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Oct 23 03:00:21 <TacticalJoke> The method is defined here: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support/+/master/design/src/android/support/design/widget/HeaderBehavior.java#223
Oct 23 03:05:36 <TacticalJoke> It must be the annotation.
Oct 23 03:17:41 <g00s> TacticalJoke so have you gotten into the rxjava stuff yet? the oreilly book is pretty good
Oct 23 03:18:35 <TacticalJoke> g00s: Nah, haven't used RxJava yet.
Oct 23 03:18:41 <TacticalJoke> Probably should look into it.
Oct 23 03:55:08 <boodllebat> I want to ask , if we choose target 19 while creating a project would that mean our app will be using old SDK not latest SDK ?
Oct 23 03:55:27 <boodllebat> i have SDK 25 installed so what should i choose as my target
Oct 23 03:55:43 <boodllebat> this question always bothers me even i have created few apps
Oct 23 04:01:11 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: `compileSdkVersion` determines which SDK version is used to build your app.
Oct 23 04:01:24 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure what you mean by 'target'.  That's ambiguous.
Oct 23 04:02:17 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: when creating a new project from command line we have to specify a flag -target <option> and i do -target android-19
Oct 23 04:29:50 <boodllebat> my android command line interface is generating projects with old gradle version and mavenCentral() as repo but it should be jcenter() event though i just runned an update
Oct 23 04:30:05 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: Just use Android Studio.
Oct 23 04:30:43 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: i want to use android-studio so bad but it lags on my system
Oct 23 04:31:09 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: i've been creating apps from command line since from start so i'm familier with it
Oct 23 04:31:43 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: but every time i have to edit build.gradle and wrapper manually it just kills me
Oct 23 04:32:01 <CedricBeust> probably kills some of your hard drive too
Oct 23 04:34:04 <boodllebat> CedricBeust: i dont get it , how does it kills my hard-drive ?
Oct 23 04:35:08 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: Planned obsolescence.  Google and other big companies don't want you using the same hardware for *too* long.
Oct 23 04:35:45 <TacticalJoke> Or Gradle is just a mess.
Oct 23 04:36:21 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: no gradle is good but android command line interface generates poor build.gradle and wrappers when i change them manually it works fine
Oct 23 04:36:43 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: The ultimate solution is to get a new computer.
Oct 23 04:36:55 <TacticalJoke> Go for at least 8GB RAM.
Oct 23 04:37:06 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: but why would they do 'Planned obsolescence' , i thought google loves us
Oct 23 04:37:08 <TacticalJoke> What are your current specs?
Oct 23 04:37:12 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: I was kidding.
Oct 23 04:37:24 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: 3 gb
Oct 23 04:37:27 <TacticalJoke> The real reason is that Gradle is a mess.
Oct 23 04:37:42 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: it was 2 gb i added 1 GB card so now 3 gb
Oct 23 04:38:26 <TacticalJoke> Add 5GB?  :D
Oct 23 04:38:38 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: what did CedricBeust meant by saying 'kills hard-drive' ?
Oct 23 04:38:46 <TacticalJoke> I think he hates Gradle.
Oct 23 04:39:03 <TacticalJoke> Gradle uses the hard drive a lot.
Oct 23 04:39:50 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: i loved Ant but i had to switch to maven then to gradle cause people were abusing me a lot for using Ant
Oct 23 04:40:38 <CedricBeust> "hates" is a strong word
Oct 23 04:40:46 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: Somebody really should create a loosly-coupled / lightweight  alternative for android-studio
Oct 23 04:41:31 <CedricBeust> Your colleagues did you a favor by forcing you away from ant
Oct 23 04:41:37 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: Did they call you an Ant-agonist?
Oct 23 04:42:19 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: no they were saying really bad words swearing and all
Oct 23 04:42:41 <CedricBeust> Rightly so
Oct 23 04:42:42 <TacticalJoke> Was it in this channel?
Oct 23 04:42:52 <TacticalJoke> I notice we have a no-swearing rule now.  :D
Oct 23 04:43:17 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: no not in channel but yeah in channel too lot of people motivated me to switch to gradle
Oct 23 04:43:26 <NortelDMS> hey dummies!!!
Oct 23 04:43:29 <CedricBeust> You can always say f* and s*, though
Oct 23 04:43:31 <CedricBeust> f* ant
Oct 23 04:43:50 <NortelDMS> i am a recruiter for isis, anyone want to join?
Oct 23 04:44:04 <CedricBeust> NortelDMS: Your next line better be on topic
Oct 23 04:45:33 <NortelDMS> hey cedric!
Oct 23 04:45:48 <boodllebat> CedricBeust: i really want to know what did you meant by 'kills hard drive' does gradle have a poor caching mechanism ?
Oct 23 04:46:03 <CedricBeust> boodllebat: I was just being a bit harsh on Gradle
Oct 23 04:46:40 <boodllebat> CedricBeust: ah cause i just checked my /home/.gradle/ and man it caches lot of things
Oct 23 04:47:09 <CedricBeust> The caching is necessary and reasonable
Oct 23 04:47:21 <boodllebat> CedricBeust: but not for old packages
Oct 23 04:47:28 <CedricBeust> My beef with Gradle is actually in other areas than caching so just ignore my barb
Oct 23 04:48:02 <boodllebat> CedricBeust: i have to keep my eye on .gradle cause i'm also low on hard-drive  , i should probably buy a new system
Oct 23 04:48:28 <CedricBeust> Or just wipe your `~/.gradle` once in a while, so  yes, this directory is really not an issue
Oct 23 04:49:11 <NortelDMS> i like mcgriddles
Oct 23 04:55:08 <NortelDMS> hey Timmy
Oct 23 05:27:43 <g00s> boodllebat yeah, engineers at google, etc probably get pretty insane HW regularly - a perk - but the problem is they don't realize how poorly their tools work on machines for mere mortals
Oct 23 05:28:13 <g00s> instant run is now taking longer than a full compile ... how can that be
Oct 23 05:28:16 <g00s> lol
Oct 23 05:29:41 <TacticalJoke> Jeez, adding the design support library makes my app-install time way longer.
Oct 23 05:29:53 <TacticalJoke> I only added it to look through their code temporarily.
Oct 23 05:31:44 <TacticalJoke> It's weird there's always been this obsession with Android regarding fast code.  Even calling View.findViewById in a Adapter.getView was a huge no-no.
Oct 23 05:31:48 <boodllebat> g00s: is their some sort of conspiraciy realted to goodle/android like they are forcing people to buy new devices
Oct 23 05:31:57 <TacticalJoke> And now look at some of support-library code.
Oct 23 05:32:15 <g00s> boodllebat planned obsolescence has always been part of android
Oct 23 05:32:18 <TacticalJoke> The code for AppBarLayout iterates all children every single time someone drags.
Oct 23 05:32:20 <g00s> OEMs have to sell you new stuff
Oct 23 05:32:44 <TacticalJoke> The whole AppBarLayout/CoordinatorLayout/CollapsingToolbarLayout thing -- aren't we supposed to minimize nesting?
Oct 23 05:33:23 <boodllebat> g00s: i am waiting for the day when GNU and FOSS like movements decides to ship their own systems and devices on a mass scale
Oct 23 05:33:51 <boodllebat> like phones, computers , routers and everything
Oct 23 05:33:58 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: It's not gonna happen.
Oct 23 05:34:14 <g00s> boodllebat i think things will have to change inevitably; each N7 for example required 165 lbs of raw materials - there isn't an infinite supply of indium , etc
Oct 23 05:34:47 <g00s> yeah, GNU is too slow to adapt. they still have to conquer the desktop :P
Oct 23 05:36:32 <boodllebat> then we need another company in the market , company which we need not we deserve , company which can take the loss for mortals probably apple/google will hunt that company down in this initial stages but that company will still do the work because it can take it
Oct 23 05:37:00 <boodllebat> probably a dark knight
Oct 23 05:37:08 <TacticalJoke> The GNU guys aren't really in touch with reality.  But I like their ideas.
Oct 23 05:37:50 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: It's all about profit.  Some fat, bald guy getting another Mercedes.
Oct 23 05:39:34 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: no emotions left everything is money
Oct 23 05:40:18 <TacticalJoke> I think we'd have to edit the human genome to fix this.
Oct 23 05:40:30 <TacticalJoke> Right now, it's ruthless, selfish primates all the way down.
Oct 23 05:41:45 <TacticalJoke> Or maybe just destroy the planet.  It's probably hopeless at this point.
Oct 23 05:41:54 <g00s> giant meteor 2016 !
Oct 23 05:41:59 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: when you say these words people will say he is just saying all this shit cause he is poor.
Oct 23 05:42:12 <TacticalJoke> Destroying the planet isn't enough, though.  Gotta destroy this universe and every other universe, should it exist.
Oct 23 05:43:30 <boodllebat> g00s: rich tycoons will evacuate earth a month earlier before that meteor hits the anywhere near jupitor
Oct 23 05:43:54 <boodllebat> g00s: elon musk is already giving away airbnb like plans for mars trips
Oct 23 05:44:09 <g00s> lol
Oct 23 05:44:45 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: I don't come from a poor background.  I just see how bad things are.
Oct 23 05:45:21 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: i am not saying that i'm just saying how will rich tycoons interpret your thoughts
Oct 23 05:45:59 <boodllebat> http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/27/13078690/elon-musk-mars-mission-cost-per-person-spacex
Oct 23 05:46:16 <g00s> i'd sign up for that :P
Oct 23 05:46:32 <CedricBeust> “There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
Oct 23 05:46:32 <CedricBeust> There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”
Oct 23 05:47:47 <boodllebat> CedricBeust: yeah i heard about that something realted to quantum decaying and stuff , like some quantum entity starts decaying as soon as it comes into observation of some other entity
Oct 23 05:48:13 <TacticalJoke> I wish Chris Banes would learn that the possessive adjective is "its", not "it's".  Tired of reading "larger than it's parent" and the like.
Oct 23 05:48:22 <TacticalJoke> Larger than [it is] parent.
Oct 23 05:48:40 <CedricBeust> TacticalJoke: Could be worse, like "larger then it's parent"
Oct 23 05:48:51 <TacticalJoke> Larger.  Then, it is parent.
Oct 23 05:49:10 <CedricBeust> boodllebat: That's actually a Douglas Adams quote
Oct 23 05:49:13 <CedricBeust> not a real theory
Oct 23 05:49:17 <g00s> CedricBeust i think this dog knows what the universe is for .. http://i.imgur.com/7dPyIyJ.jpg
Oct 23 05:49:34 <TacticalJoke> That dog is happier than I am
Oct 23 05:49:43 <TacticalJoke> He's onto something.
Oct 23 05:50:57 <TacticalJoke> Maybe we should force people, against their will, to learn the word "its".
Oct 23 05:51:21 <TacticalJoke> Those who don't demonstrate that they've learned the difference are executed.
Oct 23 05:51:36 <TacticalJoke> They have two weeks to learn.
Oct 23 05:51:48 <TacticalJoke> Is that too harsh?
Oct 23 05:52:18 <TacticalJoke> It'd be nature selecting for good language ability.
Oct 23 05:52:36 <boodllebat> CedricBeust: when people say something related to universe and its mystery , my mind makes me think that i'm useless and trapped in a humanly dogma
Oct 23 05:52:46 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: Thank goodness you used 'its'.
Oct 23 05:52:56 <boodllebat> :)
Oct 23 05:53:17 <TacticalJoke> CedricBeust: Maybe you could ban everyone who commits grammar atrocities.
Oct 23 05:53:29 <boodllebat> lol
Oct 23 05:55:57 <Mariu> you can use science and technology to improve your body
Oct 23 05:56:43 <g00s> Why Do Dog Paws Smell Like Fritos?
Oct 23 05:57:58 <g00s> A: There are particular bacteria called Proteus or Pseudomonas that emanate from their paws and give off a yeasty, snacky smell
Oct 23 05:59:27 <g00s> that has vexed me for many years
Oct 23 06:01:16 <boodllebat> g00s: cause we have same for dogs http://catalienconspiracy.com/
Oct 23 06:05:05 <alphamule> It has
Oct 23 06:05:06 <alphamule> It owns
Oct 23 06:05:08 <alphamule> It's
Oct 23 06:05:11 <alphamule> *ducks*
Oct 23 06:05:39 <alphamule> Also, if there were two spider monster in that Stephen King movie, there'd be Its
Oct 23 06:05:46 <alphamule> monsters*
Oct 23 06:06:13 <alphamule> Yay for breaking languages.
Oct 23 06:07:36 <alphamule> Talking of destroying all universes, seen that MSPA comic?  ;)
Oct 23 06:17:38 <boodllebat> Like when coding a messenger like thing to listen for new notification i should use IntentService or Service ?
Oct 23 06:19:12 <boodllebat> I need a thing which should run infinitely in background to look for notifications and also acts as registry for other threads
Oct 23 06:20:57 <boodllebat> Its really confusing what should i use Service, IntentService or Custom thread
Oct 23 06:23:58 <TacticalJoke> boodllebat: A messaging app?
Oct 23 06:24:03 <TacticalJoke> Like WhatsApp or something.
Oct 23 06:27:58 <boodllebat> TacticalJoke: its not a messaging app but architecture might be similar but it has nothing to do with messages or one-to-one / one-to-many / many-to-many text exchange so i wont call it messaging
Oct 23 09:00:14 <NeoFrontier> Hello.
Oct 23 09:01:33 <NeoFrontier> So I finally upgraded to AS 2.2.2 . But for some reason when I run (>) my app it is always loaded onto the first device I loaded the app on.
Oct 23 09:01:42 <NeoFrontier> Even though I did not tick the checkbox for doing that.
Oct 23 09:01:45 <NeoFrontier> what gives ?
Oct 23 10:47:57 <whatitis> unplug that device and see what happens
Oct 23 11:00:59 <kornerr> hi
Oct 23 11:01:11 <kornerr> is it possible to run android emulator in virtual box?
Oct 23 11:15:04 <Melatonina> kornerr: http://www.howtogeek.com/164570/how-to-install-android-in-virtualbox/
Oct 23 11:21:36 <kornerr> Melatonina: thanks
Oct 23 11:42:55 <Mavrik> kornerr, there's also Genymotion which is usually better
Oct 23 11:49:09 <kornerr> it's not free, right?
Oct 23 11:50:13 <Melatonina> kornerr: there is a free version
Oct 23 12:38:49 <linuxlove> hi guys
Oct 23 12:41:30 <Lutan> hi
Oct 23 12:41:36 <Lutan> didn't think there's anyone here
Oct 23 12:42:21 <Lutan> So, I'm new to this IRC thing. It's just an open chat, right?
Oct 23 12:43:02 <Leeds> open chat, on topic
Oct 23 12:44:46 <Lutan> Ah, I see. I joined because I have a problem I just couldn't find an answer to: I wrote a widget, and after some time, ~15 minutes, it just dies. Anyone else here had this problem?
Oct 23 12:46:10 <Leeds> how does it die?
Oct 23 12:46:50 <Melatonina> Lutan: about 15 minutes? No.
Oct 23 12:47:24 <Lutan> I spawn a thread for the widget which Log.ds a message every ten seconds, until it just stops. Also, the click events stop work at the same time
Oct 23 12:47:57 <Lutan> 15 minutes was the time between the first and last debug message
Oct 23 12:48:12 <Leeds> nothing at all in the log at that point?
Oct 23 12:48:43 <linuxlove> i followed this link http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32492011/how-to-load-datajson-into-recycler-view-using-volley to list data from a json but when i run on phone i get the program has stopped whats is wrong with me?
Oct 23 12:49:15 <Lutan> Android Studio gets a bunch of other log stuff, like charging status etc, but no logs from my widget
Oct 23 12:49:50 <Lutan> I already posted a bit more details in the subreddit friday thread
Oct 23 12:50:13 <Leeds> this isn't reddit...
Oct 23 12:50:32 <Lutan> whoops, I thought this was related as this channel is mentioned there
Oct 23 12:51:09 <Lutan> The additional info there is: "I went through all the links on Google that I could find about this. I don't have any battery saving enabled, and rebooting doesn't bring it back to life. Only reinstalling via Android Studio does."
Oct 23 12:51:28 <Lutan> Also OnePlus 3, Android version 6.0.1 Oxygen OS 3.2.7, and restarting the phone while the widget is working kills the widget
Oct 23 12:51:32 <linuxlove> i followed this link http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32492011/how-to-load-datajson-into-recycler-view-using-volley to list data from a json but when i run on phone i get the program has stopped whats is wrong with me?
Oct 23 12:51:57 <Leeds> linuxlove: don't use volley...
Oct 23 12:52:58 <linuxlove> Leeds, whats alternative for volley ?
Oct 23 12:53:16 <Leeds> Lutan: pastebin your logcat from when it dies - very likely there's something there
Oct 23 12:53:20 <Leeds> linuxlove: retrofit, I'd say
Oct 23 12:54:07 <linuxlove> Leeds, i know that volley is useful for caching
Oct 23 12:54:55 <Melatonina> Leeds: why not Volley?
Oct 23 12:56:15 <Lutan> http://pastebin.com/raw/p0gRkr00 the lutan.systems.log ones are the last sent debug messages
Oct 23 12:56:25 <Lutan> I guess it's the "Killing 7175:systems.lutan.blockwidgets/u0a145 (adj 13): excessive cpu 706100 during 194789" thing?
Oct 23 12:57:14 <linuxlove> Leeds, whats last version of retrofit?
Oct 23 12:58:17 <Leeds> https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/oxygenos-3-bgdetect-killing-legitimate-background-processes.454330/
Oct 23 12:58:20 <Leeds> linuxlove: really?
Oct 23 12:58:31 <Melatonina> Lutan: I have an test application which creates a some big data at startup in the main thread. It gets killed. Maybe it's the same problem with you
Oct 23 12:58:37 <linuxlove> Leeds, yess
Oct 23 12:58:47 * Leeds goes back to watching Luke Cage kick the crap out of people
Oct 23 12:59:23 <Melatonina> Luke Cage?!?
Oct 23 12:59:44 <Leeds> big bulletproof dude
Oct 23 12:59:58 <Melatonina> Isn't that a series for kids?
Oct 23 13:00:05 <Leeds> uh-huh
Oct 23 13:00:17 <Melatonina> Are you a kid?
Oct 23 13:07:58 <linuxlove> Leeds, is this link a valid reference for me https://www.learn2crack.com/2016/02/recyclerview-json-parsing.html
Oct 23 13:10:57 <Lutan> Okay, one solution, next to flashing a different OS on my own, is to start my widget in foreground (something like Service.startForeground()). Where exactly do I call that? I don't call Service.start() anywhere
Oct 23 13:11:05 <Lutan> *on my phone
Oct 23 13:11:29 <linuxlove>  compile 'com.squareup.retrofit2:retrofit:2.0.0-beta4'
Oct 23 13:30:00 <linuxlove> i get error from this   personlist.add(i, item);
Oct 23 13:30:34 <linuxlove> i created ArrayList<Item> personlist;
Oct 23 13:32:11 <linuxlove> it is my mainactivity http://kopy.io/bJKGG
Oct 23 13:33:25 <linuxlove> anyone there?
Oct 23 13:33:44 <raoul11> what is the error? IndexOutOfBound?
Oct 23 13:46:40 <winegoddess> hello
Oct 23 13:46:52 <winegoddess> good day all
Oct 23 13:55:00 <justJanne> So, how do I get the new overflow menu in my apps, with the extra padding at top and bottom?
Oct 23 13:55:10 <justJanne> I’m already trying with latest target sdk and appcompat
Oct 23 13:58:27 <csst0111> I don't think there's a component for that
Oct 23 14:04:15 <justJanne> well how do the Google apps that have that get it then?
Oct 23 14:11:13 <EvgenySagatov> Hi! I need help. How can I compile wpa_supplicant for Android? I look this source https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/wpa_supplicant_8
Oct 23 14:11:38 <justJanne> EvgenySagatov: sadly, this channel only discusses development of applications for android.
Oct 23 14:11:52 <justJanne> your question might be better served in (sadly dead) #android-root
Oct 23 14:11:57 <justJanne> here you’ll just get banned
Oct 23 14:13:23 <EvgenySagatov> justJanne: heh, thanks :-)
Oct 23 14:16:22 <ryuujin> bitumated scallament
Oct 23 14:41:04 <linuxlove> hi
Oct 23 14:41:53 <linuxlove> this is my main activity http://kopy.io/XBaux
Oct 23 14:42:45 <linuxlove> i followed this link to make a list from json http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32492011/how-to-load-datajson-into-recycler-view-using-volley
Oct 23 14:43:12 <linuxlove> but when i run app i just see names of json and i cant see ages
Oct 23 14:47:11 <winegoddess> super simple app practice, i have two buttons for a submit and a clear. i get a warning message they should be bordeless. i don tknow whta is meant by button bar.  but i click throgh the warnign to a page talking of maerial design. and i think i want a raisedbutton. but how do i use the docs to see how to do this? i am using appcompat
Oct 23 14:48:25 <winegoddess> i assume because i have these side by side it is calling it a button bar?
Oct 23 14:48:56 <winegoddess> i dont want borderless buttons...the examples on the linked material page show raised, with similar examples
Oct 23 14:53:50 <winegoddess> okay found an article on medium. if anyone knows where i should have been looking on developer.android pleaselet me know. https://medium.com/google-developers/choosing-a-button-style-with-purpose-and-intent-35a945e228d3#.ox7bkefts
Oct 23 15:08:20 <linuxlove> winegoddess, i cant open article
Oct 23 15:08:53 <winegoddess> Hi linuxlove - cool nick.  im not sure why...
Oct 23 15:09:47 <linuxlove> winegoddess, i see unable to connect
Oct 23 15:10:28 <winegoddess> i was told yesterday that it is had to find what you need in the developer.android site. that blogposts, articles etc work. http://medium.com was mentioned to be a website with good articles. this just happened to be found in a google search.
Oct 23 15:11:51 <winegoddess> im able to reach it from incognito, so im not logged in. can you reach just medium.com?
Oct 23 15:12:06 <linuxlove> winegoddess, no i cant
Oct 23 15:12:20 <linuxlove> i cant just connect to this site
Oct 23 15:16:14 <winegoddess> linuxlove the part of the article that worked for me was to use this on my button: style="@style/Widget.AppCompat.Button.Colored"
Oct 23 15:16:49 <winegoddess> it pulled in my accent color of the theme.  This was not an option on Android Studio 2.2 properties for setting style, but i coudl do it from the XML
Oct 23 15:18:09 <linuxlove> winegoddess, have you ever used volley ? whats differences with refrofit?
Oct 23 15:18:30 <winegoddess> linuxlove - no i have not used volley.
Oct 23 15:25:43 <Zharf> the difference is that volley's terrible and retrofit's nice
Oct 23 15:28:09 <linuxlove> Zharf, really which aspects do you mean ?
Oct 23 15:38:41 <Zharf> I can't really compare fairly, volley's old and seems pretty much unmaintained nowadays, retrofit is just nicer in every aspect
Oct 23 15:39:20 <Zharf> it just takes more code to get the same result in volley
Oct 23 16:01:30 <Melatonina> orbyt_: hi
Oct 23 16:01:35 <orbyt_> o/
Oct 23 16:01:45 <Melatonina> what did you want to ask?
Oct 23 16:04:36 <bomb> Yeah, orbyt_ how can we help you?
Oct 23 16:07:16 <orbyt_> Nothing atm, or are you referring to my pm earlier Melatonina
Oct 23 16:07:39 <Melatonina> orbyt_: yes
Oct 23 16:08:33 <Melatonina> orbyt_: well, feel free to pm if you need
Oct 23 16:08:53 <orbyt_> It was a question about branding for my space app, I put out a poll on whether I should rebrand it to "Cosmo" vs Horizon or keep its current name
Oct 23 16:09:09 <orbyt_> Was just wondering your thoughts
Oct 23 16:09:21 <Lutan> So, what are you guys currently deving? Something interesting?
Oct 23 16:10:46 <Melatonina> I'm just learning
Oct 23 16:11:02 <Melatonina> orbyt_: just don't brand it "Schiaparelli"
Oct 23 16:11:27 <Melatonina> orbyt_: I don't know the current name of your application, actually
Oct 23 16:12:58 <linuxlove> gi guys
Oct 23 16:13:02 <linuxlove> hi guys
Oct 23 16:13:09 <orbyt_> SpaceHub. The issue I have is that the main goal of the app per se is to try and make space a more mainstream topic. I think a name like "SpaceHub" doesnt contribute to that goal.
Oct 23 16:13:13 <linuxlove> i get error when i want to add maven { url 'http://repo1.maven.org/maven2' }
Oct 23 16:13:35 <linuxlove> i get error when i want to add   compile 'com.squareup.retrofit2:retrofit:2.0.0-beta4'
Oct 23 16:13:35 <linuxlove>     compile 'com.squareup.retrofit2:converter-gson:2.0.0-beta4'
Oct 23 16:13:59 <linuxlove> whats should i do whats correct one ?
Oct 23 16:15:19 <orbyt_> linuxlove: Well, whats the error? I dont remember you needding to add a new path for retrofit
Oct 23 16:16:40 <linuxlove> orbyt_, Error:(28, 13) Failed to resolve: com.squareup.retrofit2:retrofit:2.0.0-beta4
Oct 23 16:17:06 <linuxlove> i get this error
Oct 23 16:18:25 <orbyt_> linuxlove: can you post your build.gradle file
Oct 23 16:18:31 <linuxlove> yess
Oct 23 16:18:34 <JakeWharton> Use 2.1.0
Oct 23 16:18:42 <Melatonina> orbyt_: http://tinyurl.com/space-vs-cosmo
Oct 23 16:19:09 <Zharf> compile 'com.squareup.retrofit2:retrofit:2.1.0'
Oct 23 16:19:14 <Zharf> ^
Oct 23 16:19:23 <linuxlove> orbyt_, http://kopy.io/iNNoe
Oct 23 16:21:32 <linuxlove> Zharf, DO I REMOVE BETA4?
Oct 23 16:21:39 <x13pixels> Has anyone had any luck with gdbclient? After a clean build of the android-7.0.0_r12 branch I am getting "out/target/product/bullhead/gdbclient.cmds:4: Error in sourced command file: Remote connection closed". Has anyone else seen this?
Oct 23 16:22:26 <orbyt_> Melatonina: Whats the significance there?
Oct 23 16:23:02 <x13pixels> Looks like the error is when trying to source scdripts/gdb/dalvik.gdb
Oct 23 16:23:34 <Zharf> linuxlove, obviously...
Oct 23 16:23:43 <x13pixels> Maybe #android-root would be more appropriate?
Oct 23 16:24:17 <orbyt_> linuxlove: Looks normal, perhaps try changing to 2.1.0 as they noted above. I dont know why 2.0.0-beta4 wouldnt resolve, I use the same version in a project on github
Oct 23 16:24:37 <linuxlove> i did  compile 'com.squareup.retrofit2:retrofit:2.1.0'
Oct 23 16:24:37 <linuxlove>     compile 'com.squareup.retrofit2:converter-gson:2.1.0'
Oct 23 16:24:38 <orbyt_> Make sure you change your converter to match the version
Oct 23 16:24:45 <orbyt_> ^
Oct 23 16:24:47 <Melatonina> orbyt_: that probably anything with "space" in it, even if slightly geeky because of the word "hub", is apparently way more popular than "cosmo" as a word. Although that could mean nothing because "space" has more meanings. So possibly that's just a random picture.
Oct 23 16:25:58 <linuxlove> orbyt_, what do you mean about convertor?
Oct 23 16:26:22 <orbyt_> Melatonina: Yea, for example Google Spaces is one of the top results for space. Plus the app store rankings use much more than the title
Oct 23 16:27:27 <orbyt_> Its like wanting to make a mainstream app for something like horses (bad example I know), you wouldnt want to name it HorseHub
Oct 23 16:27:45 <orbyt_> As off the bat it seems like a more niche topic
Oct 23 16:28:08 <orbyt_> linuxlove: The gson converter, you posted it right above my comment
Oct 23 16:28:59 <linuxlove> orbyt_, i changed to 2.1.0 both and im waiting for result
Oct 23 16:29:32 <winegoddess> hi all. checking in again. using Android Studio 2.2 with a ToggleButton. The short-list of properties shows android:text  - because this is a toggle - this is never used, right?  instead textOff and textOn... just checking in since it seems like it shouldnt be listed on teh shortlist, unless it is used....
Oct 23 16:36:03 <schlogg> If you were to create a backend server for an app would you consider having two backends? One that you will send links to the user to confirm accounts etc and then the real backend which the other backend will talk to and the phone will also talk to. I realize this is security by obfuscation and pointless against a real hacker but I don't like sending out the backend address to anyone
Oct 23 16:36:03 <schlogg> since it would make it easy to just DOS/DDOS it for any mischievious person. Thus if anyone DDOS the signup backend then dont disturb players talking to the real backend.
Oct 23 16:39:23 <linuxlove> i got same error
Oct 23 16:40:20 <linuxlove> whats problem what is correct one?
Oct 23 16:42:35 <linuxlove> i changed to 2.1.1 again
Oct 23 16:44:23 <Melatonina> orbyt_: I understand but, as I said, "hub" is also a technological term and space exploration and observation is all about technology.
Oct 23 16:52:01 <Melatonina> winegoddess: did you make your cartoon balloons?
Oct 23 16:52:38 <TacticalJoke> When creating custom ViewGroups, in `onLayout`, I've always said something like `if (changed) { /* lay children out */ }` (doing nothing if `changed` is false).  I've just noticed that this doesn't work with ListView -- ListView requires us to lay it out every time, even if `changed` is false.  Does anyone know what's going on here?
Oct 23 16:53:04 <TacticalJoke> If I don't lay it out every time, ListView simply doesn't draw until I click it.
Oct 23 16:53:31 <TacticalJoke> I notice that the framework ViewGroups simply ignore the `changed` parameter.
Oct 23 16:59:26 <adq> hard to answer TacticalJoke
Oct 23 17:00:30 <adq> could it be that it's simply because of the listview container not changing despite having or not having items (which does not require a relayout since size or position did not change, only content inside)
Oct 23 17:02:18 <TacticalJoke> adq: Yeah, you're right.  Verified with the debugger.
Oct 23 17:02:38 <TacticalJoke> My ListView was empty then filled.  `changed` was false for the second case.
Oct 23 17:08:23 <TacticalJoke> The only framework ViewGroup I can see that pays attention to the `changed` flag is AbsListView.
Oct 23 17:09:20 <SimonVT> Don't think I've seen anyone use the changed parameter like that
Oct 23 17:09:58 <SimonVT> But for generic ViewGroups, that the parent bounds doesn't change doesn't mean that the child bounds hasn't changed
Oct 23 17:10:11 <SimonVT> In that case it'd be wrong to not layout
Oct 23 17:10:44 <adq> yeah, if at least one child changes in size, it should relayout
Oct 23 17:10:58 <adq> assuming a child is not an item in a listview but a regular view inside a viewgroup
Oct 23 17:11:36 <TacticalJoke> In this case, though, both the parent bounds and the children bounds haven't changed (my ViewGroup decides the children bounds, and it gives the same values each time).
Oct 23 17:11:53 <TacticalJoke> It's just that ListView needs the second View.layout call because its data has changed.
Oct 23 17:12:25 <adq> maybe it was a hack to force to call draw
Oct 23 17:12:30 <SimonVT> Probably some drawing cache or something that is not being re-created by you not calling layout
Oct 23 17:12:32 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure why clicking the ListView fixes this, though.  `listView.invalidate();` doesn't fix it.
Oct 23 17:12:33 <adq> because how would you know otherwise
Oct 23 17:12:54 <TacticalJoke> SimonVT: Yeah, I think you're right.  I stepped through a lot of drawing-cache-related stuff just then.
Oct 23 17:13:23 <SimonVT> But generally Android pretty smart about what it invalidates and calls onLayout on.. If something thinks you need to relayout, you probably do
Oct 23 17:13:28 <adq> android weekly is out: http://androidweekly.net/#latest-issue
Oct 23 17:14:09 <adq> they are losing my interest since few monthes, but still watching
Oct 23 17:14:24 <TacticalJoke> FWIW, here's the only framework ViewGroup I've seen so far that pays attention to `changed`: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/master/core/java/android/widget/AbsListView.java#2154
Oct 23 17:14:43 <TacticalJoke> I guess this case makes sense (though ListView is so complicated that it's hard to speak confidently about it).
Oct 23 17:14:52 <adq> funny TacticalJoke
Oct 23 17:14:55 <adq> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AbsListView.html#onLayout(boolean, int, int, int, int)
Oct 23 17:14:59 <adq> Subclasses should NOT override this method but layoutChildren() instead.
Oct 23 17:15:19 <SimonVT> That's just AbsListView subclasses
Oct 23 17:15:36 <SimonVT> Also, consider moving to RecyclerView :p
Oct 23 17:16:34 <TacticalJoke> I did try to move to RecyclerView, but unfortunately I got worse performance (more View.measure calls for my children), and I disliked the lack of a smooth-scrollbar (the one that doesn't change size regardless of child size) and the lack of ListView's smart dividers (that draw themselves only when scrollbars are visible).
Oct 23 17:17:09 <TacticalJoke> For my app, it just seemed like a step down.  The only benefit seemed to be neater code (no more Adapter awkwardness).
Oct 23 17:17:25 <SimonVT> And pretty animations!
Oct 23 17:17:30 <TacticalJoke> :D
Oct 23 17:18:02 <adq> hard to believe
Oct 23 17:18:21 <Ashiren> well neater code, splitting things into logic, decorators, animators etc
Oct 23 17:18:39 <TacticalJoke> adq: I was surprised about the worse performance.  Well, I know for sure that I got more View.measure calls, though I guess it's hard to tell whether I got worse performance overall.
Oct 23 17:18:41 <adq> i was also reluctant to switch from listview to RV at first
Oct 23 17:18:48 <adq> now i'm reluctant to use listview
Oct 23 17:19:07 <adq> well, few things have to be done right for best perf with RV, and it's not secret
Oct 23 17:19:19 <TacticalJoke> The fact that RecyclerView has `notifyItemChanged` and the like didn't improve performance in my case because my app never re-binds the View anyway.
Oct 23 17:19:32 <Ashiren> well i believe there would be negligible impact on performance using RV
Oct 23 17:19:44 <TacticalJoke> It always says `if (data == this.data) { return; }` in the binding methods.
Oct 23 17:20:53 <adq> recently i started using snaphelper and diffutil with RV
Oct 23 17:21:02 <adq> and really it's great, this should have been there since day -1
Oct 23 17:22:09 <SimonVT> That you don't re-bind the data doesn't mean it's not inefficient
Oct 23 17:22:33 <TacticalJoke> SimonVT: I mean that there's no performance boost from `notifyItemChanged` (compared to `notifyDataSetChanged`) in my case.
Oct 23 17:22:40 <SimonVT> Sure there is
Oct 23 17:22:56 <SimonVT> notifyDataSetChanged on a ListView removes all items, re-binds data, re-adds, re-draws
Oct 23 17:23:06 <SimonVT> No matter how many changes you make to the dataset
Oct 23 17:23:15 <TacticalJoke> Fair point.
Oct 23 17:23:29 <SimonVT> Changing 1 item on RecyclerView causes bind/layout/draw to happens for 1 view
Oct 23 17:23:44 <SimonVT> (except in case of notifyItemChanged and predictive animations)
Oct 23 17:24:39 <SimonVT> s/predictive/change/
Oct 23 17:25:31 <TacticalJoke> I'd like to move to RecyclerView ultimately.  But hopefully they fix this (it simply did nothing before): https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/LinearLayoutManager.html#setSmoothScrollbarEnabled(boolean)
Oct 23 17:26:13 <TacticalJoke> And I didn't like having to measure the scroll bars myself.  Ended up so messy.
Oct 23 17:26:47 <TacticalJoke> Oh wait.  They've added "This however assumes that all list items have similar or equal widths or heights" since last time.
Oct 23 17:27:37 <TacticalJoke> Never mind; my brain's not functioning today.  It's just warning that it can look weird if the scroll bar keeps changing size.
Oct 23 17:27:46 <TacticalJoke> I'm gonna get something to eat.  Thanks for the answers.  :D
Oct 23 17:47:51 <winegoddess> hi Melatonina - for now i just used a shape to outline
Oct 23 17:54:03 <Melatonina> ok
Oct 23 17:54:31 <Melatonina> winegoddess: but remember than I want cartoon balloons
Oct 23 18:24:34 <winegoddess> Melatonina you want them? or you want me to have them? :)
Oct 23 18:25:42 <Melatonina> Sorry, I though we could request features
Oct 23 18:29:05 <winegoddess> from Android or me? :) Im not following...
Oct 23 18:29:40 <Melatonina> can we request features for the kid game?
Oct 23 18:29:55 <winegoddess> adq thanks for sharing the link to Android weekly i havent seen that yet.  Id love to get more resources that peopel use. finding out what is in the latest stable releases of Android Studio has been interesting.
Oct 23 18:30:32 <Melatonina> I vote for the cartoon balloons
Oct 23 18:30:51 <winegoddess> Melatonina I will let you know when I am ready for feature requests. Right now Im battling with the basics still. :)
Oct 23 18:30:59 <Melatonina> Ok
Oct 23 18:31:08 <Melatonina> :)
Oct 23 19:28:15 <g00s> "Go is also obsessed with having a type system straight out of the 70s which fights against you at every step of the way" lol
Oct 23 19:34:04 <winegoddess> hi all. i see i can click on a view in my design view and use command B on my mac to go to that very element in XML view. is there a way to go the other way? I know about control-shoft-arrow, but that doesnt stay on the lement between the views...
Oct 23 19:34:42 <Mavrik> g00s, written by a javascript developer? :P
Oct 23 19:35:02 <g00s> Mavrik no Scala 'core' developer
Oct 23 19:35:14 <Mavrik> winegoddess, hmm, does cmd + ] work?
Oct 23 19:35:20 <g00s> 'core' a few years ago, not recently
Oct 23 19:36:40 <Melatonina> winegoddess: look for the "Component Tree" too
Oct 23 19:37:35 <HoierM> Hello everyone. Could someone provide me with an example of using cucumber + espresso for android development? I've been trying for some... days now, and i can't seem to be able to get my project to work. Thanks for the help.
Oct 23 19:39:52 <Melatonina> HoierM: you will be more lucky if you ask specific question, probably
Oct 23 19:40:23 <Mavrik> g00s, ah yes.
Oct 23 19:40:32 <Mavrik> Scala codebases, places from which people run away faster than from JS :P
Oct 23 19:45:43 <g00s> Mavrik what are you babbling about, the article has nothing to do with js or scala :P
Oct 23 19:45:59 <g00s> its written by somebody who is pretty competent though
Oct 23 19:46:24 <g00s> assuming working on scalac requires competence ;)
Oct 23 19:47:32 <Mavrik> Well.
Oct 23 19:48:02 <Mavrik> Hard to assume that when scalac is Gradle like fast and the language is not very good.
Oct 23 19:48:58 <g00s> Mavrik what is a good language ?
Oct 23 19:49:32 <Mavrik> Go certanly seems to be less broken than Scala
Oct 23 19:49:44 <Mavrik> Swift and Kotlin are good, Python, Ruby as well
Oct 23 19:50:00 <Mavrik> Java is also pretty fine, especially with 1.8
Oct 23 19:50:24 <Mavrik> Rust... might be after it gets ironed out
Oct 23 19:51:57 <Melatonina> Mavrik: why is Scala broken?
Oct 23 19:53:00 <schlogg> hat are good names for someone that spends a lot of money and/or knows a lot about brands? poser, spender, highroller, connoisseur. i need this for achievements
Oct 23 19:54:24 <Mavrik> Melatonina, IMO it shares many of the downsides of C++ and little of its benefits
Oct 23 19:54:51 <Mavrik> slow compiler, lots of recompilation and huge language complexity
Oct 23 19:55:10 <Mavrik> documentation is also rotting, ungooglable and every library LOVES to redefine operators to do something else
Oct 23 19:55:22 <Mavrik> making reading and maintaing code hell.
Oct 23 19:55:50 <Mavrik> (It depends on a codebase of course, but hard to avoid those pitfalls when you have to use external libraries.)
Oct 23 20:00:18 <schlogg> hat are good names for someone that spends a lot of money and/or knows a lot about brands? poser, spender, highroller, connoisseur. i need this for achievements
Oct 23 20:00:46 <g00s> materialist fanboy
Oct 23 20:00:59 <adq> ?
Oct 23 20:01:17 <g00s> haha
Oct 23 20:01:52 <adq> connoisseur word always disturb me as french, because it should be "connaisseur"
Oct 23 20:03:07 <g00s> schlogg why not use thesaurus ?
Oct 23 20:04:25 <g00s> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/topics/business/people-who-buy-things/
Oct 23 20:04:54 <g00s> how about 'shopper' lol
Oct 23 20:05:11 <g00s> 'discerning shopper'
Oct 23 20:05:21 <adq> compulsive buyer
Oct 23 20:06:28 <adq> the worst kind
Oct 23 20:06:52 <g00s> i'd look at Go again if they could get generics in there .. but seems uninteresting except 'slightly better C'
Oct 23 20:07:21 <Melatonina> I thought "connoiseur" was just a typo
Oct 23 20:10:58 <adq> i think it's distortion, not a typo
Oct 23 20:11:33 <adq> g00s, i want to dig golisp a bit
Oct 23 20:12:01 <adq> because my "keyboard" can be customized via golisp (and i did a bit of scheme & clisp in the past)
Oct 23 20:12:35 <Melatonina> adq: "Connoisseur is indeed the correct English term. It comes from Old French conoiseor"
Oct 23 20:12:54 <Melatonina> "As the word changed and evolved in French, it didn't in English. "
Oct 23 20:14:16 <adq> hmm ok
Oct 23 20:36:21 <Melatonina> In what time zone are the timestamps in the files of an Android device?
Oct 23 20:37:15 <grekkos> I'm trying to make a passwordless login to my app, I have some ideas in mind for how I can do this but I need help elaborating... Thinking to generate some kind of token from the email address once they submit it, and then they have to click on a link in their email to login... Any ideas for token generation?
Oct 23 20:37:22 <grekkos> Melatonina: I think it's device local timezone
Oct 23 20:37:52 <grekkos> or maybe not even that the token is from the email address but that there's a token generated on the server side and emailed to them to verify
Oct 23 20:39:14 <Melatonina> grekkos: what does "device local timezone" mean? The timezone in which the device is in? What if I move? Timestamps would get messed up
Oct 23 20:42:55 <adq> what timestamps are you speaking about exactly? the one in ext4 filesystem? in logcat?
Oct 23 20:43:39 <Melatonina> in the filesystem
Oct 23 20:43:51 <Melatonina> I download a database from my server
Oct 23 20:44:20 <adq> well, a file/dir metadata should not be aware of a data change
Oct 23 20:44:28 <adq> s/data/date/
Oct 23 20:44:36 <Melatonina> what do you mean?
Oct 23 20:44:45 <Melatonina> I don't understand that sentence
Oct 23 20:44:47 <adq> it's something written when the file is created, or modified
Oct 23 20:44:55 <Melatonina> yeah
Oct 23 20:45:02 <Melatonina> so?
Oct 23 20:45:05 <adq> you would not want the whole filesystem being updated because date changed
Oct 23 20:45:17 <Melatonina> I never said that
Oct 23 20:45:36 <adq> nothing will be messed up if you change the date
Oct 23 20:45:48 <adq> metadata won't change, but it might make less sense to a human
Oct 23 20:45:52 <adq> like ante-futur date
Oct 23 20:46:20 <Melatonina> adq, who talked about metadata changing?
Oct 23 20:47:01 <Melatonina> create a file in a time zone, take an airplane, create a file in another timezone. How do you compare the timestamps?
Oct 23 20:47:02 <adq> you are wondering if after changing the date, timestamp would get messed up or not
Oct 23 20:47:14 <adq> i told you, these timestamps are metadata agnostic to the current time
Oct 23 20:47:47 <Melatonina> I told you, you are talking about something I didn't mention.
Oct 23 20:47:55 <adq> ... sorry then
Oct 23 20:47:59 <Melatonina> np
Oct 23 20:48:37 <Melatonina> I only said that if Android used the current timezone to establish the value of filesystem timestamps, that would not work
Oct 23 20:49:03 <Melatonina> so it must be a fixed timezone, like UTC or something else
Oct 23 20:49:06 <adq> when you need to compare timestamp and get rid of any change in date, you use stuff like UTC or ISO8601
Oct 23 20:49:25 <Melatonina> I just would like to know which one
Oct 23 20:50:04 <Melatonina> My application downloads a database from my server. In order to see if I actually have to download it, I'm comparing the timestamp of the database file in the device with the timestamp that I query from the web api (which returns the timestamp of the database file in the server)
Oct 23 20:51:02 <canoe> Hello, Does anyone know if there is a way to connect a phone over usb and use adb without charging the phone?
Oct 23 20:51:03 <canoe> My phone has enough charge, but keeps trying to quick-charge and it drains my laptop's battery rapidly.
Oct 23 20:52:38 <adq> you could remove your battery
Oct 23 20:52:42 <adq> or you can try adb over wifi
Oct 23 20:52:55 <adq> i don't know a way to have usb plugged without charging otherwise
Oct 23 20:53:40 <canoe> adq, ok thanks.
Oct 23 20:53:45 <canoe> removable battery is not an option
Oct 23 20:53:58 <canoe> and at a cafe, adb over wifi is usually not an option either
Oct 23 20:54:05 <canoe> ok well.
Oct 23 20:54:09 <canoe> oh well8
Oct 23 20:54:25 <Ashiren> removable battery not an option? note 7?
Oct 23 20:54:41 <Napalm> you can start a wifi hotspot from your laptop and use adb wifi over that
Oct 23 20:55:05 <Melatonina> "A long value representing the time the file was last modified, measured in milliseconds since the epoch (00:00:00 GMT, January 1, 1970), or 0L if the file does not exist or if an I/O error occurs"
Oct 23 20:55:19 <Napalm> canoe: the other one could be in the notifications once its plugged in i get the option to choose "charging" or "file-sharing" and a few others
Oct 23 20:55:20 <Melatonina> So it's ufficially GMT/UTC
Oct 23 20:55:26 <Napalm> try file-sharing instead of charging
Oct 23 20:55:55 <Mavrik> Melatonina, I'd never rely on that
Oct 23 20:56:01 <Mavrik> Those timestamps... may be flaky :)
Oct 23 20:56:06 <Napalm> Melatonina: whats this?
Oct 23 20:56:16 <Mavrik> Especially due to funny way how some devices mount the storage
Oct 23 20:57:01 <Melatonina> Mavrik: actually I have a problem where the server timestamp is before the device timestamp even if I just uploaded a new version on the server
Oct 23 20:57:05 <Napalm> Melatonina: this is the db file thing
Oct 23 20:57:12 <Mavrik> Melatonina, yup.
Oct 23 20:57:14 <Napalm> Melatonina: why not use the db version number
Oct 23 20:57:21 <Napalm> thats what its their for
Oct 23 20:57:32 <Melatonina> Yes, I'm going to use version number at this point
Oct 23 20:57:37 <Melatonina> Thanks
Oct 23 20:57:49 <Melatonina> to Mavrik, Napalm and adq
Oct 23 20:57:55 <Mavrik> Melatonina, don't ever rely on the fact that device has it's town setup correctly... they don't :)
Oct 23 20:58:06 <canoe> Napalm, do any of those options in the notification actually stop charging for you? for me they all include charging
Oct 23 20:58:13 <Mavrik> Especially when you start comparing time to other machines.
Oct 23 20:58:35 <Melatonina> Ok. It was a quick hack but it's unsafe.
Oct 23 20:58:45 <Mavrik> canoe, you can't disable charing from the OS, the circuit is rather separate on most devices.
Oct 23 20:59:59 <canoe> Mavrik, ok thanks for the insight. unfortunate, but good to know
Oct 23 21:38:54 <Melatonina> I'm ashamed of myself
Oct 23 21:39:05 <Melatonina> I watched "Ghostbusters (2016)"
Oct 23 21:45:03 <fb|> Melatonina: it's okay man, it's over
Oct 23 21:48:18 <Napalm> Melatonina: shame
Oct 23 22:53:45 <zap> Hello! I have a custom Fragment, and I have some member class fields. When screen orientation changes, the fragment gets onDetach() notification, then onAttach() but somehow between these two calls all member variables of the class are cleared! Is that normal? How do I avoid it?
Oct 23 22:54:19 <Napalm> zap: can you pastebin your code
Oct 23 22:55:17 <zap> Wait
Oct 23 22:55:51 <zap> http://pastebin.ca/3732135
Oct 23 22:56:58 <Melatonina> zap: member of the object are cleared
Oct 23 22:57:12 <zap> Is that described somewhere?
Oct 23 22:57:51 <Melatonina> zap: I meant to say that a class member as no value and can't be cleared. You object is cleared, not your class
Oct 23 22:57:58 <Melatonina> as -> has
Oct 23 22:58:16 <zap> ah, ok.
Oct 23 22:58:20 <Napalm> back
Oct 23 22:58:43 <Napalm> zap: you can retain your fragment
Oct 23 22:58:59 <Melatonina> zap: are you sure it's the same object?
Oct 23 22:59:20 <zap> Actually it looks like the object was recreated.
Oct 23 22:59:44 <zap> but I have no idea why...
Oct 23 23:00:26 <Melatonina> because it's not retained?
Oct 23 23:00:53 <Napalm> zap: but it depends on your usage if that is appropriate for you
Oct 23 23:01:03 <Napalm> zap: the fragment objects are suppose to be recreated
Oct 23 23:01:15 <zap> Where I can save its state then?
Oct 23 23:01:41 <Napalm> zap: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/Fragment.html#onSaveInstanceState(android.os.Bundle)
Oct 23 23:01:59 <Napalm> you get that bundle back in onCreate and onCreateView and onActivityCreated
Oct 23 23:02:07 <zap> aha
Oct 23 23:02:37 <Napalm> brb
Oct 23 23:02:58 <zap> so I have to make my ControllerProfile a Parcealable to be able to store it in a Bundle...
Oct 23 23:29:48 <NSABear> question
Oct 23 23:29:54 <bankai_> answer
Oct 23 23:29:55 <NSABear> is there any less painful way of designing a UI for Android
Oct 23 23:29:59 <NSABear> Android studio is pain.
Oct 23 23:30:27 <bankai_> designing it to show a customer or designing it for an end product?
Oct 23 23:30:29 <NSABear> this is my first android app and I'm going ambitious
Oct 23 23:30:35 <NSABear> end product
Oct 23 23:31:00 <NSABear> I know Java.
Oct 23 23:31:05 <NSABear> but the UI part is pain.
Oct 23 23:31:09 <bankai_> edit the XML manually, the UI builder is rubbish
Oct 23 23:31:21 <fb|> ^
Oct 23 23:31:31 <NSABear> XML is also pain
Oct 23 23:31:37 <fb|> that's too bad man
Oct 23 23:31:44 <NSABear> but I'm glad others agree the UI builder is litteral dogshit
Oct 23 23:31:50 <bitkiller__> NSABear, pay someone to do it
Oct 23 23:31:54 <bankai_> literal?....
Oct 23 23:32:07 <TacticalJoke> litter-all
Oct 23 23:32:10 <fb|> well dogshit will make the UI builder stop working
Oct 23 23:32:11 <NSABear> pain
Oct 23 23:32:26 <NSABear> So work on backend logic first?
Oct 23 23:42:54 <TacticalJoke> I have a custom view that shows text.  It is the child of a ListView.  It works fine almost almost, but 1 in 1,000 times it is the wrong height.
Oct 23 23:43:29 <TacticalJoke> I've debugged the issue and found that my call to `requestLayout` is being ignored.  I'm not getting `onMeasure` (or even `onLayout`) after that.
Oct 23 23:43:48 <TacticalJoke> The requestLayout call is *not* happening during an existing layout.
Oct 23 23:44:02 <TacticalJoke> Any ideas what it could be?  I wonder whether it's a ListView bug.
Oct 23 23:44:40 <oarod_> anyone have experience with turbolinks android adapter? or just webview funkiness? 1 day old android dev.
Oct 23 23:45:07 <oarod_> having issues with what i think is content height
Oct 23 23:52:48 <Melatonina> NSABear: are you from the National Security Agency?
Oct 23 23:52:50 <TacticalJoke> oarod_: It's pointless asking meta-questions.  They waste everyone's time.
Oct 23 23:53:01 <NSABear> Melatonina: Not disclosing.
Oct 23 23:53:39 <oarod_> word, my bad
Oct 23 23:54:07 <Melatonina> NSABear: I like to hunt bears.
Oct 23 23:54:11 <oarod_> would pictures help?
Oct 23 23:54:38 <Melatonina> oarod_: only if hand-made
Oct 23 23:54:45 <oarod_> lol
Oct 23 23:54:49 <TacticalJoke> oarod_: Saying "Does anyone have experience with X?" just wastes time.  Gotta ask the actual question.
Oct 23 23:57:28 <Melatonina> oarod_: we are waiting for the actual question
Oct 23 23:57:52 <oarod_> ive been stabbing in the dark, not sure what details help tbh. i have some content in a webview and its doing some weird height behavior when popping up a bootstrap modal
Oct 23 23:58:00 <oarod_> pictures incoming
Oct 23 23:58:37 <eagleyes> where?
Oct 23 23:58:42 <Melatonina> oarod_: please include some naked girls in the pictures. People always forget that
Oct 23 23:59:48 <oarod_> http://imgur.com/a/KRKNo
Oct 24 00:00:57 <Melatonina> Is it a fitness training app?
Oct 24 00:02:13 <TacticalJoke> capellaGoesBOO: Made me jump.
Oct 24 00:06:03 <oarod_> http://imgur.com/mdz9K8a picture of what it looks like normally on the web in chrome
Oct 24 00:06:05 <eagleyes> hey alex88 what are you up to'd now
Oct 24 00:06:12 * capellaGoesBOO produces a knife and advances menacingly towards tacticalJoke
Oct 24 00:07:23 <TacticalJoke> Oh jeez
Oct 24 00:11:55 <Melatonina> oarod_: maybe you should try and express yourself with words
Oct 24 00:12:19 <oarod_> i gave you 2000 words ;-P
Oct 24 00:13:39 <TacticalJoke> Isn't it a thousand?
Oct 24 00:15:59 <oarod_> i have an android project, using the rails turbolinks android adapter to generate essentially a webview showing a bootstrap-y webapp
Oct 24 00:16:25 <oarod_> and the linked pictures show whats happening
Oct 24 00:17:01 <oarod_> very minor changes from the project that was first generated by android studio
Oct 24 00:17:33 <Melatonina> so you are doing web development pretending to be doing Android development?
Oct 24 00:17:51 <oarod_> it works in all browsers, it works on the ios version
Oct 24 00:18:15 <oarod_> fake it till you make it
Oct 24 00:18:57 <Melatonina> you made it
Oct 24 00:19:38 <Melatonina> what's happening may not be clear to other people watching the picture
Oct 24 00:19:44 <Melatonina> s
Oct 24 00:19:46 <oarod_> im pretty frustrated by whats probably a really easy problem
Oct 24 00:20:12 <oarod_> bootstrap modal popping up is being cut off
Oct 24 00:20:13 <Melatonina> take into account that people here don't use that kind of framework, most probably
Oct 24 00:20:27 <oarod_> as if the end of the web content is being treated as the end of the viewd
Oct 24 00:20:32 <Melatonina> it should be pretty obvious that you are not going to get any help
Oct 24 00:20:55 <Melatonina> get a beer from the fridge and watch something on the TV
Oct 24 00:21:07 <Melatonina> forget about this whole android development thing
Oct 24 00:21:15 <oarod_> meow
Oct 24 00:22:57 <Melatonina> why don't we pretend you never attempted to develop anything on Android and you start a fresh new project in Android Studio with the main activity that says "hello world"?
Oct 24 00:23:51 <oarod_> troll much
Oct 24 00:24:32 <Melatonina> I was trying to encourage you to follow the good route
Oct 24 00:25:28 <oarod_> im aware ive no idea what im doing atm
Oct 24 00:25:38 <oarod_> its started from a fresh hello world project
Oct 24 00:25:54 <Melatonina> I know. PWAC. I belong to the same school
Oct 24 00:27:08 <Melatonina> I have an history of 2 months of Android PWAC
Oct 24 00:29:14 <wyrdtrtle> lmao, pwac to me is pajama wearing ass clown
Oct 24 00:31:28 <oarod_> would the view code help? https://gist.github.com/oarod/c02d2b2bbd2d8510ec88697ae70806f5
Oct 24 00:34:49 <oarod_> and just checked on naked webview browser in emulator and it works fine
Oct 24 00:36:42 <oarod_> im thinking its some layout issue
Oct 24 00:41:23 <TacticalJoke> I think my above issue (my View not having its `requestLayout` call honoured) was caused by that issue mentioned in here earlier -- the ViewGroup not calling View.layout if `changed` in onLayout is false.
Oct 24 00:41:25 <TacticalJoke> Weird.
Oct 24 00:41:39 <grekkos> I'm working on a REST API for my mobile app, the original design called for a device id, but I'm thinking about removing the requirement for a device id all together. Is there any good reason to have a device id as part of my api? I.e., the client would send their device id with every request
Oct 24 00:42:01 <grekkos> I'm using the word "device id" but this doesn't necessarily mean a hardware id
Oct 24 00:43:00 <TacticalJoke> grekkos: The only reason I can think of is if the server will treat devices differently.
Oct 24 00:43:34 <grekkos> yeah I can't think of any reason why it would
Oct 24 00:46:13 <TacticalJoke> Or if the server wants to analyze user info, I guess.  But that has privacy implications.
Oct 24 00:47:51 <grekkos> okay I think I remember now
Oct 24 00:48:21 <grekkos> TacticalJoke: I think the idea was that we want people to have an account, which would be tied to their email. We ask for their email when the app starts but we don't want to prevent them from going forward and using the app before they verify the email with us
Oct 24 00:54:10 <g00s> just reading this about frontend JS stuff https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12774616
Oct 24 00:54:18 <g00s> funny, nobody mentions dart
Oct 24 00:56:37 <Napalm> g00s: or golang
Oct 24 00:56:49 <TacticalJoke> "Are you an experienced web programmer and already know how to"
Oct 24 00:57:00 <TacticalJoke> I see that kinda thing on Reddit so much.
Oct 24 00:57:35 <TacticalJoke> Are you already know how to.
Oct 24 00:57:48 <skweek> can i ask some advice? I want to update my rom from 6 to 7, and I need to do a clean flash for it to work (I tried dirty already), does anyone have any advice on restore/backup all of my apps/app data or settings?
Oct 24 00:58:02 <TacticalJoke> skweek:
Oct 24 00:58:07 <TacticalJoke> #android-root
Oct 24 00:58:11 <TacticalJoke> Damn Enter key.
Oct 24 00:58:19 <skweek> coolbeans thanks TacticalJoke
Oct 24 00:58:26 <TacticalJoke> :D
Oct 24 00:59:11 <g00s> Napalm i thought i would try my hand at react :D
Oct 24 00:59:13 <TacticalJoke> skweek: Best reaction I've seen to being redirected to #android-root.
Oct 24 01:00:11 <g00s> https://speakerdeck.com/camaelon/babbq16-constraintlayout-presentation
Oct 24 01:00:49 <g00s> something tells me, there is more incentive to get paid at XXX droid conf and talk about shit that isn't documented, than to document stuff right in the first place
Oct 24 01:01:16 <g00s> part if this 'i must build a brand'
Oct 24 01:01:41 <g00s> 'if i provide essential missing info on FooClass, i can get XXX million followers!"
Oct 24 01:02:09 <g00s> become famous in my tribe ...
Oct 24 01:02:23 <TacticalJoke> Step 1: Create problem.  Step 2: Solve problem.  Step 3: ???
Oct 24 01:03:47 <g00s> Step 3 is tweet / google+ the solution
Oct 24 01:07:15 <TacticalJoke> Just fixed a bug that's been plaguing me for months.  I thought it was an Android bug.  Thank goodness.
Oct 24 01:08:31 <TacticalJoke> Moral of the story: lay children out in ViewGroup.onLayout even if `changed` is false.
Oct 24 01:09:31 <TacticalJoke> Seems obvious in hindsight.  I thought I was saving time before.
Oct 24 01:09:49 <TacticalJoke> My bug was appearing once every two weeks or something.
Oct 24 01:13:51 <skweek> jeeze thanks TacticalJoke :D but no one responded in android-root lol
Oct 24 01:17:21 <g00s> haha that CL presentation goes into RL bug with height=wrap_content
Oct 24 01:17:44 <g00s> bitten by that  a few times
Oct 24 01:19:24 <oarod> aaand just found webview debugging
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Oct 24 01:31:36 <TacticalJoke> "Similar to RelativeLayout" in performance.  Hmm.
Oct 24 01:50:41 <velus> hello all, i am playing about with a fragment and also sliding menus, and was wondering how i would go about using it i have got a simple app that demonstrates it, but my current app has a bit of other services in it like the use of media player, and reading stream data. i am hoping to add new features like about us page and more. the current fragment1.java is this http://pastebin.com/r3gYmeAh the main activity of the sliding menu is
Oct 24 01:50:41 <velus> http://pastebin.com/iGiXKZ86 and the main activity of the app i have so far is http://pastebin.com/iJq80a45 would i just put what is in the main activiyty of mny current app in the fragment1.
Oct 24 01:52:57 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys! Why might Google SDK login not working  on some devices? I have 4 devices with Android 4,5,6,7 and it works fine on all of them. But then another devs from my current team build project from my branch and it fails for them with  Google sign in result: Status{statusCode=unknown status code: 12501, resolution=null}
Oct 24 01:53:03 <g00s_> woohoo http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/10/using-rowhammer-bitflips-to-root-android-phones-is-now-a-thing/
Oct 24 01:53:39 <AlexBerdnikov> It drives me nuts, I implemented google login in my previous apps and never encountered such behavior
Oct 24 01:55:23 <AlexBerdnikov> I have already spent two days and it's still a mystery to me. It drivesme crazy. I can't implemet this booldy google login feature for two days already and I don't see any possible solution
Oct 24 01:56:27 <AlexBerdnikov> I feel helpless :(
Oct 24 01:59:49 <velus> sorry i crashed my pc i dsont know if anyone responed
Oct 24 02:05:50 <AlexBerdnikov> velus: i've been here since then and nobody responded
Oct 24 02:06:12 <velus> ok thanks
Oct 24 02:19:31 <f3z0> AlexBerdnikov: hey
Oct 24 02:19:49 <f3z0> AlexBerdnikov: have you looked at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33583326/new-google-sign-in-android
Oct 24 02:20:57 <AlexBerdnikov> f3z0: Hey, yes, sure. I'm struggling with this for 2 days. I googled it in every possible way and of course I saw this SO post :(
Oct 24 02:23:05 <Lutan> So, uh. Just for testing purposes I spawned 6 threads that each request an URL every 10 seconds. Over 20 minutes the Nvidia shield's battery went down about 15%, while connected to a 500mA power supply, and got pretty warm. Is that normal for just a bunch of requests?
Oct 24 02:24:26 <f3z0> AlexBerdnikov: can you provide more of logcat?
Oct 24 02:24:47 <AlexBerdnikov> f3z0:  Google sign in result: Status{statusCode=unknown status code: 12501, resolution=null}
Oct 24 02:25:10 <f3z0> Need to look at the logs preceding that
Oct 24 02:25:42 <AlexBerdnikov> There's no relevant logcat before that line
Oct 24 02:26:55 <f3z0> Are you sure?
Oct 24 02:31:33 <velus> f3z0, would you be able to help me with my question please?
Oct 24 02:35:22 <f3z0> velus: sorry I haven't worked with fragments much, I assume you tried putting your existing activity code into the fragment1? Have you gone through https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Fragment.html?
Oct 24 02:35:39 <TacticalJoke> velus: What was the question?
Oct 24 02:42:56 <g00s_> Lutan could be normal
Oct 24 02:43:15 <f3z0> AlexBerdnikov have you tried building from your machine onto their phones?
Oct 24 02:43:20 <g00s_> and most devices won't charge at the same rate when the screen is turned on
Oct 24 02:44:04 <g00s_> Lutan and wifi radio uses lots power
Oct 24 02:44:19 <AlexBerdnikov> f3z0: what's the difference since they use absolutely same code on their machines?
Oct 24 02:46:03 <f3z0> AlexBerdnikov: well it might make a difference if theres different credentials for different build configs
Oct 24 02:47:17 <AlexBerdnikov> we have same google-services.json and gradle files because they're staged in git so... I believe we have same credentials
Oct 24 02:48:01 <f3z0> are they building exact same build type as you?
Oct 24 02:48:17 <Lutan> g00s_ but if i got that right, it's about 1.2 ampere that was drained in 20 minutes, the ESP8266 could transmit at full power for hours with that
Oct 24 02:49:14 <AlexBerdnikov> f3z0, yes they are
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