**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 04 03:00:03 2017 Feb 04 03:53:48 i am unable to minimize or exit my app. my first two activities are for sign in puropose, so they redirect to 3rd screen if those credentials are already present. i am using finish() and System.exit(0) to exit from 3rd screen but they always end up showing 3rd screen. how can this problem be solved? Feb 04 03:54:36 exit is incorrect Feb 04 03:54:53 what should be used then? Feb 04 04:00:30 how are you moving to the third screen from the other two Feb 04 04:01:50 it automatically checks if credentials are saved in sharedpreferences, if they are then it forwards to next activities Feb 04 04:03:29 oh so the third screen exits back into itself? Feb 04 04:03:31 is that the issue Feb 04 04:03:40 yes Feb 04 04:04:17 could be the System.exit then Feb 04 04:04:38 not working Feb 04 04:04:45 I don't think you're supposed to use that Feb 04 04:05:39 not for mobile Feb 04 04:06:43 abhi__: Why not make the current 3rd screen the main activity. When this launches, if the user isn't logged in, it shows the other activities. This is much simpler. Feb 04 04:07:09 It sounds like your 1st and 2nd screens are secondary screens, not primary screens. Feb 04 04:07:58 makes sense Feb 04 04:08:07 TacticalJoke: yes, that would be much better. this will even save redirects Feb 04 04:08:55 ok, i got it working using finishActivity(), i think it closes all activies at once even first and second one. Feb 04 04:09:16 sorry, finishAffinity(); Feb 04 04:10:01 Though, i would go with solution provided by TacticalJoke. Thanks Feb 04 04:17:20 or you could chain your activity start and finish with onresult Feb 04 04:17:49 when third activity is finished, onresult on the second handles it and finish itself if necessary, and so on Feb 04 04:18:44 but maybe you need to rethink your UX, 3 activity for login might be too much, or maybe use some fragment, some dialog, etc, it's up to you Feb 04 04:21:01 adq: only 2 activities are for login, first one if for authentication, second for is for choosing username. i think it's ok as this will be only for one time Feb 04 04:21:23 word Feb 04 04:24:47 anyone know what the 100.0f in the accepted answer is for? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7608464/android-custom-ui-with-custom-attributes Feb 04 04:27:26 It's a default value for when a real value isn't present. Feb 04 04:27:40 100.0f is arbitrary, though. Feb 04 04:27:49 oh ok, that makes sense Feb 04 04:27:54 thanks! Feb 04 04:28:28 I can't believe that bottomsheetbehavior is so hard to change the behavior for Feb 04 04:28:36 just to modify 4 lines of code I had to copy/paste the entire class :( Feb 04 04:30:51 man reading this whole activities stuff makes me laugh lol Feb 04 04:35:56 TacticalJoke you there? Feb 04 04:36:04 Yeah. Feb 04 04:36:12 im not sure if you said anything yesterday after i left Feb 04 04:36:34 you asked me what i meant about selecting and deleting something Feb 04 04:37:01 Yeah, jus that. I realised you left after that. Feb 04 04:37:02 just* Feb 04 04:38:57 yeah sorry i stepped out for the night. what i was saying is, if i have a LinkedList of N size displayed in a ListView, when its presented in the ListView, i store the items inside the ViewHolder as well as the Views, and if i want to delete something, i have to LinkedList.remove() by object. instead of by iterator like in standard c++, and i assume that searches the list and compares, Feb 04 04:38:57 which makes me wanna puke. you seem like youd know something more than i do about java and lists, so idk if theres anything going on behind the scenes Feb 04 04:39:04 im pretty fluent in c++, but not so much java Feb 04 04:39:57 becasue from what i read, iterators are invalidated when a LinkedList is modified in anyway. unless i read wrong, but i assume thats because the iterators lie in the middle and dont store the node itself inside them like a standared c++ iterator Feb 04 04:40:26 they have next and previous nodes instead of a node itself from what i saw Feb 04 04:41:50 im not sure if internally java has something special in terms of lists and objects or what, but. i just find it pretty bad to only have a remove by object and index Feb 04 04:42:17 you can remove using the iterator Feb 04 04:42:19 does java by some chance, internally, store where objects are in a list, inside the object itself? Feb 04 04:42:34 chek i understand that, but i read they are invalid if a LinkedList is modified Feb 04 04:42:58 emceelovin: (nice nick by the way Superbad reference?) LinkedList is pretty much assuredly the wrong structure for whatever you want to do Feb 04 04:43:00 unless the way it was modified by calling that method Feb 04 04:43:10 CedricBeust exactly lol. nickname for a long time Feb 04 04:43:55 the fact that there are so many ways to do something that should only be done one way, annoys me Feb 04 04:44:25 I lack some context, can you summarize what you're trying to do? Feb 04 04:44:34 CedricBeust random access is really never a concern for me. inserting/deleting is usually the concern most of the time Feb 04 04:44:51 Even if these are you only concerns, LinkedList is a bad choice Feb 04 04:45:04 well i really dont know my wya around java, and dont care for it, what else is there? Feb 04 04:45:05 your types are reference types anyway Feb 04 04:45:37 so an arraylist is vaguely like vector in C++ Feb 04 04:45:40 to me, everything seems bad in java, but i have no choice with android Feb 04 04:45:45 thats what i figured Feb 04 04:45:52 yeah I don't like it either Feb 04 04:45:57 i assumed ArrayList was equivalent to std::vector Feb 04 04:46:11 and LinkedList was equivalent to std::list likewise Feb 04 04:46:18 no, in fact ArrayList where T is a primitive non-reference type isn't even allowed Feb 04 04:46:21 but a name like ArrayList just makes no sense and sound stupid Feb 04 04:46:21 another javaism Feb 04 04:46:30 it's called that because it's a type of List Feb 04 04:46:45 emceelovin: ArrayList is an implementation of List, one which happens to use an array under the hood. Feb 04 04:46:51 std::vector in a way is kinda the same. most people would think why std::vector, but it is what it is Feb 04 04:46:54 i just think java is cancer Feb 04 04:47:09 makes sense. i did notice that List was the base class for them all, so i get it Feb 04 04:47:34 LinkedList is not equivalent to std::list (as far as I remember from std anyway). Bottom line: don't use LinkedList in Java, use ArrayList Feb 04 04:47:42 i just dont know java enough i guess, but its so insane to think that an iterator is invalid if a list is modified Feb 04 04:47:49 LinkedList seems like std::list to me Feb 04 04:47:56 thats what i figured. so what is it lol? Feb 04 04:48:29 Modifying collections as you traverse them is dangerous, but it can be made safe if you use an iterator Feb 04 04:48:34 between androids bastardized api and java, i almost comitted suicide like 15 times since i started iwth android Feb 04 04:48:53 i always used the preferred method. just java is foreign to me in a lot of cases still Feb 04 04:49:18 i wasnt talking about modifying them as i traverse them thohgh. i know how to handle that. at least in c++ Feb 04 04:50:05 You know that you can always program your own data structures with the properties you want, right? Feb 04 04:50:15 Android didn't bastardize anything, you can use 100% compatible API's Feb 04 04:50:18 I'm also curious about what CedricBeust is asking. I'd ask why you're using LinkedList for the data backing a ListView. Feb 04 04:50:19 Java in Android Feb 04 04:50:21 Melatonina yeah i actually ended up writing my own linked list Feb 04 04:50:22 if I need to modify the value of one field in an android parent class, but the field is private not protected, is it more hacky to use reflection to change the value, or copy/paste the entire class? Feb 04 04:50:40 kind of torn on what to do Feb 04 04:50:49 Even in C++, you pretty much hardly ever, ever, use a linked list Feb 04 04:51:06 really Feb 04 04:51:13 i was just about to say the saem thing lol. Feb 04 04:51:16 i use them fairly often Feb 04 04:51:50 you can do all sorts of insertions/removals/splices/etc without needing to move-construct the rest of the list, for instance Feb 04 04:51:51 i dont have a problem with a LinkedList with a ListView. its actually really fast since, from what i read, when you use LinkedList.get(), the current position is stored Feb 04 04:51:56 boomber: It's probably more sensible to go the copy-and-paste route. The reflection path entails your code potentially breaking when the Android code changes. Feb 04 04:52:15 so the incrementing of the current position with sucessive gets() is hardly noticeable while i gain O(1) insertion/deletion Feb 04 04:52:26 Though Facebook does it with the Android framework. There are things they can't change because of Facebook (and probably others). Feb 04 04:52:48 emceelovin: Why are you using LinkedList here at all? Feb 04 04:52:49 chek yeah. std::list is a beast. even with c++11. Feb 04 04:53:14 because i have 1000 items. idk how java handles the internal data structure, but im not gonna assume its gonna be efficient Feb 04 04:53:25 and im gonna treat it like its a regular dynamic array constnatly reconstructed Feb 04 04:53:57 LinkedList should be getting you a linked list Feb 04 04:54:04 TacticalJoke: makes sense, just feels so ugly :l Feb 04 04:54:06 But what else is the reason? Having 1k items alone is not reason to use a linked list. Are you saying you're adding and deleting items a lot? If so, how often? Feb 04 04:54:07 it's just the elements are all references instead of actual values Feb 04 04:54:15 TacticalJoke potentially yes Feb 04 04:55:16 like i said, if my ListView is displaying like 20 things, the fact that LinkedList.get() stores the current position, scrolling through the LinkedList really isnt noticeable AT ALL. its really fast still. even if i fling it insanely hard Feb 04 04:55:44 say i fling it hard enough to cause get() to move 50 times. thats picoseconds Feb 04 04:56:02 so, what's the problem? Feb 04 04:56:05 ArrayList.get is gonna be faster than any linked list's `get`. ArrayList.get simply queries an array. Feb 04 04:56:29 yes i understand that, but like i said im not randomly accessing other than the scrolling. which is helped out by get() storing the current position Feb 04 04:56:31 Well, for the int one. Feb 04 04:56:45 i understand the differences between the two data structures. just java is weird Feb 04 04:56:57 if c++11/14 were a woman id marry it Feb 04 04:57:16 still not sure why there isnt a standard socket implementation, but its whatever i guess Feb 04 04:57:40 you could create a C++ interpreter in Java and program against that Feb 04 04:57:54 that just seems like a lot of time i dont wanna invest lol. i only care about this one app really Feb 04 04:58:04 Hi. I want to see and control my phone with my laptop. Is there a way to do that strictly from the phone. With a USB cable of course. Feb 04 04:58:09 i dont plan on making a whole lot more honestly. except like one, byut maybe that will change Feb 04 04:58:13 emceelovin: LinkedList is not O(1) deletion. What if you need to delete the last item? Feb 04 04:58:35 well i dont know how LinkedList is fully. im talking about std::list Feb 04 04:58:38 well, what's the use case that is causing the problem? Feb 04 04:58:40 LinkedList is doubly linked? Feb 04 04:58:43 how would where the position is inside the list matter? that makes zero sense Feb 04 04:58:45 emceelovin: Java is very efficient manipulating an ArrayList. Like I said, it should be your default choice. Feb 04 04:59:07 i guess ill switch it. ill just go read more about it, but i really dont want to. i just hate java Feb 04 04:59:12 tripelb: Control your phone how? Feb 04 04:59:12 yeah why is deleting the last element not O(1) on LinkedList? Feb 04 04:59:19 what chek said Feb 04 04:59:36 maybe it isnt doubly, but i read it was and its cyclic Feb 04 04:59:41 How about deleting an element in the middle of a LinkedList? What order is it? Feb 04 04:59:42 soooo Feb 04 04:59:56 And two: ANDCHAT IRC client no longer works on freenode, snoonet because something has changed. I suspect marshmallow. I hope someone adopts it. It is Abandonware. Feb 04 05:00:01 it's O(1) if you delete from an iterator, guys! Feb 04 05:00:02 if you dont have anything representing this middle item, then of course youd have to search for it Feb 04 05:00:13 but who doesnt store anything in a list somewhere with an item or anywhere? Feb 04 05:00:32 If that iterator is positioned on that element, sure. But what time did it take you to get there, Melatonina ?\ Feb 04 05:00:32 Melatonina right, thats the only way ive ever known to delete something. which in c++, stores the actual node pointer itself Feb 04 05:00:43 CedricBeust who doesnt store iterators with objects? Feb 04 05:00:48 i ALWAYS do Feb 04 05:00:53 but i cant in java, apparently Feb 04 05:01:00 You're missing the point. LinkedList's random access is O(n). Period. Feb 04 05:01:01 if i add anything into the list, it gets an iterator Feb 04 05:01:10 tripelb: I think #android might be a better place for these questions. This is for Android-app development. Feb 04 05:01:10 im not missing that. im well aware of how a linked list works Feb 04 05:01:16 ArrayList's random access is O(1) Feb 04 05:01:17 not just LinkedList, but a linked list itself Feb 04 05:01:20 http://imgur.com/a/JCl4F some screens i'm working on, kinda mimicked youtube apps for the preview screen: http://imgur.com/a/Cg623 still need minor adjustements Feb 04 05:01:22 i understand that too Feb 04 05:01:40 Then use an ArrayList. And if you feel you should use a linked list, defend your case. Feb 04 05:01:42 heres my thing, if i have a ListView, each row WILL have the object im listing attached to it. via the viewholder Feb 04 05:02:02 CedricBeust: I'm saying that when people say "deleting from a linked list is O(1)", that's what they are referring to. Feb 04 05:02:06 because its fast to insert/delete when i dont need random access? Feb 04 05:02:38 Deleting from a linked list is O(n), not O(1). Feb 04 05:02:38 TacticalJoke: the idea is that I can see the phone screen in the laptop (and not just in portrait), and use the laptop keyboard and touchpad. I have seen many ways mentioned that do some (or all) of these things. I want to do not just from the phone. (I was told not is possible but by a somewhat snotty and superior boy. Feb 04 05:02:51 100% of the time, at least in c++, i WILL have an iterator that internally points to the node, that will not be invalidated if i modify the list at any point(unless its that item, but then thats just random if that happens) Feb 04 05:03:00 always measure and profile Feb 04 05:03:01 CedricBeust since when? Feb 04 05:03:16 Again, for the iterator to point to the right element, you'll have to walk the list n times. So it's O(n) Feb 04 05:03:19 ive never seen a case, or a piece of code, where someone doesnt delete with an iterator Feb 04 05:03:20 maybe/probably the bottleneck is not where you think it is, but it's still good to take in account bigo Feb 04 05:03:22 CedricBeust: well, I've just said what it's meant with that sentence. Feb 04 05:03:31 emceelovin: Hmm, I'm not sure. I read on Google that it's possible. Feb 04 05:03:38 Oops, that's to tripelb . Feb 04 05:03:42 emceelovin: Because you're biased by the std way of doing things and exposing iterators for everything. Feb 04 05:03:43 TacticalJoke: to do this involves developer mode and commands. This then is the correct channel Feb 04 05:03:45 Iterators are not free. Feb 04 05:03:58 well java sucks Feb 04 05:04:06 yeah I'd suggest writing your own container at this point Feb 04 05:04:07 tripelb: This is Android-app development only, so I seriously question that. Feb 04 05:04:09 emceelovin: you already said it Feb 04 05:04:10 emceelovin: Not, that's not java. It's basic computer science. Feb 04 05:04:16 uh... Feb 04 05:04:24 who randomly deletes from a linked list though is my point Feb 04 05:04:28 i think youre misunderstanding... Feb 04 05:04:49 somewhere someone selected something, that SHOULD have, inside the object, its position into what its stored in Feb 04 05:04:50 this discussion is pointless Feb 04 05:04:54 which, in c++, would be an iterator Feb 04 05:05:09 std::erase(object->iterator) O(n) Feb 04 05:05:11 done. Feb 04 05:05:13 -_- Feb 04 05:05:15 O(1) Feb 04 05:05:25 now you made me type O(n) sob Feb 04 05:05:38 watch your tongue lol Feb 04 05:05:40 No, in a linked list, it's O(n). Again, this is not language dependent, it's a language independent truth about linked lists. Feb 04 05:05:44 well i called myself sob Feb 04 05:05:50 ummmm Feb 04 05:05:57 no? Feb 04 05:06:09 emceelovin: I don't think he understands how iterators work in C++ Feb 04 05:06:11 at all Feb 04 05:06:16 sure doesnt seem like it Feb 04 05:06:37 emceelovin: in the last 45 seconds you didn't say "Java sucks" Feb 04 05:06:42 lol Feb 04 05:06:46 I used to be a member of the C++ committee back when Stepanov proposed the STL. I think I can claim to a reasonable understanding of how it works. Feb 04 05:06:47 do you want me to>? Feb 04 05:06:56 you should get your money back Feb 04 05:07:06 Regardless, what I'm saying is universal. Nothing to do with Java, C++ or the STL. Feb 04 05:07:13 so where are you getting O(n) for removal using an iterator? Feb 04 05:07:17 its an EXTREMELY common thing to SetWindowLongPtr HWNDs in win32. the equivalent of setTag Feb 04 05:07:19 TacticalJoke: I have been dismissed. If it uses dev tools and dev mode the #android channel will dismiss me too. -- If anyone else else has some I terest let me know. !!! Feb 04 05:07:39 check: you have a linked list of 1237 elements. What's the amortized cost of deletion? Feb 04 05:07:55 and its ALWAYS a pointer to an object, which is inside a list, which stores an iterator with it. if its selected, you std::erase that iterator and poof. its gone O(1)stantly Feb 04 05:08:14 tripelb: I know what you mean. IRC is full of awful people. I'd answer if I could, but I don't know. I think there's a chance nobody in here will answer either. Feb 04 05:09:11 shouldnt they call it sti these days Feb 04 05:09:14 to be scientific Feb 04 05:10:04 it's O(1) dude Feb 04 05:10:11 CedricBeust, i dont understand how adjusting next/previous pointers in a list is O(n) Feb 04 05:10:22 yes Feb 04 05:10:24 If you thinking is full of awful people maybe you should try a different hannel or server. I am hire fond of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic there was an sdx? sda? channel of a different name that folded. Feb 04 05:10:42 emceelovin: It's not about adjusting, you need to get to the i'th element and your only way is walking through each element. Hence O(n). Feb 04 05:10:53 you literally just take the current nodes prev, and set its next to the current nodes next and vice versa Feb 04 05:10:54 you don't need to get to the i'th element Feb 04 05:10:54 TacticalJoke: ^^^^ Feb 04 05:10:56 as opposed to ArrayList's O(10 Feb 04 05:10:57 tripelb: All of IRC. Feb 04 05:10:57 you already have an interator to it Feb 04 05:10:59 Every server. Feb 04 05:11:00 CedricBeust yes i understand this Feb 04 05:11:07 iterator* Feb 04 05:11:08 which is ALWAYS from some kind of choice somewhere in a UI Feb 04 05:11:18 if i click an item in a list, in windows, i instnatly have an iterator to it in the list Feb 04 05:11:21 You gotta be shitaki me. Feb 04 05:11:32 tripelb that was probably the coolest thing ive heard today Feb 04 05:11:36 Or you're totally young Feb 04 05:11:36 maybe ever Feb 04 05:11:47 I'm 32. I've been on IRC since about 12. Feb 04 05:11:51 im 29. 30 in april Feb 04 05:11:56 I'm well aware of how awful IRC is. Let's not be in denial. Feb 04 05:11:57 same here lol. i stopped for a while though Feb 04 05:11:57 Bla I am here for tech. Feb 04 05:12:15 i remember when this is all i use to do, and then the channels i was on died and the game i played died, but now its back again Feb 04 05:12:25 Anyway, I was actually saying it in empathy for you, tripelb. Not sure why you're turning it around against me. Feb 04 05:12:39 emceelovin: I used to like Usenet more. Feb 04 05:12:40 CedricBeust: did you consider that you walk the list for other reasons too? that some element is more important than others? Thus you could have the correct iterator as result of other computations. In that case you only would consider O(1). That, obviously, the only real life case when you would use a linked list for deletion performance. Feb 04 05:12:45 Especially trolling the awfuls on Usenet. Feb 04 05:12:49 Maybe there is an art in the room who might else. Else, another day. Feb 04 05:12:49 my ISP always had shitty usenet limits :( Feb 04 05:12:54 like 2gb. i went through that in like 15 minutes Feb 04 05:13:04 Same here, but I never really used it for binaries. Feb 04 05:13:10 it was so awesome downloading stuff from the ISP cache servers Feb 04 05:13:14 its basically being on LAN with your ISP Feb 04 05:13:29 Oh I see. You are those kind of users. Yawn. Feb 04 05:13:56 Those kinds of users? Feb 04 05:14:49 CedricBeust: as I said, that's what people mean when they say that "deletion by iterator is O(1)". You already have the iterator, period. If you don't have it, that's another topic. Feb 04 05:15:21 Melatonina exactly. which i always assume is what people understand, because who randomly deletes something in a list? its something, to me, that happens very very seldomly Feb 04 05:15:40 im not saying it doesnt happen. im sure it does, but I almost ALWAYS have the iterator Feb 04 05:15:45 99.9% of the time Feb 04 05:15:59 what matters is choosing wisely the data structure based on the frequency/most expected operations Feb 04 05:16:24 i wrote a TCP server for my project, and i plan on it getting nailed with connections. which i want insertion/deletion performance, and i store iterators in my client_context's Feb 04 05:16:31 emceelovin: Are you able to give more info about you 1k data set and app? Feb 04 05:16:32 like if someone never delete or rarely, O(1) or O(n) or O(n²) won't matter much Feb 04 05:16:36 Melatonina: No matter how many special cases you come up with, random access in a linked list is O(n). Period. Can't believe this is even a discussion Feb 04 05:16:47 Yeah, I can't believe it either Feb 04 05:16:53 yes, random access is Feb 04 05:16:56 Nobody talked about random access Feb 04 05:16:56 but this isn't about random access Feb 04 05:17:13 Melatonina: This is as useless a statement as "Deleting an element that I already have a pointer to is O(1)". Feb 04 05:17:13 who mentioned random access? its kinda implied that people understand that a linked list isnt based on the fact that they chose a linked list... Feb 04 05:17:28 he already has an iterator to all of the things to delete Feb 04 05:17:28 LOL Feb 04 05:17:35 that happens like 100% of the time in a normal app Feb 04 05:17:45 christ Feb 04 05:17:59 No, you don't usually associate iterators to elements in a list. That's insane. Feb 04 05:18:05 you do Feb 04 05:18:07 ? Feb 04 05:18:08 well Feb 04 05:18:11 maybe *you* don't Feb 04 05:18:12 CedricBeust: "deleting an element what I already have a pointer to from an ArrayList is not O(1)" is not a useless statement Feb 04 05:18:23 who in their right mind wouldnt do that. ESPECIALLY and MAINLY in a graphjical app? Feb 04 05:18:26 List of 10,000 elements, you're going to create 10,000 iterators, each of them pointing to that element? How about just using a pointer? Feb 04 05:18:30 (I mean, a generic list backed by an array) Feb 04 05:18:32 ................ Feb 04 05:18:37 an iterator HAS a pointer in it Feb 04 05:18:41 in the standard library Feb 04 05:19:00 Ok I'm going to eat a salad, it will be more worth my time than this discussion. Feb 04 05:19:04 rofl Feb 04 05:19:19 CedricBeust: I agree with you Feb 04 05:19:59 im seriously in a parallel universe Feb 04 05:20:17 you really think that storing an iterator with an object is expensive? Feb 04 05:20:25 in c++ its 4 bytes extra on x86 Feb 04 05:20:27 please go back and close the stargate or the wormhole or whatever it is Feb 04 05:20:48 what was that thing that chick went through but never went through? forgot the name of that movie Feb 04 05:21:07 How do people crosses universe boundaries, usually? Feb 04 05:21:24 no they built that machine with the ball, and it was suppose to be some kind of travel thing Feb 04 05:22:45 but anyway, the fact that 4 bytes extra is a matter to a language that has SO MUCH metadata on objects, is really funny Feb 04 05:23:04 I need a salad too Feb 04 05:23:32 lol.. Feb 04 05:23:45 no wonder android/android apps suck. this mentality is cancer Feb 04 05:24:01 stage 4 terminal malignant Feb 04 05:24:16 you relate a lot of things to 'cancer' Feb 04 05:24:27 well cancer is severely bad, so Feb 04 05:24:47 i would say the majority of android apps "suck" because companies dump far too much money in their iOS version and get their iOS devs to "port" their app over Feb 04 05:25:06 i would say AS does not help sometimes Feb 04 05:25:09 i mean they arent THAT bad, but a lot could be better Feb 04 05:25:20 it's like, the whole universe preventing me to make my apps Feb 04 05:25:31 i actaully dont mind AS. i like it Feb 04 05:26:03 i keep forgetting to set it to multicore build though. can it even do that? Feb 04 05:26:04 it's a crazy ide, very good features, very nasty issues Feb 04 05:26:13 my 100 file project in VS builds in like 5 seconds Feb 04 05:26:18 use something else then Feb 04 05:26:27 yeah. maybe i dont notice it because like android, is hidden behind so much hardware lmfao Feb 04 05:26:46 emceelovin: you can make android apps in VS too Feb 04 05:26:57 i swear the tooltip that highlights lines yellow purposely plays games with me Feb 04 05:27:07 ill go to click next and itll go away. like hohoho, almost got it! Feb 04 05:27:28 Melatonina i know, but i figure id use the native IDE Feb 04 05:27:34 i wouldnt want to write win32 apps in android studio Feb 04 05:28:01 emceelovin: there is no native IDE. Android Studio doesn't run on Android Feb 04 05:29:13 i meant native to the developing im doing Feb 04 05:29:14 it's native to the sdk Feb 04 05:29:21 i figured that was implied Feb 04 05:29:29 im pretty sure i know it doenst run on android lol. Feb 04 05:45:02 emceelovin: what kind of Android application are you working on, if I may ask? Feb 04 05:57:46 I've some code like https://jsfiddle.net/e8hnk3on/ in a page, however, for some reason, the columns are strangely alligned http://imgur.com/a/9o0lm Feb 04 05:58:12 http://imgur.com/a/9yj6Y Feb 04 05:58:21 you made them that way Feb 04 05:59:18 well, why in the fiddle, they're correctly centered in the page, and in the other page aren't? you see the second rew seems like shifted Feb 04 05:59:32 and that happens only when I use space-around/between Feb 04 06:01:26 alex88: wrong channel? Feb 04 06:01:32 oh god Feb 04 06:01:35 sorry guys Feb 04 06:01:36 :D Feb 04 06:01:39 np Feb 04 06:01:43 I joined but didn't switch :/ Feb 04 06:01:48 sry again Feb 04 06:02:00 no need Feb 04 06:02:24 if it makes you feel better, do it Feb 04 06:02:43 pinch your cheek Feb 04 06:03:38 ahah :D Feb 04 06:17:40 a couple of weeks ago, some oem was mentioned for killing processes aggressively when the user pressed home - anyone remember who ? Feb 04 06:19:53 in android studio, is there a way to make a layout assume, or act as if it was(because it will be) inside a HorizontalScrollView? other than putting it in one until youre done designing and deleting it Feb 04 06:20:00 in the designer of course Feb 04 06:23:26 start pretending there is no Designer Feb 04 06:23:58 use only the XML editor and exercise your imagination Feb 04 06:24:05 that is a good point to. ive done what im doing before, because it repeats in my project, but i was just curious Feb 04 06:25:04 I really almost never watch you. I don't know for sure but I don't think so. Feb 04 06:25:41 sounds like you need a beer Feb 04 06:25:47 or youve had too many beers Feb 04 06:26:41 I don't drink alcohol Feb 04 06:27:03 that sucks Feb 04 06:27:16 emceelovin, you can use tools:showIn="@layout/alayoutwithanhorizontalview" Feb 04 06:27:43 hmmm Feb 04 06:27:47 thank you adq Feb 04 06:27:49 it will only be visible in the layout editor (if it previews correctly....) and not be available at runtime nor compiled Feb 04 06:28:07 i find tools: very useful Feb 04 06:28:18 its just interesting at how it assumes every layout is a main layout in the designer Feb 04 06:28:32 are you a drunkard? Feb 04 06:28:35 there should be options for "child" layouts or a way to set it as if its going to be inside a container Feb 04 06:28:50 Melatonina depends. what do you concider a drunkard? Feb 04 06:29:18 someone who think that not drinking alcohol sucks Feb 04 06:29:22 consider* Feb 04 06:29:26 i prefer to not talk about the layout editor, too many regressions though good stuff like blueprint but basic things still don't work properly Feb 04 06:29:29 afk Feb 04 06:29:30 why so judgemental towards alcohol? Feb 04 06:29:39 I am not Feb 04 06:29:43 seems like it Feb 04 06:29:57 you are the one who is judgmental about not drinking it Feb 04 06:30:05 or well, people who drink it are bad people it seems. nothing wrong with having a drink here and there and enjoying life Feb 04 06:30:21 its a joke not a penis. dont take it so hard Feb 04 06:30:31 i dont care if people dont drink lol. Feb 04 06:30:51 nothing wrong. I just don't like the taste of most alcoholic drinks Feb 04 06:30:56 including expensive ones Feb 04 06:31:03 neither do i, or most people, you just have to suck it up for the result Feb 04 06:31:19 well, THAT sucks Feb 04 06:31:22 the people who drink those at a bar are stupid. 4 dollars for a drink is ridiculous Feb 04 06:31:34 you can get like 2-4 beers for that price Feb 04 06:31:43 (at the bar) Feb 04 06:32:16 I enjoy some liquor in desserts Feb 04 06:32:19 that's all Feb 04 06:32:28 liquor is very strong, so i almsot always dont enjoy it Feb 04 06:32:29 but I don't eat desserts anymore Feb 04 06:32:34 i just find it useless in deserts at least Feb 04 06:32:47 if im not getting a good buzz or drunk, drinking ofany kind is useless Feb 04 06:32:54 all or none for me Feb 04 06:33:11 again, that sucks Feb 04 06:33:17 how so Feb 04 06:34:47 lots of people actually enjoy the taste of different kind of wines, beers and liquors. I guess they are actually the ones who enjoy drinking alcoholic drinks. If one just drinks for the booze, it's quite sad. Some diazepam would be a better choice Feb 04 06:35:06 more cheap, more healthy Feb 04 06:35:17 i do love wines, and i do understand people enjoy craft beer and the taste of liquor. i just dont know how Feb 04 06:35:27 liquor just has that taste and its ugh Feb 04 06:35:36 i extremely LOVE the taste of champagne Feb 04 06:35:54 ok. That's good Feb 04 06:36:17 my family is heavy on wine Feb 04 06:36:33 i think thats why. my dad use to give it to me here an there growing up. beer once in a while, but mostly wine Feb 04 06:44:48 Hey. Did Google remove all the documentation for building Android apps on the command line? All I can find is documentation on Android Studio. Feb 04 06:45:48 gs6: https://developer.android.com/studio/build/building-cmdline.html Feb 04 06:46:04 I have been trying to use Android Studio. It is slow and obscures how things work. If things don't go exactly according to the guide, it's hard to troubleshoot. Feb 04 06:46:24 gs6: you work on linux, right? Feb 04 06:47:09 Melatonina: Yes Feb 04 06:47:16 I knew it Feb 04 06:47:50 it's not Android Studio. It's linux. I never heard people complaining about having so much problems with Android Studio on Windows Feb 04 06:48:33 Is there any documentation on how to set up the file hierarchy? Android Studio creates a ton of shit in the project directory Feb 04 06:48:55 Like 2513 files Feb 04 06:50:19 Doesn't google work on Linux? They should port it to Linux too. With an emulator or something, at least Feb 04 06:50:30 Port what? Feb 04 06:50:39 Google Feb 04 06:50:49 Port Google? What does that mean? Feb 04 06:50:58