**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 08 02:59:56 2009
Nov 08 09:48:02 <serdar_> ahh
Nov 08 09:48:07 <serdar_> hello nslu2-log :)
Nov 08 09:49:11 <serdar_> jancona_, there?
Nov 08 11:35:50 <pbaxter> hello all..
Nov 08 11:35:55 <pbaxter> anz news serdar_ ?
Nov 08 12:01:16 <serdar_> what news?
Nov 08 12:01:30 <serdar_> larlin, ping?
Nov 08 12:02:19 <larlin> serdar_, pong
Nov 08 12:11:43 <pbaxter> serdar_: news about android on FR ?
Nov 08 12:16:21 <serdar_> larlin, http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/Support can you change it?
Nov 08 12:16:25 <serdar_> pbaxter, nothing
Nov 08 12:16:44 <larlin> yes I can
Nov 08 12:18:35 <larlin> but I don't know what to change and how?
Nov 08 12:19:12 <larlin> the only thing I see that is wrong there is the logs and I don't think we got any new logs anywhere
Nov 08 12:24:41 <serdar_> change and2moko to android-on-freerunner
Nov 08 12:24:44 <serdar_> everywhere
Nov 08 12:25:02 <serdar_> if you look the txt file is removed
Nov 08 12:25:50 <larlin> okay but is there a new text file?
Nov 08 12:26:32 <serdar_> yes
Nov 08 12:26:45 <serdar_> I said change all and2moko to android-on-freerunner
Nov 08 12:27:15 <larlin> fixed
Nov 08 12:27:25 <serdar_> thanks
Nov 08 12:40:33 <rteodor> hi, is there any way to see kernel messages behind the android logo ?
Nov 08 12:41:30 <rteodor> I know that with some older version it was possible, but I don't remember how i did it
Nov 08 12:42:08 <serdar_> you mean logcat?
Nov 08 12:42:27 <rteodor> no, boot messages
Nov 08 12:43:05 <serdar_> hmm
Nov 08 12:43:16 <rteodor> I try to install a new version and I can only see the logo ... for 20minutes allready
Nov 08 12:44:15 <larlin> rteodor, have you tried to restart it?
Nov 08 12:44:43 <rteodor> yes, a couple of times
Nov 08 12:44:46 <larlin> for some reason my phone seems to crasch on first boot after updater if I restart it, it works again
Nov 08 12:45:28 <larlin> rteodor, to bad no good suggestion then I don't think there is any method to get boot messages right now
Nov 08 12:45:55 <rteodor> i only want to see what it is happening because the image may be broken
Nov 08 12:48:10 <rteodor> ok, I will try with other version
Nov 08 12:48:23 <larlin> does the aux button flash red?
Nov 08 12:48:42 <rteodor> no, it is not
Nov 08 12:48:56 <rteodor> and I can see it in lsusb
Nov 08 12:49:36 <larlin> humm can you set up adb for it?
Nov 08 12:51:36 <rteodor> no, the interface won't come up
Nov 08 12:55:54 <larlin> and it is not visible with dfu-util?
Nov 08 13:05:48 <rteodor> I installed cupcake cw45 in the meantime
Nov 08 13:50:47 <Gnutoo> serdar_, am I in the good channel now?
Nov 08 13:51:22 <skillZ> hello
Nov 08 13:51:40 <skillZ> where is the best write up about getting android on my freerunner
Nov 08 13:51:42 <skillZ> ?
Nov 08 13:51:43 <larlin> hello and welcome her =)
Nov 08 13:51:46 <skillZ> thank you
Nov 08 13:51:47 <larlin> *here
Nov 08 13:52:12 <larlin> this should get you going:
Nov 08 13:52:12 <larlin> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/GetIt#Installing
Nov 08 13:52:16 <skillZ> i have qi installed and debian on it now
Nov 08 13:52:22 <skillZ> k
Nov 08 13:52:49 <serdar_> yes.
Nov 08 13:53:25 <skillZ> and the state of affairs
Nov 08 13:53:26 <skillZ> ?
Nov 08 13:53:31 <skillZ> problems?
Nov 08 13:53:39 <serdar_> what?
Nov 08 13:53:42 <larlin> very dependent on phone
Nov 08 13:53:43 <skillZ> how did you get a sim card for it
Nov 08 13:53:53 <serdar_> don't have affairs you get in trouble.
Nov 08 13:53:54 <skillZ> i used my old rogers one way back
Nov 08 13:54:02 <skillZ> but i have none now
Nov 08 13:54:04 <skillZ> lol
Nov 08 13:54:16 <pbaxter> skillZ: have you installed debian + android???
Nov 08 13:54:23 <skillZ> just debian
Nov 08 13:54:38 <skillZ> i think if i recall i have the original os and debian on the card
Nov 08 13:54:51 <larlin> a sim is probably good to have not sure if you can get it to work without it anyone else that run without sim?
Nov 08 13:54:57 <skillZ> but i have been waiting to install android
Nov 08 13:55:15 <audunb> works fine without sim
Nov 08 13:55:22 <skillZ> i don't know how to get one
Nov 08 13:55:23 <audunb> :)
Nov 08 13:55:29 <skillZ> all the telcos want to sell me a phone
Nov 08 13:55:32 <skillZ> not give me a sim
Nov 08 13:55:38 <skillZ> k
Nov 08 13:55:42 <larlin> skillZ, there is no easy way to install android on sdcard the installer will flash the internal flash
Nov 08 13:55:52 <skillZ> i don't mind
Nov 08 13:55:55 <skillZ> this is my toy for now
Nov 08 13:55:59 <skillZ> i am not dependent
Nov 08 13:56:07 <skillZ> i use it for gps with me eee
Nov 08 13:56:26 <larlin> skillZ, telecos that don't sell sim I think someone dosen't understand what business they are in... =)
Nov 08 13:56:46 <skillZ> lol
Nov 08 13:56:58 <skillZ> i am in canada
Nov 08 13:57:05 <skillZ> its telecommunications hell
Nov 08 13:57:28 <audunb> I wonder what went wrong over there :p
Nov 08 13:57:29 <skillZ> i have to give my first born child to get a phone
Nov 08 13:57:48 <skillZ> and a pound fo flesh
Nov 08 13:58:00 <audunb> haha
Nov 08 13:58:06 <larlin> haha sounds easy...
Nov 08 13:58:20 <larlin> audunb, maybe we should start a sim export bussines =)
Nov 08 13:58:41 <skillZ> and i have to agree that the telco can change anything anytime without notice
Nov 08 13:58:47 <skillZ> it is so ridiculous here
Nov 08 13:58:56 <skillZ> hence the reason for my purchase of my free runner
Nov 08 13:59:04 <skillZ> some time ago
Nov 08 13:59:07 <audunb> I got a fido sim for my european phone when I was staying there in 2005/2006. Expensive and ridiculous terms, but it worked..
Nov 08 13:59:09 <skillZ> i am a system admin
Nov 08 13:59:19 <skillZ> hmm
Nov 08 13:59:22 <larlin> move over to communist Europe =)
Nov 08 13:59:28 <skillZ> lol
Nov 08 13:59:36 <audunb> :)
Nov 08 13:59:37 <skillZ> funny the communists are more free than me
Nov 08 13:59:41 <skillZ> and i pya twice the taxes
Nov 08 13:59:51 <skillZ> i think
Nov 08 13:59:51 <audunb> I doubt that :p
Nov 08 13:59:57 <skillZ> jk
Nov 08 14:00:03 <audunb> <- norwegian
Nov 08 14:00:06 <skillZ> really it is silly here
Nov 08 14:00:13 <skillZ> i wish
Nov 08 14:00:15 <larlin> I too seriously doubt that :p <-- Swedish =)
Nov 08 14:00:26 <skillZ> i wish i couls be in sweden
Nov 08 14:00:37 <skillZ> i hear that you guys are in the right century
Nov 08 14:00:46 <skillZ> here our government is going backwards
Nov 08 14:00:50 <audunb> haha
Nov 08 14:01:47 <larlin> skillZ, well aren't all goverments going backwards all the time?
Nov 08 14:01:55 <skillZ> maybe
Nov 08 14:02:01 <skillZ> maybe i am just noticing it
Nov 08 14:02:38 <skillZ> but it seems that in the last few years my country has changed
Nov 08 14:02:44 <skillZ> for the worse
Nov 08 14:02:48 <skillZ> don't come here
Nov 08 14:03:25 <skillZ> anyway i am going to read this link and see if i understand what is to be done for android
Nov 08 14:03:30 <skillZ> thanks all
Nov 08 14:03:32 <larlin> but the norwegians(audunb) got all things set up alright they are filthy rich! With all that oil money
Nov 08 14:04:02 <skillZ> if i had a job in europe i would be gone in a second
Nov 08 14:04:23 <larlin> can't be that hard to find a sys admin job if you got some experience?
Nov 08 14:04:30 <skillZ> i do
Nov 08 14:04:43 <skillZ> i don't know how to look really and the immigration seems a night mare
Nov 08 14:04:57 <larlin> I don't know how the work permit and such work
Nov 08 14:05:02 <skillZ> but i sear i would pack up and go like lightning
Nov 08 14:05:38 <audunb> skillZ: I'm coming there in January :D
Nov 08 14:05:39 <larlin> yeah immigration could be a hassel but from Cananada it should be possible but don't quote me on that =)
Nov 08 14:05:47 <skillZ> i have degrees in theoretical physics and electronics engineering
Nov 08 14:06:18 <skillZ> i looked into it breifely
Nov 08 14:06:25 <skillZ> cant spell
Nov 08 14:06:43 <larlin> audunb, take skillZ with you back as luggage! =)
Nov 08 14:06:49 <skillZ> please
Nov 08 14:06:55 <audunb> I wouldn't assume you'd have any problems with immigration.. but I don't know
Nov 08 14:07:01 <skillZ> i just quit working for a internet provider
Nov 08 14:07:21 <skillZ> since the police started emailing me and asking for details on people without warrant
Nov 08 14:07:42 <skillZ> just liket hat no warrant no information as to why
Nov 08 14:07:46 <skillZ> just demand info
Nov 08 14:07:50 <skillZ> and the management was all for it
Nov 08 14:07:58 <skillZ> i said i think this is illegal
Nov 08 14:08:01 <audunb> that sucks.. I think we just ignored those requests at the ISP I was working for this summer
Nov 08 14:08:06 <larlin> skillZ, nice! that would make me mad
Nov 08 14:08:07 <skillZ> they looked at me like i had two noses
Nov 08 14:08:08 <rteodor> well, are you shure it was the police ?
Nov 08 14:08:27 <skillZ> exactly
Nov 08 14:08:33 <skillZ> just an email
Nov 08 14:08:42 <skillZ> it was  a disgrace for my country
Nov 08 14:08:51 <audunb> I don't think that was the police though..
Nov 08 14:09:01 <skillZ> it was i am pretty sure
Nov 08 14:09:18 <audunb> The requests we received, I mean
Nov 08 14:09:30 <skillZ> and then they asked me to fork copies of everyone's email for archive without customer knowledge
Nov 08 14:09:51 <larlin> everyones?
Nov 08 14:09:51 <audunb> which company was this? :p
Nov 08 14:09:55 <skillZ> execulink
Nov 08 14:09:59 <skillZ> terrible
Nov 08 14:10:03 <skillZ> and bell is the same
Nov 08 14:10:07 <skillZ> i am on bell now
Nov 08 14:10:14 <skillZ> but i encrypt everything
Nov 08 14:10:23 <rteodor> I knew it: Internet is not cool anymore
Nov 08 14:10:28 <skillZ> nope its gone
Nov 08 14:10:31 <skillZ> encrypt
Nov 08 14:10:34 <skillZ> everything
Nov 08 14:10:46 <skillZ> mark you these words
Nov 08 14:11:17 <skillZ> they tried to force me to do all kinds of illegal things
Nov 08 14:11:23 <skillZ> i could not believe my eyes
Nov 08 14:11:28 <skillZ> or ears
Nov 08 14:12:36 <d1b> skillZ: ....
Nov 08 14:12:38 <d1b> ROFL
Nov 08 14:12:39 <skillZ> i shit you not they wanted me to 7zip every single email
Nov 08 14:12:47 <d1b> skillZ: what is this?
Nov 08 14:12:51 <larlin> we got a law comming here that allowes the state to tap internet lines in very shady ways big fight about it but the goverment is stonned and allowed the bill to pass
Nov 08 14:13:20 <larlin> we also got all norwegian traffic going throw sweden so they aren't happy about it
Nov 08 14:13:20 <skillZ> dlb?
Nov 08 14:13:40 <d1b> larlin: what country?
Nov 08 14:13:45 <d1b> oh sweden...
Nov 08 14:13:50 <d1b> skillZ: like are you sure ?
Nov 08 14:13:55 <skillZ> i am in canada
Nov 08 14:13:55 <d1b> 4th thingy no....
Nov 08 14:14:00 <d1b> skillZ: OH canada
Nov 08 14:14:01 <skillZ> i am absolutely sure
Nov 08 14:14:09 <Zorkman> hi all,
Nov 08 14:14:10 <larlin> audunb, can't you make Norway declare war on Sweden over FRA so we can kill that?
Nov 08 14:14:11 <skillZ> i was designing the system to do these things
Nov 08 14:14:13 <d1b> yeah crypto is the only answer.
Nov 08 14:14:20 <skillZ> encrypt everything
Nov 08 14:14:24 <Zorkman> am i the only one who doesn't see any content in serdar's daily reviews?
Nov 08 14:14:28 <skillZ> and your hard drives too
Nov 08 14:14:30 <d1b> skillZ: issue is that most people don't
Nov 08 14:14:35 <skillZ> if you want any privacy
Nov 08 14:14:37 <d1b> and i have no control over what retards send me
Nov 08 14:14:41 <d1b> even if it is my data.
Nov 08 14:14:53 <larlin> Zorkman, if there is no commits the last 24 hours it's empty
Nov 08 14:15:21 <Zorkman> aha
Nov 08 14:15:23 <Zorkman> thanks
Nov 08 14:15:31 <larlin> d1b, skillZ then we got the problem with making communication anonymous again
Nov 08 14:15:39 <skillZ> yes
Nov 08 14:15:53 <skillZ> it is so bad i want to have my own phone
Nov 08 14:16:04 <larlin> the problem is that for lot's of people it's not that intresting what you say but to who you are talking
Nov 08 14:16:18 <skillZ> i don't do anything wrong
Nov 08 14:16:27 <skillZ> but i like to have privacy to talk with my family you know
Nov 08 14:16:37 <skillZ> and for business
Nov 08 14:16:53 <d1b> larlin: anonymous is not privacy
Nov 08 14:16:59 <larlin> and we got new laws in europe now that forces all telecoes to save the information about who you talk to and when and with what method
Nov 08 14:16:59 <d1b> you can't be anonymous and SECURE
Nov 08 14:17:03 <d1b> or that is VERY hard.
Nov 08 14:17:21 <d1b> larlin: not sure about australia here.
Nov 08 14:17:37 <d1b> but like would be interesting to crypto --> voip / over normal gsm
Nov 08 14:17:47 <d1b> people were talking about it in the early / better openmoko days...
Nov 08 14:17:56 <d1b> when cpu wasn't such an issue and glamo wasn't shit
Nov 08 14:17:59 <d1b>  / didn't know yet
Nov 08 14:18:00 <d1b> rofl
Nov 08 14:18:17 <d1b> look at ihu  / skype for normal people
Nov 08 14:18:31 <larlin> d1b, what I have heard austraila got some bad ass laws comming to but I can't say that I follow things that closely
Nov 08 14:18:43 <d1b> larlin: maybe. i run a tor relay node tho :)
Nov 08 14:18:46 <skillZ> i didn't follow either
Nov 08 14:18:51 <skillZ> i was just a sys admin
Nov 08 14:18:59 <skillZ> and then all these strange projects started
Nov 08 14:19:14 <d1b> any info in my gmail the govt has atm. really.
Nov 08 14:19:15 <skillZ> at first i thought ok
Nov 08 14:19:22 <d1b> minus some private stuff but i can't block in coming info
Nov 08 14:19:27 <d1b> as that's non crypted
Nov 08 14:19:29 <d1b> and i don't like that.
Nov 08 14:19:36 <skillZ> use gpg at least
Nov 08 14:19:40 <skillZ> exchange keys
Nov 08 14:19:41 <d1b> i want to say oi you guys send it to me with this gpg key
Nov 08 14:19:42 <larlin> I have followed the things in Sweden and some more and it is getting very uggly in total
Nov 08 14:19:55 <skillZ> it is
Nov 08 14:20:00 <d1b> larlin: sweden is very ugly
Nov 08 14:20:08 <d1b> what's the netherlands like atm?
Nov 08 14:20:20 <serdar_> hm?
Nov 08 14:20:26 <d1b> any better..
Nov 08 14:20:35 <d1b> like could use skype i guess...
Nov 08 14:20:42 <serdar_> don't fool with the operators :)
Nov 08 14:20:43 <d1b> if you trust that..
Nov 08 14:20:53 <larlin> in sweden some people started the pirateparty that has started to fight back in the political arena but it's hard
Nov 08 14:21:06 <skillZ> their is no fighting this
Nov 08 14:21:11 <d1b> larlin: we have that in australia
Nov 08 14:21:13 <skillZ> big money like a steam roller
Nov 08 14:21:17 <d1b> skillZ: fuck yeah there is
Nov 08 14:21:28 <skillZ> i am trying to
Nov 08 14:21:30 <d1b> its called civil rights.
Nov 08 14:21:33 <skillZ> but i can only fight for myself
Nov 08 14:21:43 <skillZ> other people around don't understand
Nov 08 14:21:48 <skillZ> so they don't care
Nov 08 14:21:54 <d1b> skillZ: dont' understand it really is different.
Nov 08 14:21:59 <d1b> it isn't like that.
Nov 08 14:22:18 <d1b> fear -> leads to the dark side!
Nov 08 14:22:25 <skillZ> i try
Nov 08 14:22:27 <d1b> so like seriously, 9/11 / terrorism fear
Nov 08 14:22:37 <d1b> is bigger than it should be and it is being used as an excuse
Nov 08 14:22:42 <d1b> and still is.
Nov 08 14:22:43 <skillZ> its not even 9/11 anymore
Nov 08 14:22:47 <d1b> "we need these laws"
Nov 08 14:22:48 <skillZ> now its everything
Nov 08 14:22:52 <d1b> --> seriously no we don't
Nov 08 14:22:58 <skillZ> i agree
Nov 08 14:23:01 <d1b> those laws are bullshit :)
Nov 08 14:23:35 <larlin> the FRA law in Sweden was motivated with "terrorists" last terrorist attack in Sweden was a *long* fucking tima ago
Nov 08 14:24:12 <d1b> good example
Nov 08 14:25:37 <larlin> and last time I checked terrorist didn't send unencrypted email throw Sweden =)
Nov 08 14:26:04 <d1b> for most people gpg is too hard.
Nov 08 14:26:16 <d1b> also sha1 is considered weak for signing and should be moved away from
Nov 08 14:26:19 <d1b> for example.
Nov 08 14:26:24 <d1b> that info most people don't know
Nov 08 14:26:25 <d1b> etc.
Nov 08 14:26:45 <d1b> promoting the use of gpg is good but you need it to be understood
Nov 08 14:26:50 <d1b> and probably easie rto use.
Nov 08 14:27:18 <d1b> if yuo had public / private crypto at half the strenght of gpg and 4X the easy of use or soemthing
Nov 08 14:27:24 <d1b> then it would be much wider used
Nov 08 14:27:28 <d1b> and that would be a good thing
Nov 08 14:27:38 <skillZ> true
Nov 08 14:27:51 <d1b> like its not going to get into my gmail any time native soon.
Nov 08 14:27:55 <d1b> but perhaps thunderbird.
Nov 08 14:27:57 <d1b> etc.
Nov 08 14:28:11 <larlin> yeah flood the net with quite easy to break but still encrypted emails would be a killer for all spying orgs
Nov 08 14:28:21 <larlin> we need all spam to be encrypted!
Nov 08 14:28:21 <d1b> exactly.
Nov 08 14:28:26 <d1b> rofl.
Nov 08 14:28:33 <rteodor> and they will make encryption illegal then, or find a way to get around it ...
Nov 08 14:28:39 <d1b> rteodor: can't do it :)
Nov 08 14:28:46 <skillZ> well it takes them some time at least to get around
Nov 08 14:28:48 <d1b> businesses depend on crypto
Nov 08 14:28:56 <skillZ> so they have to focus on the acutal crim inals
Nov 08 14:29:13 <skillZ> or waste resources
Nov 08 14:29:21 <d1b> skillZ: or do things properly
Nov 08 14:29:21 <skillZ> that is the way it should be be
Nov 08 14:29:25 <d1b> and actually use their heads
Nov 08 14:29:29 <skillZ> you mean respect rights
Nov 08 14:29:34 <skillZ> lol
Nov 08 14:29:41 <rteodor> VoIP is allready illegal in Russia because they can not decrypt skype properly
Nov 08 14:29:43 <d1b> skillZ: no i mean spy organisations with actual agents on the fucking ground
Nov 08 14:29:48 <d1b> rteodor: orly
Nov 08 14:29:51 <d1b> since when? ..
Nov 08 14:29:53 <skillZ> i c
Nov 08 14:29:59 <d1b> tis interesting ..
Nov 08 14:30:13 <skillZ> they said they were going to make a law saying everything had to be logged for all internet services
Nov 08 14:30:25 <rteodor> a month, I think
Nov 08 14:30:31 <skillZ> so i immediately made a server outside my coiuntry that keeps no logs :)
Nov 08 14:30:32 <d1b> skillZ: seriously tor is cool :)
Nov 08 14:30:35 <d1b> rteodor: oh.
Nov 08 14:30:43 <skillZ> yes tor is good
Nov 08 14:30:49 <skillZ> i use two proxies
Nov 08 14:31:05 <skillZ> normally blowfish on irc
Nov 08 14:31:46 <d1b> did that actually happen tho ?
Nov 08 14:31:49 <skillZ> sorry i didn't mean to highjack the channel subject
Nov 08 14:31:59 <skillZ> well the law is in parliament
Nov 08 14:32:03 <skillZ> it is useless
Nov 08 14:32:15 <skillZ> i registered nologs.ca
Nov 08 14:32:33 <skillZ> i can offer no logs for jabber and email and other services like voice
Nov 08 14:32:35 <d1b> fair enough.
Nov 08 14:32:56 <d1b> like for the android the internals allow modifying the gsm voice foo right?
Nov 08 14:33:10 <d1b> would be interesting to have an additional crypto on the normal gsm foo
Nov 08 14:33:13 <d1b> for a phone call
Nov 08 14:33:20 <d1b> even a sa poc
Nov 08 14:33:22 <d1b> as*
Nov 08 14:33:44 <skillZ> i think that if one can offer real private communications it will be worth money in future
Nov 08 14:34:08 <d1b> skillZ: neuromancer ;)
Nov 08 14:34:10 <d1b> neuro*
Nov 08 14:34:16 <skillZ> ??
Nov 08 14:34:21 <d1b> tis a book.
Nov 08 14:34:25 <skillZ> oh
Nov 08 14:34:31 <skillZ> never heard of it
Nov 08 14:34:45 <d1b> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer
Nov 08 14:35:48 <skillZ> wow
Nov 08 14:35:51 <skillZ> interesting
Nov 08 14:36:44 <d1b> cyberpunk!
Nov 08 14:37:07 <d1b> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-anarchism
Nov 08 14:39:10 <skillZ> yes a while back i started referring to myself as a cyber-dissident
Nov 08 14:39:37 <d1b> ok
Nov 08 14:41:55 <pbaxter> hi all again
Nov 08 14:43:27 <skillZ> i don't want anarchy really
Nov 08 14:43:40 <skillZ> i accept some governance is necessary
Nov 08 14:43:57 <skillZ> just not without review
Nov 08 14:47:37 <d1b> anyways should have this more on topic
Nov 08 14:47:50 <d1b> like skillZ so there is now a tor port to the android
Nov 08 14:47:57 <d1b> would be interesting to torify sms / messaging
Nov 08 14:48:04 <d1b> through keys and exchanging
Nov 08 14:48:07 <d1b> throug ha hidden service
Nov 08 14:51:51 <skillZ> hmmm
Nov 08 14:56:39 <d1b> ah failfox is being fail
Nov 08 14:57:06 <d1b> the androids browser is pretty fail too..
Nov 08 15:08:04 <audunb> larlin: Yeah, I'm in the army, I'll just get my rifle and invade you bastards :D
Nov 08 15:08:39 <larlin> great! make sure to destroy FRA...
Nov 08 15:08:40 <larlin> =)
Nov 08 15:09:11 <audunb> sure, np :)
Nov 08 15:09:35 <serdar_> audunb, destroy turkey :)
Nov 08 15:09:38 <larlin> and then when you join the two countries the Swedes can win the election move the capital to Stockholm and rename the contry Sweden and introduce the Swedish flag! =)
Nov 08 15:10:12 <audunb> uhm, I think that's happened before :p
Nov 08 15:10:24 <audunb> maybe not exactly like that, but to the same effect..
Nov 08 15:10:32 <serdar_> destroy turkey!!!! :>
Nov 08 15:11:27 <larlin> audunb, pretty much and sweden only released Norway on a 100 year trial the Swedish riksdag should vote about if you have done okay or not now =) :p
Nov 08 15:11:54 <audunb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Norge-Unionsflagg-1844.svg
Nov 08 15:11:56 <serdar_> DESTROY TURKEY!!! :)
Nov 08 15:11:57 <audunb> never again..
Nov 08 15:12:29 <audunb> I don't mind turkeys. They make for great dinners :D
Nov 08 15:12:42 <serdar_> they stole it :)
Nov 08 16:28:19 <d1b> btw guys how come no one has updated the openmoko wiki page..
Nov 08 16:34:09 <rteodor> what compiler flags do I need to compile a small C program for android ?
Nov 08 16:34:21 <rteodor> i use: CFLAGS=$(SRC_HEADERS) -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t -msoft-float -D__ARM_ARCH_4__ -D__ARM_ARCH_4T__
Nov 08 16:34:49 <rteodor> and i compile with: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o tst test.c -Wl,-L$(LIBDIR_DINAMIC),-lc,-ldl
Nov 08 16:35:22 <rteodor> but it says: adb shell "/data/local/bin/tst"
Nov 08 16:37:13 <rteodor> $  /data/local/bin/tst: not found
Nov 08 16:38:58 <rteodor> anyone ??
Nov 08 16:40:23 <rteodor> the file is there, I checked for it
Nov 08 16:48:05 <skillZ> woot android is running
Nov 08 17:01:23 * d1b is waiting for shr to finish opkg upgrade
Nov 08 17:05:48 <skillZ> wifi with wpa works
Nov 08 17:06:07 <skillZ> nice guys
Nov 08 17:18:34 <d1b> skillZ: does it ?
Nov 08 17:18:47 <d1b> like i thought mine was just failing over to gprs tho...
Nov 08 17:23:53 <skillZ> yep
Nov 08 17:24:07 <skillZ> i have no gprs
Nov 08 17:24:10 <skillZ> no sim
Nov 08 17:24:12 <skillZ> even
Nov 08 17:24:27 <skillZ> and i connect to my linux machine running hostapd with wpa
Nov 08 17:24:43 <skillZ> this works good
Nov 08 17:24:52 <skillZ> much nicer than having debian
Nov 08 17:24:59 <skillZ> anyone use the gps yet?
Nov 08 17:25:25 <skillZ> i used to be able to run tango on my eee and connect to the gpsd
Nov 08 17:27:55 <skillZ>  how do i install apps
Nov 08 17:28:04 <skillZ> is there a xmpp client
Nov 08 17:28:06 <skillZ> ?
Nov 08 17:34:03 <d1b> skillZ: through the app store thingy or adb
Nov 08 17:34:57 <skillZ> sorry don't know what you mean
Nov 08 17:35:05 <skillZ> app store thingy
Nov 08 17:35:19 <d1b> you don't get that on the freerunner iirc tho :)
Nov 08 17:35:26 <d1b> you need another app to view other apps atm
Nov 08 17:35:27 <d1b> i think
Nov 08 17:35:31 <d1b>  / install
Nov 08 17:35:45 <d1b> and you can use adb to install apps
Nov 08 17:36:03 <skillZ> you lost me m8
Nov 08 17:36:11 <audunb> adb install *,apk
Nov 08 17:36:21 <skillZ> i have android running and i am looking throught he applications
Nov 08 17:36:30 <skillZ> where do i get the apk
Nov 08 17:36:32 <skillZ> ?
Nov 08 17:37:02 <audunb> from the internet. andappstore.com , slideme.org
Nov 08 17:37:07 <skillZ> i enabled unknown sources
Nov 08 17:37:14 <skillZ> oh
Nov 08 17:37:32 <skillZ> well lets see then i have wifi
Nov 08 17:37:44 <skillZ> i can dl straight to the FR
Nov 08 17:37:55 <audunb> you could install the andappstore client to dl/install directly on the FR
Nov 08 17:38:08 <d1b> audunb: can you do that?
Nov 08 17:38:12 <d1b> without adb...
Nov 08 17:38:40 <audunb> you need to install a client such as andappstore's, then you can do that
Nov 08 17:38:46 <skillZ> i c
Nov 08 17:38:54 <skillZ> ok so now i need to install adb on my eee
Nov 08 17:39:02 <audunb> the android market is not available on the FR :(
Nov 08 17:39:02 <skillZ> and install the appstore thing first
Nov 08 17:39:07 <skillZ> then everything else i might want
Nov 08 17:39:12 <d1b> audunb: yes we know :)
Nov 08 17:39:14 <audunb> yeah :)
Nov 08 17:39:14 <skillZ> anyone know of an xmpp client
Nov 08 17:39:15 <d1b> tis a shame
Nov 08 17:39:34 <skillZ> huh?
Nov 08 17:39:40 <skillZ> can i get apps?
Nov 08 17:39:58 <d1b> yeah
Nov 08 17:40:02 <skillZ> so there are apps but not for FR
Nov 08 17:40:27 <skillZ> i am a bit happily confused
Nov 08 17:41:11 <audunb> you can use pretty much any app that is available for download on the internet
Nov 08 17:41:34 <audunb> but a lot of apps are only available through the market, which we can't use
Nov 08 17:41:38 <audunb> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/Applications
Nov 08 17:42:22 <skillZ> oh ok
Nov 08 17:43:04 <skillZ> oh hey i used the old image
Nov 08 17:43:10 <skillZ> should i have used the snapshot
Nov 08 17:43:14 <skillZ> anyone know its state?
Nov 08 18:21:49 <audunb> I'm having problems with the newer snapshots, but that's related to gsm/sms etc, so I guess you should do fine with a new one
Nov 08 18:58:12 <skillZ> anyone use navit\
Nov 08 18:58:19 <skillZ> how do i get maps
Nov 08 19:01:59 <der-lehmann> take a look http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit
Nov 08 19:09:12 <skillZ> how do i kill navit
Nov 08 19:09:22 <skillZ> or other apps that are running
Nov 08 19:10:32 <skillZ> forget it
Nov 08 19:10:37 <skillZ> got a shell
Nov 08 19:37:35 <skillZ> i need help getting maps for navit
Nov 08 20:31:46 <pbaxter> serdar_: i'm here now
Nov 08 20:39:57 <GovCon> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/Applications
Nov 08 20:40:02 <GovCon> "Remember you need to activate the ´Unknown sources´ option under ´Development´ before you can load non-Market programs."
Nov 08 20:40:25 <GovCon> unknown sources is not underdevelopment but is just under 'application settings'
Nov 08 20:52:15 <larlin> fixed
Nov 08 20:53:36 <rooly> so, any idea where i could score the email app?
Nov 08 21:20:48 <GovCon> ty larlin
Nov 08 21:20:53 <GovCon> gah
Nov 08 21:27:32 <pbaxter> rooly: what you mean with "score the email app"?
Nov 08 21:29:08 <rooly> i mean the official google email app
Nov 08 21:29:22 <rooly> however, this issue has been solved with K9
Nov 08 22:11:18 <pbaxter> rooly: what is k9?
Nov 08 22:11:53 <rooly> k9 is a mail app i was just refered too
Nov 08 22:12:38 <pbaxter> ok rooly
Nov 08 22:12:41 <pbaxter> bye going afk
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