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Jul 31 04:40:11 * capella-5x wanders to the kitchen
Jul 31 04:40:22 <capella-5x> in the wrong tab
Jul 31 04:49:14 <napster> Do creating CompoundViews for recyclerview row items have any performance advantage? (My rows are moderately complex set of imageviews and textviews)
Jul 31 04:50:39 <pfn> why would you make a custom keyboard
Jul 31 04:50:46 <pfn> that's overkill for an app
Jul 31 04:51:12 <pfn> just make a layout with the keys you need an include whenever you need the input you want
Jul 31 04:51:26 <pfn> using the numeric keyboard is generally worthless
Jul 31 04:51:41 <pfn> some ime have a custom numeric only layour
Jul 31 05:26:11 <droid2> curious does anybody know what the desktop/windows manager/ desktop env is for andriod or what the andriod sources uses off the top of there head i know searching a root device or adb shelling thru all the files /etc whatever would eventually maybe turn something up on this.
Jul 31 05:27:18 <droid2> Anybody know off the top of there head i would imagine this pieces wasn't a complete rewrite and finding an equivalent desktop manager /windows manager/desktop env would be available to apt-get or yum  or pkg ,..etc
Jul 31 05:27:31 <droid2> if not thats ok i can figure it out eventually
Jul 31 05:29:18 <droid2> hell alot of new desktops for linux distro seem to look similar just was curious on the exact ones tha andriod project uses
Jul 31 05:31:53 <droid2> looks as its just the toolbar part of say ubuntu just layed out differently
Jul 31 05:33:02 <g00s> O.o
Jul 31 05:42:42 <thornekey> do profile id's change on facebook api?
Jul 31 05:49:08 <Leeds> g00s: yup, got a special case here
Jul 31 06:02:42 <napster> Do creating CompoundViews for recyclerview row items have any performance advantage? (My rows are moderately complex set of imageviews and textviews)
Jul 31 06:12:34 <thornekey> i am trying to change a buttons text based on whether the user has already joined an event or not. http://hastebin.com/qahiyuyama.coffee if they are in the event their facebook id is logged in an array (retrieved from a db) and then i iterate through the list and find if their id matches any already in the list. however it always returns false when my output to ADM says it should be true..
Jul 31 06:12:46 <g00s> napster no
Jul 31 06:12:53 <napster> ok
Jul 31 06:13:11 <g00s> if you have performance problem, make full custom view
Jul 31 06:14:38 <napster> g00s full custom view means?
Jul 31 06:14:57 <napster> and how does it help?
Jul 31 06:15:22 <g00s> a Compound View as typically mean is just a container for other stock views ...
Jul 31 06:15:36 <napster> ok
Jul 31 06:15:44 <napster> yes
Jul 31 06:15:50 <g00s> but the /other/ kind of custom view is where you draw everything on the canvas yourself
Jul 31 06:16:02 <g00s> so its only have a depth of 1
Jul 31 06:16:12 <napster> makes sense.
Jul 31 06:16:33 <g00s> from what i remember, the message list in email - each item is a custom view
Jul 31 06:16:38 <g00s> *gmail
Jul 31 06:17:00 <g00s> instead of a bunch of textviews, etc
Jul 31 06:17:29 <napster> ok, it looked to me like a compoundview
Jul 31 06:17:55 <napster> because there are only 3 textviews
Jul 31 06:18:17 <napster> ok the contact img/imageview may be there.
Jul 31 06:18:49 <napster> in my case, it is a little more complex.
Jul 31 06:24:44 <napster> And one associated question. On an average onBindViewholder takes 1500K nano time. Is this acceptable.?
Jul 31 06:35:54 <thepoosh> napster: woha
Jul 31 06:36:07 <napster> hey thepoosh :) whats up man?
Jul 31 06:36:21 <thepoosh> all good, where were you the past few months?
Jul 31 06:36:37 <napster> ah, working on boring stuff as usual. :)
Jul 31 06:37:13 <thepoosh> idk what that even means
Jul 31 06:37:23 <napster> never mind.
Jul 31 06:37:57 <napster> everything is boring since I stopped pirating music.
Jul 31 06:38:25 <thornekey> does anyone know why this is returning as false when the output says it should be true http://hastebin.com/qahiyuyama.coffee
Jul 31 06:39:36 <thepoosh> napster: lol
Jul 31 06:52:02 <VerbalKint> What's the point of having a gradle package in your distribution's repo if every Android project is going to download its own? This is dumb.
Jul 31 07:29:17 <Jidoor> is it possible to run a native binary with adb on unrooted phone?
Jul 31 07:30:16 <Jidoor> trying to get this to work https://code.google.com/archive/p/android-screenshot-library/wikis/UserGuide.wiki
Jul 31 07:30:28 <Jidoor> but their script doesnt seem to work directly for me
Jul 31 07:31:04 <Jidoor> was able to move the binary to some folders but couldnt execute it
Jul 31 07:33:18 <Jidoor> their script looks like this http://pastebin.com/xXqaud3s
Jul 31 07:33:58 <Jidoor> didn't work at all first when it tried to save it to data/local, changed it to data/local/tmp and the script passed but i don't think it worked anyway
Jul 31 07:34:17 <Jidoor> then i tried to manually push that file to different places and make it executble
Jul 31 07:34:55 <Jidoor> that thing is liek 6 years old so maybe it just wont work anymore
Jul 31 07:40:49 <Jidoor> maybe i need to keep trying using MediaProjection
Jul 31 09:22:31 <maour> Hi, i'm going to develop an android voip application using SIP, Is Sip Stack library available in android enough to do it? or there is a limitation? or should i look for alternative opensource sip stacks like Pjsip, Mjsip ...
Jul 31 09:22:54 <maour> There is an old thread on stackoverflow about it, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13511372/voip-library-for-android
Jul 31 09:23:15 <maour> I'm looking for any new information or exprience
Jul 31 12:27:28 <DroidAce> hi all i can't figure this error:      Process: testbooklistcom.www.testbooklist, PID: 7871                                                                                 java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to invoke virtual method 'java.lang.String testbooklistcom.www.testbooklist.Results.getTitle()' on a null object reference                                                                                     at testbooklis
Jul 31 12:27:52 <DroidAce> here is my full source code: http://pastebin.com/aSv6r5KX
Jul 31 12:32:15 <purplex88> How can I use a "compound button"?
Jul 31 12:33:16 <purplex88> no wait i need a checkbox
Jul 31 12:34:06 <purplex88> and that uses setOnCheckedChangeListener from compoundbutton
Jul 31 12:35:34 <hero_biz> hi
Jul 31 12:35:49 <hero_biz> guys, I have a small problem.
Jul 31 12:36:12 <hero_biz> I have included <stdatomic.h> in my jni and use atomic operations.
Jul 31 12:36:28 <hero_biz> they works great in emulator
Jul 31 12:36:51 <hero_biz> but they don't work correctly hen I use it on my phone.
Jul 31 12:37:00 <hero_biz> any idea why?
Jul 31 12:37:18 <hero_biz> emulator in x86_64, phone is arm.
Jul 31 12:37:50 <Ashiren> purplex88: because CheckBox extends CompoundButton
Jul 31 12:38:11 <purplex88> how does compound button look like anyway?
Jul 31 12:38:40 <Ashiren> its abstract, it doenst 'look'
Jul 31 12:38:48 <Ashiren> togglebutton extends it as well
Jul 31 12:40:18 <purplex88> ah so its just a theoretical class.
Jul 31 12:40:52 <purplex88> thats why i xml wasn't accepting it
Jul 31 12:41:56 <Ashiren> ;o
Jul 31 12:46:55 <DroidAce> hi all i'm trying to fetch books from Goole books but I get this error whenever I hit the search button:    java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to invoke virtual method 'java.lang.String testbooklistcom.www.testbooklist.Results.getTitle()' on a null object reference                                                                                     at testbooklistcom.www.testbooklist.ResultsAdapter.getView(ResultsAdapter.java
Jul 31 12:47:04 <DroidAce> here is my github repo: https://github.com/CSPatterns/TestBookList2
Jul 31 12:55:15 <DroidAce> It looks like result is null here when it calls the             updateUi(result) in  onPostExecute but I am not sure how to fix that so that result is not null
Jul 31 12:56:16 <Ashiren> DroidAce: no errors? like Log.e(LOG_TAG, "Error with the the url/search.");
Jul 31 12:56:30 <Ashiren> or Log.e(LOG_TAG, "Problem parsing the search result JSON.");
Jul 31 12:56:57 <DroidAce> no errors so fat. just this NPE   java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to invoke virtual method 'java.lang.String testbooklistcom.www.testbooklist.Results.getTitle()' on a null object reference                                                                                       at testbooklistcom.www.testbooklist.ResultsAdapter.getView(ResultsAdapter.java:33)                                                                    
Jul 31 12:58:06 <Ashiren> and before? no logs
Jul 31 12:58:24 <Ashiren> because as i can see, if it cant connect or cant parse it returns null
Jul 31 13:00:21 <DroidAce> i debugged it it seems to be connecting
Jul 31 13:00:30 <DroidAce> but still not sure why its null
Jul 31 13:02:31 <DroidAce> OK now I see a log after putting a return statment like this in the UpdateUI metthod
Jul 31 13:02:32 <DroidAce>      if (result == null) {                 emptyText.setText("Sorry what you are searching for cannot be found.");                 return;             }
Jul 31 13:02:42 <DroidAce> the log says: 07-31 09:01:46.619 3368-3398/testbooklistcom.www.testbooklist E/MainActivity: Problem parsing the search result JSON.
Jul 31 13:11:22 <DroidAce> looks like i misepellt items to item  here   JSONArray itemArray = baseJsonResponse.getJSONArray("items");
Jul 31 13:25:35 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys! How can I customize DateUtils.getRelativeTimeSpanString() output to have, lets say, "2h" instead of 2 hours ago?
Jul 31 13:25:38 <AlexBerdnikov> Is it possible?
Jul 31 13:42:23 <BlackGold>  anyone using Android studio 2.2 cmake to build native?
Jul 31 14:03:15 <hero_biz> has anyone used <stdatomic.h> in their jni/ndk yet?
Jul 31 14:27:30 <AlexBerdnikov> Does SQLite create _id column automatically for every table? I use Stetho to debug my DB data and I have two _id columns in every table. When I create my tables I declare _ID column explicitly.
Jul 31 14:28:17 <AlexBerdnikov> But If there were two columns with same name I thing it would be an error and CREATE statement would simply fail on its run
Jul 31 14:30:09 <AlexBerdnikov> http://i.imgur.com/XTTR1Be.jpg
Jul 31 14:40:30 <drose379> Looks like if I create a TOAST in activity B, then close activity B immediately, the toast will continue showing in activity A
Jul 31 14:40:31 <drose379> Cool
Jul 31 14:51:06 <BlackGold> I switched to studio 2.2 preview 6 cmake from experimental plugin and now it cant find gles3 but can find gles2 even though I can verify that it exists. anyone else experiencing similar linkage errors?
Jul 31 14:52:05 <SimonVT> AlexBerdnikov: Nope, you have to create the _id column yourself
Jul 31 14:52:34 <AlexBerdnikov> SimonVT, And that's what I always do
Jul 31 14:52:55 <AlexBerdnikov> So I don't understand how the heck second _id column appears there
Jul 31 14:53:09 <AlexBerdnikov> It drives me crazy
Jul 31 14:53:37 <AlexBerdnikov> It doesn't break anything, it works great, but I just want to understand why?
Jul 31 14:55:03 <SimonVT> No idea, I've never used stetho
Jul 31 15:00:54 <BlackGold> no one's using studio 2.2 cmake?
Jul 31 15:02:52 <BlackGold> I think it's buggy on win10. I have to have cmakelists in /app before /cpp...thats not what it says or shows in the docs
Jul 31 15:05:28 <drose379> Anyone know the best way to get images to cache in WebView?
Jul 31 15:05:43 <drose379> I need to load the images offline inside a webview, and they only show up 50% of the time for some reason
Jul 31 15:07:52 <BlackGold> the template puts the cmakelists in /app and even changing external native build path doesn't work so I'm thinking its a bug or I'm experiencing cache issues.
Jul 31 15:18:58 <hero_biz> has anyone used <stdatomic.h> in their jni/ndk yet?
Jul 31 15:24:53 <BlackGold> <atomic> using -latomic
Jul 31 15:25:03 <hero_biz> hmm
Jul 31 15:25:25 <hero_biz> does it differ from <stdatomic.h>?
Jul 31 15:26:26 <hero_biz> anyway, have you ever had any strange behavior on phones?
Jul 31 15:27:10 <hero_biz> I have used it and it works when on emulator(x86_64), but not workign correctly on my phone(armeabi)
Jul 31 15:29:29 <BlackGold> while atomic is c++. I haven't experienced issues but I've read that some hardware has issues. it also might not be lock free if it's not supported.
Jul 31 15:30:10 <hero_biz> I'm just using atomic_load/atomic_store
Jul 31 15:30:49 <hero_biz> load and store does not need loading for arm(it is atomic)
Jul 31 15:31:03 <hero_biz> but because I wanted to write a generic codes,I used it.
Jul 31 15:31:19 <hero_biz> I don't know why it is so messed up.
Jul 31 15:31:51 <BlackGold> could be a atomic memory order issue.
Jul 31 15:31:53 <hero_biz> I use atomic_store to write a data to a variable, then read it from another thread with atomic_load
Jul 31 15:32:22 <hero_biz> I used default memory order.
Jul 31 15:32:26 <hero_biz> is it incorrect?
Jul 31 15:34:01 <BlackGold> it's hardware dependent. I'll try and find a link from herb stutter I believe
Jul 31 15:36:57 <BlackGold> just Google atomic weapons by herb stutter. you might need memory fences and different memory orders.
Jul 31 15:38:14 <g00s> oh man, good 'ol herb sutter
Jul 31 15:38:25 <g00s> haven't read his stuff in a while ...
Jul 31 15:38:36 <hero_biz> hm...
Jul 31 15:38:50 <hero_biz> but not really sure if it is memory order.
Jul 31 15:39:04 <hero_biz> I'm using default order then it uses ' memory_order_seq_cst'
Jul 31 15:39:17 <hero_biz> which is strongest
Jul 31 15:39:40 <hero_biz> then the problem should not appear at least here.
Jul 31 15:42:29 <BlackGold> herb says arm maps differently. herb always has good info. I'm thinking you need order and/or fences.
Jul 31 15:42:47 <hero_biz> ok,I will check it out.
Jul 31 15:45:29 <BlackGold> be prepared to go insane and back...it's like learning metaprogramming lol
Jul 31 15:49:32 <hero_biz> <.<
Jul 31 15:50:21 <hero_biz> yea, specially when you know it will work if you just remove these atomic instructions lol.
Jul 31 15:52:32 <BlackGold> if you read herbs lock free or die it has good info too.
Jul 31 15:53:17 <hero_biz> I always like good topic to read. 3 hours of atmoic instructions :D
Jul 31 15:54:06 <BlackGold> after a few videos and books you'll have it down pack
Jul 31 15:54:46 <BlackGold> *pact
Jul 31 15:55:28 <hero_biz> I personally love atmoic instruction.
Jul 31 15:55:45 <hero_biz> I try to do everything with them,as long as possible.
Jul 31 15:56:06 <hero_biz> too much better than locks
Jul 31 15:59:25 <BlackGold> I use them too as much as possible. youll go nuts just studying atomics.
Jul 31 16:00:15 <hero_biz> not in windows that much. :P
Jul 31 16:00:38 <hero_biz> Interlocked instructions are simple :P no memory order considerations
Jul 31 16:00:59 <hero_biz> as far as I know
Jul 31 16:04:08 <BlackGold> atomic ticket queues are fun lol
Jul 31 16:05:48 <hero_biz> I never tried implementing, but I guess all queues and trees can be inplemented with atomic operations.
Jul 31 16:06:44 <hero_biz> not sure, need to check it sometime.
Jul 31 16:07:41 <hero_biz> btw, do you select suitable memory order for each operation?
Jul 31 16:07:55 <hero_biz> or just use strongest to be safe? lol
Jul 31 16:11:09 <BlackGold> depends on the atomic operation. some you can use a more relaxed order.
Jul 31 16:17:40 <thepoosh> g00s: it's the return of the super-meh
Jul 31 16:17:43 <purplex88> Can I use fragment's onCreate to set event listeners such as onClick or should it go in onCreateView?
Jul 31 16:17:46 <thepoosh> with links to reddit
Jul 31 16:17:52 <g00s> thepoosh may the meh be with you !
Jul 31 16:18:03 <thepoosh> purplex88: onclicks to views?
Jul 31 16:18:08 <purplex88> yes
Jul 31 16:18:18 <g00s> thepoosh i think, its just that - as the technology becomes mature and less exciting, people just have less to say about it
Jul 31 16:18:19 <thepoosh> only in onCreateView or onViewCreated
Jul 31 16:18:23 <thepoosh> purplex88:
Jul 31 16:18:27 <g00s> i'm sure Cobol Weekly is pretty meh too
Jul 31 16:18:39 <thepoosh> g00s: ya think?
Jul 31 16:18:43 <g00s> :D
Jul 31 16:19:14 <g00s> maybe they should go biweekly or even monthly
Jul 31 16:19:17 <thepoosh> you think C weekly still has ANSI-C dive in #54?
Jul 31 16:19:44 <thepoosh> besides, fragmented is still very interesting
Jul 31 16:20:05 <g00s> i haven't listened to those
Jul 31 16:21:49 <g00s> thepoosh new book this week http://www.informit.com/store/android-database-best-practices-9780134437996
Jul 31 16:21:56 <g00s> AW should have some original content
Jul 31 16:22:02 <g00s> maybe like book reviews, ^^^
Jul 31 16:22:13 <g00s> scraping reddit top only goes so far
Jul 31 16:22:36 <g00s> written by the author of runkeeper
Jul 31 16:29:53 <g00s> thepoosh im am pissed ... using AS 2.1 stable IR has been somewhat unusable for months now ? they fix bugs in far out AS preview ...
Jul 31 16:30:14 <g00s> completely undisciplined
Jul 31 16:31:00 <g00s> who knows when 2.2 will finally land. i hate when you have a choice of using stable buggy or preview buggy. its like, trump vs clinton, gonorrhea vs cholera
Jul 31 16:31:42 <BlackGold> 2.2 preview 6 on win10 is driving nuts
Jul 31 16:31:52 <BlackGold> *me nuts
Jul 31 16:32:10 <g00s> they usually do a series of RCs, so i'm going to guess its at least a few weeks out
Jul 31 16:32:22 <g00s> of course, they could break with habit too
Jul 31 16:37:13 <BlackGold> I'm probably going to have to step it back to a stable build and use the experimental ndk plugin again.
Jul 31 16:39:41 <Ashiren> aww
Jul 31 16:50:45 <purplex88> Is there a fragment onClick e.g. if you click or touch on the fragment?
Jul 31 16:56:29 <purplex88> ah i guess no i'd need to handle those on views inside fragment e.g. linear layout
Jul 31 16:56:59 <purplex88> fragment is nothing but just a piece of layout and views
Jul 31 16:57:59 <thepoosh> wut
Jul 31 17:03:42 <purplex88> thepoosh: i wanted to check which fragment was clicked so the right way to know i think would to handle onClick on e.g. LinearLayout inside it since "fragment" class itself doesn't provide such listeners.
Jul 31 17:06:28 <thepoosh> purplex88: you can implement a custom interface in the activity and attach it to the fragment in onAttach
Jul 31 17:06:36 <thepoosh> and then call it in the click events
Jul 31 17:06:56 <thepoosh> something like onClicked(String tag, Fragment frag)
Jul 31 17:07:14 <thepoosh> and then in the onClick call it with information about current fragment
Jul 31 17:10:01 <purplex88> Interesting i'll note it down for now until i become familar with to create "custom" stuff.
Jul 31 17:12:48 * raoul11 pooshes thepoosh's kipa's off
Jul 31 17:12:57 <thepoosh> HEY!
Jul 31 17:13:00 <thepoosh> F YOU!!!
Jul 31 17:13:04 <raoul11> sup gever
Jul 31 17:13:07 <DelphiWorld> hi everyone,
Jul 31 17:13:13 <thepoosh> DON'T INFRINGE ON MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
Jul 31 17:13:13 <DelphiWorld> i installed android studio latest today
Jul 31 17:13:23 <thepoosh> hi raoul11 ;)
Jul 31 17:13:25 <DelphiWorld> i want to build my project in cmdline, anyone?
Jul 31 17:13:25 <raoul11> congrats DelphiWorld
Jul 31 17:13:31 <thepoosh> DelphiWorld: good luck
Jul 31 17:13:37 <DelphiWorld> raoul11: thanks, begining to learn
Jul 31 17:13:42 <raoul11> why cmd
Jul 31 17:13:45 <raoul11> whats le point
Jul 31 17:14:00 <raoul11> thepoosh: u seen playtika?
Jul 31 17:14:09 <DelphiWorld> raoul11: Android studio use the "AWT" interface that's not accessible for screen reader's users
Jul 31 17:15:12 <thepoosh> playtika?
Jul 31 17:15:17 <thepoosh> what's that?
Jul 31 17:15:31 <raoul11> that fake gambling company
Jul 31 17:15:54 <raoul11> did a 4.4 bil dorrahs exit today
Jul 31 17:15:59 <raoul11> well, post exit exit
Jul 31 17:16:19 <thepoosh> oh
Jul 31 17:16:20 <thepoosh> yes
Jul 31 17:16:37 <raoul11> soon for you guise
Jul 31 17:16:43 <raoul11> exits for all
Jul 31 17:17:07 <thepoosh> raoul11: i am personally offended by this question: http://stackoverflow.com/q/38686486/1056359
Jul 31 17:17:12 <thepoosh> new thread in a loop
Jul 31 17:17:16 <thepoosh> omfg
Jul 31 17:18:04 <raoul11> lol
Jul 31 17:18:29 <raoul11> 17 threads
Jul 31 17:18:31 <raoul11> good job
Jul 31 17:18:46 <DelphiWorld> thepoosh: according to your name:
Jul 31 17:18:54 <DelphiWorld> google support only gcm for push right?
Jul 31 17:19:41 <DelphiWorld> what's fcm?
Jul 31 17:20:50 <raoul11> firebase https://firebase.google.com/docs/cloud-messaging/server
Jul 31 17:21:07 <DelphiWorld> no no no, firebase is google supported now?
Jul 31 17:21:21 <raoul11> why no, its awesome
Jul 31 17:21:23 <Ashiren> firebase is new gcm
Jul 31 17:21:35 <Ashiren> its more than gcm.
Jul 31 17:21:38 <raoul11> firebase makes life better
Jul 31 17:21:55 <DelphiWorld> Ashiren, raoul11 thank you guys
Jul 31 17:23:11 <DelphiWorld> so firebase is google or what
Jul 31 17:23:15 <DelphiWorld> it was a standalone project
Jul 31 17:24:56 <raoul11> its google
Jul 31 17:25:25 <joco42> has anyone here experience with realm ?
Jul 31 17:26:02 <joco42> i am trying to set up the examples : https://github.com/realm/realm-java/tree/master/examples
Jul 31 17:26:06 <g00s> thepoosh this is scary. books i've looked at on amazon are showing up in Play Books 'Recommended for you'
Jul 31 17:26:21 <g00s> despite, i never buy / browse anything from Play books
Jul 31 17:26:23 <raoul11> cookies g00s
Jul 31 17:26:44 <g00s> or even on the same device (amazon - desktop, Play Books - N7 )
Jul 31 17:26:56 <g00s> and 1 is on vpn, the other not
Jul 31 17:27:02 <raoul11> interesting
Jul 31 17:27:04 <g00s> so we're not even sharing IPs
Jul 31 17:35:55 <DelphiWorld> raoul11: i see fcm support iOS, but it's not push notification right?
Jul 31 17:35:56 <semtexzv_> Hello, sorry for just coming here to ask a question, but is it possible for a user using custom ROM to remove LVL service ? from what I can gather, LVL service is part of play market application and I'm just binding and using it to communicate with google servers, is this right ?
Jul 31 17:35:58 <DelphiWorld> iOS have apn
Jul 31 17:36:21 <Ashiren> semtexzv_: sounds like a job for #android-root
Jul 31 17:36:34 <DelphiWorld> Ashiren: you beated me on that lol, was writing for him
Jul 31 17:36:52 <semtexzv_> k, thanks for pointing me in a right direction
Jul 31 17:37:22 <thepoosh> g00s: that's what utm are all about
Jul 31 17:57:39 <Disar> We recently got an email that some of our aps are working with an older version of google play services. version 7 is the minimum. Then it's pointed out that google play services in recent versions get auto updated so there is no need to update the apks that are already using higher versions.
Jul 31 17:57:57 <Disar> But it's not clear about which version they are talking about. Does this only count for versions 9+ or starting from 7?
Jul 31 18:04:03 <g00s> Disar you generally want to use latest, or latest - 1
Jul 31 18:04:22 <Disar> g00s: the thing is we have a lot of apks to update
Jul 31 18:04:23 <g00s> now i think thats 9.2.x
Jul 31 18:04:46 <g00s> Disar .. yup
Jul 31 18:04:52 <Disar> We are planning on updating to 9.2
Jul 31 18:05:11 <g00s> i would plan ahead, from 9.0 and up they added a lot of firebase stuff
Jul 31 18:05:12 <Disar> but the email received wasn't clear on whether we need 9.2 or that 7 or 8.4 would suffice
Jul 31 18:05:19 <g00s> i've had problems with it, i don't think its fully baked
Jul 31 18:05:35 <Disar> I guess there is firebase as well
Jul 31 18:05:51 <g00s> Disar yeah thats a problem, i'm using 8.4 atm but didn't see any emails yet ...
Jul 31 18:06:13 <Disar> 6.4 will no longer be supported
Jul 31 18:06:17 <g00s> all i did was change my gradle file from 8.x to 9.x and shit broke at runtime, so i went back to 8.x
Jul 31 18:06:18 <Disar> so 7 and up is the way to go
Jul 31 18:06:43 <g00s> if you are in a pinch, i'd do the latest 8.x and then plan on spending time to get the 9.x firebase stuff wokring
Jul 31 18:06:58 <g00s> i think even 7 is pretty old
Jul 31 18:07:03 <Disar> but they mentioned that they could do something server side so we don't have to update our APK's in the future.But it's not clear from which version
Jul 31 18:07:07 <g00s> you'll be in the same position pretty quickly
Jul 31 18:07:18 <Disar> Well most of them are using 6 ~ 7
Jul 31 18:07:25 <Disar> only our recent ones are using 8.4
Jul 31 18:23:21 <purplex88> is it necessary to set android:clickable="true" on layout to make it accept onclick event? Mine's working even without setting it
Jul 31 18:38:38 <purplex88> lol i set android:clickable=false and onClickerListener for layout is still working.
Jul 31 18:41:06 <SimonVT> Setting a click listener sets clickable to true
Jul 31 18:42:54 <dontknow> any android app developer here?
Jul 31 18:44:12 <SimonVT> That's what the topic says the channel is for
Jul 31 18:44:27 <dontknow> why don't you guys include privacy policy in google play?
Jul 31 18:47:20 <purplex88> SimonVT: so that only works for XML onClick?
Jul 31 18:47:42 <raoul11> why are assuming that dontknow ?
Jul 31 18:48:00 <pfn> don't ever use xml onClick
Jul 31 18:48:13 <dontknow> raoul11, i don't see any privacy policy and license of apps in google play
Jul 31 18:48:26 <raoul11> why pfn?
Jul 31 18:51:16 <dontknow> why don't you add license like "gpl, apache"
Jul 31 18:53:59 <dontknow> devs. are you here?
Jul 31 18:54:08 <purplex88> raoul11: because it doesn't work with fragments
Jul 31 18:54:35 <raoul11> what?
Jul 31 18:57:59 <SimonVT> dontknow: If you believe certain apps violates googles developer distribution agreement, various policies or even the law you can report them in the Play Store.
Jul 31 18:59:20 <SimonVT> This is not the right place to complain about those things
Jul 31 18:59:54 <dontknow> SimonVT, i don't know about that. i just want privacy policy of apps that have internet connection. what they send etc..
Jul 31 19:01:06 <SimonVT> What you want and what is required might not be the same
Jul 31 19:03:06 <dontknow> i also want them to tell license of app
Jul 31 19:03:52 <SimonVT> What you want and what is required might not be the same
Jul 31 19:04:18 <SimonVT> Anyway, whether certain apps violates <whatever> is really off topic for this channel
Jul 31 19:04:44 <raoul11> i think he's interested in finding a template that fits his app
Jul 31 19:05:23 <knob> Hello everyone.  In the latest Android Studio, where can I download additional APIs?   I selected API24 at some point, and now I want to try API23... yet can't seem to find where to do it.
Jul 31 19:06:03 <SimonVT> knob: Tools > Android > SDK Manager
Jul 31 19:06:25 <knob> SimonVT, NICE!  Thank you! :)
Jul 31 19:06:44 <knob> I am eager to start creating a simple app!  =)
Jul 31 19:32:37 <Fyber> I have a listview with cards in it, and all the cards have a dark overlay on top of them, how do I fix that?
Jul 31 19:32:58 <Fyber> It's like the background color isn't white, but if I display each card separately (not in listview) it is white
Jul 31 19:53:44 <Fyber> Here is how I am using the card/listviews -> http://hastebin.com/uyinumadiv.xml
Jul 31 19:55:35 <Ashiren> listview and card? what a blashemy. why not recyclerview
Jul 31 19:56:08 <Ashiren> the to most linearlayout is not needed, you can use CardView as root
Jul 31 20:08:40 <Fyber> I don't know the difference between the two
Jul 31 20:10:28 <Fyber> I removed the surrounding linearlayout, didn't fix anything though.
Jul 31 20:10:47 <spreadsheet> hello
Jul 31 20:10:54 <Fyber> hi
Jul 31 20:11:25 <spreadsheet> so I'm thinking of making an app, the user would be able to keep track of the restaurants they've been to recently
Jul 31 20:11:34 <spreadsheet> like a personal log kind of thing; then they could visualize the data
Jul 31 20:11:40 <spreadsheet> it's more for learning purposes than anything else
Jul 31 20:12:08 <spreadsheet> however, before doing that, I am trying to make a really simple CRUD app for making contacts locally
Jul 31 20:12:32 <spreadsheet> and by contacts, I just mean a firstname, lastname pair; there would be a listview to display these contacts
Jul 31 20:12:40 <spreadsheet> so I have that already
Jul 31 20:12:53 <spreadsheet> however, right now I'm using an sqlite DB to store the contacts and it's pretty annoying
Jul 31 20:13:03 <spreadsheet> I'm wondering if that's the best way to go about it
Jul 31 20:13:20 <Ashiren> do you use any dao? i.e. ormlite
Jul 31 20:13:33 <spreadsheet> b/c I don't like having to construct queries
Jul 31 20:13:36 <spreadsheet> no
Jul 31 20:13:41 <spreadsheet> Ashiren
Jul 31 20:13:46 <spreadsheet> I'll check that out
Jul 31 20:14:06 <Fyber> I'm switching to recyclerview, but recyclerview doesn't have setadapter
Jul 31 20:14:12 <Fyber> How do I dynamically add cards then?
Jul 31 20:14:20 <Ashiren> Fyber: can you give screenshot how it looks like
Jul 31 20:15:12 <spreadsheet> should I need a "contentprovider"? the conditions they give make it seem like it's for more complicated uses
Jul 31 20:16:22 <Ashiren> ormlite might be a bit outdated. the point with most dao is that instead of constructing queries is using annotations and with saving/loading it will automagically do stuff for you
Jul 31 20:16:43 <spreadsheet> that sounds a bit too much
Jul 31 20:16:44 <Ashiren> also you could consider realm.io, though it requires a different philosophy than sqite
Jul 31 20:16:52 <spreadsheet> yeah I'm looking at alternative now
Jul 31 20:17:02 <Fyber> http://i.imgur.com/sMC6UqO.png
Jul 31 20:17:08 <spreadsheet> alternatives*
Jul 31 20:17:40 <Fyber> Each card looks fine though, white background
Jul 31 20:17:48 <Fyber> I think switching to recyclerview may fix it
Jul 31 20:18:17 <Ashiren> Fyber: have you tried changing cardview background color, as well the relativelayout's as well?
Jul 31 20:19:12 <Fyber> Not yet, I'm going to try recyclerview
Jul 31 20:23:34 <Fyber> I can't do this anymore with recyclerview? > http://hastebin.com/dovorasaja.avrasm
Jul 31 20:24:14 <Ashiren> it requires different adapter
Jul 31 20:24:27 <Ashiren> it requires quite rewriting stuff you did for listView
Jul 31 20:31:09 <Fyber> What benefits does this provide?
Jul 31 20:31:17 <Fyber> Does it even matter if I only have 10 items
Jul 31 20:32:45 <Ashiren> wel the recyclerview is newer. it replaces not only listview, but gridview as well. all the tutorials ive seen about CardViews used recyclerview
Jul 31 20:34:22 <Fyber> I set a background color and it works now
Jul 31 20:34:36 <Fyber> It looks like you have to manually implement dynamically adding cards so
Jul 31 20:34:47 <Fyber> With listview I can just adapter.add
Jul 31 20:34:56 <Fyber> really not worth it if I have very few items
Jul 31 20:47:57 <joel_> Anyone using run_systrace.py from catapult to grab systrace data? It has some serious issues with using adb from the $PATH
Jul 31 20:48:32 <joel_> Switches to using the adb in devil/ and then switches back to the one in $PATH causing adb server to be killed/restarted
Jul 31 20:53:51 <drose379> Is it ok if I register 1 broadcastreceiver to two different intent actions?
Jul 31 21:10:20 <duboisj> I read advice to monetize by a hybrid of in-app purchaes and also advertisements, with one advantage being that many users outside the US / Europe will have limited access to payment mechanisms so cannot use in-app purchases.
Jul 31 21:11:03 <duboisj> Is there a good way to make features which are “paid” for US / European users available for free to users in certain locales?
Jul 31 23:15:25 <fels> hi all - sorry to nag on this - but still can't figure out what I"m doing with surface view and my video is still stretched ;(
Jul 31 23:30:44 <NotACreepAtAll> hello
Jul 31 23:31:16 <NotACreepAtAll> anyone alive in here
Jul 31 23:44:55 <fels> yep
Jul 31 23:55:22 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys! Does anybody know why MediaPlayer.prepare() might fail (and block UI thread) when trying to prepare playing a remote file? This is the error: java.io.IOException: Prepare failed.: status=0x1
Jul 31 23:56:16 <AlexBerdnikov> Very descriptive error, to be honest :)
Aug 01 01:01:44 <g00s> cool https://gradle.org/blog/new-gradle-android-ebook-free/
Aug 01 01:06:24 <drose379> Thanks g00s
Aug 01 01:07:05 <g00s> ;)
Aug 01 01:07:22 <g00s> i think all ebooks on packt publishing are $10 until Aug 7
Aug 01 01:07:36 <g00s> pretty hit or miss but they have some good ones on machine learning ollien
Aug 01 01:07:46 <g00s> oops, where did ologn go
Aug 01 01:07:49 <g00s> sorry ollien :D
Aug 01 01:32:13 <deathcamel57> does anyone know the nougat branch?
Aug 01 01:32:19 <deathcamel57> https://source.android.com/source/build-numbers.html doesn't show it as a listing
Aug 01 02:14:35 <Leeds> deathcamel57: er, I don't think it's been published yet, has it?
Aug 01 02:36:30 <droid2> when fastboot format is used what format does it create for the partition is it ext4 , ntfs ,...etc?
Aug 01 02:55:06 <wyrdtrtle> i would guess it would depend on the argument you gave it
Aug 01 02:55:50 <wyrdtrtle> i didnt even know that was a valid fastboot cmd
Aug 01 02:57:09 <wyrdtrtle>  format[:[<fs type>][:[<size>]] <partition>
Aug 01 02:57:36 <droid2> partiton is the name of the mount point  like system ,  cache ,...etc going by what i see
Aug 01 02:57:54 <wyrdtrtle> yes
Aug 01 02:57:55 <droid2>   format <partition>                       format a flash partition
Aug 01 02:58:22 <droid2> i don't see it have an option for this fs type or sizes
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