**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 12 02:59:57 2009
Dec 12 13:26:21 <Bish> hi
Dec 12 13:26:23 <Bish> whats up
Dec 12 13:26:45 <Bish> Serdar2: oh, sup
Dec 12 13:36:28 <pbaxter> hi Bish
Dec 12 13:36:30 <pbaxter> hi all
Dec 12 13:38:46 <Serdar2> oh bish found us.
Dec 12 13:39:15 <Bish> Serdar2: :) yeah.. actually i found my freerunner :) and tried some images
Dec 12 13:39:32 <Bish> or in this case... installer
Dec 12 13:43:42 <Bish> whats the reason for the non-workin wifi?
Dec 12 13:53:34 <d1b> Bish: wifi does work..
Dec 12 13:54:11 <Bish> d1b: does it?
Dec 12 13:54:24 <Bish> d1b: well cant connect to my AP
Dec 12 13:54:56 <d1b> Bish:  i can...
Dec 12 13:54:59 <d1b> im on week 48
Dec 12 13:55:50 <Bish> well maybe its even my DHCPD .. couldnt connect with laptop a few seconds ago, either
Dec 12 13:56:12 <d1b> Bish: i have an openwrt providing dhcp :P
Dec 12 13:56:35 <Bish> yeh, its just, my main router does not havve wifi ^^ so i have 2
Dec 12 13:57:05 <Bish> and the dhcp of the first one someties doesnt give ip addr's to wlans
Dec 12 13:57:08 <d1b> Bish: yes and...
Dec 12 13:57:15 <d1b> oh...
Dec 12 13:57:26 <Bish> its pretty random, but im not a wlan fan anyways.
Dec 12 13:57:37 <d1b> Bish: my openwrt does a good job :P
Dec 12 13:57:47 <Bish> if i just had money i would have a cool one, too :D
Dec 12 13:58:07 <d1b> m?
Dec 12 13:58:12 <d1b> openwrt's are cheap meh.
Dec 12 13:58:20 <Bish> how much?
Dec 12 13:58:29 <pbaxter> jancona: have you thought about a release?
Dec 12 13:59:10 <d1b> pbaxter: wait until the eclair stuff as a branch, i don't see one yet...
Dec 12 13:59:28 <pbaxter> d1b: i was talking about cupcake
Dec 12 13:59:29 <Bish> d1b: but im also thinking about getting an samsumg galaxy now.
Dec 12 13:59:31 <Bish> should i ?
Dec 12 13:59:49 <d1b> lol there is a bug in github.
Dec 12 13:59:54 <d1b> erh gitosis
Dec 12 14:00:01 <d1b> "Friday April 05 2019" commit
Dec 12 14:00:40 <d1b> Bish: i haven't made an actual phone call yet with my freerunner since running android really...
Dec 12 14:00:55 <Bish> d1b: well... thats why i want to buy another android phone
Dec 12 14:01:10 <d1b> Bish: if it is cheap yeah why not...
Dec 12 14:01:15 <d1b> how much is the samsung?
Dec 12 14:01:53 <Bish> i dont know how to say this in english, but with "contract" it will be just ~30 € or something
Dec 12 14:01:55 <d1b> tis expensive here...
Dec 12 14:02:14 <Bish> and its the first android phone of samsumg
Dec 12 14:02:25 <Bish> yeah im not buying it "raw" , im a poor student, are u kidding?
Dec 12 14:02:36 <Bish> :) d1b does wifi even work after a supsend?
Dec 12 14:03:03 <d1b> Bish: yes
Dec 12 14:03:22 <Bish> thats cool
Dec 12 14:08:16 <Bish> d1b: since u guys are android devs... if im buying this phone of samsung, will i be able to modify my android somehow?
Dec 12 14:08:26 <d1b> Bish: im not a dev :P
Dec 12 14:08:31 <Bish> d1b: experts, whatever
Dec 12 14:08:42 <d1b> Bish: but if you are a dev, you can sign images.
Dec 12 14:08:56 <d1b> what do you mean modify "my" android ?
Dec 12 14:09:18 <Bish> d1b: this samsung will be shipped with an android on it, possibly without an option to modify it
Dec 12 14:09:38 <Bish> in most cases mobile phone provider are trying not letting u modifying your mobile
Dec 12 14:09:42 <d1b> Bish: no idea. people have "rooted" other phones.
Dec 12 14:10:03 <d1b> the android platform is fairly open tho.
Dec 12 14:10:24 <Bish> d1b: so .. in worst case i will search an buffer overflow, and root it?
Dec 12 14:10:41 <d1b> Bish: um.......
Dec 12 14:10:45 <d1b> not like that...
Dec 12 14:11:05 <d1b> http://phandroid.com/2009/08/01/samsung-galaxy-%E2%80%93-rooted/
Dec 12 14:12:37 <d1b> root on the droid normally means a fancy busybox thing.
Dec 12 14:12:52 <d1b> vastly overrated.
Dec 12 14:13:33 <Bish> so.. will i be able to put applications on it anyways?
Dec 12 14:13:41 <d1b> Bish: why not? :P
Dec 12 14:13:52 <Bish> d1b: well im quite new to android, but not to linux
Dec 12 14:13:59 <Bish> in most cases you will have to be root to install something
Dec 12 14:14:11 <d1b> Bish: adb ... / market/ app stores...
Dec 12 14:14:16 <Bish> d1b: what encryption does your wlan ap have?
Dec 12 14:14:26 <d1b> Bish: wpa2 aes.
Dec 12 14:14:33 <Bish> hm okay, then this isnt the problem
Dec 12 14:14:35 <d1b> i don't know if you get adb without a dev phone tho.
Dec 12 14:14:51 <Bish> yeah i will just try android on my freerunner
Dec 12 14:15:12 <Bish> and then decide if im buying it
Dec 12 14:15:29 <Bish> (there is some x-mas special of my phone provider. maybe im getting it with a umts flat or somethign)
Dec 12 14:15:32 <Bish> (pretty cool)
Dec 12 14:15:38 <d1b> right.
Dec 12 14:15:51 <d1b> well android on the freerunner is missing stuff like google maps
Dec 12 14:15:54 <Bish> VoIP tunneled to home?
Dec 12 14:15:59 <Bish> welcome to 2009
Dec 12 14:16:04 <Bish> :D
Dec 12 14:16:13 <Bish> there will funny stuff happen in the future
Dec 12 14:16:13 <d1b> Bish: skype works on the android.
Dec 12 14:16:13 <d1b> etc.
Dec 12 14:16:24 <Bish> d1b: yeh but i remember something about
Dec 12 14:16:35 <Bish> ... german mobile internet providers blocking skype with NAT
Dec 12 14:16:43 <d1b> Bish: google luck :P
Dec 12 14:16:54 <d1b> skype is on thing that is really hard to block
Dec 12 14:17:14 <Bish> d1b: yeah but they already did that, because iphone is quite popular here
Dec 12 14:17:23 <Bish> and i think the biggest mobile phone provider blocked skype.
Dec 12 14:17:32 <Bish> but in this case, i will just tunnel to my homenet.
Dec 12 14:17:39 <Bish> as i said, welcome to 2009
Dec 12 14:17:51 <d1b> i think android 2 has vpn abilities.
Dec 12 14:17:57 <Bish> o rly?
Dec 12 14:18:00 <Bish> also a cool thing ^^
Dec 12 14:18:26 <Bish> .. well, know im working a little bit, to get the money for that phone
Dec 12 14:18:39 <Bish> and my freerunner is with me, maybe i will join here if i find a open network :)
Dec 12 14:18:42 <Bish> bye :)
Dec 12 14:19:43 <Bish> d1b: well.. is ther eosme kind of terminal Ooß
Dec 12 14:19:50 <Bish> didnt fintd it yet
Dec 12 14:20:02 <d1b> Bish: yes but it sucks balls.
Dec 12 14:20:18 <d1b> Bish: you need to view the wiki and see how to install stuffz
Dec 12 14:20:18 <Bish> :) okay
Dec 12 14:20:22 <Bish> ah .. one last thing
Dec 12 14:20:33 <Bish> ive read something about an android sdk 4 custom made input methods?
Dec 12 14:20:45 <Bish> is that true? im able to code my own fancy keyboard?
Dec 12 14:20:54 <d1b> Bish: should be able too.
Dec 12 14:21:02 <Bish> but is there an special sdk ?
Dec 12 14:21:12 <d1b> android has an sdk.
Dec 12 14:21:14 <Bish> for touchscreen keyboards
Dec 12 14:21:16 <Bish> okay.. great
Dec 12 14:21:19 <d1b> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Dec 12 14:21:19 <Bish> thanks, im back in some hours
Dec 12 14:21:35 <d1b> http://developer.android.com/guide/samples/SoftKeyboard/index.html
Dec 12 14:21:42 <Bish> thank you for your support.. bookmarked that links.
Dec 12 14:22:02 <Bish> thats so cool
Dec 12 14:22:08 <Bish> im getting this mobile :)
Dec 12 14:22:14 <Bish> okay, now im working, see ya
Dec 12 14:22:53 <Bish> d1b: .. dont tell me
Dec 12 14:22:59 <Bish> this keyboard is written in java?
Dec 12 14:23:54 <d1b> Bish: yes :P
Dec 12 14:24:23 <Bish> thats why its so freakin slow ^^
Dec 12 14:24:38 <Bish> but there is the possibility to write in something more.. hw-like
Dec 12 14:24:42 <Bish> C/CPP?
Dec 12 14:24:49 <Bish> or will i have to write java modules
Dec 12 14:25:14 <d1b> Bish: the java isn't slow.
Dec 12 14:25:31 <d1b> you can port c stuff, no idea about cpp. just use java to launch the app.
Dec 12 14:25:31 <Bish> well the keyboards lags on my freerunner
Dec 12 14:25:42 <d1b> its what the tor guys do..
Dec 12 14:25:58 <Bish> d1b: well i hope im able to build my keyboard in C :)
Dec 12 14:25:59 <d1b> Bish: yes :P but that's a speed of the graphics card issue i think.
Dec 12 14:26:05 <d1b> on a g1, it runs fine.
Dec 12 14:26:17 <Bish> im not a bytecode fan, thats it
Dec 12 14:26:31 <Bish> well , thanks for your support, now im working
Dec 12 16:20:04 <Bish> im back !
Dec 12 16:32:05 <d1b> lol.
Dec 12 16:51:25 <pbaxter> larlin: why don't you make a release?
Dec 12 17:04:32 <Bish> d1b: whats fun about my re-arrival?
Dec 12 17:04:58 <d1b> nm :P
Dec 12 17:05:13 <Bish> okay :)
Dec 12 18:29:30 <Serdar> d1b, have you seen that now? This message from the future is pretty old.
Dec 12 19:40:05 <GovCon> has development stop on android on FR?
Dec 12 19:40:09 <GovCon> stopped?
Dec 12 19:43:11 <Bish> GovCon: no
Dec 12 19:43:22 <Bish> this channel seems pretty active.. just read the topic and sutff
Dec 12 19:43:27 <Bish> or visit the page.
Dec 12 19:43:44 <GovCon> atm android is less open than a windows mobile based device for me. at least with windows i could probably access the data on the uSD card from my computer without incantations
Dec 12 19:43:57 <GovCon> i cant see to get any support to get adb working either
Dec 12 19:44:09 <GovCon> using windows is apparently enough of an excuse to not warrent it.
Dec 12 19:44:25 <GovCon> channel may be active, doesnt mean anything
Dec 12 19:45:42 <GovCon> http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner
Dec 12 19:45:47 <GovCon> check the changlog yourself
Dec 12 19:46:45 <GovCon> page after page of  'No updates since 24h!"
Dec 12 19:49:16 <GovCon> i honestly cant find a single item in the daily logs for weeks
Dec 12 20:15:29 <Serdar> there aren't any commits lately
Dec 12 20:15:58 <Serdar> it's because michael is working on eclair.
Dec 12 20:16:29 <GovCon> okay. but i would really like some support getting anything working
Dec 12 20:16:39 <GovCon> i just want my phone to talk to my computer
Dec 12 20:16:41 <GovCon> im using linux
Dec 12 20:16:47 <GovCon> ive configured the network interface
Dec 12 20:16:50 <Serdar> what is not working?
Dec 12 20:16:54 <GovCon> adb
Dec 12 20:17:00 <Serdar> huh?
Dec 12 20:17:06 <Serdar> what are you trying?
Dec 12 20:17:14 <GovCon> adb devices
Dec 12 20:17:20 <GovCon> none showing up
Dec 12 20:17:27 <GovCon> on ubuntu 9.04
Dec 12 20:17:45 <Serdar> you need to set up the ethernet adapter first
Dec 12 20:17:51 <GovCon> it is
Dec 12 20:17:59 <Serdar> what is it?
Dec 12 20:18:09 <GovCon> eth3
Dec 12 20:18:17 <Serdar> and the ip is correct?
Dec 12 20:18:28 <GovCon> 192.168.0.200
Dec 12 20:18:30 <Serdar> dmesg|tail
Dec 12 20:19:08 <GovCon> what am i looking for?
Dec 12 20:19:30 <Serdar> something like eth3 is down.
Dec 12 20:20:09 <GovCon> nope :/
Dec 12 20:20:14 <GovCon> im happy to paste logs
Dec 12 20:21:20 <GovCon> i connect the device
Dec 12 20:21:20 <Serdar> I ask because if your android suspends fast because of lack of action he shutdown the ethernet device.
Dec 12 20:21:41 <GovCon> then i run: sudo ifconfig eth3 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Dec 12 20:21:49 <GovCon> then try ./adb devices
Dec 12 20:22:18 <Serdar> where is the up?
Dec 12 20:22:25 <Serdar> add an up please.
Dec 12 20:22:53 <Serdar> or better make two lines
Dec 12 20:23:01 <Serdar> sudo ifconfig eth3 up
Dec 12 20:23:17 <GovCon> just tried that. no change in device list
Dec 12 20:23:17 <Serdar> sudo ifconfig eth3 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Dec 12 20:23:30 <Serdar> and after that server-kill
Dec 12 20:23:38 <Serdar> err kill-server
Dec 12 20:23:40 <GovCon> yep
Dec 12 20:23:42 <GovCon> tried it
Dec 12 20:23:43 <GovCon> didnt work
Dec 12 20:23:55 <Serdar> I guess you make something wrong.
Dec 12 20:23:57 <Serdar> aah wait
Dec 12 20:24:05 <Serdar> do you have a router?
Dec 12 20:24:10 <GovCon> yes
Dec 12 20:24:24 <Serdar> is the ip you get from your router 192.168.0.X?
Dec 12 20:24:27 <GovCon> but the freerunner is connected to a VM on a seperate network
Dec 12 20:24:31 <GovCon> no
Dec 12 20:24:41 <GovCon> real network is 192.168.1.x
Dec 12 20:24:56 <Serdar> you try to connect our moko through a vm?
Dec 12 20:25:04 <Serdar> that's terific oO"
Dec 12 20:25:12 <Serdar> terrific
Dec 12 20:25:28 <GovCon> because connecting it to windows seems a sure fire way to make sure nobody cares that it doesnt work
Dec 12 20:25:48 <Serdar> oO"""
Dec 12 20:26:05 <Serdar> you are doomed!
Dec 12 20:26:34 <GovCon> yes, im aware thank you/
Dec 12 20:26:35 <Serdar> try it with windows, that should work.
Dec 12 20:26:41 <GovCon> no, it doesnt
Dec 12 20:26:55 <GovCon> ive tried for hours and hours
Dec 12 20:27:00 <Serdar> it does, I tried it at work half a year ago
Dec 12 20:27:49 <Serdar> open your moko and go to preferences.
Dec 12 20:28:07 <Serdar> change the display timeout off.
Dec 12 20:28:18 <GovCon> it was already off..
Dec 12 20:28:20 <Serdar> s/change/switch
Dec 12 20:28:33 <GovCon> because the device is so slugish to wake up
Dec 12 20:29:09 <Serdar> what do you get when you try to connect your moko with windows?
Dec 12 20:29:23 <pbaxter> Serdar: i think you should make a release
Dec 12 20:29:36 <GovCon> windows doesnt recongnise the google supplied driver as a driver for the device
Dec 12 20:29:46 <Serdar> a release? I make every week a release.
Dec 12 20:29:54 <Serdar> but there are no updates since 3 weeks
Dec 12 20:30:10 <GovCon> there was some speculation that it was becuase you needed to add the freerunner to the list of devices, so i manually edited the inf to include it using the instructions i found
Dec 12 20:30:12 <Serdar> I tried it with windows XP and it worked.
Dec 12 20:30:21 <GovCon> well im on visat and it doesnt :(
Dec 12 20:30:33 <Serdar> you use vista?
Dec 12 20:30:37 <GovCon> yes.
Dec 12 20:30:39 <Serdar> you really are doomed!
Dec 12 20:31:12 <GovCon> thats very amusing and all but you dont have 'you cant use this if you use vista' on the android-on-freerunner page.
Dec 12 20:31:16 <Serdar> why don't you have a native linux?
Dec 12 20:31:34 <GovCon> because linux is terrible as a desktop OS
Dec 12 20:31:54 <Serdar> no I thought there is a unusable sign on the vista box itself.
Dec 12 20:32:02 <Serdar> wtf?
Dec 12 20:32:20 <Serdar> I am useing it many years as desktop OS.
Dec 12 20:33:13 <GovCon> again, i just want to get my contacts off the phone and run away. this channel is the only place i know to look for help with that :/
Dec 12 20:37:17 <GovCon> perhaps it might help to know ive got a degree in network managment and security and a masters in computer systems and security. i can read instructions, so what you have told me so far ive read elsewhere already. what im hoping for is a little bit of insight
Dec 12 20:44:44 <GovCon> http://pastebin.com/m6f220eb
Dec 12 20:44:57 <GovCon> i rebooted and went through the same steps
Dec 12 20:45:10 <GovCon> please tell me if you can find anything im doing wrong
Dec 12 20:45:15 <GovCon> http://pastebin.com/m6f220eb
Dec 12 20:45:15 <GovCon> http://pastebin.com/m6f220eb
Dec 12 20:47:03 <GovCon> 1. plug in device  2. configure ip and netmask  3. bring up interface  4. try ADB
Dec 12 20:56:31 <GovCon> help me please anyone
Dec 12 20:56:37 <Serdar> if you look correctly, than you will see, that eth3 is not set up
Dec 12 20:57:17 <Serdar> post the latest ifconfig
Dec 12 20:59:15 <GovCon> http://pastebin.com/m7688911f
Dec 12 21:00:04 <Serdar> dmesg|tail
Dec 12 21:00:42 <GovCon> http://pastebin.com/m49d3cd0c
Dec 12 21:01:50 <Serdar> okay
Dec 12 21:02:16 <Serdar> what does ADBHOST="192.168.0.200" ./adb kill-server
Dec 12 21:02:37 <Serdar> after ADBHOST="192.168.0.200" ./adb devices
Dec 12 21:03:16 <GovCon> no output :/
Dec 12 21:03:29 <GovCon> oh wait
Dec 12 21:03:32 <Serdar> nopaste please.
Dec 12 21:04:05 <GovCon> http://pastebin.com/m29d7b00e
Dec 12 21:05:02 <Serdar> maybe without ""
Dec 12 21:05:51 <GovCon> exact same result
Dec 12 21:10:22 <larlin> GovCon, with Windows support the problem is easy I don't think any of the devs uses windows for the freerunner and it's a pita to support things that you don't have...
Dec 12 21:10:32 <larlin> Will see if I can add something reading the pastes now
Dec 12 21:10:41 <GovCon> thanks :]
Dec 12 21:10:42 <Serdar> he is useing linux on vm
Dec 12 21:13:43 <larlin> GovCon, are you trying to forward the whole usb device to the vm or do you have it set up to connect to the freerunner on the hostmachine and then forwarding the network? (sorry if my termonology is wrong I'm not using vm's alot)
Dec 12 21:14:50 <GovCon> whole usb device as far as im aware is being forwarded
Dec 12 21:15:30 <larlin> do you see anything some sounds right with lsusb?
Dec 12 21:16:54 <GovCon> http://pastebin.com/m46859f65
Dec 12 21:18:14 <larlin> that looks about right
Dec 12 21:24:39 <larlin> have you always tried ADBHOST=192.168.0.200???
Dec 12 21:24:51 <larlin> the moko have ip 192.168.0.202
Dec 12 21:25:26 <larlin> GovCon, so it should be
Dec 12 21:25:26 <larlin> ADBHOST=192.168.0.202 ./adb devices
Dec 12 21:25:32 <GovCon> thats what the wiki said to try :/
Dec 12 21:25:33 <GovCon> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/AndroidDebugBridge
Dec 12 21:25:48 <GovCon> owait
Dec 12 21:25:52 <GovCon> no it doesnt :]
Dec 12 21:26:46 <GovCon> yay
Dec 12 21:27:07 * GovCon buys larlin a christmas present
Dec 12 21:27:14 <GovCon> well caught!
Dec 12 21:27:29 <GovCon> i blame serdar :p "<Serdar> what does ADBHOST="192.168.0.200" ./adb kill-server"
Dec 12 21:27:53 <larlin> hahaa easy misstake to do =)
Dec 12 21:28:37 <GovCon> List of devices attached
Dec 12 21:28:38 <GovCon> emulator-5554	device
Dec 12 21:28:59 <larlin> yeah that is right
Dec 12 21:29:22 <larlin> we should propably try to change that name if we can =)
Dec 12 21:40:05 <Serdar> oO
Dec 12 21:54:29 <Serdar> larlin, show me your present at FOSDEM!
Dec 12 21:55:23 <larlin> will do! =)
Dec 12 21:56:55 <Serdar> tommorow is Fortuna Duesseldorf vs. Rot-Weiss Oberhausen :/ need to go there.
Dec 12 21:57:13 <Serdar> 3 services to do till new year.
Dec 13 00:59:00 <Bish> Serdar2: wieso reconnecstest so haeufig?
Dec 13 01:36:03 <d1b> GovCon: linux is awesome!
Dec 13 01:36:29 <d1b> Serdar1: wa?
Dec 13 01:36:50 <Bish> GovCon: Hell yeah!
Dec 13 01:37:20 <d1b> GovCon: not using linux to work with the android, is just asking for a world of pain :P
Dec 13 01:37:45 * d1b goes back to trying to get an apk working
Dec 13 01:37:54 <Bish> d1b: still cant decide if i want samsung galaxy, help me
Dec 13 01:37:59 <d1b> Bish: lol.
Dec 13 01:38:11 <d1b> android is really nice and the galaxy is probably able to make high quality "phone calls"
Dec 13 01:38:20 <d1b> those things which the freerunner doesn't make well
Dec 13 01:38:22 <d1b> :P
Dec 13 01:38:25 <Bish> lol, yeah
Dec 13 01:39:08 <d1b> i just want to get my "helloworld" apk on my phone now....
Dec 13 01:39:28 <Bish> written in.. java?
Dec 13 01:39:30 <Bish> just like the other stuff?
Dec 13 01:39:39 <d1b> Bish: yeah i know java, isn't an issue.
Dec 13 01:39:51 <Bish> hm,
Dec 13 01:39:54 <d1b> just remember the java on the phone is fast, it isn't the sun jvm.
Dec 13 01:40:01 <d1b> the sun jvm sucks balls
Dec 13 01:40:34 <Bish> what is it?
Dec 13 01:41:04 <Bish> anyways i dont like java coz of its syntax and stuff
Dec 13 01:41:14 <Bish> im not a fan of object-oriented either
Dec 13 01:47:18 <d1b> Bish: i like oo, because it makes people *code* methods /functions.
Dec 13 01:47:27 <d1b> instead of having 1000 line main
Dec 13 01:52:34 <d1b>  / should
Dec 13 02:21:38 <Bish> hm, im going to sleep
Dec 13 02:21:38 <Bish> gn8
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