06 <drose379> Or a stock photo
Apr 29 02:16:07 <dpyro> mine: http://imgur.com/a/BB2WY
Apr 29 02:16:38 <dpyro> i'll find out soon enough. for $10, *anything* that makes my app look better is worthwhile
Apr 29 02:16:57 <drose379> Are you in the USA?
Apr 29 02:17:16 <dpyro> yes
Apr 29 02:17:36 <drose379> Cool
Apr 29 02:17:43 <drose379> Hey g00s  you there?
Apr 29 02:19:10 <drose379> Also good luck dpyro
Apr 29 02:19:22 <dpyro> thanks drose379, i appreciate it!
Apr 29 02:19:43 <dpyro> goal is to release something on the apple and google app store and then look for a job
Apr 29 02:20:23 <drose379> Sounds like a plan, how well do you know either of the langs?
Apr 29 02:21:24 <dpyro> um i only knew java before i started this journey
Apr 29 02:21:38 <dpyro> now i know swift and objective-c well enough to make stuf with them
Apr 29 02:21:53 <drose379> Oh cool
Apr 29 02:22:04 <dpyro> android java feels so ancient
Apr 29 02:22:14 <drose379> Might wanna pick one and become proficient at that first?
Apr 29 02:22:18 <drose379> Why ancienct?
Apr 29 02:23:26 <lsass> ya they update it daily
Apr 29 02:23:28 <dpyro> you have to know objective c to know swift since its compatible and most libraries are still in objective-c
Apr 29 02:23:51 <dpyro> i just hate typing get* set*, having 1000 parenthesis, and needing a class file for everything under the sun
Apr 29 02:24:18 <drose379> The IDE should do the getters and setters for you I thought
Apr 29 02:24:25 <drose379> Although I dont use that feature
Apr 29 02:24:37 <dpyro> how so? if its in android studio i must know of it!
Apr 29 02:24:53 <dpyro> i just laze out and make the member vars accessible
Apr 29 02:25:07 <drose379> public?
Apr 29 02:25:15 <dpyro> yes
Apr 29 02:25:27 <drose379> Yeah, I dont think thats such a big deal for POJOs
Apr 29 02:25:39 <drose379> Unless its stuff you really dont want to be changed by accident somewhere
Apr 29 02:26:00 <dpyro> i only bother if its not just one-shot code
Apr 29 02:28:35 <drose379> I see
Apr 29 02:40:20 <drose379> How many 3rd party libs is it OK to have?
Apr 29 02:40:22 <drose379> Is there a number
Apr 29 02:43:46 <dpyro> maintainable
Apr 29 02:44:33 <drose379> You ever used retrolambda
Apr 29 02:45:36 <dpyro> no, but i would if i was working on a larger project
Apr 29 02:46:20 <drose379> Ok, I had a question but just solved... I think
Apr 29 02:47:44 <drose379> Does Jack replace retrolambda anyone know?
Apr 29 02:49:43 <g00s> drose379 eventually, i guess - still experimental
Apr 29 02:50:02 <drose379> So not to be used for production?
Apr 29 02:50:21 <g00s> i wouldn't
Apr 29 02:50:29 <drose379> Any way you could kinda tell me how it works?
Apr 29 02:50:35 <drose379> Compiles twice?
Apr 29 02:53:08 <drose379> Oh, it explains on the docs
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