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Dec 22 08:23:24 <Zorkman> any ETA on a working, flashable Eclair image? (e.g. a month/three months...)
Dec 22 08:36:07 <pbaxter> hi all
Dec 22 08:43:01 <mvzaanen> Morning
Dec 22 08:43:31 <pbaxter> morning mvzaanen
Dec 22 08:43:33 <pbaxter> how are you?
Dec 22 08:43:39 <mvzaanen> I'm relativelly ok
Dec 22 08:43:41 <mvzaanen> -l
Dec 22 08:43:47 <mvzaanen> how are you?
Dec 22 08:47:46 <pbaxter> quite fine
Dec 22 08:47:54 <pbaxter> just got up from my sleep
Dec 22 08:51:40 <mvzaanen> where are you located again?
Dec 22 08:52:04 <pbaxter> in Milan, italy
Dec 22 08:52:07 <pbaxter> and you?
Dec 22 08:52:12 <mvzaanen> Tilburg, the Netherlands
Dec 22 08:52:57 <pbaxter> wow
Dec 22 08:54:19 <mvzaanen> our country is really not well equipped for snow
Dec 22 08:55:10 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: but very well equipped for bycicle!!!!
Dec 22 08:55:20 <mvzaanen> yeah... fortunately :D
Dec 22 08:55:23 <mvzaanen> we don't even have a car
Dec 22 08:55:32 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: but very well equipped for bycicle!!!!
Dec 22 08:55:36 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: it's cool!
Dec 22 08:56:25 <pbaxter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLQcAtbTeJ0
Dec 22 08:57:02 <mvzaanen> hmm flash doesn't work
Dec 22 09:00:12 <mvzaanen> the topic suggests that there might be a relatively stable eclair version?
Dec 22 09:05:17 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: there is
Dec 22 09:05:23 <pbaxter> but it has problems with calendar own
Dec 22 09:05:26 <pbaxter> now*
Dec 22 09:05:27 <mvzaanen> interesting
Dec 22 09:05:38 <mvzaanen> but the calendar on cupcake didn't sync either, right?
Dec 22 09:05:51 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: on eclair it doesn't open
Dec 22 09:06:22 <mvzaanen> well, I currently don't use it anyway, as it doesn't sync
Dec 22 09:07:51 <mvzaanen> it would be nice to have a syncing calander
Dec 22 09:07:54 <mvzaanen> calendar
Dec 22 09:24:33 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: but you use cupcake as daily?
Dec 22 09:24:44 <mvzaanen> yeah
Dec 22 09:24:50 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: which version?
Dec 22 09:24:53 <mvzaanen> I use an older cupcake, week 48 or something
Dec 22 09:24:58 <mvzaanen> weekly
Dec 22 09:25:06 <mvzaanen> I think I'll update it soon, today or tomorrow
Dec 22 09:25:16 <mvzaanen> it looks like the latest weekly has some improvements
Dec 22 09:25:23 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: i think yes
Dec 22 09:25:29 <pbaxter> i tried eclair and is faster
Dec 22 09:25:53 <mvzaanen> really?
Dec 22 09:25:55 <mvzaanen> that's pretty cool
Dec 22 09:25:57 <pbaxter> really
Dec 22 09:26:02 <mvzaanen> what's the battery life on eclair?
Dec 22 09:26:03 <pbaxter> but read the email in mailing list
Dec 22 09:26:07 <pbaxter> don't know
Dec 22 09:26:09 <pbaxter> just flashed
Dec 22 09:26:15 <pbaxter> i'd like to try to use it today
Dec 22 09:26:18 <mvzaanen> ah, ok
Dec 22 09:26:22 <mvzaanen> haven't read the mailinglist yet
Dec 22 09:26:25 <mvzaanen> cool
Dec 22 09:26:30 <mvzaanen> do the same apps run on it?
Dec 22 09:26:41 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: but have you tried other distro such as qtmoko shr or so?
Dec 22 09:26:44 <pbaxter> i like qtmoko
Dec 22 09:26:52 <pbaxter> first becose telefone part worksà
Dec 22 09:26:53 <mvzaanen> I've used OM a while ago
Dec 22 09:27:00 <pbaxter> second because it's debian
Dec 22 09:27:06 <mvzaanen> I've never had any problems with AoF
Dec 22 09:27:15 <mvzaanen> yeah being able to simply ssh to the phone is nice
Dec 22 09:27:27 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: me neither but there were somethings that didn't work
Dec 22 09:27:33 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: i have to go right now
Dec 22 09:27:36 <pbaxter> cya later
Dec 22 09:27:50 <mvzaanen> sure
Dec 22 09:27:50 <mvzaanen> take care
Dec 22 09:28:02 <pbaxter> u2
Dec 22 09:38:53 <mvzaanen> wow, call volume improved!
Dec 22 09:38:57 <mvzaanen> that's what I'd love to test
Dec 22 09:44:13 <schasch> just flashed a todays eclair build....
Dec 22 09:44:18 <schasch> didn't boot...
Dec 22 09:44:39 <schasch> maybe becaise I did not clean the SD with cupcake stuff?
Dec 22 09:45:02 <schasch> (build eclair myself by the standard repo)
Dec 22 09:45:27 <schasch> did nomebody else test it?
Dec 22 09:56:04 <mvzaanen> pbaxter was running eclair
Dec 22 09:56:08 <mvzaanen> but I think that's from the weekly
Dec 22 10:00:03 <schasch> aha...I added some apps,busybox and wpa_supplicant.conf like I do in cupcake...I'll test without thoes changes...
Dec 22 10:03:52 <mvzaanen> busybox?
Dec 22 10:17:20 <schasch> yes...busybox....
Dec 22 10:17:42 <schasch> works...withit you can find and grep...
Dec 22 10:18:25 <schasch> copy in rootfs and symply ln -s tp 'find' ....
Dec 22 10:18:36 <schasch> s/tp/to
Dec 22 10:19:21 <mvzaanen> sounds good
Dec 22 10:19:32 <schasch> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner#Busybox
Dec 22 10:20:00 <schasch> and if you start sh  ...you get a shell-automation.....
Dec 22 10:20:07 <schasch> :-)
Dec 22 10:20:15 <mvzaanen> nice
Dec 22 10:20:25 <mvzaanen> I wonder if there's an ssh server for android as well
Dec 22 10:20:26 <mvzaanen> :D
Dec 22 10:20:39 <schasch> (I hate the standart shell without path completion
Dec 22 10:20:45 <mvzaanen> yeah
Dec 22 10:20:48 <mvzaanen> that's pretty crappy
Dec 22 10:21:22 <schasch> ...but with the busybox/sh  it works  \o/
Dec 22 10:23:00 <schasch> ./busybox --install did not work for me... manuall ln -s works
Dec 22 10:23:32 <mvzaanen> k
Dec 22 10:53:11 <schasch> hi...
Dec 22 10:53:23 <schasch> I asked a question on mailinglist...
Dec 22 10:53:23 <schasch> v
Dec 22 10:53:36 <schasch> where ca I download this eclair build?
Dec 22 10:54:09 <schasch> the one i downloaded from panicking(06.12.09) does not boot from flash on my FR
Dec 22 10:54:22 <schasch> s/v/http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/browse_thread/thread/1f889d308ec202f2
Dec 22 10:54:24 <schasch> :-)
Dec 22 10:55:37 <schasch> pbaxter: did you buils eclair yourself?
Dec 22 11:49:18 <pbaxter> schasch: no...i took the one in download ;)
Dec 22 11:53:27 <schasch> pbaxter: I flashed the kernel.img ....  have to takre the uImage....I am testing now...
Dec 22 11:55:35 <panicking> Hi all
Dec 22 11:55:52 <panicking> I have fixed the kernel panic
Dec 22 11:55:55 <panicking> of the wifi
Dec 22 11:55:57 <panicking> during resume
Dec 22 11:56:02 <panicking> on android
Dec 22 11:56:21 <panicking> because I have received
Dec 22 11:56:28 <panicking> my expensive DEBUG board
Dec 22 11:57:04 <larlin> panicking, yay DEBUG board great work!
Dec 22 11:58:09 <pbaxter> hi all again
Dec 22 11:58:29 <pbaxter> eclair has the problem that, after suspend, it's slower
Dec 22 12:00:30 <mvzaanen> ai
Dec 22 12:00:44 <mvzaanen> expensive?
Dec 22 12:01:37 <schasch> pbaxter: thanks...great work...
Dec 22 12:02:44 <schasch> panicking:thanks too...i  will test...
Dec 22 12:09:01 <panicking> Can we check all the feedback pending and close that bug
Dec 22 12:27:39 <pbaxter> panicking: have you read what i've seen on eclair?
Dec 22 12:27:56 <pbaxter> mvzaanen: expensive? what?
Dec 22 12:28:05 <mvzaanen> expensive debug board
Dec 22 12:30:39 <panicking> yes
Dec 22 12:30:46 <panicking> for me was
Dec 22 12:30:51 <panicking> 99 euro
Dec 22 12:31:36 <mvzaanen> wow
Dec 22 12:31:58 <pbaxter> panicking: ???
Dec 22 12:32:00 <pbaxter> so much?=
Dec 22 12:32:53 <panicking> http://www.tuxbrain.com/oscommerce/products/29
Dec 22 12:34:52 <mvzaanen> what about http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo Freerunner%3ADebug Board
Dec 22 12:35:01 <mvzaanen> E49 there
Dec 22 12:35:29 <pbaxter> panicking: why didn't you try pulster? they work good!
Dec 22 12:35:36 <mvzaanen> yeah
Dec 22 12:36:00 <panicking> I know
Dec 22 12:36:03 <panicking> but too late
Dec 22 12:36:13 <panicking> We need
Dec 22 12:36:16 <mvzaanen> yeah
Dec 22 12:36:16 <panicking> it and I buy
Dec 22 12:36:35 <mvzaanen> eeps E25
Dec 22 12:38:29 <pbaxter> panicking: have you read problems of eclair on mailing list?
Dec 22 12:41:08 <panicking> yes and I give you an answer
Dec 22 12:41:57 <pbaxter> i read now ;)
Dec 22 12:46:05 <pbaxter> panicking: cannot
Dec 22 12:46:20 <pbaxter> i just flashed something else as i need as daily ;)
Dec 22 12:46:26 <pbaxter> if there is a version to try on SD
Dec 22 13:01:46 <schasch> just installed an own build from actuall repo sync
Dec 22 13:01:52 <schasch> and tested some apps
Dec 22 13:01:55 <schasch> http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/browse_thread/thread/bf8102a2ad7a5d9b/ab781ccd23560f3b?lnk=gst&q=eclair#ab781ccd23560f3b
Dec 22 13:02:17 <schasch> eclair  ...
Dec 22 13:03:51 <larlin> schasch, does app that don't fill the screen are they using the eclair libs to handle screen size?
Dec 22 13:06:51 <schasch> larlin: I do not know...how can I find out?
Dec 22 13:07:27 <larlin> I'm trying to see if there is any info on the OI site right now
Dec 22 13:09:02 <schasch> had to reboot ....Lock was hanging...
Dec 22 13:09:19 <larlin> what version of OI Notepad did you use?
Dec 22 13:09:34 <schasch> pfff...I have to look....
Dec 22 13:10:22 <schasch> Notepad 1.1.1-rc1
Dec 22 13:10:54 <larlin> that is old and don't use the screensize managing stuff try 1.1.3 and see if that works
Dec 22 13:11:26 <larlin> it would be good to get it tested as it is a feature in eclair that would be nice to know if it works or not
Dec 22 13:11:54 <mvzaanen> schasch: does FBReader work?
Dec 22 13:12:08 <schasch> ok...wait... compiled the 1.1.1. myself....
Dec 22 13:12:22 <schasch> you have a link for 1.1.3
Dec 22 13:12:25 <schasch> ?
Dec 22 13:12:51 <larlin> http://www.openintents.org/en/node/129
Dec 22 13:16:24 <schasch> can not install that
Dec 22 13:16:33 <larlin> okay what does it say?
Dec 22 13:17:27 <schasch> can not download it...
Dec 22 13:17:40 <schasch> trying with safe...
Dec 22 13:18:08 <larlin> http://openintents.googlecode.com/files/Notepad-1.1.3.apk
Dec 22 13:18:13 <larlin> someone messed up the link
Dec 22 13:18:26 <schasch> can not remode the old version because it was in my jffs2
Dec 22 13:19:43 <schasch> s/remode/remove
Dec 22 13:19:57 <schasch> can I remove an apk by adb?
Dec 22 13:20:06 <schasch> adb shell?
Dec 22 13:20:41 <pbaxter> schasch larlin --> but can i install apk from cupcake to eclair?
Dec 22 13:21:19 <larlin> schasch, to remove go
Dec 22 13:21:19 <larlin> Applications Menu ->Settings->Manage Applications.
Dec 22 13:21:19 <larlin> "Uninstall"
Dec 22 13:21:46 <larlin> pbaxter, they should work but as the way they handle screensizes has changed that may be messed up
Dec 22 13:22:13 <pbaxter> larlin: ok
Dec 22 13:22:43 <schasch> Settings->Manage Applications does not work.... says no external apps installed (because I build it in my jffs2)
Dec 22 13:23:20 <larlin> humm the apps are in /system/app you could remove it there with adb shell
Dec 22 13:23:21 <schasch> adb install :: Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_ALREADY_EXISTS]
Dec 22 13:24:07 <larlin> schasch, there should be a apk there that you can remove I think that should work atleast
Dec 22 13:26:54 <schasch> rm /system/app/NotePad-source-1.1.1-rc1.apk
Dec 22 13:27:09 <schasch> adb install ...v
Dec 22 13:27:11 <schasch> Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_UPDATE_INCOMPATIBLE]
Dec 22 13:27:26 <schasch> so I should rebuild my jffs2
Dec 22 13:27:31 <schasch> ?
Dec 22 13:27:55 <larlin> looks like it yes
Dec 22 13:28:12 <larlin> could be that the file system is read only or something like that
Dec 22 13:28:32 <schasch> I had to do a remount for the rm...
Dec 22 13:28:39 <schasch> rw rempunt
Dec 22 13:28:44 <schasch> rm remount
Dec 22 13:29:00 <schasch> ...pfff... I mean rw remount..
Dec 22 13:29:01 <schasch> :-)
Dec 22 13:29:32 <schasch> the filemanager does not set the hole screen too...
Dec 22 13:29:37 <larlin> k I guess it saves some info about the apk somewhere else or somenthing like that
Dec 22 13:30:06 <larlin> I think the versions you have was made before eclair was released so they all have the same problem
Dec 22 13:30:13 <schasch> I wonder too that I can not remove it by settings/apps...
Dec 22 13:30:34 <schasch> yes...the are all old....
Dec 22 13:30:58 <schasch> so No ideas? I should rebuild...
Dec 22 13:31:02 <schasch> ?
Dec 22 13:31:21 <larlin> it's because you installed it in the image android thinks that they are part of the os and not user installed (the operators installs apps in the same way no easy way to remove them)
Dec 22 13:31:21 <larlin> No more ideas sorry =)
Dec 22 13:31:58 <schasch> :-) no problem... I will rebuild...
Dec 22 13:32:14 <schasch> larlin: how can I tell my image to mount rw?
Dec 22 13:32:27 <schasch> changing the init.rc does NOT help!
Dec 22 13:32:55 <larlin> I have no idea about that sorry
Dec 22 13:33:42 <schasch> K
Dec 22 13:33:48 <schasch> OK
Dec 22 14:20:45 <d1b> morning
Dec 22 14:21:08 <d1b> does the eclair aux work again ?
Dec 22 14:36:40 <pbaxter> d1b: it works on weekly 52
Dec 22 14:48:54 <d1b> pbaxter: as in it is partical back not full back?
Dec 22 14:59:14 <pbaxter> d1b: ?_?
Dec 22 15:01:09 <d1b> pbaxter: nm. wifi doesn't work for me does it work for you?
Dec 22 15:04:12 <d1b> ah yes the audio is much better
Dec 22 15:06:03 <pbaxter> d1b: no, i didn't try
Dec 22 15:07:32 <d1b> pbaxter: it says something about the 600 not being able to be started (ar)
Dec 22 15:11:01 <d1b> panicking: does wifi work on eclair ?
Dec 22 15:16:09 <schasch> pbaxter: 1.1.3 is OK....and the new filemanager too!
Dec 22 15:20:48 <jancona> d1b: No, not yet
Dec 22 15:20:49 <d1b> mvzaanen: you could use the google stuffz...
Dec 22 15:21:09 <mvzaanen> how does that work?
Dec 22 15:23:09 <d1b> jancona: ok.
Dec 22 15:23:26 <d1b> btw is there any diff between week 48 /52 (has anything happened to improve the cupcake images) ?
Dec 22 15:24:09 <d1b> the volume on eclair is great tho.
Dec 22 15:24:19 <d1b> can i just copy the alsaconf ?
Dec 22 15:25:28 <jancona> d1b: There are a bunch of kernel changes in cupcake week 52
Dec 22 15:25:37 <d1b> jancona: to the ril ?
Dec 22 15:27:36 <d1b> ooo eclair is a most broken thing atm :P
Dec 22 15:27:38 <d1b> look good tho.
Dec 22 15:28:00 <d1b> hehe, its  stuck in airplane mode :P
Dec 22 15:28:34 <jancona> d1b: Some RIL changes too
Dec 22 15:28:59 <d1b> ok so 52 should fix stuff?
Dec 22 15:29:11 <d1b> some*
Dec 22 15:29:39 <d1b> i take it i really need the eclair kernel for the eclair image :P
Dec 22 15:30:52 <d1b> id like to help out. although i don't where / how i could be of use.
Dec 22 16:07:16 <panicking> jancona, I fix the panic on resume
Dec 22 16:07:19 <panicking> for the wifi
Dec 22 16:07:21 <panicking> I suppose
Dec 22 16:08:09 <jancona> panicking: Is that the panic on resume when plugged into usb?
Dec 22 16:08:17 <panicking> yes
Dec 22 16:08:26 <panicking> it was releated to the wifi
Dec 22 16:08:54 <jancona> Great!
Dec 22 16:09:35 <d1b> btw whats with the better audio volume on eclair?
Dec 22 16:11:11 <d1b> is alsa done differently now?
Dec 22 16:15:22 <panicking> yes
Dec 22 16:15:26 <panicking> it's different
Dec 22 16:19:09 <jancona> panicking: Should I merge that change to the Eclair kernel?
Dec 22 16:22:51 <panicking> yes
Dec 22 16:23:04 <panicking> Can we check the feedbackPending bug and close
Dec 22 16:23:06 <panicking> ?
Dec 22 16:23:14 <panicking> when is it possible>
Dec 22 16:23:24 <panicking> because now I'm looking to find some new issue
Dec 22 16:50:34 <d1b> jancona: i assume wifi will take some work...
Dec 22 16:52:12 <jancona> d1b: I'm not sure--I haven't looked at it yet. It's number one on my AOF list, but there are lots of other things on the plate this week
Dec 22 16:52:25 <d1b> jancona: sure.
Dec 22 16:52:59 <d1b> great work tho :P
Dec 22 16:54:13 <jancona> Thanks--especially by Michael
Dec 22 16:56:34 <larlin> panicking, wich feedbackPending bug are you refering to?
Dec 22 17:13:01 <Serdar> hi
Dec 22 18:30:24 <sirkha_top> hi, i am trying to get the panicking images going on my freerunner, and i have managed to get to the splash screen and then nothing happens, any ideas?
Dec 22 20:28:14 <Serdar> hi
Dec 22 20:33:54 <panicking> Do you test the resume panic?
Dec 22 20:34:00 <Serdar> me?
Dec 22 20:34:12 <Serdar> which resume panic?
Dec 22 20:35:06 <panicking> do you have an old flash version
Dec 22 20:35:06 <panicking> ?
Dec 22 20:35:15 <panicking> ok connect the modo
Dec 22 20:35:17 <panicking> moko
Dec 22 20:35:17 <Serdar> eclair cupcake?
Dec 22 20:35:24 <panicking> cupcake
Dec 22 20:35:26 <panicking> for example
Dec 22 20:35:31 <Serdar> I have eclair flashed
Dec 22 20:35:34 <panicking> ok
Dec 22 20:35:37 <panicking> it's the same
Dec 22 20:35:40 <panicking> connect to the usb
Dec 22 20:35:43 <panicking> plug
Dec 22 20:35:49 <panicking> and request to go to suspend
Dec 22 20:35:54 <panicking> with switch on wifi
Dec 22 20:36:05 <Serdar> wait
Dec 22 20:36:11 <Serdar> first I have mac os x
Dec 22 20:37:20 <Serdar> okay switch wifi on - plug the cable - suspend, that's right?
Dec 22 20:37:59 <Serdar> I can't start wifi
Dec 22 20:38:29 <Serdar> unable to start Wi-Fi
Dec 22 20:38:47 <panicking> ok so you need
Dec 22 20:38:49 <panicking> a cupcake
Dec 22 20:38:54 <Serdar> hm
Dec 22 20:39:23 <Serdar> all I need is love, ask the beatles :D
Dec 22 20:39:47 <Serdar> you want improve cupcake fist before switch to eclair?
Dec 22 20:45:19 <Serdar> http://www.vogella.de/articles/Android/article.html#overview_android is this article useful?
Dec 22 23:17:42 <sirkha_top> hi, i tried both the panicking images and i get stuck on the splash screen, any ideas?
Dec 22 23:18:37 <sirkha_top> (by both, i mean the newest eclair and cupcake images, with corresponding kernels)
Dec 23 02:45:19 <alephnull> What is the incantation to start wpa_supplicant manually ?
Dec 23 02:47:23 <alephnull> I have the old "/data/system/wpa_supplicant/eth0: No such file or directory" error when starting wifi. It does not work just after booting either.
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