**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 10 02:59:58 2016
Sep 10 03:03:37 <g00s> TacticalJoke not entirely the same, but here we have these noisy trains
Sep 10 03:03:42 <TacticalJoke> drinfernoo: Is it not working?  I'm also not worth asking, as I haven't thought about ViewPager in at least six months (excluding the current time).
Sep 10 03:04:12 <g00s> so i'm looking into putting together RPi + usb mic, some signal processing, to measure the frequency and loudness of the air horns
Sep 10 03:04:28 <g00s> maybe present it to the town council or something
Sep 10 03:04:49 <drinfernoo> TacticalJoke, whats weird is that it looks like its working correctly when i step through in debugger, but the actual views arent right
Sep 10 03:05:08 <TacticalJoke> g00s: One of my "trains" threatened to get her was-in-prison-for-attempted-murder father to hurt me.  It's pretty juicy drama.
Sep 10 03:05:12 <drinfernoo> it adds/removes the right views, but the right ones arent actually displayed in the viewpager
Sep 10 03:05:44 <g00s> TacticalJoke oh, thats more serious O.o
Sep 10 03:05:47 <drinfernoo> it works if theres only one option that has a branch, but not with multiples, it mixes up the pages of the different branches :/
Sep 10 03:07:15 <TacticalJoke> Trains would drive me mad if they were too close.
Sep 10 03:07:41 <g00s> actually about a mile away at least, with a hill between me and tracks ...
Sep 10 03:07:50 <g00s> i can't imagine what the closer people go through
Sep 10 03:08:14 <TacticalJoke> drinfernoo: Is there something wrong with the adapter?  (I have no idea.  That was rhetorical.)
Sep 10 03:08:37 <drinfernoo> idk? lol
Sep 10 03:09:19 <TacticalJoke> Oh, wait.  I can view the adapter without prompting you.
Sep 10 03:09:27 <TacticalJoke> This is GitHub.
Sep 10 03:09:41 <drinfernoo> lol
Sep 10 03:09:54 <drinfernoo> make sure its the values branch
Sep 10 03:29:15 <drinfernoo> well we got g00s back but not TacticalJoke lol
Sep 10 03:54:20 <dr_infernoo> damn internet
Sep 10 03:54:31 <dr_infernoo> i think I'm the only one here anyway lol
Sep 10 03:56:07 <parco> "This @Singleton component cannot depend on scoped components: @Singleton ..ApplicationComponent"
Sep 10 03:56:14 <parco> How does that make any sense?
Sep 10 05:18:10 <sn0wmonster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-hLgKPQQtY&t=2m42s
Sep 10 06:24:24 <eeeeee> greetings.
Sep 10 06:25:16 <eeeeee> When I start a new project, using the latest Android Studio, I get this line: public class MainActivity extends AppCompatActivity {
Sep 10 06:25:22 <eeeeee> why is it called AppCompatActivity, and where can I learn?
Sep 10 06:27:13 <parco> i guess what's worse about super long build times is the inability to stop them
Sep 10 06:27:58 <Ashiren> umm start with the basics
Sep 10 06:28:02 <parco> Having to end Studio's process, then clear all .lock files, then reboot. :/
Sep 10 06:28:10 <Ashiren> like https://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/index.html
Sep 10 06:31:36 <eeeeee> Ashiren thank you.
Sep 10 07:32:17 <raoul11> anyone knows how apps like whatsapp use color emojis on pre kitkat devices?
Sep 10 07:33:30 <Napalm> raoul11: they are ImageSpan's
Sep 10 07:33:55 <raoul11> oh, so its a not a font thingie?
Sep 10 07:34:05 <Napalm> no
Sep 10 07:35:38 <Napalm> well yes, its nothing to do with the font.
Sep 10 07:35:41 <raoul11> i tried using an emoji font (emojione) but its crashing on 4.3 right at .createFromAsset
Sep 10 07:35:59 <raoul11> works on 4.4 and onwards
Sep 10 07:36:03 <Napalm> yup, sounds about right, you should be using the alt png ones
Sep 10 07:36:06 <raoul11> must be a thing with colorful fonts
Sep 10 07:45:08 <SimonVT> Emoji fonts are also bad for performance
Sep 10 07:51:30 <VerbalKint> And for the intellect
Sep 10 07:53:52 <raoul11> SimonVT: id use the system fonts, cept it works only in black and white prior to kitkat
Sep 10 07:55:01 <raoul11> and i want to minSdk also jelly bean
Sep 10 08:15:52 <parco> it's quiet in here!
Sep 10 08:20:41 <VerbalKint> How come hdpi is used both for short and tall screens?
Sep 10 08:22:18 <VerbalKint> Oh great, it's because hdpi used to be smaller
Sep 10 08:22:30 <VerbalKint> Great design, google
Sep 10 08:23:40 <VerbalKint> Such innovative and forward-looking technology
Sep 10 08:26:26 <SimonVT> Uh, what?
Sep 10 08:26:33 <SimonVT> You know what pixel density is, right?
Sep 10 08:27:16 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: no idea, but the same drawable appears on two phones that have quite different screen sizes
Sep 10 08:27:28 <SimonVT> Right, look up what pixel density is
Sep 10 08:29:20 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: well, the point is what's to stop phone manufacturers from believing that their phones can handle bigger resolutions in order to sell people the idea of high definition? But oh wait, phones are getting more performant and apps more resource consuming, so the older generations, even though labeled hdpi, won't handle the newer generation drawables.
Sep 10 08:29:54 <VerbalKint> How am I going to differentiate the old from the new if they're both ambiguously named hdpi?
Sep 10 08:30:23 <SimonVT> hdpi means the device has roughly 240 pixels per inch
Sep 10 08:30:37 <SimonVT> You can't tell the screen size or resolution from that information alone
Sep 10 08:30:52 <SimonVT> That definition hasn't changed
Sep 10 08:31:14 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: and yet screen sizes and resource consumption has
Sep 10 08:31:25 <SimonVT> You can have a 4" screen that's hdpi, and a 100" screen that's hdpi. hdpi only tells you the pixel density
Sep 10 08:32:12 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: then how do I properly differentiate screen sizes on phones of small-to-medium sizes?
Sep 10 08:32:37 <SimonVT> sw<N>dp
Sep 10 08:33:18 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: already doing that, but the difference is in height, not width
Sep 10 08:33:37 <VerbalKint> *doing that for tablets
Sep 10 08:33:48 <SimonVT> h<N>dp (this differs with orientation as well)
Sep 10 08:34:38 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: oh well, I'll do that, but it seems finicky to me
Sep 10 08:34:57 <SimonVT> Why do you need to do that anyway? Usually you design your content area in a way where height doesn't really matter (e.g. weight, make scrollable, etc)
Sep 10 08:35:52 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: default drawable resolutions make the app crash on older phones
Sep 10 08:36:14 <SimonVT> What's "default drawable resolution" ?
Sep 10 08:36:20 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: undefined
Sep 10 08:36:26 <VerbalKint> /res/drawable
Sep 10 08:36:35 <SimonVT> That's -mdpi
Sep 10 08:38:50 <SimonVT> And still doesn't tell you anything about resolution
Sep 10 08:39:16 <VerbalKint> Meh, hdpi will just have to do with smaller UI drawable resolutions
Sep 10 08:39:54 <SimonVT> Drawables are scaled if they don't exist for the devices density
Sep 10 08:40:19 <SimonVT> So a 10x10px mdpi drawable will be scaled to 15x15px drawable on a hdpi device
Sep 10 08:40:30 <SimonVT> Unless you provide it in drawable-hdpi
Sep 10 08:40:42 <SimonVT> More pixels, more memory usage
Sep 10 08:42:05 <VerbalKint> SimonVT: yeah, I get it. Thanks.
Sep 10 08:51:58 <CipherZero> how can i learn android?
Sep 10 08:52:02 <CipherZero> programming?
Sep 10 08:52:29 <SimonVT> Familiarize yourself with java, then go to d.android.com
Sep 10 08:53:08 <CipherZero> there is a nice book? instead of official site?
Sep 10 08:56:18 <CipherZero> SimonVT:
Sep 10 09:18:43 <gordon_> CipherZero: fast
Sep 10 09:19:01 <CipherZero> fast? gordon_ what you mean?
Sep 10 09:19:58 <gordon_> you learn android programming fast
Sep 10 09:20:20 <CipherZero> yes
Sep 10 09:20:23 <CipherZero> i can
Sep 10 09:20:29 <gordon_> do it
Sep 10 09:21:48 <CipherZero> what?
Sep 10 09:21:59 <Leeds> learn fast or die trying
Sep 10 09:22:10 <CipherZero> die trying?
Sep 10 09:23:19 <VerbalKint> CipherZero: they were making jokes
Sep 10 09:29:06 <raoul11> thats a lie VerbalKint
Sep 10 09:29:11 <raoul11> devs cant make jokes.
Sep 10 09:30:32 <VerbalKint> raoul11: I made 4 euros with 3 clicks, lol
Sep 10 09:30:53 <raoul11> what you gonna buy with it
Sep 10 09:30:58 <raoul11> clicks or installs?
Sep 10 09:31:14 <VerbalKint> raoul11: ~4 bottles of Pepsi
Sep 10 09:31:40 <raoul11> you need to remove rust or something?
Sep 10 09:31:46 <VerbalKint> A pack of bubblegum if there's some change left. I'm pretty optimistic about that.
Sep 10 09:33:55 <raoul11> 4 euros for 3 clicks (not installs) seems pretty crazy
Sep 10 09:34:00 <VerbalKint> raoul11: I use it to dissolve the teeth of the bodies. The starved pigs at my pig farm can't eat bone.
Sep 10 09:34:43 <_genuser_> hello people
Sep 10 09:34:50 <raoul11> elo
Sep 10 09:34:54 <VerbalKint> raoul11: well, it reignited my dream of making something out of this app
Sep 10 09:35:31 <raoul11> money does tend to do that
Sep 10 09:35:49 <VerbalKint> raoul11: btw if you didn't get the reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NV00luZurw
Sep 10 09:36:35 <raoul11> the first thing i think when someone mentions pigs is snatch
Sep 10 09:36:58 <VerbalKint> :D
Sep 10 09:38:23 <VerbalKint> I wonder if pigs can really do that
Sep 10 09:51:47 <vol4ko> Is it normal that the byte[] array in the heap has more than 90MB ?
Sep 10 09:52:53 <SimonVT> Sure, Bitmaps are backed by byte arrays
Sep 10 09:54:11 <vol4ko> how can i identify what bitmaps?
Sep 10 09:54:20 <vol4ko> This is just not normal for me
Sep 10 09:54:23 <vol4ko> 90MB hell
Sep 10 09:56:33 <SimonVT> Not necessarily Bitmaps, but Bitmaps are one thing that uses a byte array
Sep 10 09:57:19 <parco> oh no, my trusty white micro usb has finally shit the bed
Sep 10 09:59:39 <SimonVT> I believe Android also tries to be smart and share system drawables between processes. That might also account for some of the reported memory usage
Sep 10 10:09:24 <Ywa> Quick question. Are there known issues with the item ordering on Android 4.4 and earlier?
Sep 10 10:09:32 <Ywa> Testing my app on 3 devices. 5.1 and 6.0 have the correct order (based on an ArrayList) while the 4.1 device has a seemingly random order.
Sep 10 10:10:34 <Mavrik> No, no issues.
Sep 10 10:10:42 <Mavrik> Check your ordering algorithm and data structure.
Sep 10 10:11:08 <Ywa> All right thanks. Will look further into it
Sep 10 10:16:23 <michael_mbp> hi all... Iv'e got a splash activity in which various Event bus subscribe events will fire.  However, I only want to trigger the intent to proceed once _ALL_ events are done.  How can I go about this? I could potentially setup an object with properties (as boolean) for each event.  Within each call-back we call something like if (SplashTasks.done()) { // fire intent }
Sep 10 10:16:45 <michael_mbp> of course this means, that each subscriber calls a method that does this check.
Sep 10 10:16:47 <Napalm> michael_mbp: its what bit flags are for :)
Sep 10 10:16:55 <michael_mbp> Napalm: ah...
Sep 10 10:17:05 <michael_mbp> Is it similar to what I've described? Googling :)
Sep 10 10:17:40 <michael_mbp> Ah got it
Sep 10 10:17:42 <michael_mbp> nice!
Sep 10 10:18:23 <michael_mbp> EnumSets too.
Sep 10 10:20:01 <Napalm> michael_mbp: just do on each event: flags |= eventFlag1; if((flags & allFlagsMask) == 0xF){ fireIntent(); }
Sep 10 10:20:52 <Napalm> eventFlag1 = 0x01; eventFlag2 = 0x02; eventFlag3 = 0x04; eventFlag4 = 0x08; allFlagsMask = 0x0F;
Sep 10 10:20:54 <Napalm> for example
Sep 10 10:21:07 <michael_mbp> gotcha, neat.
Sep 10 10:21:09 <raoul11> regarding svgs: so if i convert an svg file to a vectorDrawable xml, i dont need to add the actual svg to my resources? just the xml?
Sep 10 10:21:17 <Napalm> so each event has its flag, and then you test to see if all flags are set
Sep 10 10:21:37 <Napalm> raoul11: correct
Sep 10 10:22:18 <michael_mbp> Got it Napalm :)
Sep 10 10:22:54 <raoul11> thanks Napalm, and afaik this functionality got backported to older api's in the support lib?
Sep 10 10:24:43 <astroduck> raoul11: Yes, till API 14 I think, set vectorDrawables.useSupportLibrary = true in your build.gradle
Sep 10 10:24:58 <raoul11> nice stuff
Sep 10 10:25:48 <raoul11> was going mental about having to either 9patch 40 png's or manually setting fix sizes png * dpi size for those 40 images
Sep 10 10:26:51 <Ywa> Mavrik: There´s no ordering algorithm. Data structure is a simple ArrayList consisting objects
Sep 10 10:27:19 <Ywa> Double checked everything. Can´t find any obvious mistakes. Especially because it only applies to older versions
Sep 10 10:27:23 <Mavrik> So how do you expect things to be ordered? :)
Sep 10 10:27:23 <Ywa> older Android versions
Sep 10 10:27:34 <Mavrik> Magick?
Sep 10 10:27:44 <Ywa> Yes, Mr. Potter.
Sep 10 10:27:54 <Mavrik> ArrayList will keep the order of insertion.
Sep 10 10:28:09 <VerbalKint> Anyone know why my button's text clips if I use a 9-patch background?
Sep 10 10:28:11 <Mavrik> It's not going to sort data for you.
Sep 10 10:28:22 <VerbalKint> The text would fit perfectly in the button if not for the clipping
Sep 10 10:28:27 <Ywa> Yeah, that´s what I´m expecting (order of insertion). Should triple check the insertion. Thanks again
Sep 10 10:28:30 <Mavrik> VerbalKint, because 9-patch has a different padding.
Sep 10 10:28:36 <Napalm> Ywa: you probably have a threading issue
Sep 10 10:28:47 <VerbalKint> Mavrik: how would I solve this?
Sep 10 10:28:48 <Mavrik> Ywa, is your source of data ordered?
Sep 10 10:29:17 <Mavrik> VerbalKint, set the content area appropriately (the second pair of black lines)
Sep 10 10:29:18 <Ywa> Now that I think of it. That might actually cause it yes, Napalm. Thanks Napalm and Mavrik. Will look into the data source
Sep 10 10:29:44 <Napalm> VerbalKint: you have padding on your 9-patch and have clipToPadding turned on?
Sep 10 10:29:48 <Napalm> perhaps
Sep 10 10:30:21 <VerbalKint> Napalm: clipToPadding?
Sep 10 10:30:31 <Napalm> VerbalKint: did you set the content area?
Sep 10 10:30:32 <Mavrik> Ywa, well, then make sure your insertions are ordered or sort data after inserting
Sep 10 10:30:49 <Mavrik> The order on newer Androids is probably just due to plain luck or implementation detail
Sep 10 10:31:00 <VerbalKint> Napalm: I'm using this tool's auto feature https://romannurik.github.io/AndroidAssetStudio/nine-patches.html
Sep 10 10:31:22 <VerbalKint> Napalm: and my source image has a gradient inside. Is this the cause?
Sep 10 10:31:37 <Napalm> VerbalKint: its nothing to do with the source image
Sep 10 10:36:20 <Ywa> Mavrik, Napalm: You guys were right, of course. There´s a problem when iterating over a JSONObject which results in a different order. Thanks
Sep 10 10:37:07 <Mavrik> Ywa, dictionaries in most languages do not have order guarantees
Sep 10 10:37:16 <Mavrik> (This includes JSON, HashMap, etc.) :)
Sep 10 10:37:27 <Mavrik> So you always have to sort data when retrieveng from them if you want predictable order.
Sep 10 10:37:49 <Ywa> Why is that the case with json?
Sep 10 10:38:12 <Ywa> (asking out of curiosity)
Sep 10 10:38:21 <Mavrik> Becuase it's a dictionary in JS as well.
Sep 10 10:38:32 <Mavrik> And it's unordered by definition :)
Sep 10 10:38:48 <Mavrik> Due to how hashmaps work - they don't keep order because keys are hashed.
Sep 10 10:39:01 <Ywa> All right. got it
Sep 10 10:39:11 <Mavrik> So JSON parsers don't sort data (otherwise they wouldn't be able to stream it - they'd have to load it first and then sort it)
Sep 10 10:39:35 <Mavrik> Since you don't need ordering for most use-cases it would be just a performance hit.
Sep 10 10:40:28 <VerbalKint> Hmm. Adding a padding of 5sp fixes the problem.
Sep 10 10:40:33 <Ywa> I´ll just sort in the app itself then, like I should
Sep 10 10:41:38 <Ywa> One last question. Google didn´t get me exactly what I´d like. I have a TextView with wrapping and width set to wrap_content. But sometimes the width is still more than the actually used width by the text.
Sep 10 10:41:56 <Ywa> Found a custom class that inherits textview, but isn´t there a more clean way nowadays?
Sep 10 10:42:21 <Ywa> than actually used *
Sep 10 10:46:50 <loke`> Ywa: What do you mean by "clean"?
Sep 10 10:48:38 <Ywa> loke`, well, maybe a xml option for the textview or something more out-of-the-box
Sep 10 10:49:02 <Ywa> Seems like a pretty basic feature to me so that´s why I´m wondering
Sep 10 10:49:21 <VerbalKint> loke`: custom TextView is full of germs, that's what he's trying to say :D
Sep 10 10:49:41 <VerbalKint> Has to wash his code 50 times if it gets germs
Sep 10 11:28:54 <Cmaj6> My app uses a local SQLite database to store data. I want to add synchronization to a remote MySQL database. I was planning on using JSON over HTTP to transfer data between android database <----> remote database. Is this a good approach, or do you have a better idea?
Sep 10 11:32:19 <ktwo> make sure you're using an encrypted connection
Sep 10 11:46:53 <shmooz> 'one time in a million, a coin will fall on it's edge' Rod Serling
Sep 10 11:47:55 <Yotta92> Hey guys, is USB Host Api part of Google Apis? I have misbehavior when running usbManager.getDeviceList() on Lollipop with emulator. On the Android emulator with Google Apis the getDeviceList() returns empty list which is correct, but on regular Android emulator it throws NPE. Any ideas why?
Sep 10 11:53:34 <VerbalKint> raoul11: I achieved the monumental task of making my app appear on the 2nd page of a google search :D
Sep 10 12:07:58 <michael_mbp> Napalm: in an error handler for API response 200 (suppose the JSON response intimates an error), should I just do a Log.w or throw an exception?
Sep 10 12:08:03 <michael_mbp> oops, Log.e I mean
Sep 10 12:09:29 <michael_mbp> ah ignore that, it kills the app.  Log.e it is :)
Sep 10 12:25:38 <VerbalKint> Anyone know why the AS designer complains about the PlusButton not being instantiated? com.google.android.gms.plus.PlusOneButton
Sep 10 12:25:53 <VerbalKint> The solutions on StackOverflow don't work for me
Sep 10 12:26:05 <VerbalKint> I've tried refreshing the cache a lot of times
Sep 10 13:37:51 <MidOrFeed> hello?
Sep 10 13:39:06 <MidOrFeed> I have a source of confusion with android studio: I open a project I was working on yesterday and click run, but it runs the project I was working on two days ago
Sep 10 13:39:26 <MidOrFeed> even though no files are open in the code editor for the project from 2 days ago
Sep 10 13:43:23 <Ashiren> hm
Sep 10 13:44:13 <raoul11> the vector tool on AS seems broken
Sep 10 13:49:44 <MidOrFeed> weird
Sep 10 13:49:49 <MidOrFeed> I just restarted a couple of times
Sep 10 13:53:23 <VerbalKint> AS broken? Working as intended.
Sep 10 13:53:58 <VerbalKint> It can't even simulate shadows
Sep 10 13:54:55 <altendky> i'm trying to help someone get qt/android development setup.  getting "android.buildToolsVersion is missing!" http://pastebin.com/ivCGvz1F  is this an indication of not finding the sdk?  just looking for a pointer in the right direction, i'll continue to debug the qt creator configuration.
Sep 10 14:02:47 <crised> In an horizontal layout, I have 2 buttons
Sep 10 14:03:04 <crised> problem is that they are not correctly aligned if one looks carefully, what may be happening?
Sep 10 14:07:57 <altendky> crised: i doubt i can help, but it would be easier if you explained how they are not aligned or perhaps even had an image
Sep 10 14:09:01 <crised> altendky: it was a gravity issue, silly me
Sep 10 14:09:11 <crised> one had it and the other didn't
Sep 10 14:11:01 <crised> how to prevent linear layout childs from overflowing/
Sep 10 14:16:20 <VerbalKint> crised: would making the linear layout_width/height wrap_content work in your case?
Sep 10 14:18:12 <crised> VerbalKint: nope
Sep 10 14:42:43 <VerbalKint> Does anyone know of a SEO channel on freenode?
Sep 10 14:49:53 <mark244-x1> Hello.I want to verify zipaling on apk from terminal emulator but have this problem. CANNOT LINK EXECUTABLE: cannot locate symbol "_ZN7android10VectorImpl19reservedVectorImpl5Ev" referenced by "zipalign"
Sep 10 15:24:46 <android-dev761> hello
Sep 10 15:25:15 <habe23> I need some help with android studio, I am new to all this stuff
Sep 10 15:26:06 <habe23> I have listview.xml with "Error:(17) Error parsing XML: mismatched tag" and row.xml with "Error:(13) Error parsing XML: not well-formed (invalid token)"
Sep 10 15:26:33 <Mavrik> It's telling you that your XML is broken
Sep 10 15:26:49 <habe23> but I can't see anything wrong
Sep 10 15:26:52 <habe23> need some more clue
Sep 10 15:27:06 <habe23> can i paste to pastebin here?
Sep 10 15:28:54 <habe23> here is my XML http://pastebin.com/gk0mbYhg
Sep 10 15:29:21 <Ashiren> line 42
Sep 10 15:29:23 <Ashiren> the "
Sep 10 15:29:36 <Ashiren> as well 52
Sep 10 15:29:39 <Ashiren> and 61
Sep 10 15:29:40 <Ashiren> :o
Sep 10 15:29:43 <SimonVT> And 21
Sep 10 15:31:01 <habe23> wow thank you
Sep 10 15:31:05 <habe23> I must be blind :)
Sep 10 15:32:15 <VerbalKint> habe23: are you coding this by hand?
Sep 10 15:32:34 <mark244-x1> Hi. I have a problem with zipalig. CANNOT LINK EXECUTABLE: cannot locate symbol "_ZN7android10VectorImpl19reservedVectorImpl5Ev" referenced by "zipalign" Why ?
Sep 10 15:33:43 <mark244-x1> Is from apk android terminal emulator. I have custom rom 4.4.2 on s2
Sep 10 15:35:13 <habe23> wow there is a lot of mistakes here
Sep 10 15:35:43 <habe23> VerbalKint: I am coding this while listening it on youtube tutorial, not a native speaker
Sep 10 15:36:59 <habe23> I am almost done, now there is Error:(59, 17) error: <identifier> expected in adapter.java
Sep 10 15:38:29 <VerbalKint> Even though I'm taking 10" tablet screenshots using an emulator, Play Store tells me that they're not valid. Anyone know why?
Sep 10 15:39:41 <Mavrik> Read the error message?
Sep 10 15:40:48 <VerbalKint> The hell. The error's gone. I didn't do anything. :O
Sep 10 15:41:30 <freakyy> hi all i have a question. is there any other resource where i can put up my apps i developed other trhan google play store? because it would cost 25€ to publish my app in google play :(
Sep 10 15:42:08 <loke`> freakyy: That's a one-time cost. It's nothing.
Sep 10 15:42:37 <VerbalKint> freakyy: don't know of how much help it'll be, but Amazon App Store and Opera App Store are biggish alternatives
Sep 10 15:43:01 <VerbalKint> freakyy: and they don't have any fees
Sep 10 15:43:03 <loke`> VerbalKint: Where "biggish" means "a very tiny fraction".
Sep 10 15:43:36 <VerbalKint> freakyy: but you should really pay those 25 euros
Sep 10 15:45:52 <ktwo> You could also just make it FOSS and publish it on F-Droid
Sep 10 15:46:38 <VerbalKint> ktwo: lol
Sep 10 16:02:57 <freakyy> no what i want is, to make free programs but dont wann apy for it to be put in store. i now downloaded amazon underground app, but it deosnt have a good icons. is xda-developers a good alternative?
Sep 10 16:03:18 <VerbalKint> lolwtf, I got 25 downloads on Opera App Store :O
Sep 10 16:03:49 <VerbalKint> freakyy: wait, you want to make *completely free* apps as in they don't have ads?
Sep 10 16:25:12 <mark244-x1> Why? On zipalign CANNOT LINK EXECUTABLE: cannot locate symbol "_ZN7android10VectorImpl19reservedVectorImpl5Ev" referenced by "zipalign
Sep 10 16:51:09 <jjuran> freakyy: If your app is free software, it can go in the F-Droid app repository.
Sep 10 17:05:19 <VerbalKint> Can't believe a huge corporation such as Amazon can have an incredibly crappy website
Sep 10 17:07:18 <orbyt_> Uh what
Sep 10 17:09:00 <VerbalKint> IT SUCKS
Sep 10 17:09:05 <VerbalKint> What more is there to say?
Sep 10 17:09:32 <VerbalKint> You could get a slicker design from 40$ wordpress theme
Sep 10 17:09:43 <VerbalKint> And the performance of the website? Laughable
Sep 10 17:09:52 <VerbalKint> *themes
Sep 10 17:09:59 <orbyt_> Would love to see an example of your work VerbalKint
Sep 10 17:11:06 <VerbalKint> orbyt_: well, I never said that I would do a better job (I suck), but a company such as Amazon could easily afford a complete overhaul of their website
Sep 10 17:25:27 <g00s>   this is about the best i can do <html>Hello world!</html>
Sep 10 17:27:05 <VerbalKint> The design doesn't bother me that much, but the clusterfuck that is their code is slowing down my oldish PC X_X
Sep 10 17:27:25 <g00s> VerbalKint ah yeah, they do a lot of BS
Sep 10 17:27:48 <g00s> i couldn't even browse with FF, it was totally janked. but Safari worked well, chrome did ok
Sep 10 17:29:55 <VerbalKint> lol, they're advertising a job offer in their source code
Sep 10 17:30:04 <VerbalKint> At least they know that it sucks
Sep 10 17:30:28 <VerbalKint> Code even checks for IE6
Sep 10 17:32:08 <VerbalKint> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/ie6countdown/
Sep 10 17:32:29 <VerbalKint> This page proves that Microsoft is ashamed of IE6 and even them want it to die faster
Sep 10 17:33:53 <VerbalKint> I can't believe just how wrong it is
Sep 10 17:34:25 <VerbalKint> My theory is that because they're really big, web developer firms ask for ridiculous amounts of money just because of that
Sep 10 17:34:48 <g00s> i'm sure amazon does its own web dev
Sep 10 17:34:53 <g00s> lol
Sep 10 17:34:57 <g00s> ok next topic :)
Sep 10 17:35:19 <VerbalKint> g00s: :P
Sep 10 17:46:19 <g00s> so i guess with AS final, ConstraintLayout will be final too ?
Sep 10 17:53:18 <orbyt_> Im trying to do a reveal animation that opens up the next activity
Sep 10 17:53:47 <orbyt_> I've looked into createCircularReveal, but the issue is you pass in a view and the relavant dimensions, and it animated that view
Sep 10 17:54:09 <orbyt_> so If I'm looking to use a button the has an outward reveal for a new activity, how would i do that
Sep 10 17:54:13 <orbyt_> ?
Sep 10 18:00:51 <drinfernoo> good morning #android-dev :)
Sep 10 18:16:08 <orbyt_> drinfernoo: Good morning, but where do you live that its morning? It's past 11 in california
Sep 10 18:16:39 <orbyt_> Hawaii?
Sep 10 18:20:20 <iprime> past 11 is programmer's morning
Sep 10 18:21:29 <grekkos> is there a way to query my sqlite db on the phone interactively? so I don't have to for example, write some code, recompile , etc..?
Sep 10 18:21:46 <g00s> grekkos you can use stetho
Sep 10 18:22:19 <g00s> i see they recently released 1.4; development seems to have slowed down. wonder what jasta is up to
Sep 10 18:23:31 <grekkos> g00s: this looks nice
Sep 10 18:25:31 <drinfernoo> I'm in WA, so it's past 11 here too lol
Sep 10 18:26:22 <pfffffft> do you need a license to manifacture and sell devices that's running android?
Sep 10 18:27:00 <grekkos> hahaha
Sep 10 18:27:22 <grekkos> I thought you said pfffffft you need a license to manufacture and sell devices running android?!
Sep 10 18:27:30 <grekkos> then I realized it was your nick
Sep 10 18:27:34 <grekkos> great start to the morning
Sep 10 18:30:01 <g00s> pfffffft no
Sep 10 18:30:34 <g00s> and that can be googled, why ask here ?
Sep 10 18:42:14 <drinfernoo> pfffffft, youre going to need alot more than $100/mo, though lol
Sep 10 18:56:51 <pfffffft> grekkos: lol
Sep 10 20:14:23 <perlsyntax> For android do i need jdk 6 jdk 7 and jdk 8?
Sep 10 20:16:27 <perlsyntax> Or i just need jdk 8?
Sep 10 20:18:07 <perlsyntax> i want to do android 2.2.2 up to android 7.0
Sep 10 20:24:57 <whatitis> was there a 2.2.2?
Sep 10 20:25:11 <perlsyntax> i think so but not sure.
Sep 10 20:25:16 <whatitis> haha
Sep 10 20:25:26 <perlsyntax> what so funny?
Sep 10 20:26:32 <perlsyntax> whatitis,I take i just need jdk 8 right?
Sep 10 20:27:12 <whatitis> that specific version, i'm googlin
Sep 10 20:30:14 <whatitis> says jdk 7 or higher is required for android 5.0+ so far, so as long as can get 7 to work down to 2.2.2 then should be good?
Sep 10 20:53:48 <barodapride> Anyone know how to create an image from an android view if the view is larger than the current display?
Sep 10 21:05:37 <drinfernoo> lol I fell asleep and my client disconnected
Sep 10 21:11:44 <drinfernoo> as a basic example, something like a ViewPager is a really good example of "native" MVP, am I right? the ViewPager itself is the V, and the adapter is the P, holds references to the M, and updates the V accordingly?
Sep 10 21:17:25 <myke> ugh
Sep 10 21:18:56 <myke> same problem as mvc, the abstraction between "model" and "presenter/controller" tends to go pear-shaped
Sep 10 21:19:05 <myke> since that's often "what your thing does"
Sep 10 21:23:00 <drinfernoo> what do you mean?
Sep 10 21:23:32 <dr_infernoo> sorry
Sep 10 21:38:52 <dr_infernoo> what's up pfffffft?
Sep 10 22:08:47 <Cmaj6> I got some serious issues. I use a ContentValues object to insert data in a database using db.insert(). However, as soon as i put 3 items in the ContentValues object, db.insert() throws an error. It is working fine when I only have a ContentValues object with 2 values inside it. Whut to do?
Sep 10 22:32:28 <whatitis> you read the error
Sep 10 22:47:26 <hexagonSun_> how to mode on the "design" xml editor? i want to zoom but then i can't move to the parto of the tablet i want to zoom
Sep 10 22:47:43 <hexagonSun_> how to zoom*
Sep 10 22:48:32 <hexagonSun_> i assumed i could move with ctrl+mouse or smthng
Sep 10 23:06:56 <g00s> capella-5x pretty cool https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/09/flyweb-pure-web-cross-device-interaction/
Sep 10 23:07:07 <g00s> "1. Write a smartphone app"
Sep 10 23:11:44 <capella-5x> I like the title of the link, but again, #ew#
Sep 10 23:19:28 <g00s> Memory use of Textual: 67.9 MB • Visible lines: 723
Sep 10 23:19:47 <g00s> oops
Sep 10 23:20:32 <hexagonSun_> can i use 2 different grid views on one layout to pass elements from the first grid view to the second one when running?
Sep 10 23:20:46 <hexagonSun_> aka with my finger
Sep 10 23:34:59 <hexagonSun_> im trying to create 2 grid views in one layout, but when trying to run i get error Error:(18) Error parsing XML: junk after document element on my second <GridView on my activity_main.xml
Sep 10 23:35:49 <hexagonSun_> i've made 2 different Grid Views with different id's and called the findVIewById method on both
Sep 10 23:36:26 <hexagonSun_> the component tree on the "Design" xml editor only shows 1 Grid View
Sep 10 23:36:30 <hexagonSun_> how to display both?
Sep 10 23:38:55 <hexagonSun_> mayeb  Grid View isn't what I should be ussing?
Sep 10 23:53:35 <drinfernoo> hexagonSun_, link to your code?
Sep 10 23:54:39 <parco> i wonder if there's a way to use Data binding library to effect the controlling Activity/Fragment from within XML....
Sep 10 23:55:29 <parco> for example the ability to setTitle of the activity from within XML
Sep 11 00:15:19 <bluwzrd_> ood afternoon. Does anyone know how to log additional information regarding errors with Ninja during the AOSP build process? Redirecting stderr to a file still only shows "Error1", and I am unable to pinpoint what is preventing me from compiling.
Sep 11 00:51:59 <orbyt_> Does anyone use illustrator?
Sep 11 01:43:40 <drinfernoo> hey guess what? SparseArray is pretty neat lol
Sep 11 01:50:32 <parco> drinfernoo: crazy you mention that, i just had a run in with it
Sep 11 01:58:45 <drinfernoo> I was in a position where I needed to keep track of an index, an object, and a key
Sep 11 01:58:51 <drinfernoo> boom, SparseArray
Sep 11 02:33:20 <g00s> capella-5x can you get your connection together :D
Sep 11 02:35:51 <capella-5x> sorry, I imagine the quit/part msgs? Can't your client filter? I'm in an outdoor Cafe with poor wifi and I'm moving about
Sep 11 02:36:42 <parco> capella-5x: sounds like fun, watcha drinking?
Sep 11 02:37:03 <capella-5x> Saturday! NA beer, a new blend
Sep 11 02:38:44 <capella-5x> "clausthaler" seriously tastes like it's supposed to
Sep 11 02:44:17 <parco> capella-5x: at first i thought NA was North American, and i was thinking budweiser... but that's way fancier
Sep 11 02:45:40 <capella-5x> yah, I finally drank all the thingz... so I stopped
Sep 11 02:46:40 <capella-5x> but I like the parties still :)
Sep 11 02:57:00 <parco> oh i see kotlin is loved by so many, the word "fun" is everywhere
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