**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 10 02:59:56 2010
Jan 10 03:13:09 <jonkrist1an> Ugh
Jan 10 03:13:25 <jonkrist1an> freenode died on me
Jan 10 03:16:39 <jonkrist1an> Serdar: thought you said audio didn't work
Jan 10 03:17:04 <Serdar> yes/no
Jan 10 03:17:20 <Serdar> I guess you can make calls.
Jan 10 03:17:46 <jonkrist1an> i can receive, didn't get to test outgoing, since i don't have any cash on the card atm
Jan 10 03:18:00 <jonkrist1an> also bluetooth appears to work
Jan 10 03:19:05 <Serdar> you have a bluetooth headset?
Jan 10 03:19:38 <Serdar> btw. which one are you trying eclair or master?
Jan 10 03:19:42 <jonkrist1an> yes, but not where i'm at im afraid
Jan 10 03:19:45 <jonkrist1an> ecalir
Jan 10 03:19:48 <jonkrist1an> eclair
Jan 10 03:19:56 <Serdar> hm
Jan 10 03:20:18 <Serdar> sensors are much faster than before
Jan 10 03:20:33 <Serdar> but not the graphic envoirement.
Jan 10 03:20:39 <Serdar> it seems much slower.
Jan 10 03:20:44 <Serdar> than eclair
Jan 10 03:20:49 <Serdar> err
Jan 10 03:20:51 <Serdar> cupcake
Jan 10 03:20:55 <jonkrist1an> i agree
Jan 10 03:21:52 <jonkrist1an> and key inputs are just as slow
Jan 10 03:22:21 <Serdar> seems much faster than cupcake to me.
Jan 10 03:22:32 <jonkrist1an> hm
Jan 10 03:22:45 <jonkrist1an> where do you test?
Jan 10 03:23:17 <Serdar> on my freerunner.
Jan 10 03:23:20 <jonkrist1an> dude, you are right!
Jan 10 03:23:34 <jonkrist1an> I was testing the google search, bad idea
Jan 10 03:23:47 <jonkrist1an> tried somewhere else, it feels more responsive:)
Jan 10 03:24:28 <Serdar> see.
Jan 10 03:24:45 <jonkrist1an> yup
Jan 10 03:26:21 <jonkrist1an> so why are there so many things broken? Is eclair using a different kernel?
Jan 10 03:26:50 <Serdar> I think not.
Jan 10 03:27:14 <Serdar> but the api changed several times from cupcake to eclair/master
Jan 10 03:27:25 <jonkrist1an> ah
Jan 10 03:28:26 <jonkrist1an> Whish i could help out more, i don't know much programing, other than php
Jan 10 03:28:32 <Serdar> cupcake was 1.5 with API 3 2.0.1 is eclair with API 6
Jan 10 03:28:38 <jonkrist1an> k
Jan 10 03:29:17 <Serdar> if you want help you can do with php.
Jan 10 03:29:32 <Serdar> but in this case for german red cross :>
Jan 10 03:30:21 <Serdar> oh oh
Jan 10 03:33:36 <jonkrist1an> Hehe
Jan 10 03:37:11 <jonkrist1an> Ugh, i need to go to bed now
Jan 10 03:41:44 <Serdar> night
Jan 10 03:46:15 <juan_arandaalvar> Hello Serdar
Jan 10 03:47:00 <juan_arandaalvar> One question, what is the recommended size for the SD card for eclair?
Jan 10 03:47:06 <jonkrist1an> Night Serdar :)
Jan 10 03:47:24 <Serdar> juan_arandaalvar, hmm what do you have?
Jan 10 03:48:27 <juan_arandaalvar> I have a 2GB and a 512 MB
Jan 10 03:48:42 <juan_arandaalvar> The 2GB is using cupcake
Jan 10 03:48:52 <juan_arandaalvar> And I just want to test eclair
Jan 10 03:49:13 <Serdar> I am useing 1/1 G but you can try 80/R with your 512
Jan 10 03:49:38 <Serdar> but the installer will reflash everything.
Jan 10 03:50:09 <juan_arandaalvar> 80/R with the 512, ok thanks
Jan 10 03:50:27 <juan_arandaalvar> The cool thing is that I have 2 FR :D
Jan 10 03:51:12 <Serdar> I see.
Jan 10 03:51:19 <Serdar> don't have that money :/
Jan 10 03:51:34 <Serdar> this one was too expensive :/
Jan 10 03:54:30 <juan_arandaalvar> I know
Jan 10 03:55:02 <juan_arandaalvar> There were part of a project that went astray
Jan 10 03:55:18 <juan_arandaalvar> The good news is that you guys have android working on them
Jan 10 03:55:41 <juan_arandaalvar> So I'm trying to re-start the proyect using Android
Jan 10 03:55:49 <Serdar> two phones makes lot easier
Jan 10 03:55:59 <Serdar> if you work on two projects like cupcake and eclair.
Jan 10 03:56:14 <juan_arandaalvar> That's the idea
Jan 10 03:56:56 <Serdar> panicking is looking for a second one too.
Jan 10 03:56:58 <juan_arandaalvar> I have a team meeting on Monday to show them the FR working with android
Jan 10 03:57:12 <juan_arandaalvar> We even have a debug board
Jan 10 03:57:29 <juan_arandaalvar> So I'm going through my old notes on the FR
Jan 10 03:57:30 <Serdar> I don't but I will it costs 25 EUR
Jan 10 03:58:01 <Serdar> it was 60 earlier
Jan 10 03:58:32 <juan_arandaalvar> Try to get a lot of the cables that connect the phone to the board
Jan 10 03:58:42 <juan_arandaalvar> The box comes with only one
Jan 10 03:59:01 <juan_arandaalvar> If you could get them to send you a bunch of them it will save you lots of idle time
Jan 10 04:00:45 <Serdar> I have 2 of these cable here, because of the Sony PSP.
Jan 10 04:01:42 <Serdar> aah 5 am...
Jan 10 04:02:33 <Serdar> I need a new hobby...
Jan 10 04:02:56 <Serdar> ans sleep.
Jan 10 04:03:11 <Serdar> preparing for FOSDEM...
Jan 10 04:04:56 <juan_arandaalvar> Where are you?
Jan 10 04:18:51 <Serdar> right on my bed.
Jan 10 04:20:48 <Serdar> My answers are everytime precise, absolutely correct and not helpful.
Jan 10 04:22:31 <juan_arandaalvar> ok
Jan 10 04:24:55 <juan_arandaalvar> Eclair is running :D
Jan 10 04:25:01 <Serdar> yes.
Jan 10 04:25:24 <Serdar> at which point of booting you are?
Jan 10 04:25:27 <juan_arandaalvar> Oh I'm so happy
Jan 10 04:25:32 <Serdar> you are?
Jan 10 04:25:39 <juan_arandaalvar> Yes I am
Jan 10 04:25:49 <Serdar> hm
Jan 10 04:26:44 <Serdar> did eclair boot completly?
Jan 10 04:27:22 <Serdar> tell me after you started eclair if you still happy.
Jan 10 04:27:35 <juan_arandaalvar> I did boot completly
Jan 10 04:28:19 <juan_arandaalvar> I'm going to look for my other SIM card
Jan 10 04:29:06 <Serdar> and you are stil happy?
Jan 10 04:29:49 <Serdar> hey jancona
Jan 10 04:30:18 <juan_arandaalvar> Yes I am
Jan 10 04:30:24 <juan_arandaalvar> This rocks
Jan 10 04:30:34 <juan_arandaalvar> Now, step two
Jan 10 04:30:44 <juan_arandaalvar> Downloading the code and compiling it :D
Jan 10 04:31:06 <Serdar> which code?
Jan 10 04:31:18 <Serdar> you can compile andnav2 for cupcake and eclair :)
Jan 10 04:31:26 <Serdar> also scummvm.
Jan 10 04:31:35 <juan_arandaalvar> The android code
Jan 10 04:32:06 <juan_arandaalvar> I want to work on the glamo code
Jan 10 04:32:12 <Serdar> okay.
Jan 10 04:32:46 <Serdar> please use -b master instead cupcake or eclair.
Jan 10 04:33:01 <juan_arandaalvar> got it
Jan 10 04:33:15 <Serdar> jancona, I am barely awake so come have a chat.
Jan 10 04:35:12 <Serdar> juan_arandaalvar, btw. if you know much about android programming, than you can teach me :)
Jan 10 04:35:33 <juan_arandaalvar> You mean application programming?
Jan 10 04:39:40 <Serdar> I mean android core programming.
Jan 10 04:40:26 <juan_arandaalvar> That's my plan
Jan 10 04:41:04 <juan_arandaalvar> And yes, I'm willing to share anything I learn
Jan 10 04:47:55 <Serdar> that's fine.
Jan 10 04:48:50 <Serdar> http://www.vogella.de/articles/Android/article.html I was following this guide it's written for 1.6+ but haden't time to finish it.
Jan 10 04:50:46 <juan_arandaalvar> It looks good
Jan 10 04:53:48 <jancona> Hi Serdar
Jan 10 04:54:00 <jancona> Are you up early or late??
Jan 10 04:54:10 <Serdar> no idea.
Jan 10 04:54:29 <Serdar> I should sleep but it's early this year to sleep.
Jan 10 04:54:41 <Serdar> few things.
Jan 10 04:54:49 <emacsian> anybody experienced WSOD on the android ?
Jan 10 04:55:00 <Serdar> you see that back works again.
Jan 10 04:55:16 <Serdar> emacsian, what is wsod?
Jan 10 04:55:32 <Serdar> jancona, seconed this issue #100 is really bad.
Jan 10 04:55:39 <emacsian> Serdar: White Screen of Death
Jan 10 04:55:50 <Serdar> I have seen it in Calculator first.
Jan 10 04:56:11 <Serdar> jancona, the problem is, that each number is multiplied with 2^32
Jan 10 04:56:21 <Serdar> emacsian, after installation?
Jan 10 04:56:41 <emacsian> no Serdar, I've been using it for a few weeks
Jan 10 04:57:04 <Serdar> jancona, so maybe or maybe not, all numbers in eclair/master are broken.
Jan 10 04:57:14 <Serdar> emacsian, you are useing wsod?
Jan 10 04:57:30 <emacsian> only today I experienced it the first time.
Jan 10 04:57:45 <Serdar> was it after a reflash?
Jan 10 04:58:19 <emacsian> Serdar: no the screen becomes white and it becomes unusable, a restart usually helps
Jan 10 04:58:33 <Serdar> hm
Jan 10 04:58:52 <jancona> I see. This doesn't happen with cupcake?
Jan 10 04:58:59 <Serdar> nope.
Jan 10 04:59:12 <Serdar> you have a cupcake version right?
Jan 10 04:59:32 <emacsian> yep week 51 build
Jan 10 04:59:41 <Serdar> emacsian, sorry can't help too tired to help
Jan 10 04:59:46 <Serdar> sorry I meant jancona
Jan 10 04:59:56 <Serdar> jancona, cupcake?
Jan 10 04:59:59 <Serdar> you
Jan 10 05:00:21 <jancona> I don't have it installed
Jan 10 05:00:25 <Serdar> start calculator and put 1+0
Jan 10 05:00:33 <Serdar> what do you have installed?
Jan 10 05:00:45 <jancona> I just tried it on Master and saw what you mean
Jan 10 05:00:55 <Serdar> okay
Jan 10 05:00:58 <jancona> I have to go to bed now.
Jan 10 05:01:08 <Serdar> it's X*2^32 fpr each number
Jan 10 05:01:10 <jancona> I'll look at it in the morning
Jan 10 05:01:20 <Serdar> it is allready morning :/
Jan 10 05:01:40 <jancona> It just became morning here 1 minute ago
Jan 10 05:01:59 <Serdar> 6:01 am.
Jan 10 05:02:10 <Serdar> I am soo tired.
Jan 10 05:02:14 <Serdar> soooo tired.
Jan 10 05:02:17 <jancona> Bye!
Jan 10 05:02:22 <Serdar> adios.
Jan 10 05:03:22 <Serdar> can't read anymore.
Jan 10 11:46:54 <sanvy> hi all
Jan 10 11:46:56 <sanvy> hi Serdar
Jan 10 11:46:58 <sanvy> hi panicking !!!
Jan 10 11:47:04 <sanvy> quanto tempo ^^
Jan 10 11:47:39 <panicking> I have patched master yesterday
Jan 10 11:47:44 <panicking> for supporting AUX button
Jan 10 11:56:42 <Serdar> hi
Jan 10 12:01:07 <sanvy> sorry, is the eclair's source on the git?
Jan 10 12:02:58 <Serdar> yes.
Jan 10 12:03:51 <sanvy> ok thanks :P but... Serdar, did you try it? how does it work?
Jan 10 12:04:07 <Serdar> serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily
Jan 10 12:05:18 <sanvy> thenks Serdar
Jan 10 12:05:21 <sanvy> thanks*
Jan 10 13:59:00 <Serdar> hi jancona
Jan 10 17:36:46 <sanvy> hi all
Jan 10 17:37:02 <Serdar> hi
Jan 10 17:37:06 <sanvy> hi Serdar :D
Jan 10 19:25:19 <sanvy> Serdar, sorry, why, compiling, do I get this line in the shell? Docs droiddoc: out/target/common/docs/offline-sdk
Jan 10 19:25:54 <sanvy> I think that sdk doc isn't helpful in android on freerunner... can I remove it without any problem?
Jan 10 19:26:24 <sanvy> (it's a question, not a reclame ;) )
Jan 10 19:26:51 <sanvy> (because my compiling machine is very low and spent a lot of time on this step...)
Jan 10 19:28:00 <Serdar1> why are you compileing anyway?
Jan 10 19:29:43 <Serdar1> I don't think you can randomly remove things
Jan 10 19:30:11 <sanvy> in fact... :( i'll check the makefile
Jan 10 19:30:50 <sanvy> hw, i'm compiling because I have just finished my last theme mod
Jan 10 19:33:14 <Serdar1> compileing got me freaked out.
Jan 10 19:36:16 <sanvy> asd
Jan 10 19:36:54 <sanvy> tomorrow, if all packages work fine, i'll upload them... but there are only graphic mods
Jan 10 19:42:11 <Serdar1> hm?
Jan 10 19:43:53 <sanvy> hm??
Jan 10 19:45:37 <sanvy> i have to go
Jan 10 19:45:39 <sanvy> bye all!
Jan 10 20:08:54 <Serdar1> jancona, do I need emulator?
Jan 10 23:15:38 <Serdar1> jancona
Jan 10 23:33:20 <jancona> Hi Serdar
Jan 11 01:04:55 <Serdar2> hi jancona
Jan 11 01:10:33 <jancona> Hi Serdar
Jan 11 01:14:20 <Serdar> how can I test gprs or may you add some apns?
Jan 11 01:14:58 <Serdar> or change your last add because it seems that it seems this simyo stuff is the same for the whole eplus network.
Jan 11 01:15:27 <Serdar> for example ALDI Talk / Medion mobile.
Jan 11 01:20:19 <Serdar> hi juan_arandaalvar
Jan 11 01:20:31 <juan_arandaalvar> Hello
Jan 11 01:48:53 <jancona> Serdar: Can you update issue 68 with what I should change with the APNs?
Jan 11 02:07:47 <Serdar> jancona, do I need emulator?
Jan 11 02:08:14 <Serdar> host Executable: emulator (out/host/darwin-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/emulator_intermediates/emulator)
Jan 11 02:08:14 <Serdar> Undefined symbols:
Jan 11 02:08:14 <Serdar>   "__dyld_func_lookup", referenced from:
Jan 11 02:08:14 <Serdar>       _promoteLocalToGlobal in libSDL.a(SDL_dlcompat.o)
Jan 11 02:08:14 <Serdar>       _dlcompat_init_func in libSDL.a(SDL_dlcompat.o)
Jan 11 02:08:15 <Serdar>       _dlcompat_init_func in libSDL.a(SDL_dlcompat.o)
Jan 11 02:08:17 <Serdar>       _dlcompat_init_func in libSDL.a(SDL_dlcompat.o)
Jan 11 02:08:21 <Serdar> ld: symbol(s) not found
Jan 11 02:08:23 <Serdar> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
Jan 11 02:08:25 <Serdar> make: *** [out/host/darwin-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/emulator_intermediates/emulator] Fehler 1
Jan 11 02:16:26 <jancona> You don't need the emulator
Jan 11 02:16:32 <jancona> What were you building?
Jan 11 02:28:15 <Serdar> master
Jan 11 02:28:23 <Serdar> on mac
Jan 11 02:30:31 <Serdar> do you know in which file I can remove emulator?
Jan 11 02:36:38 <ColdFyre> yes
Jan 11 02:37:41 <Serdar> ah my drinking pal, how are you ColdFyre?
Jan 11 02:38:20 <ColdFyre> i am obsessed with my nokia n900
Jan 11 02:38:54 <Serdar> not Nexus One?
Jan 11 02:38:58 <ColdFyre> my FR has become to the toy i can now reflah and not care if it bricks
Jan 11 02:39:14 <ColdFyre> nexus one? not sure what that is
Jan 11 02:39:26 <Serdar> First phone from Google
Jan 11 02:39:39 <Serdar> "The iPhone Killer"
Jan 11 02:39:44 <ColdFyre> ah, no
Jan 11 02:40:01 <ColdFyre> this nokia is like a netbook/cellphone
Jan 11 02:40:11 <Serdar> how much?
Jan 11 02:40:23 <ColdFyre> $550 usd
Jan 11 02:40:32 <Serdar> urgs.
Jan 11 02:40:41 <ColdFyre> well worth it
Jan 11 02:41:10 <Serdar> if you don't have than money it doen't matter if it worth or not.
Jan 11 02:41:22 <ColdFyre> true
Jan 11 02:41:37 <Serdar> http://www.tilburguniversity.nl/masters/programmes/fgw/hait/
Jan 11 02:41:42 <Serdar> do you know this guy?
Jan 11 02:42:16 <ColdFyre> nope..
Jan 11 02:42:36 <Serdar> hmm
Jan 11 02:42:48 <ColdFyre> what makes you think i woould :p
Jan 11 02:42:52 <Serdar> look closely at his name
Jan 11 02:43:39 <ColdFyre> i did..
Jan 11 02:44:13 <Serdar> do you know someone who call's himselv mvzaanen?
Jan 11 02:44:28 <ColdFyre> OH
Jan 11 02:44:38 <ColdFyre> heh, now i realize
Jan 11 02:45:26 <Serdar> this is hell, where is this stupid emulator...
Jan 11 02:45:53 <Serdar> jancona, say something :/
Jan 11 02:46:52 <Serdar> I looked at host_executeables.mk but there isn't
Jan 11 02:47:05 <Serdar> -s
Jan 11 02:59:10 <jancona> It looks like it's built in external/qemu/Makefile.android
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