**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:58 2016 Aug 30 03:01:10 "winegoddess"... sound like the name of a drunkard Aug 30 03:03:51 read the topic Aug 30 03:06:12 anyone have thoughts as to what might be happening with the linking here ... http://pastebin.com/WrDdyweW Aug 30 03:08:45 pepperoni, where's the -l Aug 30 03:08:46 whatitis: sorry. I wrote it only because the user quitted. So technically it's not name-calling. Aug 30 03:08:59 pepperoni, linking basics Aug 30 03:09:15 pfn: its set in LOCAL_STATIC_LIBRARIES Aug 30 03:09:33 at least from what i understood from the docs Aug 30 03:09:45 if it weren't found, there would be a 'file not found' type of error Aug 30 03:13:53 lol from aosp sources : The initial sync operation will take an hour or more to complete. Aug 30 03:13:57 or more ... Aug 30 03:14:02 or much much more .... Aug 30 03:15:50 pfn: are you saying that adding it to LOCAL_STATIC_LIBRARIES is wrong? Aug 30 03:16:37 dunno don't remember the syntax Aug 30 03:18:00 iirc, that's only for libs that are currently building Aug 30 03:19:10 when adding -l to LDLIBS, line 13 here seems to say not to ... http://pastebin.com/W0tVzBka Aug 30 03:19:33 so thats why i put it in LOCAL_STATIC_LIBS Aug 30 03:19:44 I'm interested in getting into android dev. How much of android is java? I.e. in what cases is it necessary to compile your own ROM vs develop a replacement app. Aug 30 03:27:43 Jiggunjer_: a replacement app for what? Aug 30 03:28:22 anything, the UI, settings, screen saver Aug 30 03:29:38 i don't know why but gradle started to give build errors , out of no where, http://pastebin.com/PcuVCRE9 Aug 30 03:29:46 Jiggunjer_: I guess you are confused. This channel is for development of android app. Usually apps that does something new, not replacement for existing apps. This channel is not about the development of the Android platform itself. Aug 30 03:30:25 hi all, any advice, created a new poject api 21, in all cases, but cant test on simulator or device. thanks Aug 30 03:31:52 oh, I was just wondering where the border was that Java app development covers. So if I wanted to change the settings choices that is platform development? Aug 30 03:32:56 jak2000: what's the difference with your previous question? Aug 30 03:33:25 arancio the previou question have error the project Aug 30 03:33:35 now havent error but cant test my app Aug 30 03:34:33 Jiggunjer_: compiling your own ROM is some kind of platform development. App development is... development of any application. Aug 30 03:35:13 yes, but *when* do you decide you need to edit the source, instead of developing an application to add that functionality. Aug 30 03:35:24 jak2000: define "can't test my app" Aug 30 03:35:38 What are the limits of what an app can add or replace Aug 30 03:36:43 arancio i hit RUN button and choose nexus 7 emulator,,, and i dont see the app run on my emulatr or put a icon on the emulator for test... Aug 30 03:36:47 same as on my cellphone Aug 30 03:37:19 Jiggunjer_: when it's easier or necessary to do so in order to add that functionality. Android is an operative system. When you are above the layer of abstraction of the OS, you do application development. Below is platform development. Aug 30 03:37:49 jak2000: check for error messages. there must be some, somewhere Aug 30 03:39:19 can you give an example Aug 30 03:39:25 Jiggunjer_: just learn what Android does and you'll have an answer. It's a broad topic. That is the way to find an answer to your question if you really are interested. Aug 30 03:39:55 Jiggunjer_: a device driver is matter of operative system. adjusting the way processes are scheduled is matter of operative system. Aug 30 03:40:19 Jiggunjer_: learn what's an operative system Aug 30 03:40:55 you look like someone bored more than someone genuinely interested Aug 30 03:41:11 why do you think so? Aug 30 03:41:31 bye Aug 30 03:41:38 most of what I know is self-taught on the web Aug 30 03:42:01 it's not the most efficient way to learn Aug 30 03:43:23 no, people who want to learn also read a book or two Aug 30 03:43:29 I have Aug 30 03:43:37 I know about operating systems Aug 30 03:43:51 then you know the answer and are just wasting time Aug 30 03:44:08 no, I wanted specific examples, because android is not like normal linux Aug 30 03:44:37 you are on my ignore list Aug 30 03:44:43 It uses apps for most of userland functionality, I just don't know if it is 100% Aug 30 03:44:57 what a dick Aug 30 03:54:52 http://pastebin.com/hLW7jgCB line 73 with error Aug 30 03:54:56 see arancio? Aug 30 03:56:58 jak2000: so you have an error? Aug 30 03:57:24 I can't help you with that error. Sorry. Maybe someone else can Aug 30 03:58:09 yes need download the jdk for java 8 Aug 30 04:00:02 i think Aug 30 04:15:44 anyone know how to get ndk-build to display the linker line when compiling? Aug 30 04:15:53 pepperoni: -v? Aug 30 04:15:54 I think? Aug 30 04:16:46 Oh, wait, -n Aug 30 04:16:54 Which doesn’t execute the build, just prints the commands it would execute. Aug 30 04:16:58 pepperoni: ^ Aug 30 04:18:57 yeah, for a second i thought it was building Aug 30 04:19:20 i can't get the thing to link Aug 30 04:20:04 Welcome to the NDK! Aug 30 04:20:11 Where things change randomly for no apparent reason! Aug 30 04:20:48 i'm using the crystax ndk for now Aug 30 04:20:53 * dr_infernoo waves Aug 30 04:21:54 Hi, i downloaded the sample from https://developer.android.com/training/implementing-navigation/nav-drawer.html Aug 30 04:22:07 It is saying private ActionBarDrawerToggle mDrawerToggle; is deprecated though Aug 30 04:22:20 and crashes when it hits getActionBar() in the code, when i run the app Aug 30 04:22:24 what do I need to change? Aug 30 04:24:00 i don't see any linker lines when compiling, that's what I'm trying to see ... http://pastebin.com/WrDdyweW Aug 30 04:24:38 ir7466, this is a little guide on the new NavigationView: http://antonioleiva.com/navigation-view/ Aug 30 04:25:13 i actually use this library, though: https://github.com/mikepenz/MaterialDrawer Aug 30 04:25:13 thanks Aug 30 04:25:36 you're welcome :) Aug 30 04:29:14 i did : repo init -u https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest -b android-7.0.0_r1 ,,, Aug 30 04:29:50 but repo says d0a0ae3..21e0701 master -> aosp/master Aug 30 04:29:57 did i do something wrong ? Aug 30 04:30:06 want to check out 7.0.0_r1 files Aug 30 04:34:28 * g00s hates repo Aug 30 04:38:35 gotta ask specific channel, asking here is useless Aug 30 04:40:14 pepperoni: did you check the method signature ? Aug 30 04:40:34 maybe you have one & or * too much/missing Aug 30 04:46:37 If I'm going to use a GoogleApiClient in an Application, how am going to implement its callbacks if they're Activity-specific? Aug 30 04:47:25 ha, in the activity Aug 30 04:47:33 kinda sucks Aug 30 04:48:03 i don't know about all the apis, but ones i looked at require activity contects Aug 30 04:48:19 which ... i deplore, google being paternalistic Aug 30 04:49:30 g00s: so I can't? Aug 30 04:49:45 can't what ? Aug 30 04:50:12 has to be Activity Aug 30 04:50:12 g00s: implement it in an Activity while also having callbacks for each Activity? Aug 30 04:50:42 *implement it in an Application (need my coffee) Aug 30 04:52:58 Maybe I could make a Runnable that checks if the GoogleApiClient is connected at a 1s interval? Aug 30 04:58:34 I have fragment A and B, and FAB icon to switch between them, when i switch fast via FAB, it crashes due to null context for the sharedpref in fragment B; any work around? Aug 30 05:22:48 kevin_808: can't you check if context is NULL before switching ? Aug 30 05:23:36 somehow due fast switching, context is not captured and comes as null, but for the methods to work, it requires a context Aug 30 05:23:52 i tried to use getApplicationContext() but wasnt available Aug 30 05:43:58 anyone know about writing custom/compound views? Aug 30 05:48:47 drinfernoo: yes Aug 30 05:49:03 hehe Aug 30 05:49:09 what do you want to know? Aug 30 05:50:45 im trying to extend LinearLayout, but im having trouble getting it to actually show any of the views ive declared in the layout im inflating into it Aug 30 05:53:19 ive gotten my inflater from context.getSystemService(Context.LAYOUT_INFLATER_SERVICE) and ive set the height and width to MATCH_PARENT using a LinearLayout.LayoutParams, and set the proper orientation Aug 30 05:53:45 all programatically, since i guess i cant do it in the root merge tag Aug 30 05:54:08 LayoutInflator.from(context).inflate(R.layout.foo, this); // inflate the layout into this view (LinearLayout subclass) Aug 30 05:54:32 If your R.layout.foo contains another layout with a set height and subviews, it should work just fine Aug 30 05:54:57 Maybe your "parent" parameter in .inflate(, ) is null? Aug 30 05:55:21 If you use merge, yes, you'll have to set height to MATCH_PARENT programatically Aug 30 05:55:36 (and width, orientation) Aug 30 05:56:18 LayoutInflator.from(context) is just a shortcut for ((LayoutInflator)context.getSystemService(Context.LAYOUT_INFLATOR_SERVICE)) Aug 30 05:56:22 i figured out part of it, actually Aug 30 05:56:30 What was it? Aug 30 05:56:45 im using it in a viewpager, and i wasnt adding the view to the container in instantiateitem Aug 30 05:56:58 thats one thing, and now its sort of working Aug 30 05:58:28 however, in my layout i have a RadioGroup, and in onFinishInflate, im adding RadioButtons to that RadioGroup, and they arent showing up now lol Aug 30 06:00:18 do i need to invalidate the view after that maybe? Aug 30 06:00:27 no Aug 30 06:01:19 If you're programatically instantiating your view, you're not going to even get an onFinishInflate. You should probably just add the buttons during construction Aug 30 06:01:37 Or better yet, put them in the xml Aug 30 06:01:41 ok, lets try that Aug 30 06:01:53 need to add them dynamically, or i would lol Aug 30 06:01:58 k Aug 30 06:02:19 yea, if its dynamic, add them during init, or better yet, through some kind of setter Aug 30 06:02:29 or even better, through some kind of adapter Aug 30 06:02:41 boom, that did it Aug 30 06:02:52 but, the init/setter paradigm should be fine for small amounts of buttons Aug 30 06:02:54 nice. Aug 30 06:03:18 yeah, shouldnt be more than a handful, hopefully lol Aug 30 06:03:32 cool, im getting the hang of this i hope Aug 30 06:04:02 Sounds like you are, man woohooo Aug 30 06:06:14 i totally appreciate your enthusiasm :) lol Aug 30 06:06:28 first time trying to write custom views lol Aug 30 06:30:25 explodes, you still around? Aug 30 06:45:44 I'm gonna firebomb Google's offices if they don't respond to my ticket soon X_X Aug 30 06:46:15 wait Aug 30 06:49:45 Mariu: I paid 25$ for their service, I shouldn't wait up 2 business days! Aug 30 06:50:33 that's a hefty sum of money right there! Aug 30 06:50:44 sorry :] Aug 30 06:52:28 VerbalKint: what is your problem Aug 30 06:52:47 Marlinski: damn right. I could've bought ~15 bottles of Coca Cola with that kind of money! Aug 30 06:53:17 squ: my Google Game Service is tied to an invalid Google API key and is making the service invalid Aug 30 06:53:19 I've received Captain Obvious answer from google support Aug 30 06:53:25 don't expect much from them Aug 30 06:54:06 squ: I can't unlink the damn key even if it's deleted X_X Aug 30 06:54:15 hehehe :) Aug 30 06:54:44 squ: StackOverflow and Google support says that I should contact them, so this is what I'm doing Aug 30 06:55:00 good luck Aug 30 06:55:01 ;) Aug 30 06:56:23 squ: I shouldn't need luck for this X_X Aug 30 06:56:32 you think so :) Aug 30 06:57:01 But meh, I'm mostly joking. I'm not really pissed off. :D Aug 30 07:09:16 I have 2 API keys. One for debug and one for release, but I'm seeing that one of them has 2 missing chars at the end of the SHA1 and they're not equal when I load them on the google console. Aug 30 07:10:01 Is this normal? Aug 30 07:11:19 *Oauth key Aug 30 07:11:48 ))) Aug 30 07:13:01 squ: Russian? :D Aug 30 07:26:08 New mystery situation: how can I determine if my user is Romanian or not because some of my users might have the default language set to English and I don't want them to view the English content? Aug 30 07:28:04 if they chose the english, let them suffer with english Aug 30 07:28:59 Ashiren: but they wouldn't actually understand most of the English content Aug 30 07:29:32 so why choose english in the first place Aug 30 07:30:11 Ashiren: because they can understand most of Android's English stuff Aug 30 07:30:50 I doubt that most of my users would be sophistricated and eclovent enough to understand complox English stuff Aug 30 07:32:44 They're all philistrines Aug 30 07:34:50 is this romanian-specific app? so dont provide english version :v Aug 30 07:35:03 i doubt you can "detect if user is romanian" Aug 30 07:35:25 Ashiren: was thinking of checking for the carrier, but I don't want to add that permission Aug 30 07:35:34 maybe location Aug 30 07:35:41 but thats another permission Aug 30 07:37:28 Gah, will have to add a language option Aug 30 07:40:35 VerbalKint: why not add an activity at startup to display which language preference ? Aug 30 07:40:50 Marlinski: this is what I'll do Aug 30 07:41:10 it's a good idea Aug 30 08:10:18 Can I delete a Games Service project? Aug 30 08:10:43 Or am I supposed to just make another one? Aug 30 08:13:49 Why the hell am I forced to create achievements? X_X Aug 30 08:19:50 i just create 5 dummy achievements Aug 30 08:19:51 VerbalKint: So you can get a little badge? :-) Aug 30 08:20:12 although im not sure if google likes that and wont make any trouble Aug 30 08:22:05 lol, I wonder you could sell leaderboard scores to certain dumbasses Aug 30 08:22:08 *if you could Aug 30 08:23:41 Like some weirdos that really want to have high scores on an app Aug 30 08:24:10 setting up a new pc, but now intellij ultimate is complaining about "please specify android sdk" even though the device manager launches and the project has a valid sdk defined Aug 30 08:24:24 anyone have an idea? Aug 30 08:26:19 specify it? Aug 30 08:26:22 what else? Aug 30 08:26:23 And then an in-app purchase removes the paid listings from the leaderboard. :-) Aug 30 08:27:13 squ: but it is configured Aug 30 08:27:26 env variable is set, sdk is defined, everything is as it should be Aug 30 08:27:37 gradle builds fine outside ide Aug 30 08:28:02 oh my Aug 30 08:28:09 "Please specify Android SDK" is the most useless error message too. Aug 30 08:28:12 just specify the fucking sdk for the ide Aug 30 08:28:18 i did! Aug 30 08:28:24 okey Aug 30 08:28:57 https://s.yawk.at/VJAd Aug 30 08:29:23 what the hell Aug 30 08:30:26 my best guess is that the sdk is somehow half-defined. but i have no idea whats missing and the error is far from helpful Aug 30 08:30:40 maybe you specified it incorrectly Aug 30 08:30:54 how about downloading android studio? Aug 30 08:31:22 that wouldnt exactly fix my intellij would it Aug 30 08:31:31 right, yep Aug 30 08:31:51 yawkat: tried resetting your ~/.AndroidStudio2.1? Aug 30 08:32:02 I mean deleting it Aug 30 08:32:15 Note: you'll all settings Aug 30 08:32:38 yea, not gonna do that, but let me look if i can find some android plugin settings to delete. Aug 30 08:33:00 yawkat: back it up and see if a new installation works? Aug 30 08:34:47 ah. i deleted the .idea of the project, imported the gradle project without adding the android facet and now it's importing. Aug 30 08:35:07 what is the .idea for? Aug 30 08:35:23 it's the intellij project configuration directory. Aug 30 08:35:49 it goes into each project directory? Aug 30 08:37:40 yea it works now. what an odd issue. Aug 30 08:44:37 I forget everytime that Canvas.drawText draws above the point you specify... Aug 30 08:51:04 hithere - I am trying to create build variants free, pro but running app (Shift+f10) in AS does only first variant free-debug. pro-debug is missing. http://pastebin.com/g38fsqLF Aug 30 08:51:35 I have probably overlooked something in gradle settings Aug 30 08:52:15 Goddamn finally! I managed to fix the Games Service. Aug 30 08:58:30 according to http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/user-guide#TOC-Product-flavors by running App I should have free-debug and pro-debug Aug 30 09:00:13 by generating Signed APK - it creates both release variants - it gives me the choice to do so Aug 30 09:00:50 Would you guys recommend using proguard-android-optimize.txt? Will it break stuff? Aug 30 09:06:38 Hello, anyone using Android Studio could tell me the shortcut to go on the last page seen ? I was using "Alt + Left Arrow" on Eclipse, but on ANdroid Studio, it just open the closest tab Aug 30 09:06:48 is it understandable ? :) Aug 30 09:06:56 ctrl-tab? Aug 30 09:07:35 yawkat: yeaaaah !! :) thanks Aug 30 09:18:47 in the layout preview, is it possibile to see the whole layout? I have a scrollview and I can't see it full Aug 30 09:26:13 hm - when I want to instantiate an object at application start, how do I do this ? Aug 30 09:29:00 in your Application object Aug 30 09:29:33 ok and how ? Aug 30 09:29:45 ok - command line gradle ("gradlew assemble") creates all build variants set in gradle config Aug 30 09:29:48 because in my application, I dont see an application object. Aug 30 09:30:02 there is nothing implementing or extending application Aug 30 09:30:24 I really need exactly this: instantiate a variable in the application object Aug 30 09:30:26 it seems to me that android studio ignores those flavors - is it possible? How can I overcome it? Aug 30 09:30:26 if you want to extend, you need to do it yourself Aug 30 09:30:33 create class that extends Application Aug 30 09:30:40 and override its onCreate() Aug 30 09:30:51 its called when application starts, before Activity starts Aug 30 09:31:01 or service or broadcastreceiver Aug 30 09:31:09 if its not already started Aug 30 09:31:18 then you provide the class in AndroidManifest Aug 30 09:31:21 i.e. http://www.devahead.com/blog/2011/06/extending-the-android-application-class-and-dealing-with-singleton/ Aug 30 09:32:16 hey , I am trying to add action , when app is about to exit , but how will i know the app is exiting, as evrything is added in addtoBackStack Aug 30 09:33:34 actually there is no way to tell when your app "exits". closing all activities doesnt exit your app Aug 30 09:34:02 youd need to somehow track manually if all activities are closed Aug 30 09:34:15 but technically that doesnt mean your app exited Aug 30 09:36:01 hm thanks Aug 30 09:42:42 Should I load AdRequest in my application? Aug 30 09:46:03 I mean in the global Application class Aug 30 10:33:32 i have an old samsung galaxy xcover, which has gingerbread, but i want to update the OS to something newer, how do i do it? Aug 30 10:34:01 is it even possible? Aug 30 10:34:26 in genymotion, what´s the typical way of accessing the host systems IP ? 192.168. … ? Aug 30 10:36:04 blippyJon: this is question more for #android-root Aug 30 10:36:35 blippyJon: you can check if there is cyanogenmod rom with newer android for this device Aug 30 10:36:43 ok sorry, i tried here because nobody answered me on android-root Aug 30 10:36:54 ok Aug 30 10:37:37 I swear to god, I can't even force gradle to cancel an operation Aug 30 10:37:52 How can this be used by Google?! Aug 30 10:38:47 oh got it : 10.0.3.2 is the ip Aug 30 10:39:22 Gradle is a joke gone too far Aug 30 10:40:00 VerbalKint: why Aug 30 10:40:16 tilerendering: it just sucks Aug 30 10:40:26 At least in my opinion Aug 30 10:40:40 hi Aug 30 10:40:40 i have a mobile phone with android and with no sd card, and when i try to download whatsup i get an error saying not unable to download it because there is no sd card. how can i download it to internal mobile phone memory? Aug 30 10:49:45 if i'm implementing tablayout, which support libraries do i need to import? Aug 30 10:51:46 If I wanted to make a simple little reminder app that basically looks up each reminder from a file and checks if the time >= the current reminder it's checking, is it best to use a service for this? Aug 30 10:52:08 JuliusN: The design lib for the tablayout, and probably support v4 for the viewpager Aug 30 10:53:46 is it a good idea to use a smartphone which only has gingerbread to develop apps? Aug 30 10:53:53 blippyJon: no Aug 30 10:53:57 throw it in the bin Aug 30 10:53:57 ok Aug 30 10:54:01 why? Aug 30 10:54:07 I'm joking Aug 30 10:54:14 you really should be targetting 4.3 and above Aug 30 10:54:18 ok Aug 30 10:54:20 some would argue even higher Aug 30 10:54:26 Depends on your market though Aug 30 10:54:31 ok Aug 30 10:54:50 I think gingerbread is still popular in India, though someone here would know better than I would Aug 30 10:55:16 yea well im not in india so, i better get a newer cellphone Aug 30 10:56:16 i have a mobile phone with android and with no sd card, and when i try to download whatsup i get an error saying not unable to download it because there is no sd card. how can i download it to internal mobile phone memory? Aug 30 10:58:03 what's the syntax for adding support libraries in the gradle file? i feel like i'm asking questions that should be covered by the developer documentation, but can't find anything in here https://developer.android.com/topic/libraries/support-library/setup.html Aug 30 10:58:56 compile 'com.android.support:design:24.1.1' in the dependencies block of your app's build.gradle Aug 30 10:58:57 the documentation only gives an example Aug 30 10:59:45 what determines the dependency value? i'm especially confused by the numbers at the end of the string Aug 30 11:00:04 It's the version number of the dependency Aug 30 11:00:30 So in case of my example it will include the 24.1.1 version of the design support library Aug 30 11:00:35 is there some connection between the version number and the deployment target Aug 30 11:03:02 i mean, how do i know which version to choose Aug 30 11:10:37 i have a mobile phone with android and with no sd card, and when i try to download whatsup i get an error saying not unable to download it because there is no sd card. how can i download it to internal mobile phone memory? Aug 30 11:10:59 I believe this is done in the settings Aug 30 11:11:20 Hi. my phone does not have NFC, what is the usual workflow with it? With an App using QR for something it's like this: open any qr-reader app -> Scan QR -> link to my website with extra arguments for the actual identification if the app is installed -> redirect to playstore -> install app -> scan QR code again -> extract url arguments instead of opening a browser -> profit. Aug 30 11:11:35 Are there universial NFC reading apps? Or does it even work without any app open? Aug 30 11:11:57 Marlinski: where? Aug 30 11:12:21 VonBlume: please use #android for help with your device, this channel is for app dev Aug 30 11:14:39 should the first integer of the library version number be the same as target sdk version? Aug 30 11:14:56 The NFCDEF at least has a URI definition. hm Aug 30 11:17:09 JuliusN: Yes, the versioning strategy of the support library is that your compile sdk should be >= the first integer. Other than that you select your version like any other dependency Aug 30 11:17:50 i don't know how to select the version Aug 30 11:19:29 Get the latest, then test before upgrading Aug 30 11:22:36 i tried to look for the latest installed versions in the sdk manager, but couldn't find anything pointing to 'v7' or 'v4' Aug 30 11:23:55 All support libraries are in the support repository Aug 30 11:31:03 I'm not sure if there's a better room, I'm looking for an IRC room for the android emulator development group? Aug 30 11:43:27 Maybe the adt-dev mailing list? We don't develop emulators, we just use them :) Aug 30 11:43:45 so if i have support repository version 36 installed, how do i figure which v4 and v7 library versions to import? Aug 30 11:44:27 Your previous link has a list of all the support libraries, as well as a revision history Aug 30 11:45:59 i'm working around a bug in android that was introduced in Marshmallow, but fixed in 6.0.1 . Now I need to determine whether or not i'm running a version before 6.0.1 . How? I can check Build.VERSION.RELEASE but apparently sometimes it is "6.0" and sometimes it is "6.0.0" What is the proper way to determine this? Aug 30 11:47:07 SimonVT: so does the support repository automatically include the latest version? Aug 30 11:47:53 It's a maven repository, it includes all versions Aug 30 11:48:05 ok, that helps Aug 30 11:57:12 is everybody here slowly moving to slack? Aug 30 11:57:27 what's the difference between 'android support library' and 'android support repository' Aug 30 12:02:06 ventura, I haven't understood slack completely yet. Are there public channels for android-dev or something? Aug 30 12:02:09 Trying to take a screenshot but I get "remove failed: EACCES Permission Denied" , which I find strange given the fact that the method checks for permissions before beginning. http://pastebin.com/s4QgsTgs Aug 30 12:02:15 ventura, I thought it was just for internals Aug 30 12:04:57 anotheryou: first time I saw slack I thought “it is a IRC copycat”. but fore some reason, people are using… maybe vogue Aug 30 12:06:07 ventura, it's a bit sexier end therefore fine for internal communication. (you can send a file easily, some fancy stuff like remindes and group permissions) Aug 30 12:06:35 ventura, we switched because we used skype before and that skype p2p is a mess, messages get lost etc... Aug 30 12:09:09 anotheryou: agreed. for companies its a better option Aug 30 12:09:53 people here are using a lot the clean architecture pattern described by fernando cejas Aug 30 12:10:11 he implements its own thread pool instead of using intent service Aug 30 12:10:50 doesn’t it overflow the OS? because if three apps follow the same pattern, there will be three independent work queues Aug 30 12:16:11 i'm trying to read through android's support library documentation, but i just can't find any reference to correct version-specific library targets Aug 30 12:19:49 revision history doesn't tell me that Aug 30 12:22:43 what are the correct library paths to v4, v7 and design for sdk v23? Aug 30 12:23:51 JuliusN: http://androidxref.com/ Aug 30 12:24:24 you can choose the SDK version and search inside it Aug 30 12:25:43 i can only see os versions Aug 30 12:27:55 are the sdk's listed somewhere in there? Aug 30 12:36:35 can I change shape solid color programmatically? Aug 30 12:42:21 gdrc, ShapeDrawable? Aug 30 12:42:28 thanks. found it. Aug 30 12:42:34 I should google more, sorry Aug 30 12:42:37 :p Aug 30 13:09:15 Can proguard + its default optimization protect my app from tampering? Aug 30 13:10:53 Is it possible to set the max length of characters in an EditText to the actual width of the field? Aug 30 13:11:04 Can someone take my app, change stuff like admob IDs in it and repost it on Google Play? Aug 30 13:11:25 I mean, how hard is this? Aug 30 13:14:25 apps are signed Aug 30 13:14:47 decompiling is possible but that is why you use things like proguard Aug 30 13:14:52 I would not worry about it Aug 30 13:15:13 tx: thanks Aug 30 13:17:17 tx: it does seem that the ad units aren't in the decompiled resources Aug 30 13:17:46 Darn it. Spoke too soon. Aug 30 13:18:14 Why Google Play is called "Play" if only a part of the application listed there are games? Aug 30 13:18:31 arancio: you can play with apps Aug 30 13:19:26 I have created app named "SettingsTestxy"(android:label in AndroidManifest.xml). Project directory is named "SettingsTest2" I have 2 ProductFlavors free & pro - http://pastebin.com/g38fsqLF. each flavour has it's own manifest in "SettingsTest2/app/src/free||pro" - http://pastebin.com/10RTFKai. In project view (alt+1) set to Android - only free manifest is accessible. By runnig app (shift+f10) only free version is installed. Aug 30 13:19:26 By running gradle from cmd "gradlew assemble" - it creates proper .apk in "app/build/outputs/apk". Both free & pro can be installed together only by "gradlew installFreeDebug installProDebug" from cmd. Aug 30 13:19:26 Installed free version accessed from device settings is named SettingsTest-free" for free ver. and "SettingsTest" for pro. Both app in device app list are named "SettingsTest". Aug 30 13:19:52 tx: You can play with cars too but car stores aren't called "play" Aug 30 13:20:16 well Aug 30 13:20:19 take it up with the president Aug 30 13:28:17 if the operating system does not limit the quantity of thread pools, what does happen if 10 apps create its own thread executor with 10 worker threads? Aug 30 13:33:16 Hi guys! So how many of you use Mortar for solving configuration changes realted issues like surviving network requests and handling the results? Is it worth learning so I could forget about this headless fragments hack? Aug 30 13:34:16 https://developer.android.com/studio/build/build-variants.html "You can change the build variant to whichever one you want to build and run—just go to Build > Select Build Variant.." - ok this solves one part of the problem Aug 30 13:36:30 ventura: if all threads of all apps effects pure computations without any blocking operation, all of them will work very slowly. That's what would happen. Aug 30 13:37:04 ventura: please read "if all threads of all apps perform" etc. Aug 30 13:37:17 arancio: thx Aug 30 13:38:12 arancio: in my head, implementing a thread pool manually in android does not make sence. the OS should manage it Aug 30 13:38:48 ventura: if the perform network operations, for example, it's still possible that most of them will be sleeping most of the time, like when you have lots of downloads active in a browser Aug 30 13:38:54 they Aug 30 13:40:40 yes, but still i would use AsyncTask.THREAD_POOL_EXECUTOR Aug 30 13:40:42 ventura: manually implementing a thread pool rarely makes sense in any platform because most certainly the platform developed were hired as platform developers because they know how to manage a thread pool better than you Aug 30 13:40:56 platform developers Aug 30 13:41:01 arancio++ Aug 30 13:41:27 no! i should make my own thread pool because i know better my app Aug 30 13:42:07 I don't know Android's pool but often thread pools can be customized with parameters. Aug 30 13:42:25 arancio: intentservice has one worker thread Aug 30 13:42:45 THREAD_POOL_EXECUTOR can execute up to 5 threads Aug 30 13:43:26 but if you need more than this at the same app, probably you are doing something weird Aug 30 13:43:33 at the same time Aug 30 13:44:17 Ashiren: your application probably falls into one of a few categories of applications as far as threading is concerned. Platform developers know about your applications (threading-wise) before you write it. 99.9% of the times, I mean. Aug 30 13:44:42 There can be exceptions to everything Aug 30 13:48:58 exacly Aug 30 13:51:12 Are you suggesting that every app out there should limit themselves to 5 threads, because that's what google decided for THREAD_POOL_EXECUTOR ? Aug 30 13:51:50 no, i would simply consume thread_pool_executor for data parallelism Aug 30 13:51:57 @SimonVT Aug 30 13:52:20 if i need something that is CPU intensive, probably i would write in C and use the GPU Aug 30 13:52:20 For what tasks? Aug 30 13:53:09 orignal context: a lot of people are implementing thread pool inside the app for running use cases Aug 30 13:53:09 Remember AsyncTask, and thus THREAD_POOL_EXECUTOR , is not meant for long running tasks Aug 30 13:53:52 if 5 apps has its own executor with 5 threads, we would have 25 workes (yes, i know they would be idle most of time) Aug 30 13:53:59 Well, of course, you wouldn't want network tasks and ui tasks (e.g. loading data from a local cache) running on the same thread pool Aug 30 13:54:16 THREAD_POOL_EXECUTOR is not shared between apps, that's already the situation Aug 30 13:58:01 really? i thought it was a static attribute in AsyncTask that required synchronized access Aug 30 13:59:10 Each app run in their own process and vm Aug 30 14:00:01 5 threads wouldn't even remotely be enough for the hundreds of apps users have on their devices Aug 30 14:00:05 It's not even enough for 1 app Aug 30 14:05:13 hello. Aug 30 14:08:04 no, i am not questioning about the thread quantity Aug 30 14:08:17 only the app create the executor instead of using the one provided by the SO Aug 30 14:08:43 i wonder if the SO would not manage better the garbage collector, for example Aug 30 14:09:10 or does not allow create a pool that is too big Aug 30 14:09:14 What do you mean? Aug 30 14:11:29 i have some oldish code (grabbed directly from api 24 platform internals) which used to run fine as instrument tests ... haven't run them in a while, but not from gradle 'gradle connectedCheck' gives me : Aug 30 14:11:32 No tests found. This usually means that your test classes are not in the form that your test runner expects (e.g. don't inherit from TestCase or lack @Test annotations). Aug 30 14:12:01 so, the test runner is not being initialized correctly. anybody know where to set that, for old junit 3 stuff - not using the support libs Aug 30 14:12:22