**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 03 02:59:59 2016 Sep 03 03:21:51 Arancio, yeah it's about 68° lol Sep 03 03:38:28 so whats up? Sep 03 03:41:23 I'm creating some CRUD activities for my application Sep 03 03:41:50 How do I get the Holo theme for an AppCompatActivity? Sep 03 03:42:27 I have to use @style/Theme.AppCompat.Light.NoActionBar but it's different from the normal theme that I see. Sep 03 03:43:46 The action bar is gray instead of blue Sep 03 03:50:14 why use holo? Sep 03 03:53:55 isn't the default theme on API 23? Sep 03 03:54:02 its easy enough to use material Sep 03 03:54:11 what's the default theme? I just want to remove the action bar Sep 03 03:54:19 um hold on Sep 03 03:54:54 I can't use Theme.Material.NoActionBar. I get an exception Sep 03 03:55:03 it might be Theme.Material.Light.NoActionBar Sep 03 03:55:16 I need to use Theme.AppCompat.Something.NoActionBar Sep 03 03:55:29 there may not be one with NoActionBar, but all you do is not add a Toolbar to your view hierarchy Sep 03 03:55:56 AppCompatActivity doeanAppCompatActivity doesnt have a default toolbar Sep 03 03:56:01 jeez that was bad Sep 03 03:56:11 just take out that crazy middle word Sep 03 03:56:16 :) Sep 03 03:57:01 I don't understand what you mean with "all you do is not add a Toolbar to your view hierarchy". I'm not adding a toolbar. I just get the default action bar with my app title Sep 03 03:58:07 use Theme.Material, and you shouldnt have an actionbar/toolbar Sep 03 03:58:09 i do believe Sep 03 03:59:21 dr_infernoo: I specifically have to use a theme descending from Theme.AppCompat <----- Sep 03 03:59:23 i actually use the themes from https://github.com/mikepenz/Materialize Sep 03 03:59:33 dr_infernoo: otherwise I get an exception Sep 03 04:00:27 yeah sorry, forgot about appcompay Sep 03 04:00:29 t Sep 03 04:00:46 use Theme.AppCompat, and you wont have an actionbar/toolbar by defauly Sep 03 04:00:47 t Sep 03 04:00:53 damn mobile keyboard lol Sep 03 04:02:00 with AppCompatActivity, you actually have to add the Toolbar in your layout file, and call setSupportActionBar(*your toolbar*) if you want one Sep 03 04:02:25 whats your minSdk? Sep 03 04:04:19 min 16, target 24 Sep 03 04:05:23 yeah that should work Sep 03 04:05:43 iirc appcompat is compatible down to minSdk 7 Sep 03 04:06:00 certainly to 16 Sep 03 04:06:39 yes, Android Studio creates AppCompat activities by default. It's not my idea Sep 03 04:06:59 you should be using them by now anyways Sep 03 04:07:07 easiest way to have maximum compatibility Sep 03 04:09:53 what's your application about, if I may ask (and if I didn't ask already)? Sep 03 04:10:41 i don't have anything published yet, but I'm working on a tabletop rpg character sheet creation and organization app Sep 03 04:11:06 ive been on coding hiatus for a few months, and im just starting to get back into the hang of it Sep 03 04:11:40 you create the character and the print the result for playing? Sep 03 04:11:44 then Sep 03 04:12:09 (I never played role-playing games in my whole life) Sep 03 04:12:48 i plan on being able to export to other popular character sheet software, but ideally my users would be able to use the app instead of a traditional character sheet Sep 03 04:12:58 less erasing that way lol Sep 03 04:13:06 sure ok Sep 03 04:13:12 good idea Sep 03 04:13:20 hopefully Sep 03 04:13:34 if nothing else, itll be a good "case study" Sep 03 04:15:02 yours? Sep 03 04:19:02 sorry for the delay Sep 03 04:19:54 it's supposed to be an application for assisting me during rhythmic gymnastics training Sep 03 04:23:14 what would that entail? Sep 03 04:23:25 ive never done rhythmic gymnastics in my life lol Sep 03 04:25:16 drinfernoo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl6MchwS4jQ Sep 03 04:31:12 Arancio, https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=TCjKy5aKGsk Sep 03 04:31:23 no offense, just first thing that came to mind lol Sep 03 04:35:19 Arancio, the component you mentioned above is called a Floating Action Menu (not sure if you found it already but just in case) Sep 03 04:35:21 drinfernoo: the rhythmic gymnastics video reminded you of the Ex-men video? Sep 03 04:35:33 i think it was the staff lol Sep 03 04:35:35 There are several open source libraries that can help you implement the same Sep 03 04:36:03 did you mention a Floating Action Menu? Sep 03 04:36:11 :-) Sep 03 04:36:34 I guess sudshekhar is referring to a discussion that happened earlier today Sep 03 04:36:39 sudshekhar: thanks Sep 03 04:36:41 It was being talked about above ... saw it while skimming the discussion Sep 03 04:36:48 Arancio, no problem! Sep 03 04:38:02 oh gotcha, mustve been before i got on Sep 03 04:38:36 i wish there was a simple way to implement that FAM using the support library's FAB Sep 03 04:40:35 it seems like its become a common enough pattern in a lot of apps now Sep 03 05:12:00 ugh, wifi and bluetooth on my 5x has flaked out Sep 03 05:12:13 no wonder I blew through my data plan... Sep 03 05:13:57 pfn: what does "wifi and bluetooth has flaked out"? Sep 03 05:14:01 mean Sep 03 05:15:00 means they stopped working Sep 03 05:33:47 sounds like a somewhat common problem on LG phones Sep 03 05:34:03 exacerbated in my case by being dunked in water Sep 03 05:34:31 I have the same device Sep 03 05:35:13 do I have to expect the same problem, then? Sep 03 05:35:17 no Sep 03 05:35:35 random. defect, turned up. by also being dropped in water Sep 03 05:38:30 ok. Thanks Sep 03 06:15:39 the Component interface seems a bit redundant in Dagger2 Sep 03 06:16:37 I guess i'm not completely understanding it's purpose Sep 03 06:18:50 Are Scopes a direct reason for having separate Components? Sep 03 06:23:47 anyone around that could help me with a gradle problem? Sep 03 06:25:24 VerbalKint: I missed the context of your comment. Sep 03 06:26:26 jjuran_: his comment is so old that he may be as well dead by now Sep 03 06:26:28 jjuran_: oh, I messaged you instead of someone else Sep 03 06:26:36 https://parkerhiggins.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/reimplementanapi.png Sep 03 06:26:45 Arancio: buongiorno Sep 03 06:26:46 Possibly relevant: http://www.v68k.org/macos/ Sep 03 06:27:12 VerbalKint: good to see you aren't dead Sep 03 06:27:14 :D Sep 03 08:07:34 hi everyone Sep 03 08:07:50 we have a problem with android google map Sep 03 08:08:26 it's ok while debugging but whenever we upload the apk to the google play and install the app on phone Sep 03 08:08:37 it's just blank white screent with google logo Sep 03 08:09:00 i've two keys for debugging and also in manifest for release Sep 03 08:09:07 what'd be the case? Sep 03 08:09:26 screen* Sep 03 09:40:04 can anybody give me a good (preferrably visual/diagram) link explaning application states/events + their link to activity states/events + the stack of activities ? Sep 03 10:28:05 could someone help with me probably something very simple in regards to xmlpullparser Sep 03 10:38:32 this is my code and rss feed, i’m trying to get into my item tag which is in my channel tag but am not getting into it, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/QcdPMssJ Sep 03 11:01:54 Test Sep 03 11:02:59 Hi! I recently updated my app to use Android Support Library 24.2.0 and there was a bug in this update. I decided to find sources for this library and look at the diff between 24.1.1 and 24.2.0. I found them at https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support but latest commit there is dated by July 1 and there are no tags that looks like Android Support Library versions. I also created SO question http://stackoverfl Sep 03 11:03:00 ow.com/q/39271969/746347 Sep 03 11:03:09 http://stackoverflow.com/q/39271969/746347 Sep 03 11:23:29 Hi, guys. I want to talk about android runtime. Android 7 has art with jit + aot. I have one question. Why android 7 (aot + jit) is more faster, then android 6 (just aot)? Sep 03 11:28:18 where did you read it is more faster? Sep 03 11:29:34 "In Android 7.0, we've added a Just in Time (JIT) compiler with code profiling to ART, which lets it constantly improve the performance of Android apps as they run. The JIT compiler complements ART's current Ahead of Time (AOT) compiler and helps improve runtime performance, save storage space, and speed up app updates and system updates." Sep 03 11:29:48 (c) https://developer.android.com/about/versions/nougat/android-7.0.html Sep 03 11:30:12 and you really believe that? Sep 03 11:30:37 every year they say they improve gradle performances. is that true? Sep 03 11:30:56 So, google pay millions dollars to developers to develop new runtime cuz what? To downgrade performance Sep 03 11:31:44 I don't know about gradle performance, this tool looks good for me. Sep 03 11:35:30 As I understood they made AOT "smart" so after upgrading to Android 7.0 there will not be dialog like "Optimising applications 1 of 123" that took minutes in Android 5 and 6. Sep 03 11:36:23 And only actively used parts of application are compiled to native code. Sep 03 11:36:41 nickname234: who talked about worse performances? I didn't say that. Sep 03 11:37:35 Actually performance may get worse. Sep 03 11:38:04 Because on Android 5 and 6 every application was fully compiled to native code. Sep 03 11:38:05 michael_ledin: seriously? That's it? This feature saves a couple of minutes of the very rare factory resets? Sep 03 11:39:15 Yeah, michael_ledin says exactly my minds. Sep 03 11:39:36 If we can fully compile application, how it will be more slow Sep 03 11:40:49 I understand, that new ART will collect profile statistic and compile only hot paths. But why this way is more faster Sep 03 11:44:58 I think that it makes sense. On top devices you will not notice difference in performance, but on cheap devices with low memory new AOT+JIT will work better because of smaller amount of memory that's needed to run DEX comparing to native code. Sep 03 11:45:44 I think that there is a memory vs CPU trade off. Sep 03 11:47:48 Oh, it sounds legit. Sep 03 13:18:27 Jesus Christ, the language that I configured changes back to default if I change the orientation Sep 03 13:20:01 It's not enough that I have to deal with View sizes manually so that my activity doesn't restart, but I also have to handle language as well X_X Sep 03 13:29:14 VerbalKint: your doing it wrong Sep 03 13:29:34 Napalm: can you point me the way to doing it right? Sep 03 13:29:53 you have added configChanges to your manifest? Sep 03 13:31:54 VerbalKint: ^ Sep 03 13:33:08 Napalm: locale? no Sep 03 13:33:22 no other things Sep 03 13:33:48 Napalm: have keyboardHidden for this particular activity Sep 03 13:34:11 But really, I don't need it Sep 03 13:35:08 so why are you dealing with configuration changes? and handling the view sizes manually on orientation? Sep 03 13:35:55 VerbalKint Sep 03 13:35:57 Napalm: because I don't want to restart the activity Sep 03 13:36:21 right, but your saying your configChanges doesnt contain anything for that Sep 03 13:36:41 Napalm: for this activity Sep 03 13:36:50 :| Sep 03 13:36:58 ok how about you explain your problem Sep 03 13:37:10 because your not making any sense to me Sep 03 13:37:47 Napalm: https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/activity-element.html Sep 03 13:38:15 why you pointing me to that? Sep 03 13:38:36 Napalm: if you look at the configChanges, it specifies that it's per activity. The one that I'm testing this one changes the language on orientation change despite having no configChanges. Sep 03 13:42:35 can you explain how you are testing this Sep 03 13:43:10 Napalm: nevermind as I'm solving this on my own. :D Sep 03 13:43:20 fine, but i think its a bug in the support library Sep 03 13:43:40 i just need to know how you are detecting the language change Sep 03 13:44:04 Napalm: I'm just rotating my screen, how else would I test it? Sep 03 13:44:28 i mean, do you realize its changed because its loading a different language strings from your xml? Sep 03 13:44:52 are you changing the language from the system settings? Sep 03 13:45:52 Napalm: ? No Sep 03 13:46:22 VerbalKint: so how do you know the language changes on orientation? Sep 03 13:46:42 Napalm: because I'm rotating my tablet? Sep 03 13:46:51 omg Sep 03 13:47:02 how do you detect the language has changed Sep 03 13:47:18 Napalm: by reading the text Sep 03 13:47:23 different language text is being displayed right? Sep 03 13:47:25 great Sep 03 13:47:30 so thats coming from your resources xml? Sep 03 13:47:34 Napalm: yeah Sep 03 13:47:46 ok we are getting somewhere Sep 03 13:47:58 Napalm: lol Sep 03 13:48:14 ok in your onDestory() Log the result of getChangingConfigurations() Sep 03 13:48:20 Napalm: I thought that me rotating the tablet and reading the text in the other language was implied :P Sep 03 13:48:45 Napalm: ok, doing it right now Sep 03 13:49:07 VerbalKint: is this on N? Sep 03 13:49:18 Napalm: no, it's 4.1 iirc Sep 03 13:51:38 Napalm: it gave the ID of 1152 Sep 03 13:51:53 VerbalKint: in onCreate also Log getResources().getConfiguration().locale Sep 03 13:53:51 Napalm: gives me the correct, default locale Sep 03 13:54:01 before and after rotation? Sep 03 13:54:29 Napalm: after the rotation, I get the wrong locale Sep 03 13:54:46 what are the values you get from the above log for both Sep 03 13:55:08 Napalm: default: en, rotated: ro_RO Sep 03 13:56:04 Napalm: both give 1152 in destroy Sep 03 13:58:23 hey guys Sep 03 13:58:24 Napalm: wait a minute, think that I nailed the problem Sep 03 13:58:31 got an interesting problem Sep 03 13:58:45 VerbalKint: I'm interested to know what it is Sep 03 13:58:53 Napalm: neah, false alarm Sep 03 13:59:05 Napalm: situation's still fubar Sep 03 13:59:14 I have a viewpager which hosts 4 fragments, each fragment has a grid of pictures, now I want these grids to have a MultiChoiceModeListener Sep 03 13:59:52 problem is, setting a `new` one for each of the grids inside each of the fragments causes the listener to be..well, new for each one, causing the toolbar title to reset its count whenever a new picture from a new grid is selected Sep 03 14:00:12 so it *is* multi-choice, but per fragment, I want it to be ubiquitous for all 4 fragments Sep 03 14:00:17 the same multichoicemodelistener Sep 03 14:00:20 VerbalKint: i have to go, sorry, but i would suggest you create a new project with the same compileSdk version and support library versions and see if you can replicate without any other code that might cause your problem and see what happens Sep 03 14:00:39 Napalm|afk: thanks for trying, though Sep 03 14:01:53 I can pass the same multichoicemodelistener to all fragments, but the creation of that listener can't happen without a corresponding gridview for it to be attached to, therefore again attaching it anew, for each fragment.. Sep 03 14:24:01 I need to keep some part of my application state persistent. in which of these events of the android application class should I perform persisting ? onLowMemory, onTrimMemory, - anything else ? Sep 03 14:24:56 is there something like onPause ? onPassivate ? Sep 03 14:27:31 meh, stupid final fantasy game has me hooked Sep 03 14:28:11 which one? Sep 03 14:33:19 Hi , i have to get realtime updates in my android app , i'm thinking of using socket.io is good or can you suggest better alternative , Thank you Sep 03 14:34:44 Ugh, fixed the bug with a hack. I'm going to Coder's Hell when I die for these hacks. Sep 03 14:35:08 VerbalKint: There is no such thing as coder's hell Sep 03 14:35:36 VerbalKint: everything is good if its for you and makes your thing work :D Sep 03 14:37:32 boodllebat, how do you plan on using socket.io in android? WebView? Sep 03 14:37:42 boodllebat: yeah, I know, but I still would like to make things work the right way Sep 03 14:37:53 Mann: no you have a socket.io client Sep 03 14:38:11 Mann: but i already wrote if you know anything better can you tell me ? Sep 03 14:38:32 I'm actually in a similar boat as you so I was just curious Sep 03 14:39:24 Mann: ah Sep 03 14:41:08 hi guys, I am having some problems with my app Sep 03 14:42:05 can anyone help me debug it please? It is really simple Sep 03 14:43:28 Swyper: you need to check for a null pointer at line 73 Sep 03 14:44:10 Mann, brave exvius Sep 03 14:44:42 http://pastebin.com/hCgQ5V2b Sep 03 14:44:57 the error is cannot find symbol activity_main Sep 03 14:45:04 but my xml file is named activity_main .. Sep 03 14:45:15 http://pastebin.com/Jf8teP1u - xml file Sep 03 14:45:19 pfn, thanks. looks good Sep 03 14:46:37 Swyper: pastebin the actual error Sep 03 14:46:56 Error:(24, 32) error: cannot find symbol variable activity_main Error:(38, 65) error: cannot find symbol variable quantity_text_view Sep 03 14:47:13 if it finds activity_main it will find quantity_text_view Sep 03 14:48:05 pfn: can you help ? my question is above ? Sep 03 14:48:16 Mann: what do you think about xmpp ? Sep 03 14:49:23 Leeds: did I post everything you wanted ? Sep 03 14:49:44 boodllebat, Looks interesting. Haven't worked with it before. Sep 03 14:49:46 Mann, I want to try mobius too Sep 03 14:50:15 Swyper: what are you building with? Sep 03 14:50:17 Mann: so how far are you now ? what will you use anything in mind ? Sep 03 14:50:26 Leeds: android studio Sep 03 14:52:04 Swyper, can you verify your activity_main.xml is under resources/layout/activity_main.xml ? Sep 03 14:52:38 https://gyazo.com/865fefc206d9df78c194d85ff9c565d2 Sep 03 14:52:40 screenshot Sep 03 14:52:41 yes it is Sep 03 14:54:50 boodllebat, haven't really started yet. Was still wondering how to approach it. Sep 03 14:54:58 What's your application? Chat? Sep 03 14:55:03 Mann: no Sep 03 14:55:43 Swyper, strange... Sep 03 14:56:05 Swyper: You imported the wrong R class Sep 03 14:57:11 SimonVT: what am I supposed to import? Sep 03 14:57:23 Your apps R Sep 03 14:57:59 Mann: its something related to location , i have to feed GPS cods from mobile to my custom hardware Sep 03 14:59:33 ah Sep 03 15:00:14 SimonVT: thank you very much! Sep 03 15:02:17 Mann: People are going for websockets a lot , but i wanted to know from community what are they using these days Sep 03 15:05:00 use the solution that solves your problem, not what everyone is using Sep 03 15:06:39 during one uptime cycle of the android OS on the device, can I count on this ? : my application object and all the variables I stored in it wont be lost Sep 03 15:10:34 no Sep 03 15:11:05 where should I persist application state if needed ? at activity-onstop level ? Sep 03 15:11:14 yes Sep 03 15:11:27 Or when the state changes Sep 03 15:11:41 which state change ? Sep 03 15:11:52 The state you want to persist Sep 03 15:12:44 I would store in the application object, persist on onstop of an activity, reload from persistence on onresume of an activity Sep 03 15:13:29 differs from j2me however. where that sort of thing was recommended to do at the corresponding app level events Sep 03 15:14:01 why did android choose to do this at activity level rather than at application level ? Sep 03 15:14:50 What'd android choose? Sep 03 15:15:03 Android doesn't care when you persist data Sep 03 15:15:04 I suspect Android has a far more complex application structure and lifestyle than j2me, generally Sep 03 15:15:32 ok Sep 03 15:15:52 does onpause get called when chaining to another activity ? Sep 03 15:16:44 or is onpause effectively only called when an activity is in the foreground and the OS needs to pause it Sep 03 15:16:54 foreground/active Sep 03 15:18:17 It's called when the activity is no longer in the foreground Sep 03 15:18:19 https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle Sep 03 15:19:04 thanks Sep 03 15:19:15 j2me is a garbage platform, entirely Sep 03 15:19:23 so the app passivation is really signalled to the developer at activity level, alright Sep 03 15:20:13 pfn: well - it was ok at its time Sep 03 15:20:20 and it was there way before android Sep 03 15:20:34 no, it was garbage during its time Sep 03 15:22:05 Does it mean something if I can't find my app on google despite searching for its *truly* unique name? Sep 03 15:28:04 pfn: I disagree, lwuit was great Sep 03 15:35:34 there's a reason there are no great and memorable j2me apps Sep 03 15:37:51 I wrote a j2me app once... then realised I wouldn't actually be able to package up enough data to make it worth shipping - it was an app for a large conference, and I needed to get the full conference schedule packaged Sep 03 15:38:24 anyhow - I dont particularly like the idea of persisting application state everytime onpause is called on any of my activities. as far as the diagram shows me, onpause is also called when an activity isnt visible anymore (so basically this would also happen when another activity comes into the foreground/visible) Sep 03 15:38:53 leeds: I wrote a j2me map component, hence my nick Sep 03 15:39:04 a sort of google maps clone, but with osm data Sep 03 15:39:22 persist application state when it changes Sep 03 15:39:25 problem solved Sep 03 15:39:30 ah, OSM... Sep 03 15:40:07 pfn: so it is true that “onPause” also gets called when another activity comes into the foreground inside the same application ? Sep 03 15:40:21 on pause is called constantly Sep 03 15:40:29 any time the activity loses focus Sep 03 15:40:51 pfn: persisting app state whenever it changes wont influence perceived latency in the UI ? Sep 03 15:40:59 I once took a train from Oxford to London with Steve Coast after we'd both spoken at a LUG event there - and my car had hit a speed bump and died... IIRC I was speaking on Palm app development Sep 03 15:41:43 palm app development was somewhat interesting and far superior to j2me Sep 03 15:42:13 tilerendering, do it correctly Sep 03 15:42:16 for sure Sep 03 15:42:22 pfn: what do you mean by correctly Sep 03 15:42:37 I've offered to give a talk at a conference next month on Pebble app dev :) Sep 03 15:42:45 tilerendering, asynchronously when necessary Sep 03 15:43:28 pfn: you mean with a sync thread running ? Sep 03 15:43:49 how you do it is an implementation detail Sep 03 15:43:58 pfn: maybe youve got a helpful link for me Sep 03 15:44:12 I guess there´s some best practice to it, and maybe even already libraries taking care Sep 03 15:44:19 read jcip, pick an approach Sep 03 15:45:00 jeez. no. I m not going to do concurrency programming for something as simple as that Sep 03 15:45:10 but thanks for the advice Sep 03 15:46:05 concurrency is simple Sep 03 15:47:11 programming for concurrency is an overkill imho just to solve a simple caching problem Sep 03 15:47:19 there are out of the box solutions for that Sep 03 15:50:59 how common is it to overwrite the view class? Sep 03 15:52:33 overwrite? extend? common Sep 03 15:53:30 tilerendering, false, and concurrency is a requirement for doing android well Sep 03 15:53:46 (and everything else, for that matter) Sep 03 16:07:26 pfn: well, sounds fun anyhow. I was going to write a datasync thread keeping a balance between memory, persistence, and serverstate Sep 03 16:10:01 pfn: what about this ? https://developer.android.com/training/sync-adapters/index.html Sep 03 16:10:25 it doesn't do much of anything Sep 03 16:19:03 pfn: I d spawn off such a thread a the applications oncreate event, and furthermore it would stay alive until the application dies, right ? what about passivation of the application ? would the thread still be there ? Sep 03 16:27:32 can view components be registered as observers ? Sep 03 16:27:40 I guess so Sep 03 16:32:04 What's a simple way to update the UI thread from a service class? Handler.Post() works fine for a Toast but what if I wanted to update the Activity layout like disabling a button? Sep 03 16:35:40 Mann, have your UI bind to the service and register a listener Sep 03 16:36:56 And perform a broadcast? Seems like such overkill. I'm simply trying to update myButton.Enabled = false after my service stops Sep 03 16:37:03 Hi all, why do we need to call: AudioManager.abandonAudioFocus(mOnAudioFocusChangeListener) inside the if (mMediaPlayer != null) { } Shall we put the abandonAudioFocus method outside of the if statement? I was considering that even mediaPlayer == NULL, we still need to abandon the audio focus. Is it right? here’s the link to the code: https://github.com/udacity/ud839_Miwok/blob/lesson-five/app/src/m Sep 03 16:42:00 What do you guys think about these "app review exchange" websites? Sep 03 16:42:43 Is it against Google Play ToS to have people "forcibly" review your app through them? Sep 03 16:46:12 VerbalKint: at gunpoint? Yes, definitely. Sep 03 16:46:44 Hi all! I'm trying to build android (I'm new to this) and I'm using the recommended Ubuntu 14.04. However, when I try to use make, it says that "make 4.1 is not compatible. make 3.81 is required to build android" Sep 03 16:47:10 abandonAudioFocus Sep 03 16:47:12 But i'm having no luck installing that version of make... How do you guys usually bypass this issue? Sep 03 16:52:56 Goddamn it, don't know how to market my app Sep 03 16:53:11 And I don't wanna spend any money either Sep 03 16:53:59 This kind of websites seem far from trustworthy to me Sep 03 16:54:46 Arancio: one specifically says that you need to rate it with 5 stars Sep 03 16:55:15 Actually, lots of them say this Sep 03 16:57:27 Sounds disingenuous... Sep 03 17:07:31 Is there really no forum where developers can review each others' apps? Sep 03 17:11:02 k, I've only got so far into the doc. But so far it seems that you define the GUI by pixels. But shouldn't you define text size etc by a relative size to the screan instead? Sep 03 17:14:00 VerbalKint: this one. You app sucks. Mine is better. Sep 03 17:14:16 VerbalKint: why are you interested in other developers reviewing your application? Sep 03 17:14:22 Man, I'm so regretting right now that I don't have friends to whom to spam to to install my app X_X Sep 03 17:14:27 Hey all, how can add programatically add a gridlayout that i have defined in xml to a linear layout that I have created in xml? Sep 03 17:14:35 *to a relativeLayout Sep 03 17:14:55 Arancio: not "review", "leave good reviews" Sep 03 17:14:58 VerbalKint: why do you care? people will download your application, not developers. Sep 03 17:15:01 Arancio: not all are so cynical as you :P Sep 03 17:15:33 as in, "you give me 5 stars, I give you 5 stars, we are both happy" Sep 03 17:15:35 Trying to do something like this: https://codedump.io/share/w28FwWuNP1Nx/1/dn Sep 03 17:16:02 I'm not cynical. I often have low blood sugar. Sep 03 17:18:15 I just need to find an ingenious way of making masked advertising Sep 03 17:18:21 VerbalKint: I'd spend less time marketing my app and more time thinking of how to take my app to the next level. Sep 03 17:19:20 VerbalKint: you could pick up girls at pubs and then, between one thing and another, ask them to download your app Sep 03 17:19:25 Arancio: I'm not planning to make Flappy Bird. I'll settle for 1000$/month. Sep 03 17:20:05 VerbalKint: although, given the target demographics of your app, you could have some legal problems with this marketing strategy Sep 03 17:20:39 Arancio: spike their drinks, get their phones, download the app, rate my app then run away. Marvelous idea. :P Sep 03 17:22:36 where - besides this channel - is a good place to ask for android best practices or architectural advice ? Sep 03 17:23:13 VerbalKint: "Emporer"? Sep 03 17:23:31 Arancio: darn you :P Sep 03 17:24:15 Arancio: but it does sound like it's written that way Sep 03 17:25:09 VerbalKint: darn me? I thought I deserved a "thanks" for finding another spelling error of yours Sep 03 17:25:23 Arancio: thanks :D Sep 03 17:25:38 Arancio: didn't mean for it to sound like that Sep 03 17:40:56 Um... any of you a moderator on /r/android? :D Sep 03 17:46:04 Can I have buttons with complex context in Android? For example a button containing a linear layout containing an image and a text view? Sep 03 17:48:17 Afaik no, buttons are not ViewGroups Sep 03 17:48:29 but you can make pretty much any View clickable Sep 03 17:48:47 ^ Sep 03 17:49:05 Button is just a TextView with a background Sep 03 17:49:15 Set the same background on whatever View and it'll look like a button Sep 03 17:55:48 Is it possible to make an action bar completely transparent? Sep 03 17:56:47 yes Sep 03 18:02:24 orbyt_, Leeds, SimonVT thanks Sep 03 18:02:46 how? if I set the background to android:color/transparent it still shows borders Sep 03 18:11:58 That's probably elevation, try setting that to 0 Sep 03 18:12:02 tete94: if your using a toolbar as an action bar, youll have things like the shadow youll need to get rid of. Sep 03 18:12:09 ^ ninjad Sep 03 18:12:17 plenty of SO questions on this though Sep 03 18:12:19 hm, any ideas on this ? http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/330116/android-persistence-and-synchronization-of-application-state Sep 03 18:13:33 tilerendering: you posted that in the wrong place Sep 03 18:13:37 use StackOverflow Sep 03 18:13:58 but to answer your question: Use a realm database and store the object there whenever you want Sep 03 18:19:42 it was the elevation, thanks! Sep 03 18:22:22 For my "create" part of the CRUD activities, I'm facing the problem to having enough data to create a row in my database before I actually create it. After that it's not "Create" anymore, it becomes "Update". I'm making a sequence of activities where you are forces do input data and make choices, when I have all the data that I need create the row and move to an "update" activity. Each of the "step" activities is terminated when I move to the next Sep 03 18:22:22 step so that if the user presses the "back" button, they go back to the activity where they pressed the "+" button. Is this a good approach? Sep 03 18:23:40 forces -> forced Sep 03 18:24:10 Should I use dialogs instead? I prefer these activities but I don't know what's more "Android". Sep 03 18:26:11 Should I keep all intermediate steps alive until I complete the creation and only then terminate them, so that the user can step back and change their choices? Sep 03 18:27:04 Should visualize all steps in a single activity using fragments? Changing fragments as I go? Sep 03 18:27:05 Say you're about to install something on your computer. It takes you through 10 pages during the install. If you press back on page 9, do you expect it to take you to page 1? Sep 03 18:27:29 Ok, so I should keep them alive. Sep 03 18:27:56 What's worst is that even if don't terminate them I can't be sure that Android doesn't (am I right?) Sep 03 18:28:23 So I probably should use only ONE activity and visualize all "steps" as fragments. Sep 03 18:28:32 Is this conclusion correct? Sep 03 18:28:32 Sure, the user might leave to take a call on page 10, and Android might kill your process during that call Sep 03 18:28:53 But you should restore all state when re-created Sep 03 18:30:28 SimonVT: why isnt android itself able to save an applications full state on passivation/termination ? it would be totally feasible to store it Sep 03 18:30:39 Android will restore your activities and pass saved state Sep 03 18:30:47 tilerendering: How large is "full state"? Sep 03 18:31:02 is state automatically saved then ? Sep 03 18:31:06 Is it a 200 MB bitmap cache? That might take a while to persist/restore Sep 03 18:31:08 Anyone familiar with the function setPermissionGrantState in DevicePolicyManager class? PM me if you are Sep 03 18:31:17 SimonVT: hm youre right with that Sep 03 18:32:02 Activities (and Fragments and Views) have onSaveInstanceState for saving a few variables (e.g. a bitmap url) Sep 03 18:32:38 Everything else you must persist/load.. Bitmaps, database queries, .. Sep 03 18:33:39 SimonVT: so I could do my persistence in onsaveinstancestate as well and override itwhile first calling super.onsavebla Sep 03 18:34:19 If that's when you want to persist your data Sep 03 18:34:26 Not sure why you're not just doing it as the data changes tho Sep 03 18:35:22 SimonVT: the whole point of having things in memory is to not constantly access slower storage Sep 03 18:35:24