**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 08 03:00:01 2017
Jan 08 03:18:21 <TacticalJoke> keur: Never used Volley, but I can say for sure that static fields are not set to `null` if an Android Activity finishes.
Jan 08 03:18:41 <TacticalJoke> Do you have a link to the documentation item you're referring to?
Jan 08 03:47:16 <InfiniteWaves> found another odd issue. I have content sitting in front of my appbar by using the behavior_overlapTop attribute. It works but only if I have a "enterAlwaysCollapsed" scrollflag set on my collapsing toolbar. If I remove it the content sits under the collapsingtoolbar
Jan 08 03:47:57 <InfiniteWaves> I have no problem leaving it, but does anyone know why that might be occuring? I dont see what the scroll flag has to do with such elevation changes
Jan 08 05:03:03 <MarkyC> is it possible to change the gravity of the TextInputLayout hint?
Jan 08 05:03:29 <MarkyC> I have a TextInputLayout and a TextInputEditText. I want my EditText hint gravity to be centered, but my TextInputLayout gravity to be top left
Jan 08 05:12:33 <InfiniteWaves> should just be android:gravity or android:foregroundGravity
Jan 08 06:45:18 * raoul11 thepooshes thepoosh 
Jan 08 06:45:31 <raoul11> shavuatov buddy
Jan 08 06:45:35 <thepoosh> ohithere
Jan 08 06:45:46 <thepoosh> sup dudermeister?
Jan 08 06:46:02 <raoul11> thepoosh
Jan 08 06:46:16 <raoul11> that talk on the RV on steroids
Jan 08 06:46:19 <raoul11> ++
Jan 08 06:46:27 <thepoosh> yes man, it was amazing
Jan 08 06:46:33 <raoul11> that chick is the female version of you
Jan 08 06:46:33 <thepoosh> sent it everywhere
Jan 08 06:46:37 <thepoosh> ha!
Jan 08 06:46:50 <raoul11> also came in a good time thepoosh
Jan 08 06:46:57 <raoul11> since i am RVing a lot lately
Jan 08 06:47:01 <thepoosh> there is never a bad time for that
Jan 08 06:47:03 <raoul11> and will need to do a lot more soon
Jan 08 06:47:10 <thepoosh> also, came in the best time for up internally
Jan 08 06:47:22 <raoul11> she has a point why they didnt bother with click events
Jan 08 06:47:25 <thepoosh> got a guy to not use viewpager and use RV instead
Jan 08 06:47:45 <raoul11> why not both thepoosh /:
Jan 08 06:48:04 <thepoosh> it was for a filter strip at the bottom of the view
Jan 08 06:48:11 <raoul11> oh
Jan 08 06:48:15 <thepoosh> adding fragments instead of cards was dumb
Jan 08 06:48:22 <thepoosh> and I'm happy I found this to use instead
Jan 08 06:48:27 <raoul11> RV cant handle fragments no?
Jan 08 06:49:00 <thepoosh> nope, but there is no reason to use frags when cards are good enough
Jan 08 06:49:18 <raoul11> i still dont get why did they add all those methods nd classes, but didnt bother with a standarized click event
Jan 08 06:49:58 <raoul11> am sure this was asked many many times
Jan 08 06:50:01 <thepoosh> they added all the modules you can use but clicks are not modules
Jan 08 06:50:36 <raoul11> but why not add a standard way
Jan 08 06:50:48 <raoul11> u see SO and see a fuckton of approachs to it
Jan 08 06:51:23 <thepoosh> it seems very strait forward for me
Jan 08 06:51:53 <raoul11> to you
Jan 08 06:52:34 <raoul11> u use cardviews much thepoosh ?
Jan 08 06:52:40 <thepoosh> nope
Jan 08 06:52:55 <thepoosh> but we have a few use-cases for it
Jan 08 06:52:57 <thepoosh> like 2-3
Jan 08 06:54:20 <raoul11> do you have google autocomplete on your app?
Jan 08 06:55:06 <thepoosh> no
Jan 08 06:56:58 <raoul11> need to implement this today
Jan 08 06:57:10 <raoul11> ios dude said it was a pain
Jan 08 06:57:48 <thepoosh> sorry to hear
Jan 08 08:16:44 <Ywa> Hi folks. Is it possible that existing BaseAdapters lose data when the app is running out of VM memory?
Jan 08 08:17:15 <Ywa> I´m having Out Of Memory crashes for some users, but also fatal crashes related to BaseAdapter which I can´t reproduce
Jan 08 08:17:30 <Ywa> So I´m unsure if the memory issues are related or not
Jan 08 09:00:37 <mohsen_> Hi. Is gradle wrapper included in the SDK?
Jan 08 09:07:50 <Ashiren> in SDK itself i dont think so
Jan 08 09:11:51 <mohsen_> Ashiren: Is it downloaded when I run the gradlew script?
Jan 08 09:12:25 <mohsen_> Because there is a distribution url for gradle inside gradle-wrapper.properties
Jan 08 09:15:04 <Ashiren> that would be android studio
Jan 08 09:15:11 <Ashiren> i assumed by sdk you meant android-sdk
Jan 08 09:15:58 <Ashiren> ah and yes, gradlew downloads it
Jan 08 09:49:03 <raoul11> lol thepoosh
Jan 08 09:49:16 <raoul11> did u hear bout bibi&mozes?
Jan 08 09:53:20 <thepoosh> the cigar thingie?
Jan 08 09:56:37 <thepoosh> raoul11: the israel is strong in this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXHQsLicWR0
Jan 08 09:57:02 <raoul11> nooooo thepoosh
Jan 08 09:57:09 <raoul11> open amit_segal on twitter
Jan 08 09:57:28 <raoul11> frank underwood is a pussycat compares to this stuff
Jan 08 09:57:42 * thepoosh reading
Jan 08 09:58:29 <thepoosh> raoul11: all I see is this; https://twitter.com/amitsegal22/status/781740759829602304
Jan 08 09:58:57 <raoul11> https://twitter.com/amit_segal/status/818025024330354688
Jan 08 09:59:09 <NeoFrontier> Hi, where do the smartphone hardware geniuses hide on the net ? I need to talk to someone about cameras and their compatibility ( or not ) throughout different makes and models.
Jan 08 09:59:19 <thepoosh> raoul11: I though Mozes was his archnemisis
Jan 08 09:59:24 <raoul11> lol
Jan 08 09:59:26 <raoul11> yeah
Jan 08 09:59:31 <raoul11> such a twist
Jan 08 10:00:24 <thepoosh> raoul11: #israel is the place for this, not #android-dev
Jan 08 10:00:29 <thepoosh> come over, it's fun
Jan 08 10:00:46 <thepoosh> NeoFrontier: you're gonna have to ask specific questions in order to get answers
Jan 08 10:01:07 <raoul11> #israel on freenode?
Jan 08 10:01:19 <NeoFrontier> Yeah but where thepoosh its a hardware question.
Jan 08 10:03:25 <thepoosh> #android
Jan 08 10:05:12 <NeoFrontier> mmm
Jan 08 10:05:14 <NeoFrontier> lets see
Jan 08 10:52:43 <Melatonina> thepoosh: I watched the Recycler View video too. Thanks
Jan 08 10:53:28 <Melatonina> thepoosh: I don't like that kind of videos but it was interesting.
Jan 08 11:00:35 <thepoosh> Melatonina: those type of videos can be either gold or super-meh
Jan 08 11:59:30 <Zta> So my Service requires certain permissions. Should it Service request them? Or should one of my Activities?  I want the Service to always start automatically so it's not necessary started by an Activity.
Jan 08 12:01:33 <Zta> Hm, I should catch SecurityException in any case whenever I access something that requires permissions because they can be revoked by the user at any time.
Jan 08 12:02:01 <Sircle> Is there a software for PC /Linux that would pair with my android phone and I be able to send SMS via native android SMS app internally via copy paste in my computer?
Jan 08 12:04:39 <Zta> Isn't there some plug-in for the Google Chrome browser to do this?  I don't use Crome myself and generally don't like browser (nor their plug-ins) but prefer native apps.
Jan 08 12:04:56 <Melatonina> Sircle: better asked on #android?
Jan 08 12:05:01 <SimonVT> Zta: Permissions are requested by an Activity. Don't catch the exception, just check before you use whatever requires permission. If the user revokes a permission your process is killed, in which case you check when it's started again
Jan 08 12:15:06 <Zta> Really? The process it killed when permissions change? Or when lowered?
Jan 08 12:17:54 <Zta> Sircle: Or #linux/#ubuntu/#rathead/etc..
Jan 08 12:18:42 <Sircle> Zta: Melatonina hm there used to be a "PC suite" for symbion phones, isnt there a similer by google for android?
Jan 08 12:19:24 <Zta> Sircle: I just Googled this which look like a decent hack: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1462343#p1462343
Jan 08 12:20:32 <Zta> (We're getting off-topic, sorry.)
Jan 08 12:21:35 <Sircle> Zta:  that needs a rooted phone
Jan 08 13:24:01 <raoul11> thepoosh, just did some useless cusses checker on userinputs for usernames
Jan 08 13:24:10 <raoul11> it feels like norton security
Jan 08 13:29:47 <thepoosh> hehe
Jan 08 13:29:53 <thepoosh> norton32
Jan 08 13:30:11 <thepoosh> raoul11: are you old enough to remember norton file explorer?
Jan 08 13:31:11 <raoul11> YES
Jan 08 13:31:17 <raoul11> am old as fuk m8
Jan 08 13:31:23 <thepoosh> I miss that blue screen
Jan 08 13:32:46 <raoul11> so i got a 250 badwords dict thepoosh
Jan 08 13:33:12 <raoul11> but i can see a lilsh!the@d bypassin it like this
Jan 08 14:06:00 <Melatonina> hi rao!
Jan 08 14:07:12 <raoul11> sup mela
Jan 08 14:08:13 <homa_> hi
Jan 08 14:11:05 <Melatonina> I'm reviewing some old code. That is last month's code. Replacing callbacks with observables
Jan 08 14:11:11 <Melatonina> hi homa_
Jan 08 14:11:26 <homa_> hi Melatonina
Jan 08 14:12:39 <ParkourGrip> Hi!
Jan 08 14:12:59 <ParkourGrip>  Unable to execute dex: Multiple dex files define Landroid/support/graphics/drawable/AnimatedVectorDrawableCompat
Jan 08 14:13:17 <squ> cleanup
Jan 08 14:14:00 <ParkourGrip> not helping : P
Jan 08 14:31:29 <homa_> bye
Jan 08 14:32:48 <squ> bye
Jan 08 14:48:46 <Melatonina> There is no support for recycler view's adapter in RxAndroid, right?
Jan 08 17:36:13 <thepoosh> raoul11: hi hi
Jan 08 17:40:02 <thepoosh> well, I'm not sure it's a good idea but I'm planning on writing an annotation processor to clone a git repo and parse a file from there
Jan 08 17:40:09 <thepoosh> to generate analytics code
Jan 08 17:40:21 <thepoosh> and something tells me it's overkill
Jan 08 17:41:46 <CedricBeust> Why clone the whole repo if you just need one file?
Jan 08 17:43:01 <thepoosh> because in order to get access to the raw file on bitbucket I'll have to
Jan 08 17:43:07 <thepoosh> unless there is a better option
Jan 08 17:43:13 <thepoosh> which I would love to hear
Jan 08 17:50:32 <cristian_c> hi
Jan 08 17:50:49 <cristian_c> I've got a widget composed by a linearlayout, and inside it there are an imagebutton and an imageview. Using this method, the bottom imageview (stripe) is not displayed anymore
Jan 08 17:50:50 <thepoosh> hi
Jan 08 17:50:54 <thepoosh> g00s: super meh
Jan 08 17:51:15 <thepoosh> is that a question?
Jan 08 17:51:22 <g00s> thepoosh indeed (meh)
Jan 08 17:52:02 <Melatonina> cristian_c: cool story bro
Jan 08 17:52:12 <g00s> i don't really pay attention to /r/androidev or androidweekly any more though
Jan 08 17:52:32 <Melatonina> cristian_c: I wish my life was as cool as yours
Jan 08 17:53:54 <cristian_c> widget.xml: http://pastebin.com/zwPeFfuK
Jan 08 17:55:04 <cristian_c> How could I change layout in order to make the imageview appearing again without inserting new bad effects?
Jan 08 17:55:14 <cristian_c> any ideas?
Jan 08 17:55:21 <Melatonina> cristian_c: the imagebutton takes the whole height, the second is out
Jan 08 17:55:46 <cristian_c> yes, it's roght
Jan 08 17:55:51 <Melatonina> cristian_c: second = ImageView
Jan 08 17:55:57 <Melatonina> cristian_c: don't do it
Jan 08 17:55:58 <cristian_c> *right
Jan 08 17:56:12 <cristian_c> How could OI solve, instead?
Jan 08 17:56:17 <Melatonina> If the second has a fixed height
Jan 08 17:56:31 <Melatonina> you may want the first to have height="0dp" weight="1"
Jan 08 17:56:42 <cristian_c> yeah, it has to be always 4dp
Jan 08 17:57:07 <Melatonina> then do as I wrote
Jan 08 17:57:10 <cristian_c> ah, ok
Jan 08 17:57:27 <cristian_c> but 0sp is a foxed size
Jan 08 17:57:32 <cristian_c> *0dp
Jan 08 17:57:36 <cristian_c> *fixed
Jan 08 17:57:42 * cristian_c dislexic
Jan 08 17:58:13 <cristian_c> but, I'll try btw
Jan 08 17:58:53 * cristian_c is afraid maybe this is not the definitive attempt
Jan 08 17:59:15 <cristian_c> I hope to solve definitely (I've tried many methods)
Jan 08 18:01:03 <Melatonina> You are not dyslexic
Jan 08 18:01:21 <cristian_c> I've typed wrong letters on this virtual keyboard
Jan 08 18:01:37 <Melatonina> which is not the definition of being dyslexic
Jan 08 18:06:36 <cristian_c> ok, I'm looking at weight property
Jan 08 18:07:29 <cristian_c> ok, layout_weight
Jan 08 18:11:23 <cristian_c> Melatonina: :O
Jan 08 18:11:27 <cristian_c> good widget
Jan 08 18:11:37 <cristian_c> (a bit bigger, but good)
Jan 08 18:11:45 <cristian_c> screenshot coming
Jan 08 18:12:01 <Melatonina> yeah, we are waiting to see your screenshot
Jan 08 18:12:26 * Melatonina stares at the screen impatiently
Jan 08 18:14:18 <cristian_c> ok, done, uploading on imgur...
Jan 08 18:15:35 <cristian_c> http://imgur.com/a/1Pdmf
Jan 08 18:16:21 <Melatonina> Cool
Jan 08 18:16:22 <cristian_c> my widget is widget right od first one
Jan 08 18:16:29 <cristian_c> *right of
Jan 08 18:16:31 <Melatonina> Good job
Jan 08 18:16:37 <cristian_c> I've done nothing
Jan 08 18:16:43 <Melatonina> Are you happy with it?
Jan 08 18:17:02 <cristian_c> no bad effects, only it's bigger than the left widget
Jan 08 18:17:15 <cristian_c> It'snalmost perfect
Jan 08 18:17:23 <mobidevelop> Why are you not just using a background?
Jan 08 18:17:44 <cristian_c> imagebutton uses a background
Jan 08 18:18:40 <cristian_c> Melatonina: ok, it's good, anyway
Jan 08 18:18:45 <cristian_c> difference is minimal
Jan 08 18:19:02 <cristian_c> mobidevelop: ah, sorry, I've disabled the icon
Jan 08 18:19:09 * cristian_c didn't understand
Jan 08 18:19:45 <cristian_c> mobidevelop: I've disabled the icon, so I could see the size in the tests
Jan 08 18:20:12 <cristian_c> size of the icon respect of background
Jan 08 18:21:02 <mobidevelop> I guess if you are trying to make something like the left, just make a single ImageButton with the background and icon - a container plus image button and image view is overkill
Jan 08 18:21:22 <cristian_c> (if it's centered, etc...)
Jan 08 18:22:30 <cristian_c> mobidevelop: currently, widget (by linearlayout) contains two objects: an imagebutton and an imageview
Jan 08 18:22:46 <cristian_c> imagebutton is just icon + background
Jan 08 18:23:06 <cristian_c> imageview is the bottom strip, of 4dp length
Jan 08 18:23:27 <mobidevelop> Yes, but you could accomplish the exact same thing with the ImageButton background
Jan 08 18:23:48 <cristian_c> ah, you mean adding stripe to imagebutton
Jan 08 18:24:01 <cristian_c> so, only imagebutton for the widget
Jan 08 18:24:05 <mobidevelop> Indeed
Jan 08 18:25:27 <cristian_c> btw,the current today version works, if you looked at my several screenshot, you'd see many 'freaks/monster' widgets attempts
Jan 08 18:25:34 <cristian_c> and very awful
Jan 08 18:26:23 <cristian_c> the last widget is better than all the previous attempts until now
Jan 08 18:27:12 <adq> omg
Jan 08 18:37:08 <Melatonina> cristian_c: what are you going to do now?
Jan 08 18:37:37 <cristian_c> after widget creation?
Jan 08 18:38:25 <cristian_c> it's a widget for usbumount app (activity is jot very suitable in order to use the app)
Jan 08 18:40:07 <cristian_c> using a widget with a holo menu is better and smart (power control widget/toggle, like sync, wifi, etc... )
Jan 08 18:50:33 <iresf> hello everyone
Jan 08 18:50:51 <iresf> any android developer from Persia ?
Jan 08 19:04:06 <KukOrkan> when using gridlayout, how can i set the margins for each row evenly?
Jan 08 19:04:46 <KukOrkan> spacing between rows seems to depend the highest view in the row
Jan 08 19:16:32 <Syzygy> I have a CardView with layout_behavior="@string/bottom_sheet_behavior", when i expand it it opens to full size, but then snaps back to about half size for some reason. any idea why that might be the case?
Jan 08 19:24:47 <Syzygy> when I expand it, the bottom sheet callback gets called, first with STATE_SETTLING and then with STATE_EXPANDED. When I manually drag it to be fully expanded it, also has STATE_EXPANDED, even though they're expanded to different sizes.
Jan 08 20:13:56 <munowse> I'm trying to initiate a TileService from onStartCommand, but: https://gist.github.com/munowse/e365b509d2eb7aad7ab7e24db61944e2
Jan 08 20:16:21 <munowse> it seems that the tile is null, thought i initialized it
Jan 08 20:16:25 <munowse> *though
Jan 08 20:22:58 <SimonVT> You don't initialize it, you call a method that's defined as returning a Tile. In your case it's returning null instead of a Tile instance
Jan 08 20:23:10 <SimonVT> Chances are you're using TileService wrong, try finding a tutorial or something
Jan 08 20:24:11 <SimonVT> Or well, you initialized it as null
Jan 08 20:26:58 <munowse> SimonVT It seems as if I can't call getQSTile() within onStartCommand, as it just returns null
Jan 08 20:27:16 <munowse> If I call it elsewhere, in a method that isn't inherited, then it works fine
Jan 08 20:27:49 <SimonVT> There you go
Jan 08 20:28:36 <munowse> SimonVT but where should I call it, so its still accessible to onStartCommand?
Jan 08 20:29:32 <SimonVT> If it returns null in onStartCommand, then it wont be accessible in onStartCommand
Jan 08 20:30:12 <munowse> SimonVT ok.
Jan 08 20:42:17 <munowse> Does anyone know an efficent way to change variables of a running service without repetedly calling onStartService with passed vars in a bundle?
Jan 09 01:02:59 <puff> Evening.
Jan 09 01:11:27 <TacticalJoke> Evenin'.
Jan 09 02:20:43 <puff> Hm, I'm trying to increase the font size in android studio, I'm in File/Settings/Editor/Font but the actual font size input is grayed out.
Jan 09 02:21:21 <g00s> yes, thats because you have to copy the default profile to a custom one
Jan 09 02:21:35 <g00s> look at the top of the dialog
Jan 09 02:22:37 <puff> Ah-hah, have to do save as and then it's editable.
Jan 09 02:30:45 <Moggle> hey there, i'm trying to make a little bit of modular code, and it needs to register callbacks for USB devices being connected/disconnected.
Jan 09 02:30:49 <Moggle> the issue is, you want to register/unregister receivers for this in an activity's code - this means anywhere i want to use this code, i'll need to put extra code calling the appropriate methods of my code doing this.
Jan 09 02:30:56 <Moggle>  is there any way to register *extra* callbacks for onStart/onStop?
Jan 09 02:31:17 <Moggle> like, just given a Context
Jan 09 02:31:23 <Moggle> can i register extra callbacks for it
Jan 09 02:31:30 <Moggle> or am i fundamentally confused on things
Jan 09 02:34:26 <puff> Moggle: I'm confused trying to understand what you want to do :-)
Jan 09 02:34:44 <Moggle> okay, so say normal code wants to register usb devices
Jan 09 02:34:59 <Moggle> you'll create an intent filter and call context.registerReceiver
Jan 09 02:35:06 <puff> Right.
Jan 09 02:35:12 <Moggle> you're supposed to call unregisterReceiver in the onStop method in turn, right?
Jan 09 02:35:23 <Moggle> i'm making a library of sorts
Jan 09 02:35:39 <Moggle> i would like it to "automatically" deal with that so the end user just needs to create an instance of a class in my code
Jan 09 02:35:48 <Moggle> and it'll handle everything without them needing to change three separate locations
Jan 09 02:36:05 <Moggle> so ideally, in the onCreate method of an activity, they'll do whatever = new MoggleClass()
Jan 09 02:36:23 <Moggle> and the MoggleClass sets up callbacks for onStop/onStart where it can do the registering
Jan 09 02:36:27 <puff> Moggle: And then in MoggleClass's constructor, it'll call context.registerReceiver?
Jan 09 02:36:30 <Moggle> right.
Jan 09 02:36:33 <Moggle> though ideally
Jan 09 02:36:36 <Moggle> it doesn't do it in the constructor
Jan 09 02:36:42 <Moggle> but instead registers a callback for onStart and does it there.
Jan 09 02:36:58 <puff> Moggle: So you'd have to pass the context in to MoggleClass, either into the constructor or in some other methods.
Jan 09 02:37:03 <Moggle> right, i'm doing that.
Jan 09 02:37:16 <Moggle> my issue is calling unregisterReceiver when the context's onStop/onPause are called.
Jan 09 02:37:30 <Moggle> it's not easy to add code to do that - the user would have to take an instance of my class and call .cleanup() or something
Jan 09 02:37:30 <puff> Moggle: When you say "a callback for onStart", what do you mean?
Jan 09 02:37:58 <Moggle> when an activity's onStart/onStop are called, I would like to have *my* code's registerReceiver/unregisterReceiver called
Jan 09 02:38:05 <Moggle> but I do not want the end-user of my library to have to manually do that
Jan 09 02:38:26 <Moggle> i would like for them to pass in a context when instantiating my class, and then i handle the rest
Jan 09 02:38:33 <puff> Moggle: Wouldn't the programmer using your code just override onStart() and onPause() in their activity and call this.moggleClass.onStart()/onPause() (or whatever corresponding methods)?
Jan 09 02:38:39 <puff> Ah, I see.
Jan 09 02:38:58 <puff> Hm... I am not an expert on any of this by far, but nothing I've seen so far suggests that's likely to be possible.
Jan 09 02:39:05 <Moggle> i figured. that's unfortunate.
Jan 09 02:39:24 <puff> The "flavor" of the way Android does things, so far as I've been able to tell, is to just hard-code it in the Activity class.
Jan 09 02:39:30 <puff> Activity subclass.
Jan 09 02:39:47 <Moggle> my issue with that is that it's ugly and error prone :)
Jan 09 02:39:51 <Moggle> it's not the end of the world but
Jan 09 02:39:58 <Moggle> i guesssssss i'll just have to suck it up.
Jan 09 02:40:02 <puff> Not that I necessarily disagree, but I feel like there's a lot of clutter around the Activity subclass that's maybe due to that general approach.
Jan 09 02:40:07 <TacticalJoke> Moggle: It's almost certainly impossible.
Jan 09 02:40:16 <TacticalJoke> Note that event buses require users to do this manual wiring.
Jan 09 02:40:24 <TacticalJoke> e.g., look at the code sample here: https://github.com/greenrobot/EventBus
Jan 09 02:40:30 <puff> I am currently trying to detangle a 3700 line Activity
Jan 09 02:40:40 <puff> ...class, coded by an undergrad. :-)
Jan 09 02:40:44 <Moggle> yeahhhhhhh see that's why i don't want users to have to do it, things are awful enough as it is
Jan 09 02:41:01 <puff> Nice guy, but he was learning.
Jan 09 02:41:07 <Moggle> i'm new to android programming, so i'm still sort of feeling my way around the ecosystem
Jan 09 02:41:11 <Moggle> thanks for the feedback
Jan 09 02:41:15 <Moggle> i'll take a look at this TacticalJoke.
Jan 09 02:41:21 <TacticalJoke> Moggle: If you use MVP/MVC/whatever, you can easily end up with small activities.
Jan 09 02:41:41 <TacticalJoke> MVC actually makes it really simple (but testability suffers).
Jan 09 02:41:59 <Moggle> yeah, i'm sure it's possible to keep it manageable
Jan 09 02:42:34 <Moggle> but i find any code where i have to manually keep two code chunks synchronized (for every register, i need an unregister) very easy to screw up
Jan 09 02:42:45 <Moggle> so every time i see that in android i'm sort of internally freaking out
Jan 09 02:43:12 <TacticalJoke> Right, but I can't imagine any way around this.
Jan 09 02:43:23 <Moggle> i'm looking into Fragments
Jan 09 02:43:39 <Moggle> they seem to be "mini-activities"? they might work for what i want
Jan 09 02:43:45 <Moggle> if you can just embed them in an activity
Jan 09 02:43:56 <Moggle> do they get onStart/onStop callbacks if they do they'd be perfect i'll look into that
Jan 09 02:44:52 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, they get those callbacks, but I don't think they really help here.
Jan 09 02:45:36 <Moggle> well theoretically users could just use my "fragment" in every single one of their activities
Jan 09 02:45:51 <Moggle> and my fragment could just not have any actual UI displayed
Jan 09 02:45:53 <Moggle> but looking into things, that seems like it would be an absurd hack
Jan 09 02:46:08 <Moggle> i'll just suck it up and deal with the onStart/onStop manually i guess :) thanks again for the feedback guys
Jan 09 02:46:55 <Zharf> I think I've seen libraries trying to hook themselves to activity callbacks somehow but I can't remember what those were
Jan 09 02:47:01 <Zharf> or if they even really worked properly
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