**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 11 02:59:58 2016 Oct 11 03:54:11 Hi, in Android Studio, how do I invoke a .mk (ndk) makefile from CMakeLists.txt ? The lib I want to build with my app only ships with a .mk and I don't want to just copy its list of files (that could go out-of-sync whenever I upgrade that lib) Oct 11 04:19:37 I'm having an issue with using the native SIP stack in android, it seems to take over the volume control. I've been trying to use this.setVolumeControlStream(AudioManager.STREAM_MUSIC) to switch it back but doesn't seem to work. Anyone seen something similar? Oct 11 04:20:17 this is on a different activity after the call has happened. The whole phone seems to be stuck until I reboot Oct 11 04:30:39 Anyone with adsense issue today? Oct 11 04:30:46 0 views Oct 11 07:15:07 I'm trying to use the canvas.drawArc method Oct 11 07:15:14 it results in everything but an arc Oct 11 07:15:27 either a straight line or a rectangle Oct 11 07:15:52 paste the code or gtfo Oct 11 07:17:13 canvas.drawArc(startSemiCircleBounds, 0, pi, true, progressedPaint); Oct 11 07:17:25 I can see that my rect is 40x40 one Oct 11 07:17:33 and pi is just a float of Math.pi Oct 11 07:17:59 progressedPaint.setStyle(Paint.Style.STROKE); Oct 11 07:18:04 and it also has a width Oct 11 07:18:20 this results in a 40x40 rect which is filled Oct 11 07:18:44 where I want a semiCircle with a radius of 20 Oct 11 07:18:52 which is filled Oct 11 07:19:54 Hi all. How can I perform a touch event from x1,y2 to x2,y2 on a View? Oct 11 07:26:18 Siamaster, https://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/Canvas.html#drawArc(android.graphics.RectF, float, float, boolean, android.graphics.Paint) Oct 11 07:26:29 you should use degree, not radian Oct 11 07:26:37 you should set usecenter at false instead of true Oct 11 07:27:13 oh!!! degrees! Oct 11 07:27:16 thanks alot Oct 11 07:27:31 this is stupid tho.. degrees sucks Oct 11 07:27:32 your angle was like 3.14° with pi Oct 11 07:27:39 yes :( Oct 11 07:28:19 darn i never know where i should provide degrees and where radians Oct 11 07:28:27 it's always written in the doc Oct 11 07:28:37 who reads docs nowadays Oct 11 07:28:41 ... Oct 11 07:29:40 has anyone successfully added an automated app:uninstallAll to their Run/Debug Configurations in 2.2? Ever since I updated this trick no longer works and I have to uninstall the app manually if I want to test it running for the first time. Oct 11 07:29:50 I mean, if atan2 returns radians Oct 11 07:29:56 why make apis that works with degrees Oct 11 07:31:31 canvas prototypes/functions are in degree in many languages & platforms Oct 11 07:31:48 don't even try to reason or search logic in because "here we have rad, there we should have deg" Oct 11 07:32:16 also converting rad/deg is too trivial to be an issue Oct 11 07:33:25 I just made the same program in iOS Oct 11 07:33:35 so much better apis Oct 11 07:33:40 even if they are much olde Oct 11 07:33:42 r Oct 11 07:34:54 Now you tell me "go back to ioS" but that's not how it works :P Oct 11 08:09:01 I can't imagine a world in which ios development is a thing to back to Oct 11 08:33:35 Hello Oct 11 08:34:25 Is there any reason my app all of a sudden won't work on API 24, my clients can't download the update. They get error -504 Oct 11 08:34:51 hi. i've a problem while debugging my app. It seems that it crashes only if i debug it, not if i run it Oct 11 08:37:46 vegetablesalad19, are you missing applicationId in your build.gradle? Oct 11 08:37:47 LucaS05: probably some threading issue Oct 11 08:40:01 xorgate: how can i get any error message? because i'm stuck, and i need debugging my app obviously :D Oct 11 08:40:15 i'm in the logcat Oct 11 08:40:19 LucaS05: well you gotta look at where it's crashing Oct 11 08:40:48 xorgate: it crashes after the onCreateLoader method finishes and returns the loader Oct 11 08:41:38 I have a List and I use dispatchTouchEvent on them all, but they are executed all directly (in time) how can i make it look like it takes 2 seconds to execute? Oct 11 08:42:55 just delay their injection Oct 11 08:43:40 xorgate: ok, now i see a doInBackground() method error (the first time in 2 days) :/ Oct 11 08:46:31 Mavrik, hmm I don't have applicationId Oct 11 08:47:07 Add it, there's a known issue where Play Services defines a content provider with tdefault name if you don't. Oct 11 08:47:16 And OS doesn't let multiple apps have content providers with same names. Oct 11 08:47:43 So if there's another app for which the dev forgot to add the applicationId on the device, it'll fail to install. Oct 11 09:03:31 hi, are you all getting your adsense stats fine ? Mine seems to have gone on standstill. Oct 11 09:07:41 xorgate: nothing, the app closes itself without any message. I'm using the Loaders API but i feel is more unpredictable than the AsyncTask API Oct 11 09:09:56 There is an unusual silence in my adfeed stats, a standstill for abou 14 hours. Oct 11 09:10:13 Something is wrong... Oct 11 09:29:11 So Fabric has this task "crashlyticsUploadDistributionDebug" but for several reasons I'd prefer to just call distDebug which in turn then calls crashlyticsUploadDistributionDebug. Anyone know how to do this in gradle? Oct 11 09:29:39 Also, I'd like to set ext.betaDistributionGroupAliases = "developers before calling crashlyticsUploadDistributionDebug Oct 11 09:44:28 anyone using admob interstitials? seems a bit slow to load Oct 11 09:46:18 Ok so my app runs on every phone < API 24, but on Android 7 phones I get "Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES: Failed to collect certificates", and I have applicationId Oct 11 09:47:14 Are there some signing changes in new android 7 ? Oct 11 09:48:19 Error states that app hasn't been signed. But that is not true Oct 11 09:48:39 It is signed and aligned and works on every phone < api 24 Oct 11 09:57:02 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37035139/install-parse-failed-no-certificates-from-adb-install-using-java-6-android-5-0 did you read this Oct 11 10:09:52 Zharf, yes, but it seems to be something different. Oct 11 10:10:05 My problem is related to v2 signing Oct 11 10:14:46 So last time I was here I was trying to work out how to dynamically resize a gridView that I was using as a table. Oct 11 10:15:01 I managed to pull this off and it worked for a while but now it no longer works in my app. Oct 11 10:15:17 I was using params.height() and then requestLayout() Oct 11 10:15:19 dynamically resize a gridview? Oct 11 10:15:35 Is there some reason why this would no longer work with the latest version of android? Oct 11 10:15:56 yeah, I had it resizing everytime I loaded a different table Oct 11 10:44:47 Lets say I want the image of the flags for all countries in the world. Is it any problem having all this as local images? Or is it better to call it from a server? Oct 11 10:45:11 Im only showing the one from the country you are in. the others will not be used Oct 11 10:51:45 Sourcey, not a problem except if you plan to update regularly the images Oct 11 10:52:01 usually, country flags do not change very often by nature Oct 11 10:57:02 Does anyone use greenDao 3? Oct 11 10:57:15 I'm struggling to get started, the documentation doesn't help much Oct 11 11:03:32 thanks adq Oct 11 11:03:44 I'll keep them local then Oct 11 11:20:29 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39976069/dynamically-resizing-a-gridview Oct 11 11:20:50 ......... To be more specific about my issue with dynamically changing the height of a gridView Oct 11 11:20:54 :) Oct 11 11:47:57 when populating a recyclerview item, i need to start a task that might take some time. how can i detect that the to-be-populated item has scrolled out of view (and might be recycled) ? Oct 11 11:48:44 hm might just be onViewRecycled Oct 11 11:53:00 Indeed. :) Oct 11 11:55:34 i'm trying to display Play Games avatars, and it might be that i need to fetch the player from the PlayGames service.. will take some time Oct 11 12:49:09 Please tell me I didn't f up. I published Beta app with API 24, just to test it out Oct 11 12:49:27 But my prod version is 22 Oct 11 12:49:42 So now it won't let me upload Beta with API 22 Oct 11 12:58:24 I guess I did Oct 11 12:58:51 This is not cool at all, I put it to beta just to test it out, not to commit all my app to new API Oct 11 13:23:29 vegetablesalad19, I don't know of a limit on api version Oct 11 13:23:40 vegetablesalad19, you'll need to bump your release version for every one you upload Oct 11 13:23:46 vegetablesalad19, maybe that's what it's complaining about? Oct 11 13:23:59 vegetablesalad19, oh; if you went to the new permissions model you may not be able to go backwards, come to think of it Oct 11 13:25:45 dragorn, yes thats exactly what I did :( Oct 11 13:26:13 yeah; come to think of it, you can't go backwards from that I don't think, because it changes how your app gets granted permissions by the system. Oct 11 13:26:18 my app sends request to a server, server generates a .png, app displays it, this works great on every phone we've encountered (25+ models thus far), but the Samsung Note 5 won't display the .png Oct 11 13:26:33 has anyone had an issue where a certain brand/model of phone refuses to display .png? Oct 11 13:26:44 in an app Oct 11 13:29:58 all I can guess is check all your mime types and other generation attributes Oct 11 13:30:06 in case something in the sn5 libs is more sensitive to that Oct 11 13:30:49 png is a pretty fundamental format so i doubt they've broken it device-wide, can you test loading pngs from files? If you grab the png from your server and make it a file and load it, does it work? Oct 11 13:31:10 that would narrow down if it's a) pngs in general, b) the format of YOUR png from your server, or c) something in how your server sends it, i think Oct 11 13:31:30 hello i always have this error in android studio 2.2.1 with gradle 2.1.4, i'm trying to build a sample project, "hello-GL2" this is the error that i have http://pastebin.com/Ki85qbS4 Oct 11 13:31:44 dragorn, yes, I use BitmapFactory.decodeByteArray to unserialize the bitmap, then I setVisibility to .Visible Oct 11 13:31:59 and it works on 25 different models of phones, across a variety of manufacturers Oct 11 13:32:10 it doesn't load the .png's on the Galaxy Note 5 though... Oct 11 13:32:32 azv4, that wasn't really the point of the question though. You know it works elsewhere and not on the note 5. Samsung is, I promise you, not going to change their phone. Oct 11 13:32:57 So you need to figure out why it fails, and then see if you can fix whatever is weird. So you need to figure out - is it your png file format you generated, or is it your server interaction, that samsung breaks Oct 11 13:33:10 dragorn, I never even thought to ask them... I was more curious if someone had seen this problem and knew a solution Oct 11 13:33:26 the server interaction is fine Oct 11 13:33:34 the file is making it to the phone Oct 11 13:33:49 it is either picEnd.setImageBitmap(BitmapFactory.decodeByteArray(bufferEnd, 0, bufferEnd.length)); Oct 11 13:34:00 or picEnd.setVisibility(View.VISIBLE); } Oct 11 13:34:03 that is failing I believe Oct 11 13:34:45 My wild-ass guess is that your png is just subtly wrong in a way that almost nothing cares about, but that samsung has modified libpng - probably to patch a security issue, or to apply a different patch to a security issue than other android vendors did Oct 11 13:34:53 that is, of course, a wild-ass guess. Oct 11 13:35:11 Im down to wild guesses Oct 11 13:35:15 so that is great Oct 11 13:35:18 take a png you know works - like an icon Oct 11 13:35:26 I wish this guy's phone would burst into flames Oct 11 13:35:27 and load it the same way you load your downloaded image Oct 11 13:35:45 ah you're not sitting in front of a note 5, that makes it a lot more annoying. ugh. Oct 11 13:36:11 yea, the app works on every device and emu I've tried it on Oct 11 13:36:13 anyhow - i'd say load a png you know loads fine, like one of your icons, and load it the same way via decodeByteArray. If it works, you know somehow your generated png is slightly weird Oct 11 13:36:20 it works on other Galaxy Note 5's so I'm told... Oct 11 13:36:33 I don't even know how to test this because I don't have a phone that it fails on... Oct 11 13:36:45 oh. if it works on others, too, then that's even weirder Oct 11 13:36:54 I wonder if I should ask him to do a factory reset on his device... Oct 11 13:37:05 couldn't hurt tho it's fairly disruptive Oct 11 13:38:49 someone else had this problem in android studio 2.2.1 with gradle 2.1.4 http://pastebin.com/Ki85qbS4 Oct 11 13:42:36 is this the way I should think ? I want to load the view on to the activity, then run an async task to check the views event dates(past due/Upcoming) , then update the view. ( or just check the dates before the activity loads ) Oct 11 14:09:22 With all source files downloaded and built AOSP takes roughly 200G of space. My MBP can't hold that, so I have setup an external SSD to house and work with it. My question is, are there any benefits to using a VM or Ubuntu box to build and work with AOSP over using an external and building on mac? Oct 11 14:09:57 I can't think of any benefit other than the process might be more straightforward but nothing that makes me believe that I should go the route of setting up a VM or getting another computer. Oct 11 14:11:38 Ping_2_Ur_Pong: This is not really the place to ask such questions. This channel is meant for Android app development, we do not build ROMs here. Oct 11 14:12:03 #android-root might have the answer for you Oct 11 14:12:08 pduin: is there another channel that specializes? Oct 11 14:12:12 didn't know that existed Oct 11 14:12:14 hmm... Oct 11 14:12:36 Ping_2_Ur_Pong: #android-root Oct 11 14:12:36 * Ping_2_Ur_Pong bows Oct 11 14:32:36 is there a way to execute an AsyncTaskLoader instance from a method? kinda like asynctask.execute() Oct 11 14:49:32 hi, if an app uses the on-going status notification icon, if the status text within it needs to be updated, does the icon need to hide and show ? Oct 11 14:59:14 Andre483, no, just post a new notification with the sam eid Oct 11 15:01:33 Please, If there are people here who are working on Accessibility in Android Platform; let me give to you a little feedback. Oct 11 15:03:25 ? Oct 11 15:04:21 The people who use "Negative Colors" as an accessibility feature need to toggle it all the time. Oct 11 15:05:52 Ah, there's practically no devs here that work on Android, writing a bug on Android bug tracker is usually more productive. Oct 11 15:06:22 zerojnt, submit a pr Oct 11 15:06:41 Oh I got :( Oct 11 15:06:49 So, I'm sorry about it. Oct 11 15:07:45 I thought here was a channel where Android platform devs should be here. Oct 11 15:10:37 if they were here, they'd probably be gettin spammed to death Oct 11 15:13:32 lol Oct 11 15:18:30 they used to hang out here. IDK when but they stopped coming a while ago, this was a favorite hangout spot of romainguy for a long time. Oct 11 15:19:14 Is there any command I can run to automatically install only updated packages in the Android SDK manager? Oct 11 15:19:45 command? idk... but in AS it will show all the updated and you can quickly set to update them. Oct 11 15:20:09 yeah, I can load the SDK manager, and do it that way, just wondered if there was a CLI command I could run delayed from boot to automatically update Oct 11 15:21:01 not that I am aware, nor would I auto do that. I don't personally share the opinion that you always just update software when there is a new version. I think you have to give it time to find out what the new fuckups are. Oct 11 15:22:42 looks like "android update sdk --no-ui" Oct 11 15:22:49 http://tools.android.com/recent/updatingsdkfromcommand-line Oct 11 15:23:52 Ah, I found that command Oct 11 15:24:01 and like that one says, it has a tendency to just install everything Oct 11 15:24:02 Is there a place where I can get the current locale to use with String.format() in Android? Oct 11 15:24:07 but that page also has a wsolution to that Oct 11 15:24:14 use the --filter Oct 11 15:24:36 yeah Oct 11 15:25:01 getReources().getConfiguration().locale Oct 11 15:25:43 Ping_2_Ur_Pong: thanks! Oct 11 15:26:57 "Samsung Sent us a "Note 7 Return Kit" with a Thermally-Insulated Box and Safety Gloves" lol Oct 11 15:27:36 heh at some point shippers were refusing to ship the units for return Oct 11 15:28:44 lol g00s Oct 11 15:30:49 i want one of those boxes ! Oct 11 15:30:58 Are samsung replacing the Note 7's with alternate phones? Oct 11 15:31:31 Ping_2_Ur_Pong: more exactly: http://stackoverflow.com/a/39639103 Oct 11 15:35:54 g00s: your statement made me think of the opening to The Simpsons where Homer is handling the radioactive thing Oct 11 15:35:57 :-D Oct 11 15:36:18 ha Oct 11 15:36:29 they should give you tongs and mask too Oct 11 15:36:41 only if you bring it on a plane :) Oct 11 15:40:43 i just saw the news Oct 11 15:40:47 http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/11/13202608/samsung-galaxy-note-7-discontinued Oct 11 15:41:13 hi. is it possible to get a reference to another viewHolder in the RecyclerViewAdapter? Oct 11 15:42:03 LucaS05: from what i know, not directly Oct 11 15:42:10 best bet would be to store them as they get created Oct 11 15:42:47 we had a similar problem in an app, we solved it by only storing the ViewHolders when they got bound to reduce the memory usage Oct 11 15:44:09 xximjasonxx: i see. anyway this is what i'm doing: http://pastebin.com/G22B1VUj the problem is the setVisibility method is called on the wrong itemHolder instance becuase of the position change (i'm putting the adapter's item at the top when they're selected) Oct 11 15:44:30 adapter's items* Oct 11 15:45:47 LucaS05: what method is that code called in Oct 11 15:45:58 onClick Oct 11 15:46:31 xximjasonxx: http://pastebin.com/cFTmKtxK Oct 11 15:54:52 xximjasonxx: i think it could a memory problem to save the viewholders Oct 11 15:55:03 i mean if you have thousands of them Oct 11 16:03:13 I'm uploading my Reddit client to Google Play for the first time. Should I pick High Maturity for 'Content rating', or is that asking for issues? Oct 11 16:03:34 I seem to remember reading that someone got their app removed after giving the wrong answers in the survey thing. Oct 11 16:06:17 LucaS05: It's hard to help with so little code. :S Oct 11 16:08:14 hey TacticalJoke :D Oct 11 16:08:16 TacticalJoke: yeah i know, i'm trying some little things Oct 11 16:08:25 Hey, g00s! Oct 11 16:08:38 little code ... little things ... little problems ... little help Oct 11 16:09:10 TacticalJoke when you look out the window over there, do you see anyone running down the street with a burning phone ? Oct 11 16:09:43 this years burning man festival should just be a monument to the S7 Oct 11 16:11:07 hmm how do I invalidate a vector drawable's bitmap cache Oct 11 16:11:19 I want to use one twice at different sizes Oct 11 16:12:14 so like it scales perfectly when I call setBounds as long as it is not used elsewhere at a different size Oct 11 16:12:17 g00s: Haven't seen one yet. It might be welcomed, though, because we seem to be in winter already. Oct 11 16:13:17 TacticalJoke: this is the code: http://pastebin.com/06vwDr1J menuList is the dataset. I'm trying to move the current item to the top of the recycler view. Oct 11 16:13:31 nothing so special Oct 11 16:13:54 i've tried with notifyItemRemoved but obviously is not the right method to call Oct 11 16:14:11 because it removes the item, but doesn't add it to the top Oct 11 16:14:14 oh man, this is weird. the latest version of AS downloads ConstraintLayout into a new / separate m2repository tree inside /extras Oct 11 16:14:45 it used to put it in extras/android/m2repository Oct 11 16:15:20 i hope they figure this shit out soon; they need to host a m2repo somehwere with everything Oct 11 16:15:35 (so now there are 3 m2repository trees) Oct 11 16:17:24 LucaS05: Only had a quick look (seriously multitasking), but I think you should be calling notifyItemChanged in onClick and then, in onBindViewHolder, calling setVisibility. Oct 11 16:19:02 Basically, you have to update the data and then tell the adapter "the data has changed". Then you set the visibility. Oct 11 16:19:55 now I am experimenting with setting a tint on the vector which seems to invalidate the cache Oct 11 16:22:21 although maybe I can just call mutate? Oct 11 16:29:28 TacticalJoke, here u r, "ad problematic 2.2.0 gradle - roll back to 2.1.3 did the trick an my case too Oct 11 16:29:42 bolovanos: 2.2.1 fixes it for me. Oct 11 16:29:50 it is out? Oct 11 16:29:51 brb Oct 11 16:30:19 Yeah. Oct 11 16:30:46 I signed up to those bug discussion on issue tracker, but nothing alerted me at all Oct 11 16:30:57 thx for info Oct 11 16:31:47 so what was the root cause of this issue? Oct 11 16:31:58 TacticalJoke, btw - have u seen any why's on that topic? Oct 11 16:32:03 bolovanos: Do you have a link to that bug? I don't have it anymore. Oct 11 16:32:04 s73v3r, :) Oct 11 16:32:05 Which topic? Oct 11 16:32:17 gradle 2.2.0 topic Oct 11 16:32:18 sec Oct 11 16:32:21 Oh, the bug. Haven't looked at it in a while. Oct 11 16:33:14 https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=215748 Oct 11 16:34:51 Thanks. No update Oct 11 16:35:23 Google Trips is weird, like its out of sync with Inbox Oct 11 16:35:24 :( Oct 11 16:36:07 yeah - nothing Oct 11 16:37:40 xximjasonxx: TacticalJoke i've solved with this http://pastebin.com/Z0smnPYs calling the two notify methods in that order Oct 11 16:38:11 the reference to the holder object is correct Oct 11 16:42:55 I'm trying to learn MVP Oct 11 16:43:05 Where do remote requests happen? Oct 11 16:43:10 In the presenter? Oct 11 16:43:23 * sudhirkhanger is completely lost on how to begin with testing. I have to learn to write connected tests (Intrumentation, I think?) AsyncTask class for my Udacity project. Oct 11 16:44:30 So my View is calling presenter.loadItems but where should the code for the request actually happen? Oct 11 16:47:34 AKK9: Idealy, you’d have a Repository object that the presenter can access Oct 11 16:47:52 that Repository would decide whether it needs to make a web request, or already has the stuff loaded Oct 11 16:48:32 hey guys Oct 11 16:48:39 Melatonina: https://www.tmdev.pro/post/playersandroid/ Oct 11 16:51:26 s73v3r: Thanks, so where do I do stuff like filtering/sorting results? Oct 11 16:51:36 is this still issue - or I should look harder for a solution? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28241380/applying-appcompat-theme-to-individual-preferences-in-a-preferencefragment Oct 11 16:51:42 there are a thousand different answers to that Oct 11 16:51:57 you’re gonna have to experiment and see which one works best for you Oct 11 16:52:23 s73v3r: Hmm yeah, I just want a very general rule to follow whenever I ask myself "where does this code go?" Oct 11 16:52:29 there isn’t one Oct 11 16:53:50 DelphiWorld: hi! Oct 11 16:53:58 hey Melatonina ! Oct 11 16:54:01 s73v3r: What would you do? Oct 11 16:54:09 i haven’t thought of it Oct 11 16:54:20 DelphiWorld: thanks for the overview. I think I'll use ExoPlayer Oct 11 16:54:20 dude, you are going to have to think for yourself sometimes Oct 11 16:54:58 :) Oct 11 16:55:07 s73v3r: I have been but no point reinventing something that's been done before Oct 11 16:55:11 Melatonina: exo ... exo is awesome, but if you want to use rtmp or rtsp links i recomand vitamio Oct 11 16:55:34 AKK9: there are a thousand different ways to do MVP Oct 11 16:55:46 DelphiWorld: are rtmp and rtsp for streaming? I don't think I need streaming but I'll keep that in mind Oct 11 16:55:52 there is no “reinventing” here Oct 11 16:56:49 I guess the presenter shouldn't contain any Android stuff right? Oct 11 16:56:53 So it can be reused? Oct 11 16:56:59 ideally, yes Oct 11 16:57:17 and so it can be tested using regular JUnit tests, rather than having to write tests with Android in mind Oct 11 16:57:55 Melatonina: rtmp and rtsp is for streaming, yes. either live or vod. but i strongly recomand "DASH"... Oct 11 16:59:22 Coolio, I'll just work to that for now and not think about it too much Oct 11 17:00:27 TacticalJoke, where did you get that 2.2.1? https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/gradle-plugin.html Oct 11 17:01:47 In `build.gradle`: `classpath 'com.android.tools.build:gradle:2.2.1'` Oct 11 17:01:56 They haven't published the release notes yet. Oct 11 17:02:11 As soon as I updated AS to 2.2.1, it wanted me to update the Gradle plugin. Oct 11 17:04:03 TacticalJoke, AS 2.2.1? That is also not in stable, is it? Oct 11 17:04:12 Yeah, it's stable now. Oct 11 17:04:22 I think it went stable yesterday. Oct 11 17:04:50 brb - I had to provoke it manually ... Oct 11 17:04:52 thx Oct 11 17:18:40 why me?! " AS 2.2.0 -> 2.2.1 | "java.io.IOException: Cannot delete file" Oct 11 17:19:36 question Oct 11 17:19:51 if I call notifyItemRemoved, do I also have to call notifyDataSetChanged Oct 11 17:21:31 Nope Oct 11 17:21:51 thanks SimonVT - i think i see the problem Oct 11 17:33:07 After installing my app from Google Play, if I click the "Foo installed!" notification, my app launches. If I then press Home and launch my app from the launcher, the app opens again but MainActivity.onCreate runs (which shouldn't happen as I pressed Home, not Back, before). Is this a known issue? Oct 11 17:33:20 I get the same with side-loading. Oct 11 17:35:05 Can you pass some arguments to the main activity of an application from the manifest? Oct 11 17:37:13 Answer: http://stackoverflow.com/a/13382866 Oct 11 17:46:40 any one know a simple digits ocr library Oct 11 17:55:40 is there a way to do backtrace() on modern versions of Android ? I would like not to be limited to system backtraces at the moment of crash�: for example, on iOS, my app can print the crash backtrace in a logfile, it can also print backtraces when not crashing, and it can send a crash backtrace by email by opening it as a draft in the Mail app. Oct 11 17:56:03 There used to be an API for doing backtraces in apps, some years ago, but it doesn't work anymore. Oct 11 18:00:11 matju: Log.getStackTraceString(new Exception()) ? Oct 11 18:00:30 Melatonina: sorry, I'm talking about C/C++. Oct 11 18:00:59 you really should say that upfront. this is an Android channel. The default is to assume Java Oct 11 18:01:21 yeah, I know. Oct 11 18:05:06 ugh, androidxref doesn't index tools/base Oct 11 18:07:08 https://android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/base/+/gradle_2.2.0/sdk-common/src/main/java/com/android/ide/common/res2/DataSet.java#414 Oct 11 18:07:25 I don't understand, why is the file getting skipped if its real timestamp is newer than what's indexed by the resource merger... Oct 11 18:08:21 I added some tags to the main activity declaration in the application manifest. I'm trying retrieve it but applicationInfo.metaData is null. Do you have any idea? Oct 11 18:08:36 Is there another way to pass information from the manifest to an activity? Oct 11 18:09:49 Hi. I have noticed that my android game is installed by one-two new people daily and then it is uninstalled. The game has pretty basic colourful pixel graphics and it's pretty hard to play at first. Do you have any tips for making them stay? Should I make the game overally easier? That was the biggest gripe people had it with when I showed them it. Oct 11 18:10:35 (and by pretty basic I mean it shouldn't really be put into the wild) Oct 11 18:12:50 karkoon: what if your game just sucks? Making it easier would just yield a easy game that sucks. Did you think of that? Oct 11 18:13:06 Melatonina: well I know that this game sucks really bad. Oct 11 18:13:14 karkoon: :D Oct 11 18:13:17 I was just curious why people are installing it Oct 11 18:13:26 and then immedially uninstalling Oct 11 18:13:43 because they don't know that it sucks until they installed it Oct 11 18:13:55 you should advertise this feature Oct 11 18:14:12 Do you have other analytics in your app? do you know how far they get into the game? Oct 11 18:14:14 karkoon: I'm joking Oct 11 18:14:15 (I don't know if they are doing it immediately because I don't have analytics) Oct 11 18:14:40 any analytics Oct 11 18:14:53 except the ones provided by developer menu Oct 11 18:15:06 unfortunately without those, it makes it really hard to determine where people are getting stuck unless you watch them Oct 11 18:15:53 s73v3r: hm... okay. I'll try to implement them someday. (maybe in few months, when there will be a winter break) Oct 11 18:17:07 oh, MergeResources task doesn't write timestamps... Oct 11 18:17:09 ugh Oct 11 18:17:22 karkoon i'd do it asap. momentum is key. if engagement is low, and people are uninstalling, you could wind up in the tar pit of despair (low ratings) which is hard to climb out of Oct 11 18:18:31 g00s: no time really. School. And I'd have to re-learn my messy code and try to add something I didn't think of adding. Oct 11 18:19:06 if you don’t have time for that, then how do you have time for other work on the game? Oct 11 18:19:36 s73v3r: I did it in roughly 8 months. Oct 11 18:19:49 and it is a pretty basic and shitty game Oct 11 18:20:32 here’s a tip: No matter how bad you might think of your own work, never talk that way about it to others, especially those who don’t know you personally Oct 11 18:20:54 if you keep saying that, you’re going to internalize it, and lose all desire to work on that game, or any game at all Oct 11 18:21:51 s73v3r: I'm thinking more along the lines "this is shitty but I'll finish it and then make something better" Oct 11 18:22:14 then you're finished, go make something better Oct 11 18:22:30 even so, don’t present yourself like that to other people Oct 11 18:22:53 They should really make a command in IDEs to just paste a piece of code from StackOverflow directly into your source code and make the simple adaptations. Oct 11 18:22:54 except I have noticed that some people are downloading it and I was wondering if I could improve it a little bit and make them stay or something Oct 11 18:23:35 karkoon: I could download it and review it on Google Play Oct 11 18:24:40 karkoon: if you want to improve it, that’s great, but you need to know what improvements are going to give you the best bang for your buck/time Oct 11 18:24:53 karkoon, you can't make people stay without making it useful/good Oct 11 18:24:55 you’re gonna have to watch people play the game as new Oct 11 18:25:14 you have to realize that 90% of people will install your app to see if it's useful/good in any way, and uninstall it unless it's compelling Oct 11 18:25:25 no matter what, 90% of those people are likely to uninstall Oct 11 18:25:27 s73v3r: yeah, I have heard of that. I inittially thought that this would be the first thing you were going to write. I don't like it because if I'd brag about it too much when it's a pretty bad game then it would show me as someone who doesn't know his own skills. Oct 11 18:25:45 Melatonina: I won't link it here :P Oct 11 18:25:56 you don’t have to say it’s the greatest thing in the world. but don’t sell yourself short Oct 11 18:26:12 pfn: yeah. That's also a thing. Oct 11 18:26:47 s73v3r: but it really isn't anything special Oct 11 18:26:53 doesn’t matter Oct 11 18:26:54 then don't expect people to keep it installed Oct 11 18:27:14 remember, I’m not telling you to hype the crap out of it. I’m just telling you to not put yourself down when you talk about it Oct 11 18:27:15 a game, especially, needs replayability if you want people to keep it installed Oct 11 18:28:14 yeah, if level 2 is too hard, and people bail , you have to know that they never reached level 3 Oct 11 18:28:24 but you need analytics, w/o it you have no clue Oct 11 18:28:48 pfn: It doesn't really have it. The gameplay at 0 points looks identical to the one at 1000 points or more. (And most people won't get past 60 points on the first try.) But that's pretty much the nature of the game. Oct 11 18:29:36 and if you get the hang of it then you can play forever without breaking a sweat Oct 11 18:30:57 Anyways, the suggestion is to ask some classmates who play phone games to try out your game Oct 11 18:31:14 Preferably have them start from downloading it in the store, and just watch over their shoulder as they play Oct 11 18:31:20 karkoon: Link? Oct 11 18:31:41 ideally, you’d have someone else actually facilitating this, as doing it in front of the creator can be intimidating Oct 11 18:31:52 Hm. I think you've made me really think about the flaws of this game. At some point of the development I was "just-make-it-work" and I didn't really think if my first idea is playable. Oct 11 18:32:19 orbyt_: no links :P It's in the rules! Oct 11 18:32:26 (advertising*) Oct 11 18:32:41 Your not advertising, im asking for it Oct 11 18:33:54 s73v3r: I have watched some people playing it. They thought it was too hard and I've seen that they weren't too good at it. Oct 11 18:34:13 orbyt_: is there a way to send a pm? Oct 11 18:34:47 maybe a tutorial level, or easing people into the gameplay is something to look into Oct 11 18:35:04 karkoon: Yes, though im sure others would like to check it out as well Oct 11 18:35:19 orbyt_: eh, okay. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.karkoon.grapplinghooknarwhal Oct 11 18:35:42 s73v3r: there's no point in having a tutorial level. There aren't any rules to explain. Oct 11 18:35:42 a tutorial level won't keep users unless there's a reason to keep playing Oct 11 18:35:59 a tutorial level would help ease players into the gameplay, though Oct 11 18:36:06 #1 reason, make a reason for users to keep your app Oct 11 18:36:34 (and as I said, don't expect anything special, good looking, having good gameplay, music, working at all etc) Oct 11 18:36:46 and it sounds like there does need to be something to explain, as people have said it’s too hard. Oct 11 18:37:13 karkoon: I'd clean up the interface a bit Oct 11 18:37:50 s73v3r: maybe I played too much flash games as a kid and I'm too familar with this type of games :P Oct 11 18:38:15 that reminds me of an old arcade game from the 80's where you have to climb cliffs with a grappling hook Oct 11 18:38:31 you always have to assume your players don’t know how to play the game. Make the tutorial/easing skippable, but don’t forget to include it Oct 11 18:38:33 orbyt_: The one in the main menu or the one in the main game? Oct 11 18:38:35 can't remember the name, let me see if google will remind me Oct 11 18:38:44 karkoon: All Oct 11 18:38:48 orbyt_: oh. Oct 11 18:39:15 ji Oct 11 18:39:17 hi Oct 11 18:39:20 hellop Oct 11 18:39:21 hello i have been trying my best to have my device detected on ubuntu 16, running adb devices, appears empty, i did follows instructions from http://askubuntu.com/questions/461729/ubuntu-is-not-detecting-my-android-device I m using samsung Galaxy TAB A any help please ? Oct 11 18:39:30 it was called 'Roc'N'Rope' ! one of my favorite classics Oct 11 18:39:59 afidegnum: after you've plugged your device, if you type dmesg what you can read in the last rows? Oct 11 18:40:32 s73v3r: I think I've seen a libgdx demo showing screens from the game with some text explaining things. Maybe I should do something similar. Oct 11 18:40:37 karkoon: you absolutely need a tutorial or something showing how to play. I just tried it, and died 3 straight times, cause I didn’t know what to do Oct 11 18:40:54 or make iap for making things easier! Oct 11 18:41:10 text only would be a last resort, if you can’t do something in game Oct 11 18:41:31 s73v3r: woah. I really didn't think that this game requires a tutorial. It just didn't come to my mind that something needs explaing. Really. Oct 11 18:41:47 i had no idea what to do going in Oct 11 18:41:55