**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 23 02:59:57 2009 Dec 23 05:21:00 hi, has the glamo accelleration code been added to the android-on-freerunner code-base for cupcake weeklys? Dec 23 06:53:27 sirkha_top1: did you put the files on the sdcard properly? Dec 23 06:54:05 d1b: umm, i hate to have to ask that, but what question of mine are you answering? Dec 23 06:55:45 sirkha_top1: waaay up Dec 23 06:56:03 10:17 < sirkha_top> hi, i tried both the panicking images and i get stuck on Dec 23 06:56:04 ah, well, with the panicking images, i just flashed them using dfu-util Dec 23 06:56:17 sirkha_top1: right. Dec 23 06:56:19 i got the android-on-freerunner images working Dec 23 06:56:23 k. Dec 23 06:56:39 eclair is nice :P Dec 23 06:56:47 but broken still. Dec 23 06:56:57 hmm, am i missing something with the panicking images regarding the sdcard? Dec 23 06:57:20 yeah, i treid the week 52 eclair build, and it sort of half worked Dec 23 06:57:38 it was cutting my outgoing voice off unless i raised my voice Dec 23 06:57:45 sirkha_top1: oh. Dec 23 06:57:49 but other than that, the phone stuff seemed to work Dec 23 06:58:05 but it still had other issues Dec 23 06:58:20 sirkha_top1: cupcake is stable tho, just not loud enough... Dec 23 06:58:27 yeah Dec 23 06:58:36 i was wondering, why isn't there a volume setting, somewhere Dec 23 06:58:39 fix that and it would be a useable phone. Dec 23 06:59:29 mhmm Dec 23 07:01:06 as for cupcake, i can't seem to get wifi or gprs working (though the gprs thing may have something to do with being in a crappy area) Dec 23 07:01:12 and I can't figure out how to close things Dec 23 07:01:25 i can go back, but it seems like it just leaves the thing open Dec 23 07:01:31 sirkha_top1: correct Dec 23 07:01:37 you cannot actually close things. Dec 23 07:01:44 hmm Dec 23 07:01:57 on purpose? Dec 23 07:02:07 morning...any of you has a running SSH-server on his AoF? Dec 23 07:02:32 schasch: do you have busybox? Dec 23 07:02:44 dib: YES Dec 23 07:02:55 oh... really? Dec 23 07:05:08 dib: I include it in my build... Dec 23 07:05:09 http://paste.debian.net/54735/ Dec 23 07:06:17 ...but we need SSH/DROPBEAR.... Dec 23 07:06:37 schasch: why do you need ssh ? Dec 23 07:06:57 / want Dec 23 07:08:13 then I can access the Fr from a device without adb... Dec 23 07:08:29 found something on : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?s=b23b35294422cf5fd56b96af54d03789&t=442754 Dec 23 07:08:33 but...? Dec 23 07:10:33 dib: can you playvideo's? Dec 23 07:10:39 or smeone else? Dec 23 07:10:51 schasch: not very well ... / dont think so :P Dec 23 07:12:07 I got one mp4 recorded with a normal handy...wich I got played ...but without sound.... Dec 23 07:20:02 mm week 52 seems a lot slower than week 48 Dec 23 07:25:40 * d1b is tempted to make a keyboard which doesn't suck Dec 23 08:03:50 Morning Dec 23 09:18:26 hi Dec 23 09:18:43 hey Dec 23 09:20:22 goeden morgen. Dec 23 09:21:11 Hi Dec 23 09:21:44 it's goedemorgen :D Dec 23 09:22:49 10% error of measurement Dec 23 09:22:53 Serdar do you think that is a good thing to add a paypal donation on my blog? Dec 23 09:23:06 I was thinking to use money to buy bluetooth handset Dec 23 09:23:12 and any particular Dec 23 09:23:17 thing that I can test on it Dec 23 09:23:26 why not. Dec 23 09:23:38 Because I can't test some issue Dec 23 09:23:41 and sincerly Dec 23 09:23:47 I dont' want to buy Dec 23 09:23:52 bluettoh hanset Dec 23 09:23:58 because I don't use a lot themobile Dec 23 09:25:16 what bluetooth handset? Dec 23 09:25:24 I might have one of these in-ear things Dec 23 09:25:31 not sure if that's bluetooth though Dec 23 09:26:13 I have a bluetooth headset somewhere, but no idea where. Dec 23 09:26:37 if mine is bluetooth, I don't mind sending it Dec 23 09:31:22 or bringing to FOSDEM :D Dec 23 09:32:23 I'm not sure I can go Dec 23 09:32:32 why? Dec 23 09:32:44 work Dec 23 09:32:46 it's in front of your door Dec 23 09:32:51 at saturday and sunday? Dec 23 09:33:24 ah, I thought it was during the week Dec 23 09:33:38 during weekends I'm typically with my family (otherwise I hardly see them) Dec 23 09:33:53 I might reconsider Dec 23 09:34:21 are you going as well, panicking? Dec 23 09:34:42 schasch: what do you mean by not knowing how to log in? Dec 23 09:34:46 ssh will do the trick Dec 23 09:36:12 mvzaanen: hello.... I mean log in from my PC by SSH... Dec 23 09:36:20 ...into FR Dec 23 09:36:26 yeah Dec 23 09:36:30 do you run linux? Dec 23 09:36:58 ssh 192.168.0.202 does it Dec 23 09:37:05 that's why my script prints the IP ADDRESS Dec 23 09:37:05 :D Dec 23 09:41:49 does that work? Dec 23 09:45:47 ssh 192.168.0.202 Dec 23 09:45:47 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 23 09:46:06 nmap.... Dec 23 09:46:07 PORT STATE SERVICE Dec 23 09:46:07 5555/tcp open freeciv Dec 23 09:46:40 no result by adb shell on ps aux | grep ssh or dropbear Dec 23 09:47:10 hmmm yeah FR doesn't run an ssh server Dec 23 09:47:21 I thought you had dropbear running there Dec 23 09:47:44 what do you mean with here? Dec 23 09:47:55 my PC? Dec 23 09:48:05 no, fr should run an ssh server Dec 23 09:48:41 yes...that was my questions if somebody got a ssh-server for AoF... Dec 23 09:48:46 yeah Dec 23 09:49:15 ...like I activated busybox on my AoF Dec 23 09:49:22 yeah Dec 23 09:49:25 http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/browse_thread/thread/6c02a82e90b88c7f Dec 23 09:49:29 I'm not sure dropbear will work Dec 23 09:49:31 haven't tried Dec 23 09:49:58 that's on busybox Dec 23 09:50:31 aha.... Dec 23 09:51:44 dropbear on busybox...? Dec 23 09:52:45 nope Dec 23 09:52:49 the link you pasted Dec 23 09:52:52 is about busybox Dec 23 09:53:00 yes... Dec 23 09:53:48 I thought like busybox couls dropbear run on AoF too.... Dec 23 09:54:01 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?s=b23b35294422cf5fd56b96af54d03789&t=442754 Dec 23 09:54:08 ..they did it... Dec 23 09:54:39 probably Dec 23 09:54:59 I asked if somebody did it for AoF like those xda-guys... Dec 23 09:55:28 http://www.vogella.de/articles/Android/article.html#overview_android+ Dec 23 09:56:18 hmm unfortunately, I don't have time to look into this now Dec 23 10:13:45 I have the instruction Dec 23 10:13:47 to test Dec 23 10:28:06 ok Dec 23 10:28:11 I have fixed some light problem Dec 23 10:56:15 I think tha we have button light and maybe charging ligh Dec 23 10:56:23 sweet Dec 23 10:56:32 there are different colours, right? Dec 23 10:56:55 can you update me Dec 23 10:57:00 I use orange Dec 23 10:57:04 for charging Dec 23 10:57:14 isn't there a green light as well? Dec 23 10:57:18 I dont' know Dec 23 10:57:24 Ah do you have a link Dec 23 10:57:25 ? Dec 23 10:57:35 no, sorry Dec 23 10:57:42 just my memory Dec 23 10:57:59 but refer to the same butto Dec 23 10:58:00 n Dec 23 10:59:13 ah, both buttons have lights Dec 23 11:01:59 I'm away for a bit Dec 23 11:16:10 yes I know Dec 23 11:16:21 for now I put buttons light Dec 23 11:44:53 We must decide how to use the light Dec 23 11:45:09 send me some proposal Dec 23 11:45:15 and I implement it on android Dec 23 12:11:43 hi all Dec 23 12:21:01 hi Dec 23 12:21:38 hi/ping Dec 23 12:22:23 hi Ser Dec 23 12:22:26 hi Serdar Dec 23 12:22:37 is serdar-dere.net available? Dec 23 12:22:45 wait Dec 23 12:23:03 Serdar: yes Dec 23 12:23:12 hmm Dec 23 12:23:16 you can ping it? Dec 23 12:23:38 ok wait Dec 23 12:24:23 pbaxter@pbaxter-laptop:~$ ping http://serdar-dere.net Dec 23 12:24:24 ping: unknown host http://serdar-dere.net Dec 23 12:24:24 pbaxter@pbaxter-laptop:~$ ping http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar Dec 23 12:24:24 ping: unknown host http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar Dec 23 12:24:29 no Dec 23 12:24:33 ping serdar-dere.net Dec 23 12:26:40 it's available Dec 23 12:26:54 empty, but available :) Dec 23 12:28:13 it pings Dec 23 14:52:27 Hi Dec 23 14:52:38 I have fix the leds for battery charging and keyboard Dec 23 14:52:45 I have pushed the two changes Dec 23 14:52:53 now the mobile show that it is on charging Dec 23 14:53:10 If we want a blue light when it is full charge Dec 23 14:53:14 is just a little change of the code Dec 23 14:53:27 this the 38 issue Dec 23 14:53:31 or try to fix Dec 23 15:07:22 that would be cool, panicking Dec 23 15:07:50 now the orange light is on when you charge the mobile Dec 23 15:08:09 and when you touch some keypad button (aux and power) Dec 23 15:11:58 Do you know where is the list of the bluetooth supported handfrees Dec 23 15:16:36 handfree? Dec 23 15:29:04 What is the incantation to start wpa_supplicant manually ? Dec 23 15:29:23 alephnull: i think it works without manual Dec 23 15:29:32 just go into settings wifi and then you configure from there Dec 23 15:29:38 to mei n cupcake worked Dec 23 15:36:52 pbaxter: I get the old "/data/system/wpa_supplicant/eth0: No such file or directory" error when starting wifi. Dec 23 15:37:14 mmm strange Dec 23 15:37:19 alephnull: but are you trying to put busybox on android? Dec 23 15:38:23 No. I updated the wpa_supplicant.conf and pushed that. Dec 23 15:39:33 (week 52, btw) Dec 23 15:42:31 alephnull: don't know Dec 23 15:49:06 hmmm, my init.rc keeps getting overwritten on reboot. Dec 23 15:50:56 Now I'm working on bluetooth Dec 23 15:50:58 a2dp Dec 23 15:52:32 alephnull: what overwritten? Dec 23 15:53:21 pbaxter: I made some changes, remounted / rw, pushed it to /init.rc. When I reboot, I get the init.rc that I started with, not the one with my changes. Dec 23 15:53:36 I guess it gets generated on boot. Do you know where ? Dec 23 15:53:50 alephnull: just make a try Dec 23 15:53:58 try to remove the init.rc before pushing yours Dec 23 15:54:12 ok Dec 23 15:59:47 yes it's in the images Dec 23 15:59:49 of kernel Dec 23 15:59:53 I suppose Dec 23 16:04:09 panicking: I see. So, how do I change it ? Dec 23 16:04:25 pbaxter: Didn't make a difference. Dec 23 16:04:47 alephnull: don't know how to help you Dec 23 16:08:04 rebuild Dec 23 16:08:41 panicking: ok. Dec 23 16:22:29 repo sync Dec 23 16:22:41 I have done some changes today Dec 23 16:24:41 tsk, GPRS doesn't work either... Dec 23 16:34:07 Doesn't work is a big word Dec 23 16:34:10 has some trouble Dec 23 16:34:12 :) Dec 23 16:37:12 I have no problem to connect with the gprs Dec 23 16:37:20 but connection can drop Dec 23 16:37:25 and it is quite impossible Dec 23 16:37:30 to have again Dec 23 16:37:31 :S Dec 23 16:37:32 :D Dec 23 16:37:56 Serdar2, can you rebuild Dec 23 16:37:58 the cupcake Dec 23 16:37:59 branch Dec 23 16:38:04 there are some few change Dec 23 16:42:29 panicking: I take your point. Dec 23 16:44:48 Is there a reason android has changed kernel semantics in this fashion ? It makes it hard to leverage existing kernel experience. Dec 23 16:46:14 oi Dec 23 16:46:59 alephnull, there is no change in kernel that affect gprs Dec 23 16:48:20 panicking: I mean that it's a Linux kernel mainly in name. It's not built nor structured like mainline. Dec 23 16:48:46 I'm just trying to get deep sleep enabled in init.rc for now. Dec 23 16:50:37 Can you try to explain? So the reason that we are not align with the mainline Dec 23 16:50:50 is because I would like to have a mobile phone Dec 23 16:51:09 and not a unstable device Dec 23 16:51:09 we are align to the latest official android kernel Dec 23 16:51:22 Clean up the kernel part doesn't give us a mobile phone Dec 23 16:51:26 or move to the new kernel Dec 23 16:51:34 there are part that are not kernel dependent Dec 23 16:51:52 The reason that I don't move on the new one is because the 2.6.3x Dec 23 16:52:08 develop flow is not on the mailing list like before Dec 23 16:52:23 but it's done by lars without a public discussion Dec 23 16:52:40 If I can move to the latest 2.6.33 but I think that we don't have more Dec 23 16:52:47 performance or feature Dec 23 16:52:50 but problem now Dec 23 16:53:15 The only interesting think in kernel side that can affect android is the drm Dec 23 16:53:23 mesa support that it still uncomplete Dec 23 16:54:29 panicking: I understand that the use case is different. But one of design goals of the original Freerunner was to be able to run the latest kernel on it. Dec 23 16:54:44 alephnull, I want to add some info to your discussion Dec 23 16:55:36 openmoko was never align to the mainline Dec 23 16:55:38 kernel Dec 23 16:55:39 There is an overhead to have to constantly port things from mainline to android's version of the Linux kernel. Dec 23 16:55:42 but merge sometimes Dec 23 16:56:07 The last merge was done by andy Dec 23 16:56:10 panicking: Agreed. Dec 23 16:56:10 to 2.6.29 Dec 23 16:56:30 So if we want to go in to mainline Dec 23 16:56:34 it's possible Dec 23 16:56:40 and it's not so many work Dec 23 16:56:47 I just prepare a new tree Dec 23 16:56:52 but there are some things Dec 23 16:57:00 that must be complete rewritten Dec 23 16:57:14 We can wait that larsc Dec 23 16:57:21 put all the things upstream Dec 23 16:57:24 an then realign Dec 23 16:57:27 to the latest one Dec 23 16:58:50 I did not intend to criticise the current workflow. I was questioning the rationale behind Google's decision to make Android's kernel different from mainline. Dec 23 17:00:17 rebuilding cupcake right? Dec 23 17:00:18 The only reason I can think of is that they didn't want to get involved in kernel development at all. Dec 23 17:01:17 Do you know why google has designed android Dec 23 17:01:27 I have an opposite opinion Dec 23 17:01:29 money? Dec 23 17:01:33 from Herald Helte Dec 23 17:01:34 no Dec 23 17:01:44 because you can use a pc enviroment Dec 23 17:01:47 for a mobile phone Dec 23 17:02:04 Becase they are thinking for somenthing differe Dec 23 17:02:06 nt Dec 23 17:02:25 That is my idea Dec 23 17:04:17 Fair enough. There's nothing to be gained by debating their motives though. It would have been "better" if they got involved in mainline and pushed stuff back, imho. Dec 23 17:05:12 They are trying to do Dec 23 17:05:22 the wake_lock -> suspend_lock Dec 23 17:05:28 patch for example Dec 23 17:06:27 Sure. I'm not saying that they are only leeching off other people's work. Dec 23 17:13:55 Ok Dec 23 17:15:05 alephnull, can you send this to the android-on-freerunner maling list Dec 23 17:15:08 to ask people Dec 23 17:15:15 if we want to move to the mailine Dec 23 17:15:40 but it can be a little bit different to what lars do Dec 23 17:15:47 because for me is 2.6.33 Dec 23 17:15:48 kernel Dec 23 17:16:34 panicking: Sure. I did send a mail earlier today but it didn't turn up. It was about wifi. Dec 23 17:18:18 panicking, that's okay? Dec 23 17:19:29 no the core Dec 23 17:19:34 framwork Dec 23 17:19:36 isnot align Dec 23 17:22:29 hmm I rebuild it after syncing. Dec 23 17:25:54 ok Dec 23 17:25:57 maybe is correct Dec 23 17:25:58 :) Dec 23 17:26:04 let mecheck Dec 23 17:26:29 hw Dec 23 17:26:32 is not sync Dec 23 17:27:04 ok Dec 23 17:27:06 repo sync now Dec 23 17:27:55 http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-betterandroid-launcher2-fakeiphone-Ati.aspx Dec 23 17:28:01 how can I download this skin Dec 23 17:28:01 ? Dec 23 18:23:50 repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git Dec 23 18:24:00 panicking: if give this command without telling the branch? Dec 23 18:24:03 what does it happen^? Dec 23 18:28:20 it takes, the default or master branch Dec 23 18:28:39 panicking, was the last build okay? Dec 23 18:29:13 panicking: which is the default branch? Dec 23 18:29:18 cupcake? Dec 23 18:29:35 check in the manifest file Dec 23 18:29:58 I never checkout in this way Dec 23 18:30:24 ok Dec 23 18:31:38 panicking: i cannot understand but i think it doesn0t matter Dec 23 18:31:41 my question is another Dec 23 18:31:54 how can i sync both repo (cupcake and eclair) and build separate images? Dec 23 18:35:28 good question Dec 23 18:35:31 I don't know Dec 23 18:36:48 mkdir eclair && mkdir cupcake Dec 23 18:37:28 cd eclair && repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b eclair && repo sync && make TARGET_PRODUCT=fr Dec 23 18:37:58 cd cupcake && repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b cupcake && repo sync && make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner Dec 23 18:42:01 hi again Dec 23 18:42:10 thanks Serdar Dec 23 20:18:48 Serdar: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/browse_thread/thread/19ccd40ae6ca3fc6 Dec 23 20:18:56 this mail is about eclair or cupcake? Dec 23 20:51:56 that's cupcake Dec 23 22:18:59 I think that the same change in lights driver can apply in eclair branch Dec 23 22:19:05 just need to merge them Dec 23 22:19:19 jancona, if you have time can you test the leds change in cupcake Dec 23 22:19:19 too? Dec 23 22:19:24 I'm going to bed Dec 23 22:19:25 :) Dec 24 00:50:25 hi jancona Dec 24 00:55:05 Hi Serdar Dec 24 01:01:08 [23:19] jancona, if you have time can you test the leds change in cupcake Dec 24 01:01:57 and Marry Chrismas?! Dec 24 01:08:52 I'll try **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 24 02:59:57 2009