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May 25 03:02:46 <Ologn> g00s, haven't seen many comments so far...I wish the frame rate was universally zeroed out for arm by default, but...
May 25 03:03:13 <Ologn> motivation to fix that any how
May 25 03:03:40 <Ologn> I posted to reddit /r/androiddev but someone flagged it
May 25 03:03:46 <Sk3letor> I wish I could get motivation to do anything usefull.
May 25 03:19:47 <g00s> Ologn oh yeah, can't really post apps to /r/androiddev
May 25 03:22:11 <chachin> hai
May 25 03:22:38 <g00s> according to this, google may be adding RPi3 to AOSP
May 25 03:22:50 <g00s> Leeds still have your rpi ?
May 25 03:26:32 <g00s> "Samsung executives told Fast Company today that no more Samsung Android Wear devices are in development or being planned. "
May 25 03:34:47 <chachin> https://i.imgur.com/P3UNP0b.png why does this keep happening when i try to flash system
May 25 03:35:12 <chachin> https://i.imgur.com/wRJThHd.png and htis happens whe i try to click the flash-all.bat
May 25 03:36:29 <bankai_> wrong channel
May 25 03:36:57 <chachin> .
May 25 03:37:02 <chachin> why would it be wrong one
May 25 03:37:15 <Sk3letor> im wrong person :I
May 25 03:37:39 <g00s> see topic
May 25 03:37:55 <chachin> root then?
May 25 03:38:30 <chachin> worthless
May 25 03:39:23 <g00s> haha
May 25 03:39:40 <g00s> no wonder why he's having problems : can't read :D
May 25 03:40:18 <g00s> bankai_ we need some kind of bot, when you join the channel , it asks you if this is root related, and if so, redirects you to android-root :D
May 25 03:40:59 <bankai_> nuh, instant disconnect
May 25 03:42:11 <g00s> lol, glad to see my app is quite popular in its pirated form :D
May 25 03:44:24 <Ologn> That's why I write ad-supported apps
May 25 03:44:51 <Ologn> I met a guy who owned like two dozen 7-11s, I told him I was an Android developer, he told me how many Android apps he pirated
May 25 03:45:08 <g00s> heh
May 25 03:45:20 <g00s> 711 apps !
May 25 03:46:09 <g00s> that monument valley article a few days ago - i remember ustwo guys saying only 10% customers paid for it
May 25 03:46:16 <g00s> so thats like 90% piracy rate haha
May 25 03:46:20 <g00s> go android
May 25 03:47:19 <bankai_> thought everyone was going in-app these days
May 25 03:47:34 <g00s> Ologn i've heard piracy is a problem on iOS too, but i think its more difficult ? maybe not possible unless they root the device ?
May 25 03:48:11 <Ologn> Probably less of a problem
May 25 03:49:02 <g00s> hm, when i use TransitionManager and hit buttons quickly stuff crashes more often
May 25 03:49:11 <bankai_> just don't do that
May 25 03:49:17 <g00s> i have no idea what i'm doing, maybe i'll take out TM
May 25 03:51:03 <g00s> it would be great if you could say something in xml like red_alpha = red | 0xf000
May 25 03:59:35 <Leeds> g00s: yeah, still got it - but it's not an RPi3...
May 25 04:00:04 <Leeds> also, on the Samsung Android Wear thing - they only ever released one AW device, and it was 2 years ago... not exactly a world-shattering announcement
May 25 04:00:43 <g00s> although self serving they say tizen is much more memory efficient
May 25 04:04:41 <Leeds> it's quite possible that it does
May 25 04:04:46 <Leeds> er, is
May 25 04:05:13 <g00s> battery efficiency seems like it would be priority #1 for that form factor / power constraints ...
May 25 04:05:53 <g00s> can't imagine running java on a watch, sorry guys :D
May 25 04:06:56 <s73v3r> why? it’s the same processors as the phone
May 25 04:09:06 <g00s> i'd rather have manual memory management, not GC there
May 25 04:10:14 <g00s> i thought it was widely acknowledged by now, both iOS and windows phone go much further with HW specs than android did
May 25 04:11:14 <Leeds> turns out that my watch has a 100MHz Cortex-M4 in it...
May 25 04:20:41 <g00s> s73v3r bah i can't find it, still trying though. android needs much more memory to do the same thing as iOS
May 25 04:22:48 <g00s> i'm kinda surprised android watch is not more like Brillo, and you just write in native code
May 25 04:23:02 <g00s> they would have to figure out something for the UI
May 25 04:23:40 <g00s> but a GUI toolkit for a 1" circle doesn't seem like ... that much work :D
May 25 04:24:15 <g00s> but there would be no code reuse between wearable and phone, which could suck
May 25 04:27:58 <s73v3r> I dunno, it wasn’t that long ago that people would’ve said the same for the phone
May 25 04:28:14 <s73v3r> the Pebble uses C for it’s apps
May 25 04:28:20 <s73v3r> as well as JavaScript
May 25 04:29:40 <Leeds> Pebble are pushing their JS toolkits more and more... they've proudly announced that the default watchface on their newest firmware release is something like 30 lines of JS rather than thousands of lines of C
May 25 04:29:55 <g00s> lol, thats nice :)
May 25 04:30:27 <g00s> s73v3r if you do it in C, do they give you more than the typical anemic C stdlib with shit like strcmp
May 25 04:30:48 <g00s> i mean, C is pretty awful if you can't get libraries for basic stuff
May 25 04:30:51 <s73v3r> I don’t know offhand
May 25 04:31:06 <g00s> at least c++ stdlib is stl, etc
May 25 04:31:33 <g00s> has STL
May 25 04:32:08 <CedricBeust> C is the last honest language. It doesn't lie about what it can do, it's just straight with you.
May 25 04:32:08 <g00s> but yeah, there often are kernel calls you can make from C that aren't possible from Java
May 25 04:34:40 <Leeds> I haven't done any C in over a decade, which makes life much easier
May 25 04:35:01 <pifon> haha c is degenerate
May 25 04:35:05 <pifon> java ftw
May 25 04:36:39 <Leeds> oh, 232 lines of C, not thousands :) https://gist.github.com/HBehrens/1a91b97e1e98a6a09c5f
May 25 04:41:34 <g00s> s73v3r https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-iPhones-1-GB-RAM-touted-to-be-able-to-compete-with-more-than-2-GB-RAM-of-Android-phones/answers/7061202
May 25 04:43:08 <g00s> but our GC has gotten better since then
May 25 04:43:32 <impliednude> CedricBeust> I thought asm was :/
May 25 04:43:44 <CedricBeust> Asm definitely is as well
May 25 04:43:56 <Leeds> ASM isn't really a language
May 25 04:44:11 <CedricBeust> Yeah it is
May 25 04:44:17 <squ> g00s: because java vs C compiled code :)
May 25 04:44:24 <squ> clang compiled code
May 25 04:44:31 <squ> industrys top compiler
May 25 04:44:35 <CedricBeust> These days, Java is close to being as compiled as C
May 25 04:44:44 <impliednude> CedricBeust> what's the deal with A.S. when forced closed and restarted it tanks on gradle build. Even if nothing has happened to said code.
May 25 04:44:55 <squ> CedricBeust: c is c, java is shit
May 25 04:45:08 <g00s> lol tell us how you feel squ
May 25 04:45:10 <CedricBeust> Both are solid languages with clearly identified strenghts
May 25 04:45:16 <squ> oops, a typo, I meant c is c, java is java
May 25 04:45:26 <RustyShackleford> suppose you're working on a production app where you want to be careful about upgrades
May 25 04:45:26 <squ> g00s: :)
May 25 04:45:41 <impliednude> http://pastebin.com/MGYW3heY - > anyone wanna help remedy. The error code is bogus.
May 25 04:45:44 <RustyShackleford> how risky is upgrading the build tools version?
May 25 04:46:08 * impliednude <3's asm / Vasm only
May 25 04:46:31 <RustyShackleford> is there any reason to not use the most recent build tools release? gradle release?
May 25 04:47:09 <alex88> someone knows how to handle date deserialization with retrofit?
May 25 04:47:14 <bankai_> if it's working, don't touch it :)
May 25 04:47:21 <impliednude> rusty> unless the project is defined by another version.
May 25 04:47:41 <alex88> I've tried new GsonBuilder().setDateFormat("yyyy-MM-dd'T'HH:mm:ss'Z'").create(); but the date field of the class is null with a date like 2016-05-21T23:29:54Z
May 25 04:47:45 <CedricBeust> Upgrading build tools should be pretty safe
May 25 04:49:04 <g00s> RustyShackleford as long as you aren't using RC build tools ...
May 25 04:49:26 <g00s> i guess your build could break tho
May 25 04:49:51 <g00s> you might have to update your gradle plugin too
May 25 04:50:02 <g00s> and then gradle
May 25 04:50:03 <g00s> lol
May 25 04:50:08 <g00s> if they are all really out of sync
May 25 04:50:09 <RustyShackleford> and assuming you figure out the conflict, wouldn't your compiled app be pretty much identical?
May 25 04:50:14 <g00s> which could mean AS update
May 25 04:50:19 <g00s> and then, maybe update the OS
May 25 04:50:26 <bankai_> see? don't do it!
May 25 04:50:34 <RustyShackleford> how about AS updates?
May 25 04:50:56 <shmooz> C was written once and revised once, java gets revised a million times, I don't mind them adding new functionality, but I get mad when they tell you to forget the old way and replace a keyword with a better sounding keyword
May 25 04:50:59 <impliednude> anyone? last try. http://pastebin.com/MGYW3heY - My entire build was working perfectly until I mistyped a char which screwed gradle build. I forced restart. Fixed the letter. however, now even though nothing has been modified its spitting out that error. Please assist...
May 25 04:51:05 <RustyShackleford> the architect is reluctant to upgrade to 2.0. I argue that we could all use different versions of AS and not add any risk
May 25 04:51:47 <g00s> RustyShackleford get 2.2 beta and add come ConstraintLayout stuff :D
May 25 04:52:23 <RustyShackleford> g00s, got me there yeah
May 25 04:52:31 <g00s> RustyShackleford there were big changes between gradle plugin 1.5.x and 2.0 though -
May 25 04:53:59 <g00s> although i wouldn't use RC  / beta stuff, i don't see the value of staying on 1.5. not like the older stuff is necessarily better
May 25 04:54:06 <RustyShackleford> if we upgraded to 2.0+, would there be issues if you're still using 1.5
May 25 04:54:26 <RustyShackleford> upgrade to gradle plugin 2.0+, AS 1.5
May 25 04:54:40 <g00s> well there are some build DSL changes for dex in process ...
May 25 04:55:27 <g00s> but it would probably work if you accept the defaults
May 25 04:55:38 <RustyShackleford> I guess I could try it tomorrow
May 25 04:55:40 <g00s> i think it has max processes = 4 as default, if thats ok with you
May 25 04:57:33 <impliednude> I find having upgraded AS to current that the minor revisions on debug to be helpful
May 25 04:57:44 <impliednude> since it runs so much faster
May 25 04:58:21 <RustyShackleford> the emulator is the main reason I want to use AS 2.0+
May 25 04:59:26 <RustyShackleford> Just trying to build my argument lol. I don't think they have much of an argument except they don't know so we're going to be cautious
May 25 05:00:31 <g00s> RustyShackleford volunteer to be canary :)
May 25 05:00:50 <RustyShackleford> I definitely do. I know i've bitched a ton here but I'm sorta killing it
May 25 05:01:32 <RustyShackleford> I rewrote our gradle scripts so they're neat, organized, and take advantage of gradle/maven
May 25 05:02:05 <RustyShackleford> 15-18 minutes down to 7-8 minutes just because we don't have to rebuild all of our dependencies
May 25 05:02:43 <RustyShackleford> and shockingly enough, newer versions of android tools and gradle build significantly faster
May 25 05:02:46 <impliednude> RustyShackleford> and the newest AS would make minor revision 30 seconds. Which is a ++
May 25 05:03:07 <g00s> i get 5 second builds now
May 25 05:03:13 <g00s> with IR
May 25 05:03:17 <RustyShackleford> instant run?
May 25 05:03:25 <g00s> yeah
May 25 05:03:36 <RustyShackleford> yeah. There are issues with this project so instant run will not work
May 25 05:03:46 <g00s> i think it takes longer to send the app to device :P
May 25 05:04:03 <RustyShackleford> android tools don't detect changes in xml resources when they're in nonstandard places
May 25 05:04:28 <g00s> as bankai_ would say "then don't do that" :D
May 25 05:04:33 <RustyShackleford> so you have to clean and rebuild the whole damn thing to see your changes show in the emulator
May 25 05:05:51 <RustyShackleford> I wrote a script that will fix this whole problem in about 5 seconds by copying layouts/string resources/drawables to their proper location. Just need to convince this asshat to let me do it
May 25 05:06:13 <g00s> that sounds like crap RustyShackleford
May 25 05:06:18 <g00s> why would you do that ?
May 25 05:06:27 <RustyShackleford> my work or theirs is crap?
May 25 05:06:29 <g00s> why not just put stuff in the standard locations
May 25 05:06:49 <RustyShackleford> to work around our terrible use of version control
May 25 05:07:02 <g00s> fix that :/
May 25 05:07:11 <RustyShackleford> also working on it
May 25 05:07:29 <RustyShackleford> actually that was fixed. This is just some junk leftover after
May 25 05:07:59 <RustyShackleford> so frustrating. Its a 20 minute job
May 25 05:10:13 <impliednude> regardless. anyone have a quick fix for my said issue?
May 25 05:22:36 <min2> why kotlin is getting popular when its just a alternate to java
May 25 05:23:20 <min2> one reason may be that android developer completely fed up from android
May 25 05:25:26 <deebo> because java improves slowly, 3rd party languages can iterate much faster
May 25 05:31:49 <min2> this si the only reason
May 25 05:31:56 <min2> *is
May 25 05:35:29 <pfn> being a language compatible with Java has its advantages
May 25 05:37:54 <min2> this i like most Kotlin comes from industry, not academia
May 25 05:38:00 <min2> lol
May 25 05:38:13 <min2> https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-kotlin-is-my-next-programming-language-c25c001e26e3#.643wuq2pn
May 25 05:38:19 <SHC> I'm having an issue reading touch input
May 25 05:38:33 <bankai_> don't worry, oracle will buy them in a few years and 'fix' everything :)
May 25 05:38:38 <SHC> I need a way to find a list of touches and their position on the screen
May 25 05:38:41 <SHC> Is that possible?
May 25 05:40:52 <bankai_> you want to find an existing list of historic touches or you want to capture touche positions in your app?
May 25 05:46:49 <SHC> Capture the touch positions
May 25 05:48:47 <SHC> I'm doing this right now, but the touch_move isn't being fired. Am I doing anything wrong?
May 25 05:48:48 <SHC> https://github.com/sriharshachilakapati/SilenceEngine/blob/silenceengine-1.0.1/backend-android/src/main/java/com/shc/silenceengine/backend/android/AndroidInputDevice.java#L191
May 25 05:54:58 <SHC> Guys anyone?
May 25 05:55:57 <SHC> I'm doing this right now, but the touch_move isn't being fired. Am I doing anything wrong?
May 25 05:55:58 <SHC> https://github.com/sriharshachilakapati/SilenceEngine/blob/silenceengine-1.0.1/backend-android/src/main/java/com/shc/silenceengine/backend/android/AndroidInputDevice.java#L191
May 25 06:02:39 <bankai_> are you getting the down event?
May 25 06:06:37 <spid3rMin3> eh guys , I have a class that extends Application and within it are 3 hashmaps , sometimes when to many items are added in and an iteration has to go through , the application crashes
May 25 06:06:37 <spid3rMin3> ?
May 25 06:06:55 <Ashiren> any logs?
May 25 06:07:14 <Ashiren> too many? 1000? 1000000?
May 25 06:07:38 <spid3rMin3> 3+ , i'll tell you the exact log now, just replicating the bug
May 25 06:08:25 <spid3rMin3> java.util.ConcurrentModificationException
May 25 06:10:19 <spid3rMin3> any suggestions on avoiding this error
May 25 06:10:42 <explodes> you (probably) have two threads modifying the same list
May 25 06:11:07 <explodes> the fix is "dont" - but to avoid it you need to find out where it is being modified, which the stack trace will tell you
May 25 06:11:36 <explodes> you can synchronize around the points where you modify the list so that two thread do not hit modification code simultaneously
May 25 06:11:50 <explodes> spid3rMin3: any questions?
May 25 06:22:40 <Nick-S> so my alarmmanager delayed intents are not fired properly, but i can see them i dumpsys and then disappearing
May 25 06:31:58 <doublehp> hello. I am asked to help debuging a glitch in a GUI ... which seems due to a hidden character. I am seeking for UTF/ISO issue. <<select * from Events;" | sqlite3 /tmp/file | hexdump -C >> gives the same output with two kinds of locales. How can I get the raw lines ?
May 25 06:40:35 <unsigned_long> hey does anyone know the support phone number for google play?
May 25 06:41:46 <SHC> bankai_: Yes I'm getting the down event, only the position is returned as the starting position
May 25 06:44:45 <your_mirror> hello
May 25 06:49:24 <Nick-S> hmm
May 25 06:49:25 <doublehp> unsigned_long: they have phones ?
May 25 06:50:04 <wyrdtrtle> not that anyone would answer lol
May 25 06:50:30 <Ashiren> probably they use iphones for answering
May 25 06:50:42 <wyrdtrtle> bwahahaha
May 25 06:50:55 <doublehp> ah, that's why they can't answer ...
May 25 06:51:32 <doublehp> as soon as they pick up the call ... low batt
May 25 06:52:28 <wyrdtrtle> and siri keeps saying, ok google, fuck you
May 25 06:53:04 <doublehp> are you sure siri is able to pronouce the word google ?
May 25 06:53:47 <wyrdtrtle> mind blown
May 25 06:54:08 <Odaym> the stuff that sits under androidTest, these are what kind of tests?
May 25 06:54:30 <Odaym> I know the stuff that sits inside test/ are local unit tests, are the androidTest files instrumentation tests?
May 25 07:18:10 <spid3rMin3> http://pastebin.com/bcpyrY0U   - recycleview clickable and the color changes. When scrolled down and back up that if statement evaluates to true, but the color goes back to normal , any ideas?
May 25 07:21:44 <Ashiren> spid3rMin3: youre not resetting the color
May 25 07:22:18 <Ashiren> you should do if (something) { ...setBackgroundColor(someColor)... } else { ...setBackgroundColor(defaultColor)... }
May 25 07:22:51 <spid3rMin3> aren't i with : if() { holder.item.setBackgroundColor(ContextCompat.getColor(MyApplication.getAppContext(), R.color.checked));  } ?
May 25 07:23:36 <spid3rMin3> when i put the else { ...setBackgroundColor(defaultColor)... } , no change occurs
May 25 07:24:47 <Ashiren> but views are recycled. if you change the color it will persisnt until you change it explicitly again
May 25 07:26:29 <curtan> I want to see source code of settings in Marshmallow. I downloaded it from google website but I can't see it
May 25 07:26:55 <curtan> It has .pack extension
May 25 07:27:37 <curtan> I can't extract it
May 25 07:30:49 <curtan> Is there any other way to see the source code?
May 25 07:33:15 <wyrdtrtle> sync aosp
May 25 07:35:32 <thomedy> hello
May 25 07:35:38 <thomedy> i have 64 bit ubuntu
May 25 07:35:51 <thomedy> im trying to install android studio
May 25 07:35:51 <thomedy> https://developer.android.com/studio/install.html
May 25 07:35:55 <thomedy> its not working
May 25 07:36:27 <thomedy> Unrecognized VM option 'MaxPermSize=350m'
May 25 07:36:34 <gordon_> that's fine
May 25 07:36:40 <gordon_> do you have jdk installed ?
May 25 07:36:50 <thomedy> E: Unable to locate package lib32bz2-1.0 E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'lib32bz2-1.0' E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'lib32bz2-1.0'
May 25 07:37:02 <thomedy> no im doing that right now i read that you need the jdk
May 25 07:37:04 <gordon_> you need to install some 32bit libraries
May 25 07:37:23 <gordon_> you need - jdk (might be openjdk, I had no problems with it)
May 25 07:37:25 <thomedy> i did that too i read that but the comman line libs recommended give me that error
May 25 07:37:28 <thomedy> okay
May 25 07:37:31 <thomedy> open jdk
May 25 07:37:32 <gordon_> and 32 libs on 64bit system
May 25 07:38:11 <gordon_> libc6-i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386  those should be fine
May 25 07:38:35 <gordon_> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28804863/android-studio-how-to-install-android-platform-tools-on-ubuntu-14-04-64-bit
May 25 07:38:51 <thomedy> thanks
May 25 07:39:23 <gordon_> dont know why google didnt make any move to 64libs
May 25 07:39:43 <curtan> wyrdtrtle, nv, I found this https://github.com/android/platform_packages_apps_settings/tree/master/src/com/android/settings
May 25 07:41:22 <wyrdtrtle> i think there is another part of it in the packages/apps directory as well
May 25 07:41:40 <thomedy> you know i figured adding the 32 bit libs would help but
May 25 07:41:41 <thomedy> Unrecognized VM option 'MaxPermSize=350m' Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
May 25 07:42:15 <wyrdtrtle> yeah, packages/apps/settings
May 25 07:43:02 <thomedy> i might just do this in net beans although i think im supposed to set this up
May 25 07:43:08 <thomedy> i actualy know java
May 25 07:43:15 <thomedy> its jus tnot setting up in net bens
May 25 07:43:51 <thomedy> its just not setting up from /usr/local or /opt
May 25 07:51:42 <gordon_> thomedy: netbeans supports android / gradle ?
May 25 08:05:33 <Nick-S> does anyone have an idea why my alarm manager pending intent won't fire? https://gist.github.com/leviyehonatan/167db319efd56bb65b2c02c95d0d45cf
May 25 08:06:19 <gordon_> probably time is set wrong
May 25 08:06:29 <gordon_> eh my english skills...
May 25 08:06:39 <gordon_> probably time is wrong
May 25 08:10:00 <Nick-S> gordon_: no its not because i look at the alarm manager and i see the alarm is set
May 25 08:10:05 <Nick-S> but i don't see the intent called
May 25 08:10:19 <gordon_> interesting
May 25 08:10:23 <Nick-S> i look at the alarm manager through dumpsys alarmmanager
May 25 08:10:30 <Nick-S> yes its interesting and urgent to solve :)
May 25 08:10:39 <gordon_> it was working for me but I was using different type of alarm
May 25 08:11:01 <Nick-S> i can try it with the RTC
May 25 08:11:13 <Nick-S> instead of elapsed
May 25 08:11:19 <gordon_> try
May 25 08:12:07 <Nick-S> as if it will make any difference
May 25 08:14:57 <Nick-S> suprise! didn't work
May 25 08:15:44 <gordon_> suprise suprise
May 25 08:16:06 <gordon_> I dont have any example now to show you
May 25 08:16:21 <Nick-S> the only thing that could be is that my actual message is not good
May 25 08:16:26 <Nick-S> my intent which i try to send
May 25 08:16:42 <gordon_> might be
May 25 08:17:08 <Nick-S> but what can be wrong in it?
May 25 08:17:23 <Nick-S> its a very simple strucutre and i send the same one directly with sendbroadcast and it works
May 25 08:17:57 <Nick-S> df
May 25 08:17:59 <Nick-S> oops
May 25 08:27:01 <Nick-S> so any what could it be...
May 25 08:38:03 <lut4rp> Hrm. Maybe show some code?
May 25 08:39:04 <min2> is it possible to call kotlin activity from android activity
May 25 08:39:30 <arunL>   I have a service which creates a window overlay on some other app. I am handling back button press in the service through dispatchKeyEvent on the layout. How can I pass this event(back press) to the foreground app(other app, not mine) also.
May 25 08:49:20 <NeoFrontier> Hi, do any of you guys know if these android smart watches like the cheap ones have temperature sensors on their batteries like most android devices do ?
May 25 09:11:36 <spudowiar> Correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't done native Android Dev for a while now, RecyclerView is just a newer ListView?
May 25 09:11:48 <spudowiar> Because you can recycle views in a ListAdapter
May 25 09:13:21 <Ashiren> its much more
May 25 09:13:35 <Ashiren> its a better replacement for ListView
May 25 09:13:41 <Ashiren> as well GridView
May 25 09:14:01 <Odaym> can I use Butterknife in my tests?
May 25 09:14:05 <Odaym> wat
May 25 09:14:43 <spudowiar> Ashiren: s/newer/newer, better/g
May 25 09:14:56 <spudowiar> Ashiren: but that's all right?
May 25 09:15:11 <Ashiren> yes
May 25 09:15:23 <Ashiren> its quite abstract
May 25 09:15:52 <spudowiar> Ashiren: OK, that's good
May 25 09:15:59 <Ashiren> i little more learning curve
May 25 09:16:11 <spudowiar> In what way?
May 25 09:17:20 <Ashiren> well i.e. you dont the divider, you do it via ItemDecorator
May 25 09:17:37 <Ashiren> wether its List, grid or something else you have separate manager for that
May 25 09:18:55 <Ashiren> and probably a bit different how ViewHolders behave and what'd you expect
May 25 09:23:09 <spudowiar> Ah, I see
May 25 09:23:13 <spudowiar> It's a nicer API
May 25 09:23:21 <spudowiar> With LayoutManagers and that
May 25 09:23:24 <spudowiar> Ashiren: thanks
May 25 09:26:46 <lut4rp> hi Saket
May 25 09:27:04 <Saket> Hi lut4rp :waives:
May 25 09:27:08 <lut4rp> -i
May 25 09:28:14 <Saket> :waves: *
May 25 09:32:14 <danijoo_> imo the decorator api is horrible :/
May 25 09:32:31 <danijoo_> more possibilities but i want my setDivider() back
May 25 09:34:14 <tricknology> that feeling when you have made a big step toward completion
May 25 09:34:21 <tricknology> :D :D
May 25 09:35:58 <danijoo_> tricknology, dunno.. how does it feel ? :D
May 25 09:36:00 <curtan> if (realUid != sipper.getUid()) {
May 25 09:36:00 <curtan> BatterySipper newSipper = new BatterySipper(sipper.drainType,
May 25 09:36:00 <curtan> new FakeUid(realUid), 0.0);
May 25 09:36:00 <curtan> Is this code responsible for this: https://imgur.com/FFrx6c5
May 25 09:36:50 <tricknology> you mean the super low battery drain?
May 25 09:37:55 <tricknology> @danijoo_  Kind of frightening because you’ve grown to know it so well but really want to be done with it at the same time.
May 25 09:38:09 <tricknology> and then there’s all the “finishing touches”
May 25 09:38:43 <tricknology> then remembering little things you forgot to do that you said you’d get to later
May 25 09:38:44 <curtan> no, getting app id of a deleted app instead of app name
May 25 09:40:32 <harryparry> Is a running IntentService also killed if the activity that started it is killed?
May 25 09:40:55 <danijoo_> no
May 25 09:40:59 <curtan> Usually, if we delete an app, then it is removed from battery stats as well
May 25 09:41:27 <curtan> but this is unusual because the app id is visible
May 25 09:43:04 <harryparry> what if the app is removed from the recent apps screen by swiping it off the screen?
May 25 09:43:31 <danijoo_> that might kill the whole process
May 25 09:43:36 <danijoo_> and therfor also the service
May 25 09:44:52 <harryparry> Does this also happen with the simple Service(not IntentService)?
May 25 09:45:10 <danijoo_> yes
May 25 09:45:44 <danijoo_> but you should try it out. im not 100% sure
May 25 09:46:01 <harryparry> How can I avoid killing the service if the app process is killed? Any ideas?
May 25 09:48:15 <curtan> tricknology, I'm trying to find the code responsible for giving app id.
May 25 09:48:46 <danijoo_> harryparry, a swipe away is users way to tell your process and service to gtfo.
May 25 09:49:27 <tricknology> curtan: you can get the process id.. not sure about the app id
May 25 09:49:41 <curtan> https://github.com/android/platform_packages_apps_settings/blob/master/src/com/android/settings/fuelgauge/PowerUsageSummary.java
May 25 09:49:48 <tricknology> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1264397/how-to-get-android-application-id
May 25 09:50:12 <tricknology> im signing off for the night
May 25 09:50:21 <tricknology> it’s 3AM, i’ve been working since 8AM
May 25 09:50:26 <tricknology> nighty night
May 25 09:51:44 <harryparry> danijoo_ ok....! Thanks. That was good to know
May 25 10:00:08 <SHC> Finally I got touch input to be working as expect
May 25 10:00:13 <SHC> *expected
May 25 10:00:20 <SHC> Hurrah!!
May 25 10:21:41 <MatteoMatteo> Goodmorning, is there someone that help me about a problem with gridview and its adapter ?
May 25 10:22:17 <kuldeep> hello im getting build failure due to "import android.annotation.ArrayRes"  "error: cannot find symbol". in my build.gradle: `compile 'com.android.support:support-annotations:23.+' 		compile 'com.android.support:support-v4:23.+' 		compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:23.+'`
May 25 10:22:33 <danijoo_> MatteoMatteo, just ask your question
May 25 10:24:41 <kuldeep> anyone can give tip on why the thing failed?
May 25 10:24:43 <kuldeep> anything else that i need to produce?
May 25 10:25:12 <MatteoMatteo> my problem is that i have a simple client-server system with a php script to get a json string (from a query to mysql db). I create a class to adapt json string into gridview, but doesn't work.
May 25 10:25:41 <MatteoMatteo> can i send you my java class ?
May 25 10:26:13 <danijoo_> you can pastebin it here and if anyone is interessted to help he will do
May 25 10:26:21 <danijoo_> but "doesnt work" isnt a good error description
May 25 10:28:43 <MatteoMatteo> android emulator work, but the activity that contains my gridview is empty(the gridview is not visible, so i think that i've committed some error with the adapter)
May 25 10:29:40 <kuldeep> "android.support.annotation.BLA" make its work
May 25 10:29:44 * Sk3letor has return 
May 25 10:30:00 <MatteoMatteo> this is my java class http://pastebin.com/x3aFr25K
May 25 10:42:19 <danijoo_> MatteoMatteo, what have you tried to debug ?
May 25 10:42:43 <danijoo_> attach a debugger and check if your json is processed properly line by line and if showList is actually called
May 25 10:50:28 <MatteoMatteo> debug doesn't get me error. i've try to get directly json string without json parse function but the gridview is always empty
May 25 10:50:55 <danijoo_> MatteoMatteo, attach a debugger to step through your code line by line and assert showLit() is called
May 25 10:51:08 <danijoo_> and what is saved in your string variable etc
May 25 10:54:35 <MatteoMatteo> my json string is here http://pastebin.com/W3FxkUiA
May 25 10:56:28 <danijoo_> you dont know what the debugger is, do you?
May 25 10:57:48 <danijoo_> also the website you have in your asynctask does not return a valid json
May 25 10:58:06 <danijoo_> it returns a lot of php error notices about Undefined offset and then some json
May 25 10:58:24 <danijoo_> see http://prntscr.com/b87pva
May 25 10:58:50 <MatteoMatteo> i know how is it, but in android studio i don't know how use it
May 25 10:59:02 <danijoo_> then you should google how to use it :)_
May 25 11:00:22 <MatteoMatteo> i try to paste json string(without php errors) in myJson variable, but the result is the same
May 25 11:03:34 <danijoo_> laern the debugger. it will help you..
May 25 11:04:18 <danijoo_> then assert that the json parsing works fine (check the content of rilevationList with the debugger before its set to the adapter)
May 25 11:05:09 <danijoo_> If there is no problem with the json parsing i guess the problem is that simpleListAdapter cant handle Lists of hashmaps. In this case you have to write a custom adapter yourself
May 25 11:07:05 <MatteoMatteo> when i launch the debugger it do this http://prnt.sc/b87szs
May 25 11:08:25 <danijoo_> yes. set a breakpoint and step through your code
May 25 11:09:20 <thornekey> using PHP i am trying to output JSON for my app but its making ints as strings.. i cant use JSON_NUMERIC_CHECK as the ints are too long
May 25 11:09:31 <thornekey> anyone know an alternative
May 25 11:10:26 <danijoo_> thornekey, ##php ;)
May 25 11:10:46 <thornekey> ahh
May 25 11:13:15 <MatteoMatteo> where i have to set breackpoint?
May 25 11:14:02 <danijoo_> at the point where you want to start inspecting your variables
May 25 11:14:13 <danijoo_> for example at the beginning of your showList()
May 25 11:15:10 <danijoo_> see https://developer.android.com/studio/debug/index.html#breakPoints
May 25 11:16:10 <Zta77> Is the ViewFlipper used in modern apps?
May 25 11:18:33 <Zta77> I'm currently reskinning an old app, and they made heave use of that component.  In fact they switch the entire screen content -- a case where I personally would have preferred to start a separate Activity.
May 25 11:18:38 <MatteoMatteo> ok, i have set breakpoint at the beginning of showlist, and i see that the string contains php error messages
May 25 11:20:56 <danijoo_> MatteoMatteo, as expected. Thats why it cant be parsed to a json.
May 25 11:21:16 <akash1>  I have a service which creates a window overlay on some other app. I am handling back button press in the service through dispatchKeyEvent on the layout. How can I pass this event(back press) to the foreground app(other app, not mine) also.
May 25 11:21:27 <danijoo_> Zta77, yeah. I wouldnt use that for switching the entire screen. Better use a fragment or new activity
May 25 11:23:30 <MatteoMatteo> i paste the json string in myjson variable,but the view is always empty,
May 25 11:28:37 <danijoo_> cant help you if you refuse to learn how the debugger works.
May 25 11:29:35 <MatteoMatteo> here there is the debugger screen http://prnt.sc/b881mv
May 25 11:30:31 <danijoo_> you should use it, not post it
May 25 11:31:21 <MatteoMatteo> when i step into or over next line (you should use it, not post it) the debugger stop to work
May 25 11:31:27 <akash1> Does anyone have experience with Window Overlay on other apps ?
May 25 11:33:16 <danijoo_> MatteoMatteo, oh wait... your problem is line 85 to 89
May 25 11:33:32 <danijoo_> you extend SimpleListadapter but dont give an implementation. that makes no sense
May 25 11:34:13 <danijoo_> you need to write a custom adapter extending BaseAdapter. I think SimpleAdapter does only work for List<String> but not for your List<Map<String, String>> construct
May 25 11:35:07 <MatteoMatteo> Isn't possible to implement SimpleListAdapter?
May 25 11:35:54 <danijoo_> Not sure since i never used it sorry
May 25 11:36:00 <danijoo_> i usually create my own adapters
May 25 11:36:04 <MatteoMatteo> Anyway, searching in forums, the SimpleAdapter is never implemented
May 25 11:36:11 <danijoo_> (everyone does because simpleadapter sucks)
May 25 11:37:25 <MatteoMatteo> Ok, thank you so much, i'll create my adapter
May 25 11:37:50 <thepoosh> yay!
May 25 11:37:59 <MatteoMatteo> Where i can find some tutorial/guide/documentation to create some adapter for gridview?
May 25 11:38:03 <danijoo_> hey thepoosh
May 25 11:39:27 <squ> MatteoMatteo: https://github.com/squm/template_recyclerview
May 25 11:39:43 <danijoo_> d.android.com
May 25 11:42:57 <MatteoMatteo> Thank you all, goodbye.
May 25 11:59:13 <wviana> Gooooood Morning.
May 25 12:11:15 <thepoosh> wviana: HAIIII
May 25 12:27:35 <eghdk> Anyone use a cooling case for their macbook? My macbook pro gets too damn hot to do any work when its on my lap.
May 25 12:32:17 <Odaym> I never really place it on my lap
May 25 12:32:22 <Odaym> so uncomfrotable
May 25 12:33:22 <wviana> Odaym: Try on #macOSX there are people talking about macbook all day  long.
May 25 12:33:34 <Odaym> I'm not the one with the problem
May 25 12:43:23 <wviana> Odaym: Oh, my experience with MB all them got really hot on lap. Cares that I take is try to keep the funs output to up when holding in my lap.
May 25 12:43:50 <Odaym> you must not press very firmly
May 25 12:43:58 <Odaym> I need a table under my machine, personally :P
May 25 12:44:04 <Odaym> I press with purpose
May 25 12:58:42 <Mavrik> eghdk, how does a cooling case look like?
May 25 13:00:16 <akash1> I have a service which creates a window overlay on some other app. I am handling back button press in the service through dispatchKeyEvent on the layout. How can I pass this event(back press) to the foreground app(other app, not mine) also.
May 25 13:35:28 <Moshdev> Hey, what is the minimum version to run Android PlayStore these days?
May 25 13:37:53 <LunarEclipse120> Moshdev: This isn't an app dev question.
May 25 13:38:20 <Moshdev> trying to convince the management to not support any device below 14
May 25 13:39:31 <LunarEclipse120> Moshdev: Just tell them they are filled with security holes and have an annoying API.
May 25 13:42:15 <fBirD> hi all
May 25 13:42:22 <fBirD> can anyone help me with some questions about android proguard rules to couchbase lite ?
May 25 13:42:48 <Moshdev> what is the minSdk for com.android.support:design?
May 25 13:58:54 <oats> is it possible to do android dev with nothing but a text editor and some command-line tools
May 25 13:59:17 <oats> or do you need to use a full ide like android studio?
May 25 14:02:43 <LunarEclipse120> oats: It is possible but a pain in the ass. You could make all the .java files yourself then compile with command line
May 25 14:03:03 <oats> eh, I figured as much. Thanks anyway
May 25 14:21:03 <ghosalmartin> anyone know how i can crop a bitmap from the top
May 25 14:22:55 <thepoosh> ghosalmartin: crop from the top how?
May 25 14:23:21 <ghosalmartin> Bitmap.createBitmap(original, x.toInt(),  y.toInt(),  resources.displayMetrics.widthPixels, resources.displayMetrics.heightPixels,/2 matrix, false)
May 25 14:23:27 <ghosalmartin> that crops from the bottom up
May 25 14:23:37 <ghosalmartin> so the lower half of the image disappears, I want to do something similar to the top
May 25 15:23:42 <beshoo> Dear all , i am using Tasker, i want to add a contact to address book automatically ? can i do that ?
May 25 15:28:56 <django_> hey all
May 25 15:29:24 <django_> so for something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.infonow.bofa&hl=en it says "Current Version 6.6.10" is that the version releeased by BOA ie the app maker
May 25 15:39:07 <pfn> what else would it mean
May 25 16:00:31 <django_> if i download an APK how can I get the publisher certficate
May 25 16:06:20 <LucaS05> hi. I've made an app that let the user pay with paypal. When the payment is done, i want to show a confirmation. Is it better showing an activity or a dialog?
May 25 16:06:40 <LucaS05> The activity will contains only a message
May 25 16:07:40 <g00s> LucaS05 is that allowed?
May 25 16:08:00 <g00s> i thought that would violate Play ToS - if it does, prepare to have app removed
May 25 16:08:44 <LucaS05> g00s: i don't think so. Because paypal has a sdk for that: https://github.com/paypal/PayPal-Android-SDK/
May 25 16:08:54 <LucaS05> an sdk*
May 25 16:08:59 <g00s> hmm
May 25 16:09:29 <LucaS05> anyway i don't have to publish the app ;)
May 25 16:10:42 <LucaS05> g00s: i think the problem is showing an activity or a dialog
May 25 16:16:20 <g00s> the android fireside chat video is up
May 25 16:17:09 <g00s> Q i would ask : adoption of 6.0 is 20% behind adoption of 5.x at the same time last year, how do you guys plan on fixing this :)
May 25 16:20:45 <g00s> haha, burke: "let me answer the question like hillary clinton would do"
May 25 16:23:50 <g00s> huh, i wonder why they wouldn't just add all the java 8 APIs (like time) unless it was something like swing ...
May 25 16:24:13 <g00s> not sure why the need developer feedback on that, would think its "give us all the java 8 things" basically
May 25 16:31:23 <gabmus> hello people. Can you tell me something? I made a stupid app, with a listview containing textviews inside a navigation drawer, but for some reason when I click on the ListView items nothing happens. Apart from the onitemclicklistener which IS set, I don't even see the ripple animation. I've done this in the past, and it always worked, but why doesn't it now? what am I doing wrong? thanks
May 25 16:35:01 <gabmus> also, inside the same drawer I have a Button, and clicking it works fine, I even see the ripple. I'm getting crazy, can't wrap my head around this problem
May 25 16:35:50 <w4ffles_>  I'll be happy once my phone gets 6.0
May 25 16:38:00 <orbyt_> whatup all
May 25 16:38:57 <g00s> haha, somebody asked dianne about app architecture support
May 25 16:39:08 <g00s> i think she's totally wrong, but oh well
May 25 16:39:29 <gabmus> orbyt_: having problems with listviews -_- apart from this I'm ok
May 25 16:39:41 <pfn> I generally agree with diane, android is architecture agnostic
May 25 16:39:45 <pfn> you can throw whatever you want on top
May 25 16:40:02 <s73v3r> g00s: where at?
May 25 16:40:17 <g00s> s73v3r https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxjlT11MDW4
May 25 16:40:50 <s73v3r> I would generally agree, but the platform engineers should be aware that their work directly impacts everyone else.
May 25 16:40:54 <g00s> i think being app architecture agnostic is a nice goal, int main() is kinda like that
May 25 16:41:11 <g00s> but android has too many timing / lifecycle requirements to be agnostic like that
May 25 16:42:51 <s73v3r> yeah, by adding some of those lifecycle requirements, they are impacting the architecture
May 25 16:43:31 <s73v3r> While I wouldn’t expect platform engineers to use MVC, MVVM, MVP, etc in their platform work, I would expect them to know it, and keep those things in mind while they are doing their work
May 25 16:43:47 <g00s> hm TIL i learned about AsyncViewInflater
May 25 16:47:36 <g00s> huh , tor says they the big google apps use some internal build ystem
May 25 16:47:38 <g00s> *system
May 25 16:47:43 <g00s> i wonder if that is bazel ?
May 25 16:48:12 <pfn> yeah, it's an internal version of bazel
May 25 16:49:39 <orbyt_> gabmus: k ill bite what problems
May 25 16:50:32 <gabmus> orbyt_: resending the prev messages
May 25 16:50:40 <gabmus> hello people. Can you tell me something? I made a stupid app, with a listview containing textviews inside a navigation drawer, but for some reason when I click on the ListView items nothing happens. Apart from the onitemclicklistener which IS set, I don't even see the ripple animation
May 25 16:50:49 <gabmus> hello people. Can you tell me something? I made a stupid app, with a listview containing textviews inside a navigation drawer, but for some reason when I click on the ListView items nothing happens. Apart from the onitemclicklistener which IS set, I don't even see the ripple animation. I've done this in the past, and it always worked, but why doesn't it now? what am I doing wrong? thanks
May 25 16:50:55 <gabmus> sorry, sent it twice
May 25 17:00:39 <g00s> a few questions about android, fragmentation, emerging markets - i think google gets it wrong here
May 25 17:00:51 <g00s> they keep trying to look into making it easier for OEMs to update their devices ...
May 25 17:01:06 <g00s> but OEMs have no financial incentive to do so when they coud sell you a new phone
May 25 17:01:22 <g00s> google needs to take more control of the update process in general
May 25 17:01:34 <danijoo_> ^ this
May 25 17:04:21 <orbyt_> gabmus: 1. post code 2. use recyclerview
May 25 17:04:50 <danijoo_> only cardviews have ripple built in.
May 25 17:07:39 <gabmus> orbyt_: alright, lemme get back home. Later
May 25 17:07:54 <orbyt_> o/
May 25 17:09:04 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys! Does anybody have any experience with https://facebook.github.io/react-native/ ? Also, is it possible to have part of app implemented using standard stuff, and another part implemented with React Native?
May 25 17:11:43 <Chainfire> An app completely in JavaScript
May 25 17:11:51 <Chainfire> sounds like an accident waiting to happen
May 25 17:11:54 <orbyt_> ew
May 25 17:11:54 <orbyt_> ew
May 25 17:11:54 <orbyt_> ew
May 25 17:12:28 <AlexBerdnikov> I agree, I just have a client who wants it for some reason...
May 25 17:12:49 <orbyt_> why is the client making this decisino
May 25 17:12:54 <orbyt_> decision*
May 25 17:15:12 <pfn> javascript sucks
May 25 17:15:19 <pfn> never know if shit's gonna work
May 25 17:15:32 <orbyt_> sucks for mobile apps
May 25 17:15:36 <orbyt_> other than that js is lovely
May 25 17:15:38 <pfn> sucks for all apps
May 25 17:15:50 <pfn> it just happens to be the language we have on the web
May 25 17:15:54 <pfn> java fucked up by going applets
May 25 17:16:15 <orbyt_> lol...
May 25 17:18:38 <AlexBerdnikov> He says that he want to have an ability to update code without going through the play store.
May 25 17:19:35 <AlexBerdnikov> Not really sure what he means. The thing is that the app is a list of chat rooms, where some of participants are bots-helpers.
May 25 17:20:13 <AlexBerdnikov> So as I understand he wants to have an ability to create and modify those bots without updating the app in PlayStore
May 25 17:20:16 <orbyt_> probably wants a responsive web app
May 25 17:20:38 <orbyt_> and that depends how the bots work
May 25 17:22:12 <gabmus> AlexBerdnikov the bot should run on a server independently from the app
May 25 17:22:30 <AlexBerdnikov> That's what I'm thinking about as well
May 25 17:22:41 <AlexBerdnikov> User asks the bot for something in a predefined way like "show me the cheapest rooms" and the bot does it
May 25 17:22:49 <gabmus> orbyt_: is the recyclerview a drop in replacement for the listview? Will my adapters work?
May 25 17:23:24 <AlexBerdnikov> gambus: no, RecyclerView.Adapter is a bit more complicated thing
May 25 17:23:36 <AlexBerdnikov> So you need to reimplement them
May 25 17:23:52 <AlexBerdnikov> Not a big deal, however
May 25 17:23:56 <SimonVT> It's a 'very few changes need to happen'-replacement
May 25 17:25:23 <gabmus> Anyway, the problem is weird. I don't think using the recyclerview will make anything better. What could be the cause for a listview in a navigation drawer not to register clicks? In the main view another listview I have works perfectly
May 25 17:27:31 <s73v3r> AlexBerdnikov: Every time I’ve had a project where the client wants to update without going through the store, it ends up being a huge amount of effort, and the amount of time saved by not having to do a store update ends up being nowhere near what it cost to get that feature in
May 25 17:27:44 <s73v3r> But, React Native is probably the best way to achieve this
May 25 17:28:24 <s73v3r> It is, also, not just writing the app in JavaScript. It’s more like scripting the app in JavaScript, as it’s still using Android native components
May 25 17:29:00 <gabmus> s73v3r Or use a webview and make a polymer webapp
May 25 17:29:20 <s73v3r> that’d be an option too. Although with more of a performance hit
May 25 17:29:34 <s73v3r> and having a non-standard ui
May 25 17:30:50 <gabmus> s73v3r well, the client is an ahole apparently, and he needs an ahole solution
May 25 17:31:05 <AlexBerdnikov> s73v3r: Thank you for reply. Can you tell me how steep the learning curve is? How long it'll take to start working with it? I mean, there's some part of the app tha is already working, and I just need to complete it integrating react native there.
May 25 17:31:08 <s73v3r> i haven’t seen anything about them being an ahole
May 25 17:31:44 <s73v3r> AlexBerdnikov: From what I hear, it’s not too steep, but I’ve never put much time into it, so I couldn’t say. I don’t have any experience with JavaScript either
May 25 17:32:08 <AlexBerdnikov> Ok, got it. Thank you for sharing!
May 25 17:32:17 <s73v3r> you might ask in #reactnative?
May 25 17:33:04 <gabmus> s73v3r yeah, sorry for that, I'm pretty stressed on my own. Let's just say the client should try to come to compromises with the developer, and this isn't something that happens very often
May 25 17:33:05 <AlexBerdnikov> That's what I was thinking about after talking to real android devs :)
May 25 17:34:58 <gabmus> Here's my content_main xml, hope you can tell me what's wrong from here: http://hastebin.com/ovapeyohoj.xml
May 25 17:35:33 <AlexBerdnikov> TBH This is not a first time someone asks me if I can use some stuff like Xamarin, PhoneGap or something like that and everytime in the past I simply declined the offers because I'm freacking scared of all that shit.
May 25 17:35:52 <AlexBerdnikov> Even though I have a decent experience with JS in the past
May 25 17:35:57 <AlexBerdnikov> I just hate it
May 25 17:36:53 <AlexBerdnikov> And I'm afraid of all these tools where "you just create something with JS and it simply works and everything's unicorns and rainbows"
May 25 17:37:02 <beshoo> can we run this java code directly in Tasker : http://goo.gl/U7LjPv
May 25 17:37:34 <AlexBerdnikov> I almost physically trmbling just thinking about writing in JS again
May 25 17:37:43 <s73v3r> then decline
May 25 17:37:50 <gabmus> AlexBerdnikov Xamarin is surprisingly ok tbh, phonegap on the other hand is absolutely terrible. React is far better than it.
May 25 17:39:42 <wviana> How do I change a Spinner textSize from code ?
May 25 17:40:29 <g00s> AlexBerdnikov who is the audience for the app ?
May 25 17:40:33 <AlexBerdnikov> wviana: you don't. You change textSize of TextView from the layout you inflate
May 25 17:41:05 <wviana> AlexBerdnikov: So bad, I'm not inflating it. I'm really instantiating from code. :(
May 25 17:43:27 <AlexBerdnikov> g00s: God knows :) Client says, citing: "16 to 21 tech savvy". I'm just in process of clearing things out.
May 25 17:44:21 <AlexBerdnikov> wviana: Well, then you probably have access to the TextViews in Spinner items
May 25 17:46:45 <wviana> AlexBerdnikov: I'll inflate it.
May 25 17:47:04 <wviana> Which one should I use Spinner, android.support.v7.internal.widget.SpinnerCompat, android.support.v7.widget.AppCompatSpinner ?
May 25 17:48:45 <s73v3r> I think I just use Spinner, but I would probably suggest AppCompatSpinner
May 25 17:49:14 <AlexBerdnikov> g00s, s73v3r, gabmus: Guys, one more question. Am I right in my assumption that I can use Android Studio for developing some part of the app in JS?
May 25 17:49:20 <g00s> isn't AppCompatSpinner inflated automatically ?
May 25 17:49:36 <AlexBerdnikov> I mean, does it have some integration means?
May 25 17:49:37 <gabmus> AlexBerdnikov honestly? I have no idea
May 25 17:49:40 <s73v3r> AlexBerdnikov: I doubt it
May 25 17:49:52 <AlexBerdnikov> Sounds awful, then...
May 25 17:49:58 <s73v3r> If you were going to use React Native, I’d ask the people in that channel what they use
May 25 17:50:06 <g00s> AlexBerdnikov maybe look at the Chrome dev tool side of things ...
May 25 17:50:14 <s73v3r> it’s not awful. Studio is nice, but it’s not the best thing out there
May 25 17:50:21 <g00s> it definitely seems there are split factions within google on this ;)
May 25 17:50:39 <s73v3r> JS does have some nice tools
May 25 17:52:31 <Leeds> I think we all know that vim is better than AS
May 25 18:04:25 <g00s> Leeds lol
May 25 18:06:05 <ludocode> Anybody here use Realm as a database?
May 25 18:06:06 <g00s> nano ftw
May 25 18:06:23 <LunarEclipse120> g00s: vim
May 25 18:07:43 <konk3r> Is there an easy way to only enable swiping of specific list items in a recyclerView with ItemTouchHelper?
May 25 18:07:56 <konk3r> I have headers and footers that I don't want to be able to be swiped
May 25 18:08:14 <konk3r> The only call I'm seeing looks like it enables/disables it for the entire list though
May 25 18:08:24 <s73v3r> I believe in one of those touch helpers, there is a method where you are asked if certain positions can be moved
May 25 18:08:52 <konk3r> That's what I was thinking, but I'm not seeing it. I'll see if there are subclasses that have support for it
May 25 18:09:13 <konk3r> In the main class I'm just seeing #isItemViewSwipedEnabled();
May 25 18:09:20 <s73v3r> nevermind, I wrote my own
May 25 18:09:32 <konk3r> Ha, damn
May 25 18:09:39 <konk3r> How much work is it?
May 25 18:09:40 <s73v3r> I made an interface that I added to my adapter called isMovable
May 25 18:09:43 <s73v3r> not very
May 25 18:10:36 <konk3r> Oh wait, it looks like you can do it by overriding #getSwipeDirs
May 25 18:10:47 <konk3r> And returning 0 for views you don't want to be swiped
May 25 18:10:47 <s73v3r> in the part that initiates the swap, first call the adapter to find out if it can be movable
May 25 18:12:06 <s73v3r> g00s: apparently people at the fireside chat don’t want first class Swift support on Android :(
May 25 18:12:32 <g00s> s73v3r maybe they stocked the audience with kotlin supporters !
May 25 18:12:38 <g00s> its rigged !
May 25 18:12:52 <wviana> wow, the default spinner is ridiculous short.
May 25 18:13:14 <s73v3r> although I find it incredibly ironic that the guy who answered called out Apple for having an ancient language in Objective-C, while most Android developers are stuck on an ancient version of Java
May 25 18:14:24 <g00s> Leeds , s73v3r what i found most interesting was the question about java 8 to be included : why would google be deliberating on that unless they were expecting financial or legal consequences ...
May 25 18:14:46 <g00s> shouldn't the time apis, etc be a no brainer ?
May 25 18:14:47 <s73v3r> I think there’s also the handsets that are already out there
May 25 18:16:06 <g00s> i could see if this trial goes unfavorably, or separate future trials from oracle, google needing to pay based on what they are using
May 25 18:16:18 <s73v3r> haha, the guy said, “Anyone want to use a more modern language” and the room erupted
May 25 18:16:56 <s73v3r> well, they knew they fucked up at the beginning. They should have just done it right from the start
May 25 18:17:07 <s73v3r> instead of being all “We’re Google! We’re Special!”
May 25 18:17:29 <jaana> What do you mean “fucked up at the beginning"?
May 25 18:17:53 <g00s> jaana probably andy rubin's email "you may have to license that, good luck guys'
May 25 18:17:57 <orbyt_> another lang argument?
May 25 18:18:09 * orbyt_ gets more popcorn*
May 25 18:18:36 <s73v3r> not really an argument. Just kinda laughing at the Google people being kinda oblivious to the wants of the developers
May 25 18:19:51 <g00s> from trial last week (past email) "Wish them luck," Rubin wrote. "Java.lang.apis are copyrighted. and sun [sic] gets to say who they license the tck to," Rubin wrote.
May 25 18:20:55 <g00s> i think they all knew there were some risk, but really thought fair-use was ok
May 25 18:24:46 <jaana> We’ll soon find out
May 25 18:25:12 <g00s> i think oracle's last parts are today, deliberation starts very soon
May 25 18:25:18 <jaana> Although the fact that this being decided by a jury who couldn’t figure out how to open the folders on the evidence docket laptop makes me sad
May 25 18:25:46 <g00s> yeah i still don't understand why grand jury would be used to handle these things, which are very nuanced
May 25 18:25:50 <s73v3r> once again, you don’t really want a jury with a lot of technical knowledge, as they’d probably be biased from the start
May 25 18:26:03 <jaana> Yes, you need a middle ground
May 25 18:26:15 <s73v3r> you want a jury that’s open minded, so both sides get a fair trial
May 25 18:29:06 <g00s> yeah i agree, but for such nuanced things people can't reason analogically about, the assumption that that unbiased people (if such thing really exists) + pure reason + ignorance  can still have favorable outcome
May 25 18:29:32 <g00s> imagine one of us were on grand jury for trial involving financial fraud in 2008 timeframe
May 25 18:29:53 <g00s> the schemes were so complex, even the prosecutors had a hard time figuring out what was going on
May 25 18:31:03 <impliednude> I am working on my own wordpress-android. problem is they use their own version of gradle for the project. How can I force the project to use what came with A.S. I am thinking it might be the cause of some of headaches
May 25 18:31:33 <s73v3r> their build system likely works, so changing it could also be the cause of headaches
May 25 18:36:52 <pfn> eh, java is an open language, oracle can't sue google for doing what it did
May 25 18:36:56 <pfn> otherwise, RMS is right
May 25 18:37:08 <pfn> especially, oracle should be suing gcj, etc
May 25 18:37:08 <s73v3r> well, that statement isn’t right, because they did sue :p
May 25 18:37:30 <s73v3r> gcj is a compatible implementation, apparently. Android’s isn't
May 25 18:37:44 <pfn> gcj isn't a compatible statement
May 25 18:38:03 <pfn> implementation
May 25 18:38:45 <s73v3r> gcj isn’t popular, and they likely don’t have any money
May 25 18:40:23 <pfn> anyway, oracle specifically limits access to the TCK
May 25 18:40:30 <pfn> which is pretty bullshit, and what drove harmony into the ground
May 25 18:40:52 <pfn> (openjdk was another nail in the coffin, but incompatibly licensed)
May 25 18:43:16 <s73v3r> I will be happy if this leads to Google making it easier for other languages to get first class support
May 25 18:45:02 <hypfer> so.. i'm trying to get my app to open via the home button. sadly that doesnt happen. here's my AndroidManifest.xml https://paste.debian.net/hidden/eb63005b/
May 25 18:45:26 <hypfer> do I need to do more than that?
May 25 18:46:43 <s73v3r> ha, someone just asked if they’re going to make a way for orientation change to be more like iOS
May 25 18:47:06 <SimonVT> hypfer: Your activity tag is inside an activity tag
May 25 18:47:25 <hypfer> SimonVT: thats why it doesn't work?
May 25 18:47:45 <SimonVT> Well, activity tags need to be inside the application tag
May 25 18:47:48 <SimonVT> So maybe
May 25 18:49:11 <s73v3r> so what’s with this renewed debate on which line the { goes?
May 25 18:51:04 <eht> I am hung up on trying to rotate a small image that is placed in the middle of the screen based on touchDragged input. I hope it's ok to paste my StackOverflow post instead of typing it all out here (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37430049/libgdx-rotate-2d-image-with-touchdragged-event)
May 25 18:51:09 <eht> any insight would be appreciated
May 25 18:53:28 <hypfer> SimonVT: yes. thank you
May 25 19:00:16 <impliednude> s73v3r> I have no changed the build for gradle. problem is. on their version it hangs oftenforcing a restart which means I end up with tons of additional errors and issues and its driving me insane
May 25 19:29:32 <joshkovach> has anyone else migrated from GCM to FCM yet?
May 25 19:32:58 <django_> hey
May 25 19:33:09 <django_> given an APK can one determine app version?
May 25 19:38:02 <joshkovach> Is there a standard way to pass a variable through several layers of an rxjava stream?
May 25 19:38:51 <joshkovach> I have a retrofit method that returns a Observable<Result<Void>> that I would like to instead return the result with a value that I passed into the call
May 25 19:39:13 <pfn> django_, yes
May 25 19:44:44 <RedShift> hi all
May 25 19:44:48 <RedShift> has support for the nexus10 ended?
May 25 19:46:20 <django_> pfn, which software c do this?
May 25 19:46:23 <django_> can*
May 25 19:46:27 <pfn> aapt
May 25 19:51:33 <django_> pfn, what about downloading APK from play store
May 25 20:03:00 <pfn> aapt
May 25 20:04:53 <django_> in the manifest json: "version": "0.44", "version_name": "30.1.1", which one is the version of the app
May 25 20:05:07 <autrilla> "This function can throw IllegalStateException." this has to be the worst documentation ever
May 25 20:25:31 <kroot> autrilla: is that part of the deprecation warning?
May 25 20:25:48 <autrilla> kroot: yes
May 25 20:26:05 <kroot> autrilla: that's just telling you why it was deprecated
May 25 20:26:20 <autrilla> kroot: it's still terrible documentation
May 25 20:26:21 <Zharf> what method are we talking about
May 25 20:26:25 <autrilla> *when* does it throw that?
May 25 20:26:48 <autrilla> Zharf: one from ConnectivityManager. Tons of them have that in their documenation
May 25 20:27:04 <Zharf> oh this thing
May 25 20:27:14 <Zharf> were you talking about it a few days ago too?
May 25 20:27:48 <thebishop> hi all. is there a built-in way to see if a user revoked permission after previously granting on android?
May 25 20:27:57 <autrilla> Zharf: it's likely, yes
May 25 20:27:57 <thebishop> on Marshmallow, rather
May 25 20:29:32 <autrilla> Zharf: I doubt I was talking about the IllegalStateException, though. I was probably rambling about Android not figuring it should use the WiFi radio for stuff directed towards the WiFi radio's subnet
May 25 20:46:33 <orbyt_> wtf
May 25 20:46:56 <spudowiar> wtf wtf?
May 25 20:47:00 <spudowiar> orbyt_:
May 25 20:47:19 <orbyt_> wasnt able to sign in for awhile
May 25 20:47:23 <orbyt_> anyway
May 25 20:47:33 <orbyt_> anyone use/used realm?
May 25 20:49:06 <orbyt_> wondering if saving ~1000 objects at the same time is gonna be a problem
May 25 20:57:44 <attitude> Hi - has anyone here worked with Android and VLAns for IoT or automotive? What issues can one expect to run into?
May 25 20:59:33 <Ranguro> How can I align a text to the right in the Toolbar without hiding the Preferences button?
May 25 20:59:36 <adq> expect paradigm to be disrupted in the cloud with some iot and smart devices
May 25 20:59:44 * adq runs
May 25 21:00:14 <Ranguro> If I use layout_gravity right, the prefrenceButton dissapear in the Toolbar
May 25 21:00:52 <orbyt_> uhh: http://prntscr.com/b8fk5j
May 25 21:03:30 <Ranguro> By preference button I mean, settings button.
May 25 21:06:41 <someyoungandroid> I've got a custom view that extends GridView and is a child of a PercentRelativeLayout.  In it's onMeasure, I see that the calculated height of the window is 579 pixels.  However, when I look at the height after everything is all finished, the debugger shows 509.  What explains the discrepancy?
May 25 21:15:19 <g00s> someyoungandroid just a guess, is the PercentRelativeLayout the root view? do you need ?attr/fitsSystemWindows or something ...
May 25 21:17:12 <g00s> https://medium.com/google-developers/why-would-i-want-to-fitssystemwindows-4e26d9ce1eec
May 25 21:26:16 <someyoungandroid> g00s, i'll give that a read, thanks
May 25 21:51:21 <g00s> even though IR has been buggy as hell, its already saved me a huge amount of time - in my case, each time the app is restarted i would normally need to connect to a BT device ... but since the app is not restarted, and that is in a service, it all just chugs along each time i push an update
May 25 21:56:23 <kinch> in android studio I have some resource files that are black, some are blue and some are red... In both the blue and res ones there are lightbulbs (warnings ?? ) about "Override resource in other configuration". So first of all, what does the colors indicate, and what is that about another confiiguration? In the popup in the toolbar there is only one configuration listsd, called "Ap"
May 25 21:56:26 <kinch> app
May 25 21:57:20 <dragorn> other configurations would include things like other build flavors, overrides in your manifest, and possibly overrides in resolution or aspect specific resource directories
May 25 21:57:43 <dragorn> i don't know if AS considers those overrides
May 25 21:58:13 <eht> where would i see the output of Gdx.app.log("example", "example"); i am not seeing anything in logcat
May 25 21:58:20 <kinch> I've not knowingly done any of that, but the resource changes are not being applied when i run the application in the emulator
May 25 21:58:55 <g00s> eht you would have to ask the GDX guys ...
May 25 21:59:11 <kinch> there are no warning or errors that I see, but the app stays unchanged
May 25 21:59:18 <g00s> dragorn its getting hot :(
May 25 21:59:39 <eht> that's fair, g00s
May 25 22:00:26 <dragorn> g00s, sure is
May 25 22:00:41 <kinch> and when I select the "override resources .." I get a dialog where I can select resource directory. I'm quite lost
May 25 22:01:06 <kinch> I've cleaned and rebuilt etc
May 25 22:02:14 <eht> what classes do i need to have available to use Log.d. It is only giving me the option to import sun.rmi.runtime.Log
May 25 22:02:48 <kinch> still, what about the colors of the resource files ? What do they mean ?
May 25 22:08:22 <orbyt_> making a retrofit call and getting this spammed to the console: http://prntscr.com/b8gd69
May 25 22:08:35 <orbyt_> followed by this: http://prntscr.com/b8gdcv
May 25 22:08:54 <orbyt_> and then..
May 25 22:09:14 <orbyt_> this: http://prntscr.com/b8gdov
May 25 22:09:22 <orbyt_> not sure where to begin to debug
May 25 22:09:36 <orbyt_> im guessing something wrong is happening when gson is trying to parse the response but idk
May 25 22:09:48 <Zharf> do you have custom gson type adapters
May 25 22:10:01 <Sk3letor> what I should pratice today..
May 25 22:10:26 <orbyt_> Zharf: no i dont
May 25 22:10:39 <Zharf> what's the json like?
May 25 22:11:27 <orbyt_> its fucky, but my code was working earlier today which is why its weird. Ill post an example of the response schema
May 25 22:11:49 <orbyt_> just in case: http://paste.ee/p/PC57w
May 25 22:13:48 <orbyt_> Zharf: call returns about 900 of these: http://prntscr.com/b8gfcx
May 25 22:14:08 <orbyt_> im currently using a hashmap to make up for the shitty schema
May 25 22:15:48 <orbyt_> well
May 25 22:15:52 <orbyt_> to be more accurate
May 25 22:16:03 <orbyt_> its about 3 calls of around 300 ea
May 25 22:16:17 <orbyt_> because the single call was being timed out lmao
May 25 22:21:16 <kinch> so I found the File Status panel in the preferences, and red appears to be merged with conflicts, and blue might be modifed. git status
May 25 22:31:04 <saapas> what type of test should I write when I have a custom View class that has a custom data class, and I want to assert that input data goes through the View into the custom data object in a certain format?
May 25 22:54:26 <Napalm> https://www.youtube.com/user/androiddevelopers/videos
May 25 22:54:38 <Napalm> yay more videos added.. including Advanced Data Binding
May 25 22:54:45 <spid3rMin3> I have a recycleView full of strings , When I type something in a EditText , I want to show only the strings that match the edittext value, can anyone point towards the right direction
May 25 22:55:09 <Napalm> filter it
May 25 22:55:27 <Napalm> simply change the array of data that backs the recyclerview and call datasetchanged
May 25 22:56:33 <spid3rMin3> sweet
May 25 22:56:36 <spid3rMin3> thanks
May 25 22:59:34 <autrilla> Firebase does look enticing
May 25 23:07:32 <g00s> lol what could possibly go wrong http://www.gizmag.com/colin-furze-flamethrower-guitar/43527/pictures
May 25 23:35:18 <Pyuruku> Hi there, I'm getting "NoSuchMethod" errors on my instrumentation tests on a few of my own classes, does anyone here know what would be causing this?
May 25 23:35:22 <Pyuruku> the methods definitely exist
May 25 23:51:17 <impliednude> I am working on a open source project. It appears they decided to use for the background of the app color.xml and primaryBackground as a color. Any way to override it so that way it can use a bitmap instead of a color?
May 25 23:51:44 <impliednude> I know how to do drawable/nameofbitmap
May 25 23:52:20 <impliednude> but I know I can add that to colors.xml
May 25 23:53:05 <impliednude> I can't*
May 25 23:53:47 <impliednude> wb CedricBeust
May 25 23:54:03 * impliednude cheers
May 25 23:54:46 <impliednude> I am working on a open source project. It appears they decided to use for the background of the app color.xml and primaryBackground as a color. Any way to override it so that way it can use a bitmap instead of a color? I know I can't just add it to colors.xml sadly /lesigh
May 25 23:55:18 <Napalm> erm
May 25 23:55:23 <Napalm> what
May 25 23:55:35 <Napalm> impliednude: not sure I understand what your asking
May 25 23:56:00 <Napalm> just use the drawable as your background
May 25 23:56:17 <impliednude> I am modifying wordpress-android. Right now they use for the background a predefined color. this is used across all screens. and is defined in colors.xml
May 25 23:56:54 <impliednude> sadly, even if I add the drawable to the background under the theme editor. It still shows primaryBackground
May 25 23:56:57 <impliednude> which is a color
May 25 23:57:05 <Napalm> is wordpress-android an open-source app?
May 25 23:57:09 <impliednude> yep
May 25 23:57:16 <Napalm> link and I'll take a look at the code
May 25 23:57:28 <impliednude> https://github.com/wordpress-mobile/WordPress-Android
May 25 23:58:52 <Napalm> https://github.com/wordpress-mobile/WordPress-Android/blob/develop/WordPress/src/main/res/values/colors.xml
May 25 23:58:56 <Napalm> what bit are you talking about?
May 25 23:59:16 <Napalm> i dont see primaryBackground
May 25 23:59:34 <impliednude>  <color name="default_background">@color/grey_lighten_30</color> ln 29
May 25 23:59:49 <impliednude> and color_primary
May 26 00:00:16 <Napalm> https://github.com/wordpress-mobile/WordPress-Android/blob/develop/WordPress/src/main/res/values/styles.xml
May 26 00:00:18 <impliednude> if I change those to another color it updates the entire background across all 11 modules
May 26 00:00:42 <Napalm> right?
May 26 00:01:07 <impliednude> yes, however, in the code they still call R.color.blue_wordpress
May 26 00:01:42 <Napalm> im still not following
May 26 00:01:50 * impliednude sighs
May 26 00:01:54 <Napalm> you wanted to use a bitmap instead of a color
May 26 00:02:00 <Napalm> for your background
May 26 00:02:06 <Napalm> <item name="android:windowBackground">@color/grey_lighten_30</item>
May 26 00:02:10 <Napalm> its right there in the style
May 26 00:02:18 <impliednude> okay if I changes styles.xml it still shows up as grey_lighten_30
May 26 00:02:25 <Napalm> default_background is only used in settings
May 26 00:03:17 <Napalm> impliednude: right.. because they hard code it to use a color instad of a drawable in most places
May 26 00:03:21 <Napalm> bad pratice
May 26 00:03:25 <Napalm> https://github.com/wordpress-mobile/WordPress-Android/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=grey_lighten_30
May 26 00:03:44 <impliednude> yes, and I wish I knew a way of force it not too
May 26 00:03:51 <Napalm> you'll have to replace <shape></shape> tags in those other drawables
May 26 00:04:11 <Napalm> with <item android:drawable="@drawable/blah" />
May 26 00:04:22 <Napalm> now all those places reference that drawable
May 26 00:04:29 <impliednude> okay. Thanks!!
May 26 00:04:34 <Napalm> now by default that can be a <shape> drawable
May 26 00:04:58 <Napalm> and you can replace that with a xml drawable with a <bitmap> tag or the direct drawable
May 26 00:05:18 <Napalm> the <bitmap> tag might give you more control like the tile modes and other things
May 26 00:05:36 <Napalm> that bitmap tag then references the actual png resource
May 26 00:06:48 <impliednude> much appreciated.
May 26 00:20:01 <teasp00n> Pyuruku: the version of the class that is being loaded by the classloader isnt the one containing the bytecode you're expecting. do you have different product flavors etc? or is that class only ever defined in one place?
May 26 00:20:17 <Pyuruku> teasp00n: that class is only ever defined in one place
May 26 00:20:38 <Pyuruku> teasp00n: I think I know whats going on though, the method that is "not found" is only used by the test... so maybe its being proguarded out
May 26 00:20:50 <Pyuruku> but I tried adding a "-keep" rule for that class, still didnt help
May 26 00:20:52 <Pyuruku> :|
May 26 00:21:38 <teasp00n> Pyuruku: yeah you could be on to something there. what's the access modifier for the method in question?
May 26 00:21:50 <Pyuruku> public
May 26 00:22:42 <teasp00n> Pyuruku: pastebin the method and keep rule?
May 26 00:22:59 <Pyuruku> the method is one line, returning a long value
May 26 00:23:14 <Pyuruku> the keep rule I used was `-keep com.company.class.** {*;}`
May 26 01:18:21 <g00s> lol thats awesome http://imgur.com/a/5MIK9
May 26 01:22:47 <RustyShackleford> does anyone else find the firebase API's a little awkward?
May 26 01:24:34 <JustinHitla> how to find out if my phone supports wireless packet injection ?
May 26 01:25:39 <JustinHitla> is there programm to check it ?
May 26 01:26:00 <usgrant> RustyShackleford: i haven’t played with the new firebase apis, but it’s always been a little bit awkward
May 26 01:26:52 <RustyShackleford> I don't know how to make a many to one relationship without storing the key of an object as a member
May 26 01:27:54 <RustyShackleford> "Bob": {key: "Bob", age: 25}
May 26 01:41:31 <g00s> ah good news, hopefully http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-25/google-steps-up-pressure-on-partners-tardy-in-updating-android
May 26 01:43:42 <g00s> anyone remember dan morrill's little treatise on f-ragmentation? http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/05/on-android-compatibility.html
May 26 01:43:42 <g00s> haha, he as pretty wrong. we all knew that though
May 26 01:46:06 <g00s> "Google is using more forceful tactics. It has drawn up lists that rank top phone makers by how up-to-date their handsets are, based on security patches and operating system versions, according to people familiar with the matter. Google shared this list with Android partners earlier this year. It has discussed making it public to highlight proactive manufacturers and shame tardy vendors through omission from the list, two of the people said."
May 26 01:46:14 <g00s> yes, please share google !
May 26 01:46:30 <g00s> although, i think i know what the answer is ... pretty much anything not nexus is going to be embarassing
May 26 01:48:17 <g00s> ""The best way to solve this problem is a massive re-architecture of the operating system," ... yes please
May 26 01:56:21 <usgrant> exactly what incentive do any of them have to update? i doubt public shaming will work
May 26 01:57:33 <g00s> lawsuits from consumers ;)
May 26 01:57:33 <usgrant> under what grounds
May 26 01:57:33 <g00s> like the one mentioned in the article, but yeah - they have their own agenda
May 26 01:57:33 <g00s> not getting security updates = defective product
May 26 01:57:51 <g00s> defective product = consumer protections, complaints
May 26 01:58:42 <usgrant> i think google would have to straight up pay for manufacturers to keep their shit up to date. i doubt it’s economical
May 26 02:00:49 <RustyShackleford> these new firebase features do look rediculously cool
May 26 02:01:19 <JustinHitla> google's search engine is now going full open source under the apache license ?
May 26 02:02:40 <drose379> You guys ever use static imports? Seems cool
May 26 02:02:40 <ranguro> Hello
May 26 02:02:40 <ranguro> To autoscroll a textview, should I create a service?
May 26 02:02:40 <g00s> lolwut
May 26 02:03:05 <ranguro> Like credits...
May 26 02:03:08 <ranguro> in a movie
May 26 02:03:23 <drose379> Sounds like a View thing, not bg serivce
May 26 02:03:57 <g00s> ranguro you use a service when things have to happen and the UI is away
May 26 02:04:37 <g00s> if your UI is there ... no need for service
May 26 02:04:37 <g00s> drose379 yeah they are cool , i use sparingly
May 26 02:04:37 <g00s> you can use them to create nice DSLs
May 26 02:04:37 <drose379> Yeah, just found out about that today, and another neat java feature I'd hadent seen before
May 26 02:04:39 <drose379> Instance variable initialization
May 26 02:04:42 <ranguro> Ok
May 26 02:05:28 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> drose379: which feature?  I just arrived in channel.
May 26 02:05:28 <ranguro> Any hint on how can I add this feature to my app?
May 26 02:05:28 <drose379> I was talking about static imports, but now I was gonna bring up variable initialization
May 26 02:06:12 <drose379> Like this, I had never seen this syntax before: http://pastie.org/private/o2hvfdxnpynv3qcmuoqkua
May 26 02:07:53 <usgrant> why would you do that
May 26 02:08:18 <drose379> Incase you wanna initialize the List with items right on the spot
May 26 02:08:39 <drose379> You can do it with any anon class, never knew
May 26 02:13:39 <ranguro> It seems like the auto scroll feature should be done with a listview or a recyclerview
May 26 02:14:33 <drose379> Maybe you can use a timer to scroll the lisetview down a bit every 20ms
May 26 02:14:33 <drose379> Or 60
May 26 02:17:34 <teasp00n> what is the best mechanism to use just to get some image post processing off the main thread? handler vs asynctask etc?
May 26 02:17:34 <teasp00n> or even a vanilla thread...
May 26 02:18:45 <ranguro> Yes, I'm also thinking on using a thread
May 26 02:18:45 * Ping_2_Ur_Pong stopped doing his own image processing in uses picasso for nearly everything.  But, async is good except for the now issues with it.
May 26 02:18:45 <usgrant> rxjava
May 26 02:19:52 <usgrant> using Single or Completable depending on how you deliver your data
May 26 02:19:52 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> I figured if he wasn't using picasso problem wasn't using rxjava.
May 26 02:19:52 <drose379> What do you mean by "Use a thread" ranguro
May 26 02:19:52 <usgrant> heh fair point
May 26 02:19:52 <ranguro> drose379, Runnable()
May 26 02:19:52 <^v> anything that could cause a BluetoothSocket to spew tons of random garbage when sent a small amount of binary data
May 26 02:19:52 <drose379> Try a Timer (I think)
May 26 02:19:52 <drose379> You can set the interval in which it calls a piece of code
May 26 02:19:59 <drose379> In that piece, scroll the view
May 26 02:19:59 <^v> inb4 ds84182 tells people i dont know how to manage an activity lifecycle and its all my fault
May 26 02:20:53 <ds84182> lol
May 26 02:21:56 <g00s> ^v test on another platform to check assumptions :)
May 26 02:21:56 <g00s> on osx anyhow, you can make it appear as serial port
May 26 02:21:56 <g00s> and then putz with it using screen
May 26 02:22:08 <g00s> otherwise, socket giving garbage is too vague :)
May 26 02:22:30 <g00s> could be anything, wrong charset, endianness, etc
May 26 02:22:59 <teasp00n> turns out google actually have docs addressing exactly what i need: https://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/process-bitmap.html
May 26 02:23:38 <drose379> You shud REALLY use Picasso
May 26 02:23:54 <drose379> Are you downloading an image from web?
May 26 02:24:33 <impliednude> gradlew -d assembleDebug takes FOREVERits now going on 6 hours
May 26 02:25:27 <^v> g00s, yes i actually tested with my raspi if my microcontroller was transmitting garbage
May 26 02:25:27 <^v> specifically the garbage is \xFF\xFF\xFF every 1/8th second or so
May 26 02:26:16 <g00s> are you expecting anything every 1/8 second ?
May 26 02:26:34 <^v> no, the microcontroller transmits every 5 seconds
May 26 02:27:01 <g00s> hrmf, and you are using the correct rfcomm UUID ?
May 26 02:27:29 <drose379> Whats the deal with StartActivityFromFragment?
May 26 02:28:23 <^v> g00s, well i can easialy receive and transmit plain text data
May 26 02:30:16 * Ping_2_Ur_Pong actually had to open up one of his old books for this quote.
May 26 02:30:18 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> "If you are developing programs in a field that's new to you, you must find out what is already known, lest you waste your time doing poorly what oth- ers have already done well."
May 26 02:30:41 <Ping_2_Ur_Pong> --Practice of Programming Kernighan and Pike
May 26 02:31:29 <teasp00n> drose379: no, loading from an obb and according to the client i need to blur the images. i should really just save the ones i need again pre-blurred so i dont need to do a runtime filter every time. its pretty cpu intensive
May 26 02:33:19 <teasp00n> ^v: is it just heartbeat stuff to keep the connection active?
May 26 02:33:45 <teasp00n> ^v: is it configured as RFCOMM?
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