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Oct 12 03:23:15 <ir7466> hi, how do people here test in-app purchases?
Oct 12 03:23:37 <ir7466> the google doco is a little bit lacking in this area. some areas it talks about static responses, some areas it says publish to an alpha channel first
Oct 12 04:41:21 <BinaryWaves> Hey all, I'm having an issue with my recycler adapter where the data isn't showing up when the app loads. When I rotate the device I put the data in the saved instance state and reload it upon fragment recreation so the data is there but it just doesn't show up on the first time around. Could anyone give me a hand if they are available? Thanks. https://gist.github.com/BinaryWaves/45d609de47c56025a3be4cdfe03064b3
Oct 12 05:05:49 <BinaryWaves> anyone on?
Oct 12 07:23:37 <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I have a question, in listview, what is the line in between each list called? I am wanting to change the color of it, and I thought it was called divider.
Oct 12 07:27:12 <Ashiren> it was
Oct 12 07:27:43 <Ashiren> by xml add android:divider="#FFCC00"
Oct 12 07:28:15 <Demon_Jester> I had that, and I had a color, but it doesn't show the divider in the listview..
Oct 12 07:28:42 <Ashiren> setDividerHeight()
Oct 12 07:28:54 <Ashiren> or xml
Oct 12 07:29:26 <Demon_Jester> ah I see
Oct 12 07:29:30 <Demon_Jester> its not even set
Oct 12 07:29:31 <Demon_Jester> ok thanks.
Oct 12 07:44:23 <beatbrot> Is there a possibility to prevent DownloadManager from deleting all files downloaded through the app if the user uninstalls the app?
Oct 12 07:45:33 <raoul11> wrong chan me thinks beatbrot
Oct 12 07:45:53 <beatbrot> raoul11: What do you mean? Oo
Oct 12 07:46:26 <raoul11> mayb im wrong
Oct 12 07:47:09 <Odaym> hey fellas
Oct 12 07:47:19 <Odaym> anyone ever send images with RetroFit?
Oct 12 07:47:26 <Odaym> what number of hell is this?
Oct 12 07:47:32 <Odaym> 12th stage of hell
Oct 12 07:48:37 <raoul11> beatbrot: what bout downloading to the external storage?
Oct 12 07:49:16 <beatbrot> raoul11: thats what I am doing, however, since lollipop, the downloadmanager deletes all files downloaded by the app at uninstall
Oct 12 07:49:32 <raoul11> on external as well? damn
Oct 12 07:51:49 <beatbrot> Yes :/
Oct 12 07:52:11 <beatbrot> I thought about renaming the file after download so download-manager is unable to find it...do you think that could work?
Oct 12 07:52:39 <raoul11> external storage suppose to be persistent
Oct 12 07:56:19 <beatbrot> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35209375/android-6-0-external-storage-files-being-deleted-upon-app-uninstall
Oct 12 07:56:24 <beatbrot> Its not :/
Oct 12 08:00:05 <raoul11> the copy+rename solution should be an easy workaround
Oct 12 08:05:22 <beatbrot> copy + rename? Oo do you think rename would be enough?
Oct 12 09:06:53 <Melatonina> Is there no "client secret" for application registered in Google?
Oct 12 09:10:15 <Zharf> client secret?
Oct 12 09:10:39 <afidegnum> hi, any insight on how to upgrade adb from Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.32 to the latest ?
Oct 12 09:10:52 <afidegnum> i tried downloading the SDK but it couldn't work out
Oct 12 09:11:37 <Zharf> open sdk manager and upgrade things
Oct 12 09:11:52 <afidegnum> i have done that too
Oct 12 09:12:09 <afidegnum> but when running adb version still on the same version as posted now
Oct 12 09:12:26 <Zharf> then make sure you're running the correct adb
Oct 12 09:12:44 <afidegnum> which on is hte correct one ?
Oct 12 09:13:03 <Zharf> some vendors are retarded and ship their own (obsolete) adb and often even put it in something like windows/system32 or something stupid like that
Oct 12 09:13:21 <Zharf> the one in sdk/platform-tools/ is the correct one
Oct 12 09:13:23 <afidegnum> oh ok,
Oct 12 09:13:28 <afidegnum> well im using ubuntu
Oct 12 09:13:43 <Zharf> what does `which adb` tell you
Oct 12 09:15:33 <afidegnum> /usr/bin/adb
Oct 12 09:15:46 <Zharf> why do you have adb in /usr/bin -.-
Oct 12 09:15:49 <Zharf> silly ubuntu...
Oct 12 09:15:55 <afidegnum> sad
Oct 12 09:16:02 <Zharf> you want to use the one in sdk/platform-tools/
Oct 12 09:16:06 <Melatonina> Zharf: yes. I watching a video on how to enable social logins in auth0. The video uses github. But google seems to work in a different way and I can't understand what I need to do to fix my problems with google. Differences are: google doesn't give you a client secret and google doesn't allow you to set the redirect uri. Apparently. I'm asking if anybody knows anything about this.
Oct 12 09:16:27 <afidegnum> ok, o think i will have to configure the env varialbe
Oct 12 09:16:36 <Melatonina> Zharf: do you use auth0?
Oct 12 09:16:39 <Zharf> no
Oct 12 09:16:53 <Melatonina> So why did you ask?
Oct 12 09:17:17 <Zharf> because your question was vague
Oct 12 09:17:44 <afidegnum> even in the env variable, android path points to the sdk folder
Oct 12 09:17:53 <afidegnum> so how do i change that ?
Oct 12 09:18:05 <Zharf> afidegnum, sure, but PATH is what determines where things are found
Oct 12 09:18:48 <afidegnum> Zharf: how do i change the adb path ?
Oct 12 09:18:49 <Melatonina> Zharf: "client secret" is a specific term, apparently
Oct 12 09:19:32 <Zharf> afidegnum, put your platform-tools directory in PATH before /usr/bin ...
Oct 12 09:20:32 <afidegnum> this is what i have earlier, export PATH=${PATH}:/home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/platform-tools:/home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/tools:/usr/share/npm
Oct 12 09:21:14 <Zharf> flip it around, do PATH=stuff:${PATH}
Oct 12 09:22:44 <afidegnum>  Zharf like this ?   export PATH=/home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/platform-tools:/home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/tools:/usr/share/npm:{PATH}
Oct 12 09:22:57 <Zharf> missing $
Oct 12 09:23:19 <afidegnum>   export PATH=/home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/platform-tools:/home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/tools:/usr/share/npm:${PATH}
Oct 12 09:24:03 <Zharf> try it
Oct 12 09:31:27 <sdousley> does anyone know how I can detect changes to a ToggleButton, so I can just save the option immediately?
Oct 12 09:31:49 <Zharf> someone uses togglebutton these days?
Oct 12 09:32:10 <sdousley> well, it looked like what I was imagining hehe
Oct 12 09:32:15 <sdousley> is there a better option?
Oct 12 09:32:23 <sdousley> I basically want a setting on/off
Oct 12 09:32:24 <Zharf> are you sure you don't want a Switch(Compat)?
Oct 12 09:33:09 <sdousley> hmmm, yeah, that looks a little nicer actually lol
Oct 12 09:33:26 <sdousley> OK, so how do I detect a Switch(Compat) gets changed then hehe
Oct 12 09:34:34 <sdousley> oh, just with onClick="" in the XML
Oct 12 09:34:34 <Zharf> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/CompoundButton.html#setOnCheckedChangeListener(android.widget.CompoundButton.OnCheckedChangeListener)
Oct 12 09:34:51 <Zharf> onClick doesn't work for all cases, better to use onCheckedChangeListener
Oct 12 09:35:09 <Zharf> (if you drag the slider it won't register as a click)
Oct 12 09:35:39 <Zharf> we were flabbergasted when we encountered that at work
Oct 12 09:35:53 <Zharf> it was unimaginable that someone would actually drag the thing
Oct 12 09:35:56 <Zharf> and not just tap it
Oct 12 09:38:46 <sdousley> hehe. users
Oct 12 09:38:49 <sdousley> you can never trust them
Oct 12 09:40:26 <sdousley> so do I call switch.setOnCheckedChangeListener(new OnCheckedChangeListener() {})
Oct 12 09:40:38 <sdousley> where switch is the switch in my layout xml
Oct 12 09:41:57 <sdousley> ah, helps if I do it in onCreate() not outside a method
Oct 12 09:42:32 <afidegnum> Zharf: $PATH
Oct 12 09:42:32 <afidegnum> bash: /home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/platform-tools:/home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/tools:/usr/share/npm:/home/afidegnum/anaconda2/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin: No such file or directory
Oct 12 09:44:25 <Zharf> what does `which adb` tell you now
Oct 12 09:44:51 <afidegnum> /home/afidegnum/Android/Sdk/platform-tools/adb
Oct 12 09:45:14 <afidegnum> i think that's the correct path
Oct 12 09:45:26 <afidegnum> but what about the error?
Oct 12 09:46:45 <afidegnum> and how do i remove the previous adb at /usr/bin/adb ?
Oct 12 09:47:04 <sdousley> omh, making some stupid mistakes now, it's been a while since I was making new activities
Oct 12 09:47:58 <Zharf> afidegnum, the error is because you used $PATH as a command
Oct 12 09:48:11 <Zharf> afidegnum, next time use "echo $PATH"
Oct 12 09:48:58 <afidegnum> ok
Oct 12 09:50:01 <sdousley> cool, got that working thanks Zharf
Oct 12 09:50:44 <Zharf> sdousley, heh
Oct 12 09:51:22 <sdousley> it's not storing the value, but good ol' Toast tells me it's working as I wanted
Oct 12 09:51:43 <sdousley> shoudl I say I've not toold the app to sore it yet, but just toast chcked or not.
Oct 12 09:52:03 <sdousley> Sorry for that swful typing. Typing with an apple in hand isn't easy it seems
Oct 12 09:52:16 <Zharf> ha
Oct 12 09:52:39 <sdousley> swful... lol just to prove a point (unintentionally)
Oct 12 09:56:24 <sdousley> Zharf: what would I use in the circumstance I want 3 options? Kinda like a <select> in HTML maybe?
Oct 12 09:57:01 <sdousley> the nearest I can (obviously) see is a spinner, but that's not really what I want.
Oct 12 09:57:50 <sdousley> oh wait, it is a spinner I want
Oct 12 09:57:52 <Zharf> spinner is really the thing you'd use for such a thing
Oct 12 09:58:12 <sdousley> yeah
Oct 12 10:00:03 <sdousley> hmmm, I'm just putting a spiner on, but it always seems to go over the Switch I have also
Oct 12 10:01:59 <xorgate> what are my options if i want to generate an mp4 from a bunch of Bitmaps? (I have a turnbased game where for every move i have a Bitmap I want to store in the vid, the bitmaps are basically the backing imagedata behind a custom view)
Oct 12 10:25:43 <bpe> xorgate, you would need something like ffmpeg maybe
Oct 12 10:30:04 <WeiJunLi> when downloading the AOSP, I have a asus mobile  with version 6.0.1 and kernel 3.10.49 - should I download /device/asus/flo-kernel ?
Oct 12 10:30:18 <adq> WeiJunLi, wrong channel, try #android-root
Oct 12 10:35:53 <BinaryWaves> Hey guys, posted earlier but there seems to be more people on so i'll bump
Oct 12 10:36:03 <BinaryWaves> I'm having an issue with my recycler adapter where the data isn't showing up when the app loads. When I rotate the device I put the data in the saved instance state and reload it upon fragment recreation so the data is there but it just doesn't show up on the first time around. Could anyone give me a hand if they are available? Thanks. https://gist.github.com/BinaryWaves/45d609de47c56025a3be4cdfe03064b3
Oct 12 10:47:49 <whatitis> on first creation of adapter object, is the data filled, or are you filling data after the object is created?
Oct 12 10:55:02 <gdrc> Total time: 3 mins 7.485 secs
Oct 12 10:56:51 <whatitis> timed your mile time? that's pretty fast
Oct 12 10:57:46 <gdrc> :(
Oct 12 11:00:43 <BinaryWaves> whatitis: ArrayList<Language> data = updateData();
Oct 12 11:00:43 <BinaryWaves>             adapter = new LanguagesAdapter(getContext(), data);
Oct 12 11:01:06 <BinaryWaves> the updateData function pulls the data from the web. and the adapter is instantiated with the data
Oct 12 11:02:02 <Ashiren> then you have to again setAdapter(adapter) as its new adapter
Oct 12 11:02:24 <Ashiren> or better, do adapter.setData(...) then adapter.notifyDataSetChanged()
Oct 12 11:03:44 <BinaryWaves> if you look at the gist i provided, you will see that the adapter is being set to the recyclerview in oncreateview. after the adapter is instantiated in oncreate
Oct 12 11:04:06 <BinaryWaves> the data is in the adapter at its instantiation
Oct 12 11:05:14 <Ashiren> umm you pull data from the web onCreate()?
Oct 12 11:05:54 <Ashiren> the updateData() method, does it return 'immediately'?
Oct 12 11:06:09 <BinaryWaves> what do you mean immediately?
Oct 12 11:06:17 <whatitis> if web request no, can't do web stuff on ui thread
Oct 12 11:06:47 <BinaryWaves> it is a firebase function which automatically handles network stuff off of the ui thread
Oct 12 11:06:52 <Ashiren> reference.addListenerForSingleValueEvent sounds like some callback, so the data returned is empty at first
Oct 12 11:06:58 <BinaryWaves> but the data isn't added in that function
Oct 12 11:07:13 <whatitis> BinaryWaves, he's saying even though you have line 1 and 2 being request data and set adapter with data, they running async
Oct 12 11:07:18 <BinaryWaves> so the data itself being added to the adapter should be on the ui thread. only it's retrieval should be on another thread
Oct 12 11:07:44 <BinaryWaves> whatitis that has been my hunch
Oct 12 11:07:52 <whatitis> BinaryWaves, exactly, it isn't blocking while getting data
Oct 12 11:07:57 <BinaryWaves> but i don't know how to account for it
Oct 12 11:08:12 <whatitis> you update/notify adapter once data is retrieved
Oct 12 11:08:17 <Ashiren> BinaryWaves: just to see if it works, put at the end of onDataChange adapter.notifyDatasetChanged()
Oct 12 11:08:40 <BinaryWaves> there is no onDataChange method in my code..
Oct 12 11:09:05 <whatitis> you need to notify your adapter on the data change when you have the new data
Oct 12 11:09:07 <BinaryWaves> the method from the firebase code doesn't add the data to the adapter
Oct 12 11:09:23 <BinaryWaves> it puts it into a local array within the method which is returned
Oct 12 11:09:42 <whatitis> it's all about concurrency
Oct 12 11:09:43 <Ashiren> BinaryWaves: line 117 at your just
Oct 12 11:09:47 <Ashiren> your gist
Oct 12 11:10:23 <BinaryWaves> the adapter is not instantiated at that line of code
Oct 12 11:10:42 <Ashiren> but do it what i said and see the magic
Oct 12 11:11:45 <Ashiren> actually after line 122
Oct 12 11:12:13 <BinaryWaves> so just before the return statement
Oct 12 11:12:44 <Ashiren> at the end of onDataChange, inside onDataChange
Oct 12 11:13:05 <whatitis> also you have 2 different data objects, one is scoped to the instance of your fragment and one to your scope of updateData method. could cause some confusion
Oct 12 11:17:05 <BinaryWaves> the one scoped to updateData is just temporary while the data is downloading. i figured it would be better to add all of the data at once rather than after each individual one.
Oct 12 11:17:14 <BinaryWaves> it worked! you were right Ashiren
Oct 12 11:17:35 <Ashiren> now figure out why would it work
Oct 12 11:17:45 <Ashiren> when "adapter isnt there"
Oct 12 11:19:58 <whatitis> BinaryWaves, you can always pass your Fragment data as a method param to keep object creation down too, updateData(data); just as really no need to create an extra list just for that method, even though it will eventually get GC
Oct 12 11:21:05 <BinaryWaves> hmm. the data array object (scoped to updateData) is created -> the network call is made, but as it is doing its thing, the code in the updateData method continues to progress and passes the reference to that object outside of the function. which is assigned to the object in the oncreate method. which is passed into the adapter and set to it's data object... but because the reference is still that of the object within the
Oct 12 11:21:05 <BinaryWaves>  updateData method, the network call writes to it anyway
Oct 12 11:21:07 <BinaryWaves> correct?
Oct 12 11:22:07 <Ashiren> yes. the adapter has the changed data, but it needs to call the recyclerView that it has update data, otherwise recyclerView wont refresh
Oct 12 11:23:42 <BinaryWaves> i had tried it in the adapter's constructor like this.data = data (the incoming one) and then on the next line doing this.notifyDataSetChanged(); but it didnt work. i see now it would have to be in the onDataChanged method
Oct 12 11:24:09 <BinaryWaves> whatitis: I changed the code and cut out the extra data member by doing "adapter = new LanguagesAdapter(getContext(), updateData());"
Oct 12 11:24:21 <BinaryWaves> no middle man
Oct 12 11:24:53 <BinaryWaves> though i will rename updateData as the name isn't really appropriate since it is more of a getData()
Oct 12 11:30:14 <BinaryWaves> hmm. do you think i should move the updateData function inside of the adapter or is better practice to leave it inside of the fragment class?
Oct 12 11:30:26 <BinaryWaves> and pass into adapter. the latter is what i see more often
Oct 12 11:36:07 <BinaryWaves> I added it into the adapter and simplified even more. Thank you both, this bug had been bothering me all day
Oct 12 11:36:11 <BinaryWaves> i can finally sleep haha
Oct 12 11:36:36 <derbie> Hi
Oct 12 11:36:58 <derbie> When you select text in chrome, a horizontal menu appears on top with options: back, select all, copy, share, find
Oct 12 11:37:24 <derbie> can I extend and add a button?
Oct 12 12:09:21 <FrancescoV> derbie, inside your app or in general?
Oct 12 12:50:01 <bolovanos> hithere
Oct 12 12:50:57 <Melatonina> Can I use the Nexus 5x fingerprint sensor to login into my application?
Oct 12 12:53:40 <bolovanos> have strange behaviour with ListView and AbsListView.MultiChoiceModeListener case: 1) ListView filled fith data 30 items (visible 8), by activating MultiChoiceModeListener - CAB apears, one item is selected, rotating display back and forth - having 1 item selected
Oct 12 12:54:18 <bolovanos> 2) same as before, but selecting item which is behind thos 8 visible - rotation erase selected item...
Oct 12 12:54:49 <bolovanos> just comparing logs, but who knows maybe someone had same problem
Oct 12 13:01:14 <Faizan> hey
Oct 12 13:01:32 <AlecTaylor> hi
Oct 12 13:01:51 <Faizan> I'm looking for a way to get the current frame number from a live recording, and everytime the user touches the screen, the frame number is displaed
Oct 12 13:02:13 <Faizan> I have the tapping functionality, but I can't find a way to get the current frame number. What would be the best way to go about this?
Oct 12 13:02:32 <Faizan> Even if there's a way to get the current fps of the recording and I can calculate every 0.25s or something
Oct 12 13:02:48 <Melatonina> Faizan: how are you recording?
Oct 12 13:02:53 <Faizan> using MediaRecorder
Oct 12 13:03:05 <Melatonina> then MediaRecorder should tell you that information
Oct 12 13:03:18 <Faizan> it doesn't - only max and minimum
Oct 12 13:03:48 <AlecTaylor> What abstraction--e.g.: POJO--should I use to generalise AsyncTask + progress showing? - E.g.: Service or my own POJO atop an Interface.
Oct 12 13:05:03 <Melatonina> Faizan: then use another component with a better API to record your videos
Oct 12 13:05:21 <Faizan> Isn't MediaRecorder the standard though?
Oct 12 13:06:01 <Melatonina> It may be the standard but it sucks if it fails to provide that basic piece of information
Oct 12 13:06:54 <Ashiren> question - can app using google maps use its offline maps?
Oct 12 13:07:01 <AlecTaylor> Yes
Oct 12 13:07:19 <Ashiren> really?
Oct 12 13:10:59 <Faizan> Melatonina: I got it. MediaRecorder does not provide FPS info directly, but it uses a CamcorderProfile which does have a method to provide fps
Oct 12 13:11:03 <Faizan> how accurate it is idk
Oct 12 13:25:57 <afidegnum> hello good afternoon all, i can't launc android from the command even though i applied the said options http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10969753/android-command-not-found
Oct 12 13:27:18 <Melatonina> afidegnum: good afternoon to you too!
Oct 12 13:29:28 <tothbalint> Hello to everybody!
Oct 12 13:30:23 <raoul11> herro
Oct 12 13:32:51 <tothbalint> I would like to ask a question. I am trying to implement a DialogBox, with checkbox list as the dialog content, just like it is on the android developer site: https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html
Oct 12 13:32:54 <AlecTaylor> hey
Oct 12 13:33:18 <afidegnum> sorry i was disconnected any insight ?
Oct 12 13:33:26 <afidegnum> about my issue ?
Oct 12 13:33:32 <tothbalint> there is a row there in the example which shows in my understanding that they pull the items from R.array
Oct 12 13:33:42 <tothbalint> setMultiChoiceItems(R.array.toppings, null, new DialogInterface.OnMultiChoiceClickListener() {
Oct 12 13:33:52 <dsardari> afidegnum: your path just not setup correctly?
Oct 12 13:34:38 <tothbalint> how could I substitute that array with one that I create when I call the DialogBox? Because the number and text of the checkboxes are dependent on some conditions, so I cannot make them hard-coded
Oct 12 13:34:41 <afidegnum> dsardari: ok, can you offer some hints to fix please?
Oct 12 13:34:50 <dsardari> are you on a mac?
Oct 12 13:35:00 <afidegnum> no uubntu
Oct 12 13:35:03 <afidegnum> ubuntu
Oct 12 13:35:06 <raoul11> define an array on your strings.xml
Oct 12 13:35:18 <raoul11> and call that one instead
Oct 12 13:36:49 <afidegnum> raoul11: me ?
Oct 12 13:36:56 <raoul11> no tothbalint
Oct 12 13:38:12 <dsardari> afidegnum: that answer seems fine. might need to close all your open terminals first.
Oct 12 13:38:17 <raoul11> tothbalint: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/AlertDialog.Builder.html#setMultiChoiceItems(java.lang.CharSequence[],%20boolean[],%20android.content.DialogInterface.OnMultiChoiceClickListener)
Oct 12 13:38:31 <tothbalint> raoul11, but my issue is, that the contents of the array need to be generated on the fly, it depends on user preferences, typed in infos, etc
Oct 12 13:38:43 <raoul11> you can pass a charsequence array
Oct 12 13:38:52 <raoul11> which you can generate dynamically
Oct 12 13:39:59 <afidegnum> i have done that
Oct 12 13:40:10 <joy_> what is the use to include c++ support in the project,am newbie
Oct 12 13:40:29 <dsardari> echo your path and see if it's actually in there
Oct 12 13:40:53 <xorgate> joy_: speed, sharing code between projects for other platforms..
Oct 12 13:41:49 <joy_> xorgate but am making my project in java,so how come c++ will be used for sharing code?
Oct 12 13:42:03 <joy_> or i have to use it ?
Oct 12 13:42:36 <xorgate> joy suppose you have some functionality to decompress a .png file, you would want to use it both on iOS and android
Oct 12 13:42:46 <xorgate> no java will be fine for most things
Oct 12 13:43:12 <xorgate> usually things like that are done in c/c++ for speed reasons
Oct 12 13:43:20 <xorgate> migth as well make it multiplatform
Oct 12 13:45:12 <joy_> xorgate ok thank you :)
Oct 12 13:45:24 <xorgate> joy_: since you are newbie, don't worry about it
Oct 12 13:45:34 <tothbalint> raoul11, thank you very much! :)
Oct 12 13:45:38 <raoul11> gotta use eclipse lately for skool, comparred to AS its so fukin horrible
Oct 12 13:45:46 <joy_> ok :),it will take time to understand the things
Oct 12 13:58:49 <Melatonina> raoul11: do you still go to school?
Oct 12 13:59:03 <raoul11> nah, doing a course on edx
Oct 12 13:59:27 <Melatonina> For a moment I though "11" was your age
Oct 12 13:59:48 <raoul11> its my mental age
Oct 12 13:59:51 <Melatonina> Does anybody here uses Auth0? Did you manage to make Google authentication work? Can you help me?
Oct 12 14:00:56 <Melatonina> What id can I used to identify a user in my database if I authenticate it with OAuth, like when using Auth0?
Oct 12 14:01:00 <gdrc> https://infinum.co/the-capsized-eight/articles/android-development-is-30-percent-more-expensive-than-ios
Oct 12 14:01:12 <gdrc> So why is Android development slower? XML layouting
Oct 12 14:01:26 <gdrc> am I the only one who think XML layouting is super cool?
Oct 12 14:02:27 <mekhami_> Hi. I have a webview app, and on chromeos, -webkit-user-select: auto; is behaving oddly. It makes the trackpad/mouse act like the touch screen, where you have to long click to get highlighting and such. is this a known issue? I didn't see it on the chromium tracker but not sure where else to look
Oct 12 14:03:38 <Melatonina> gdrc: how to iOS developer layout their UIs?
Oct 12 14:03:47 <raoul11> was gonna ask the same thing Melatonina
Oct 12 14:04:22 <adq> gdrc, seems BS to me, because using a quantity criteria like number of lines is ....
Oct 12 14:04:40 <adq> it makes no sense with IDE completion
Oct 12 14:04:52 <adq> (and other generator/automated stuff)
Oct 12 14:05:19 <Melatonina> guys, just pretend that article is right and ask 30% more money
Oct 12 14:05:27 <adq> ...
Oct 12 14:05:59 <xorgate> Melatonina: they drag them into the ui designer and then drag them onto sourcefiles where xcode makes a variable and links the two
Oct 12 14:06:08 <adq> there so many BS in this article but i don't want to go further
Oct 12 14:06:53 <gdrc> Melatonina: they/we have two options: by code by IB. I have IB so I do by code. You don't know how much I'd like to have something similar to Android
Oct 12 14:07:15 <Melatonina> IB?
Oct 12 14:07:23 <gdrc> Interface Builder.
Oct 12 14:07:25 <adq> IB is far from being buggy and less featured than the layout preview mode lol
Oct 12 14:07:32 <adq> it's totally 2 different worlds
Oct 12 14:07:35 <gdrc> I totally agree
Oct 12 14:07:53 <gdrc> preview mode has a lot of issue but still great compared to IB
Oct 12 14:08:16 <adq> IB comes from a long way too, it inherits from smalltalk (like obj-c did too)
Oct 12 14:08:23 <adq> i mean, there is a big history behind IB
Oct 12 14:08:27 <gdrc> it's shit.
Oct 12 14:08:54 <gdrc> it's the thing I hate more about ios development
Oct 12 14:09:02 <adq> ah
Oct 12 14:09:07 <adq> for me it was the need to have mac + xcode ;)
Oct 12 14:09:23 <adq> and also ADC sub, barely annoying though
Oct 12 14:09:26 <mekhami_> Hi. I have a webview app, and on chromeos, -webkit-user-select: auto; is behaving oddly. It makes the trackpad/mouse act like the touch screen, where you have to long click to get highlighting and such. is this a known issue? I didn't see it on the chromium tracker but not sure where else to look. https://output.jsbin.com/hojekilece/1 You can open this in a webview testing app and see the same behavior.
Oct 12 14:09:30 <g00s> plenty of stats on android being more expensive to develop for, but its in the testing
Oct 12 14:09:51 <gdrc> what kind?
Oct 12 14:10:10 <g00s> but since those studies cost $3-$4K to get a hold of, everybody likes to pretend it isn't true
Oct 12 14:10:33 <adq> comparing quantity of code is enough to discredit all of it
Oct 12 14:10:51 <adq> especially when starting with "We have the metrics to prove it, |...]"
Oct 12 14:11:09 <g00s> i don't think so, you can create a cost function for each platform's function point / loc / cost
Oct 12 14:11:22 <adq> i've got nicolas cage movie release date VS ppl dying in swimming pool
Oct 12 14:11:28 <adq> which correlates very well
Oct 12 14:11:43 <raoul11> thats a good graph
Oct 12 14:11:44 <g00s> correlation is OK sometimes
Oct 12 14:11:47 <gdrc> I guess with swift the quantity of code will be less
Oct 12 14:11:49 <raoul11> imgur a lot?
Oct 12 14:12:05 <adq> g00s, for completing your nick i tape 2 letters: g0
Oct 12 14:12:12 <adq> type*
Oct 12 14:12:18 <g00s> :D
Oct 12 14:12:33 <adq> you could have been named g000000000000000000000000000s it would not change much of my effort
Oct 12 14:12:58 <adq> anyway :)
Oct 12 14:13:46 <gdrc> is g00s like a nickname for gustavo?
Oct 12 14:15:52 <Faizan> Ugh there must be some way to reliably get the current fps rate of a recording
Oct 12 14:15:56 <Faizan> does anybody know?
Oct 12 14:18:23 <adq> there is only one way to measure FPS
Oct 12 14:18:47 <Faizan> What's that?
Oct 12 14:18:52 <adq> if you cannot match a timestamp in millisecond with each frame or each pack of frames, you're screwed
Oct 12 14:19:08 <Faizan> I'm doing that
Oct 12 14:19:12 <adq> or maybe the video you are playing got metadata containing the FPS
Oct 12 14:19:15 <Faizan> (i think)
Oct 12 14:19:23 <adq> then what's your issue?
Oct 12 14:19:44 <adq> you could average its values with a lowpass filter to get a smooth estimation
Oct 12 14:19:44 <Faizan> well the device's max fps is 30, but it won't record at 30 fps constantly
Oct 12 14:20:12 <Faizan> so I want to calculate the frame number every 0.25 seconds say, and to do that I need to check the current frame rate every 0.25 seconds also
Oct 12 14:20:24 <Faizan> e.g. it might be recording at 27 fps at 00:01:30, and 28 fps a few seconds later
Oct 12 14:20:28 <adq> you won't get a good accuracy with that
Oct 12 14:20:40 <Faizan> how would you recommend?
Oct 12 14:20:41 <adq> since many things could happen in 0.25 seconds, and it's probably not matching the vsync too
Oct 12 14:20:54 <Faizan> the idea basically is
Oct 12 14:21:09 <adq> Faizan, don't you receive _every_ frame when you record?
Oct 12 14:21:13 <Faizan> I click on the screen during recording, and it shows the x coordinate, y coordinate and the time of touch (relative to recording)
Oct 12 14:21:22 <Faizan> but i also want to add frame number to that
Oct 12 14:21:49 <Faizan> i dont have any callback for the frames i receive currently
Oct 12 14:22:05 <Faizan> i'm just using MediaRecorder to touch
Oct 12 14:22:15 <adq> i don't understand the relation with touch
Oct 12 14:22:24 <Faizan> it's for an object tracking application
Oct 12 14:22:36 <Faizan> i tap on an object every 2-5 seconds to store it's x and y position
Oct 12 14:22:47 <adq> but that has nothing to do with measure the recording FPS
Oct 12 14:23:04 <Faizan> i want to also store the current frame number as well as the x and y position
Oct 12 14:23:33 <Faizan> ultimately i'm running the recording and the yml file through some software on my pc
Oct 12 14:23:38 <adq> if you get a frame number which is a pure increment and you can associate this frame number with a timestamp, then you can calculate the fps
Oct 12 14:23:50 <adq> it will be more or less accurate depending on the delta between each timestamp
Oct 12 14:24:05 <Faizan> the fps isn't important, I just thought it would help me to calculate the frame number
Oct 12 14:24:10 <Faizan> but I think I see what you mean
Oct 12 14:24:16 <Faizan> everytime I receive a frame, increment the frame number
Oct 12 14:24:29 <adq> uh so your issue is in fact knowing which frame number is when user taps the screen?
Oct 12 14:24:34 <Faizan> yeah
Oct 12 14:24:40 <adq> (i really thought it was only about computing recording FPS)
Oct 12 14:24:44 <adq> then no idea lol
Oct 12 14:24:51 <Faizan> apologies for confusing you
Oct 12 14:24:54 <adq> np
Oct 12 14:25:04 <Faizan> what about what I said?
Oct 12 14:25:11 <Faizan> each time I receive a frame, increment a counter
Oct 12 14:26:54 <adq> not sure because you said you don't have callback for the frames you receive
Oct 12 14:27:09 <Faizan> But I can add that
Oct 12 14:27:20 <Faizan> I just had no use for the callback currently, because i'm not doing anything with the frames myself
Oct 12 14:27:52 <adq> i really don't know if there is another way
Oct 12 14:27:58 <Faizan> Me neither
Oct 12 14:28:06 <Faizan> " if you get a frame number which is a pure increment and you can associate this frame number with a timestamp, then you can calculate the fps"
Oct 12 14:28:09 * g00s disables instant run, again :D irony: disabled because excessive --info logging was slowing down build, but disabling it shows window to help google by enabling excessive logging
Oct 12 14:28:15 <Faizan> could you elaborate on that a little?
Oct 12 14:28:46 <adq> sure, but when i said that, i thought you had a way to retrieve the frame number
Oct 12 14:28:59 <Faizan> Ah okay
Oct 12 14:29:00 <Faizan> I wish
Oct 12 14:29:03 <Faizan> that's the final goal lol
Oct 12 14:29:31 <Faizan> the idea is I'm running the YML file and the recording through ffmpeg
Oct 12 14:29:37 <Faizan> and ffmpeg likes frame numbers more than timestamps
Oct 12 14:35:06 <FrancescoV> somebody else had an issue recently with transparent fragments?
Oct 12 14:39:59 <frappy> avd is running but its not displaying the phone
Oct 12 14:53:13 <joshkovach> anyone using fastlane for automated deployment to the play store? Getting an apkMissingIcon error, but the app definitely has an icon set up in the manifest.
Oct 12 14:53:50 <sdousley> Is there any way to manually download an APK from the play store to install it?
Oct 12 14:54:04 <derbie> When you select text in chrome, a horizontal menu appears on top with options: back, select all, copy, share, find. Can I extend this feature and add a button?
Oct 12 14:54:05 <sdousley> Out internet connection here is being really rubbish, and not downloading anything from the play store
Oct 12 14:54:08 * derbie fell asleep there...
Oct 12 14:55:33 <sdousley> and because I'm ut in the sticks at work, I can't just do it over 4G either :(
Oct 12 14:55:37 <esildor> Do you guys/gals know of any way to get the ids of queued notifications from your app. I know theres getActiveNotifications(); but its at API level 23 which I'm looking to support around 15-18
Oct 12 14:57:53 <adq> esildor, https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/NotificationManager.html
Oct 12 14:58:10 <adq> then you could retrieve the list of notif (StatusBarNotification[]) and get the id from each element
Oct 12 14:58:56 <esildor> adq: Thanks, but thats at API level 23 and I'm shooting to support around 15-18
Oct 12 14:58:57 <adq> oops it's indeed api 23 :( my bad
Oct 12 14:59:01 <esildor> np
Oct 12 14:59:29 <esildor> its really weird this is a 'new' thing. Seems like something the OS should have supported for a while
Oct 12 14:59:56 <adq> i also looked the https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/NotificationManagerCompat.html which often provide backward port
Oct 12 15:00:08 <adq> but i don't see a list of notif being returned -_-
Oct 12 15:00:46 <Dagmar> Enh... Thankfully I'm mainly dealing with people who already play Ingress or Pokemon Go so I can just target API 19 and tell the other three people to buy a new phone
Oct 12 15:02:14 <derbie> "As a user i want to learn of word definitions while reading articles on various websites." To achieve high usability I was thinking of adding a button on that top horizontal menu which appears when selecting text, in order to fetch the definition and display an overlayered dialog
Oct 12 15:03:29 <derbie> For the feature to be available on all websites, I'm guessing i'd have to extend chrome
Oct 12 15:04:01 * derbie wants to learn swedish lazily
Oct 12 15:06:22 <LucaS05> hi. does scrollToPosition on the recyclerview can cause a dataset refresh?
Oct 12 15:07:38 <pfn> no
Oct 12 15:08:37 <pfn> derbie, nope, a feature in marshmallow allows this
Oct 12 15:09:22 <derbie> pfn: Any ref?
Oct 12 15:09:27 <derbie> ^^
Oct 12 15:09:29 <pfn> not the overlay aspect
Oct 12 15:09:39 <pfn> marshmallow text selection menu, Google
Oct 12 15:13:58 <derbie> thanks pfn <3
Oct 12 15:15:06 <Ologn> Oh man...
Oct 12 15:15:29 <Ologn> All I had to do to get off this spam blocklist was fix my reverse DNS
Oct 12 15:17:49 <frappy> how to download apps in an AVD?
Oct 12 15:24:58 <esildor> adq: Ugh, this shouldn't be hard lol, all I'm trying to do is enqueue a notification to trigger at a time, but when the game loads up, cancel that notification
Oct 12 15:32:51 <adq> esildor, if you created the notif(s), you could store and track yourself the associated id(s) to be used later on with notificationmanager or something else requiring the id
Oct 12 15:34:29 <esildor> adq: So I'm already storing the ID's and sending them back to Unity and storing them in a PlayerPref, is there a way to get the android Notification object by ID?
Oct 12 15:35:56 <adq> i doubt that, what do you want to achieve, modify the content of a notif?
Oct 12 15:36:24 <adq> because it's not really something you access and modify, if you want to modify it you basically send a new notification with same id with updated fields
Oct 12 15:38:02 <esildor> adq: Basically, with each notification, I add some metadata to it that stores the 'category' of notification  it is, and I want to cancel some that are a specific category
Oct 12 15:38:08 <LucaS05> hey guys, i'm still trying to remove the current element from the list and add it to the top of the recyclerview. This is the code: http://pastebin.com/ZH0HGHUS the onItemAdded method simply calls scrollToPosition(0); The problem is that it isn't working very well, and the button that i'm trying to hide, is not hidden in the top item. It seems like the top item is a new one
Oct 12 15:38:08 <esildor> Does that make sense?
Oct 12 15:39:36 <adq> esildor, if you look at cancel methods https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/NotificationManager.html#cancel(java.lang.String, int) they basically just take the 'id' as param
Oct 12 15:39:54 <adq> so you would need maybe to be more inventive and stack inside the id integer the category somehow
Oct 12 15:40:07 <adq> or target specifically every id of a category
Oct 12 15:40:16 <torak> Guys i have a unique question.
Oct 12 15:40:44 <torak> Should i use dot in the snackbars and toast messages?
Oct 12 15:41:32 <torak> "Wrong password." or "wrong password" or "Wrong Password" or "Wrong password"
Oct 12 15:42:05 <adq> torak, https://material.google.com/components/snackbars-toasts.html i would say without "dot" based on their screens
Oct 12 15:42:26 <adq> unfortunately, some other screens on the same page has dot too lol
Oct 12 15:43:06 <esildor> adq: Yeah I was worried I'd have to do something like that, thanks for all the help dude
Oct 12 15:43:26 <torak> adq: Yes thank you
Oct 12 15:44:10 <adq> i think if you don't display proper sentences, but more short stuff like "Sent" you should even avoid "dot"
Oct 12 15:44:21 <feliwir> hey i am trying to build an app with cmake and android native sdk
Oct 12 15:44:23 <feliwir> i get the following error: poll.h can't be opened in android_native_app_glue.h
Oct 12 15:44:47 <feliwir> any ideas why that is?
Oct 12 15:45:00 <torak> And there is one more question. Ath the link you sent adq , there is a line something like this: "Toasts (Android only) are primarily used for system messaging. They also display at the bottom of the screen, but may not be swiped off-screen. "
Oct 12 15:45:13 <torak> What does it mean by Android Only??
Oct 12 15:45:50 <adq> torak, not sure, probably specific to android platform (mobile & tablet) but not chromebook or web stuff
Oct 12 15:46:09 <torak> adq: hmm interesting...
Oct 12 15:46:14 <adq> toast is not really that beautiful anymore
Oct 12 15:46:36 <adq> and indeed, you cannot really swipe them or associate actions like with snack
Oct 12 15:47:12 <torak> adq: yes. I am thinking to use toast instead of snackbars but sometimes they wont fit in and also waiting too much code. Toast can be just created one line of code.
Oct 12 15:47:26 <adq> snackbar too, it's very simple you will see
Oct 12 15:48:22 <torak> adq: its asking for coordinator layout and things.
Oct 12 15:48:23 <adq> torak, Snackbar.make(mRecyclerView, name  + " removed", Snackbar.LENGTH_SHORT).show()
Oct 12 15:48:37 <adq> not necessarily torak
Oct 12 15:48:39 <xximjasonxx> hey guys, has anyone ever seen an issue with pictures taken with Samsung phones rotate the photo intricially?
Oct 12 15:48:42 <xximjasonxx> *intriiscly
Oct 12 15:48:49 <feliwir> anyone did read my question?
Oct 12 15:48:53 <adq> he just need a parent view to be attached, usually it search from bottom to top from the view you gave in param to snack
Oct 12 15:49:09 <adq> to first find a coordinatorlayout, and if not found go even more above and will use the decor view orsomething
Oct 12 15:49:10 <xximjasonxx> not asking for help so much as trying to see if other with more experience have also seen it
Oct 12 15:49:27 <torak> adq: let me work on that. Thank you!
Oct 12 15:49:34 <adq> feliwir, yes but no idea
Oct 12 15:49:47 <g00s> https://adtmag.com/articles/2016/10/10/more-mobile-devs.aspx?platform=hootsuite
Oct 12 15:50:36 <g00s> "Now, at 12 million strong, mobile developers make up more than half of the world's entire coding community, numbered at about 21 million, Evans said. " holy ... shit
Oct 12 15:51:01 <g00s> like i said, commodity skill :(
Oct 12 15:52:20 <g00s> "Organizations increasingly find it difficult to be proactive against competitive pressures, which is resulting in their mobile apps becoming tactical, rather than strategic," this is perplexing
Oct 12 15:52:48 <g00s> i wonder if its because of the cost developing for 2 platforms, they just hold off
Oct 12 15:53:13 <adq> mobile app are like website decades ago
Oct 12 15:53:58 <adq> they all want one, even if there is no use for it, from the little barbershop to this big multinational company
Oct 12 15:57:00 <xximjasonxx> hence why it pays so well :-D
Oct 12 16:02:36 <feliwir> https://cmake.org/cmake/help/v3.5/manual/cmake-toolchains.7.html
Oct 12 16:02:44 <feliwir> ah nvm wrong channel
Oct 12 16:35:03 <JonathanEyre> I'm trying to use XWalkView to view Google pages,and it's working for the most part. However, when I click on a Google Drive file in the web view, it tries to run a separate browser intent. This intent gets called without going through onCreateWindowRequested or shouldOverrideUrlLoading.
Oct 12 16:35:34 <JonathanEyre> Is there anyway to trap this intent and either open another instance of my class, or simply running a loadURL on it?
Oct 12 16:41:13 <winegoddess> good morning all
Oct 12 16:45:48 <Tools> o/ Is there a way to get 180 degree rotation working on N? build.prop adding windowsmgr.support_rotation_270=true; (or 180) does not work..
Oct 12 16:46:20 <Tools> Oh, only just properly read the topic.. I'll try the root channel.. :P
Oct 12 16:46:42 <Melatonina> winegoddess: Hi! It's evening here. We are a community spread world-wide.
Oct 12 16:46:49 <Faizan> Has anybody ever encountered this error on opencv4android: http://pastebin.com/18fZGB0f
Oct 12 16:46:50 <aruns> Hi.
Oct 12 16:46:55 <aruns> Trying to get my Kindle Fire emulator on Android Virtual Device Manager to run.
Oct 12 16:46:59 <aruns> But getting the following error
Oct 12 16:47:03 <aruns> http://pasteboard.co/e8qoJNwTp.png
Oct 12 16:47:58 <winegoddess> Melatonina understood. Im a long time IRC user, and am used to people greeting in their own time zone. However....  "good <your time zone>" :)
Oct 12 16:48:36 <Faizan> i thought there was only one timezone in the world
Oct 12 16:49:23 <JonathanEyre> It doesn't even hit shouldInterceptLoadRequest, it just fires the Intent, apparently directly. Although I don't know how it could do that from a web view without some sort of permission from my app.
Oct 12 16:51:22 <adq> it's always the morning on irc
Oct 12 16:51:55 <Melatonina> then why do people are always asleep when I need help?
Oct 12 16:51:59 <Melatonina> :D
Oct 12 16:52:46 <Melatonina> Whooot!
Oct 12 16:53:29 <Melatonina> I managed to make my Android talk to my web API with AUTHENTICATION!!!! !!! !! !!!! !
Oct 12 16:54:09 <Melatonina> Where are the applauses?
Oct 12 16:54:52 <Melatonina> winegoddess: how is your application for kids going?
Oct 12 16:56:29 <winegoddess> Melatonina Congrats on your authentication! My app is still in progress. (not enough hours in the day)  :)  Hopefully i will have it before my son is too old to care.
Oct 12 16:56:34 <winegoddess> adq :)
Oct 12 16:58:03 <Melatonina> winegoddess: then make a dating app or a tax management app to be sure
Oct 12 17:14:39 <soulisson> Hi, is it false to say "intents" are objects exchanged between application components?
Oct 12 17:16:05 <s73v3r> yes and no
Oct 12 17:16:25 <Melatonina> no and yes
Oct 12 17:16:45 <soulisson> s73v3r, Melatonina, ok, can you explain why?
Oct 12 17:16:56 <Melatonina> soulisson: is this a question for homework?
Oct 12 17:17:14 <soulisson> Melatonina: no, I'm a beginner but this is not homework
Oct 12 17:17:50 <s73v3r> it’s an object in that it’s a java object. it’s not an object in the sense that you’d normally think of passing objects between classes
Oct 12 17:18:34 <Melatonina> soulisson: they are not exchanged between all application components. They are used to start a new activity, pick exactly what activity to start and to pass information to that activity
Oct 12 17:19:20 <Melatonina> soulisson: the target activity has a copy of the intent but I think it's a de-serialized copy and not a reference to the original intent
Oct 12 17:20:23 <pfn> intents are just messages passed between android managed objects, and are designed to produce an action
Oct 12 17:20:57 <Melatonina> soulisson: I say so because the data that you pass to the activity is transferred via inter-process communication channels and must be serializable (at least in a light way, it must be Parcellable)
Oct 12 17:21:39 <Melatonina> soulisson: the activity that is started could be in fact part of another application, running in another process. Think when you use an intent to open a web page in browser or to take a picture
Oct 12 17:22:07 <soulisson> Melatonina: ok, the system creates a copy of the intent in the target Process, is that right?
Oct 12 17:22:34 <Melatonina> soulisson: I really think so. The intent is copied anyway. People more expert than me can tell you more details
Oct 12 17:23:00 <soulisson> Melatonina: thanks very much, this is enough details for me
Oct 12 17:23:10 <soulisson> Thanks for the help everyone
Oct 12 17:23:25 <Melatonina> soulisson: you are welcome
Oct 12 17:24:15 <adq> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html
Oct 12 17:25:36 <soulisson> adq: thank you
Oct 12 17:26:48 <adq> np, always reach the doc, this sentence is pertinent: "It is basically a passive data structure holding an abstract description of an action to be performed."
Oct 12 17:27:28 <feliwir> someone has tested cmake 3.7 that has support for android?
Oct 12 17:28:35 <s73v3r> nope. you can be the first
Oct 12 17:32:09 <feliwir> hm i get a weird bug
Oct 12 17:32:25 <feliwir> No CMAKE_C_COMPILER could be found. (Using Nsight Tegra for Visual Studio)
Oct 12 17:35:57 <g00s> didn't one of the newer gradle plugins introduce some new experimental caching ...
Oct 12 17:36:03 <g00s> can't find it in the release notes
Oct 12 17:36:10 <g00s> thought their was some DSL to enable it
Oct 12 17:37:49 <g00s> ah http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/build-cache
Oct 12 17:39:30 <adq> using it since more than a week, no issue with it
Oct 12 17:39:50 <adq> but i don't see any significant perf improvement, though i did not bench/measure
Oct 12 17:43:57 * azv4 wonders if there is a way to start an app when an Android TV device boots up
Oct 12 18:16:23 <raj> how do I set my device as a storage type with adb so I can transfer files off it?
Oct 12 18:16:36 <raj> I see the device in adb, but win10 doesn't show it as a possible drive
Oct 12 18:16:48 <raj> nm
Oct 12 18:16:49 <raj> found it
Oct 12 18:40:35 <Faizan> Why does onPreviewFrame() stop getting called when MediaRecorder has started?
Oct 12 18:47:46 <bitkiller_> g00s, have to use the 'experimental' plugin, no?
Oct 12 18:48:09 <bitkiller_> i tried once, but i couldn't get it to work
Oct 12 19:12:19 <thepoosh> g00s: is here?!
Oct 12 19:17:37 <KukOrkan> anyone here have experience with retrofit?
Oct 12 19:19:58 <thepoosh> KukOrkan: do you have a question?
Oct 12 19:20:36 <KukOrkan> yes
Oct 12 19:20:58 <KukOrkan> im trying to retrieve a json object which contains a list of other objects, i can only seem to get the root
Oct 12 19:21:02 <KukOrkan> i can show code, sec
Oct 12 19:21:25 <KukOrkan> https://gist.github.com/jtrollkarl/38aea21870ea241dec9c383f7f64056c
Oct 12 19:21:56 <KukOrkan> it crashes in refreshresponse.java, this line: resultsList.get(0).getOriginalLanguage();
Oct 12 19:23:19 <thepoosh> KukOrkan: are you sure that the list isn't empty
Oct 12 19:23:45 <KukOrkan> yes, theres a list when i test it in post
Oct 12 19:23:53 <KukOrkan> postman*
Oct 12 19:25:48 <SimonVT> Check the response in your app, e.g. with OkHttp and a HttpLoggingInterceptor
Oct 12 19:45:45 <KukOrkan> i set up an interceptor and okhttp client, logs show exactly what my browser does
Oct 12 20:01:17 <SimonVT> Maybe your model is wrong
Oct 12 20:04:15 <feliwir> noone has used cmake 3.7 yet that added android cross compile?
Oct 12 20:11:59 <TylerGets> Anyone here familiar with mediatek nvram issues? My company has 50+ of these tablets and we need to reset them
Oct 12 20:12:16 <TylerGets> Old school stuff I know but we still use em lol
Oct 12 20:12:31 <SimonVT> That sounds like a question for #android
Oct 12 20:14:57 <Melatonina> TylerGets: wrong channel lol
Oct 12 20:14:58 <dean-brown> Hey i'm having a problem trying to remove an imageview from a row in a recyclerviewer. Can anyone tell me where i'm going wrong: http://pastebin.com/RM9m47i7
Oct 12 20:16:22 <dean-brown> The way i am doing it, it's removing all the imageviews from each of the rows in the recycler viewer
Oct 12 20:16:45 <SimonVT> You never show the ImageView again
Oct 12 20:16:56 <SimonVT> Also, don't notifyDataSerChanged
Oct 12 20:18:52 <TylerGets> Melatonina thanks I see the topic, my bad.
Oct 12 20:21:44 <dean-brown> SimonVT: Thanks man that worked perfectly. I feel silly for missing that haha
Oct 12 20:30:05 <missingno> yo why does bottomsheetdialog use peek height
Oct 12 20:30:13 <missingno> it's a modal there is no point in peeking
Oct 12 20:31:05 <Melatonina> I think I will be a bad Android programmer
Oct 12 20:31:19 <Melatonina> I don't like using application on my smartphone!
Oct 12 20:31:26 <Melatonina> applications
Oct 12 20:31:40 <s73v3r> yeah, if you don’t like doing that, then you will struggle
Oct 12 20:32:01 <Melatonina> I was looking for an application for recording a food diary
Oct 12 20:32:17 <s73v3r> using other apps is how you find out what the new trends in app design are, and how you get inspiration for how to do things in your apps
Oct 12 20:32:18 <Melatonina> I felt they were all bloated and overcomplicated
Oct 12 20:32:34 <Melatonina> and decided to stick to my pencil and paper method
Oct 12 20:33:07 <s73v3r> so articulate why you felt that way, and come up with solutions for thast
Oct 12 20:34:24 <Melatonina> too much stuff to type. I just look at the nutrition value label on the package of what I eat, multiply the caloric intake for the amount I ate and write on paper
Oct 12 20:34:50 <Melatonina> in those apps you have to spend time looking for the food you ate
Oct 12 20:35:39 <Melatonina> and I don't even like touching the smartphone
Oct 12 20:36:08 <Melatonina> I thought: "This is what people will think of my app, that is bloated and too much complicated to use"
Oct 12 20:36:48 <Ashiren> then make simple app
Oct 12 20:37:02 <Melatonina> I'll try
Oct 12 20:37:05 <Ashiren> i.e. using camera for food labels :v
Oct 12 20:37:47 <Melatonina> Thanks for the support guys
Oct 12 20:38:47 <s73v3r> the people who think that apps are generally bloated are the people who tend not to use apps. So they’re not really users to target
Oct 12 20:38:54 <s73v3r> as they won’t want to use the app anyway
Oct 12 20:40:33 <Melatonina> The reality is that I myself think that smartphones are a temporary and immature technology
Oct 12 20:40:53 <s73v3r> then you’re really probably in the wrong industry
Oct 12 20:41:01 <Melatonina> Yeah
Oct 12 20:44:15 <derrek> anyone here familiar with CodeAurora and knows how to choose the right branch? https://source.codeaurora.org/quic/la/kernel/lk/  <- master branch is really outdated...
Oct 12 20:48:16 <Faizan> Does anybody know how I can get the current frame number whilst recording?
Oct 12 20:53:14 <Melatonina> Faizan: approximate or exact?
Oct 12 20:53:32 <Faizan> uhm
Oct 12 20:53:42 <Faizan> exact I guess
Oct 12 20:53:47 <Faizan> unless approximate is easier
Oct 12 20:53:55 <Faizan> which I guess it would be
Oct 12 20:54:01 <Melatonina> approximate it's much easier
Oct 12 20:54:04 <Melatonina> obviously
Oct 12 20:54:25 <Faizan> How would you approximate it?
Oct 12 20:54:30 <Melatonina> just take the frame rate and multiply it for the time elapsed from the beginning of the recording
Oct 12 20:54:31 <pfn> framerate * time
Oct 12 20:54:40 <Faizan> ah of course
Oct 12 20:54:48 <Faizan> that's probably a bit too inaccurate lol
Oct 12 20:55:03 <Faizan> how would you calculate it exactly?
Oct 12 20:55:04 <Melatonina> Faizan: did you try only 1 library for recording or several?
Oct 12 20:55:06 <Faizan> or as close as possible?
Oct 12 20:55:13 <Faizan> i've tried mediacodec as well
Oct 12 20:55:20 <Faizan> so two
Oct 12 20:55:25 <Mavrik> Faizan, well media codec gives you each frame with timestamp :)
Oct 12 20:55:36 <Mavrik> So accurate counting isn't hard :)
Oct 12 20:55:36 <Melatonina> you need on that has a per frame callback
Oct 12 20:55:39 <Melatonina> one
Oct 12 20:56:04 <Faizan> i've been trying to use onPreviewFrame() for MediaRecorder
Oct 12 20:56:06 <Melatonina> can I ask you what do you need this information for?
Oct 12 20:56:18 <Faizan> and I have no clue what I'm doing wrong - it stops reporting when I record
Oct 12 20:56:23 <Faizan> okay sure
Oct 12 20:57:08 <Faizan> it's an object tracking application, I record on my device, and I tap every few seconds on the object. Whenever I tap, I store the x and y coordinates as well as a timestamp in a YML file and can enter it into a windows application that a friend of mine has created
Oct 12 20:57:23 <Faizan> however, just timestamp alone is not accurate enough
Oct 12 20:59:30 <Melatonina> I see.
Oct 12 20:59:43 <Melatonina> Is the library that you are using open source?
Oct 12 21:00:00 <Faizan> for the windows application?
Oct 12 21:00:11 <Melatonina> no, the one you are using for recording on Android
Oct 12 21:00:22 <Faizan> MediaRecorder - it's a core android class
Oct 12 21:00:26 <Faizan> so yeah open source
Oct 12 21:00:52 <Melatonina> maybe you have to do it. Look inside the source and check why the callback is not called when you most need it
Oct 12 21:01:13 <Melatonina> It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. And that "someone" is you.
Oct 12 21:01:27 <Faizan> Okay I could dig into the source code
Oct 12 21:01:41 <Faizan> I'm currently looking into OpenCV's callback as well
Oct 12 21:01:47 <Faizan> as I will be using OpenCV later on for this app
Oct 12 21:05:24 <Melatonina> Is OpenCV able to understand the posture of a human body?
Oct 12 21:11:04 <winegoddess> I created a empty template project and setup an virtual device that matches my tablet. the minsdk is set to 16 to match my tablet. i run and am getting error messages in the log that classes coudl not be found. Such as  'android.graphics.drawable.RippleDrawable'.  I thought that the support libraries woudl handle this?
Oct 12 21:13:08 <s73v3r> you’re not using support classes, though
Oct 12 21:13:24 <s73v3r> if you were, you’d have something like android.support.v4...
Oct 12 21:18:11 <winegoddess> hi s73v3r well, the empty template does use AppCompatActivity, and v7 is listed.
Oct 12 21:18:30 <winegoddess> i stopped and restarted and now do not get the errors
Oct 12 21:18:31 <s73v3r> yes, but look at the classpath you listed
Oct 12 21:19:32 <winegoddess> s73v3r - i havent made any changes to the template form empty activity. im ot sure why it is referring tho those classes.
Oct 12 21:20:08 <s73v3r> i don’t either, but the point is that class is not in the compat library. not everything is
Oct 12 21:21:03 <s73v3r> and for many things in the compat library, there are two versions: a compat version, and a version that’s included in the SDK
Oct 12 21:21:15 <s73v3r> although, not every version of the SDK
Oct 12 21:21:19 <winegoddess> good point s73v3r . i really dont know why it would be referring to that.
Oct 12 21:21:32 <winegoddess> but stop and restart and its gone
Oct 12 22:04:13 <capella-5x> Is there jailtime for breaking Moore’s law? 🤔 http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2016/10/06/smallest-transistor-1-nm-gate/
Oct 12 22:15:02 <Melatonina> capella-5x: that achievement gives a longer life to Moore's law instead of breaking it, actually.
Oct 12 22:16:02 <capella-5x> well yes
Oct 12 22:16:23 <capella-5x> but if we'd failed.....
Oct 12 22:17:03 <capella-5x> 💀?
Oct 12 22:17:15 <capella-5x> heh
Oct 12 22:18:20 <capella-5x> but that is some serious tech... transistor enabled by nanotubes
Oct 12 22:18:20 <bankai_> capella-5x: what client do you use? i'm assuming you do smilies, or something, a lot. Always seeing boxes in your text
Oct 12 22:18:51 <capella-5x> oh, yaaic supports unicode
Oct 12 22:19:07 <capella-5x> pfn has a client iirc
Oct 12 22:19:25 <pfn> yes, qicr supports emoji as well
Oct 12 22:21:40 <Melatonina> xchat displayes them too. I'm using HexChat actually
Oct 12 22:21:50 <Melatonina> displays
Oct 12 22:33:28 <Melatonina> orbyt_: hi
Oct 12 22:33:40 <orbyt_> o/
Oct 12 22:41:54 <xximjasonxx> hey all
Oct 12 22:42:21 <xximjasonxx> so, I am kind of confused by some behavior i am seeing with COntactsProvider
Oct 12 22:42:58 <xximjasonxx> we are seeing Contacts, but we just added a brand new contact to the device and it doesnt seem to show up when I query the data uri
Oct 12 22:44:14 <tx> Hey guys, I ask the user for location permissions when the app loads. On Samsung devices (I guess others?) I get a 'screen overlay detected' warning
Oct 12 22:44:16 <xximjasonxx> basically, it appears the contact is in the Contacts uri but not the data
Oct 12 22:44:16 <xximjasonxx> how can this be>
Oct 12 22:44:23 <tx> and the users don't see the dialog come up for runtime perms.
Oct 12 22:44:28 <tx> any way to get around this?
Oct 12 22:51:07 <Melatonina> xximjasonxx: hello
Oct 12 22:51:55 <xximjasonxx> hey Melatonina
Oct 12 23:00:47 <pfn> hmm, how do I implement the alphabetical headings a la the contacts app?
Oct 12 23:09:06 <pfn> I guess I'll just google up pinnedheaders
Oct 12 23:13:37 <s73v3r> there’s a number of libraries that do it. I’m sure perusing one or two of those will show you how it’s done
Oct 12 23:20:57 <Dagmar> WEll, this definitely reeks of a bug.  DialogFragment is somehow spawning more fragments to the stack on orientation change
Oct 12 23:27:51 <Dagmar> Grr... setRetainInstance or not, onCreate() is definitely being called for the dialogfragment during orientation change
Oct 12 23:31:52 <fvpinheiro> can anyone help me with parcelable stuff? I can't find the bug :x
Oct 12 23:32:40 <sqed> i've been downloading android 5.1.1 source with repo, and it has used over 30 gigs so far. what is the total size?
Oct 12 23:33:48 <s73v3r> fvpinheiro: use a library or annotation processor to do it. it’s too easy to get bugs otherwise
Oct 12 23:34:44 <fvpinheiro> s73v3r, I'm writing a List<String>
Oct 12 23:34:54 <fvpinheiro> but when I read its null -.-
Oct 12 23:35:28 <s73v3r> you’re gonna have to show cde
Oct 12 23:35:30 <s73v3r> code
Oct 12 23:36:10 <TacticalJoke> Dagmar: Isn't it normal for Fragment.onCreate to be called when the screen orientation changes (at least when the Fragment isn't being retained)?
Oct 12 23:36:26 <TacticalJoke> It's been a long time since I've used Fragments (have those things).
Oct 12 23:37:37 <s73v3r> have you made sure that there is something in the list before writing it?
Oct 12 23:37:57 <TacticalJoke> s/have/hate/
Oct 12 23:37:58 <s73v3r> or have you checked that you’re not throwing an exception?
Oct 12 23:39:02 <pfn> meh, looks like doing sticky headers is a pain
Oct 12 23:39:19 <s73v3r> usually is. but the kiddos love em
Oct 12 23:40:31 <TacticalJoke> Still no release notes for Gradle plugin 2.2.1: https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/gradle-plugin.html
Oct 12 23:42:17 <g00s> TacticalJoke https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/574l2m/moto_and_updates_more_planned_obsolesce_from/
Oct 12 23:43:48 <g00s> well, the Pixel does make it easy for me to suggest an android phone (assuming its in budget)
Oct 12 23:44:14 <Faizan> Any opencv users here?
Oct 12 23:44:16 <TacticalJoke> "Moto E3 is also not going to get Nougat." < Wait, what.
Oct 12 23:44:23 <TacticalJoke> The E3 just came out.
Oct 12 23:44:29 <Faizan> isn't the pixel like �500?
Oct 12 23:44:36 <Faizan> whatever that is in your guys currencies
Oct 12 23:44:43 <Faizan> definitely not a budget phone
Oct 12 23:44:59 <g00s> would like to see Google do something like 'Pixel One'
Oct 12 23:45:04 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, the Pixel is mucho dinero.
Oct 12 23:45:08 <g00s> (lame name, but Android one)
Oct 12 23:45:21 <Faizan> what is this pixel name anyway
Oct 12 23:45:32 <Faizan> even the high spec chromebook is called chromeboox pixel
Oct 12 23:45:33 <g00s> of course if they did that, there would be no profit room for any other oems left :P
Oct 12 23:45:38 <TacticalJoke> Pixel is the name of the dead things on my old laptop screen.
Oct 12 23:45:43 <Faizan> it doesn't exactly express flashyness
Oct 12 23:45:45 <Faizan> or whatever
Oct 12 23:46:08 <TacticalJoke> I seriously think they should nuke Android and start over.  (For certain definitions of 'should'.)
Oct 12 23:46:28 <Faizan> Anyhow yeah, any opencv users?
Oct 12 23:46:36 <Faizan> #opencv is so dead all day/night
Oct 12 23:47:38 <TacticalJoke> Faizan: FWIW, questions like that rarely get answers, partly because anyone who says "yes" is volunteering to answer any question you might ask -- or be humiliated as noob who knows nothing.
Oct 12 23:47:53 <Faizan> That's actually very true :D
Oct 12 23:47:57 <TacticalJoke> Though I have no idea whether OpenCV is on-topic.  :S
Oct 12 23:48:15 <Faizan> Well if we talk about opencv4android then surely it is :)
Oct 12 23:49:42 <g00s> ugh, the ghostbusters remake was the worst :(
Oct 12 23:50:51 <TacticalJoke> I haven't seen it.  I've read all the politics on Reddit, though.
Oct 12 23:51:13 <g00s> TacticalJoke lol, is there a channel for uk politics? /r/politics is US ...
Oct 12 23:51:25 <g00s> and its *crazy*
Oct 12 23:51:39 <TacticalJoke> There's /r/unitedkingdom and stuff.  But I find it all boring, personally.
Oct 12 23:51:39 <s73v3r> there’s world politics
Oct 12 23:51:47 <s73v3r> err, globalpolitics
Oct 12 23:52:26 <s73v3r> but I thought TacticalJoke was referring to the politics of the ghostbusters remake, and all the people saying it killed their childhood
Oct 12 23:52:43 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Oct 12 23:52:53 <g00s> lol i didn't notice any politics in the remake, except the female cast ...
Oct 12 23:53:01 <g00s> and the one guy was dumb as shit
Oct 12 23:53:17 <s73v3r> no, like the twitter shit and the alt-right people dumping on it
Oct 12 23:53:24 <TacticalJoke> People on Reddit were saying it was a "We don't need no stinkin' men" kinda thing.
Oct 12 23:53:53 <g00s> mckinnon did great, but didn't find the movie funny
Oct 12 23:53:55 <s73v3r> i remember a similar meme went around when the last Star Wars movie came out
Oct 12 23:54:45 <g00s> Kate McKinnon does great Hillary shtick too
Oct 12 23:55:10 <TacticalJoke> g00s: Any update on Giant Meteor 2016?
Oct 12 23:55:23 <g00s> TacticalJoke its coming :D
Oct 12 23:55:25 <s73v3r> Trump’s more or less melted down
Oct 12 23:55:30 <TacticalJoke> g00s: I hope so.
Oct 12 23:55:54 <g00s> lol , kinda backfired when trump said 'bill was more than words' and then all the women he groped came out
Oct 12 23:56:07 <TacticalJoke> Is there a way to make a meteor hit the planet? I think it'd solve a few problems.
Oct 12 23:56:14 <g00s> groper in chief
Oct 12 23:57:08 <g00s> TacticalJoke but one thing i'm worried about, is if the meteor hits us just the wrong way, causing downstream transpermia .. probably a disaster for the whole universe
Oct 12 23:57:26 <g00s> everything needs to go :)
Oct 12 23:57:30 <TacticalJoke> haha
Oct 12 23:57:38 <TacticalJoke> That would be tragic.
Oct 12 23:57:54 <s73v3r> anyone read the reddit story about the Russian guy who says Facebook terminated his account with $160k in it?
Oct 12 23:58:09 <g00s> s73v3r there was a post the guy was a scammer
Oct 12 23:58:58 <TacticalJoke> https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/570gco/facebook_stole_my_160000_for_those_who_use/d8olom5
Oct 12 23:59:00 <s73v3r> it did scream like all the other “my app got taken down!” posts
Oct 12 23:59:04 <TacticalJoke> "His app violates copyright laws and a bunch of other Google Play policies."
Oct 12 23:59:28 <TacticalJoke> Dunno whether it's true, but it's probably what g00s is referring to.
Oct 13 00:01:02 <g00s> TacticalJoke i guess the next best thing is Vogons get paperwork done for that hyper galactic bypass
Oct 13 00:01:56 <sqed> anyone know how big AOSP is?
Oct 13 00:02:23 <Melatonina> sqed: in what dimension?
Oct 13 00:03:37 <sqed> melatonia: heh. How much larger than 30 gigs is the 5.1.1 branch though?
Oct 13 00:03:51 <TacticalJoke> Am I the only one weirded out that Jake Wharton has left this channel?  I feel like one of our priests has joined a competing church, or something.
Oct 13 00:04:13 <s73v3r> did you see him join the iphonedev channel?
Oct 13 00:04:16 <Melatonina> TacticalJoke: did he join another channel/church?
Oct 13 00:04:28 <g00s> lol is he on iphonedev ?
Oct 13 00:04:31 <s73v3r> or, worse yet, swift-lang?
Oct 13 00:04:42 <TacticalJoke> Oh, not sure.  Maybe "became an atheist" is a better analogue.
Oct 13 00:04:57 <g00s> he seems to be really deep in the java ecosystem
Oct 13 00:05:03 <TacticalJoke> s/became/become/
Oct 13 00:05:29 <Melatonina> Maybe he's got a demanding fiancée and has no more time to be here
Oct 13 00:05:35 <s73v3r> he wants to use ValueTypes as soon as they become a thing, and he knows that ain’t happening on android
Oct 13 00:06:18 <Melatonina> I never read him here since I joined this channel anyway
Oct 13 00:06:31 <TacticalJoke> How long ago did you join?
Oct 13 00:06:46 <Melatonina> 2 months
Oct 13 00:06:49 <TacticalJoke> I've been here for about three years, and he's been active basically the whole time.
Oct 13 00:06:53 <TacticalJoke> Apart from lately.
Oct 13 00:07:23 <Melatonina> I know him because he has his name on some library on github
Oct 13 00:07:49 <Melatonina> Maybe he quit the channel because I joined it
Oct 13 00:08:00 <Melatonina> It's my fault
Oct 13 00:08:01 <TacticalJoke> Plot twist: Melatonina is Jake Wharton.
Oct 13 00:08:28 <Melatonina> It would be a great job to fake my incompetence about Android
Oct 13 00:09:23 <g00s> how are the android slack channels doing ?
Oct 13 00:10:20 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, never been to the Android one.  Yeah, maybe he's gone there.
Oct 13 00:10:23 <Melatonina> Tomorrow I'll write an email to Jake Wharton and ask if he left the channel because of me. I'll tell him you miss him much. Ok guys? Now I need some sleep.
Oct 13 00:10:39 <TacticalJoke> I notice that Cedric Beust doesn't say much in here now, either.
Oct 13 00:11:14 <bitkiller__> non practicing
Oct 13 00:11:18 <TacticalJoke> Melatonina: Tell him that if he doesn't return we will find a replacement Jake Wharton.
Oct 13 00:11:25 <Melatonina> Ok
Oct 13 00:11:33 <Melatonina> I'll do it. I'm not joking
Oct 13 00:13:09 <g00s> TacticalJoke i see we're only at 334 users, so things are slowing down
Oct 13 00:13:36 <Melatonina> It's a sign that the Android platform is in decline
Oct 13 00:13:43 <g00s> this is cool https://firebase.googleblog.com/2016/10/better-user-targeting-with-firebase.html
Oct 13 00:13:45 <TacticalJoke> What were the numbers like before?
Oct 13 00:14:59 <TacticalJoke> The fact that Mercurial seems to be slowly dying makes me sad.
Oct 13 00:15:29 <TacticalJoke> I guess it's a reminder of the rapid passage of time.  And of the temporary nature of things.
Oct 13 00:15:40 <Melatonina> I attempted to use the Firebase database but it's not appropriate for my application. At least I could not find a convenient way to use it. One that does not involve an high degree of de-normalization
Oct 13 00:16:32 <TacticalJoke> What is your app?
Oct 13 00:19:43 <g00s> https://raptureinvenice.com/its-been-real-android-why-im-retiring-from-android/
Oct 13 00:21:34 <TacticalJoke> g00s: I swear I have read this before.  Serious déjà vu feeling from this.
Oct 13 00:21:40 <TacticalJoke> Like, years ago.
Oct 13 00:23:37 <pfn> this is a good thing
Oct 13 00:23:42 <pfn> less supply
Oct 13 00:23:44 <pfn> more demand
Oct 13 00:23:45 <TacticalJoke> Maybe it's just the same complaints from another abandoner.
Oct 13 00:23:47 <pfn> more cash in them pockets
Oct 13 00:26:47 <g00s> i saw the guy was from possible mobile and thought maybe it was dave smith
Oct 13 00:27:23 <pfn> who
Oct 13 00:28:17 <pfn> he complains about "asynctask" in that article
Oct 13 00:28:20 <pfn> uh... ok
Oct 13 00:28:34 <g00s> Dave Smith, sharp guy. wrote an android book.
Oct 13 00:28:36 <pfn> yes, it's a piece of shit api, but there are other, better options
Oct 13 00:29:25 <g00s> didn't romainguy make asynctask ? :P
Oct 13 00:31:30 <pfn> dunno, doesn't make it less of a piece of shit
Oct 13 00:32:25 <pfn> it served its purpose at the time
Oct 13 00:32:34 <pfn> an "easy" way to do shit in the background
Oct 13 00:32:46 <pfn> and for the most part, it's fine, people are too obsessed about the transient memory leak that can occur
Oct 13 00:43:49 <TacticalJoke> Those memory leaks have nothing to do with AsyncTask.  It's possible to use AsyncTask in such a way that there is no memory leak (the Activity/whatever clears the AsyncTask's reference in onDestroy and resets it in onCreate).
Oct 13 00:44:08 <TacticalJoke> The problem is this notion that it's a good idea to use an AsyncTask as a non-static nested class of an Activity.
Oct 13 00:45:28 <TacticalJoke> If not for AsyncTask, noobs would be using Thread in exactly the same way (leaking the Activity and Views via the implicit parent-class reference as the thread runs and outlives the Activity).
Oct 13 00:54:50 <TacticalJoke> I think it's all a minefield for newbies.  Even the implicit-parent-class-reference thing.  I'm not sure how a beginner is expected to come to know about that.  From what I've seen, Java-language tutorials don't tend to mention it (because, outside of Android, it's probably not something to worry about in general).
Oct 13 00:55:35 <TacticalJoke> It makes sense when an experienced programmer thinks about it, but I don't think a newbie would even consider it.
Oct 13 00:59:51 <jjuran> It's difficult to spot the links on that page.
Oct 13 01:00:37 <TacticalJoke> On which page?
Oct 13 01:23:11 <sqed> so i am syncing with repo, i set the branch with repo init -u manifest_url -b branch, and it is downloading well over 50 gigs so far. Is this correct?
Oct 13 01:23:31 <jjuran> TacticalJoke: This one: https://raptureinvenice.com/its-been-real-android-why-im-retiring-from-android/
Oct 13 01:24:05 <sqed> never mind, just finished. 50 gigs is a big download.
Oct 13 01:25:50 <zinx> TacticalJoke: circular references and such are actually pretty important for all of Java, but most places don't bother mentioning it all, and assume GC is completely magic.   Because if you're using Java, you probably don't care if you have a huge memory leak.
Oct 13 01:28:01 <TacticalJoke> zinx: This isn't about circular references; it's about a thread out-lasting an Activity.
Oct 13 01:28:16 <capella-5x> sqed Firefox OS took around the same for its repo... "big" is what I thought then also ☺️
Oct 13 01:28:37 <TacticalJoke> An inner class references its parent.
Oct 13 01:29:00 <capella-5x> sucked up a lot of SDD
Oct 13 01:29:20 <TacticalJoke> If the parent is an Activity and the inner class is something like a Thread, there can be a memory leak (for whatever period of time).
Oct 13 01:30:47 <capella-5x> if it doesn't hold the ref... hoo-ha! kingFuDeatgGrip!
Oct 13 01:33:49 <TacticalJoke> I think the ultimate problem, though, is that Android is an absolute mess.  If our process isn't dead, we shouldn't have to worry about Activities being destroyed or created.  Activities should be simple things that just keep on going.
Oct 13 01:34:12 <sqed> capella-5x who would have thought the days of installing from floppy disks would lead to downloads of several gigabytes
Oct 13 01:34:19 <TacticalJoke> It's so easy to achieve stuff like adapting to new resources without taking the Activity down.
Oct 13 01:34:20 <sqed> for an os
Oct 13 01:34:45 <TacticalJoke> Even a new theme -- why does the Activity have to go down?  It's a mess from day one.
Oct 13 01:36:17 <TacticalJoke> By the way, I'm typing all this while dealing with two basic `launchMode` bugs which have existed for years.
Oct 13 01:37:05 <TacticalJoke> And of course all related issues in the issue tracker are 'Obsolete'.
Oct 13 01:37:16 <TacticalJoke> With dozens of people begging for a fix and being ignored.
Oct 13 01:37:41 <zinx> Welcome to Google.
Oct 13 01:38:35 <capella-5x> aqed I can't barely remember floppies... I certainly don't go back to tape... mag I mean, heh, er, no one alive did paper I mean, um, yah, that's the ticket
Oct 13 01:39:28 <capella-5x> sqed ---^
Oct 13 01:41:49 <TacticalJoke> I guess we can placate ourselves with the "It could be worse" fallacy and feel grateful we're not using JavaScript.
Oct 13 01:42:26 <zinx> capella-5x: my mother's not particularly old.  she programmed on punch cards when they were still new tech.
Oct 13 01:43:07 <freakyfidlers> that's legit programming
Oct 13 01:48:46 <capella-5x> hollerith cards zinx! ... heh, ask her if they were 80 column, or if her shop ever got the "new" 132 column version 😜
Oct 13 01:50:01 <capella-5x> I fought ECMAScript for a long time tacticaljoke
Oct 13 01:50:44 <capella-5x> dynamic compile JIT sounds too dangerous and/or slow
Oct 13 01:51:06 <TacticalJoke> Did ECMAScript win?
Oct 13 01:51:12 <capella-5x> but, it hooked me...
Oct 13 01:51:34 <capella-5x> yah, the optimization and overhead becomes trivial
Oct 13 01:52:05 <zinx> capella-5x: they were 80
Oct 13 01:52:15 <zinx> capella-5x: they didn't have a sorter for a while either
Oct 13 01:52:44 <capella-5x> oh dear, no sorters? how'd they collect data?
Oct 13 01:53:00 <zinx> capella-5x: they sorted them by hand if they accidentally dropped a stack
Oct 13 01:53:00 <TacticalJoke> Whoa, this is some wisdom: "singleTask Activities cannot have intent filters!"
Oct 13 01:53:13 <TacticalJoke> singleTask + intent filters = weird behaviour
Oct 13 01:53:23 <zinx> capella-5x: needless to say, they were all quite happy with getting the sorter :P
Oct 13 01:54:51 <capella-5x> oh dear, they'd have to have to been... what do they do when an overnight support person grabbed a card from the deck to sweep up with 😆
Oct 13 01:55:22 <capella-5x> heh, saved by the static compiler
Oct 13 01:55:39 <capella-5x> which hopefully barfs
Oct 13 01:56:03 <zinx> capella-5x: haha, no idea, hope that never happened :)   she did the programming / etc at a trade school, where they happened to also handle the report cards for all the schools in the county (using said equipment)
Oct 13 02:14:22 <dragorn> capella-5x, I can tell you that the 2.x linux kernels are about 38,000 punch cards :P
Oct 13 02:14:34 <dragorn> capella-5x, but I never had to actually punch it to real cards
Oct 13 02:16:51 <capella-5x> hahaha... that sounds reasonable for a kernel (?) ... cards were basically a single LOC
Oct 13 02:34:49 <Ologn> This LGE phone now connects with ADB yay
Oct 13 02:34:58 <Ologn> Set from MTP to PTP
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