**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 02:59:56 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 04:48:21 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 04:48:49 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 07:58:56 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 08:25:28 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 08:25:49 2009 Nov 17 09:05:45 Morning **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 09:31:49 2009 Nov 17 11:27:06 can't sync... Nov 17 11:27:40 my releases are all broken because of no sync. Nov 17 11:41:25 serdar_, can we register to the fosdem? Nov 17 11:47:04 I hope so. Nov 17 11:47:16 do we have a program? Nov 17 11:47:18 to show Nov 17 11:48:43 I think that it must discuss soon with other people Nov 17 11:48:46 of the project Nov 17 11:48:52 can somebody prepare a program Nov 17 11:48:59 I think the best is to have a devroom Nov 17 11:49:04 or somenthing like tat Nov 17 11:49:05 that Nov 17 11:50:13 hm Nov 17 11:51:07 we can make a meeting. Nov 17 11:51:47 we need Jancona, larlin, Niels too Nov 17 11:51:59 and than make some papers. Nov 17 11:52:37 ok Nov 17 11:52:54 panicking, what's with 23:00 CEST I guess everyone will have time. jancona too. Nov 17 11:53:02 larlin, there? Nov 17 11:53:05 serdar_, I got a train trip planned to get me to fosdem =) Nov 17 11:53:22 ok, so let me check Nov 17 11:53:25 okay what's with mumble today 23:00? Nov 17 11:53:29 I think that is possible Nov 17 11:53:39 I only install mumble Nov 17 11:53:53 serdar_, should work Nov 17 11:54:13 need to contact niels and jancona. Nov 17 11:54:20 what's with mvzaanen? Nov 17 11:54:27 dunno Nov 17 11:54:29 what's with me? Nov 17 11:54:58 do you have ideas? Nov 17 11:55:25 about what to do @fosdem? Nov 17 11:55:54 (sorry, I just came back from lunch.. trying to get a hold on the discussion here) Nov 17 11:56:11 yes fosdem. Nov 17 11:56:20 blärgh is there a non qt client for mumble? Nov 17 11:56:32 yes. Nov 17 11:56:43 err, it's qt. Nov 17 11:56:49 also the server. Nov 17 11:56:58 :) Nov 17 11:56:59 murmur needs qt-coere Nov 17 11:57:01 to be honest, I've never been. I don't really know what to expectt Nov 17 11:57:03 :'( Nov 17 11:57:04 qt-core Nov 17 11:57:37 I needed install qt on my server, holy shit!! Nov 17 11:57:42 but I like qt. Nov 17 11:57:45 but on my server :/ Nov 17 11:59:04 I don't like qt and especially it looks like shit when runned in gnome Nov 17 11:59:38 what? Nov 17 12:00:24 qt programs in gnome looks very bad Nov 17 12:01:51 I am useing ubuntu too Nov 17 12:02:02 you are evil :O Nov 17 12:03:05 so may be but I like my enviroment to be consistant I will install it if I have to but I will try to avoid it if possible Nov 17 12:03:37 qt apps looks ok in a kde enviroment but mixed enviroments don't look good and I run gnome... Nov 17 12:04:45 I like kde. kde4 1.3.3 is really nice :) Nov 17 12:05:20 when I was using some qt apps more I installed kde and switched enviroment when I needed the kde apps... So I really hate mixed enviroments... Nov 17 12:06:01 oO Nov 17 12:06:58 22 nov is the deadline for fosdem main track talk, stand and devroom requests Nov 17 12:14:37 humm I think the audio tuning wizard in mumble crasched on me... Nov 17 12:16:31 oO Nov 17 12:16:37 serdar_, can I connect to you server to test this out? Nov 17 12:16:39 YOU are evil! Nov 17 12:16:46 yes you can. Nov 17 12:18:19 ip/hostname? Nov 17 12:18:23 serdar-dere.net Nov 17 12:18:36 I send you an email :O Nov 17 12:18:56 but then I need to find that in the archive =) Nov 17 12:19:02 no Nov 17 12:19:16 customized Nov 17 12:19:18 add it Nov 17 12:19:24 use the default port Nov 17 12:19:31 my email archive I meant =) Nov 17 12:19:53 ah, I thought you meant the browser search Nov 17 12:21:10 do you hear me? Nov 17 12:21:19 nope Nov 17 12:21:25 odd Nov 17 12:21:36 can you hear me? Nov 17 12:21:41 yes Nov 17 12:22:36 do you have push-to-talk? Nov 17 12:23:37 what button is push to talk? =) Nov 17 12:23:52 here is the windows button Nov 17 12:24:58 hmmm I guess you need a mic for mumble :D Nov 17 12:25:11 that's true, but you can write Nov 17 12:25:16 it does do the experience more complete =) Nov 17 12:25:20 and mumble read it. Nov 17 12:25:38 how is that different from here? Nov 17 12:26:02 you can hear us talking =) Nov 17 12:26:04 writeing there is much worse Nov 17 12:26:13 heh Nov 17 12:26:22 I'll see if I can find a mic Nov 17 12:26:28 but this text-to-speech is nice Nov 17 12:26:28 username and password Nov 17 12:26:29 ? Nov 17 12:26:30 when's the discussion supposed to start Nov 17 12:26:31 ? Nov 17 12:26:58 panicking, no password needed now. Nov 17 12:27:01 username anything you want password empty Nov 17 12:27:20 it's a simple one I need to configure it :/ Nov 17 12:30:20 what's the server? Nov 17 12:30:26 serdar-dere.net Nov 17 12:31:10 Ok Nov 17 12:31:12 it works Nov 17 12:31:15 I can hear Nov 17 12:31:22 so we can use it later Nov 17 12:31:27 I save my configuration Nov 17 12:31:36 yeah but can you speak too? :) Nov 17 12:31:44 I don't know Nov 17 12:31:46 let me try Nov 17 12:31:54 ok, I think I'm in Nov 17 12:32:46 I don't hear anything Nov 17 12:32:47 fine Nov 17 12:33:13 mvzaanen, have you runned the audio wizard? Nov 17 12:33:21 I did Nov 17 12:33:21 I don't hear you guys. Nov 17 12:33:27 I heard the sounds, but I don't have a mic Nov 17 12:33:35 I can see your text, serdar, but no sound Nov 17 12:34:00 text-to-speech is on Nov 17 12:34:57 how the hell do you pronounce mvzaanen ??? =) Nov 17 12:35:07 I don't know :D Nov 17 12:35:53 marc van zaanen? Nov 17 12:36:17 Menno Nov 17 12:36:54 Menno? We say menno in germany if something doesn't happen if we wished. :) Nov 17 12:36:59 heh Nov 17 12:37:07 I see that small mouth get red, but I don't hear a thing Nov 17 12:37:22 hmm Nov 17 12:37:48 I can morse if that help Nov 17 12:38:03 haha not in my ear please! =) Nov 17 12:38:37 heh Nov 17 12:38:53 woot Nov 17 12:39:01 please write ... -- ... :) Nov 17 12:40:00 sounds funny. Nov 17 12:40:09 I only want to send sms :) Nov 17 12:40:27 it's a pity I don't hear it mysefl Nov 17 12:41:15 odd did you chose output in the sound wizard? Nov 17 12:41:32 PulseAudio, default output Nov 17 12:41:42 I do hear the sounds during audio wizard Nov 17 12:42:23 humm for me default output crasched the wizard but when I choose a specific output it worked good Nov 17 12:42:43 I am hearing strange sounds from mvzaanen Nov 17 12:42:57 again Nov 17 12:43:01 like? Nov 17 12:43:01 yeah "pop" Nov 17 12:43:04 I don't do anything Nov 17 12:43:57 nothing Nov 17 12:46:16 nope Nov 17 12:48:42 wierd Nov 17 12:48:48 I even tried the specific output Nov 17 12:49:29 mvzaanen, now you send some odd sounds again Nov 17 12:49:44 I would say that it sounds like things from the os or something like that Nov 17 12:49:45 no I don't Nov 17 12:49:49 mvzaanen, you have a sound rythm Nov 17 12:49:54 oh, that could be it Nov 17 12:49:58 there are 3 sounds Nov 17 12:50:06 that was a sound from workrave, perhaps Nov 17 12:50:23 is there a "pop" in that? =) Nov 17 12:50:23 did you hear three beeps? Nov 17 12:50:27 one? Nov 17 12:50:34 there is a pop, yes Nov 17 12:50:45 and a flaky sound Nov 17 12:50:48 like magic Nov 17 12:50:51 I got one pop and some else that I didn't hear to good Nov 17 12:50:53 it's all magic Nov 17 12:51:05 it's linux sound system? Nov 17 12:51:10 yeah Nov 17 12:51:25 then it's black magic you need to offer a goat on the keyboard first Nov 17 12:51:39 offer a cup of black coffee perhaps Nov 17 12:51:55 maybe but I think it needs goat blood Nov 17 12:52:10 oO Nov 17 12:52:14 I don't like goat blood in my coffee Nov 17 12:52:34 you only have to put it in you keyboard =) Nov 17 12:52:37 heh Nov 17 12:54:00 you could try alsa direct instead of PulseAudio? Nov 17 12:54:47 mvzaanen, which distribution? Nov 17 12:54:48 ok Nov 17 12:54:53 ubuntu jaunty Nov 17 12:55:06 mumble can't open alsa output Nov 17 12:55:17 mvzaanen, btw. go and buy a microphone, they are cheap these days :) Nov 17 12:55:28 using oss now Nov 17 12:55:29 jaunty? why not koala? Nov 17 12:55:33 I have a mic at home... I'm at work now Nov 17 12:55:41 oh I see. Nov 17 12:56:19 you have installed mumble on your work pc? Nov 17 12:56:44 mvzaanen, did you get that? Nov 17 12:57:18 try again.. I was getting some coffee Nov 17 12:58:05 now any of that? Nov 17 12:58:08 none Nov 17 12:58:40 I hear some beeping now... Nov 17 12:58:40 hmm Nov 17 12:58:42 wierd Nov 17 13:04:05 you are clicking Nov 17 13:04:58 do you hear me now serdar_ ? Nov 17 13:06:07 good I played with stereo output on the headset it actually worked but seems to mess mumble up Nov 17 13:09:12 I need to change the settings someday so we can create some roomes etc. but not now. Nov 17 13:09:34 we really don't need so much right now atleast Nov 17 13:10:17 yes, but I want to use my murmur server also for redcross and other things :) Nov 17 13:10:28 ahh yeah then it would be good Nov 17 13:11:28 well I'm disconnecting from mumble now if there isn't anything more until tonight? Nov 17 13:11:39 that's right Nov 17 13:12:46 mvzaanen, what was that? Nov 17 13:26:52 it seems that my sound is played through to mumble Nov 17 13:50:52 we really should make a new real release but these sms issues is really putting a stop to that also the sync problems Nov 17 15:01:07 hello Nov 17 15:01:59 hi Nov 17 15:03:12 just checking in how progress is going on the fr-android images Nov 17 15:03:21 seems like there's lots of work going into it Nov 17 15:03:29 I was just checking the bug list Nov 17 15:03:48 has the speed increased at all? Nov 17 15:04:24 I think it's quite usable speed-wise Nov 17 15:04:45 has call volume improved? Nov 17 15:04:51 or is it still marginal? Nov 17 15:05:22 call volume is still very low (on my phone) Nov 17 15:05:29 I wouldn't mind if that could be improved Nov 17 15:05:38 but then again, when using OM, it was low as well Nov 17 15:06:04 I can get the volume perfectly loud and clear and shr-unstable Nov 17 15:06:13 tweaking gsmhandset.state Nov 17 15:06:27 I had messed around with asound.conf on earlier android images Nov 17 15:06:33 but it still kind of sucked Nov 17 15:06:34 ah, you have? Nov 17 15:06:43 which parameters are used? Nov 17 15:06:59 in shr-u? Nov 17 15:07:05 no in android Nov 17 15:07:19 trying to remember what it's called Nov 17 15:07:26 earpierce_incall Nov 17 15:07:32 or something like that Nov 17 15:07:36 ok Nov 17 15:07:38 I'll check it out Nov 17 15:07:45 it's just annoying that you can't edit it directly Nov 17 15:07:54 yah, very annoying Nov 17 15:07:54 pull, edit, push Nov 17 15:08:11 can you edit init.rc in the new images? Nov 17 15:08:20 dunno Nov 17 15:08:28 I remember koolu's self installing images wouldn't allow you to edit init.rc Nov 17 15:08:36 panicking's images used to allow you to, though Nov 17 15:09:15 have you used android for many phone calls? Nov 17 15:09:34 I remember people on the other end of the line used to complain it was noisy and hard to understand as well Nov 17 15:09:40 I hardly use my phone Nov 17 15:09:46 I typically only call my wife, who has a FR as well Nov 17 15:10:01 lucky you! my wife curses the FR daily Nov 17 15:10:34 my wife too :D Nov 17 15:11:53 hmm niels speaks dutch too. Nov 17 15:12:07 does he? Nov 17 15:13:08 Op 17-nov.-2009 13:16 schreef Serdar Nov 17 15:13:14 ah yeah Nov 17 15:15:38 We can discuss what options we see and in what shape or form we can be present. It would be best to sync with Pieter afterwards to avoid frustrations from either side. Good thing is that he's also belgian and dutch speaking, so I can talk to him to see how we can fit in, or not. Nov 17 15:16:22 ? Nov 17 15:18:13 hi jancona Nov 17 15:20:33 Hi Serdar_ Nov 17 15:20:53 jancona, did you see the email? Nov 17 15:21:45 Yes. I'll see how my schedule looks later today. Nov 17 15:21:53 I'll make it if I can Nov 17 15:31:46 what time is it? Nov 17 17:22:05 I sent a script that it can be used to apply patches from a repo diff Nov 17 17:37:45 jancona, I'm looking at the eclair patch Nov 17 17:37:56 are you sure that you don't need the change in the libpixelformat Nov 17 17:38:02 for armv4t Nov 17 17:38:03 ? Nov 17 17:48:47 I'm on mumble Nov 17 17:51:31 panicking: I don't know, you might be right. I'm at work, so can't look now Nov 17 17:51:43 ok, I'm compiling now Nov 17 17:51:48 so I can give this info later Nov 17 17:53:19 Any idea why a kernel built with their toolchain panics? Nov 17 17:53:54 eabi/oeabi Nov 17 17:53:55 problem Nov 17 17:53:59 do you activate Nov 17 17:54:03 the user space debug Nov 17 17:54:04 ? Nov 17 17:54:44 it is possible Nov 17 17:54:51 tha it is an illegal instruction Nov 17 17:55:08 I'm still compiling Nov 17 17:55:13 I will give this info soon Nov 17 17:56:20 great, thanks! Nov 17 17:59:05 I haven't looked. Are there kernel changes for Eclair that we need to merge from Google? Nov 17 17:59:25 I don't think so Nov 17 17:59:29 But I will check Nov 17 17:59:35 when I boot the system Nov 17 17:59:39 do you see the log console Nov 17 17:59:43 booting eclair Nov 17 17:59:47 and the panic Nov 17 17:59:49 or just panic Nov 17 18:05:15 I didn't have the console enabled when I tried it. Nov 17 18:25:52 serdar_, I'm on mumdle Nov 17 18:25:54 :) Nov 17 18:26:00 can we check the audio Nov 17 18:26:02 ? Nov 17 18:27:19 I have add the support of camera in the freerunner Nov 17 18:27:26 better is to look for a micro camera Nov 17 18:27:29 on usb host Nov 17 18:49:42 hi all Nov 17 18:49:55 has someone compiled an eclair for FR? Nov 17 18:50:26 I'm starting to compile Nov 17 18:50:27 it Nov 17 18:50:33 I'm near the end Nov 17 18:54:01 panicking: let us know what happens ok? Nov 17 18:54:11 panicking: will you put it onto your website? Nov 17 18:54:33 yes I think so Nov 17 19:05:23 panicking: thanks Nov 17 19:05:30 say me when it's ready Nov 17 19:49:13 panicking: some news about eclair? Nov 17 19:50:22 I'm writing it now Nov 17 19:50:54 panicking: writing what? Nov 17 19:51:02 the image Nov 17 19:51:05 on my mobile Nov 17 19:51:46 panicking: can you give me a link to download or you do not have put on web? Nov 17 19:52:45 * GovCon thinks panicking must be a busy man :\ Nov 17 19:54:00 * pbaxter knows panicking is a busy man Nov 17 19:55:12 first, I want to test on my mobile Nov 17 19:55:18 maybe It doesnt' boot Nov 17 19:57:13 panicking: ok Nov 17 19:57:36 panicking: also can we try your last kernel with the AoF weekly? Nov 17 19:58:10 no, I must boot with the console on Nov 17 19:58:40 ok Nov 17 20:06:55 hi Nov 17 20:09:42 hi serdar_ Nov 17 20:10:09 panicking, you could sync aclair? Nov 17 20:14:11 grrr :) Nov 17 20:14:29 ahh Nov 17 20:14:36 syncing works again Nov 17 20:22:35 panicking, wgat's up with the apply.gl file? Nov 17 20:22:39 *what's Nov 17 21:01:57 hi all Nov 17 21:05:39 hi sanvy Nov 17 21:05:50 hi pb\ Nov 17 21:05:51 hi pbaxter Nov 17 21:06:59 i go :D :D Nov 17 21:07:01 bye all Nov 17 22:00:50 jancona, there? Nov 17 22:24:19 serdar_, where did you go?? Nov 17 22:24:25 jancona, there? Nov 17 22:52:46 jancona, there? Nov 17 22:54:29 Here now Nov 17 22:55:03 got time to join Mumble? Nov 17 22:56:08 I'm just about to leave work for home. Nov 17 22:56:16 ahh Nov 17 22:56:24 Is there an Android Mumble client? :-) Nov 17 22:56:38 lol no sorry only qt client Nov 17 22:57:12 we have to develop one =) Nov 17 22:57:40 I don't have a headset for my work machine, so it would be hard to participate from here anyway Nov 17 22:58:06 ahh and I guess you will be busy when you get home or it takes long time? Nov 17 22:58:23 Takes almost an hour Nov 17 22:58:26 Does Serdar's server archive the talk? Nov 17 22:58:34 Can I listen later? Nov 17 22:58:41 ahh not sure will checl Nov 17 22:58:47 jancona, nope. Nov 17 22:59:07 jancona, we can do some sort of recap later Nov 17 22:59:22 Sounds good. Nov 17 22:59:41 can you come in? we aren't that far. Nov 17 22:59:54 If there's a little more notice next time, I'll try to arrange my schedule Nov 17 22:59:59 so we have two developer Nov 17 23:00:10 serdar, read logback =) Nov 17 23:00:22 jancona, yeah we should plan it better next time =) Nov 17 23:00:47 okay Nov 17 23:00:47 agree Nov 17 23:03:52 dude, we can't here you Nov 17 23:03:58 serdar, are you there Nov 17 23:04:01 I can hear you Nov 17 23:04:03 yes Nov 17 23:04:13 panicking, do you use push to talk? Nov 17 23:05:19 O__O Nov 17 23:05:24 yes Nov 17 23:05:35 but I can only heard you Nov 17 23:05:51 btw Nov 17 23:06:28 you must configure a shortcut before it works Nov 17 23:17:07 http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/ is it available? Nov 17 23:17:17 no Nov 18 02:26:32 Hi panicking! Nov 18 02:26:40 Any luck? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 18 03:00:03 2009