**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 14 02:59:58 2016
Sep 14 03:00:05 <HoloPed> Hey all, anyone working with JNI stuff? I'm trying to load an SO library and I get this error, which I don't understand
Sep 14 03:00:10 <HoloPed> dlopen failed: cannot locate symbol "__aeabi_memcpy"
Sep 14 03:02:01 <Faizan> is it possible to create a layout-xxhdpi folder?
Sep 14 03:02:14 <Faizan> or should i be using sw<n>dp, w<n>dp etc
Sep 14 03:02:15 <pfn> it makes no sense to
Sep 14 03:02:41 <Faizan> what about for drawables?
Sep 14 03:03:01 <Faizan> for example if I have drawables-xhdpi, and drawables-sw600dp, which one is more specific?
Sep 14 03:06:02 <Faizan> anyone?
Sep 14 03:19:07 <JakeWharton> the precedence rules are documented
Sep 14 03:20:15 <JakeWharton> https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/providing-resources.html#QualifierRules
Sep 14 03:20:41 <JakeWharton> https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/providing-resources.html#table2
Sep 14 03:20:57 <JakeWharton> > Table 2 lists the valid configuration qualifiers, in order of precedence—if you use multiple qualifiers for a resource directory, you must add them to the directory name in the order they are listed in the table.
Sep 14 03:33:24 <g00s> "Andreessen noted that researchers are currently using “Grand Theft Auto V” to teach their artificial intelligence algorithms how to drive (among other games)." :O
Sep 14 03:38:16 <VerbalKint> g00s: as in datamining players?!
Sep 14 03:40:59 <g00s> no, as in supervised learning
Sep 14 03:42:40 <g00s> tensorflow has GPU support, i wonder how this works on android ... or doesn't
Sep 14 03:42:42 <VerbalKint> Oh
Sep 14 03:52:36 <arancio> Wow, pfn called JakeWharton an "asshat".
Sep 14 03:55:36 <surf2b1> Is there a way to disable AS from prompting me to sync gralde? That popup is so annoying when it's not necessary to sync.
Sep 14 03:55:54 <tx> you can work offline
Sep 14 03:56:13 <JakeWharton> arancio: who's pfn?
Sep 14 03:57:48 <arancio> surf2b1: I don't know hot to disable it but it happens rarely to me. Only when I actually change the gradle scripts. Is there something wrong in your system?
Sep 14 03:58:30 <surf2b1> arancio, it only happens when I modify a .gradle file. However, still annoying.
Sep 14 04:00:32 <arancio> surf2b1: ok. Sorry I can't help you. In my experience it is necessary to allow a correct analysis of the source code. Unless it's possible to have gradle synchronized automatically without a prompt
Sep 14 04:01:47 <arancio> surf2b1: tx said "you can work offline". If was a suggestion for you, probably. There is a "Offline work" setting for gradle. No idea of what it does
Sep 14 04:03:15 <Faizan> is adding a product icon to the app bar not a thing anymore?
Sep 14 04:04:11 <arancio> I guess so
Sep 14 04:04:33 <arancio> so not Material
Sep 14 04:05:08 <Faizan> booo
Sep 14 04:05:11 <Faizan> it looked nice
Sep 14 04:08:36 <arancio> Material is inspired to real objects and real objects don't have the brand stamped all over them... wait, no, they do
Sep 14 04:10:59 <arancio> I was wondering, do the missing pixels corresponding to the rounded corners of the iPhone 7 have an associated place in memory? Did Apple invent memory blocks with round corners too?
Sep 14 04:14:36 <loke> arancio: Yes. It stems all the way back to teh first version of Macos
Sep 14 04:15:00 <loke> Look at the top left and right corners here:
Sep 14 04:15:00 <loke> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/50/Apple_Macintosh_Desktop.png/300px-Apple_Macintosh_Desktop.png
Sep 14 04:15:52 <Leeds> loke! You survived?
Sep 14 04:15:59 <loke> Of course :-)
Sep 14 04:16:02 <loke> Back in SG now.
Sep 14 04:16:16 <Leeds> good trip?
Sep 14 04:16:28 <loke> Leeds: Yeah, not complaining.
Sep 14 04:16:36 <loke> Now I realise that I need to go mountain biking in HK
Sep 14 04:16:48 <Leeds> next time
Sep 14 04:17:00 <loke> Also, I'm curious as to why so much of the HK land has not been built up. Not complaining, just wondering.
Sep 14 04:18:18 <Leeds> a lot of what it's built up is steep hills, or islands, or out of the city
Sep 14 04:19:26 <Leeds> er, a lot of what isn't build up...
Sep 14 04:20:37 <Leeds> out of built-up areas, the standard 'village house' is 3 floors, either divided, or used as an extended family home
Sep 14 04:21:39 <loke> Leeds: Are those affordable?
Sep 14 04:21:58 <Leeds> they're a lot cheaper than urban homes, yeah
Sep 14 04:22:33 <loke> Why aren't more people staying there? Is it like my house, taking an hour to get to town?
Sep 14 04:22:51 <loke> (without car)
Sep 14 04:23:01 <Leeds> 'villages' vary wildly in their level of development and accessibility, some are not particularly friendly to outsiders...
Sep 14 04:23:59 <VerbalKint> Leeds: yeah, brits can be like that
Sep 14 04:24:13 <Leeds> some have a 5 minute local bus ride to a fast train, some have 1 30-minute bus per hour to change to a longer bus
Sep 14 04:24:31 <Leeds> VerbalKint: brits?
Sep 14 04:24:37 <VerbalKint> Leeds: :D
Sep 14 04:24:53 <VerbalKint> Leeds: was a joke :P
Sep 14 04:26:14 <justJanne> Leeds: but couldn't you just get around from village to village or to the next fast train by bike?
Sep 14 04:26:41 <Leeds> bike?
Sep 14 04:26:44 <justJanne> It can't be much more than a few kilometers distance at worst, so bike+ride seems useful
Sep 14 04:26:47 <justJanne> Normal bicycle
Sep 14 04:27:07 <Leeds> justJanne: you often go biking in 30+ degrees, 95%+ humidity, tropical rain?
Sep 14 04:27:13 <loke> Leeds: I do.
Sep 14 04:27:20 <Leeds> loke: yeah, but you're weird
Sep 14 04:27:48 <loke> 30+ and 95% humidity is perfectly normal weather. As long as there is a shower in the office there is no problem.
Sep 14 04:27:51 <Leeds> loke: and for your commute? shopping? or for fun?
Sep 14 04:27:55 <justJanne> Well, about every day in summer as kid I biked in 32°C and 95℅ humidity
Sep 14 04:28:02 <justJanne> Just no tropical rain
Sep 14 04:28:04 <Leeds> shower in the office? who's going to pay for that?
Sep 14 04:28:10 <loke> I want to bike to the office, but my current location makes that infeasibile.
Sep 14 04:28:10 <justJanne> Bout 4km to school, 4km back
Sep 14 04:28:27 <justJanne> And my neighbors, several of them PhDs, bike to their offices, too
Sep 14 04:28:40 <loke> justJanne: What country are you in?
Sep 14 04:29:01 <justJanne> Northern Germany, but I tell you, we really get those temperatures in summee.
Sep 14 04:29:04 <justJanne> *summer
Sep 14 04:29:29 <justJanne> Although only since around a decade or two
Sep 14 04:29:50 <justJanne> But dunno, I've only lived on this planet for two decades
Sep 14 04:29:50 <Leeds> anyway, no, people don't commute by bike here - there are a couple of areas out of town that have infrastructure for recreational biking - we go sometimes in winter, rent a bike for the afternoon
Sep 14 04:29:51 <loke> justJanne: It's standard everyday wether here in Singapore.
Sep 14 04:30:19 <justJanne> Loke: that's why I wanna move to SG, you guys have always summer.
Sep 14 04:30:23 <loke> Leeds: Biking has started to take of in SG in the last few years. The givernment is also trying to encourage it more.
Sep 14 04:30:31 <Leeds> justJanne: you know what 'summer' means in the tropics, right?
Sep 14 04:30:36 <justJanne> Here it's 9 months of the year 15°C and rain
Sep 14 04:30:46 <justJanne> You guys have 30°C and rain
Sep 14 04:30:54 <justJanne> Just like we do in summer.
Sep 14 04:31:00 <loke> justJanne: I'm from Sweden originally. Trust me, I know how ohrrible European wether is.
Sep 14 04:31:45 <loke> In particular, northern European.
Sep 14 04:31:50 <justJanne> Leeds: hot weather and rain, a friend from singapore said
Sep 14 04:32:02 <justJanne> Oh, and humidity
Sep 14 04:32:04 <VerbalKint> Only 32C? Here in southern Romanian we get days with 40C during the summer
Sep 14 04:32:06 <Faizan> Come to Scotland
Sep 14 04:32:11 <justJanne> Sounds awesome
Sep 14 04:32:12 <Faizan> and you'll experience the most miserable weather ever
Sep 14 04:32:15 <Faizan> we have sun once a year
Sep 14 04:32:17 <Leeds> lots and lots of rain
Sep 14 04:32:22 <Leeds> and I say that as a Brit
Sep 14 04:32:23 <loke> justJanne: There is lots of rain, but it's not horrible rain. A rainfall typically doesn't last long, and everything is completely dry 10 minutes later.
Sep 14 04:32:54 <justJanne> So, your weather would be described as "showery"
Sep 14 04:32:59 <Leeds> loke: we got stuck in a chicken rice shop by the river last time, waiting for the rain to finish
Sep 14 04:33:03 <loke> justJanne: I guess it could, yeah.
Sep 14 04:33:12 <VerbalKint> justJanne: why would you switch *Germany* for Singapore? Don't you know that except for the tourist and rich people zones the country is poor as hell?
Sep 14 04:33:24 <loke> VerbalKint: Which country?
Sep 14 04:33:25 <Faizan> Leeds: are you actually from Leeds?
Sep 14 04:33:34 <loke> VerbalKint: Germany is poor as hell?
Sep 14 04:33:37 <Leeds> Faizan: yes
Sep 14 04:33:48 <VerbalKint> loke: no, Singapore
Sep 14 04:33:53 <loke> VerbalKint: That's not true.
Sep 14 04:33:55 <justJanne> VerbalKint: you realize singapore gained independence decades ago?
Sep 14 04:33:57 <Faizan> I was down there 2 weeks ago for the cricket
Sep 14 04:34:01 <Faizan> miserable place :D
Sep 14 04:34:29 <VerbalKint> justJanne: oh Christ, just looked it up right now and it seems to be an Asian tax haven
Sep 14 04:34:41 <Leeds> Faizan: I went to school in Headingley
Sep 14 04:34:44 <justJanne> Well, it's not a tax haven technically
Sep 14 04:34:52 <Faizan> Ah nic. That's where I was at
Sep 14 04:34:53 <justJanne> Look at their taxes
Sep 14 04:34:56 <Faizan> Trent Bridge as well
Sep 14 04:35:06 <VerbalKint> justJanne: just a tiny nation :P
Sep 14 04:35:07 <justJanne> Car tax was what, 300k a year?
Sep 14 04:35:13 <loke> VerbalKint: I've lived in singapore more well over a decade now, and sure, the taxes are pretty low, but calling it tax haven is not true.
Sep 14 04:35:32 <justJanne> VerbalKint: they started as the port between asia and europe.
Sep 14 04:35:49 <justJanne> Now China wants to build a canal through malaysia, to cut them out of the trade route
Sep 14 04:35:52 <VerbalKint> Yeah, just like Liechtenstein isn't a tax haven here in Europe either
Sep 14 04:36:26 <justJanne> Well, they're more like the dutch
Sep 14 04:36:30 <VerbalKint> I mean, why would capitalists exploit tiny nations with low populations with easily exploitable banks?
Sep 14 04:36:47 <VerbalKint> And by exploit I mean use them
Sep 14 04:36:51 <justJanne> A bit tax haven, a bit port, a bit actual 3rd sector
Sep 14 04:37:10 <VerbalKint> They have their own laws, their own nation, their own banks, they're a tax haven
Sep 14 04:37:36 <justJanne> Then why isn't hamburg a tax haven?
Sep 14 04:37:46 <loke> Given the fact that you started out saying Singapore is "poor as hell" thus proving that you actually know nothing about the place, makes me wonder exactly what point you are trying to argue.
Sep 14 04:37:54 <justJanne> States in Germany can set their own taxes independently,
Sep 14 04:37:59 <VerbalKint> justJanne: it's a city
Sep 14 04:38:03 <justJanne> Can writ most of their own laws
Sep 14 04:38:12 <justJanne> VerbalKint: it's also a state in Germany,
Sep 14 04:38:29 <justJanne> With the right to set its own laws, tax rates, etc
Sep 14 04:38:32 <VerbalKint> justJanne: then why is there this pattern of tiny, independent states being tax havens?
Sep 14 04:38:42 <VerbalKint> justJanne: no federal law to combat that?
Sep 14 04:38:46 <justJanne> Nope.
Sep 14 04:39:07 <VerbalKint> justJanne: maybe because tiny, independent states are more easy to manage :P
Sep 14 04:39:21 <justJanne> There's a village in bavaria where half of IT companies are technically HQd with I think 0.3% corporate tax?
Sep 14 04:39:48 <VerbalKint> justJanne: http://www.taxhavens.biz/other_tax_havens/tax_haven_singapore/
Sep 14 04:39:50 <justJanne> So, why isn't such a thing true about every micronation or microstate?
Sep 14 04:40:52 <squ> what is offtopic topic today?
Sep 14 04:40:55 <VerbalKint> justJanne: uh... it is?
Sep 14 04:41:20 <justJanne> That's what you call a tax haven?
Sep 14 04:41:24 <VerbalKint> justJanne: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35998801
Sep 14 04:41:26 <justJanne> The dutch have lower taxes,
Sep 14 04:41:31 <justJanne> And the fucking irish
Sep 14 04:41:36 <squ> european microstates can't write shit without american approval
Sep 14 04:41:50 <VerbalKint> justJanne: look at this list; most of them are micronations
Sep 14 04:41:53 <justJanne> Singapore has 18% corporate tax, only on local profits.
Sep 14 04:41:59 <justJanne> Like most nations do
Sep 14 04:42:12 <justJanne> Ireland does 12%, only on local profits
Sep 14 04:42:26 <justJanne> Netherlands are around 18%, too
Sep 14 04:42:46 <justJanne> Even parts of Germany (!) would be a tax haven by that definition
Sep 14 04:42:52 <VerbalKint> justJanne: and you're right about Germany it seems because the states indeed can make their own tax rates :P
Sep 14 04:43:08 <VerbalKint> justJanne: you're ranked as 8th on that list
Sep 14 04:43:36 <justJanne> Yet we have one of the largest tax budgets in the world,
Sep 14 04:43:44 <VerbalKint> justJanne: just admit that you're upper class and have lots of upper class friends :P
Sep 14 04:43:48 <justJanne> With dozens of billions in excess,
Sep 14 04:44:04 <justJanne> One of the best public healthcare systems,
Sep 14 04:44:05 <justJanne> Etc.
Sep 14 04:44:21 <justJanne> Calling Germany a tax haven really is a stretch
Sep 14 04:44:49 <justJanne> Schrödinger's Germany, one moment "communist bernie-topia", the next moment "tax haven"?
Sep 14 04:45:33 <Leeds> I pay around 8% tax here :D
Sep 14 04:45:48 <Leeds> paid my 2015/2016 tax last week, in fact...
Sep 14 04:47:11 <loke> Leeds: I pay about 12% I think
Sep 14 04:47:23 <loke> But HK is more of a tax haven than Singapore.
Sep 14 04:47:44 <VerbalKint> lol, this isn't about YOU guys, it's about the corporations and the really rich
Sep 14 04:47:50 <Leeds> all online, which is nice - request for tax return, submission of tax return, payment demand and payment
Sep 14 04:48:08 <Leeds> loke: significantly, HK has no military budget - that comes from China...
Sep 14 04:48:16 <loke> Singapore also have a progressive tax scale. It tops out at 20%,
Sep 14 04:49:01 <loke> Singapore military is supposedly one of the strongest in the world (by capita of course :-) )
Sep 14 04:49:25 <Leeds> HK has both a flat and progressive rate, you pay whichever is cheaper for you... and as I said, they tend to adjust the rates, or give significant discounts, based on each year's government surplus
Sep 14 04:50:02 <Novus> android developer?
Sep 14 04:50:33 <VerbalKint> Novus: bourgeoisie vs proletariat war right now. Android development later. :P
Sep 14 04:50:46 <justJanne> VerbalKint: in which case you'd open a Ltd in London,
Sep 14 04:50:57 <Novus> O.o
Sep 14 04:51:03 <justJanne> Or directly do a double Dutch
Sep 14 04:51:03 <Faizan> What's the simplest way to reduce button opacity on click
Sep 14 04:51:52 <justJanne> We did in a school class once, groups of 4, cooperating with a local bank, we'd create fictional companies, and set up real accounts for them and try to go as low tax as possible
Sep 14 04:52:12 <justJanne> Faizan: after click or during click?
Sep 14 04:52:16 <Faizan> during
Sep 14 04:52:34 <justJanne> For the background, use a statedrawable?
Sep 14 04:52:38 <Faizan> since after its clicked it launches a new activity
Sep 14 04:53:22 <Faizan> android:state_pressed?
Sep 14 04:53:23 <Faizan> okay
Sep 14 04:53:26 <Faizan> thanks
Sep 14 04:53:34 <loke> Leeds: But you also have no GST
Sep 14 04:53:55 <Leeds> loke: indeed... the government keeps trying to bring one in, and they get so much opposition that they drop it
Sep 14 04:54:14 <Leeds> well, they've tried at least a couple of times :)
Sep 14 04:55:10 <loke> To be honest, as much as I dislike GST, it's the most fair tax that I can think of.
Sep 14 04:55:15 <loke> Must more fair than income tax.
Sep 14 04:55:38 <loke> That said, the 25% GST in Sweden is just insane.
Sep 14 04:56:13 <justJanne> GST?
Sep 14 04:56:19 <justJanne> What's that?
Sep 14 04:57:16 <loke> justJanne: Sales Tax
Sep 14 04:57:27 <justJanne> If it's "general sales tax", then no, sweden doesn't have one
Sep 14 04:57:34 <loke> GST means Gsomething Sales tax :-)
Sep 14 04:57:39 <justJanne> Sweden has VAT
Sep 14 04:57:48 <loke> justJanne: Which is the same thing.
Sep 14 04:57:54 <justJanne> like the entire EU, per EU law, between 5 and 25%
Sep 14 04:57:57 <justJanne> No
Sep 14 04:58:07 <loke> GST means Goods and Services Tax actually.
Sep 14 04:58:13 <justJanne> A VAT applies only to sales to the last consumer
Sep 14 04:58:23 <loke> justJanne: Same
Sep 14 04:58:32 <justJanne> If I buy a product, and sell it again, i get the tax for buying back
Sep 14 04:58:35 <justJanne> With vat
Sep 14 04:58:38 <loke> justJanne: Same. Yes.
Sep 14 04:58:43 <justJanne>  With sales tax
Sep 14 04:58:53 <justJanne> *not with sales
Sep 14 04:59:08 <loke> justJanne: You just described, exactly, how GST wirks in Singapore.
Sep 14 04:59:12 <justJanne> Fucking android keyboard is dying here, constantly oom-ing and crashing
Sep 14 04:59:21 <justJanne> Then SG has a VAT
Sep 14 04:59:38 <justJanne> Not a sales tax
Sep 14 04:59:46 <justJanne> And a VAT is very unfair
Sep 14 05:00:15 <loke> https://www.iras.gov.sg/IRASHome/GST/GST-registered-businesses/Learning-the-basics/Goods-and-Services-Tax--GST---What-It-Is-and-How-It-Works/
Sep 14 05:00:39 <justJanne> For poor people, roughly 80-90% of their income is spent on items with VAT, so they are taxed 20% alone due to vat
Sep 14 05:00:58 <justJanne> For rich people, most of their money is spent on things that are not affected by VAT,
Sep 14 05:01:04 <justJanne> So they end up paying less
Sep 14 05:01:10 <loke> justJanne: What are those things that are not affected by the tex?
Sep 14 05:01:12 <loke> tax
Sep 14 05:01:27 <VerbalKint> justJanne: you have that anti-PM feature on your account? Sent you a PM
Sep 14 05:01:42 <tx> Hey guys
Sep 14 05:01:51 <tx> how do I programatically tell the OS that a wifi  network is not for internet
Sep 14 05:02:04 <tx> I am using wifi to connect to a local device only (adhoc)
Sep 14 05:02:10 <justJanne> Commonly, the money is saved in other countries and repatriated during repatriation events
Sep 14 05:02:16 <tx> and I don't want the OS to try to connect to the outside world using it.
Sep 14 05:02:20 <justJanne> tx: you can't, realky.
Sep 14 05:02:39 <tx> justJanne: you can by using the connectivitymanager if you have access to the code
Sep 14 05:02:41 <justJanne> Welcome to android, our slogan is "you can't"
Sep 14 05:02:44 <tx> but in this case it's for another app :P
Sep 14 05:03:17 <tx> aw well
Sep 14 05:03:20 <tx> time to look for hacks
Sep 14 05:03:41 <loke> justJanne: I noticed that at least in Nougat the phone will not try to connect to the Internet on a non-functioning WLAN connection. I noticed that when my home router had a cinfig issue and refused to route to the Internet.
Sep 14 05:04:02 <tx> it does this based on connectivity tests
Sep 14 05:04:09 <tx> I am configuring the AP programatically in my ap
Sep 14 05:04:12 <tx> app*
Sep 14 05:04:15 <loke> Instead, it kept the WLAN active (with a question amrk on the toolbar symbol) but used LTE for Internet.
Sep 14 05:04:25 <tx> and I want the "oh shit there's no internet on it" to be immediate
Sep 14 06:27:29 <VerbalKint> Is it good practice to check for an internet connection before trying to connect to google play games?
Sep 14 06:28:14 <VerbalKint> raoul11: shalom. The opera download train has crashed. Also, I think that I got even those few because Opera distributes to Yandex too.
Sep 14 06:28:41 <raoul11> crashed?
Sep 14 06:29:04 <VerbalKint> raoul11: as in it started going down instead of up :D
Sep 14 06:29:11 <Ashiren> it is usually good for check for internet connection before doing connection stuff
Sep 14 06:30:31 <raoul11> oh
Sep 14 06:31:30 <raoul11> try amazon VerbalKint
Sep 14 06:31:42 <VerbalKint> raoul11: I did. 2 downloads thus far. :D
Sep 14 06:31:47 <raoul11> i never uploaded there, but some of my games suddenly appeared re-packaged there
Sep 14 06:32:08 <VerbalKint> raoul11: repackaged as in someone stole them?
Sep 14 06:32:16 <raoul11> yep
Sep 14 06:32:38 <VerbalKint> Damn bastards
Sep 14 06:34:01 <raoul11> i only knew about it coz those games included some 3rd party sdk's (ad networks) and suddenly i had weird package names appearing on my accounds
Sep 14 06:34:54 <VerbalKint> raoul11: lol, did that mean that you were getting ad money from their clicks?
Sep 14 06:35:09 <raoul11> was barely no money, but yes
Sep 14 06:35:54 <VerbalKint> raoul11: then what's the point of them repackaging your apps?
Sep 14 06:36:14 <raoul11> i have no idea
Sep 14 06:36:26 <raoul11> it just happend like 4-5x
Sep 14 06:36:33 <_genuser_> hey android devs, what's shakin'?
Sep 14 06:37:31 <raoul11> hello
Sep 14 06:37:33 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: doing the ad hustlin' game. Gettin' money.
Sep 14 06:38:10 <_genuser_> api 19 is 27.7% distribution on api dashboard. The highest of any single api. I do'nt want to exclude it, but it's becoming quite annoying to code for it thigns that are easy in 21 and above.
Sep 14 06:38:16 <_genuser_> https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Sep 14 06:38:25 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: oh? what app are you writing?
Sep 14 06:38:53 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: have already written. Now I'm sucking at promoting it.
Sep 14 06:38:58 <VerbalKint> *written it
Sep 14 06:39:09 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: what is it, if you don't mind mentioning it here.
Sep 14 06:39:27 <Ashiren> ahh good ol, release the app, marketing later
Sep 14 06:39:51 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: what the app store needs right now: history trivia :D
Sep 14 06:39:57 <_genuser_> Ashiren: I'm at the write the app part. but same idea. heh, write, release, wait for money bit, lol.
Sep 14 06:40:57 <_genuser_> Ashiren: my last one tho, released it for free.
Sep 14 06:41:34 <raoul11> a lot of 21 stuff has been ported back _genuser_
Sep 14 06:41:48 <raoul11> god bless that quanky supportlib
Sep 14 06:42:11 <Ashiren> still its not the same
Sep 14 06:42:22 <Ashiren> kitkat is the new 2.3.3
Sep 14 06:42:27 <raoul11> lies
Sep 14 06:42:56 <VerbalKint> I'm supporting all the way from 4.0.4 :D
Sep 14 06:43:03 <raoul11> i thougt bout doing kitkat+, but those 18% share for 15-18 bugs me
Sep 14 06:43:23 <_genuser_> raoul11: except the rounting the image part... ugh, took me a long time. all night trying out xml based ideas. Finally just wrote a helper util that loads a circular image into an ImageView.
Sep 14 06:43:32 <Ashiren> if youre doing kitkat then why not 16+
Sep 14 06:43:37 <Ashiren> they dont differ much
Sep 14 06:44:50 <arancio> Guys, please stop mentioning sweets. I'm on a diet because I'm trying to lose weight but if you mention sweets I get hungry
Sep 14 06:44:54 <raoul11> why not ics plus?
Sep 14 06:45:44 <arancio> VerbalKint: did you store your trivia on SQLite?
Sep 14 06:45:46 <_genuser_> Ashiren: jelly bean and upward?
Sep 14 06:46:04 <_genuser_> Ashiren: I hadn't really thought of it, but it says it's only 5.6% of the distribution.
Sep 14 06:46:26 <_genuser_> 17 - 7.7% (kinda high) and 18 is 2.3%. waste of time if they cause more bugs.
Sep 14 06:46:35 <VerbalKint> arancio: yeah
Sep 14 06:46:50 <_genuser_> I would have honestly dropped support for 19 also.... excpet my Samsung Galaxy Alpha is API 19, LOL.
Sep 14 06:46:57 <_genuser_> my older tester phone is api 21!
Sep 14 06:47:46 <arancio> VerbalKint: and how do you seed the database?
Sep 14 06:48:02 <VerbalKint> arancio: seed? What?
Sep 14 06:48:36 <arancio> VerbalKint: how do you put the trivia in the db? where does the data come from?
Sep 14 06:48:59 <VerbalKint> arancio: you mean insert entries? I use sqlitebrowser
Sep 14 06:49:39 <arancio> VerbalKint: and the you install the db as an asset?
Sep 14 06:49:47 <VerbalKint> arancio: yeah
Sep 14 06:49:57 <arancio> VerbalKint: thanks!
Sep 14 06:49:59 <VerbalKint> arancio: just put it in the assets folder
Sep 14 06:51:03 <arancio> VerbalKint: my application doesn't need seeds at the moment. The database is on the server. I was just thinking to your one.
Sep 14 06:51:21 <arancio> VerbalKint: I'm reverse engineering it
Sep 14 06:51:37 <VerbalKint> arancio: :P
Sep 14 06:54:11 <VerbalKint> arancio: I read this https://developer.android.com/training/basics/data-storage/databases.html
Sep 14 06:55:34 <arancio> VerbalKint: yes, I read it too. Unfortunately many d.androind.com pages contain code snippets without context. I hate that
Sep 14 07:00:18 <arancio> VerbalKint: what's the demographic of your app?
Sep 14 07:00:53 <VerbalKint> arancio: anyone :D
Sep 14 07:01:16 <VerbalKint> What sticks
Sep 14 07:01:29 <arancio> :D
Sep 14 07:01:51 <arancio> I meant: does google play provide any statistics?
Sep 14 07:02:23 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: my friend was coding his app, and actually had the web site, android, ios apps all done, didn't push it out over team disagreements.
Sep 14 07:02:51 <_genuser_> but he actually hired out a marketing firm that said they have a launch plan. $5,000 and they'll create a plan to market it and push it out
Sep 14 07:03:18 <VerbalKint> arancio: can't seem to find one
Sep 14 07:04:05 <arancio> _genuser_: what kind of app, if I may ask?
Sep 14 07:06:24 <VerbalKint> arancio: 100% male, lol :D
Sep 14 07:06:43 <arancio> :-)
Sep 14 07:06:54 <arancio> VerbalKint: that's because of the nude pictures
Sep 14 07:07:01 <VerbalKint> arancio: of course :P
Sep 14 07:07:09 <arancio> VerbalKint: age?
Sep 14 07:07:18 <VerbalKint> arancio: 25-34 apparently
Sep 14 07:07:28 <VerbalKint> But who knows how many people just put random dates
Sep 14 07:07:36 <VerbalKint> I know I do
Sep 14 07:07:37 <arancio> right
Sep 14 07:08:47 <_genuser_> arancio: he was working on something called a waitergator. you can place your order for drinks and meal before you get to the restaurant.
Sep 14 07:09:32 <arancio> _genuser_: thanks
Sep 14 07:09:37 <_genuser_> arancio: once there, you can be seated, scan a barcode and get checked in on that table. you can then order from your phone and it pops up on the back computer, where they just make it and bring it out.
Sep 14 07:10:07 <_genuser_> I wasn't so hot on it, because half the point of all that is to pay your waiters nothing and then let them charm their way into big tips.
Sep 14 07:10:12 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: sounds like it would be hard to make restaurants cooperate
Sep 14 07:10:26 <_genuser_> if the people aren't gonna leave bit tips, workers will leave slowly. and you'll nix the app quickly.
Sep 14 07:10:39 <_genuser_> he was also trying to allow them to pay thru the app.
Sep 14 07:10:54 <_genuser_> so basically people come up, order something get served and have no interaction with any wait staff.
Sep 14 07:11:26 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: I told him the "get in waiting line" from the phone was good feature.
Sep 14 07:11:37 <_genuser_> ordering up drinks, appetizers ahead of getting there was good.
Sep 14 07:11:58 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: but did he get restaurants to cooperate?
Sep 14 07:12:05 <_genuser_> and then he can sell those stats to the restaurants so they can track, how long people wait in line. how many people order what, etc. etc.
Sep 14 07:12:12 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: no, he didn't get to launch.
Sep 14 07:12:17 <arancio> I read most of the app about restaurants are a failure
Sep 14 07:12:43 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: he wa was idea man. he had a bunch of devs coding all this for him (because he also does contracting and hires out devs).
Sep 14 07:12:53 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: ouch, 5k gone the drain
Sep 14 07:12:58 <_genuser_> he was using their free time mostly.
Sep 14 07:13:08 <_genuser_> no, had only paid the inital 500 for consulting so far.
Sep 14 07:13:17 <_genuser_> but don't worry he spent 30k on teh app itself.
Sep 14 07:13:38 <VerbalKint> lol
Sep 14 07:13:52 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: but he did it wrong too.
Sep 14 07:14:19 <_genuser_> he found a dev who wanted some partnership. the others devs were just doing it for a little bit of the share, etc. etc.
Sep 14 07:14:28 <_genuser_> the main dev was at his house EVERY weekend, working long hours.
Sep 14 07:14:48 <_genuser_> after all this when they're about to release it, my friend says he wants to split it like 70/30 or more. like 80/20.
Sep 14 07:15:13 <_genuser_> 80 for my friend and 20 for the dev who worked his ass off. spent his weekends away from his new kids and his wife and made this whole thing happen.
Sep 14 07:15:18 <_genuser_> "because it was his idea"
Sep 14 07:15:26 <_genuser_> the other guy wanted a 50/50 split.
Sep 14 07:15:55 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: sounds like it was headed for failure from the beginning. I mean, why would big name restaurants go through the trouble of setting up this infrastructure for his app when they're probably doing well already?
Sep 14 07:16:16 <_genuser_> so my friend dropped the whole idea, tried to phase the other guy out, most the app to some other company something.
Sep 14 07:16:29 <_genuser_> and said if they launch the other guy can come back as a contractor.
Sep 14 07:16:42 <_genuser_> I thought he really used the other guy. didn't like that whole bit about him.
Sep 14 07:17:38 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: I kinda think he could have make it work. stuff like get in waiting line. so your name is on the wait list. You arrive around the time and they announce your name, just go in.
Sep 14 07:17:53 <_genuser_> that would make your restaurant more appealing than the others where you have to show up and wait for 1hour in the lobby.
Sep 14 07:18:11 <_genuser_> if you can get an idea online about how long the wait it, etc. etc. that's useful.
Sep 14 07:18:49 <_genuser_> other than that, I think checking in at a table would be nice, so on busy nights you can just place orders from there. but maybe for just drinks or appetizers.
Sep 14 07:19:01 <_genuser_> main course and payments should all be done via servers, othewise, they'll lose out on tips and leave.
Sep 14 07:19:40 <Leeds> I suspect you would initially have to pay restaurants to use it
Sep 14 07:20:18 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: wouldn't there be legal thingies to be done in order for this to happen? I mean, it sounds like it would be cost inefficient to me.
Sep 14 07:21:30 <_genuser_> Leeds: probably.
Sep 14 07:21:35 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: not sure.
Sep 14 07:21:53 <_genuser_> he offered me to go in with him on the idea, but I didn't like it enough from the beginning.
Sep 14 07:22:01 <_genuser_> the only part I really do like it getting on the wait list.
Sep 14 07:22:12 <_genuser_> I have arrived at restaurants and spent 1hr+ waiting for a table.
Sep 14 07:22:15 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: http://www.waitergator.com/restaurants.html
Sep 14 07:22:26 <VerbalKint> "List of participating locations coming soon..."
Sep 14 07:22:35 <_genuser_> it never took off.
Sep 14 07:22:37 <VerbalKint> Yeah right :D
Sep 14 07:22:42 <_genuser_> I don't see where that list will be coming soon.
Sep 14 07:22:55 <_genuser_> all those models on the screen, people from his church.
Sep 14 07:23:05 <_genuser_> they paid all the photographers, etc. to do all that work.
Sep 14 07:23:20 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: but it's hella pixelated
Sep 14 07:23:34 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: and I'm using a 1366x768 monitor
Sep 14 07:23:43 <_genuser_> because those people aren't professional photographers, lol.
Sep 14 07:23:48 <_genuser_> his church friends who do photography.
Sep 14 07:24:03 <_genuser_> not even his church. He only goes to that church's bootcamp (morning workouts)
Sep 14 07:24:04 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: should've asked Jesus for some help *rimshot*
Sep 14 07:24:13 <_genuser_> he's not the religious type.
Sep 14 07:24:20 <_genuser_> just goes for the workout and then just friendship.
Sep 14 07:24:38 <_genuser_> he spent 30k almost.
Sep 14 07:24:48 <Leeds> goes to church for the workout? odd...
Sep 14 07:24:55 <_genuser_> built a server room in house ... behind a restroom.
Sep 14 07:25:11 <_genuser_> Leeds: no, the church has a "bootcamp", 5am workout meetup. He goes to that.
Sep 14 07:25:25 <VerbalKint> Yeah, I remember my religious days when I would workout with my priest on Sundays :P
Sep 14 07:25:43 <VerbalKint> Man could run like a bastard in that black robe!
Sep 14 07:25:45 <Leeds> VerbalKint: I thought you promised him you'd never talk about that
Sep 14 07:25:54 <_genuser_> so right behind a restroom he builds a server room, lays cables thru the walls, the floors, builds them like servers rooms so you can lift floor panels for cable access
Sep 14 07:26:09 <VerbalKint> Leeds: lol
Sep 14 07:26:11 <_genuser_> he buys 10k worth of server class machines, buys UPS
Sep 14 07:26:16 <VerbalKint> Leeds: touche :P
Sep 14 07:26:21 <_genuser_> and then tells the other guys, that he did all those for the "app business"
Sep 14 07:26:24 <Leeds> NO TOUCHEING!
Sep 14 07:26:29 <_genuser_> and tries to get him to foot half of the bill.
Sep 14 07:26:49 <_genuser_> he told me the other guy put in 10k. After their fight he says the other guys did just 3k.
Sep 14 07:26:51 <VerbalKint> Leeds: don't worry; Orthodox priests are allowed to marry so ours aren't paedophiles :P
Sep 14 07:27:25 <Leeds> it's good that you believe that
Sep 14 07:27:51 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: after that, he tells me, If you have any ideas, let me know, I'd love to help.
Sep 14 07:28:28 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: 10k worth of server class machines? Wtf
Sep 14 07:29:04 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: no-one told him to stop?
Sep 14 07:29:14 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: were you his friend? Why didn't you stop him?! :P
Sep 14 07:29:18 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: he's a tech junkie. he clearly spent the money for his personal enjoyment and then tried to get the dev to pay for it.
Sep 14 07:29:43 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: all this happened when I told I wasn't interested. And occassionally I'd ask how the business was going.
Sep 14 07:29:57 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: there's being a tech junkie and there's buying 10k servers when you could've managed with cheap VPS/hosting
Sep 14 07:30:17 <_genuser_> oh oh there's that too.
Sep 14 07:30:22 <arancio> Waitergator: the logo should have been an alligator eating a waiter
Sep 14 07:30:25 <_genuser_> he rents a colo somewhere too.
Sep 14 07:30:37 <_genuser_> where his servers are hosted.
Sep 14 07:30:43 <_genuser_> this is just his personal home network.
Sep 14 07:30:51 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: but the site goddamn sucks. I'm sorry to say this, but it sucks.
Sep 14 07:31:09 <_genuser_> it's mostly so teh restroom showers can steam some server class machiens because the darn server room is behind the shower room.
Sep 14 07:31:10 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: it's crazy to me that he could spend so much money so wrong
Sep 14 07:31:34 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: but really, you're gossiping like mad right now :P
Sep 14 07:31:39 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: don't have to be sorry. I dislike the long neverending scrolling sites.
Sep 14 07:32:06 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: yeah, I guess I'm bored. and before begining today's task (fixing .NET based back-end for my app), I'm indulging a little.
Sep 14 07:32:40 <_genuser_> part of the gossiping is also just talking about how I think he wrong a dev.
Sep 14 07:33:00 <_genuser_> so when an "idea man" approaches you so you can code everything for him, gotta be careful.
Sep 14 07:35:27 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: would never have believed that his idea would work
Sep 14 07:36:12 <_genuser_> that's why I didn't spend my nights coding up the front end for him. lol
Sep 14 07:40:53 <arancio> I'm getting this exception: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: invalid LIMIT clauses:LIMIT 1
Sep 14 07:40:54 <VerbalKint> Well, it's his... oh wait WAS his dime :D
Sep 14 07:41:09 <arancio> why is "LIMIT 1" an invalid LIMIT clause?
Sep 14 07:41:26 <VerbalKint> arancio: what's your query?
Sep 14 07:41:47 <arancio>         Cursor mCursor = database.query(
Sep 14 07:41:48 <arancio>                 true,
Sep 14 07:41:48 <arancio>                 BodyPartSelectionContract.BodyPartSelection.TABLE_NAME,
Sep 14 07:41:48 <arancio>                 allColumns,
Sep 14 07:41:48 <arancio>                 null, null, null, null,
Sep 14 07:41:48 <arancio>                 "ORDERBY " + BodyPartSelectionContract.BodyPartSelection.COLUMN_TIMESTAMP,
Sep 14 07:41:50 <arancio>                 "LIMIT 1"
Sep 14 07:41:52 <arancio>                 );
Sep 14 07:41:58 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: changing subjects for a minute. One of the defualt android projects creates an activity with "notitlebar" them. And then manually creates the AppBar, etc. etc. Have you seen that before?
Sep 14 07:42:33 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: it's a bug? No
Sep 14 07:42:55 <_genuser_> anybody else got any ideas? On why AS creates a project with an activity with NoTitleBar theme style, and then manually creates the AppBar, etc. etc.
Sep 14 07:42:59 <VerbalKint> arancio: think it's ORDER BY
Sep 14 07:43:30 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: hmm, it's the intended setup. It's the template that creates a Nav Drawer.
Sep 14 07:43:56 <_genuser_> it tries to create the Drawer first and then AppBarLayout -> Toolbar -> TabLayout
Sep 14 07:44:04 <arancio> VerbalKint: Ok. I fixed ORDER BY but the exception above is thrown anyway
Sep 14 07:44:15 <_genuser_> I'm thinking it's just to have the NavDrawer be on top of everything.
Sep 14 07:45:08 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: I have my application's theme be based on this <style name="AppTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light.NoActionBar">
Sep 14 07:45:30 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: and it works for me, but I don't know if you want AppCompat
Sep 14 07:46:24 <Leeds> arancio: that's way more than you should be pasting in here
Sep 14 07:46:36 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: yep, that's exactly how mine's setup (by AS as a template)
Sep 14 07:46:55 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: but then it creates the appbar, etc. in the activity_main.xml explicitly
Sep 14 07:47:02 <arancio> Leeds: yes, I thought about it. I won't do it again. Sorry
Sep 14 08:37:56 <VerbalKint> Hmm. Is it common for the animations to generate a large cache when first starting the app?
Sep 14 08:41:08 <VerbalKint> Nevermind
Sep 14 08:47:16 <earational> hey
Sep 14 08:49:33 <thepoosh> omg such a depressing thread: https://redd.it/52lp3y
Sep 14 08:50:37 <VerbalKint> thepoosh: why? :P
Sep 14 08:50:43 <raoul11> why do u care, you make BILLIONS
Sep 14 08:50:43 <thepoosh> i am poor
Sep 14 08:50:46 <raoul11> lies
Sep 14 08:51:00 <thepoosh> raoul11: all the bay area people make 130k a year
Sep 14 08:51:02 <raoul11> he "trump" level rich /:
Sep 14 08:51:07 <thepoosh> that's insane
Sep 14 08:51:10 <thepoosh> ha
Sep 14 08:51:35 <raoul11> headhunters luv ya thepoosh
Sep 14 08:51:47 <raoul11> you probably on top 5% in linkendin
Sep 14 08:51:50 <thepoosh> but they never offer me money and relocation
Sep 14 08:52:01 <thepoosh> except for that girl in facebook
Sep 14 08:52:10 <thepoosh> that wanted me to move to london
Sep 14 08:52:14 <raoul11> who would move from a hitnahalut to SF /:
Sep 14 08:52:38 <raoul11> u on glassdoor thepoosh ?
Sep 14 08:52:44 <VerbalKint> Thanks to American hegemony, if I would make 1000$/month here in Romania, I would live pretty decently
Sep 14 08:52:50 <thepoosh> yeah, but it's on my ignore list
Sep 14 08:53:04 <thepoosh> hmmmm
Sep 14 08:53:10 <thepoosh> do you make less than that?
Sep 14 08:53:20 <VerbalKint> thepoosh: I'm making nothing atm :D
Sep 14 08:53:26 <raoul11> i mean, look at the pakistani on that thread (hitler_kardashian)
Sep 14 08:53:28 <VerbalKint> But I'm a one-man army right now
Sep 14 08:53:36 <raoul11> making nothing is amazing
Sep 14 08:53:42 <raoul11> iv been doing that for a few years nao
Sep 14 08:53:49 <thepoosh> in israel 1000$ a month is minimum wage
Sep 14 08:54:18 <VerbalKint> thepoosh: well, to some countries 1000$ is a lot and to others is nothing :P
Sep 14 08:54:53 <ktwo> What is the usual procedure to handle cases like startDragAndDrop (not below API24) and startDrag (deprecated) ? Is there an Appcompat utility which selects the correct method based on the API of the device?
Sep 14 08:54:54 <VerbalKint> I bet you could buy 2 fashion models and a seaside palace in India with 1000$ :O
Sep 14 08:55:10 <arancio> VerbalKint: do you buy fashion models?
Sep 14 08:55:19 <arancio> VerbalKint: on the slave market?
Sep 14 08:55:29 <VerbalKint> arancio: neah, I don't buy catalogs
Sep 14 08:55:47 <arancio> so how do you buy a fashion model?
Sep 14 08:55:57 <Zta77> I have a list of asset files named animal1.jpg, animal2.jpg, animal3.jpg, gonzo1.jpg, gonzo2.jpg, janice1,jpg, janice2.jpg. janice3.jpg... That's <name><number>.jpg.  I want to cut this so I have a name String and imageNumber int.  I imagine a Pattern+Matcher can do this, but how?
Sep 14 08:57:10 <arancio> Zta77: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/regex/
Sep 14 08:58:33 <Odaym> I knew you were referring to How Much Do You Get Paid thread on reddit
Sep 14 08:58:39 <Odaym> how is that depressing
Sep 14 08:58:39 <VerbalKint> Zta77: tried doing something like this? Resources.getIdentifier( "imagename", "drawable", getPackageName() )?
Sep 14 08:59:02 <VerbalKint> Zta77: you loop an array of strings with the name and append the number to the "imagename"
Sep 14 08:59:08 <Odaym> it's just the value difference with countries, nigga I only make 30K/year
Sep 14 08:59:26 <VerbalKint> *array of strings that have the names
Sep 14 08:59:29 <Odaym> sorry for that word, by mistake
Sep 14 08:59:31 <arancio> nigga?
Sep 14 08:59:38 <VerbalKint> This is how I would do, though
Sep 14 09:00:00 <VerbalKint> *do it
Sep 14 09:00:35 <arancio> VerbalKint: he wants to splits the names
Sep 14 09:00:40 <arancio> split
Sep 14 09:01:05 <raoul11> thepoosh we should startup a new company
Sep 14 09:01:09 <VerbalKint> arancio: oh. Didn't read it till the end. X_X
Sep 14 09:01:21 <raoul11> and call it Fmylyfe
Sep 14 09:02:55 <arancio> Fmylyfe?
Sep 14 09:02:57 <VerbalKint> raoul11: why would thepoosh join it if he's apparently filthy rich?
Sep 14 09:03:00 <thepoosh> raoul11: totally, hire me for 1000000000 dollars
Sep 14 09:03:14 <raoul11> ill give u stock options
Sep 14 09:03:21 <Odaym> haha
Sep 14 09:03:26 <raoul11> they will worth eventually 100000000000 dorrahs
Sep 14 09:03:32 <Odaym> darrols
Sep 14 09:03:43 <Odaym> we start a startup that starts other startups
Sep 14 09:03:49 <Odaym> Meta Startup
Sep 14 09:03:59 <arancio> They call them accelerators
Sep 14 09:04:01 <thepoosh> http://reactionimage.org/img/gallery/4420585361.jpg
Sep 14 09:04:07 <raoul11> thepoosh you can be the dinesh to my gilfoyle
Sep 14 09:04:17 <arancio> What's wrong with this SQLite query? http://pastebin.com/UTDdVS7R
Sep 14 09:04:21 <thepoosh> I think I do glifoyl better
Sep 14 09:04:31 <raoul11> but you dont have a beard
Sep 14 09:04:53 <thepoosh> I grow one
Sep 14 09:05:30 <raoul11> k, ill be erlich and ull be all the rest. we just need a jared to manage shit
Sep 14 09:05:43 <thepoosh> ha!
Sep 14 09:05:57 <raoul11> jared is the keypoint for a succesful startup
Sep 14 09:06:29 <thepoosh> arancio: looks like you're missing the CacellationSignal
Sep 14 09:06:30 <thepoosh> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/database/sqlite/SQLiteDatabase.html#query(boolean, java.lang.String, java.lang.String[], java.lang.String, java.lang.String[], java.lang.String, java.lang.String, java.lang.String, java.lang.String, android.os.CancellationSignal)
Sep 14 09:06:46 <thepoosh> who doesn't urlencode anchors
Sep 14 09:06:48 <thepoosh> fuckers
Sep 14 09:06:53 <Zta77> VerbalKint: I know how to read the file list.
Sep 14 09:07:34 <arancio> thepoosh: I guess they are two different overloads. My code compiles. It just throws an exception about the "LIMIT 1" clause
Sep 14 09:07:43 <Zta77> arancio: I've got Pattern p = Pattern.compile("([A-Za-z]+)([0-9]+])\\.jpg"); Matcher m = pattern.matcher("animal1.jpg"); but m.find() returns false.
Sep 14 09:07:44 <thepoosh> stacktrace?
Sep 14 09:08:41 <arancio> thepoosh:  java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: invalid LIMIT clauses:LIMIT 1
Sep 14 09:08:50 <Odaym> why do you have the plus sign there?
Sep 14 09:08:54 <thepoosh> entire trace please
Sep 14 09:09:07 <thepoosh> Odaym: one or more?
Sep 14 09:09:44 <Odaym> yea im aware
Sep 14 09:09:47 <Odaym> let's try it on egrep
Sep 14 09:13:41 <arancio> thepoosh: entire trace: http://pastebin.com/XuP1dw1J
Sep 14 09:13:55 <Odaym> I dont know
Sep 14 09:16:08 <thepoosh> arancio: you don't need to write the word LIMIT
Sep 14 09:16:16 <thepoosh> it's already added for you
Sep 14 09:16:27 <thepoosh> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/java/android/database/sqlite/SQLiteQueryBuilder.java#201
Sep 14 09:16:37 <arancio> thepoosh: the docs say you have to.
Sep 14 09:17:23 <arancio> thepoosh: sorry. I guess that I read it the other way around
Sep 14 09:17:33 <thepoosh> arancio: http://stackoverflow.com/a/6361710/1056359
Sep 14 09:17:38 <arancio> thepoosh: I'll try removing "ORDER BY" and "LIMIT"
Sep 14 09:17:49 <thepoosh> yep
Sep 14 09:18:21 <arancio> Yeah, I read the docs but my mind understood the opposite of what they say. Thanks, thepoosh
Sep 14 09:18:29 <thepoosh> np
Sep 14 09:19:23 <mflow> How can I store user data between app uninstalls in a way that the user can't edit/delete the data except through system factory reset?
Sep 14 09:19:31 <mflow> like iOS's key chain
Sep 14 09:19:58 <arancio> It works!
Sep 14 09:20:14 <wyoung> mflow: Like Android's keychain?
Sep 14 09:20:32 <mflow> no, I want to store custom data, not private keys and certificates
Sep 14 09:20:57 <wyoung> mflow: each app gets a private store
Sep 14 09:21:02 <wyoung> that only that app can access
Sep 14 09:21:20 <arancio> wyoung: "between app uninstalls"
Sep 14 09:21:31 <mflow> isn't that deleted if I uninstall the app ?
Sep 14 09:21:42 <wyoung> mflow: probably
Sep 14 09:21:49 <arancio> yes, it is
Sep 14 09:21:49 <wyoung> mflow: just sync it then resync after reinstall
Sep 14 09:22:04 <arancio> what's sync/resync?
Sep 14 09:22:07 <mflow> sync/resync to/from where?
Sep 14 09:22:16 <wyoung> mflow, arancio: setup a sync provider
Sep 14 09:22:22 <wyoung> to a service that you create
Sep 14 09:22:27 <mflow> but the user can edit/delete the data
Sep 14 09:23:10 <arancio> wyoung: isn't that moving the data to another app that could be uninstalled too?
Sep 14 09:23:50 <arancio> mflow: why don't you store the data on your server?
Sep 14 09:23:57 <arancio> mflow: "the cloud"
Sep 14 09:24:01 <wyoung> arancio: no, it is moving it to an external storage
Sep 14 09:24:13 <arancio> wyoung: ok. I'll read about it then
Sep 14 09:24:16 <arancio> wyoung: thanks
Sep 14 09:24:30 <wyoung> arancio: "the cloud" if you want to be ignorant
Sep 14 09:24:41 <mflow> because I need the data because I can identify the user (i.e. user login)
Sep 14 09:24:49 <arancio> wyoung: what do you mean?
Sep 14 09:24:50 <mflow> *before
Sep 14 09:25:04 <wyoung> arancio: I hate the term "the cloud:
Sep 14 09:25:05 <wyoung> "
Sep 14 09:25:42 <arancio> wyoung: ah, me too. I added it just for the sake of irony. That's why it was between quotes
Sep 14 09:26:01 <wyoung> ah
Sep 14 09:29:31 <mflow> On iOS the keychain can only be cleared if the system is factory reset, seems like Android lacks such a feature
Sep 14 09:29:41 <mflow> where you can save private data between app uninstalls securely
Sep 14 09:38:57 <wyoung> mflow: iOS lacks the feature of being able to give your apps away without paying $150 AUD per year.
Sep 14 09:39:31 <wyoung> google is a $99 AUD one time payment so they know you are serious
Sep 14 09:50:50 <Novus> what is the name of the button with the 3 lines on it?
Sep 14 09:51:02 <Novus> the left button on most androies
Sep 14 09:51:58 <Ashiren> menu button?
Sep 14 09:52:20 <Novus> to the left of the home button right?
Sep 14 09:52:38 <Novus> I'm trying to learn how to make a custom menu on webview for linke
Sep 14 09:52:39 <Ashiren> depends. on my phone i have back button
Sep 14 09:52:40 <Novus> links
Sep 14 09:53:19 <Ashiren> you mean this? http://i.stack.imgur.com/hlDK4.png
Sep 14 09:53:29 <Novus> yep
Sep 14 09:53:31 <Novus> :)
Sep 14 09:54:02 <Ashiren> so yes, its menu http://memory-map.com.au/faqs/questions/57/Finding+the+menu+button+on+Android+Devices
Sep 14 09:57:26 <mflow> wyoung: true, but I was asking about the technical aspects of storing data on Android in a similar way to what iOS keychain does, i.e. keeps the data between app uninstalls and you as a user can't change it
Sep 14 09:59:43 <mflow> maybe Google Drive API lets you create "invisible" folders or folders only allowed to be changed/altered by the app who created them
Sep 14 10:00:00 <mflow> I have to investigate it to see if the "cloud/err butt" can help here
Sep 14 10:29:50 <thepoosh> raoul11: http://www.glide.me/introducing-google-firebase-app-indexing-on-glide
Sep 14 10:35:51 <Ashiren> glide? the image library?
Sep 14 10:45:02 <Novus> anyone have a tutorial on creating a menu from the menu button in android developer?
Sep 14 10:45:19 <DelphiWorld> hi everyone
Sep 14 10:45:43 <DelphiWorld> the appstore developer's name is automaticaly the display name in the gmail account?
Sep 14 10:46:43 <VerbalKint> DelphiWorld: you can change it in Settings -> Account details
Sep 14 10:47:03 <DelphiWorld> VerbalKint: good, thanks
Sep 14 10:47:06 <DelphiWorld> VerbalKint: do you use admob?
Sep 14 10:47:32 <VerbalKint> DelphiWorld: yep
Sep 14 10:48:04 <DelphiWorld> VerbalKint: how would admob pay you? is there any specific method or anything?
Sep 14 10:48:20 <VerbalKint> DelphiWorld: haven't reached that part yet :D
Sep 14 10:51:43 <DelphiWorld> ok VerbalKint :P
Sep 14 10:54:07 <arancio> DelphiWorld: did you get rich already?
Sep 14 10:54:31 <DelphiWorld> arancio: only if you send me your entire bank content into my account?
Sep 14 10:54:40 <thepoosh> Ashiren: no, glide the place I work at
Sep 14 10:54:52 <thepoosh> we are actually about to integrate the glide image lib for gifs
Sep 14 10:54:56 <thepoosh> which is funny
Sep 14 10:54:58 <thepoosh> to me
Sep 14 11:04:37 <wyoung> mflow: In Australia we have public health, America has public health too, the only difference is in AU it is free and in US you have you pay out of your ass.  Same difference as storing data in Android compared to iOS.  In Android you can store it offsite if you want to, in iOS you have no choice, the will get reemed
Sep 14 11:05:28 <wyoung> the = you
Sep 14 11:07:37 <Ashiren> keep in mind evil guy who started world war 2 was from australia
Sep 14 11:07:51 <DelphiWorld> hey guys... be calm
Sep 14 11:07:54 <VerbalKint> Ashiren: lol
Sep 14 11:08:05 <wyoung> Ashiren: Hitler was Australian?
Sep 14 11:08:14 <Mavrik> Ahahahaha.
Sep 14 11:08:15 <Mavrik> Wtf.
Sep 14 11:08:26 <wyoung> Ashiren: I belive he was German buddy
Sep 14 11:08:43 <DelphiWorld> no diference bethwan white & black, nor any kind in islam
Sep 14 11:08:44 <VerbalKint> wyoung: that's a revisionist interpretation, buddy
Sep 14 11:08:46 <Ashiren> thats what they want you to think
Sep 14 11:08:46 <DelphiWorld> be calms
Sep 14 11:08:47 <wyoung> Ashiren: but even saying that Germany is awesome
Sep 14 11:09:26 <wyoung> VerbalKint: you sound X, X is what ruined this world
Sep 14 11:09:31 <VerbalKint> wyoung: it's a historical fact that the Wehmarcth rode into battle on kangaroos
Sep 14 11:10:11 <VerbalKint> *wehrmacht
Sep 14 11:10:12 <wyoung> VerbalKint: It is known fact that Kangaroos are weak and lazy, no way would they let anyone ride on them,
Sep 14 11:10:38 <DelphiWorld> no diference bethwan white & black, nor any rass in islam
Sep 14 11:10:48 <VerbalKint> wyoung: also, the joke is that Australia and Austria sound similar :P
Sep 14 11:10:50 <DelphiWorld> ww2 or ww1 or ww3, time is over guys. stop accusing
Sep 14 11:11:28 <wyoung> VerbalKint: The only similarities that Australia and Austria have in common is their original owners are inbreds
Sep 14 11:11:52 <VerbalKint> wyoung: I was talking about the name X_X
Sep 14 11:12:02 <wyoung> D
Sep 14 11:12:10 <wyoung> I was talking about hte people
Sep 14 11:12:21 <wyoung> I am watching War Crafct now
Sep 14 11:12:39 <VerbalKint> wyoung: I don't get the Austrians are inbreds reference
Sep 14 11:12:52 <raoul11> who does yer weblayout thepoosh ? looks clean as f
Sep 14 11:13:07 <thepoosh> inside job
Sep 14 11:13:31 <thepoosh> sitting next to our VP of marketing
Sep 14 11:13:37 <thepoosh> just orgasmed to your message
Sep 14 11:13:44 <wyoung> VerbalKint: Only the original inhabitans, then again, the first fleet was full of inbreed irish. English and Scotish filth
Sep 14 11:14:09 <raoul11> shit is amazing
Sep 14 11:14:16 <wyoung> yeah I am over it, we all have a cousin who is also an uncle
Sep 14 11:14:26 <raoul11> gonna firebug it all and copy it to Fmylyfe.io
Sep 14 11:14:42 <VerbalKint> wyoung: lmao
Sep 14 11:15:22 <wyoung> VerbalKint: <3
Sep 14 11:15:29 <wyoung> VerbalKint: I am English so I am paying myself out :)
Sep 14 11:16:13 <VerbalKint> wyoung: wait, Englishman living in Australia or of English ancestry?
Sep 14 11:16:55 <wyoung> The latter
Sep 14 11:17:26 <VerbalKint> wyoung: how do you know? Bad teeth? :P
Sep 14 11:17:45 <raoul11> lol
Sep 14 11:17:52 <raoul11> harsh VerbalKint
Sep 14 11:18:09 <wyoung> VerbalKint: I had orthadontic work
Sep 14 11:18:12 <VerbalKint> raoul11: shut up, big nose :P
Sep 14 11:18:22 <wyoung> VerbalKint: I am not polish
Sep 14 11:18:32 <wyoung> or jewish, I dont havbe a big nose
Sep 14 11:18:41 <wyoung> or gold
Sep 14 11:18:44 <VerbalKint> wyoung: that was for raoul11 :D
Sep 14 11:18:48 <wyoung> ah
Sep 14 11:18:57 <raoul11> i do have a big nose, but no gold
Sep 14 11:19:03 <VerbalKint> raoul11: :D
Sep 14 11:19:06 <wyoung> raoul11: you need both to be a jew
Sep 14 11:19:28 <raoul11> got the bottom end of the racist sticker tree ):
Sep 14 11:20:00 <VerbalKint> raoul11: you really got offended by the big nose thing?
Sep 14 11:20:12 <VerbalKint> raoul11: it's ok; you can always get surgery :D
Sep 14 11:20:18 <raoul11> nah
Sep 14 11:20:22 <raoul11> iv been ircing since 95
Sep 14 11:20:24 <wyoung> raoul11: except being a jew isn't a race, yes I know it is a mother trait but a rabbie can get you in
Sep 14 11:20:39 <raoul11> pretty much got every racial slur possible on this planet
Sep 14 11:21:05 <arancio> someone used "nigga" too, 1 hour ago
Sep 14 11:21:21 <wyoung> arancio: they must be chinese
Sep 14 11:21:21 <VerbalKint> raoul11: don't worry, bro. We Eastern Europeans get called stuff by Western Europeans too.
Sep 14 11:21:26 <wyoung> arancio: that is mandarin
Sep 14 11:21:39 <wyoung> arancio: it is a fluff word like um, and ah
Sep 14 11:21:54 <wyoung> arancio: that you use between thoughts
Sep 14 11:22:00 <wyoung> to extend a stence
Sep 14 11:22:00 <arancio> I see
Sep 14 11:22:03 <wyoung> stentence
Sep 14 11:22:08 <raoul11> btw VerbalKint, i am from a romanian descent /:
Sep 14 11:22:21 <VerbalKint> raoul11: sorry to hear that
Sep 14 11:22:25 <raoul11> half of it anyways
Sep 14 11:22:27 <raoul11> i know
Sep 14 11:22:29 <wyoung> arancio: cunt is also a polish word for seam or heam of cloth
Sep 14 11:22:45 <wyoung> arancio: if you find that offensive that you hate the Polish
Sep 14 11:22:58 <VerbalKint> raoul11: one of your parents came to Israel after the revolution?
Sep 14 11:23:04 <wyoung> that = then
Sep 14 11:23:34 <wyoung> VerbalKint: and you are no better than hitler
Sep 14 11:23:47 <wyoung> facist!
Sep 14 11:23:50 <raoul11> grandparents did in the 1930's
Sep 14 11:24:43 <VerbalKint> raoul11: nasty time to be a Jew in 1930s Romania. Lots of religious nutjobs.
Sep 14 11:24:53 <raoul11> they were commies
Sep 14 11:25:02 <raoul11> started a kibbutz here
Sep 14 11:25:04 <VerbalKint> raoul11: what? :P
Sep 14 11:25:23 <VerbalKint> raoul11: ooooohhh
Sep 14 11:25:26 <wyoung> arancio: have you invaded Poland yet?
Sep 14 11:25:36 <VerbalKint> raoul11: sorry, misunderstood. It's great if they were communists! :D
Sep 14 11:25:42 <DelphiWorld> lol
Sep 14 11:26:34 <markyosullivan> Wait, someone said Hitler was Australian? He was Austrian was he not? :D
Sep 14 11:26:41 <VerbalKint> wyoung: Italy? Invading anything? Pfftt!
Sep 14 11:26:53 <perlsyntax> For android  developer do i need jdk 6 and jdk 7 and jdk8 if i plan to work on android 2.2-android 7.0?Sorry if this a newbie question.
Sep 14 11:27:03 <wyoung> VerbalKint: Italy were inbed with the keiser
Sep 14 11:27:34 <VerbalKint> wyoung: bro, I'm European. I think I know the history of this continent. :P
Sep 14 11:27:35 <arancio> wyoung: I don't think so, Italy was the first Country to recognize Poland sovereignty.
Sep 14 11:27:44 <perlsyntax> hi wyoung
Sep 14 11:29:09 <wyoung> arancio: before or after Germany pwned it?
Sep 14 11:29:21 <wyoung> ir both? but not during right?
Sep 14 11:29:58 <wyoung> qrestlove: <3
Sep 14 11:30:16 <perlsyntax> Hi all
Sep 14 11:30:17 <VerbalKint> wyoung: and I said pfft because Italy sucked at invading in WW2. Ze germans had to do everything for them. :D
Sep 14 11:30:28 <arancio> wyoung: before
Sep 14 11:30:54 <arancio> wyoung: Italian were not nazist. They were just dumb
Sep 14 11:31:20 <wyoung> VerbalKint: only because the Italians were lazy
Sep 14 11:31:47 <arancio> wyoung: Italy had a very poor army compared to Germany
Sep 14 11:32:23 <wyoung> VerbalKint: they were too busy making pizzas and sucking grappa
Sep 14 11:32:42 <arancio> wyoung: the were not lazy or unskilled at war. But honestly the could not be compared.
Sep 14 11:33:06 <wyoung> arancio: grappa is grat
Sep 14 11:33:08 <wyoung> great
Sep 14 11:33:13 <perlsyntax> hi DelphiWorld
Sep 14 11:33:17 <arancio> :-)
Sep 14 11:33:36 <DelphiWorld> hi perlsyntax
Sep 14 11:33:53 <arancio> perlsyntax: hi
Sep 14 11:34:06 <perlsyntax> How is everyone doing?
Sep 14 11:34:38 <arancio> perlsyntax and DelphiWorld: is this a reunions of forgotten computer languages?
Sep 14 11:34:44 <VerbalKint> raoul11: this is what you're missing if you would've been born here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3088541/Three-four-migrants-Eastern-Europe-filling-low-skill-jobs-roles-fruit-picking-evidence-mounts-cheap-labour-forcing-British-workers-pay.html
Sep 14 11:34:57 <VerbalKint> Can't believe the bastards are complaining that we're taking their shit jobs
Sep 14 11:34:58 <wyoung> DelphiWorld: you know Pascal is dead right?
Sep 14 11:35:21 <DelphiWorld> wyoung: not the language, but the person ;)
Sep 14 11:35:22 <DelphiWorld> LOL
Sep 14 11:35:32 <wyoung> DelphiWorld: you are the person?
Sep 14 11:35:47 <arancio> he is the Oracle of Delphi
Sep 14 11:35:54 <DelphiWorld> HAHAHA
Sep 14 11:36:06 <arancio> Which is a Delphi version that runs on top of the Java VM
Sep 14 11:36:10 <perlsyntax> arancio,Wel i not sure if i ned all 3 jdk for android but i try o find information on it.
Sep 14 11:36:42 <perlsyntax> lol i feel like a fool
Sep 14 11:36:56 <wyoung> hi
Sep 14 11:37:11 <perlsyntax> hi wyoung
Sep 14 11:37:20 <VerbalKint> Anyway, gotta go back to work X_X
Sep 14 11:37:35 <wyoung> VerbalKint: working at 21:37?
Sep 14 11:37:44 <wyoung> quit
Sep 14 11:37:48 <perlsyntax> So i think i need  jdk 6-8 if i plan to do android 2.2 and up.
Sep 14 11:37:52 <perlsyntax> lol
Sep 14 11:38:00 <VerbalKint> wyoung: err, didn't you get that I'm Romanian?
Sep 14 11:38:30 <VerbalKint> wyoung: a country like the Vatican inside Italy close to Rome
Sep 14 11:38:47 <VerbalKint> wyoung: arancio can verify what I just said
Sep 14 11:39:34 <arancio> I confirm everything VerbalKint says it's 99% true
Sep 14 11:40:04 <arancio> make it 60%
Sep 14 11:40:39 <VerbalKint> We're the closest, genetically speaking, to the Ancient Romans. Italians like arancio are descended from Germanic barbarians.
Sep 14 11:41:48 <arancio> Romanians descend from Romulans not from Ancient Romans. Did you ever read their name? You need the Universal Translator to understand them.
Sep 14 11:42:08 <raoul11> ROMULANS
Sep 14 11:42:23 <VerbalKint> :D
Sep 14 11:42:56 <Odaym> everyone is not doing, perlsyntax
Sep 14 11:42:58 <VerbalKint> The Romanian Empire will rise again, just you wait!
Sep 14 11:43:54 <perlsyntax> Odaym ?
Sep 14 11:44:04 <Odaym> you asked how everyone was doing
Sep 14 11:44:12 <Odaym> they're discussing ancestry
Sep 14 11:44:15 <perlsyntax> Sorry forgot
Sep 14 11:44:17 <Odaym> not doing anything
Sep 14 11:45:05 <perlsyntax> Odaym, i not awake yet drink to much coffee.
Sep 14 11:45:24 <Odaym> still got that trademark English I see
Sep 14 11:45:25 <Odaym> :D
Sep 14 11:45:36 <Odaym> haven't been here for a long time myself
Sep 14 11:46:13 <Silverbaq> I'm trying to develop my first app for Android Wear. I wish to get location on the device. But my wearable device do not have GPS build in. I have read that I can use GoogleApiClient with LocationServices.API, and then my device should be able to get location. Will it get the information from my handset device automatically, or shall I also implement something to sync the data?
Sep 14 11:54:16 <VerbalKint> Darn it, had too much coffee again.
Sep 14 12:02:27 <logcat> Silverbaq: you can read https://developer.android.com/training/articles/wear-location-detection.html and http://android-developers.blogspot.fi/2014/10/gps-on-android-wear-devices.html
Sep 14 12:05:05 <Silverbaq> logcat, thanks - I have already read both of them - But sadly I'm not getting much more clever. It might also be my code that does not work (even after following the examples on the same pages) :-)
Sep 14 12:05:46 <logcat> from second link "FusedLocationProviderApi automatically makes the most power-efficient decision about where to get location updates. If the phone is connected to the wearable, it uses the GPS on the phone and sends the updates to the wearable. If the phone is not connected to the wearable and the wearable has a built-in GPS, then it uses the wearable’s GPS.
Sep 14 12:05:48 <logcat> "
Sep 14 12:07:24 <Silverbaq> yeah, so it should get the information by automatically, without need of extra work... thanks :)
Sep 14 12:35:29 <tiger98> Hi, I am trying to access adb which is the android /system/bin for android versions above 4.2.2
Sep 14 12:35:57 <tiger98> but there does not exist any such file]
Sep 14 12:44:48 <thepoosh> tiger98: probably no permissions
Sep 14 12:54:26 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys! Is there any way to have icon in notification area in colors and not in gray-white alpha channel manner?
Sep 14 12:54:42 <AlexBerdnikov> I mean, on post lollipop devices
Sep 14 12:54:54 <tiger98> thepoosh: I jst need some help I want to store all App's Internal Data which is backed up by Google BackupManagerService w/o connecting to laptop as done by Helium(build by Koush Dutta) so is their any possible way to achieve this as I have already tried "/system/bin/bu backup" & "adb backup" but they are not working out...
Sep 14 12:55:14 <tiger98> would be great if you can show me the path to achieve it...
Sep 14 12:57:07 <astroduck> Is there some function called before a ViewHolder is recycled? I have some custom viewpool stuff going on and I'd like to recycle those views before my holder is recycled
Sep 14 12:57:11 <astroduck> So much recycling
Sep 14 13:00:24 <Ashiren> adapter's onViewRecycled
Sep 14 13:00:28 <Ashiren> or something similar
Sep 14 13:02:00 <astroduck> Ashiren: Cool! Thanks. Should've read Adapter's docs as well before asking here
Sep 14 13:31:35 <zherlock> Hi all. We are brainstorming before learning android app development. Would this be a possible channel to ask if one can write an APP that i.e. turns on USB tethering and starts another app, without needing to root the device? Where can I read what one can do towards the sdk? what does the android framework allow in terms of interaction between apps and having an app changing settings like power
Sep 14 13:31:41 <zherlock> saving, network ?
Sep 14 13:44:38 <maka_> Hello, I am trying to use .xlsm files. But i cant find how to open it programmatically. I try to use new Intent(Intent.ACTION_VIEW); to open it, but it says there is no applications that can open the file. I downloaded Microsoft Excel, and I am totally able to open it manually
Sep 14 13:45:22 <maka_> Why the system doesnt propose me to open it with Excel ? It just generate an Exception
Sep 14 14:29:25 <VerbalKint> Am I the only one who thinks that it's really wasteful to connect your GoogleApiClient in your Activity and have it be recreated every time I rotate my screen?
Sep 14 14:30:36 <VerbalKint> The Activity approach seems wasteful to me compared to the Application one
Sep 14 14:32:47 <missingno> googleapiclient doesn't strike me as heavyweight, but that's just my intuition
Sep 14 14:33:44 <VerbalKint> missingno: you're probably right
Sep 14 15:23:10 <truckcrash> has anyone here tried a project tango device?
Sep 14 15:23:26 <g00s> just noticed the first one got delayed ...
Sep 14 15:23:43 <truckcrash> yeah, that was a bit dissapointing
Sep 14 15:23:55 <truckcrash> but there are still the dev tablet ones out there
Sep 14 15:24:46 <Leeds> I tried a demo tablet very briefly at an event
Sep 14 15:37:31 <truckcrash> Leeds, cool. how was it? I dont suppose you had any low light experience with it did you? I am curious how well it would work in dark rooms
Sep 14 15:39:14 <Leeds> the demo was pretty cool, but I'm not quite sure what it's for :) it was a well-lit room
Sep 14 15:39:28 <Leeds> I suspect it wouldn't work too well in the dark...
Sep 14 15:48:37 <azv4> strange, I don't recall installing any command line extras in AS2.1 and I can run command "cmd.exe /C android update project -t ""android-7"" on my main system, but not on new laptop I have AS2.1 installed on with similar SDK's installed
Sep 14 15:56:49 <pfn> ugh, my keyboard is stuck in caps lock and i have no way to turn it off, except for using rdp to log in and use a keyboard there to toggle caps
Sep 14 15:56:59 <pfn> have to press shift and type, very annoying...
Sep 14 16:08:23 <truckcrash> pfn, what OS? can you use sticky keys?
Sep 14 16:13:14 <pfn> I have stickykeys turned off
Sep 14 16:13:25 <pfn> but I just got my tablet back and used chrome remote desktop to turn off caps
Sep 14 16:13:38 <_genuser_> so my noteII is working again!
Sep 14 16:13:50 <pfn> shoulda traded it in for a note7
Sep 14 16:14:08 <_genuser_> heh, nobody would trade that.
Sep 14 16:14:23 <_genuser_> I'd basically have to pay the whole amount for a note 7.
Sep 14 16:14:39 <_genuser_> altho the recent news might affect the price a little.
Sep 14 16:14:56 <missingno> trade it for a preexploded note 7
Sep 14 16:15:21 <_genuser_> the note II stopped charging, so I bought a galaxy alpha.
Sep 14 16:15:33 <_genuser_> really cheap, it's on api 19. and I think the screen resolution is pretty crappy.
Sep 14 16:16:00 <_genuser_> not to mention Fry's sold it as an "unlocked" samsung phone. turns out it's an At&T unlocked phone with att crapware.
Sep 14 16:16:10 <mann> How much?
Sep 14 16:16:23 <_genuser_> don't remember now, I think it was $150
Sep 14 16:17:04 <mann> You seen the new Amazon phones? Pretty nice for the price
Sep 14 16:17:07 <mann> unlocked too
Sep 14 16:17:23 <mann> running lollipop
Sep 14 16:17:49 <_genuser_> no wait, it was 250'ish at the time. it's now listed at 299.
Sep 14 16:17:55 <_genuser_> http://www.frys.com/product/8774131?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Sep 14 16:18:12 <VerbalKint> Can I ask you guys something? What do you actually do with your phones/tablets that require these frequent upgrades?
Sep 14 16:18:21 <_genuser_> I just didn't want to spent like 500-800 on a "quality" phone.
Sep 14 16:18:40 <Leeds> mann: when you say Amazon phones, you mean motorola phones with Amazon ads? because the Amazon phone... we don't talk about the Amazon phone
Sep 14 16:18:51 <mann> yeah the moto one
Sep 14 16:18:56 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: mine was a noteII (give by sister in law for free). I used it for 4'ish years. Then it stopped charging. I went and bought the cheapest unlocked phone. (linked above).
Sep 14 16:18:58 <mann> they have a "Blu" one now too
Sep 14 16:19:07 <mann> not the POS fire phone or w/e
Sep 14 16:19:12 <mann> lol
Sep 14 16:19:41 <_genuser_> I really dislike amazon's ads and fire this an fire that.
Sep 14 16:19:51 <_genuser_> and apparently people do'nt like it that much either. it hasn't really taken off.
Sep 14 16:19:52 <mann> They have ones without the ads
Sep 14 16:19:57 <mann> still pretty dang good price
Sep 14 16:20:14 <_genuser_> amazon's main annoyance is that they try to push their crap too much.
Sep 14 16:20:34 <_genuser_> like get prime on trial. they're supposed to charge you after 30 day free trial.
Sep 14 16:20:50 <_genuser_> they'll instead charge you after week 1, claiming that it will make the transition to paid service smoother.
Sep 14 16:21:47 <mann> This is what I'm talking about: https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=fr_ilm_ft?node=14613304011&pf_rd_p=2609327322&pf_rd_s=detail-ilm&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B01F9N5QXI&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=9N7WDWV2B8WJH4T0WDQD
Sep 14 16:22:01 <mann> Just noticed they're "prime only" =/
Sep 14 16:22:14 <_genuser_> 1) credit card charge takes less than a minute. 2) most people will expect that after 30 days they'll be asked or they'll just go ahead and cancel, whereas amazon will have already taken the money and now the customer has to get it back.
Sep 14 16:22:52 <_genuser_> blu phones in general are pretty cheap too.
Sep 14 16:23:09 <mann> ah
Sep 14 16:23:13 <_genuser_> haha, "with lockscreen offers and ads"
Sep 14 16:23:26 <_genuser_> as in "you're desperate for ads and now we've finally delivered"
Sep 14 16:23:29 <_genuser_> what a dumbass thing
Sep 14 16:23:42 <_genuser_> typically amazon.
Sep 14 16:23:55 <_genuser_> arrogance. they're telling people that they'll show ads and bragging about it as if it's a feature people want.
Sep 14 16:24:07 <mann> lol
Sep 14 16:24:19 <perlsyntax> Hi anyone use google hangout?
Sep 14 16:24:23 <_genuser_> I still like amazon for purchases. quick delivery, easy to order process.
Sep 14 16:24:44 <perlsyntax> hi mann
Sep 14 16:24:46 <mann> yeah I buy almost everything from amazon
Sep 14 16:24:54 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: it's not ads; it's technology that permits you to discover wants that you didn't know that you had through the display of a rectangular on your screen that flashes!
Sep 14 16:24:56 <mann> hello perlsyntax
Sep 14 16:25:15 <_genuser_> I like their video on demand stuff also. I dislike that you can't download stuff you've purchased. You used to have to download an ugly "Amazon Box Player" and 20minute episodes were 3GIGs. nobody's gonna download that.
Sep 14 16:25:30 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: that would be "offers"
Sep 14 16:25:53 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: on mann's link you'll see they say, "with lockscreen offers & ads"
Sep 14 16:26:03 <perlsyntax> mann,How are you?
Sep 14 16:26:04 <_genuser_> I'm sure the ads will be crap shoot of dumb things.
Sep 14 16:26:28 <s73v3r> _genuser_: thatsTheJoke.jpg
Sep 14 16:28:31 <_genuser_> the blu phones kinda look tempting. You just wnat somethign that's so cheap and fully functional. lol.
Sep 14 16:28:58 <mann> That's what I was saying.. $60. Pretty dang nice.
Sep 14 16:29:16 <mann> $50*
Sep 14 16:29:29 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: but what do those phones add that you don't already have? I DON'T GET IT
Sep 14 16:29:54 <mann> I wouldn't buy one for me. Maybe kids or parents or something.
Sep 14 16:30:05 <s73v3r> what does any phone you see do that other’s don’t
Sep 14 16:30:08 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: to be clear, I'm not buying them. I don't buy them. I stay with a phone for 4-5 years.
Sep 14 16:30:10 <mann> Cheap phone to play their pokemon go or w/e
Sep 14 16:30:20 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: oh
Sep 14 16:30:32 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: just the idea of a cheap fully functional gadget is exciting. Same reason I bought a Raspberry Pi. I have no real use for it.
Sep 14 16:31:20 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: so I installed xbian on it, and hooked it up to the LAN and attached it to the TV over HDMI, so I could watch stuff from my LAN.
Sep 14 16:32:07 <VerbalKint> I'm programming for these damn things, but I can't for the life of me understand why most people are obsessed about them. Most people that I know can strike up a conversation about them.
Sep 14 16:32:07 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: an old phone to act as the xbian remote. and then I realized, the TV's "smart" features already have youtube, netflix, etc. etc. and I don't need the elaborate setup for just media from LAN.
Sep 14 16:32:21 <VerbalKint> People brag about their new Android phones and stuff. Make others envious and bullshit like that.
Sep 14 16:32:27 <_genuser_> I think lot of it is old timers.
Sep 14 16:32:52 <mann> Well people like new stuff in general VerbalKint, especially phones
Sep 14 16:32:56 <_genuser_> people who used to have a big old tower case and then a CRT monitor and a a 2GB hard disk and used to think it was state of the art.
Sep 14 16:33:23 <mann> That's why people line up for days waiting for the new iPhone.
Sep 14 16:33:24 <_genuser_> and now ALL of that is surpassed in a small $35 rpi, that's gotta be a mental wow at least.
Sep 14 16:33:26 <mann> Cause they're nuts..
Sep 14 16:33:45 <_genuser_> iphones are kinda sheeple terriroty tho.
Sep 14 16:33:47 <mann> Yeah been wanting to get a rpi to tinker with
Sep 14 16:33:51 <_genuser_> territory
Sep 14 16:33:57 <mann> Yes and no
Sep 14 16:34:26 <_genuser_> the yes and no is covered in my "kinda" heh
Sep 14 16:34:56 <mann> missed that part
Sep 14 16:35:11 <g00s> Leeds do you think tango will go the way of ARA ?
Sep 14 16:35:14 <VerbalKint> It's just freaking weird to me. Sorry for the George Constanza moment, but most people will use the phones for Facebook, YouTube and the other apps which don't require superduper phones and the effective difference between an average phone and an expensive one is negligible.
Sep 14 16:35:20 <_genuser_> I have an iphoen for work, and I do like it. UI is kinda sucky now that flat UI is more popular.
Sep 14 16:35:24 <_genuser_> but the consistency.
Sep 14 16:35:29 <_genuser_> the lack of options.
Sep 14 16:35:44 <mann> They're nice phones. My work phone is an iphone. Would I used it as my personal? Nope
Sep 14 16:35:45 <VerbalKint> Not the mention that there are applications out there are coded so poorly that they will bring down to their knees even the fastest phone
Sep 14 16:35:53 <VerbalKint> I DON'T GET IT!
Sep 14 16:36:03 <VerbalKint> *that are coded
Sep 14 16:36:05 <_genuser_> that's what makes it great. EVERYBODY is on facetime. You don't have some on ustream, some on skype, some on google hangouts, some on whatsapp, some on blah blah.
Sep 14 16:36:26 <mann> yup
Sep 14 16:36:30 <mann> their ecosystem is quite nice
Sep 14 16:36:53 <mann> their phones are much more optimized
Sep 14 16:36:58 <_genuser_> what I like about iphoen is that in ios world, there's the same UI, the same layout year after year.
Sep 14 16:37:07 <g00s> SimonVT you are in luck, they pushed a repo update with 24.2.0 if you want it :P
Sep 14 16:37:14 <mann> easier to code for (so I hear)
Sep 14 16:37:20 <mann> though I don't doubt it
Sep 14 16:37:20 <_genuser_> you don't have like android, where you can NOT even buy two samsung phones that have a consistent user experience.
Sep 14 16:37:27 <mann> iphone is MVC from the get-go
Sep 14 16:37:41 <_genuser_> I don't know how samsung can be so dumb. But they change their UI, and included apps for every single model.
Sep 14 16:37:47 <mann> yeah samsung...
Sep 14 16:37:50 <mann> ugh
Sep 14 16:38:10 <_genuser_> theren there's google, they change their own apps' UI every day. Google hangout cannot look the same two day in a row.
Sep 14 16:38:13 <mann> I love my note 4, but I really just want pure android now
Sep 14 16:38:24 <_genuser_> there's nav drawer, appbars, navbar, blah blah. no consistency.
Sep 14 16:38:26 <mann> if only google would implement external sd cards...
Sep 14 16:39:25 <mann> Well part of that is android is evolving so quickly
Sep 14 16:39:56 <g00s> android doesn't seem to evolve quickly at all (from my perspective)
Sep 14 16:40:03 <s73v3r> it is, and it isn’t. Android evolves, but the versions of Android most of us get to use and target doesn’t.
Sep 14 16:40:05 <adq> it has calmed down, hopefully
Sep 14 16:40:12 <_genuser_> which is a result of google being impatient with it and just releasing whatever the heck they think is cool this week.
Sep 14 16:40:28 <_genuser_> people move their apps to google gadget #1, and google released navbars.
Sep 14 16:40:29 <mann> Well I should say, "evolved" so quickly
Sep 14 16:40:45 <mann> yeah pretty much
Sep 14 16:40:48 <_genuser_> you move your sh|t to navbar, and they'll release nav_side_thingie.
Sep 14 16:40:56 <mann> lol
Sep 14 16:41:17 <_genuser_> I do like material design specis and the UI elements recommended in there.
Sep 14 16:41:27 <mann> Yeah I wish all carriers would just standardize on android instead of trying to "improve" it
Sep 14 16:41:30 <_genuser_> and I'm hoping google and slow down and let the community standardize on material design.
Sep 14 16:41:33 <mann> updates take forever
Sep 14 16:41:49 <_genuser_> yeah, that's where opensource is a negative instead of a positive.
Sep 14 16:41:53 <g00s> i think material will be coming to an end soon. AR will be the end-game UI, i think everything needs to be rethought
Sep 14 16:41:59 <_genuser_> each vendors wants to include crap in the ROM that you can't get rid off.
Sep 14 16:42:04 <mann> yep
Sep 14 16:42:23 <g00s> _genuser_ even google :P
Sep 14 16:42:24 <mann> I think Google might be reigning it in with their new Pixel phones
Sep 14 16:42:30 <_genuser_> I mean, think about it people, I won't use your apps, forcefully leave them on the storage and annoying me with it is not going to make them use it.
Sep 14 16:42:38 <mann> probably why they started close sourcing so much lately
Sep 14 16:42:50 <_genuser_> g00s: oh? even nexus is coming with some non-android stuff?
Sep 14 16:43:00 <g00s> pixels will have new google juice
Sep 14 16:43:08 <mann> samsung is pretty terrible about it too. They have a copy-cat app of damn near everything google
Sep 14 16:43:10 <mann> and not nearly as good
Sep 14 16:43:11 <_genuser_> what's pixels and google juice?
Sep 14 16:43:23 <_genuser_> mann: lol, yeah. I mean why? just leave it alone?
Sep 14 16:43:39 <_genuser_> altho, I don't like the Play Music, and Play Everything stuff.
Sep 14 16:43:42 <mann> _genuser_, Google is releasing phones with the "Pixel" branding instead of Nexus
Sep 14 16:43:45 <_genuser_> I'm glad to have a barebones media player.
Sep 14 16:44:07 <mann> yeah but samsung pay?
Sep 14 16:44:10 <mann> who seriously uses that
Sep 14 16:44:17 <_genuser_> so now it's pixel instead of nexus?
Sep 14 16:44:18 <s73v3r> people with samsung phones
Sep 14 16:44:28 <mann> I have a samsung phone and never used it
Sep 14 16:44:33 <s73v3r> good for you
Sep 14 16:44:52 <_genuser_> I have a samsung phone. I have never used any "pay" thing
Sep 14 16:44:58 <_genuser_> I don't really give anybody real payment info.
Sep 14 16:45:01 <mann> From what I hear they might be doing some different things with Pixel
Sep 14 16:45:15 <_genuser_> even tho googel will offer free music, and then even if it costs $0, it will demand a wallet setup.
Sep 14 16:45:27 <mann> Samsung is just way too bloated
Sep 14 16:45:31 <mann> it's a fact
Sep 14 16:45:37 <s73v3r> is it?
Sep 14 16:45:40 <mann> Yes
Sep 14 16:45:45 <s73v3r> is it?
Sep 14 16:45:51 <adq> everything is.
Sep 14 16:46:00 <s73v3r> I’ve noticed that 90% of these “it’s a fact” statements usually aren't
Sep 14 16:46:17 <mann> s73v3r, http://www.xda-developers.com/with-the-note-7-samsung-still-delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/
Sep 14 16:46:29 <s73v3r> I trust absolutely nothing from XDA
Sep 14 16:46:30 <mann> Way too much bloat
Sep 14 16:46:46 <_genuser_> I think they're all the same.
Sep 14 16:46:56 <_genuser_> Verizon phones have all this NBA and NFL apps. like I care.
Sep 14 16:47:16 <_genuser_> who gives are crap about footballs score? User A does? Ok, let him install it.
Sep 14 16:47:28 <_genuser_> or if you install it by defualt, let people remove it if they don't care.
Sep 14 16:47:47 <s73v3r> they pre-install it because they paid big bucks to be the exclusive provider for it
Sep 14 16:47:55 <g00s> _genuser_ they get money for putting that there. android users always confuse who the customer is
Sep 14 16:48:06 <g00s> the customer of a free OS is ... not you
Sep 14 16:49:06 <_genuser_> g00s: it's a tricky situation. I pay 800 for a dang phone, I'm a customer buying the phone. I'm buying phone service, I'm a customer buying phone service.
Sep 14 16:49:22 <s73v3r> no, you’re a user
Sep 14 16:49:35 <mann> Samsung makes great hardware. Software, not so much.
Sep 14 16:49:36 <_genuser_> g00s: now the vendor comes in and says, oh it's a free OS, I spent hours customizing it (which nobody asked for), so now I can finally put random sh|t on it.
Sep 14 16:50:03 <_genuser_> no, I'm a customer of the phone service provider.
Sep 14 16:50:04 <s73v3r> you didn’t ask for it. Those willing to pay VZW to preload their app did
Sep 14 16:50:16 <_genuser_> I'm a user of the gadget I bought
Sep 14 16:50:20 <g00s> you paid 800 for hardware, $0 for software because your private info subsidizes the cost of the software
Sep 14 16:50:26 <_genuser_> which I understand comes preloaded with a custom ROM.
Sep 14 16:50:38 <_genuser_> which then includes all sorts of apps preferred by the phone service provider.
Sep 14 16:51:06 <_genuser_> g00s: yeah, that's why I said it's a tricky situation. you pay for the hardware. and the monthly service. but the free OS in there that's the tricky part.
Sep 14 16:51:59 <_genuser_> g00s: the vendor gets to load it with their choice of apps. I wish they'd allow people to uninstall stuff they didn't need. because... leaving it on just for the heck of it has never made me used it.
Sep 14 16:52:24 <_genuser_> now I'm aware that I could root it and go nuts with customizations.
Sep 14 16:52:39 <s73v3r> but the app maker isn’t paying for you to just uninstall it immediately.
Sep 14 16:52:46 <g00s> i think in the EU there is a case going forward in that area, justJanne might know
Sep 14 16:53:24 <_genuser_> s73v3r: I understand the app maker is paying the vendor to pre load it.
Sep 14 16:53:26 <s73v3r> oh, justJanne: Apparently the removal of support lib 24.2.0 was a mistake, not on purpose
Sep 14 16:53:29 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: but phones have GB of storage space and the apps can be deactivated. What's the big thing? :P
Sep 14 16:53:43 <justJanne> s73v3r: yet someone had to do it, and someone else had to sign off on it
Sep 14 16:53:54 <_genuser_> s73v3r: my comment is that once you've seen it, that's it. leaving it on won't get the app maker any more than making it visible did.
Sep 14 16:53:59 <g00s> i still think, one of the reasons why WP never took off, is MS saw what was going on with android bloatware and had strict rules for what could be loaded on device. And pretty much everything can be permanently deleted from a WP device. not so attractive for carriers, oems tho
Sep 14 16:54:01 <_genuser_> it's like advertising. you show it, some want it, some don't.
Sep 14 16:54:31 <_genuser_> also, to be clear, I'm not like super pissed about it. in case it sounded like I was.
Sep 14 16:54:33 <justJanne> g00s: the case in the EU is kinda split. One part is that the OEM shouldn’t be prevented by Google from preloading what they want, but the second part is that the user should be able to remove or replace that preloaded stuff at any time
Sep 14 16:54:39 <mann> g00s, that sucks
Sep 14 16:54:57 <justJanne> ideally, they envision something similar to the situation of windows on desktop: the OEM instlals for you Dell Browser 3.0 with shit,
Sep 14 16:55:00 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: it's no big deal. I just think it's stupid. like, here you MUST HAVE THIS APP.
Sep 14 16:55:05 <justJanne> you can just switch to Firefox anyway
Sep 14 16:55:29 <_genuser_> not sure who uses firefox anymore anyway.
Sep 14 16:55:35 <g00s> in the US, the carriers are actually replacing Samsung apps with their own. for example, VZ replaced Samsung Cloud with VZ Cloud, which costs more
Sep 14 16:55:35 <_genuser_> the worst of the new browsers.
Sep 14 16:55:46 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: err, I use it :P
Sep 14 16:55:52 <_genuser_> g00s: yeah, I saw that on my vz phone.
Sep 14 16:55:55 <justJanne> _genuser_: the only acceptable browser.
Sep 14 16:56:08 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: uh, I tried using it, it's too clunky. I've been using chrome.
Sep 14 16:56:09 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: way more customizeable than Chrome
Sep 14 16:56:24 <justJanne> a browser has to be secure, it has to be trustworthy, and that includes not integrated with any tracking
Sep 14 16:56:35 <CtrlC> Does anyone here use vim? Can you please share your plugin list?
Sep 14 16:56:46 <_genuser_> I don't need customizations or extensions. I need a browser that's really lightweight (and chrome is seriously getting bloated too).
Sep 14 16:56:49 <justJanne> at least google doesn’t do mandatory full scale tracking of Chrome users anymore, and hasn’t for years
Sep 14 16:56:59 <s73v3r> CtrlC: not for android dev
Sep 14 16:57:05 <justJanne> but that they did it in the first place is more than enough reason never to use it
Sep 14 16:57:14 <justJanne> _genuser_: then wait for servo to land in FF
Sep 14 16:57:21 <_genuser_> justJanne: but firefox is only as secure as mozilla base code, which the firefox team downloads each morning, slaps on the firefox logo and builds.
Sep 14 16:57:43 <justJanne> and?
Sep 14 16:57:57 <justJanne> chrome does the same (chromium code), plus adds custom tracking on top.
Sep 14 16:58:07 <justJanne> how is that more trustworthy?
Sep 14 16:58:08 <CtrlC> s73v3r, I mean for android dev.
Sep 14 16:58:20 <_genuser_> so my point was "firefox" brand doesn't add the security.
Sep 14 16:58:28 <s73v3r> CtrlC: That’s what I’m saying
Sep 14 16:58:29 <_genuser_> most browsers today all using mozilla base
Sep 14 16:58:45 <_genuser_> so one browser is about the same as the next, unless they're using different code base.
Sep 14 16:58:46 <justJanne> no
Sep 14 16:58:53 <s73v3r> _genuser_: I”m pretty sure Mozilla isn’t just downloading code and slapping their name on it.
Sep 14 16:58:54 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: can you customize Chrome to be like this? https://i.imgur.com/sI2O7Yx.png
Sep 14 16:58:57 <justJanne> most browsers today run on the KHTML base.
Sep 14 16:59:08 <_genuser_> s73v3r: I didn't say they were.
Sep 14 16:59:14 <justJanne> Which was written from scratch for Konqueror by the KDE project,
Sep 14 16:59:14 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: I've made it so that I can control it with vim keys, Vimperrator plugin
Sep 14 16:59:18 <justJanne> later turned into WebKit,
Sep 14 16:59:21 <justJanne> forked into Blink
Sep 14 16:59:31 <VerbalKint> </brag>
Sep 14 16:59:32 <s73v3r> _genuser_: justJanne: but firefox is only as secure as mozilla base code, which the firefox team downloads each morning, slaps on the firefox logo and builds.
Sep 14 16:59:39 <g00s> this guy is waiting for his android app to build http://i.imgur.com/Fim5O7h.jpg
Sep 14 16:59:47 <_genuser_> s73v3r: I said that about firefox, not mozilla. :)
Sep 14 17:00:00 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: I like the theme.
Sep 14 17:00:05 <justJanne> s73v3r: but Android is only as secure as the BSD base code, which the android team downloads each morning, slaps on the android logo and builds
Sep 14 17:00:10 <justJanne> this is gonna be a new copypasta
Sep 14 17:00:25 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: and it's not only this; Firefox has tons of customizeable stuff in the about:config
Sep 14 17:00:34 <_genuser_> g00s: on android studio, that guy will be waiting for a while.
Sep 14 17:00:47 <truckcrash> i like firefox dev tools better. that's my reason
Sep 14 17:01:02 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: I just want my browser to be invisible basically. just let me surf the page. extensions, etc. etc. like IE, ugh.
Sep 14 17:01:15 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: nothing wrong with that, actually :D
Sep 14 17:01:28 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: Chrome is way better for that than Firefox
Sep 14 17:01:52 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: yeah, I guess that's why I've stuck with it. I don't intall any extensions.
Sep 14 17:02:11 <g00s> truckcrash did you see https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/09/introducing-debugger-html/
Sep 14 17:02:36 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: I wrote one for myself a session tracker. On any given chrome window, if I say "track it" it will track all the open tabs in it. As I open/close tabs, it will track them.
Sep 14 17:02:58 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: if I close the window, it will save all tab list. Later I can restore that specific session from it's ghosted state.
Sep 14 17:03:31 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: an extension?
Sep 14 17:03:48 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: helped me to launch separate windows for each purpose (like music videos, drawing videos) and open and close "sessions" based on what I'm working on.
Sep 14 17:03:57 <_genuser_> VerbalKint: yep a chrome extension.
Sep 14 17:04:54 <_genuser_> I could also open 20 windows, but only mark 5 as being tracked. whether I kill chrome itself or close any of the tracked windows, it will remember the last set of open tabs.
Sep 14 17:05:05 <_genuser_> if I didn't do that, I'd have 300 tabs open at any given time.
Sep 14 17:05:14 <_genuser_> now I'm down to about 100-150, lol.
Sep 14 17:06:05 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: cool :D
Sep 14 17:06:45 <_genuser_> then I tried to publish it, lol. you have to have a dev account, etc. for chrome market place or whatever it's called.
Sep 14 17:07:54 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: do people even buy stuff on that market?
Sep 14 17:08:16 <_genuser_> I don't know, but I think you need to pay $5 to get the "dev account" to publish extensions on chrome marketplace.
Sep 14 17:08:55 <_genuser_> I had to setup google wallet, for downloading some free music. Free Katy Perry album that I wanted.
Sep 14 17:09:08 <VerbalKint> lol
Sep 14 17:09:09 <_genuser_> hmmm, scratch that, it was a metallia album.....
Sep 14 17:09:40 <VerbalKint> _genuser_: of course, of course :P
Sep 14 17:09:42 <_genuser_> so I just setup the wallet with paypal. which in turn wants me to verify with a real credit card. and then accepts a Visa gift card with $0.14 on it.
Sep 14 17:20:31 <pfn> ugh, when coming back out of multiwindow mode, it seems windowTranslucentNavigation doesn't work properly, content doesn't scroll under nav anymore...
Sep 14 17:27:04 <azv4> what needs enabled to expose android to cmd in windows?
Sep 14 17:27:27 <thebishop>  can I update a text view in a widget from the "base" app classes, or do i need to send broadcasts or something? I'm not seeing good guides on this
Sep 14 17:27:31 <azv4> so I can run commands on cmd like Android update project
Sep 14 17:27:52 <s73v3r> azv4: you’d probably have to add adb to your path
Sep 14 17:28:04 <azv4> s73v3r, oh thanks
Sep 14 17:28:10 <s73v3r> or at least the platform tools directory
Sep 14 17:29:08 <azv4> This one? C:/Android.android-sdk/tools
Sep 14 17:29:26 <s73v3r> i think you’d want platform-tools
Sep 14 17:29:36 <s73v3r> whichever one has adb?
Sep 14 17:31:15 <azv4> I dont have any referencing adb on my dev machine that is working properly,
Sep 14 17:31:38 <azv4> This is the only one that references Android in any way outside of java and ant: C:/Android.android-sdk/tools
Sep 14 17:31:43 <s73v3r> you must. otherwise your sdk install is probably broken
Sep 14 17:32:06 <azv4> well it works on this machine just fine, unless Im overlooking something in path to point to adb
Sep 14 17:32:26 <azv4> C:\Program Files\Android\Android Studio\gradle\gradle-2.10\bin
Sep 14 17:32:41 <azv4> thats the only other that references anything that I know to be related to android
Sep 14 17:32:41 <s73v3r> adb for me is in platform-tools
Sep 14 17:34:02 <s73v3r> try adding those directories to your path, but if you’ve got a non-standard setup, there’s not much else I can tell you
Sep 14 17:34:39 <azv4> it is standard so far as I know...
Sep 14 17:35:19 <azv4> looking at path on win7 is terrible sheesh
Sep 14 17:37:45 <azv4> why is adb related to 'android' commands?  those are separate arent they?
Sep 14 17:38:00 <pfn> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=222463
Sep 14 17:38:00 <pfn> meh
Sep 14 17:38:02 <s73v3r> adb is how you install the apps to the device
Sep 14 17:38:30 <pfn> this is such a corner case, there are so few apps that use windowTranslucentNavigation...
Sep 14 17:38:37 <pfn> I can't find any other apps to replicate the behavior
Sep 14 17:38:46 <azv4> Im not installing the apps to the device, Im trying to run 'android update project' on the cmd line in windows
Sep 14 17:39:01 <s73v3r> it’d probably be helpful to write a small demo app that would demonstrate the bug
Sep 14 17:39:10 <SimonVT> android is in either tools/ or platform-tools/ as well
Sep 14 17:39:19 <pfn> android is in tools/
Sep 14 17:39:23 <duboisj> Did something change in Marshmallow which would impact access to the sdcard?  I have a file in my devices Download folder.  I try to read it with new File(Environment.getExternalStoragePublicDirectory(Environment.DIRECTORY_DOWNLOADS), “filename”).
Sep 14 17:39:25 <pfn> s73v3r, it would
Sep 14 17:39:45 <duboisj> with targetSdkVersion set to 22 or lower, I can read the file.  Setting targetSdkVersion to 23 and up leads to EACCESS.
Sep 14 17:40:46 <azv4> I have Android SDK Tools installed...
Sep 14 17:41:01 <thepoosh> g00s: :(
Sep 14 17:41:10 <s73v3r> so add them to the path
Sep 14 17:41:10 <azv4> maybe I need a different version...
Sep 14 17:41:26 <SimonVT> duboisj: Did you request the permission?
Sep 14 17:41:38 <azv4> I dont understand why they dont exist in the path on my main dev machine and I can still run 'android' on the cmd and sdk manger opens
Sep 14 17:41:52 <s73v3r> because it doesn’t install them to the path by default
Sep 14 17:41:53 <duboisj> I have WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE
Sep 14 17:42:00 <raoul11> run time permissions..
Sep 14 17:42:06 <raoul11> the new thang
Sep 14 17:42:20 <raoul11> if you're targeting 23+
Sep 14 17:42:35 <raoul11> and running on a 23+ device.
Sep 14 17:42:46 <thepoosh> raoul11: did you ever hear about memory issues and NPEs being called from having too many static variables?
Sep 14 17:43:00 <raoul11> i hardly ever use static
Sep 14 17:43:13 <raoul11> but no, i did not
Sep 14 17:43:30 <thepoosh> anybody heard about something like this?
Sep 14 17:43:35 <thepoosh> sounds like pure voodoo
Sep 14 17:45:16 <Afzal> Has firebase crash reporting library caused "Installation Blocked" for anyone else?
Sep 14 17:46:08 <duboisj> raoul11: Ok, got it.  Probably that’s it.  tx.
Sep 14 17:46:22 <raoul11> thepoosh: http://i.imgur.com/5w4tehB.png
Sep 14 17:47:51 <pfn> hmm, google photos handles this correctly...
Sep 14 17:48:02 <pfn> maybe I should decompile and see what they do
Sep 14 17:49:31 <Afzal> pfn handles what?
Sep 14 17:49:35 <thepoosh> Afzal: this is the first time I heard about that
Sep 14 17:49:40 <azv4> s73v3r, am I looking at the 'path' as defined in advanced system settings/environment variables, or is this a path located in AS somewhere?
Sep 14 17:49:49 <pfn> Afzal, entering and exiting multiwindow in conjunction with windowTranslucentNavigation
Sep 14 17:49:53 <s73v3r> if you want to do it on CMD, the former
Sep 14 17:50:00 <Afzal> thepoosh I'm not sure what's causing it but it seems to have gone after removing that
Sep 14 17:50:00 <raoul11> all i know bout firebase is that you can export to bigquery
Sep 14 17:50:21 <s73v3r> pfn: if you find out, please share
Sep 14 17:50:25 <Afzal> raoul11 it has lots of things now, including crash reporting
Sep 14 17:50:36 <pfn> s73v3r, I always share  :P
Sep 14 17:50:42 <raoul11> Afzal its a private joke /:
Sep 14 17:51:00 <thepoosh> Afzal: it opens another process so that might be the issue
Sep 14 17:51:14 <azv4> s73v3r, what path do I need to add exactly?
Sep 14 17:51:23 <azv4> Im not following very well what you are suggesting
Sep 14 17:51:52 <azv4> the path to the adb.exe that resides in the program files/android folder?
Sep 14 17:52:27 <Afzal> thepoosh hmm, I guess manifest -> multiprocess="true" should do the trick then
Sep 14 17:52:53 <Afzal> nvm, not an option :(
Sep 14 17:52:57 <thepoosh> souldn't make any difference, FirebaseCrash forks a process weather you want to or not
Sep 14 17:53:59 <Afzal> Then I am perplexed as to how that is blocked :/
Sep 14 17:54:07 <Afzal> there has to be something I can do about this
Sep 14 17:54:44 <thepoosh> what you can do is prevent the singletons from being created in the Application oncreate
Sep 14 17:56:20 <justJanne> Afzal: have you tried finding out the actual error message of "Installation blocked"?
Sep 14 17:56:24 <justJanne> anything more in-detail?
Sep 14 17:57:00 <s73v3r> azv4: you add the path to that directory into your windows path
Sep 14 17:57:07 <azv4> add what path?
Sep 14 17:57:10 <Afzal> justJanne I'll check logcat next time, I didn't notice anything in it back then
Sep 14 17:57:11 <azv4> the path to what?
Sep 14 17:57:13 <pfn> wtf does nougat still have the "android is upgrading; optimizing app" dialog
Sep 14 17:57:32 <s73v3r> the path to the tools
Sep 14 17:57:35 <azv4> I can't find any adb.exe on any of my dev systems, so I guess that's not what you are referring to when you say 'adb'
Sep 14 17:57:37 <Afzal> justJanne installation blocked is a dialog that shows up on the phone fyi
Sep 14 17:57:40 <s73v3r> the thing we’ve been talking about the whole time
Sep 14 17:57:43 <azv4> what\ is the name of the tools?
Sep 14 17:57:48 <azv4> are you trolling me seriously?\
Sep 14 17:58:05 <azv4> or do you just assume, even after me asking 5 times in 5 different ways that I understand what kind of tools you refer to?
Sep 14 17:58:06 <justJanne> azv4: so, where have you installed the android sdk?
Sep 14 17:58:15 <justJanne> with the android tools,
Sep 14 17:58:19 <justJanne> like adb, and co?
Sep 14 17:58:22 <justJanne> that path.
Sep 14 17:58:24 <azv4> yes
Sep 14 17:58:28 <s73v3r> azv4: i told you the directories: platform-tools and tools
Sep 14 17:58:37 <s73v3r> whwere you have the sdk installed
Sep 14 17:58:39 <justJanne> take the folder path towards those two folders.
Sep 14 17:58:49 <justJanne> add it to PATH in the system environment variables
Sep 14 17:58:52 <pfn> adb: error: remote object '/data/app/com.google.android.apps.photos-2/base.apk' does not exist
Sep 14 17:58:56 <justJanne> how to do that depends on your OS, google it
Sep 14 17:58:56 <pfn> wtf, I can adb shell ls that bitch
Sep 14 17:59:24 <justJanne> pfn: have you tried adb shell cp (that path) /sdcard ?
Sep 14 17:59:31 <justJanne> or checking file permissions?
Sep 14 17:59:48 <justJanne> adb permissions have been cut back a few times recently, might be this again
Sep 14 17:59:54 <pfn> > logcat
Sep 14 17:59:54 <pfn>  W  (15511) unknown : type=1400 audit(0.0:207): avc: denied { search } for comm=73657276696365203231 name="app" dev="dm-2" ino=59 scontext=u:r:adbd:s0 tcontext=u:object_r:apk_data_file:s0 tclass=dir permissive=0
Sep 14 17:59:58 <pfn> hmm
Sep 14 18:01:37 * pfn fetches from apkmirror
Sep 14 18:01:54 <missingno> stupid selinux
Sep 14 18:04:07 <azv4> ffs this laptop doesn't have a folder named android-sdk on it...
Sep 14 18:04:28 <azv4> the SDKs are installed!  I can open AS, start an emu, run the app
Sep 14 18:04:53 <azv4> \the sdk manager.exe is located in appData/local for some reason, not sure if this is affecting my searches
Sep 14 18:05:49 <azv4> ok, so for some reason the android-sdk folder on this laptop is only named sdk, and is in C\users\user\appdata\locatl\android\sdk
Sep 14 18:06:03 <azv4> that seems strange, but Ill try to go with it
Sep 14 18:08:36 <azv4> yay, its fixed!
Sep 14 18:08:56 <azv4> thanks s73v3r, justJanne, and pfn, and anyone I missed
Sep 14 18:09:45 <arancio> I downloaded a tabbing example project from developer.android.com but it's full of deprecated methods. Do you know any updated tabbed example project?
Sep 14 18:09:59 <azv4> *sigh*, my builder still wont build my project via cmd on this new laptop...
Sep 14 18:10:17 <azv4> still get zero error message too heh, it just stops and does throw anything...
Sep 14 18:10:23 <azv4> works fine on my main dev machine
Sep 14 18:10:38 <arancio> azv4: my android sdk is placed in the same location on my computer
Sep 14 18:10:38 <justJanne> arancio: not really, look at material tab libraries and their usage examples
Sep 14 18:10:46 <justJanne> You'll want one of those anyway
Sep 14 18:11:24 <arancio> justJanne: ok. not sure what you are talking about but I'll google "material tab libraries". Thanks!
Sep 14 18:13:16 <SimonVT> TabLayout is the current way of doing tabs
Sep 14 18:13:29 <orbyt_> Yes, dont use a lib for it
Sep 14 18:13:33 <orbyt_> check out cheesesquare on github
Sep 14 18:20:33 <xximjasonxx> hey guys, i am trying to use a spannablestring to display text and an icon in a button. Thus far no matter what I do, i can only ever get the text
Sep 14 18:21:00 <xximjasonxx> would there be an issue using a mipmap over a drawable for such a case?
Sep 14 18:22:07 <raoul11> why not use a drawabletop/left/right directly on the button xximjasonxx ?
Sep 14 18:22:36 <arancio> SimonVT: thanks
Sep 14 18:22:37 <xximjasonxx> raoul11: trying to get it to center with the text
Sep 14 18:22:39 <arancio> orbyt_: thanks
Sep 14 18:23:20 <xximjasonxx> raoul11: with a drawable left/right the text would be centered and the icon hanging off the side, no?
Sep 14 18:23:45 <raoul11> yes, but on the button itself
Sep 14 18:23:47 <raoul11> not out of it
Sep 14 18:23:58 <raoul11> center/bottom as well
Sep 14 18:24:07 <xximjasonxx> right but the contents would not look centered, no?
Sep 14 18:24:22 <xximjasonxx> the contents as a whole
Sep 14 18:24:37 <raoul11> they should
Sep 14 18:24:45 <xximjasonxx> i guess i am confused
Sep 14 18:24:57 <xximjasonxx> if i used the drawable, you are talking about making a background with the icon
Sep 14 18:25:01 <Ashiren> try gravity center
Sep 14 18:25:01 <xximjasonxx> and then having the text in the front
Sep 14 18:25:05 <xximjasonxx> or are you talking about something else?
Sep 14 18:25:13 <xximjasonxx> Ashiren: text is already gravity centered
Sep 14 18:25:38 <Ashiren> where do you want the icon be placed
Sep 14 18:25:45 <raoul11> xximjasonxx do you want the icon to be placed behind the text?
Sep 14 18:25:52 <xximjasonxx> i want the text and the icon to be centered in the button
Sep 14 18:26:00 <xximjasonxx> the icon just to the left of the text
Sep 14 18:26:02 <raoul11> like this xximjasonxx http://i.imgur.com/4Rohrmf.png ?
Sep 14 18:26:04 <Ashiren> so try drawableLeft
Sep 14 18:26:16 <Ashiren> afair it will be centered next to text
Sep 14 18:26:23 <xximjasonxx> raoul11: negative, same line
Sep 14 18:26:24 <raoul11> it should
Sep 14 18:27:02 <xximjasonxx> basically, the image has to be next to the text. So I am a bit confused since the drawable will be placed in the button independant of the text
Sep 14 18:27:10 <xximjasonxx> hence the contents as a whole would not be centered, only the text
Sep 14 18:27:44 <raoul11> xximjasonxx like this http://i.imgur.com/RdXvkTo.png ?
Sep 14 18:28:11 <xximjasonxx> raoul11: correct
Sep 14 18:28:18 <raoul11> drawbleLeft
Sep 14 18:28:37 <xximjasonxx> keep in mind that the button is much longer than the text
Sep 14 18:28:59 <raoul11> it will be fine, im wrapping it
Sep 14 18:29:04 <xximjasonxx> so if we take the image you provided and extended the left and right edges outward say, 100dp
Sep 14 18:29:09 <raoul11> plus, you can use padding
Sep 14 18:29:16 <xximjasonxx> will drawable left not maintain a left alignment to the left edge of the button?
Sep 14 18:29:44 <xximjasonxx> i see, so basically manually center it using the paddingLeft
Sep 14 18:30:11 <Ashiren> try first and see for results
Sep 14 18:30:21 <Ashiren> there is drawablePadding for padding between text and icon
Sep 14 18:30:36 <raoul11> xximjasonxx http://i.imgur.com/BMSo7Du.png
Sep 14 18:30:50 <raoul11> this is with the width set to 200dp
Sep 14 18:31:08 <raoul11> and 50dp padding to both sides
Sep 14 18:31:14 <xximjasonxx> raoul11: that is precisely what i am looking for. that can be accomplished by using gravity left|center_vertical and paddingLeft ?
Sep 14 18:31:36 <xximjasonxx> cause that wasnt what i saw when i played with it earlier, but then i had my gravity set to center
Sep 14 18:31:57 <raoul11> i used paddingRight and paddingLeft
Sep 14 18:32:07 <xximjasonxx> makes sense. let me give it a gry'
Sep 14 18:32:11 <xximjasonxx> *try
Sep 14 18:32:13 <raoul11> no gravity set
Sep 14 18:33:41 <xximjasonxx> hrmm
Sep 14 18:33:51 <xximjasonxx> let me readd the gravity, cause it did what i saw it do this morning
Sep 14 18:33:59 <raoul11> xximjasonxx http://pastebin.com/9m6JBPnS
Sep 14 18:35:34 <xximjasonxx> weird
Sep 14 18:35:34 <xximjasonxx> http://pastebin.com/8UAEVR7T
Sep 14 18:35:53 <xximjasonxx> tried it with and without gravity and both cases the padding only affected the text, not the drawable
Sep 14 18:37:02 <Ashiren> make gravity center only or remove it
Sep 14 18:37:58 <xximjasonxx> i will try setting it to center. with no definition it uses center by default, based on behavior
Sep 14 18:38:04 <raoul11> add more padding to the left xximjasonxx
Sep 14 18:38:37 <xximjasonxx> Ashiren: center affected the text and but it in the center of the button. The drawable is hugging the left edge
Sep 14 18:38:49 <xximjasonxx> raoul11: ok
Sep 14 18:39:16 <raoul11> http://i.imgur.com/hTFYDk2.png
Sep 14 18:39:27 <xximjasonxx> increasing to 50 each side
Sep 14 18:40:05 <raoul11> make more on the left, coz the text is a bit long
Sep 14 18:40:27 <raoul11> i did 80/30 on that image
Sep 14 18:40:41 <raoul11> you can play with it till you nail exactly what you want
Sep 14 18:40:45 <xximjasonxx> good call raoul11 my initial padding was not big enough, i can now see the the drawable moving with the text
Sep 14 18:41:00 <xximjasonxx> yeah, thanks for that
Sep 14 18:41:02 <raoul11> anyways dinner, goodluck (:
Sep 14 18:41:12 <xximjasonxx> still wish i knew why i cant get spannable strings to work
Sep 14 18:41:12 <xximjasonxx> thanks again
Sep 14 18:52:25 <Afzal> oh boy Too many method references: 153893
Sep 14 18:52:49 <DelphiWorld> hey
Sep 14 18:53:43 <pfn> lel
Sep 14 18:53:48 <pfn> wtf have you added to your app
Sep 14 18:54:37 <DelphiWorld> anyone good in mobile app backend?
Sep 14 18:55:20 <xximjasonxx> define good
Sep 14 18:55:21 <xximjasonxx> :-D
Sep 14 18:55:36 <xximjasonxx> if i try hard, i might be able to right an if statement :)
Sep 14 18:55:40 <DelphiWorld> xximjasonxx: do you develope backend like in php
Sep 14 18:56:07 <xximjasonxx> i have developed backends in many languages, php included
Sep 14 18:56:39 <pfn> s73v3r, my workaround: onMultiWindowModeChanged(boolean b) { if (b) recreate(); }
Sep 14 18:56:49 <pfn> er, if (!b)
Sep 14 18:56:51 <DelphiWorld> xximjasonxx: ok, expect a rocket landing bethwan your hands ;)
Sep 14 18:57:45 <DelphiWorld> xximjasonxx: pm
Sep 14 18:57:47 <xximjasonxx> when you say rocket, are you referring to a small scale firework like a bottle rocket? or is spacex up to something nefarious?
Sep 14 18:58:07 <DelphiWorld> xximjasonxx: i mean a pm lol
Sep 14 18:58:18 <xximjasonxx> DelphiWorld: please talk out here - if your question is related to Android someone will answer
Sep 14 18:58:30 <xximjasonxx> if it related to something else, i would go to the appropriate channel
Sep 14 18:58:42 <DelphiWorld> xximjasonxx: it's something else... :P
Sep 14 18:59:08 <xximjasonxx> then please use that channel. the #php channel is usually pretty lively
Sep 14 19:00:30 <pfn> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=222463#c1
Sep 14 19:02:49 <Faizan> Is it bad practice to provide just an xxhdpi asset for example, and let android down sample for the rest?
Sep 14 19:04:27 <SimonVT> yes
Sep 14 19:04:52 <truckcrash> also, it would have to up-sample for xxxhdpi
Sep 14 19:05:16 <Faizan> Hmm, I don't provide for xxxhdpi anyway
Sep 14 19:05:22 <Faizan> just xxhdpi, xhdpi, hdpi and mdpi
Sep 14 19:06:00 <purplex88> I just created an AVD but its size is huge on disk: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tsopylefmo5m70f/New%20Android%20AVD%20Files%20Size.png I picked only 250 MB of internal storage and 100 MB SD.
Sep 14 19:07:45 <Mavrik> Did you really just paste a whole PNG to show a single number? :P
Sep 14 19:08:12 <purplex88> there were two files
Sep 14 19:09:01 <purplex88> it doesn't seem normal
Sep 14 19:11:49 <_genuser_> ok, so since my note II is working, I'm moving my app from api 19, down to 16, lol. because I want to run it on that one also.
Sep 14 19:13:54 <pfn> that's relatively easy to do, depending on what you're using
Sep 14 19:18:40 <_genuser_> pfn: mostly seemed like a change in gradle. I'll run it now and see how it actually does.
Sep 14 19:19:05 <_genuser_> I lol'd because I was hoping just put it to API21 and ignore everything else. and now I'm supporting 16.
Sep 14 19:34:23 <justJanne> moving below 19 can be really painful later on
Sep 14 19:34:27 <justJanne> I really wouldn’t do it
Sep 14 19:34:41 <_genuser_> justJanne: oh? any specifics you know of?
Sep 14 19:34:46 <justJanne> Java 7.
Sep 14 19:35:07 <Ashiren> huh
Sep 14 19:35:12 <justJanne> try-with-resources, new SSL libs, new NIO and Channel libs, a fuckton of new android libs, etc.
Sep 14 19:35:30 <justJanne> all the newer getDrawable(int, Theme) are only available there, too
Sep 14 19:35:35 <_genuser_> justJanne: ah, good information.
Sep 14 19:37:27 <justJanne> For quasseldroid, we have even today 300 daily active user on Gingerbread even
Sep 14 19:37:36 <Afzal> justJanne so it says INTALL_FAILED_VERIFICATION_FAILURE when installing from Android Studio
Sep 14 19:37:53 <Afzal> and it's definitely not caused by firebase since I'm not using it now :/
Sep 14 19:38:08 <Afzal> time to look at Android studio known issues probably
Sep 14 19:38:08 <justJanne> > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15014519/apk-installation-failed-install-failed-verification-failure
Sep 14 19:38:47 <justJanne> all combined, almost half of daily active quasseldroid users are on pre-kitkat
Sep 14 19:38:52 <justJanne> ouch, that’s an issue
Sep 14 19:39:48 <Afzal> justJanne I am looking at that exact SO answer and that's not the answer to my problem
Sep 14 19:39:52 <justJanne> and we have one of the most up-to-date userbases compared to most android apps, with over a third on marshmallow
Sep 14 19:40:02 <Afzal> since I do have unsigned apps allowed
Sep 14 19:40:30 <pfn> you must untrusted
Sep 14 19:40:33 <justJanne> well, try out the other answers, or google more
Sep 14 19:40:37 <pfn> all apps must be signed
Sep 14 19:40:38 <Afzal> and no, disabling the verifier is not an answer since I'm not doing anything untrusted
Sep 14 19:40:43 <Afzal> yes I'm googling!!
Sep 14 19:40:53 <Afzal> this is for debug pfn
Sep 14 19:40:55 <Afzal> through AS
Sep 14 19:41:13 <pfn> all debug apps are signed
Sep 14 19:41:20 <pfn> read adb logcat
Sep 14 19:41:24 <pfn> it tells the reason
Sep 14 19:41:32 <Afzal> yes I know
Sep 14 19:41:34 <Afzal> it is signed
Sep 14 19:42:14 <Afzal> this is an issue because: Android Studio is supposed to sign with the debug key and install it but MAYBE it's not doing that or it's doing something else. Either way, this is not an expected behavior
Sep 14 19:42:16 <Afzal> capiche?
Sep 14 19:42:45 <pfn> read logcat
Sep 14 19:42:50 <pfn> or gtfo
Sep 14 19:43:19 <Afzal> nothing helpful in logcat
Sep 14 19:43:25 <Afzal> just let me google
Sep 14 19:43:28 <pfn> you're blins
Sep 14 19:43:30 <pfn> blind
Sep 14 19:43:33 <Afzal> obviously you haven't seen this issue
Sep 14 19:43:34 <Afzal> so stfu
Sep 14 19:43:37 <pfn> it tells you the exact reason
Sep 14 19:43:49 <_genuser_> justJanne: sorry, boss called. ok, I see lot of good reasons to just stay at 19 and once distribution drops lower (curently at 27.7%) then I'll just lock it to 21.
Sep 14 19:43:54 <Afzal> pfn here man: http://hastebin.com/nuvumaqadu.sql
Sep 14 19:44:04 <Afzal> I read it, it's not written there
Sep 14 19:44:05 <Afzal> okay?
Sep 14 19:44:15 <pfn> that's not logcat
Sep 14 19:44:21 <pfn> that's filtered and incomplete
Sep 14 19:44:23 <Afzal> stfu plz
Sep 14 19:44:27 <pfn> you're blind
Sep 14 19:44:30 <justJanne> _genuser_: I made my own libs to deal with that and inject compat calls, but at least it works
Sep 14 19:44:55 <Afzal> I see you're still annoying as ever pfn
Sep 14 19:45:15 <pfn> that's only because you're still as stupid as ever
Sep 14 19:45:26 <Afzal> aaaand ignore
Sep 14 19:45:28 <Mavrik> ^^
Sep 14 19:45:31 <_genuser_> justJanne: I see. mine's a social experiment. if the app takes off, it takes off. so with that in mind, I guess I'm not really targetting grandpas using old beater phones etc. etc.
Sep 14 19:46:01 <Mavrik> Target 23 then? :)
Sep 14 19:46:13 <justJanne> _genuser_: depends on who your users are
Sep 14 19:46:23 <justJanne> especially younger people are often on not so new devices
Sep 14 19:46:23 <_genuser_> Mavrik: 21 is good enough.
Sep 14 19:46:28 <justJanne> because upgrading is expensive,
Sep 14 19:46:36 <justJanne> and students don’t have unlimited disposable money
Sep 14 19:46:43 <_genuser_> justJanne: but aren't kids all spoiled today using the latest and greated?
Sep 14 19:46:51 <_genuser_> I was thinking 19 should be avialble on decent phones.
Sep 14 19:47:04 <_genuser_> I bought mine 250 unlocked. galaxy alpha. it's 19.
Sep 14 19:47:04 <Afzal> justJanne yeah, just ask the kids using the latest iphones, it's insane how they *have* that stuff without money, even in debt
Sep 14 19:47:14 <justJanne> my 15yo sister switched only from 4.2 to 6.0 last month,
Sep 14 19:47:21 <justJanne> because a friend gave us his old Nexus 5,
Sep 14 19:47:23 <justJanne> and I repaired it
Sep 14 19:47:35 <justJanne> all her friends are still on the galaxy SIII mini
Sep 14 19:47:37 <Afzal> she doesn't have a credit card yet, I see :D
Sep 14 19:47:41 <jfpoole> If students don’t have unlimited money, does it make sense to build apps for them? :-)
Sep 14 19:47:54 <raoul11> theres like 18% still using ICS to JB
Sep 14 19:47:56 <Afzal> jfpoole hence sell their data :p
Sep 14 19:47:57 <justJanne> jfpoole: well, as said, it depends on your target group ;)
Sep 14 19:48:03 <justJanne> you could also get them hooked,
Sep 14 19:48:07 <justJanne> and 10 years down the road,
Sep 14 19:48:09 <_genuser_> ok screw pre-kit-kat world.
Sep 14 19:48:11 <justJanne> make the product expensive
Sep 14 19:48:25 <jfpoole> Problem is, after 10 years, people will revolt if you change the price.
Sep 14 19:48:29 <justJanne> The reason why so many companies don’t care if people pirate their tools,
Sep 14 19:48:39 <raoul11> why _genuser_ ?
Sep 14 19:48:43 <justJanne> because they know when they grow up it’s awesome when they only know how to use photoshop
Sep 14 19:48:50 <Zta> Why the hell doesn't Google fix their docs? https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?can=2&start=0&num=100&q=&colspec=ID%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars%20Reporter%20Opened&groupby=&sort=&id=41000
Sep 14 19:49:17 <_genuser_> raoul11: why pre-kit-kat? I'm looking at my app on api 16 and it just doesn't render properly. I'll have to put in extra effort every step of the way.
Sep 14 19:49:23 <Afzal> here pfn https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=221585&sort=-id&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars it's a bug see
Sep 14 19:49:35 <_genuser_> raoul11: justJanne  mentioned few other reasons. and I was originally targetting 19.
Sep 14 19:49:38 <raoul11> any specific function?
Sep 14 19:49:41 <jfpoole> justJanne: Yeah, but when those kids grow up they *know* they’ll have to pay for PS (or whatever) because they’ve been stealing it all these years.
Sep 14 19:49:49 <raoul11> targetting and minSdking is diff
Sep 14 19:49:57 <jfpoole> If you set the price of your app low to entice students, they’ll expect it to be cheap later on, too.
Sep 14 19:50:00 <Mavrik> _genuser_, how did you manage to code the app in the way that doesn't render properly pre-19? What did you use?
Sep 14 19:50:04 <_genuser_> raoul11: minsdk'ing 19. targetting 21+.
Sep 14 19:50:20 <raoul11> im interested to know as well
Sep 14 19:50:39 <pfn> Afzal, doesn't look like the same issue
Sep 14 19:50:43 <raoul11> i had problems with colorful fonts on 4.3 and lower though
Sep 14 19:50:47 <_genuser_> Mavrik: textalignment="center", redners fine on everything except 16.
Sep 14 19:51:23 <Afzal> pfn it's exactly the same thing man, using AS 2.2 RC, using gradle plugin 2.2 RC, MAC, Java 1.8, same bug, gms use
Sep 14 19:51:30 <Mavrik> On which widget (vs. for example gravity = center) ?
Sep 14 19:51:30 <Afzal> yup it's the same bug as I'm experiencing
Sep 14 19:51:53 <pfn> you made no mention of a dialog on device
Sep 14 19:51:58 <_genuser_> Mavrik: TextView
Sep 14 19:52:22 <justJanne> indeed.
Sep 14 19:52:22 <pfn> Afzal, nor do you have the same logcat, thus, not the same. bug
Sep 14 19:52:39 <Mavrik> textAlignment isn't a valid property of textview? O.o
Sep 14 19:52:51 <Mavrik> How does that even work :)
Sep 14 19:53:06 <_genuser_> Mavrik: let me check which one I'm using, lol.
Sep 14 19:53:17 <Afzal> pfn you didn't read properly, I did mention a dialog earlier on, you probably didn't see it since I was talking to justjanne
Sep 14 19:53:26 <justJanne> Afzal: nope, you didn’t
Sep 14 19:53:32 <justJanne> And I read it all
Sep 14 19:53:34 <Afzal> and that's pretty much the same logcat
Sep 14 19:53:35 <pfn> perhaps so then, sorry if that's the case
Sep 14 19:53:42 <Afzal> oh oh Ima find out now justJanne just you wait
Sep 14 19:53:45 <pfn> but I ignore justJanne
Sep 14 19:53:59 <pfn> and anything related
Sep 14 19:54:00 <raoul11> everyone does pfn
Sep 14 19:54:01 <_genuser_> Mavrik: it is textAlignment and surprisingly it works on 19+. heh
Sep 14 19:54:16 <_genuser_> Mavrik: widget editor doesn't complain about it either.
Sep 14 19:54:25 <_genuser_> I said TextView before, right?
Sep 14 19:54:44 <_genuser_> ok, I guess I can add the gravity too.
Sep 14 19:54:54 <justJanne> raoul11: only a handful of people have me ignored, the most actually aren’t immediately riled up about everything
Sep 14 19:55:04 <raoul11> am kiddin justJanne btw
Sep 14 19:55:10 <justJanne> ah lol
Sep 14 19:55:22 <_genuser_> but there's also stuff like fonts. roboto-sans-thin works on 19+. not on 16
Sep 14 19:55:23 <raoul11> was just jumpin on the current drama bandwaggon
Sep 14 19:55:51 <_genuser_> I think i've only ever threatned one person with ignore on irc.
Sep 14 19:56:21 <_genuser_> and that person was extremely annoying and disrespectful.
Sep 14 19:56:34 <_genuser_> the rest is just internet. people have opinions. blah blah
Sep 14 19:56:34 <raoul11> name names _genuser_ /:
Sep 14 19:56:36 <justJanne> I only got the motherducking announce bot of #fdroid on ignore
Sep 14 19:56:46 <_genuser_> raoul11: different world it was. some bitcoin mining channel.
Sep 14 19:56:52 <justJanne> *!gibot@*
Sep 14 19:57:14 <justJanne> always posts announces every few minutes, and I see "oh, new messages", and it’s just that fucking bot
Sep 14 19:57:34 <_genuser_> lol. "you've got mail"
Sep 14 19:57:46 <_genuser_> "hello it's prince ahmed from nigeria with your millions"
Sep 14 19:57:53 <Afzal> justJanne nvm it seems like there aren't any logs for this channel :( so I cannot prove it
Sep 14 19:57:57 <Afzal> _genuser_ yo hook me up!
Sep 14 19:58:08 <_genuser_> Afzal: with millions from nigeria?
Sep 14 19:58:15 <justJanne> _genuser_: it’s like those github emails when someone comments on a threasd
Sep 14 19:58:16 <Afzal> ya man
Sep 14 19:58:28 <justJanne> that curl thread is still making my inbox blow up every day
Sep 14 19:59:06 <_genuser_> justJanne: heh, I only have a couple of original repos. and now and then someone will star them. but no email on those. kinda brightens the day tho, thinking somebody stars my crappy code.
Sep 14 19:59:13 <Afzal> like those emails from code.google.com from an issue you completely forgot you starred and it's not even relevant to you anymore
Sep 14 19:59:36 <_genuser_> Afzal: pfft, just wait and a disgraced minister from Nigeria will be reaching out to you in your email any minute. apparently they're being outed from gov't every 5 minutes.
Sep 14 19:59:54 <Afzal> _genuser_ mine are all scammers man, you probably have better ones
Sep 14 20:00:01 <Afzal> a prince
Sep 14 20:00:23 <_genuser_> Afzal: they are all princes and ministers
Sep 14 20:00:28 <_genuser_> probably rotating personas.
Sep 14 20:00:43 <Afzal> at least one has got to be real by now
Sep 14 20:00:53 <Afzal> sometimes it's old ladies from UK
Sep 14 20:00:56 <Afzal> who are close to dying
Sep 14 20:01:05 <_genuser_> Afzal: my uncle called us once from Canada
Sep 14 20:01:06 <Afzal> they just wanna give the money to a good person!
Sep 14 20:01:18 <_genuser_> he was excited!!!! he says so I've won the lottery!!! man oh man.
Sep 14 20:01:23 <Afzal> ahahahah
Sep 14 20:01:29 <Afzal> did you break it to him?
Sep 14 20:01:32 <_genuser_> and it turns out it was one of those scams. he wouldn't believe us for quite a while.
Sep 14 20:02:22 <Faizan> If I set a minimum sdk level do I still have to specify the <uses sdk> tag in my manifest to stop older API phones from downloading them?
Sep 14 20:03:29 <Afzal> Faizan no. If you put those things in build.gradle you won't have to put them in the manifest
Sep 14 20:03:48 <Faizan> Awesome cheers
Sep 14 20:04:07 <Faizan> It's in the app gradle, not the project wide build.grade though, that's correct right?
Sep 14 20:04:33 <justJanne> Afzal: [14.9.2016, 19:57:37] Afzal: justJanne installation blocked is a dialog that shows up on the phone fyi
Sep 14 20:04:49 <justJanne> you said it right when I was switching from laptop to PC,
Sep 14 20:04:57 <justJanne> cause I finished cooking dinner and went up eating
Sep 14 20:06:16 <Afzal> hahaha
Sep 14 20:06:29 <Afzal> fair :D see pfn, now stfu
Sep 14 20:06:42 <Mavrik> Hey hey.
Sep 14 20:06:49 <Mavrik> We <3 pfn, don't insult him.
Sep 14 20:06:49 <Afzal> sorry :/
Sep 14 20:06:53 <Afzal> oh we do?
Sep 14 20:06:55 <Afzal> okay
Sep 14 20:06:57 <Afzal> suuure
Sep 14 20:06:59 <justJanne> http://i.imgur.com/Aj4oCUG.png
Sep 14 20:07:27 <Afzal> justJanne whoa, what app is that?
Sep 14 20:07:41 <Afzal> why is your irc app so material!
Sep 14 20:07:44 <Afzal> I want this
Sep 14 20:07:45 <justJanne> it’s a self-written search system for the quassel bouncer
Sep 14 20:07:54 <Afzal> :(
Sep 14 20:07:56 <Afzal> okay
Sep 14 20:07:58 <_genuser_> it took api 21 just to introduce letterspacing?
Sep 14 20:07:59 <_genuser_> ugh
Sep 14 20:08:02 <justJanne> it’s available online, though
Sep 14 20:08:04 <justJanne> on github
Sep 14 20:08:17 <justJanne> you only need quassel to use it, and postgresql as storage backend
Sep 14 20:08:28 <Afzal> ah okay
Sep 14 20:08:39 <Afzal> thanks!
Sep 14 20:08:51 <_genuser_> justJanne: you're quoting me by posting that picture.
Sep 14 20:08:54 <_genuser_> I demand royalties
Sep 14 20:09:12 <Afzal> Once I've gone through the ML courses, ima use quassel + ipython notebook and look up weird stats about this channel
Sep 14 20:09:15 <justJanne> _genuser_: the VG wort decided: you get 0.01€ royalties for the value of that.
Sep 14 20:09:31 <justJanne> after 1.19€ taxes, you have an outstanding bill of 1.18€
Sep 14 20:09:36 <justJanne> please pay your tax bill, citizen
Sep 14 20:10:02 <_genuser_> err, on second thought, this one's free....
Sep 14 20:22:06 <Faizan> Could someone explain what targetSdkVersion actually specifies? I've done some reading but I can't make complete sense of it
Sep 14 20:24:33 <truckcrash> it is the newest version of the SDK that you have developed your app for, tested it on and ensured it is working as you intend
Sep 14 20:26:00 <Faizan> truckcrash: so it's common for minSdkVersion and targetSdkVersion to be different?
Sep 14 20:26:29 <Ashiren> yes
Sep 14 20:26:36 <Faizan> my minimum API level is 19, and that's also the api level of the device (google tango), that I'm testing on primarily, but targetSdkVersion was set to 24 by default. Is it advised I change this to 19?
Sep 14 20:26:46 <Ashiren> no
Sep 14 20:26:56 <Ashiren> target always newest sdk
Sep 14 20:27:02 <Ashiren> right now is 24 (N, Nougat)
Sep 14 20:27:22 <Faizan> but doesn't that contradict what truckcrash said in my use case "newest version of the SDK that you have developed your app for, tested it on and ensured it is working as you intend"
Sep 14 20:27:25 <pfn> tango is kitkat? yuck
Sep 14 20:27:30 <Laire> Hi, somebody have experience with connecting to a ftp server which use FTP over explicit TLS/SSL? I could connect to the server, but when I try to upload a file i get "Broken pipe". And in the ftp folder i have a empty file with the name from the file which i tried to upload.
Sep 14 20:27:31 <Afzal> 55k methods :/ whew, close one
Sep 14 20:27:32 <Faizan> yeah pfn, won't update either..
Sep 14 20:27:36 <Ashiren> minsdk is minimum you want to support, so 19 and newer
Sep 14 20:27:36 <Laire> The code: http://pastebin.com/UdATtrCb
Sep 14 20:27:53 <Ashiren> Faizan: truckcrash he probably meant target sdk
Sep 14 20:28:10 <Faizan> right okay so always make target the latest
Sep 14 20:28:11 <Faizan> thanks :)
Sep 14 20:28:27 <truckcrash> yes, always target the latest version
Sep 14 20:28:28 <Faizan> still slightly confused as truckcrash said to make it the version you tested with
Sep 14 20:28:36 <justJanne> question, multidimensional ranking functions?
Sep 14 20:28:40 <truckcrash> i cannot think
Sep 14 20:28:43 <Faizan> and I won't be testing with anything newer than 19 (i can't)
Sep 14 20:28:47 <truckcrash> of a good reason to not
Sep 14 20:29:08 <justJanne> I have postgresql’s text vector ranking result, and a timespan how old a result is,
Sep 14 20:29:12 <pfn> targeting 23+ is bad if you don't handle permissions
Sep 14 20:29:26 <justJanne> what’s the best way to correlate them for multidimensional ranking?
Sep 14 20:29:38 <justJanne> divide by timespan?
Sep 14 20:29:52 <Ashiren> actually its good to test on oldest device you can. but probably one with android 5+ and then android M might behave slightly different
Sep 14 20:29:59 <Faizan> pfn: so even if I do handle permissions, but don't test on anything newer than 19, should I still make target sdk 24?
Sep 14 20:30:07 <Ashiren> eventually you can test it in emulator
Sep 14 20:30:16 <Faizan> i can't use any emulators because i'm using tango service and the latest tango device is api 19
Sep 14 20:30:23 <pfn> Faizan, sure, you can find users to test for you
Sep 14 20:30:24 <Faizan> until lenovo phab 2 pro comes out..
Sep 14 20:30:25 <truckcrash> pfn - I suppose there is an argument there. I'd say you should be handling permissions, not keeping a lower SDK ver. but I can see the reasons not to there
Sep 14 20:30:33 <Ashiren> whats tango :?
Sep 14 20:30:45 <pfn> handling permissions is hard if you don't test it
Sep 14 20:30:55 <truckcrash> google project tango. it is AR/VR apis and hardware
Sep 14 20:30:58 <Faizan> it's a google service basically allowing advanced vision concepts such as motion tracking, area learning and depth perception
Sep 14 20:31:06 <Ashiren> targeting lower than 23 is hacking and not worthy in the long run
Sep 14 20:31:07 <Faizan> a lot of augmented reality apps are using the service
Sep 14 20:31:35 <pfn> I don't know about a lot
Sep 14 20:31:39 <Faizan> but what should I do if I just can't test anything 19+?
Sep 14 20:31:39 <Ashiren> well maybe targeting 22 might be good for starters when you begin android development
Sep 14 20:31:45 <pfn> there's only like 2 tango devices. at the moment
Sep 14 20:31:55 <Faizan> yeah that's correct
Sep 14 20:32:01 <Faizan> but lenovo's making the first tango phone
Sep 14 20:32:06 <Faizan> it's out in a few months actually
Sep 14 20:32:23 <Faizan> "delayed to fall"
Sep 14 20:32:44 <pfn> yes, I thought it was supposed to be out in Sept according to IO
Sep 14 20:32:49 <Faizan> the moment when you have to google what fall is because you're not American lol
Sep 14 20:33:05 <truckcrash> I hope it goes well... maybe there is not widespread appeal yet (for the quality of the experience) but if they get it right i see the potential
Sep 14 20:33:24 <pfn> the demo apps on tango are really cool
Sep 14 20:33:28 <Faizan> yeah they are
Sep 14 20:33:44 <Faizan> development kits are quite pricy though
Sep 14 20:33:53 <Faizan> I think my uni paid �512 for my tablet
Sep 14 20:34:02 <truckcrash> the lenovo tango phone is reasonable i think
Sep 14 20:34:12 <Faizan> yeah because that's consumer based
Sep 14 20:34:17 <pfn> the Lenovo tango has pretty crappy specs
Sep 14 20:34:19 <Faizan> the tablet wasn't
Sep 14 20:34:26 <pfn> it's not a flagship device
Sep 14 20:34:34 <pfn> I. was hoping for a tango gift at IO
Sep 14 20:34:38 <pfn> they did nothing...
Sep 14 20:34:57 <Faizan> the specs arent *horrible*
Sep 14 20:35:04 <Faizan> but yeah definitely not flagship
Sep 14 20:35:39 <Faizan> my tablet has really nice specs
Sep 14 20:35:41 <pfn> they're last year phone specs
Sep 14 20:36:25 <Faizan> the standard color camera on my tablet is really crappy though
Sep 14 20:36:37 <Faizan> and the fisheye camera is monochrome....soo
Sep 14 20:38:28 <Faizan> regarding last year phone specs... I wonder how many years the iPhone 7 would be behind
Sep 14 20:39:18 <pfn> you mean ahead
Sep 14 20:44:29 <Faizan> do you guys here use genymotion?
Sep 14 20:44:37 <Faizan> is it worth going through the effort to install it?
Sep 14 20:44:58 <s73v3r> what effort? you download an installer, and it does all the work
Sep 14 20:47:09 <Faizan> how locked down is the free version anyway
Sep 14 20:47:36 <s73v3r> it’s listed on their site. there are some things you can’t use, and it’s not meant for commercial work
Sep 14 20:48:03 <Ashiren> genymotion was good until the "new" emulator
Sep 14 20:48:11 <Ashiren> now new emulator is bearable
Sep 14 20:50:23 <justJanne> well, the old emulator was useful, too
Sep 14 20:50:26 <justJanne> but only on linux,
Sep 14 20:50:29 <justJanne> with kvm enabled
Sep 14 20:51:13 <dxdy> Good evening! Quick question: I'm wondering about the correct way to store Reddits OAuth2 refresh tokens for user accounts. Afaik the options are the SharedPreferences and the AccountManager. Is there a need for me to use the AccountManager or do the SharedPreferences suffice? (I don't plan on doing other apps that support reddit, so I don't benefit from account sharing)
Sep 14 20:56:13 <Ashiren> sharedPreferences should suffice
Sep 14 20:56:42 <dxdy> Okay. Thanks.
Sep 14 21:00:17 <truckcrash> did google remove the web browser from the emulator image for sdk24?
Sep 14 21:00:37 <truckcrash> there is only "WebView Browser Tester"
Sep 14 21:00:43 <truckcrash> cant even download with that
Sep 14 21:02:49 <Afzal> Ashiren new emulator is more that bearable, it's desirable
Sep 14 21:04:04 <truckcrash> it was until they removed the browser :P
Sep 14 21:06:48 <Afzal> lol
Sep 14 21:17:51 <forgotten_pw> anyone use d3 for charting in a webview?
Sep 14 22:30:30 <arancio> forgotten_pw: looks like no one is using it. Isn't there any Java charting library for Android?
Sep 14 22:43:47 <bitkiller> mpandroidchart
Sep 14 22:44:49 <arancio> https://github.com/PhilJay/MPAndroidChart
Sep 14 22:45:00 <arancio> https://github.com/diogobernardino/WilliamChart
Sep 14 22:45:05 <arancio> he quit
Sep 14 22:56:52 <Novus> anyone familiar with goBack command with webview?
Sep 14 22:57:28 <Novus> I've implemented a back button to go to the previous page, but it sends you back to where it was zoomed in before
Sep 14 22:57:39 <Novus> how can I reset the zoom on goBack function?
Sep 14 23:20:48 <rcw2> hi, i have this project... where if scale reads 50 lbs, then changes to 100lbs, i want the change... the new weight to be sent digitally to the android.  any suggestions on how to go about this?
Sep 14 23:21:01 <rcw2> this isn't for a class
Sep 14 23:21:44 <arancio> rcw2: what scale?
Sep 14 23:22:31 <rcw2> arancio, im looking for a scale actually that can send the info to android... seen one?
Sep 14 23:22:32 <s73v3r> bluetooth or wifi, I suppose
Sep 14 23:22:50 <rcw2> s73v3r, yeah im assuming something with bluetooth capabilities exists
Sep 14 23:23:55 <arancio> http://www.enerfitsport.it/benessere/dkn/bilancia-bluetooth-body-fat-digital-scale-dkn.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjw6uO-BRDbzujwtuzAzfkBEiQAAnhJ0EmPZe6I7kDXL48RCUwHU-yPAC9l06wglVfkvxXWJO8aAr2L8P8HAQ
Sep 14 23:24:13 <s73v3r> if you don’t mind getting your hands dirty, you could hack something together with a couple load cells and an Arduino :p
Sep 14 23:24:26 <arancio> Sorry, that link was in my language
Sep 14 23:24:49 <arancio> the term is "smart scale"
Sep 14 23:24:59 <jeffmcnd> Aside from making more personal projects, what is the best way to prepare yourself for a job as an Android dev?
Sep 14 23:26:30 <arancio> jeffmcnd: unless you can run an Android emulator in your head, it's making more personal projects. Possibly after you read some good book. And looking into valuable open source projects
Sep 14 23:26:51 <arancio> jeffmcnd: I would browse the source of the libraries I use or Android itself
Sep 14 23:27:35 <arancio> rcw2: are thinking of a scale for humans or for stuff?
Sep 14 23:27:58 <jeffmcnd> To be fair, I haven't written that many apps. I was thinking about reading through the code for the Google I/O app at one point, but it is daunting amount of code.
Sep 14 23:28:11 <rcw2> s73v3r, what sort of knowledge would that require... to get into arduino?  ive taken a basic soldering class... is any of that involved?  and once i have what i need, is it easy to mass produce the hardware in say... china?
Sep 14 23:28:12 <Success> I am a /r9k/robot, my head came preinstalled with an android emulator.
Sep 14 23:28:39 <jeffmcnd> I would love to read the code of a simple but well polished material app. Any suggestions?
Sep 14 23:30:04 <arancio> jeffmcnd: write a simple but well polished material app.
Sep 14 23:32:09 <jeffmcnd> arancio: Yeah, I guess I ought to just do it myself.
Sep 14 23:33:00 <s73v3r> rcw2: you might not need soldering, but this would be more to form the prototype. there’d be more work to be done before you could manufacture
Sep 14 23:33:31 <rcw2> arancio, no, something small, like something that can be placed under a kitchen table seat leg, which would weigh you whenever you sat down
Sep 14 23:33:51 <s73v3r> you’d only get 1/4 of the weight that way
Sep 14 23:34:03 <arancio> rcw2: to measure your weight as you eat? Cool!
Sep 14 23:34:06 <s73v3r> you’d need to be under all the legs to get all their weight
Sep 14 23:34:30 <rcw2> s73v3r, well actually i would calibrate it once and just measure the changes in the weight
Sep 14 23:34:49 <arancio> s73v3r: they invented multiplication by four, some time ago
Sep 14 23:35:02 <arancio> :-)
Sep 14 23:35:14 <s73v3r> i still don’t think it’d be accurate enough
Sep 14 23:35:22 <s73v3r> what if i lean to the opposite side of the chair?
Sep 14 23:36:49 <rcw2> ok so say i have a scale under all four legs... for the sake of argument
Sep 14 23:37:02 <arancio> well... gyroscopic sensors in your ass?
Sep 14 23:37:22 <arancio> what about a scale on the seat?
Sep 14 23:37:31 <arancio> instead of under the leg
Sep 14 23:38:23 <arancio> jeffmcnd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_Android_applications
Sep 14 23:39:19 <jeffmcnd> arancio: Thanks, gotta run.
Sep 14 23:39:19 <rcw2> arancio, people sit certain ways... might not be accurate enough
Sep 14 23:39:22 <s73v3r> jeffmcnd: check out Plaid, by Google Developer Advocate Nick Butcher
Sep 14 23:40:24 <arancio> rcw2: https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/team-arduinotronics/arduino-scale-b821ae
Sep 14 23:40:44 <arancio> rcw2: http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-your-weighing-scale-hack-using-arduino/
Sep 14 23:40:55 <rcw2> ok, well lets say i am just measuring weight, and i can find a way to get it accurate... but my goal today is to know how i can send the readings to android... is it anduino only?
Sep 14 23:41:10 <arancio> rcw2: is the "w" in your nick for "weight"?
Sep 14 23:41:29 <rcw2> arancio, heh no
Sep 14 23:41:37 <rcw2> an initial
Sep 14 23:41:48 <gwozt> hey guys, is there any way to obtain the sounds from envoirement
Sep 14 23:42:17 <Success> Ryan Christopher Willamson II ?
Sep 14 23:42:17 <arancio> rcw2: look at this: pen-electronics.org/wi-fi-body-scale-with-arduino/
Sep 14 23:42:21 <Success> lawl
Sep 14 23:42:22 <gwozt> i mean make android keep on listen to the surrounding
Sep 14 23:42:51 <arancio> gwozt: with a service, as media player do
Sep 14 23:43:11 <gwozt> i mean i want to capture everything
Sep 14 23:43:28 <gwozt> and i want to have as soundwaves in soundcloud
Sep 14 23:43:47 <gwozt> i actually want to detect when someone yells
Sep 14 23:43:54 <gwozt> and no1 speaks
Sep 14 23:43:58 <arancio> gwozt: yeah and a cheeseburger too
Sep 14 23:44:11 <gwozt> was that a stupid question
Sep 14 23:44:33 <rcw2> arancio, pen-electronics.org exists?
Sep 14 23:44:36 <rcw2> i dont see it
Sep 14 23:44:55 <arancio> rcw2: sorry, it's http://www.open-electronics.org/wi-fi-body-scale-with-arduino/
Sep 14 23:45:10 <gwozt> arancio: is there no way to detect when some1 yells?
Sep 14 23:46:41 <Success> s/[A-Z]+/lc($1)/s
Sep 14 23:46:47 <arancio> gwozt: yeah, you sample the audio in a service, compute the instant level, calibrate it, perform a spectrum analysis because someone yelling far away may be softer than someone speaking close but yelling as a different spectrum distribution than talking
Sep 14 23:46:57 <rcw2> arancio, how does android pick up readings from a wifi scale?  does it need to drop its wifi connection to the internet and connect to the scale?
Sep 14 23:47:21 <arancio> gwozt: it's mostly an audio processing problem
Sep 14 23:48:03 <arancio> rcw2: "In this post we present the design of a scale that connects to the Internet and automatically sends weight info on a Google Document."
Sep 14 23:48:41 <arancio> rcw2: the device connects to internet via wi-fi, you could make it store the information on a server and read it from your android application.
Sep 14 23:49:12 <s73v3r> rcw2: either the app can connect to a wifi network the scale creates, or the scale can join a wifi network. Then the app makes web requests to the scale
Sep 14 23:49:18 <rcw2> arancio, that's a nice link, thanks... so the best we have today are hacks of scales?  http://www.open-electronics.org/wi-fi-body-scale-with-arduino/
Sep 14 23:50:22 <gwozt> arancio: thx, do you think would it be easy to detect if some1 speaks with getting the sound and computing the rises and drops in sound level?
Sep 14 23:54:00 <arancio> gwozt: yes but it's not something that works out of the box. It requires some understanding of audio processing. You should probably read some book about that. If you are really interested you can do it. If you are just bored or want to do something easy to impress your friends, you'll fail.
Sep 14 23:55:04 <gwozt> arancio: that was right to the point thx
Sep 14 23:56:09 <arancio> gwozt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_activity_detection
Sep 14 23:56:39 <gwozt> arancio: that is so helpful man thx
Sep 14 23:56:49 <arancio> you're welcome
Sep 14 23:58:04 <arancio> gwozt: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18355448/detect-human-voice-from-audio-file-input
Sep 15 00:04:37 <arancio> why doesn't my Nexux 5X play the tap sound when I call playSoundEffect(SoundEffectConstants.CLICK)? Android Emulator does.
Sep 15 00:07:57 <arancio> drinfernoo: hi! lol
Sep 15 00:10:22 <drinfernoo> yo arancio lol
Sep 15 00:10:40 <arancio> why do you always end your sentences with "lol"?
Sep 15 00:14:15 <drinfernoo> idk
Sep 15 00:14:23 <drinfernoo> you did too
Sep 15 00:21:43 <parco> rxjava has my thought process a bit twisted :-/
Sep 15 00:23:23 <arancio> drinfernoo: I was imitating you lol :P
Sep 15 00:23:41 <arancio> drinfernoo: how is you application going?
Sep 15 00:34:23 <g00s> hey TacticalJoke
Sep 15 00:36:27 <TacticalJoke> Hey, g00s!
Sep 15 00:37:14 <g00s> TacticalJoke was reading this, pretty interesting (about event sourcing, CQRS, etc) https://msdn.microsoft.com/magazine/mt703431
Sep 15 00:37:22 <g00s> https://msdn.microsoft.com/magazine/mt707524
Sep 15 00:37:31 <g00s> https://msdn.microsoft.com/magazine/mt767692
Sep 15 00:38:45 <drinfernoo> arancio, i haven't done anything in a couple days
Sep 15 00:38:55 <drinfernoo> hey TacticalJoke
Sep 15 00:39:52 <drinfernoo> arancio, you?
Sep 15 00:41:01 <TacticalJoke> g00s: Interesting.
Sep 15 00:41:09 <TacticalJoke> Yo, drinfernoo.
Sep 15 00:41:50 <arancio> drinfernoo: slowly progressing. I finished the body part selector. I'm testing tabs
Sep 15 00:42:26 <g00s> TacticalJoke my app has been cqrs for a while, but not using event sourcing (don't think i need that, but its still interesting idea)
Sep 15 00:43:28 <drinfernoo> arancio, using the new support TabLayout?
Sep 15 00:43:49 <arancio> drinfernoo: yes
Sep 15 00:43:59 <drinfernoo> how is it?
Sep 15 00:44:55 <Success> what does fastboot --unbuffered do and when would I use it
Sep 15 00:45:05 <Success> I just tried it with flash and it didnt like that
Sep 15 00:45:19 <arancio> it looks simple
Sep 15 00:45:24 <Success> Is there a way to get a progress bar?
Sep 15 00:45:51 <drinfernoo> Success, you probably want #android-root
Sep 15 00:46:42 <drinfernoo> arancio, are you using setupWithViewPager()? I don't get what it means by "also supports being used as a ViewPager's decor"
Sep 15 00:47:21 <arancio> drinfernoo: I following the cheesesquare tutorial
Sep 15 00:48:04 <drinfernoo> ah ok
Sep 15 00:48:42 <drinfernoo> you mean you just looked at the source?
Sep 15 00:50:18 <arancio> I didn't do much more than adapting that cheesesquare's source to my test application so far
Sep 15 00:50:36 <arancio> https://github.com/chrisbanes/cheesesquare
Sep 15 00:53:21 <drinfernoo> ok that's what I thought
Sep 15 00:53:40 <parco> with rxjava, how might i pass an object onto the bus, and have multiple subscribers make changes to it?
Sep 15 00:54:20 <drinfernoo> I haven't looked at it until now, have always just used https://github.com/jpardogo/PagerSlidingTabStrip
Sep 15 00:54:48 <drinfernoo> I really feel like I need to play with RxJava, but just haven't found the right use case I guess
Sep 15 00:55:21 <parco> drinfernoo: i'm forcing the use case, it might be why i'm having such a hard time
Sep 15 00:55:38 <parco> that + i have no idea what im doing
Sep 15 00:55:49 <drinfernoo> what are you trying to do?
Sep 15 00:56:03 <drinfernoo> I'm planning on trying to use it to make palette easier to work with
Sep 15 00:56:23 <parco> basically i have an "Event" that pops, and i'd like to decorate that event with a Location and other async data
Sep 15 00:56:45 <parco> and then once all decoraters are finished, save the event
Sep 15 00:57:00 <parco> the problem is location could take a few seconds to return, (along with other decorators)
Sep 15 00:57:47 <parco> I feel like this is a good opportunity for rxjava but i may be wrong
Sep 15 00:58:43 <drinfernoo> that sounds like what I've always heard Rx is good for
Sep 15 00:58:55 <drinfernoo> but I don't have anything helpful to help with
Sep 15 01:01:12 <parco> I'm thinking have an Event Bus (a PublishSubject in RxJava), that will pass the event between these different Attachers, and another observer that will notice the Event is finished and ultimately save.
Sep 15 01:02:29 <arancio> why doesn't my Nexux 5X play the tap sound when I call playSoundEffect(SoundEffectConstants.CLICK)? Android Emulator does.
Sep 15 01:02:59 <drinfernoo> sounds turned down/off?
Sep 15 01:04:10 <drinfernoo> how are you getting the audio manager?
Sep 15 01:06:11 <arancio> I'm not getting any audio manager. That's a View's method
Sep 15 01:08:01 <arancio> drinfernoo: yeah, there was some audio setting off. Thanks!
Sep 15 01:08:32 <drinfernoo> oh, I thought it was AudioManager.playSoundEffect()
Sep 15 01:08:36 <drinfernoo> lol smooth
Sep 15 01:09:50 <arancio> Plus the emulator's tap sounds is fat and loud while the 5X's tap sound is thin and soft
Sep 15 01:10:25 <drinfernoo> lol
Sep 15 01:12:07 <arancio> the tap sound level is controlled by the ring sound level. That is really stupid
Sep 15 01:13:10 <arancio> is it like that in every Android device?
Sep 15 01:13:33 <arancio> I want my money back. I'll buy an iPhone 7
Sep 15 01:18:27 <bitkiller> parco, i've used rxjava like an event bus for some case, but not passing/changing objects around
Sep 15 01:18:28 <TheChuckster> hi, I'm seeing a crash with GetExternalFilesDir on some devices (all known crashes have been on 4.x)
Sep 15 01:19:11 <bitkiller> the subscribers filter the event and handle it, just that
Sep 15 01:21:21 <arancio> TheChuckster: hi. I'm sorry for your crashes on 4.x
Sep 15 01:21:30 <parco> bitkiller: i feel like what im doing i can accomplish with a zip
Sep 15 01:21:49 <TheChuckster> arancio: it's okay, I'm just trying to figure out the root cause
Sep 15 01:21:53 <TheChuckster> I don't have a stack trace or anything
Sep 15 01:22:15 <TheChuckster> does any developer here have this Note 3 device?
Sep 15 01:22:23 <parco> bitkiller: ... waiting on 2 different async tasks to finish before considering completed
Sep 15 01:23:04 <TheChuckster> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/android-ndk/kT8tNCOaEJE/NKIXc5_kAgAJ
Sep 15 01:26:51 <pfn> you need to send the sound to. the correct. stream
Sep 15 01:27:36 <drinfernoo> parco, I would say that does sound like a zip
Sep 15 01:28:37 <bitkiller> parco, ^
Sep 15 01:30:04 <drinfernoo> arancio, you won't be able to hear anything with no headphone jack lol
Sep 15 01:36:51 <pfn> new pixel phones need to hurry and come. out
Sep 15 01:37:34 <HoloPed> how do I target api 23 using ndk-build command ?
Sep 15 01:37:45 <HoloPed> it seems to target 24 by default
Sep 15 01:40:33 <drinfernoo> is there any downside to just dropping my phone up for multidex now, whether I hit the limit or not?
Sep 15 01:44:16 <drinfernoo> setting, not dropping lol and I mean my app
Sep 15 01:44:22 <drinfernoo> damn I goofed that one up
Sep 15 01:45:04 <drinfernoo> is build time affected, or apk size, or something else I'm not expecting?
Sep 15 01:45:38 <drinfernoo> I just expect to hit the limit eventually, and since AS automatically does it for debug builds, I'd rather not forget about it, release, and deal with it then
Sep 15 01:56:36 <TimRiker> does anyone know of a way for a shell script to determine when an app has been closed? ie: when it's not the active activity and it's not in the cached list anymore.
Sep 15 01:57:14 <sn0wmonster> just a friendly reminder to everyone to get up and walk around a bit. sitting for long periods will kill your knees, shorten your leg/waist connecting muscles, screw with your back, and make you die quicker.
Sep 15 01:57:16 <TimRiker> if the app left a running service, then that does not count. hence, ps|grep <app> does not work.
Sep 15 02:06:52 <Jiggunjer> TimRiker, I think even without a running service ps|grep <app> wouldn't work, as closing apps doesn't immediately kill the process.
Sep 15 02:07:27 <TimRiker> Jiggunjer, agreed. looking through dumpsys to see if I can find something useful there.
Sep 15 02:09:48 <pfn> need to replace my 5x badly, it's burning through my data quota so hard
Sep 15 02:10:18 <pfn> not in cached list = no. process
Sep 15 02:12:35 <w4ffles> surface phones will be out soon
Sep 15 02:15:13 <pfn> Chevy bolt looks like a contender replacement for my jetta tdi
Sep 15 02:17:55 <g00s> the woz seemed to like the bolt
Sep 15 02:18:20 <g00s> pfn why would the 5x burn through data quota O.o
Sep 15 02:18:38 <pfn> wifi and bluetooth module is. busted
Sep 15 02:18:44 <pfn> so no wifi
Sep 15 02:18:45 <g00s> doh
Sep 15 02:19:04 <g00s> how did that happen pfn ...
Sep 15 02:19:15 <pfn> almost burned through 16gigs with 1.6gb left for 6 days
Sep 15 02:19:49 <pfn> dropped phone in water, got it repaired, but the wifi/bt module crapped out a few weeks after getting fixed
Sep 15 02:20:19 <g00s> hopefully those pixel devices will be water resistant
Sep 15 02:20:23 <g00s> at least ipx67
Sep 15 02:20:59 <g00s> *IP67
Sep 15 02:21:53 <pfn> I have no hopes of that
Sep 15 02:22:08 <Ben2560> Has anyone had experince with adding icons to the action bar using the xml? I downloaded some of the icons from the android site, but they draw a bit bigger then the default three dots settings button
Sep 15 02:22:08 <pfn> random. fluke, but yeah, I. want something new to replace the 5x
Sep 15 02:22:23 <drinfernoo> after adding "compile 'com.android.support:multidex:1.0.1', im getting a gradle error
Sep 15 02:22:26 <drinfernoo> Error:Could not find method oompile() for arguments [com.android.support:multidex:1.0.1] on object of type org.gradle.api.internal.artifacts.dsl.dependencies.DefaultDependencyHandler.  Please install the Android Support Repository from the Android SDK Manager. <a href="openAndroidSdkManager">Open Android SDK Manager</a>
Sep 15 02:22:32 <pfn> so trying to hold off for. a few. weeks
Sep 15 02:22:38 <pfn> drinfernoo, try spelling
Sep 15 02:22:46 <drinfernoo> lol i had oompile
Sep 15 02:22:49 <pfn> or maybe some glasses
Sep 15 02:22:49 <drinfernoo> whoops
Sep 15 02:23:00 <drinfernoo> darcula messes me up, for some reasom
Sep 15 02:23:01 <drinfernoo> n
Sep 15 02:24:09 * pfn ponders what to have for dinner 
Sep 15 02:25:33 <pfn> the siren call of chicken and waffles is compelling
Sep 15 02:33:46 <g00s> chicken and waffles ...
Sep 15 02:33:54 <g00s> bacon and waffles !
Sep 15 02:39:19 <g00s> Leeds you came up in these colin powell emails
Sep 15 02:40:46 <loke> g00s: Was that unexpected?
Sep 15 02:40:55 <loke> g00s: After all, he desrted his country! :-)
Sep 15 02:41:06 <loke> (as did I, but let's ignore that)
Sep 15 02:41:16 <g00s> heh
Sep 15 02:43:25 <TimRiker> dumpsys activity recents <- worked to discover if app is "running" or cached in recents. Once it's gone from there I assume it's gone. Thx.
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