**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 02:59:58 2016 Sep 24 03:11:50 huh, it's already incremental... Sep 24 03:15:51 looks like this is from August, but fairly recent Sep 24 03:16:01 incremental while still using annotation processor Sep 24 03:17:11 hmm, the list of supported libs is pretty small but includes dagger, etc Sep 24 03:29:27 I think this little experiment demonstrates that something isn't right about Android's measure/lay-out system: Define a FrameLayout with a single child. The child is match_parent x match_parent, and it has a red background. The FrameLayout has a blue background, but of course this isn't visible. Sep 24 03:29:44 Now say `frameLayout.layout(...);` at run time, increasing its size. Sep 24 03:30:02 The end result is that the red box stays the same size, but now you can see blue. Sep 24 03:30:40 An inconsistency between the size of the child (it's already measured itself) and the size of the background (it changes measurements on demand). Sep 24 03:31:35 Since the child is match_parent x match_parent, I think it's fair to argue that blue should never be visible. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 03:37:52 2016 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 03:48:26 2016 Sep 24 03:49:55 I think FrameLayout and LinearLayout also get it wrong. In `onLayout`, they should be using `this.getMeasuredWidth` and `this.getMeasuredHeight()` instead of `right - left` and `bottom - top`. Then there'd at least be consistency between child sizes and child positions. Sep 24 03:50:10 getMeasuredWidth()* Sep 24 03:51:42 If you resize a FrameLayout using View.layout, and it has a match_parent x match_parent child with `android:layout_gravity="bottom"`, the child doesn't change size but does jump to the bottom. Seems a bit weird. Sep 24 03:54:00 I'd conclude that, other than `changed`, the parameters of View.onLayout should be ignored. View.getMeasuredWidth and View.getMeasuredHeight should be used instead. Sep 24 03:55:39 Unless we need absolute positions (e.g., left and top), but even then I'm concluding that the other two should be ignored. Sep 24 03:59:33 I don't understand why they had to change the Design Editor. It's clunkier now and there's this bug that makes scrolling Properties windows really, really slow. Sep 24 04:01:55 TacticalJoke: I haven't fought the layout engine since a few years ago, but I recall it being a struggle. Sep 24 04:02:59 I kinda like it on the whole, but the fact that View.layout can set a new size has always bugged me. I've always felt it should be for setting the position only. Sep 24 04:03:36 Like `void View.layout(int left, int top) { int right = left + getMeasuredWidth(); ... }`. Sep 24 04:04:03 And also `layOut`, not `layout`. :D 'Layouting' and 'layouted' are ridiculous. Sep 24 04:04:35 Idiosyncratic: I find the whole thing (including the Preview window) slower now. Sep 24 04:04:46 Though the blueprint thing looks kinda neat. Sep 24 04:05:41 you can take my xml when you pry it from my cold, dead hands Sep 24 04:06:24 Maybe they should've dropped the 'lay out' terminology. It's a clunky phrase. 'Position' is simpler: View.position(int left, int top) Sep 24 04:06:37 Position/positioning/positioned. Sep 24 04:08:02 TacticalJoke: switching to Oracle's JDK made it a bit smoother, but the new designer still sucks Sep 24 04:08:39 Idiosyncratic: Do you use it for anything other than ConstraintLayout? Sep 24 04:08:39 I have to press a lot of clicks now in order to do stuff that took only a few clicks in 2.1.3 Sep 24 04:08:50 TacticalJoke: ? Sep 24 04:09:19 Outside of ConstraintLayout, isn't it better to write XML by hand? Sep 24 04:09:55 TacticalJoke have you tried CL yet ? Sep 24 04:10:00 Nah. Sep 24 04:10:04 Way too lazy. Sep 24 04:10:12 lol Sep 24 04:10:27 I bet it ends up slower than hand-crafted ViewGroups. Sep 24 04:10:28 it'd like to but its alpha8 ... Sep 24 04:10:34 TacticalJoke: not really. I need my gooeis. Sep 24 04:11:32 Idiosyncratic: Hmm, I don't really see any advantage of that. Just annoyances. Sep 24 04:12:57 I love GUIs too. I'd pick an "Install GNU/Linux" button over spending hours setting up Slackware. Sep 24 04:13:23 That button is Stallman-friendly. Sep 24 04:13:34 TacticalJoke: GNU/Linux? What distribution is that? Sep 24 04:14:14 It's a distribution of the GNU operating system. Sep 24 04:14:29 TacticalJoke: can't be. Linus invented Linux. Sep 24 04:14:33 Or GNU system. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 04:19:19 2016 Sep 24 04:21:06 <92AAADD44> lolwtf Sep 24 04:21:45 Leeds http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-era-in-hong-kong-is-ending-thanks-to-chinas-tight-embrace-1474647072 Sep 24 04:22:22 TacticalJoke: anyway, I was just messing with you :) Sep 24 04:24:03 Idiosyncratic: I hope you're using Linux-libre, for maximum freedom[tm]. Sep 24 04:25:20 TacticalJoke: but I like my digital handcuffs Sep 24 04:25:47 g00s has a wsj sub? Sep 24 04:28:36 TacticalJoke: they sparkle when I get outside out of a Microsoft forced-labour mining camp Sep 24 04:28:56 TacticalJoke: and the Google collar that explodes if I take it off is definitely in this season Sep 24 04:30:32 TacticalJoke: can freedom compare to this?! Sep 24 04:33:02 TacticalJoke other day you asked me what OS will be popular in 20 years ... Sep 24 04:33:31 starting to wonder, if we'll even be around then ,,, http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-point-of-no-return-climate-change-nightmares-are-already-here-20150805 Sep 24 04:33:45 g00s: lol Sep 24 04:34:22 Damn, poor things Sep 24 04:35:51 g00s: but hey, it'll be an adventure to kill your neighbours over farm land when civilization goes to hell Sep 24 04:36:07 Is it bad that part of me wants to see the planet go up in smoke? Sep 24 04:36:33 TacticalJoke Giant Meteor 2016 Sep 24 04:36:43 TacticalJoke: we're all going to die one day, so why not sooner than later? Sep 24 04:36:49 That sounds like an awesome game. Sep 24 04:37:10 TacticalJoke did you ever see Melancholia ? Sep 24 04:37:20 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1527186/ Sep 24 04:37:29 Nah. Sep 24 04:38:11 "13% of Americans say they would rather vote for a ‘giant meteor hitting the earth’ than Trump or Clinton". That's /r/me_irl material right there. Sep 24 04:38:23 Can we really vote for that? Sep 24 04:38:25 in that movie, all the normal people start freaking out, and all the depressed people become normal (when they hear a planet is going to collide with earth) Sep 24 04:38:30 haha Sep 24 04:38:51 The depressed people can finally relax. Sep 24 04:39:06 TacticalJoke yeah, they are like 'woohoo , the end !" Sep 24 04:39:43 I should watch that. Sep 24 04:40:38 My grandmother told me once there was such a big snowfall one year that the height was bigger than the average person. They literally had to make tunnels. This was in Southern Romania where it's mostly plains too. But this past decade, snowfall has become less and less pronounced. Sep 24 04:41:15 *that the snow's height was higher Sep 24 04:41:39 Idiosyncratic yeah i saw stuff like that in switzerland Sep 24 04:42:51 how do i get AS to refresh its gradle cache ? Sep 24 04:43:39 g00s: delete .gradle from the root project and your $HOME? (note: $HOME one has important stuff in there so delete the caches folder) Sep 24 04:43:44 Is it Tools > Android > Sync project with Gradle files? Sep 24 04:43:44 g00s: but this is just an idea Sep 24 04:45:12 Oh man, look at this code generated by the designer: android:id="@+id/@+id/rate_popup_message"/> Sep 24 04:45:44 They had ~3 months to make this release and it's buggy as hell Sep 24 04:46:20 well, tnorbye said if they fixed all the high priority bugs it wouldn't be out til next year :P Sep 24 04:47:08 His name should be Norbyte. Sep 24 04:48:14 If I were close to Silicon Valley, I would tie a letter with this bug report and throw it at one of Google's offices Sep 24 04:48:40 https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/53iqji/android_studio_22_released/d7ti83r Sep 24 04:48:46 Through their windows Sep 24 04:49:05 Everyone should submit bug tickets this way Sep 24 04:49:16 <[Saint]> I find it really difficult to believe that AOSP hasn't "liberated" Samsung's way of dealing with 'Unknown sources' yet. Sep 24 04:49:16 <[Saint]> That seems a funny thing to have patent restriction on, but I wouldn't put it past Samsung at all. Sep 24 04:49:16 <[Saint]> (for reference, I mean the ability to "Allow unknown sources just this once". Sep 24 04:49:18 <[Saint]> ) Sep 24 04:50:15 <[Saint]> Without that, Joe Average is almost certainly not going to remember to ever turn vetting of unknown application sources back on again if they turn it off. Sep 24 04:50:19 Idiosyncratic: I would just drop the Design view. :D Sep 24 04:50:28 I think nobody in here uses it. Sep 24 04:51:11 Samsungs got a new tv display based on quantum dots already?? Sep 24 04:51:14 TacticalJoke: that's as useful of a suggestion to me as telling me that I should use ed for my refactoring Sep 24 04:54:49 TacticalJoke: I paid Google 25$ *and* I'm programming for their devices and making them popular; I demand a quality IDE from a company that could buy half of Africa if they wanted to Sep 24 04:55:33 Idiosyncratic they are preparing you for the day there is only 1 corporation, and its selling you air Sep 24 04:57:13 g00s: sell me air and claim a copyright on its molecules too Sep 24 04:57:21 I'm surprised we don't have to work to buy air already. Sep 24 04:57:59 TacticalJoke well technically in the US you do, because the ones with lowest incomes often have the lowest air quality Sep 24 04:58:10 If air could be switched off, I bet some company would try to sell it. Sep 24 04:58:13 either they are downwind from a coal plant, etc Sep 24 04:58:36 Ahh, true. Sep 24 04:59:57 g00s: maybe they should've paid more attention in school and make best use of their 1 million dollars that they inherited from their parents Sep 24 05:01:40 "It has not been easy for me. And you know I started off in Brooklyn, my father gave me a small loan of a million dollars." - Trump Sep 24 05:02:09 What did *you* do with your 1 million dollar loan from your father?! Sep 24 05:05:27 To be honest, I do deserve to be of lower-middle class because I wasted my million dollar on vacations in Ibiza Sep 24 05:09:53 dang sprites take up alot of space dont they Sep 24 05:09:57 like isnt a scrolling background usually 10 mb ? Sep 24 05:10:32 like no wonder so many games are so simple.. they cant make them detailed without making it like 300 mb game no one would want to stuff on their phone Sep 24 05:12:19 Holy shit, using the designer is breaking A LOT of stuff Sep 24 05:14:57 I'm gonna ask a favor from the Russian mob to leave a dead horse's head in the Google CEO's bed Sep 24 05:19:17 Hmm. It seems like the guy's an Indian. Then a dead cow's head would be scarier. Sep 24 05:19:19 Idiosyncratic: Just wondering (I've been away from this channel for a while) -- have you been doing Android stuff for long? Sep 24 05:19:48 TacticalJoke: 3 months :D Sep 24 05:21:04 The max size of a android game/app is 50 mb to upload ? or how do you go over that Sep 24 05:21:10 The Stockholm syndrome is probably setting in right now. Sep 24 05:23:25 TacticalJoke: lol Sep 24 05:25:58 because the main issue everyone has when making an android game is size right ? Sep 24 05:26:27 like it has to have big images for these HD phone screens and only 50mb Sep 24 05:26:50 so its like all about being clever to make the game great with less than 50mb Sep 24 05:27:08 aka little variation in sprites Sep 24 05:28:07 NateRiver: not sure if people will notice the difference between high and low compression if you do it right Sep 24 05:28:45 ohh okay. Cool, thats a good point Sep 24 05:29:28 i was just looking at my png file sizes and thinking "wow these are big" maybe i need to learn compression Sep 24 05:29:31 NateRiver: I'm not making a 3D game, but my application does display ~100 images of a minimum width of 800px and my whole APK's ~12mb Sep 24 05:29:55 NateRiver: oh, they're PNGs? You can't compress 24bit PNGs :( Sep 24 05:30:12 NateRiver: if the images don't need transparency, go for JPG Sep 24 05:31:24 <[Saint]> depending on the use case SVGs might save you some weight, at the cost of come complexity. Sep 24 05:36:10 NateRiver: PNG8 can be "compressed", though Sep 24 05:39:49 NateRiver: actually, just use PNG8 Sep 24 05:45:20 okay thank you. Im looking into it now Sep 24 05:47:44 Guys does AdMob have anything to do with the Russian mob? Sep 24 05:51:14 is their any way i can control the scrolling speed of code in Android Studio 2.2 Sep 24 05:52:18 after upgrading to MacOS Sierra, scrolling is super fast. want to slow it down in AS only. Sep 24 05:58:10 Can't you learn to read faster? Sep 24 06:18:34 Arancio: Arancio2: impossible for me to read that first Sep 24 06:19:58 t2mkn: seriously, if the change happened after an OS update maybe the cause is in the OS, not in the application (Android Studio) Sep 24 06:21:56 yes cause is os. but there are options in java to control the speed of scrolling. AS people should add it somewhere. Sep 24 06:22:28 Arancio: I'm not sure about this, but it may have to do with the bundled OpenJDK as of AS 2.2 Sep 24 06:22:51 not possible i guess. Sep 24 06:23:01 No scrolling problem here on Windows 10 Sep 24 06:23:14 any ways its. ok i can manage. Sep 24 06:23:21 t2mkn: what do you mainly use for java? OpenJDK or Java's JDK? Sep 24 06:23:40 java jdk Sep 24 06:24:07 t2mkn: can you try renaming the jre folder to something like jre.bkp and restart Android Studio and see if that helps? Sep 24 06:24:17 t2mkn: that's in your Android Studio Sep 24 06:24:36 i have tried that. not working. Sep 24 06:25:40 AS people need to release a fix for Sierra soon. Sep 24 06:26:13 any ways, get to go. i will look for options later. have a nice time people. bb. Sep 24 06:26:59 Idiosyncratic: so you are affiliated with the mob? This "Ad" mob? Sep 24 06:27:54 Arancio: I hustle "make money online" ads for them Sep 24 06:28:59 Idiosyncratic: do you have experience with "swipe to delete" items in RecyclerView? Sep 24 06:29:24 Arancio: I don't have the slightest clue as to what's a RecyclerView :D Sep 24 06:29:49 Idiosyncratic: ok. Thanks. Sep 24 06:30:06 Haven't dabbled into Fragment stuff Sep 24 06:46:14 I don't feel like programming today Sep 24 06:50:05 Did they remove the refresh button from the designer? I can't find it Sep 24 06:57:08 They removed the device chrome from the designer! Sep 24 06:58:07 They removed the refresh button because not the designer is perfect and you don't need to tell it to refresh anymore Sep 24 06:59:34 Arancio: of course! Sep 24 07:14:53 Idiosyncratic: can you choose how big are the ads displayed with AdMob? Sep 24 07:15:07 Arancio: yeah Sep 24 07:15:45 Arancio: https://developers.google.com/android/reference/com/google/android/gms/ads/AdSize Sep 24 07:15:59 Do you have any statistics on how often people follows the external links in your game? Sep 24 07:16:03 follow Sep 24 07:16:13 Arancio: external links? You mean clicks? Sep 24 07:16:42 Idiosyncratic: no, the external links that provide more information about the question topic Sep 24 07:16:57 Arancio: oh. Nope. Don't really care. :D Sep 24 07:18:01 Arancio: would have to make some analytics thingy for that afaik Sep 24 07:19:04 Idiosyncratic: you should care. If people uses that links you could remove some of the ads from the main game workflow and add them between the click and the redirection to the information page Sep 24 07:19:49 Arancio: yeah, I don't really think that people would bother actually clicking those links Sep 24 07:20:01 Arancio: I only added them so that it's more "professional-looking" Sep 24 07:20:09 -.- Sep 24 07:21:46 Arancio: I got the streets smarts, bro. I think I have a pretty good idea about how the masses work. Sep 24 07:22:22 Somehow that sounded less cringy in my head Sep 24 07:24:55 :D Sep 24 07:25:50 What about geo-localized trivia? Sep 24 07:26:15 "Trivia Go" Sep 24 07:26:29 Arancio: what do you mean? It has a Romanian language option Sep 24 07:26:38 "Trivia Go" Sep 24 07:27:42 Arancio: I'm not sure about this, but the uniqueness (read: retardedness) of my app's name might give SEO/ASO juice Sep 24 07:27:54 You wander about interesting part of a city and a quiz about what you see pops up on the screen of your smartphone Sep 24 07:28:54 Arancio: bro, I'm a single guy doing all of this. That kind of stuff takes a lot of people to make. Sep 24 07:29:12 You'll find someone Sep 24 07:29:22 Arancio: yeah, me Sep 24 07:29:41 someone else, several people Sep 24 07:29:49 you'll make millions Sep 24 07:30:08 you must believe in yourself Sep 24 07:30:38 make a small scale demo Sep 24 07:30:43 Arancio: stop with yer trolling :P Sep 24 07:30:56 I'm not trolling Sep 24 07:32:14 I'm sorry you dismiss everything I say as trolling Sep 24 07:33:15 The fact that I'm a troll doesn't mean that everything I say is trolling Sep 24 08:25:27 raoul11: good morning, friend raoul! Sep 24 08:25:46 hello Arancio Sep 24 08:37:37 My programming superpowers are weakening. I need to eat some ice cream. Sep 24 08:44:47 Arancio: i don't think it helps. Can attest, just had some Sep 24 08:45:38 if i had coded the adoptable feature to board config file. There will be any crashes in the android os Sep 24 08:46:07 setprop persist.fw.force_adoptable 1 Sep 24 09:04:22 if i set this properties "setprop persist.fw.force _doptable 1" hard coded in the board config file there will be any issues with the Android OS Sep 24 09:26:52 Robdgreat: dosage is very important in things related to superpowers. Your probably didn't eat enough. Try eating more of it Sep 24 09:27:39 Arancio: This. Changes. Everything! Sep 24 10:09:47 Why there is no visual difference between enabled and disable option menu items? Sep 24 10:10:09 Can we use Java 8 with Android Studio 2.2? Sep 24 10:10:17 yes Sep 24 10:12:26 Cool. I missed Enumerations from C#. Streams should be the Java equivalent Sep 24 10:13:24 Today the method completion in Android Studio showed the List#stream() method Sep 24 10:27:48 SpeedEvil: why did you trade space for speed? Sep 24 11:05:24 raoul11: important question: is there ad revenue after 5 euros? Has anyone come back to confirm that you can indeed make money with AdMob? Sep 24 11:06:08 lol no :) Sep 24 11:07:17 Mavrik: but the blog posts say otherwise Sep 24 11:07:22 DO THE SCRIPTURES LIE?! Sep 24 11:07:29 As we had a talk already. Sep 24 11:07:38 Look at CPI / CPC. Sep 24 11:07:49 And conversion rates. Sep 24 11:07:55 And then calculate how many users you need to make money. Sep 24 11:07:57 :) Sep 24 11:08:07 If you have that much users - yes. :) Sep 24 11:08:14 Hmm. Made 0.08 euros today. Sep 24 11:09:14 Mavrik: well, I'm looking to get ads displayed to 1st world countries since they value more Sep 24 11:09:28 Mavrik: I had the incredible luck to get 3 euros from a *single* click Sep 24 11:09:32 *of getting Sep 24 11:09:33 Did you look at that numbers yet? Sep 24 11:09:56 Mavrik: TED talks say that you need hope and self-confidence, not numbers Sep 24 11:10:27 TED Talks and a thick rope. What else do you need in life? Sep 24 11:10:31 So I won't look at the numbers. The numbers are haters. Sep 24 11:10:46 3EUR per impression is ridiculous Sep 24 11:10:53 Are you sure you're looking at the right numbers? :P Sep 24 11:11:10 Mavrik: I'm serious Sep 24 11:11:18 2-3 EUR per 1000 impressions is something that's sustainable. Maybe. Sep 24 11:11:23 At least it was a couple of years back. Sep 24 11:11:28 Mavrik: I got 3EUR per *one* click Sep 24 11:12:15 Right. Sep 24 11:12:18 Must've been an ad of a Swiss diamonds trader Sep 24 11:12:24 Mavrik: you don't believe me? Sep 24 11:12:43 https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2014/05/dont_believe.jpg Sep 24 11:12:55 Mavrik: I already said that I'm still at almost 6EUR. Why would I lie that I got lucky? Sep 24 11:13:06 Meh, whatever Sep 24 11:14:01 https://www.scirra.com/forum/what-is-admob-average-pay-per-click-and-earnings_t95243 Sep 24 11:14:27 But meh, I'm refining this app a little bit and I'm going to go back to webdev Sep 24 11:14:50 https://monetizepros.com/cpm-rate-guide/mobile/ Sep 24 11:15:26 Most reports don't ever go over 10$ eCPM Sep 24 11:15:45 Which means that in best fluffiest case scenario you'll earn 10$ for each 1000 impressions of an interstitial Sep 24 11:15:48 Banners are worth less. Sep 24 11:15:51 Videos are worth more. Sep 24 11:15:54 Do your math. Sep 24 11:17:26 Also, you have your own dashboard, it certanly shows your own eCPM. Sep 24 11:18:57 Mavrik: 3.69EUR Sep 24 11:19:37 Mavrik: but I have a really low number of downloads right now Sep 24 11:21:34 That sounds about right Sep 24 11:21:37 Idiosyncratic: can you know how many people didn't de-install your app after they downloaded it? Sep 24 11:22:04 Arancio: there's probably some analytics about that, but it's a hater analytics Sep 24 11:22:24 So that means you earn about 3.7EUR for every 1000 shows of your app. Sep 24 11:22:43 Now use fabric / dashboard to figure out how many impressions you actually make (how often people open your app) Sep 24 11:23:09 Mavrik: 3 weeks = 1.4k impressions Sep 24 11:23:40 Which would mean ~6EUR/month Sep 24 11:24:14 Flappy Bird made $50.000 a day! Sep 24 11:24:50 Idiosyncratic, yeah, so now you need to figure out how do you get to 104.000 impressions to make 600 a month :) Sep 24 11:24:53 The plan is perfect. I just need to browse Bahamas realtor websites to pick which mansion I'll buy right now. Sep 24 11:25:55 Mavrik: but I shove ads into people's faces the right way. If I were to get loads of idio... I mean users, I could make some meager sum. Sep 24 11:26:44 Mavrik: and analytics show me that most of my users are European/North American, so ads will worth more Sep 24 11:27:04 Yes, they're worth more - 3.7EUR/1000 Sep 24 11:27:10 Otherwise you'd be at 1.5EUR/1000 Sep 24 11:27:19 Mavrik: :P Sep 24 11:28:03 ^^ Sep 24 11:28:17 We need to teach people to buy their software again :P Sep 24 11:28:43 Mavrik: I know that you're giving me this advice half because of you legitimately want to help me and the other half because of schaudenfreude, but I think that I know my odds :P Sep 24 11:29:39 *wanting Sep 24 11:30:11 People buy the software that is worth buying Sep 24 11:30:30 Idiosyncratic, I just managed to work for a company trying to compete with admob and others for awhile Sep 24 11:30:34 And I've seen the internal numbers. Sep 24 11:30:52 Ads just don't work unless you have obscene amount of users and marketing power. Sep 24 11:31:11 2-3 dorrah/euro per 1000 impressions is pretty much the avg on the decent companies Sep 24 11:32:04 Yeah, there's things like videos that pay more Sep 24 11:32:09 But I'm not a company :( Sep 24 11:32:26 Legally, I am a freelancer, but I'm not a company :( Sep 24 11:32:31 And if you focus on clicks you might be better with "native" ads in side your dataset. Sep 24 11:32:33 including vid interstitials Mavrik Sep 24 11:32:48 But that just pisses off users more so you're not making all that much more. Sep 24 11:32:50 higher than 5$ eCpm is big Sep 24 11:32:50 raoul11: that's how I get most of my impressions and clicks Sep 24 11:34:32 Mavrik: I would like to have the algorithm that detects when an user's potential to give me money reaches zero and use it so that just before he uninstalls my app I can give him a "Fuck you!" image. Just to add to the pissing off factor. Sep 24 11:35:01 also, 1000 impressions on a short period of time (a few hours) will yield more revenue than 1000 impressions on a longer period of time (like a week) Sep 24 11:35:02 Then don't give your app out for free. Sep 24 11:35:04 :D Sep 24 11:35:42 Mavrik: I would put a price on it, but I'd have to do more legal stuff Sep 24 11:36:26 I mean, to have the legal right to sell digital coins Sep 24 11:38:56 I can imagine the cashier lady's bewildered face if I would tell her that I'm selling digital candy bars with which to give more energy to your Talking Tom clone Sep 24 11:41:29 "Kids, your virtual cat will die of starvation if you don't pay 50$ for this booster pack! Pay it, you sick fucks! Look, he's all skin and bones! You'll grow up to be hateful and unloveable adults if you don't save Tom!" Sep 24 11:43:11 Sep 24 11:43:26 You should try to make an application that could be used by people you do not despise. Sep 24 11:48:54 Yeah, kinda helps :) Sep 24 11:59:30 Can anybody explain me why there is no visual difference between enabled and disable option menu items? Sep 24 12:00:28 I have two undo/redo buttons and you can't tell if you can undo/redo something without pressing the button. What's the sense of preparing the option menu? Sep 24 12:00:31 Hey all. Sep 24 12:00:39 Hi Sep 24 12:01:16 I was in here about a month ago with a Windows XP issue, because my laptop is circa 2004 boasting Pentium4 non-HT technology. LOL Sep 24 12:01:21 WrinkledCheese_: Remember that name-calling is not allowed here. Sep 24 12:01:41 Arancio, ? Sep 24 12:02:34 WrinkledCheese_: don't make me call names, ok? It's not allowed. Sep 24 12:02:51 Chu talkin' bout Willis? Sep 24 12:03:05 Who is Willis? Sep 24 12:03:25 Anyway, what's your question? Sep 24 12:03:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCrjLVSapII Sep 24 12:04:08 Good ol Gary Coleman quote Sep 24 12:04:10 Arancio, https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#onPrepareOptionsMenu(android.view.Menu) Sep 24 12:04:43 and you should see a diff if an item is disabled (grayed-like) Sep 24 12:05:20 adq: I implemented onPrepareOptionsMenu. And I don't see any different. That's why I'm asking. Sep 24 12:05:31 maybe you expect something different than what it does Sep 24 12:06:00 I also calling invalidateOptionsMenu Sep 24 12:06:03 I'm currently running Slackware ( same hardware unfortunately ) and I'm having issues with the IDE that aren't making any sense. Straight out of the box nothing just worked. I've had to fight with it the whole time and obviously something I'm doing is wrong, but I can't figure out what. My current issue is the platform tools Android Studio are giving me an error as if it downloaded the 64-bit platform tools for Sep 24 12:06:03 my 32-bit system. How can I tell? Sep 24 12:06:05 I'm Sep 24 12:06:50 adb says cannot execute binary file Sep 24 12:07:04 you can use `file' against your binary to know its architecture Sep 24 12:07:36 adb is probably a 64bits binary you are trying to run on a 32bits system, based on whatr you said Sep 24 12:07:45 adb: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object Sep 24 12:08:13 That was my suspicion, but the SDK manager didn't give me that information in "package details" Sep 24 12:08:13 so either you install a 64bit release of slack (if your cpu supports it), or you install everything in 32 bits Sep 24 12:08:27 It's a circa 2004 Pentium 4. Sep 24 12:08:32 32 bits is the only option. Sep 24 12:08:47 Why did 32bit Android Studio download 64bit platorm tools? Sep 24 12:08:54 ah that idk lol Sep 24 12:08:54 How can I tell it to do otherwise? Sep 24 12:09:05 they probably assume everyone is under 64bits nowadays Sep 24 12:09:25 Assume ASS | U | ME Sep 24 12:09:27 lol Sep 24 12:09:42 Then why provide a 32 bit Android Studio LMFAO Sep 24 12:09:47 ugh Sep 24 12:09:58 My brain hurts, the logic doesn't fit Sep 24 12:10:01 problem is the official requirements on linux: https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html Sep 24 12:10:05 64-bit distribution capable of running 32-bit applications Sep 24 12:10:09 you're out of their supported scope Sep 24 12:10:50 I see Sep 24 12:13:45 I wonder if this beast can run Windows 7... Sep 24 12:14:08 have you already run AS elsewhere? Sep 24 12:14:21 I installed it on Windows XP Sep 24 12:14:29 It doesn't work there either. Sep 24 12:14:45 ok, don't expect it to be a light IDE Sep 24 12:14:59 Nope. Sep 24 12:15:01 seriously don't try to use AS on a 2004 PC... Sep 24 12:15:16 you might be able to use the bare SDK Sep 24 12:15:40 My only other option is to wait until the government fixes their mistake I've been waiting for m income taxes for. Latest update is late December... Sep 24 12:16:44 WrinkledCheese_: what kind of app do you want to develop? Sep 24 12:17:06 A local VPN to sniff app data ( at user request ) Sep 24 12:17:56 Think of it as a targeted Wireshark. Sep 24 12:18:23 Are you sure you can do it? Sep 24 12:18:41 Android is new to me, the rest not so much. Sep 24 12:20:06 App can't access each other's files. I doubt they can access each other's network traffic Sep 24 12:20:33 Apps Sep 24 12:20:42 If my app is a VPN, it has access to all network traffic. That's all I want/need. Sep 24 12:20:52 yeah, you can make a VPN service as part of an app Sep 24 12:20:56 And the VPN server is local ( 127.0.0.1 ) Sep 24 12:21:07 obviously there are various warnings before the user activates it Sep 24 12:21:13 Yup Sep 24 12:21:26 Same as with Orbot while being used as a local proxy. Sep 24 12:21:42 "They can see everything you do. Are you sure" Sep 24 12:22:13 The users will want this, they may not trust it fully, but enough to use it. Sep 24 12:22:52 Plus as soon as they terminate the VPN service, the icon goes away and they're free to browse without my VPN service having access to their data. Sep 24 12:23:35 Can't you only fake the terminate your app and steal their passwords and give them to me? Sep 24 12:23:45 termination of Sep 24 12:23:54 http://imgur.com/a/KKfVn AS being AS Sep 24 12:24:02 No, the android system will display the "key" icon at the top while VPN services are enabled. Sep 24 12:24:05 even slider text is failing Sep 24 12:24:41 I use a VPN on one of my tablets, for various reasons - including managing to occasionally fool Google Rewards into giving me a few pennies Sep 24 12:25:23 tsk tsk Sep 24 12:25:44 I had an app idea to do that a little more than "a few pennies" Sep 24 12:26:06 Then I decided to follow the Google motto. Don't be evil. Sep 24 12:26:46 "Don't be evel" is Google's motto for you, not the one they follow. Sep 24 12:26:47 irony Sep 24 12:26:53 I also use it to access inaccessible tapjoy stuff - that's a pretty scummy thing anyway :) Sep 24 12:27:09 No idea what that is. Sep 24 12:27:25 and I use it on a PC, actually in a VM, to... evade georestrictions, let's say Sep 24 12:28:01 WrinkledCheese_: "install this app for 3 gems", "sign up for a trial of this service for 27 gems", "get a life insurance quote for 289 gems" and so on Sep 24 12:28:21 Ah Sep 24 12:28:41 I used to break the JavaScript for those things and just submit succcess. Sep 24 12:29:32 You guys are hackers Sep 24 12:29:53 For fake monies Sep 24 12:30:09 Go team 1337 LOL Sep 24 12:31:03 arguably not so fake, since I guess they'd just prefer you give them cash money for gems, rather than having to collect it from an advertiser Sep 24 12:31:45 I don't think they care. Sep 24 12:31:54 It's as real as any other in-game money. Sep 24 12:32:05 That you have to bu with real money. Sep 24 12:32:19 Or collect very very very slowly, or steal. Sep 24 12:32:37 Steal! Sep 24 12:33:22 "Do no evil except for stealing virtual money" is your motto Sep 24 12:33:31 I suppose I will go get some aluminum to make a bracket to fix my cooler for my non-circa 2004 computer. Sep 24 12:33:37 I don't have a motto. Sep 24 12:34:01 You should have one Sep 24 12:34:06 Leeds: what kind of questions are there? Sep 24 12:34:11 You deserve a motto and a better computer Sep 24 12:34:41 My motto: God Damn *&^$&*^#$ Circa 2004 POS Laptop! Sep 24 12:35:14 How come you are so experience but you can't have a decent computer for development? Sep 24 12:35:21 experienced Sep 24 12:35:25 "In general, do you approve or disapprove the efforts of the UN?" Wtf is with these questions? Sep 24 12:35:42 Idiosyncratic: mostly asking me to review a place I've been, or asking if/how often I shop for certain things Sep 24 12:35:58 since it's contextual, I suspect I don't match much of the available survey stock Sep 24 12:36:01 Leeds: how often do political questions pop up? Sep 24 12:36:22 I got a 10k rpm drive. It died. I bought an SSD, got it replaced under warranty. The replacement died out of warranty. The only drives I have left require me to build a bracket for a cooler that doesn't fit the motherboard that supports the raid card I need to use the SAS drives I have. Sep 24 12:37:07 And I have a leech of an ex and a Son that I have 75% custody of. Sep 24 12:37:11 SO I is broke. Sep 24 12:37:41 WrinkledCheese_: should've thought twice before marrying and having a kid Sep 24 12:37:59 I did, I think it was the third thought process that was required. Sep 24 12:38:04 I don't think I ever had a political question Sep 24 12:38:23 Leeds: it's freaky to me Sep 24 12:38:42 Leeds: at least 10 million people answer political questions for virtual pennies? Sep 24 12:38:58