**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 13 02:59:58 2016 Sep 13 03:04:52 get a new phone Sep 13 03:10:59 Oh, pfn wants to give out phones for free again! Sep 13 03:11:04 What an occasion Sep 13 03:43:19 justJanne i wonder after the Pixels are released, if google will still have some kind of low-cost reference design for developers ... Sep 13 03:44:25 reference design? Sep 13 03:44:25 i'm pissed that google has not released something like an Android One phone in the US Sep 13 03:45:23 So both of the pixel phones are going to be expensive? Sep 13 03:45:56 we don't know yet, but with qualcomm 821s + competing with iPhone 7 ... presumably Sep 13 03:46:28 "competing" Sep 13 03:46:32 "competing" Sep 13 03:46:33 Ha! Sep 13 03:47:17 lol if they keep the headphone jack probably some people would move over Sep 13 03:47:30 I wonder when anyone’s going to release an SoC that comes close to Apple’s Soc in terms of performance. Sep 13 03:47:40 well Sep 13 03:47:41 oh yeah their SoC is a beast Sep 13 03:47:47 we'll never know Sep 13 03:47:54 because they are closed source whores :) Sep 13 03:48:13 huh Sep 13 03:49:19 i wish google kept moto Sep 13 03:49:46 yeah, keeping open wounds openly hemorrhaging money is great Sep 13 03:50:52 sounds like most google projects :) Sep 13 03:52:42 <_genuser_> anybody else hate the nav drawer? Sep 13 03:52:55 no Sep 13 03:53:02 <_genuser_> as I create simple plain UIs and decorate them with hint of color here and there, I'm kinda starting to hate my nav drawer. Sep 13 03:53:04 Well , I hate some things about it Sep 13 03:53:07 but hate is a strong word. Sep 13 03:53:07 <_genuser_> it's looking "slightly" bulky. Sep 13 03:53:24 _genuser_: recently I replaced a whole drawer with a viewpager Sep 13 03:53:46 <_genuser_> tx: ok, so drawer pops out and you're swiping left and right? Sep 13 03:53:47 (inside a nav drawer to give it the animations / size / behavior ) Sep 13 03:53:54 _genuser_ did you check out Google+, etc they still have it but for unimportant things like settings. bottom nav for everything else Sep 13 03:53:59 Not swiping, the moving is controlled programatically Sep 13 03:54:13 the pager is just to make the menu multi-level Sep 13 03:54:15 <_genuser_> g00s: bottom nav? Sep 13 03:54:21 so you tap on the root menu and it swipes to another Sep 13 03:54:59 _genuser_ https://material.google.com/components/bottom-navigation.html Sep 13 03:55:01 <_genuser_> g00s: so bottom nav is just a fancy word for tabs at the bottom. Sep 13 03:55:10 _genuser_ no they behave different Sep 13 03:55:30 they behave exactly the way they told you not to do things with tabs lol Sep 13 03:55:39 Is there anything similar to android:elevation pre api 21? Sep 13 03:55:47 Faizan no Sep 13 03:55:57 ah okay so would have to create a custom style for my view Sep 13 03:56:00 <_genuser_> g00s: I didn't read up on what not to do with tabs either. Sep 13 03:56:08 Faizan: you need to make it yaself. Sep 13 03:56:13 gotcha thanks Sep 13 03:56:18 Faizan you can look at the CardView sources Sep 13 03:56:25 Faizan: it's not too bad, just make a drawable and apply a shadow Sep 13 03:56:26 <_genuser_> I guess I'm not too fond of Google trying to hard to be apple but failing at it so creating new rules of UI design every other month. Sep 13 03:56:26 you'll need a shadow bg drawable Sep 13 03:56:29 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21211870/android-view-shadow Sep 13 03:56:31 here :) Sep 13 03:56:35 okay, thanks for the sources guys Sep 13 03:56:55 sorry, I think we over-helped lol Sep 13 03:56:57 what's the "guidelines" on shadows on buttons? Sep 13 03:57:00 Faizan but hope you don't need to use selectableItemBackground or something like that :D Sep 13 03:57:03 nah that was really helpful of you tx Sep 13 03:57:16 <_genuser_> g00s: having said that I'm liking how material design is picking up and I hope google will quit creating new UI rules and focus on letting this one become standard. Sep 13 03:57:26 nope g00s, nothing selectable :D Sep 13 03:57:29 Google is an angsty teen Sep 13 03:57:33 never gonna happen. Sep 13 03:57:47 they just got the FAB working in support lib Sep 13 03:58:00 and even then, anchor with CoordinatorLayout just broke again Sep 13 03:58:05 <_genuser_> tx: I kinda feel that too, google is too driven by "project of the week" mentality. 20% time is one thing but constantly pushing out some new project into prod it's a little overwhelming Sep 13 03:58:17 g00s: to make it worse, vendor mods break things too Sep 13 03:58:20 <_genuser_> everytime I take go to youtube, the UI is all b0rked. Sep 13 03:58:33 <_genuser_> nothing is where it should be and for what? to re-arrange my favorites? Just leave the damn thing alone. Sep 13 03:58:35 i guess YouTube got bottom nav too Sep 13 03:58:36 I usually dev on samsungs Sep 13 03:58:38 ah android:background="@android:drawable/dialog_holo_light_frame" is a neat idea, but is there any way to have a background color different from the default, or no? Sep 13 03:58:42 and there's usually something broken on it Sep 13 03:58:42 well, i still see the old version Sep 13 03:58:57 Faizan: yes! copy that drawable and edit it Sep 13 03:59:09 good idea! Sep 13 03:59:17 i forgot everything is available to me lol Sep 13 03:59:23 heh Sep 13 03:59:44 <_genuser_> bottom nav seems too much like android 1.0 from the old days, to be honest. Sep 13 03:59:57 <_genuser_> it seems like somebody found that project in an old repo and recompiled it to show tabs at the bottom. Sep 13 04:00:01 i don't like it over the nav bar Sep 13 04:00:21 <_genuser_> g00s: nav bar is which one (sorry I'm losing tarck here, not trolling). Sep 13 04:00:32 back, home, recents Sep 13 04:00:49 <_genuser_> ah, the software based button replacement. Sep 13 04:00:52 does Android 7 let you customize the nav bar ? Sep 13 04:00:58 God damn here's me trying to find that file in the sdk data folders, and I just remembered I can add that line and control click on android studio.. Sep 13 04:01:00 thought i read something about that Sep 13 04:01:03 there's a cool story for you guys Sep 13 04:01:31 Faizan sell it to Disney Sep 13 04:01:52 <_genuser_> g00s: I guess the option of configurability is what's kinda turning me off android. Sep 13 04:02:26 _genuser_ the lack of, or too much ? Sep 13 04:02:41 i leave stuff @ defaults, disable junk i don't use Sep 13 04:02:46 <_genuser_> the dev side of me loves it. but since most mobile apps are starting to follow a "somewhat" uniform form, it's hard when google breaks away from it. or provides too much of a choice so each dev does it differently. Sep 13 04:03:11 Could someone tell me what the difference is between something like @android:drawable/dialog_holo_light_frame and @drawable/... Sep 13 04:03:16 Material design has been veey successful. Sep 13 04:03:25 <_genuser_> having an aapl phone for work, I just love how each app looks the same. they behave the same. the lack of options is what forces everything to be the same and helps quick acclamation (sp?) Sep 13 04:03:29 Faizan: @android denotes a built-in resource Sep 13 04:03:30 Is the former using android sdk's built in resources, and the latter using my owwn? Sep 13 04:03:32 part of the android API Sep 13 04:03:34 yes Sep 13 04:03:37 okay awesomer Sep 13 04:03:39 awesome* Sep 13 04:03:39 <_genuser_> tx: yep, I'm hoping it picks up and google quit making changes to it. Sep 13 04:04:03 Faizan: try to avoid using them as they might disappear on future APIs. Sep 13 04:04:18 Yeah i'm just including it so i can open the source file to copy and paste Sep 13 04:04:24 gr8. ;) Sep 13 04:04:30 so its generally best to avoid/recreate them yourself? Sep 13 04:04:53 they are not going to disappear Sep 13 04:05:11 why is that Sep 13 04:05:13 <_genuser_> g00s: ok, honestly reading up on it, nav bar does what I thought tabs would do. but your previous comment leads me to believe I didn't realize tabs had a different purpose. :) Sep 13 04:05:57 there are subtle differences about bottom nav / tab behavior Sep 13 04:06:07 They're allowed to deprecate and eventually remove resources just as they can with code. Sep 13 04:06:09 its not just being on the top or bottom Sep 13 04:06:18 <_genuser_> g00s: so you're saying you prefer navbar of nav drawer? Sep 13 04:06:22 tx: when you mean built in do you mean installed with the platform? Sep 13 04:06:33 i.e. if I download android 22 build tools or w.e Sep 13 04:06:37 _genuser_ the nav bar is part of android Sep 13 04:06:43 <_genuser_> g00s: I'm thinking I might do away with nav drawer then because I'm sure apple version of my app would probably look like it has "navbar" Sep 13 04:07:01 iOS apps have something like nav drawer too Sep 13 04:07:02 <_genuser_> g00s: sorry, I meant navbar _over_ nav drawer Sep 13 04:07:24 <_genuser_> g00s: so my question was "do you prefer to have navbar in an app instead of a nav drawer" Sep 13 04:07:29 <_genuser_> as a user. Sep 13 04:07:35 except the main content area slides over, revealing left and right. a little different Sep 13 04:07:39 tx, they are not deprecated, and are not going to. be any time soon Sep 13 04:07:50 <_genuser_> yeah, I see facebook app has that nav drawer thing on apple too. Sep 13 04:07:51 I didn't say it was. Sep 13 04:07:56 tx, resources from cupcake are still available Sep 13 04:07:57 _genuser_ honestly my opinion doesn't matter Sep 13 04:08:02 i would have both Sep 13 04:08:13 not using framework for fear of them. becoming deprecated is a bad reason Sep 13 04:08:17 put overflow shit in your nav drawer, put important stuff in bottom nav Sep 13 04:08:26 <_genuser_> g00s: I understand. I think the more users I ask and the more I hear about one way or the other, the better the user experience will be for my app. Sep 13 04:08:47 I dislike using resources from older APIs if I am just say, borrowing them for a shadow. Sep 13 04:08:48 <_genuser_> g00s: I guess I have a bit of a bad design at the moment then. Sep 13 04:08:55 google doesn't have anything in the support libs for it yet .. so you;ll need a 3rd party Sep 13 04:09:29 also heh I forgot how young android is Sep 13 04:09:36 1.1 was released early 2009! Sep 13 04:09:51 <_genuser_> g00s: I have nav drawer showing 3 main items selectable. when you select one, the main view shows the content in a fragment using tabs Sep 13 04:10:06 oh Sep 13 04:10:13 <_genuser_> g00s: each item from nav drawer can lead to different number of tabs on the main activity hosted fragment. Sep 13 04:10:20 yeah if you want 2 levels like that, use nav drawer + tabs Sep 13 04:10:53 _genuser_ w/o seeing your app i can't say any more ;) Sep 13 04:10:56 <_genuser_> g00s: ok, so doesn't sound stupid to you as a user? (disregarding what I'm actually grouping, just the thought of content being grouped like that). Sep 13 04:10:56 * g00s runs Sep 13 04:11:20 <_genuser_> g00s: haha, completely understand. I appreciate your input. not tryng to make you design it for me. Sep 13 04:11:22 no, its fine to use nav drawer to swap out a screen which has tabs Sep 13 04:11:39 <_genuser_> once we design something it makes sense to us and it's easier to complicate it. but a new user might be completely lost. Sep 13 04:12:23 <_genuser_> fromteh navbar link, I like how they can disappear allowing more immersive experience. I'm gonna remember this from my upcoming projects. Sep 13 04:12:28 _genuser_ go to Play Books -> My library Sep 13 04:13:17 <_genuser_> g00s: ah, I'll check it out now. Sep 13 04:13:44 <_genuser_> g00s: but to be honest, google apps are the worst designed, in my opinion. Even tho they came up with material design, which I think it a really good thing. Sep 13 04:13:50 they have 3 tabs (all books, uploads, purchases) Sep 13 04:14:21 _genuser_ funny thing that :D Sep 13 04:14:29 <_genuser_> g00s: hmm,my "my library" only has "all books" tab, haha. Sep 13 04:14:35 <_genuser_> see what I mean by non-uniform experience. Sep 13 04:15:09 <_genuser_> the sliding horizontal rows are the worst. I really dislike those. Sep 13 04:15:18 <_genuser_> but for books, I use Kindle. Sep 13 04:15:21 oh like iosched Sep 13 04:15:32 <_genuser_> for google playstore, I just search for an app, and leave the rest of the mess alone. Sep 13 04:15:33 i hate the kindle app, its a piece of shit Sep 13 04:15:46 still showing advertisements for purchased books ... Sep 13 04:15:58 <_genuser_> g00s: it has kinda turned into Play Book like thing lately. Sep 13 04:16:24 when i buy a book, i don't want to see advertisements while reading said book Sep 13 04:16:35 i hate all tech companies Sep 13 04:16:38 <_genuser_> what I dislike more is the seemingly random jumps from a specific app to play store. Sep 13 04:16:43 give me my commodore 64 back, fuckers Sep 13 04:16:52 <_genuser_> so you're in Play Book, and shop for books takes you to Play Store. what kinda dumb thing is that? Sep 13 04:17:13 <_genuser_> same for music, or video. why even make a specific app for each? Sep 13 04:17:22 <_genuser_> just put all teh content in the play store app. Sep 13 04:17:25 because more icons = more saturation Sep 13 04:17:37 <_genuser_> and have a My Books under Books. And My Music under mysuc, Sep 13 04:17:58 <_genuser_> then making material design to say "DO"NT DO THIS!!" Sep 13 04:18:05 <_genuser_> and then doing exactly that in one of their own apps. Sep 13 04:18:29 <_genuser_> or releasing material libs that only do half of what google's own apps do. so there's tons of github clones trying to accomplish that, lol. Sep 13 04:18:37 There guidelines, not rules Sep 13 04:18:47 They're* Sep 13 04:19:14 <_genuser_> orbyt_: typically an advocate for a standard sticks to that standard and tries to promote that every chance they get. Sep 13 04:19:35 <_genuser_> they don't author the standard, and then ignore it themselves. it makes for a slow adoption. Sep 13 04:19:50 <_genuser_> otherwise, agreed, they're just guidelines. Sep 13 04:19:51 They dont ignore, read what I just wrote^ Sep 13 04:20:09 <_genuser_> I did read what you wrote. and what I wrote back doesn't ignore what you said. Sep 13 04:20:40 <_genuser_> ok, time to focus on app design. :) Sep 13 04:21:22 <_genuser_> I'm at a point where I'm wrestling with laying out the data but some of the technically harder stuff has been solved. this is where I lose interest in most of my projects. Sep 13 04:23:12 i lose interest when its time to start testing on samsung devices Sep 13 04:23:26 <_genuser_> g00s: hmm, my only test devices are samsung. Sep 13 04:23:43 <_genuser_> all of my mine and family's. I wonder if I get it working on those, if it will work on everything. Sep 13 04:24:04 <_genuser_> well my mom does have the nexus. Sep 13 04:24:12 if i could, i'd just change Play to restrict to a few devices like nexus Sep 13 04:24:23 would like whitelist over blacklist Sep 13 04:24:40 'it works on nexus, the rest of you .. good luck!" Sep 13 04:24:45 <_genuser_> wouldn't you lose users then? or do you not care about that Sep 13 04:24:53 don't care Sep 13 04:26:01 <_genuser_> g00s: tbh, my "social app" would have been better off being code just for apple and targeted at teeny boppers. Sep 13 04:26:06 <_genuser_> but android is what I know so... Sep 13 04:26:22 <_genuser_> know = "know a little" Sep 13 04:28:13 _genuser_ from a couple of weeks ago "Salesforce will only support Nexus and Samsung Galaxy phones to avoid Android fragmentation" Sep 13 04:28:25 i dont use any of their stuff, but thought it was funny :D Sep 13 04:28:49 <_genuser_> that's a big vendor to lock everything else out. or at least to ignore those users. Sep 13 04:29:08 <_genuser_> but then again, I doubt people like facebook, snapchat will ignore anyone. their goal is to get more users. Sep 13 04:30:03 <_genuser_> hmm, my app's a mess looking at this material design reference again. Sep 13 04:30:22 yup. zuckerborg wants to supply internet to wherever, not because its good, but to get every cursed soul into that platform Sep 13 04:31:07 earlier this year, India was like, "yeah go away" Sep 13 04:31:24 <_genuser_> it's interesting people are spending so much on user acquisition. Sep 13 04:31:53 Facebook claimed that they did it purely out of altruistic reasons. They could easily have proved that by removing Facebook from the list of free services... Sep 13 04:32:02 The fact that they didn't proves the point, I think. Sep 13 04:32:45 Facebook == Google == NSA, so no wonder Sep 13 04:33:01 <_genuser_> so all these "flat button" "raised button", etc. etc. don't these just have a pre-defined style? Or are you supposed to write your own based on material design documentation? Sep 13 04:34:32 _genuser_ they have styles Sep 13 04:34:54 you should have a text editor up, at all times, with android styles / attrs / themes xmls open Sep 13 04:34:59 so you can search quick Sep 13 04:35:39 and appcompat provides some of them too, for convenience Sep 13 04:36:09 <_genuser_> g00s: android styles, etc. etc. where do I open them? just ctrl-b on something and use that file? Sep 13 04:36:11 Hey g00s:) Sep 13 04:37:11 hi perlsyntax Sep 13 04:37:19 _genuser_ they are in your SDK install ... Sep 13 04:37:32 <_genuser_> g00s: hmm, I'm really confused now. I have a simple button theme I've been using. but the material design looks nice. because it's clean and designed well. Sep 13 04:37:36 <_genuser_> can't decide which to stick with. Sep 13 04:37:42 now, appcompat styles .. i don't think they are there any more , i think you need to get that from repo Sep 13 04:38:00 <_genuser_> ok, I'll find the files in sdk intall. Sep 13 04:38:06 after they got rid of option to have support library - you only get m2 repo now Sep 13 04:38:57 <_genuser_> so it most of the material deisng stuff already coded in one of the libs in the SDK? Sep 13 04:39:05 yeah they only have 'support repository' Sep 13 04:39:13 <_genuser_> I know snackbar and floating buttons for example are already there by default in a template project. Sep 13 04:39:41 <_genuser_> so I'm curious if that library has all of the material design UI stuff like switch buttons, etc. etc. or just the few. Sep 13 04:46:02 <_genuser_> g00s: one quick question. nav drawer selects item X. subitems of X are loaded into the viewpager on main activity. Uses FragmentActivity for each Page. For mainactivity to access UI elements on that... should I just store references to the loaded fragment? Or is there's a better way to handle all that? Sep 13 04:47:08 you can't use FragmentActivity for Pages in ViewPager ... Sep 13 04:47:40 <_genuser_> Fragment sorry. Sep 13 04:48:11 Anyone know how to get the Play Store on the sdk's emulator? Sep 13 04:48:27 <_genuser_> using a contentfragment extends fragment{ /* stuff */ public static ContentFragment newInstance(int TabNumber){ /* create fragment */ } Sep 13 04:49:13 <_genuser_> g00s: so basically viewpager has the main selected page and there's a fragment on it. and I'm thinking if I should have just stored the reference to it when creating it, or can I later get the ref programmatically or something, etc. Sep 13 04:52:53 dont try to store references to fragments in the viewpager, its bad Sep 13 04:53:00 * g00s wanders off Sep 13 04:53:12 <_genuser_> ok, thanks. I'll think it thru a bit more. and google more. Sep 13 04:57:50 https://www.classaction.com/news/exploding-galaxy-edge-s7-causes-3rd-degree-burns-man/ Sep 13 04:57:59 Jesus, the phone's an IED :O Sep 13 04:58:41 <_genuser_> so drop a few of these of iraq along with free calling plan? Sep 13 04:58:43 <_genuser_> then call them, lol. Sep 13 04:58:50 <_genuser_> bastards, take this! Sep 13 04:59:02 <_genuser_> *of=over Sep 13 04:59:32 _genuser_: hella racist and ignorant comment, bro... Sep 13 05:00:13 <_genuser_> my joke (bad?) was just about dropping them over warzone. not over people of any given ethnic background. Sep 13 05:00:52 <_genuser_> so hopefully that clarifies that there wasn't any racist intent. just a joke based on the word "IED" that you mentioned. Sep 13 05:01:15 I've seen memes to that effect going around this week... Sep 13 05:01:19 Anyway, I thought the exploding thing was a fizz or something Sep 13 05:01:42 "Sir, we're out of grenades!" "OK soldier, plug in the Note 7 and throw that!" Sep 13 05:02:24 Leeds maybe NK didn't detonate nuke after all ... Sep 13 05:02:42 Though, Mr. Ramirez will be a rich man after he finishes suing Samsung Sep 13 05:02:47 <_genuser_> I'm using a cheap galaxy alpha Sep 13 05:02:58 VerbalKint: Islam isn't a race. It's comprised of many races. Sep 13 05:03:21 piousminion: X_X Sep 13 05:03:46 Anyway, not in the mood for politics this morning Sep 13 05:04:55 Wonder how fast those burns will heal and if the scars will be noticeable because if the damage is minimal in the long run and if it gets me millions of dollars of cash from suing Samsung, I want an exploding phone too :D Sep 13 05:06:16 "The attorneys hope to get Ramirez “in excess of $15,000”"? The fuck? I thought you'd get millions :O Sep 13 05:06:50 surprisingly no, unless it has an effect on your career Sep 13 05:06:51 VerbalKint: That's the monety for the lawyers. Sep 13 05:07:08 loke: oh Sep 13 05:12:22 I guess I'm going back to Genymotion. Shame you can't get play store on 1st party emu. :/ Sep 13 05:14:35 Quick question: those of you who are freelancers, do you do your own design or do you acquire designers for your projects? Sep 13 05:27:15 Great, Genymotion can't find my vbox install. :( Sep 13 05:27:46 piousminion screw genymotion, use avd Sep 13 05:28:16 Afzal: I'd love to, but I can't figure out how to get the play store on it. Sep 13 05:28:23 ah Sep 13 05:28:34 there's play store in geny motion? Sep 13 05:28:56 <_genuser_> hmm, sounds like I'm mis-using cards in my app. Sep 13 05:29:16 <_genuser_> I'm using them for the cool UI factor, but that's not what material design doc says they're for. Sep 13 05:29:25 Afzal: Not by default, but you can easily flash a zip that contains it. Sep 13 05:29:53 hm Sep 13 05:30:17 _genuser_ I'm gonna make my custom snackbar completely going away from material spec Sep 13 05:30:39 <_genuser_> Afzal: oh? not liking the default implementation by google? Sep 13 05:31:03 screw that, I don't know why they even bother making those classes final when they always come around to implement more advanced things that they restricted from implementing Sep 13 05:31:49 nah, I want to use the Snackbar as a bluetooth status sort of thing, to disconnect, scan, connect, etc, and bottom sheet to choose the scanned devices Sep 13 05:32:20 but I want to use the same snackbar instance, don't like the queued dismiss/show behavior Sep 13 05:32:45 <_genuser_> one of the biggest problems, I think was making the material design a spec only. Sep 13 05:33:05 <_genuser_> they should have released an implementation of everything so each user isn't left to make one on their own. Sep 13 05:33:11 Any channels on this server I can go to for app design? Sep 13 05:33:35 <_genuser_> each person implements it slightly differently from someone else who implements another component of material design. Sep 13 05:33:39 really struggling with designing my main screen activity Sep 13 05:34:11 <_genuser_> and material design itself is really clean and nice looking. Well adjusted padding, and margins. would be nice if you can hit the ground running with it instead of fishign for implementations. Sep 13 05:34:34 Faizan: I'm just starting freelacing and have done my own design, but it looks amateurish tbh Sep 13 05:34:56 Yeah exactly the same with me Sep 13 05:35:16 I spend ages refining the smallest things and would prefer to just pay someone to design one screen for me Sep 13 05:35:56 <_genuser_> I know what you mean. I change padding, relaunch (build, install apk on device), navigate to the activity, and repeat the whoel process Sep 13 05:36:13 Faizan: mind PM'ing me a screenshot? Sep 13 05:36:19 oh Sep 13 05:36:19 god Sep 13 05:36:22 hold on Sep 13 05:36:32 <_genuser_> the AS widget designer is very nice. Help see a lot of the layout right there. but somethings can only be seen in action. Sep 13 05:40:30 <_genuser_> oh wait, Material Design is called a "design language". Sep 13 05:40:35 what Sep 13 05:43:09 _genuser_ don't even start about the different layouts lol, phone layout, tablet layout, desktop layout Sep 13 05:45:19 tv layout Sep 13 05:45:54 saying that, android tv boxes aren't that common Sep 13 05:45:58 atleast here in uk Sep 13 05:48:11 not anywhere Sep 13 06:10:08 How come I can check if the device has internet access through ConnectivityManager without the ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE permission? Sep 13 06:10:36 Every google search says that it's needed and I put it in there just to be sure, but now I removed it and it works without it Sep 13 06:40:24 Ugh, no matter what fonts I choose, they all look like crap Sep 13 06:42:00 check out proggy fonts Sep 13 06:43:26 squ: talking about fonts for my app Sep 13 06:43:51 find designer Sep 13 06:43:59 stop doing design yourself Sep 13 06:44:03 squ: I am the designer :P Sep 13 06:44:11 find better designer :P Sep 13 06:44:13 I saw your design Sep 13 06:44:22 squ: latest one? Sep 13 06:45:03 squ: and I know that it sucks, but it's passable and I'm fine with that Sep 13 06:45:34 then quit bothering us Sep 13 06:46:11 squ: now that I know that I'm bothering you, I won't stop yakking :P Sep 13 06:59:58 #EliteBNC Sep 13 07:09:41 I have the problem that mBaseView is null in this line: mBaseView = getLayoutInflater().inflate(R.layout.main_activity_layout, null); I checked that the resource main_activity_layout is part of the apk, but for some reason the inflation returns null. With maven build this line worked fine, with gradle it fails. Any ideas how to fix it? Sep 13 07:16:05 Where can I see the parameters required for an API call for each scope? Sep 13 07:16:19 It seems like the ids don't match Sep 13 07:16:26 The id of the layout during debug does not match the on in R Sep 13 07:17:57 Maybe because I have multiple apks using the same ids Sep 13 07:19:59 Or is there a way for me to add another scope to an existing token? Sep 13 07:25:56 <_genuser_> lol, I created a java class that extends itself (because I used refactor feature and didn't read the declaration). Sep 13 07:26:01 <_genuser_> crashed AS Sep 13 07:31:59 Looks like this bug https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=71233 S: Sep 13 07:42:05 Swap parameters in AS with Alt+Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right, it's amazing Sep 13 08:08:56 <_genuser_> dang callbacks. there's a callback in every freaking namespace. makes it harder to add my own. Sep 13 08:09:20 I have htc desire 820 dual sim(non root). I was using chrome and suddenly the phone hung, rebooted and stuck into loop. I removed SIM, sd card and rebooted, it worked. I disabled chrome and used some other apps , everything was fine. Then afger sometime when I tried unlocking screen phone was OFF. Now its not turning ON, I tried recovery reboot, factory reset, but it just goes into logo and stay there . Any suggestions? I am on lin Sep 13 08:11:59 gulzar: I assume it is not standard rom Sep 13 08:12:18 Marlinski: its orginial, stock , HTC 6.0 ROM Sep 13 08:12:46 gulzar: I would suggest posting on xda forums :) Sep 13 08:13:17 Marlinski: XDA for this model are as good as dead. Similar proplem was posted a month ago but no reply Sep 13 08:14:05 any general guess from experience , what might be the problem? Sep 13 08:14:15 even the orginial recovery opetions are failing Sep 13 08:15:12 gulzar: can you still have access to the recovery menu ? Sep 13 08:15:22 Marlinski: yes Sep 13 08:16:04 so you can still flash partitions with fastboot Sep 13 08:16:46 will check again if such option is there Sep 13 08:17:28 fastboot from computer side Sep 13 08:17:35 it allows you to flash some partitions Sep 13 08:17:51 I guess you already tried to wipe dalvik cache ? Sep 13 08:18:49 the options in recovery are: 1) FASTBOOT 2)RECOVERY 3) SIMLOCK 4)CHECK SMARTSD 5) IMAGE SRC 6) SHOW BARCODE Sep 13 08:19:11 Marlinski: on older phone wiping cache used to solve problems Sep 13 08:19:22 its art bot dalvik Sep 13 08:19:26 *not Sep 13 08:19:43 no option to format partitions Sep 13 08:19:49 if you connect it to your pc what does fastboot command tells you ? Sep 13 08:20:03 fastboot devices Sep 13 08:21:22 (fastboot is a utility program that runs on the PC, like adb) Sep 13 08:22:03 yes its isntalled Sep 13 08:22:11 nothing, no output Sep 13 08:22:29 go into fastboot mode and try again Sep 13 08:22:43 I mean on the android go into fastboot mode, and try again fastboot devices on the pc Sep 13 08:22:50 SH4AVYC00903 fastboot Sep 13 08:22:57 ok try fastboot erase cache Sep 13 08:23:28 done Sep 13 08:23:34 though it is not the dalvik cache (which is i /data/dalvik-cache) it might just work Sep 13 08:23:56 so reboot? Sep 13 08:24:01 yes try Sep 13 08:24:13 if it doesn't work and you really are stuck in a boot loop, then you'll have to spend some time to fix it Sep 13 08:24:23 it will probably require flashing the recovery with a custom one Sep 13 08:24:40 but every device is different, some are more painful than others, no real recipe Sep 13 08:24:53 for that I have to unlock bootloader, then flash the recovery Sep 13 08:24:54 :( Sep 13 08:25:01 yeah something like this Sep 13 08:25:26 with my old htc desire, I had to short two pins using a piece of copper at the right moment for exactly the right amount of time Sep 13 08:25:43 on other devices it was as straightforward as copying file over Sep 13 08:25:43 that's something new Sep 13 08:26:05 with samsung its was the best experience to play with ROMs Sep 13 08:26:16 yeah, very easy on Galaxy S Sep 13 08:26:29 there is no cyanogenmod for htc 820 so never thought of rooting or custom recovery Sep 13 08:26:47 its still at logo, no progress Sep 13 08:27:32 you'll have to dig deep into various forums ^^ Sep 13 08:27:44 Marlinski: ok, Thank You Sep 13 08:28:07 I have two recipe for htc desire and htc sensation Sep 13 08:28:14 I wrote them when I found a solution Sep 13 08:28:21 but I doubt it will be same thing for your htc Sep 13 08:29:05 nothing bad to learn new things :) Sep 13 08:29:38 gulzar: https://paste.imirhil.fr/?a0d1d26a9b9ead5c#OEhJSXvxcy9wMOVromSvH9UBcwIixIF01rZbnzBtirY= Sep 13 08:29:53 that was the solution that worked for me for those two devices Sep 13 08:30:04 as you can see, htc seems to be quiet convoluted :) Sep 13 08:32:20 gulzar: I have to warn you though that doing this might brick your phone Sep 13 08:32:32 Marlinski: thank you for those steps. I will take care Sep 13 08:32:46 gulzar: brick as in, your phone might very well be just as good as a brick Sep 13 08:32:55 I bricked two devices myself already Sep 13 08:32:57 Marlinski: But I think sony is worst than HTC. we need to flash rom then flash kernel Sep 13 08:34:46 so if that happens, you can only complain to yourself :p Sep 13 08:34:56 Marlinski: thank you. I need to eat something, my brain is not working Sep 13 08:35:03 bon appetit Sep 13 08:40:04 hey Sep 13 08:41:45 <_genuser_> can I get a fiew of the application root folder over adb? Sep 13 08:49:46 _genuser_ if its the emulator, yes, if a phone you probably need root Sep 13 09:05:11 Anyone have it where your Genymotion device shows up in the device list, and then compilation completes, and then... nothing? Sep 13 09:05:27 I have Genymotion set to be using the same ADB that android studio is, and I've restarted and stuff Sep 13 09:06:03 Some days it works, but some days it doens't Sep 13 09:26:40 anyone here recommend Fastlane? Sep 13 09:26:45 https://docs.fastlane.tools/getting-started/android/setup/ Sep 13 09:28:41 <_genuser_> raoul11: oh, I see. I remember being able to pull sqlite3 dbs off the devides for my app years ago. Sep 13 09:33:17 Hello, I changed the structure of my project (renamed packages). I did the rename on each occurence of my project, but when I try to launch the application, I still have the error : Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Didn't find class "com.statigest.gestdoc.statigest.gestdoc.Activities.MainActivity" on path: DexPathList Sep 13 09:33:19 Napalm: Hello! I managed to adapt your code to my needs. It requires yet another round of refactoring to be clean but it's working. Thanks again! Sep 13 09:47:52 anyone has some idea what the answer might be ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39466674/simplest-way-to-display-a-zoomable-svg-in-android Sep 13 09:48:06 what is the simplest way to display a zoomable svg ? Sep 13 09:48:13 is it webview ? Sep 13 09:49:48 joco42: what does your SVG contain? Sep 13 09:50:02 just a picture + picture Sep 13 09:50:05 two pictures Sep 13 09:50:14 relative to each other Sep 13 09:50:22 pictures as in bitmaps? Sep 13 09:50:28 yes Sep 13 09:50:29 bitmap Sep 13 09:50:40 one large picture Sep 13 09:50:44 and one small picture Sep 13 09:50:47 why don't you just display the bitmaps and forget about SVG? Sep 13 09:50:56 well, that is kinda wasteful Sep 13 09:51:11 wasteful is using SVG to display only two bitmaps Sep 13 09:51:23 the small picture needs to be high resolution Sep 13 09:51:26 the problem is Sep 13 09:51:38 small picture is 10 times smaller than large Sep 13 09:51:41 scaled down Sep 13 09:51:52 so if i want the small picture in full resolution Sep 13 09:51:57 when zoomed in Sep 13 09:52:08 then the large picture needs to be upscaled Sep 13 09:52:16 to 10 times Sep 13 09:52:19 what has this to do with using SVG? Sep 13 09:52:30 svg does this efficiently Sep 13 09:52:34 Hi there. Sep 13 09:52:41 you are using SVG to scale and place to bitmaps Sep 13 09:52:43 it is designed for this Sep 13 09:52:46 no Sep 13 09:52:53 among other things Sep 13 09:52:53 do you know what's a bitmap? Sep 13 09:52:59 yeah Sep 13 09:53:02 i know Sep 13 09:53:15 say you have 2 images Sep 13 09:53:17 then you are missing something else Sep 13 09:53:21 1000x1000 pixels Sep 13 09:53:36 but one image is scaled to 100x100 pixel wide Sep 13 09:53:48 but still has full 1000x1000 resolution Sep 13 09:53:58 it is only transformed Sep 13 09:54:02 <_genuser_> you guys do profile pictures for you users of your apps? Sep 13 09:54:47 i found nothing that can do this without waste... except for webview Sep 13 09:54:49 joco42: either you don't know the difference between vector and bitmap graphics or you lack some other piece of information. I can't help you beyond this. Sorry Sep 13 09:55:07 yeah, its ok, i go with webview.... Sep 13 09:55:11 thanks Sep 13 09:55:24 can I see your SVG? Sep 13 09:55:29 lemme see Sep 13 09:55:30 the source Sep 13 09:55:33 i make an example Sep 13 09:55:46 hi I have a question. I am writing an app for android and I want to use slf4j logback for android. Usually for android smartphone it is true that some people don't have internte connection enabled all the time. So I want to log to the syslog all events (through ssl) when internet is available, and it isn't log to the file or db - all async except from warnings, errors and wtfs Sep 13 09:56:08 is such log appender available or I have to write own appender Sep 13 09:56:09 ? Sep 13 09:58:02 oh weird, it actually worked by disabling Instant Run Sep 13 09:58:03 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35312867/gradle-build-info-xml-not-found-for-module-app-in-android-studio Sep 13 09:58:14 That doesn't explain why sometimes it would work and sometimes it wouldn't before Sep 13 09:58:18 but I guess this is something Sep 13 09:59:24 http://tutorials.jenkov.com/svg/svg-transformation.html Sep 13 09:59:30 arancio: ^ Sep 13 09:59:43 just using img instead of rect Sep 13 10:00:05 in Sep 13 10:00:29 svg is useful for all sorts of stuff Sep 13 10:01:19 joco42: sorry but you are misusing SVG and you are complicating your life. Unless there is really something your are not saying, you are doing something stupid thinking that it's smart. Please don't take it personally. Sep 13 10:01:33 hmmm Sep 13 10:01:35 really? Sep 13 10:01:37 joco42: I don't want to insult you Sep 13 10:01:45 strange Sep 13 10:01:46 I really think so Sep 13 10:01:52 why? Sep 13 10:02:00 what is wrong with svg? Sep 13 10:02:12 i cannot see a simpler way Sep 13 10:02:13 you can achieve the same result just by placing and scaling two ImageViews in an appropriate container Sep 13 10:02:20 right Sep 13 10:02:28 but then how do i zoom and pan that ? Sep 13 10:02:31 SVG can't do it any better Sep 13 10:02:40 can I zoom the container ? Sep 13 10:02:52 zooming and panning is the issue here Sep 13 10:03:11 but SVG won't do it. the view displaying the SVG will do it and you don't have one. Sep 13 10:03:21 You either program the zoom and pan by yourself or you can probably find a container that does it for you Sep 13 10:03:27 webview Sep 13 10:03:31 with a js lib Sep 13 10:03:52 like this https://github.com/ariutta/svg-pan-zoom Sep 13 10:03:52 zooming and panning is easy. you have to program the interaction or find a library that does that for you Sep 13 10:04:10 hmm Sep 13 10:04:12 right Sep 13 10:04:16 you are just programming in javascript instead of Java Sep 13 10:04:21 well Sep 13 10:04:27 that is not a problem Sep 13 10:04:35 i am flexible Sep 13 10:04:41 if that's not a problem for you and it fits your needs. Go for it. Sep 13 10:04:52 I would not do it. But I'm not you Sep 13 10:05:05 i plan to switch to ionic at some point.... Sep 13 10:05:14 so js is ok Sep 13 10:06:56 You don't have much programming experience, do you? Sep 13 10:07:18 Anyway, if that works for you, go for it. Sep 13 10:10:00 no, only 10k hours Sep 13 10:10:02 :) Sep 13 10:10:58 10k hours is quite a bit of programming. I don't understand how you could say what you said above. Anyway, wish you the best with your project! :-) Sep 13 10:11:22 but anyway... out of box thinking is apparently frowned upon in some circles.... Sep 13 10:12:01 but that is useful... as well Sep 13 10:12:20 as long as my competition is not out having too many out of box thinkers.... Sep 13 10:12:36 what's thinking "out of the box" for someone it's lazy thinking for someone else Sep 13 10:12:48 true Sep 13 10:12:49 lazy Sep 13 10:13:00 or cost effective Sep 13 10:13:20 if u wanna be competitive Sep 13 10:13:27 u need to be cost and time effective Sep 13 10:13:30 let's not discuss this further. If your solution is ok for you, we will both happy. If it's not ok, you'll have made a prototype and you'll try another solution Sep 13 10:13:44 it doesn't matter Sep 13 10:13:49 yeah, need to try it Sep 13 10:14:04 please report back, if you like and good work! Sep 13 10:14:23 have a nice day Sep 13 10:14:31 yeah, if someone has some other opinion, let me know Sep 13 10:14:39 someone else i mean Sep 13 10:15:05 one opinion is 1 opinion Sep 13 10:16:49 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12479859/view-with-horizontal-and-vertical-pan-drag-and-pinch-zoom Sep 13 10:17:19 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20225265/pinch-zoom-and-pan/20226476#20226476 Sep 13 10:18:15