**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 07 02:59:56 2010
Jan 07 08:08:05 <mvzaanen> Morning
Jan 07 13:02:30 <Serdar> hi
Jan 07 13:13:22 <mvzaanen> hey
Jan 07 13:27:37 <Serdar> mvzaanen, will you be at fosdem10?
Jan 07 13:27:45 <mvzaanen> I don't think so
Jan 07 13:27:47 <mvzaanen> unfortunately
Jan 07 13:28:26 <Serdar> why? don#t you live in Belgia or in Netherlands?
Jan 07 13:29:06 <mvzaanen> .nl
Jan 07 13:29:06 <mvzaanen> yes
Jan 07 13:29:15 <mvzaanen> I'll have a conference on the friday before
Jan 07 13:29:26 <mvzaanen> and need to make sure the kids are allright (they can't go to that conference)
Jan 07 13:33:27 <Serdar> why another conference?
Jan 07 13:35:41 <mvzaanen> work
Jan 07 13:35:42 <mvzaanen> CLIN
Jan 07 13:35:55 <mvzaanen> weekends are typically family time
Jan 07 13:36:07 <mvzaanen> my parents are watching the kids of friday
Jan 07 13:36:41 <Serdar> friday is beer event
Jan 07 13:36:50 <mvzaanen> that sounds interesting
Jan 07 13:36:54 <mvzaanen> but I'll be in Utrecht
Jan 07 13:37:12 <Serdar> isn't that nl?
Jan 07 13:37:25 <mvzaanen> yeah
Jan 07 13:38:42 <Serdar> hmm
Jan 07 13:39:32 <mvzaanen> you're going, right?
Jan 07 13:39:41 <Serdar> yes
Jan 07 13:40:13 <Serdar> I promised to bring Düsseldorfer Beer, so I must to be there :>
Jan 07 13:40:18 <mvzaanen> :D
Jan 07 13:40:37 <Serdar> and I want to get some google officials drunk to get a contract :>
Jan 07 13:41:17 <mvzaanen> ah
Jan 07 13:41:23 <mvzaanen> I had some google people calling me for a job
Jan 07 13:42:45 <mvzaanen> what's your background again?
Jan 07 13:42:58 <mvzaanen> perhaps I can introduce you (given that I can find the google addresses again)
Jan 07 13:42:59 <Serdar> background?
Jan 07 13:43:05 <mvzaanen> studies
Jan 07 13:43:07 <Serdar> I am a student :/
Jan 07 13:43:08 <mvzaanen> work
Jan 07 13:43:24 <mvzaanen> what program?
Jan 07 13:43:44 <Serdar> bachelor/master
Jan 07 13:44:00 <mvzaanen> no I meant what topic
Jan 07 13:44:15 <Serdar> operating systems and compiler
Jan 07 13:44:19 <mvzaanen> ah
Jan 07 13:44:24 <mvzaanen> when are you done?
Jan 07 13:44:44 <Serdar> don't ask :(
Jan 07 13:44:49 <mvzaanen> ah :D
Jan 07 13:45:27 <Serdar> I need a second subject but I didn't took one.
Jan 07 13:45:31 <mvzaanen> I know people at companies, but they are mostly computational linguistics companies
Jan 07 13:45:40 <Serdar> and I am much advanced doing some stuff for master.
Jan 07 13:45:41 <mvzaanen> minor?
Jan 07 13:45:49 <Serdar> but nothing to my second subject.
Jan 07 13:46:18 <mvzaanen> want to study some courses at my university?
Jan 07 13:46:19 <Serdar> what are computational linguistics companies?
Jan 07 13:46:22 <mvzaanen> :D
Jan 07 13:46:52 <Serdar> which language?
Jan 07 13:47:06 <mvzaanen> it's an english program
Jan 07 13:47:07 <Serdar> I ony know german, english and japanese.
Jan 07 13:47:12 <Serdar> okay.
Jan 07 13:47:21 <mvzaanen> http://www.tilburguniversity.nl/masters/programmes/fgw/hait/
Jan 07 13:48:28 <Serdar> I will begin to write my bachlor thesis after I choose my second subject and finish it.
Jan 07 13:48:47 <mvzaanen> perhaps you're even interested in our master :)
Jan 07 13:48:52 <mvzaanen> we have a bachelor and minor as well, btw
Jan 07 13:49:03 <Serdar> what are minor?
Jan 07 13:49:34 <mvzaanen> a minor is a collection of a few courses
Jan 07 13:49:38 <mvzaanen> that'll give an idea of the area
Jan 07 13:49:44 <mvzaanen> like a second subject, I guess
Jan 07 13:49:54 <Serdar> before I am thinking of studying further I need a job. without I can't live/pay.
Jan 07 13:50:17 <Serdar> I guess I will choose math.
Jan 07 13:50:46 <Serdar> it's hard but doesn't matter, I went through 5 math classes so few more wouldn't kill me.
Jan 07 13:51:43 <mvzaanen> you know that HAIT is way more interesting :D
Jan 07 13:52:06 <Serdar> HAIT?
Jan 07 13:52:15 <mvzaanen> the master I'm coordinating (see url)
Jan 07 13:52:57 <Serdar> you were an arts student?
Jan 07 13:53:06 <Serdar> many woman there right?
Jan 07 13:53:26 <mvzaanen> many women, yes
Jan 07 13:53:41 <mvzaanen> I'm a computer scientist, have a MSc in computer science, MA in computational lingusitics and PhD in computer science
Jan 07 13:53:43 <Serdar> err yeah a/e
Jan 07 13:54:28 <Serdar> oO when you must change your title to master of sience not arts!?
Jan 07 13:55:09 <mvzaanen> why?
Jan 07 13:55:24 <mvzaanen> this programme is part of the school of humanities
Jan 07 13:55:26 <mvzaanen> hence the MA
Jan 07 13:56:04 <Serdar> hmm I see, that's not YOUR title in particular, but the title people gets?!
Jan 07 13:56:34 <mvzaanen> yeah
Jan 07 13:57:09 <Serdar> comprende
Jan 07 13:58:52 <mvzaanen> take a look at it... you may find it interesting
Jan 07 13:59:27 <mvzaanen> now it's time for coffee
Jan 07 14:00:24 <Serdar> hmm
Jan 07 14:00:43 <Serdar> I guess the reason why I haven't finished already is, because I don't drink coffee..
Jan 07 14:19:18 <mvzaanen> that's probably it
Jan 07 14:28:22 <Serdar> I am totally sleepy now :/
Jan 07 18:55:58 <jonkristian> Serdar: how are the dailies now adays?
Jan 07 19:03:49 <Serdar> jonkristian, to be sure, I haven't tested yet.
Jan 07 19:03:56 <Serdar> hi anyway.
Jan 07 19:04:06 <Serdar> s/sure/honest.
Jan 07 19:04:22 <jonkristian> alright
Jan 07 19:04:57 <jonkristian> well it just crashed
Jan 07 19:05:01 <jonkristian> so there you have it
Jan 07 19:05:02 <jonkristian> :D
Jan 07 19:05:04 <Serdar> which?
Jan 07 19:05:10 <Serdar> eclair?
Jan 07 19:05:17 <jonkristian> no
Jan 07 19:05:27 <jonkristian> do you have eclair dailies?
Jan 07 19:08:09 <jonkristian> http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-daily-20100107.tar.bz2
Jan 07 19:08:12 <jonkristian> that one
Jan 07 19:11:14 <Serdar> what happend?
Jan 07 19:12:16 <jonkristian> I blanked, and the aux light started blinking fast
Jan 07 19:12:23 <jonkristian> s/I/It/
Jan 07 19:15:03 <Serdar> blanked?
Jan 07 19:15:12 <Serdar> can you reproduce this crash?
Jan 07 19:15:22 <jonkristian> I am going to prague on wednesday and i wanted to at least get wifi/browser/e-mail and the mapdroyd running
Jan 07 19:15:52 <jonkristian> i think when it went to sleep, it  messed up, i've tried to reproduce, but i think it's alright now
Jan 07 19:16:09 <Serdar> hm
Jan 07 19:16:33 <jonkristian> what build is currently the most working one?
Jan 07 19:17:28 <Serdar> I am still waiting for the alsa patch from panicking
Jan 07 19:17:37 <Serdar> and the wifi patch for eclair from jancona
Jan 07 19:18:23 <jonkristian> sorry, i meant *best working one*
Jan 07 19:19:33 <Aitch_> Good question jonkristian, we are very good a updating & not so good at testing & verifying
Jan 07 19:21:11 <Aitch_> but hey that's part of the fun :)
Jan 07 19:21:43 <jonkristian> :)
Jan 07 19:22:25 <Aitch_> I need gprs for the weekend & that's currently broken
Jan 07 19:22:29 <jonkristian> gmail with the mail app stopped working a while back, i get 'not trusted server certificate' , any ideas?
Jan 07 19:23:02 <jonkristian> btw, i recommend mapdroyd, the short time i tested it while it was working, it was awesome
Jan 07 19:24:16 <Aitch_> gmail should work in the browser, but the mail app needs Google API support - I think
Jan 07 19:24:31 <jonkristian> well it was working perfectly before
Jan 07 19:24:34 <Aitch_> do you have a link to mapdroyd?
Jan 07 19:25:05 <Serdar> what's mapdroid?
Jan 07 19:25:13 <Serdar> mapdroyd
Jan 07 19:25:14 <jonkristian> You need both, http://andappstore.com/AndroidApplications/apps/!search;jsessionid=69A2C7D0F5A6B640B817248D3B20F93D?s=mapdroyd
Jan 07 19:25:23 <jonkristian> contentdroyd is for downloading maps
Jan 07 19:25:56 <Serdar> it is better than and2nav?
Jan 07 19:26:05 <Serdar> andnav2
Jan 07 19:26:13 <jonkristian> i don't know
Jan 07 19:26:21 <Serdar> andnav2 is open source now
Jan 07 19:26:26 <jonkristian> does andnav2/and2nav whatever use openstreetmaps?
Jan 07 19:26:38 <Serdar> yes it does
Jan 07 19:26:45 <Serdar> and google maps too I guess.
Jan 07 19:27:33 <Serdar> http://code.google.com/p/andnav/
Jan 07 19:27:42 <jonkristian> thats nifty
Jan 07 19:27:47 <jonkristian> i should test that as well
Jan 07 19:28:14 <jonkristian> can it automatically download maps?
Jan 07 19:28:17 <Serdar> we need people compileing that.
Jan 07 19:28:23 <Serdar> I guess so.
Jan 07 19:28:36 <jonkristian> wah, no builds?
Jan 07 19:28:55 <Serdar> we need builds for armv4
Jan 07 19:29:22 <jonkristian> ok, well mapdroyd does what i need for now, my main concern is getting a stable phone while im traveling
Jan 07 19:29:23 <Serdar> and no, there are no builds
Jan 07 19:29:59 <Serdar> I need a working phone now.
Jan 07 19:30:09 <Serdar> I am at redcross and need to get calls or sms.
Jan 07 19:34:14 <jonkristian> oh and i was also wondering if there's a good way to kill apps?
Jan 07 19:35:57 <Aitch_> Best way is under Applications & Uninstall
Jan 07 19:36:24 <jonkristian> ok
Jan 07 19:37:05 <Aitch_> jonkristian, can you send a mail to the list about mapdroyd?
Jan 07 19:37:30 <Aitch_> Then we can add to the Application page of the wiki
Jan 07 19:37:45 <jonkristian> yes
Jan 07 19:38:52 <Aitch_> back to your gmail issue, do you know the last build that worked?
Jan 07 19:40:15 <jonkristian> uhm, im afraid i don't remember
Jan 07 19:40:22 <jonkristian> let me try my apk
Jan 07 19:40:31 <jonkristian> i have one laying around
Jan 07 19:40:39 <jonkristian> you got the same gmail problem?
Jan 07 19:41:33 <Aitch_> It worked before in the browser, I never tried the app
Jan 07 19:41:46 <jonkristian> i don't understand the 'Using Dropbear SSH' tutorial, do i run dropbear -v -p 22 on the phone? because that didn't work
Jan 07 19:41:51 <jonkristian> oh
Jan 07 19:42:49 <Aitch_> I also want to find the best build.  gprs is my must have.
Jan 07 19:43:16 <Aitch_> Haven't used Dropbear so can't help there
Jan 07 19:44:05 <jonkristian> Aitch_: http://androidforums.com/android-applications/950-imap-self-signed-ssl-certificates.html
Jan 07 19:44:08 <jonkristian> try that, i will do so too
Jan 07 19:46:02 <Aitch_> will do, need to load another build first
Jan 07 19:46:21 <jonkristian> im using the latest daily, it appears to be stable for now
Jan 07 19:46:54 <jonkristian> the email app does it wrong, https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=114408
Jan 07 19:47:06 <Serdar> do you guys have any experience with mac os x?
Jan 07 19:47:14 <jonkristian> sorry
Jan 07 19:47:45 <Aitch_> jonkristian, is gprs working for you?
Jan 07 19:48:18 <jonkristian> haven't tried
Jan 07 19:48:33 <Aitch_> Can you try?
Jan 07 19:49:31 <jonkristian> i don't know, because i don't have any cash left on the sim, can i test without?
Jan 07 19:50:35 <Aitch_> It would help :)
Jan 07 19:51:22 <Serdar> I wanted to start help programming and cross compileing, but I can't :/
Jan 07 19:51:31 <Serdar> Mac OS X is much harder than Linux.
Jan 07 19:51:58 <jonkristian> Guys! I got email working
Jan 07 19:52:15 <Serdar> 1o!
Jan 07 19:52:23 <Serdar> \o/
Jan 07 19:52:34 <jonkristian> You need to do it manually, and use imap.gmail.com/smtp.gmail.com and ssl (if available) for both, and also you need to append @gmail.com to your username
Jan 07 19:54:12 <Aitch_> Maybe you could write a little how-to to the mail list on that?
Jan 07 19:54:19 <jonkristian> yes
Jan 07 19:54:28 <Aitch_> I can add it to the wiki
Jan 07 19:55:11 <Aitch_> I'm going to try the latest Daily as well
Jan 07 19:56:43 <jonkristian> ugh
Jan 07 19:56:50 <jonkristian> what's the ML adress?
Jan 07 19:57:00 <jonkristian> nevermind, found it
Jan 07 20:06:43 <Aitch_> & gprs is working agin for me :))))
Jan 07 20:06:57 <jonkristian> there, sent
Jan 07 20:07:03 <jonkristian> cool
Jan 07 20:08:34 <jonkristian> Oh how i wish there was a way to kill apps via the buttons somehow
Jan 07 20:09:04 <Serdar> aaah I can make a call...
Jan 07 20:09:42 <Serdar> btw. I never tried GPRS is it much expensive?
Jan 07 20:11:20 <jonkristian> depends
Jan 07 20:11:40 <jonkristian> but you pay only for what you download
Jan 07 20:12:09 <Serdar> so if I only look at pages there will not be much to pay.
Jan 07 20:12:45 <jonkristian> don't know, the service provider sets these rates
Jan 07 20:13:19 <jonkristian> or carrier or whatever it's called:D
Jan 07 20:14:13 <Aitch_> if you are online updating mail, location, twitters, etc it costs a lot.
Jan 07 20:14:25 <Serdar> hmm
Jan 07 20:14:38 <jonkristian> yeah, you pay pr kb
Jan 07 20:14:40 <Serdar> I think I will never use GPRS :>
Jan 07 20:14:44 <Aitch_> if you just browse now & then it's not
Jan 07 20:19:43 <Serdar> hmm wlan does not really work for me.
Jan 07 20:20:53 <Serdar> ah now
Jan 07 20:21:17 <Aitch_> I've never had it working either
Jan 07 20:23:09 <Serdar> it works.-
Jan 07 20:23:16 <Serdar> not that fast, but it works.#
Jan 07 20:25:13 <jonkristian> Serdar: do you remember how i managed to remove camera and camcorder?
Jan 07 20:25:17 <Serdar> I think cupcake is that fast anough.
Jan 07 20:25:34 <Serdar> jonkristian, no idea.
Jan 07 20:25:47 <Serdar> jonkristian, I removed it from source and build it.
Jan 07 20:26:02 <Serdar> but the problem was ,that the gallery needs camera/camcorder
Jan 07 20:26:11 <jonkristian> it's not gone in youre dailies though
Jan 07 20:26:14 <jonkristian> oh
Jan 07 20:26:29 <Serdar> yes it's not gone, because the gallery needs it.
Jan 07 20:26:38 <Serdar> or you find another solution.
Jan 07 20:26:43 <jonkristian> ok
Jan 07 20:26:47 <Serdar> not this build in gallery
Jan 07 20:26:55 <Serdar> but an external open source.
Jan 07 20:27:11 <Serdar> and then jancona can add it as external project
Jan 07 21:12:14 <Aitch_> OK jonkristian that's MapDroyd added to the Applications page. Thanks for the tip
Jan 07 21:12:32 <Aitch_> I'll try it out in London this weekend :)
Jan 07 21:15:02 <jonkristian> :)
Jan 08 02:15:37 <Serdar1> hi jancona
Jan 08 02:29:53 <jancona> Hi Serdar. You're up late!
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