**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 08 02:59:57 2010 Feb 08 05:29:16 so just a shot in the dark Feb 08 05:29:17 boo? Feb 08 06:57:51 Hi, anyone here? Can someone help with adb setup? I installed latest android, now i want to tweak microphone level, so i want to access to shell via adb, but the FR is not shown in ./adb devices. Feb 08 06:58:47 i can ping device without problems Feb 08 06:59:15 may be i need to change some settings on device? Feb 08 07:30:15 gena2x: try enable USB debug in setting>applications>development Feb 08 08:25:38 naquan: oh yes, thanks Feb 08 08:25:56 naquan: i thought that this is not applicable to FR :) Feb 08 09:43:11 Morning Feb 08 09:43:16 How was fosdem? Feb 08 09:43:17 morning Feb 08 09:43:30 stressful Feb 08 09:43:40 I was not able to see anything. Feb 08 09:44:43 not from the talks not from brussels Feb 08 09:47:00 but we got filled up each talk Feb 08 09:48:40 morning Feb 08 09:57:12 one more question: how to edit files on rootfs? Feb 08 09:57:40 it mean it is mounted ro Feb 08 09:57:52 how to make my changes survive reboot? Feb 08 09:58:34 i can -o remount,rw but reboot wipes my busybox. Feb 08 09:58:47 excellent, Serdar Feb 08 09:59:39 or i missed some faq :)? Feb 08 09:59:50 gena2x, good question, I never tried this kind of stuff, but I know that it is possible, some people did it. Feb 08 10:01:10 first thing i want is to change ip address, it's in /init.rc file Feb 08 10:01:52 any easy way to change it? Feb 08 10:02:28 i mean ip address of usb connection Feb 08 10:02:36 change ip adress in init.rc? Feb 08 10:02:43 what you want do? Feb 08 10:03:13 I want to change ip of android on fr from 192.168.0.202 to something appropriate for my networ Feb 08 10:03:46 btw. if you use wifi you can use any ip you want Feb 08 10:04:19 adb works over wivi Feb 08 10:04:20 wifi Feb 08 10:04:49 btw, what's the current most usable version, is that the fosdem cupcake or is eclair more usable now? Feb 08 10:04:52 and maybe also over bluetooth, but nobody tried it. Feb 08 10:05:33 hm, wifi... how i have to stop all local networking (including this chat and whole internet) to connect fr. Feb 08 10:05:40 s/how/now/ Feb 08 10:06:09 mvzaanen, the RC1 we told on fosdem, that we will concentrate on master and it's unstable Feb 08 10:06:13 why is that gena2x? Feb 08 10:06:25 gena2x, stop? Feb 08 10:06:38 connect to wifi with your freerunner Feb 08 10:06:43 look at it'S ip Feb 08 10:06:51 mostly says 192.168.x.x Feb 08 10:06:55 gena@work:/sbin$ /sbin/ifconfig Feb 08 10:07:01 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:48:7e:b7:40 Feb 08 10:07:01 inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Feb 08 10:07:02 ... Feb 08 10:07:08 usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1f:11:01:52:b7 Feb 08 10:07:08 inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Feb 08 10:07:13 ... Feb 08 10:07:17 use ADBHOST="192.168.x.x" adb kill-server Feb 08 10:07:34 ^^^ this my settings for other distributions Feb 08 10:07:41 I don't understand, serdar... the fosdem is most stable now? Feb 08 10:07:52 yes the cupcake RC1 Feb 08 10:08:01 ok Feb 08 10:08:02 thanks Feb 08 10:08:11 but it need some other works like sensors. Feb 08 10:08:13 I need to update mine... I think I may have a problem with my battery Feb 08 10:08:30 so, to connect with adb, now i am doing 'ifdown eth1; ifdown usb0; ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.1 up' Feb 08 10:08:47 and adb works fine Feb 08 10:09:11 but i am losing whole other network on host Feb 08 10:09:35 so I want to change that ip :) Feb 08 10:12:00 in /init.rc (on android) is see line: "service usb-ether /system/bin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202" Feb 08 10:12:17 i want to change this to '192.168.1.4' Feb 08 10:12:30 but i've stuck - how to adit that file Feb 08 10:12:35 s/adit/edit/ Feb 08 10:12:52 it's on read-only fs :) Feb 08 10:15:20 mvzaanen, the 1024 is also for battery life. Feb 08 10:15:37 1024? Feb 08 10:16:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024 Feb 08 10:16:38 Currently Android on Freerunner is hard coded to use AT%SLEEP=2 to avoid deep sleep mode entirely; there is a discussion about providing editable property in Androids init.rc startup file. Feb 08 10:16:41 deep sleep Feb 08 10:16:43 ah Feb 08 10:17:07 I really need an fso distro first then :D Feb 08 10:17:27 gena2x, but why don't you use wifi? Feb 08 10:17:41 it will get your local ip Feb 08 10:17:54 I want to change other files also Feb 08 10:18:26 like files in /etc Feb 08 10:18:33 i want to add busybox tools also Feb 08 10:18:45 hm Feb 08 10:18:47 all this is on read-only fs Feb 08 10:19:02 yeah it's possible, but I never tried it. Feb 08 10:19:10 ok, how :) Feb 08 10:19:34 the only thing I know is how to solve this on your own image. Feb 08 10:19:46 if you have a powerful pc you can get the sourcecode Feb 08 10:19:56 change stuff and compile it. Feb 08 10:20:03 urggghhhhhh Feb 08 10:20:33 for your remount stuff you need to ask someone who isn't up now. Feb 08 10:20:46 this is exatly thing i hoped to evade :) Feb 08 10:21:14 ok, i'll try to understand this by myself Feb 08 10:21:20 thanks for reply anyway :) Feb 08 10:21:50 you can evade it, sure, but I am the wrong person to ask this kind of stuff. Wait for jancona he lives in the usa and isn't online allready for time reason, I guess he's sleeping. Feb 08 10:25:21 ok, thanks. I just hoped that this is something widely used, for sure I'll understand this before usa's awake :) Feb 08 10:36:15 no, I am useing wifi instead of usb Feb 08 10:36:30 the reason is, that I have a mac os x Feb 08 10:43:22 for gena2x: Read and try please http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component Feb 08 10:43:58 My irc is very bad, I only able to look at, and difficult to write Feb 08 10:44:05 Bye Feb 08 10:44:10 huh? Feb 08 10:44:18 what are you useing? Feb 08 10:46:42 mvzaanen, I saw Tanenbaum :) Feb 08 10:46:48 you did? Feb 08 10:46:50 cool Feb 08 10:46:55 I followed his lectures years ago Feb 08 10:47:19 yeah he is in amsterdam, so easy for you :) Feb 08 10:47:49 that reminds me that I got lost in nederland on saturday :/ Feb 08 10:48:38 heh, you did? Feb 08 10:48:43 yeah Feb 08 10:48:43 I used to study in Amsterdam... Feb 08 10:48:50 ah. Feb 08 11:02:48 crap installing shr is a lot of work Feb 08 11:02:54 too much to do next to my real work Feb 08 11:09:23 what are you useing?: I am working over proxy with http://webchat.freenode.net/. The proxy has some link to internet and each time proxy select new link I lose a connection Feb 08 11:09:47 xchat Feb 08 11:10:24 mvzaanen, you are useing our installer right? Feb 08 11:10:30 yes Feb 08 11:10:35 okay Feb 08 11:10:35 but I can't use that for shr, can I? Feb 08 11:10:37 neotool Feb 08 11:10:59 I was thinking of useing our isntaller for other distribution too. Feb 08 11:11:12 but we need some talk with the other guys. Feb 08 11:11:15 ah Feb 08 11:11:21 neotool doesn't seem so hard Feb 08 11:11:58 ran000 I am useing xchat, but if you prefer something without ui you can use irssi, xchat... Feb 08 11:12:11 I'm using pidgin Feb 08 11:12:11 why do you want install shr? :O Feb 08 11:14:23 checking the gsm firmware and the 1024 problem Feb 08 11:14:37 can I do that with android as well? Feb 08 11:14:48 yeah, we need something to do this stuff Feb 08 11:15:05 atm I have no solution. Feb 08 11:15:18 exactly Feb 08 11:17:00 mvzaanen, it's simple, what revision do you have? Feb 08 11:17:10 revision? Feb 08 11:17:19 xchat - ports is closed by my firewall Feb 08 11:17:39 try www.mibbit.com, ran000 Feb 08 11:17:40 mvzaanen, A5,6,/ Feb 08 11:17:52 I don't know what you mean, Serdar Feb 08 11:18:08 Openmoko Neo Freerunner A5? Feb 08 11:18:13 Openmoko Neo Freerunner A6 (mine) Feb 08 11:18:20 A7 (new) Feb 08 11:18:34 ah, I don't know Feb 08 11:18:37 where do I find that? Feb 08 11:18:45 (I can't open it up at the moment... flashing) Feb 08 11:19:03 try www.mibbit.com, ran000 - mibbit does not work for me and link me to freenode Feb 08 11:19:17 oh Feb 08 11:19:53 you can't use software clients? Feb 08 11:20:03 are you at work or something? Feb 08 11:20:24 maybe you are useing pidgin like mvzaanen, but if the irc port is closed then it's bad. Feb 08 11:20:37 do you have a server? in that case you can use that :) Feb 08 11:23:08 are you at work or something? Yes. Unfortunatly, I have same network problems at home as well Feb 08 11:23:33 huh Feb 08 11:23:47 at home too? Feb 08 11:27:06 crap Feb 08 11:27:10 shr doesn't seem to work Feb 08 11:33:32 [11:43] for gena2x: Read and try please http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component Feb 08 11:37:58 ran000 have you tried this instead of webchat? http://java.freenode.net/ Feb 08 11:46:43 Serdar: thanks! I already figured out almost everything i need except source of init.rc :) source of init.rc pretty clear out of PR you pointed, i don't really understand how ramfs stored, but i hope i'll figure this out quickly :) Feb 08 11:47:13 okay. Feb 08 11:47:28 are you a new guy from fosdem? Feb 08 11:47:48 who? me? Feb 08 11:47:51 yes Feb 08 11:48:04 didn't see you around here before Feb 08 11:48:12 no, i'm old guy who created all that buzz about debug kernel options :) Feb 08 11:48:47 hm never see you around here, did you have another nick? Feb 08 11:49:33 i were for some time on #openmoko, #openmoko-cdevel and #openmoko-debian Feb 08 11:49:51 I see, but new for android right? Feb 08 11:49:55 as most of time i am using debian Feb 08 11:50:06 yes, i installed it for second time Feb 08 11:50:34 I see. That's why I haven't see you arround here :) Feb 08 11:50:39 first time it were very slow, i saw you mail in community about new release Feb 08 11:50:47 and decided to try it Feb 08 11:51:03 btw, thank you much for release Feb 08 11:51:23 gena2x: is debian easy to install? Feb 08 11:51:30 I'm trying to figure out the gsm firmware Feb 08 11:51:32 but shr sucks Feb 08 11:51:33 no problem, can't do much things for the community. Feb 08 11:51:39 mvzaanen, shr is debian?! Feb 08 11:51:53 I thought there was a separate debian distro Feb 08 11:51:59 mvzaanen: no, it is very easy Feb 08 11:52:04 h:1? Feb 08 11:52:21 mvzaanen: and qtmoko, h:1 are both debian based Feb 08 11:52:24 I just installed SHR, but I cannot ssh into it Feb 08 11:52:44 I don't know what the password is Feb 08 11:52:46 mvzaanen: but i am plain debian fan :) Feb 08 11:52:51 gena2x, are you good at hacking, maybe you can try to port our installer for other distributions :) Feb 08 11:53:43 Serdar: i unsure how good I am, but i have long list of plans Feb 08 11:53:54 Serdar: mostly with kernel Feb 08 11:54:03 our is the wrong word, it's from koolu and nobody tried it anymore, we are only useing it, because it works for us. Feb 08 11:54:42 I tried it with shr image but it failed :/ Feb 08 11:54:50 btw, i very surprised how many different android distributions around here :) Feb 08 11:55:35 s/very/were/ Feb 08 11:55:55 yeah android differs much from the other distributions. Feb 08 11:57:49 and it's really cool to have possibility to try so many things. Feb 08 11:58:38 ran000 ... http://java.freenode.net/ No help: Feb 08 11:58:57 the difference is, that there are much more application for android than the others. Feb 08 11:59:04 ran000, I see. Feb 08 11:59:14 I think the firewalled port is using Feb 08 11:59:23 ran000, I will look for a solution Feb 08 11:59:30 which port is open for you? Feb 08 11:59:52 or which ports are open? Feb 08 12:00:02 don't say me it's only 80 Feb 08 12:00:06 Only over http(80) and ftp(20,21) Feb 08 12:00:13 hm Feb 08 12:03:13 grrr this sucks so much Feb 08 12:03:18 I can't ssh into shr Feb 08 12:03:35 I'm giving up for now Feb 08 12:03:59 More exectly - proxy:3128 allow 80 and 21 to access Feb 08 12:06:23 mvzaanen: ssh should work for shr, but it's better ask about it on #openmoko or #openmoko-cdevel which is main nest of SHR guys. Feb 08 12:08:19 mvzaanen: ///// 95% that you just installed wrong kernel, check dates ;) Feb 08 12:12:06 thanks gena2x Feb 08 12:12:09 I'll try again later Feb 08 12:12:42 mvzaanen: np. just be sure that your rootfs matches you kernel Feb 08 12:13:59 ah, okl Feb 08 12:14:38 mvzaanen: oh, i forget relatively last changes :) something with root password, but really better to ask people on #openmoko Feb 08 12:15:08 ok Feb 08 12:15:11 I'll do that Feb 08 12:17:29 Serdar: 3(!) md5-identical kernel images in android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.2.0-RC1.tar.gz :) Feb 08 12:18:10 yeah Feb 08 12:18:19 it's because of the installer Feb 08 12:18:29 nobody tried to understand the installer Feb 08 12:22:51 okay not true Feb 08 12:22:54 I tried Feb 08 12:22:57 I failed Feb 08 12:22:58 :) Feb 08 12:23:22 In fact I have an idea why so many images Feb 08 12:23:36 it's because this installer is a dirt hack and I am not good with these stuff Feb 08 12:24:14 I only am good in pushing things forward and get things working, like our openmoko devroom on fosdem Feb 08 12:24:31 But it's too easy to deviate from my main problem, so i'll continue with my ips :) Feb 08 12:24:44 Oh, I'm good in dirty hacks :) Feb 08 12:26:38 While other people write good quility things for several days, it's hard for me. I just write dirty hack in 5 mins. This is global philosophical problem :) Feb 08 12:27:42 ok, i'm not serious. Feb 08 12:27:58 :) Feb 08 13:10:05 hi Feb 08 13:13:44 http://www.flickr.com/photos/king_pest/4334367867/in/set-72157608380684844/ FOSDEM Dance Feb 08 14:19:37 hi jancona Feb 08 14:22:29 Hi Serdar. How's FOSDEM? Feb 08 14:23:25 was. Feb 08 14:23:30 it was stressful for me :( Feb 08 14:23:36 couldn't see anything Feb 08 14:23:58 waiting for guys, discussing about the room what we get and so on. Feb 08 14:24:29 and I got lost in brussels :/ Feb 08 14:25:09 but our devroom was full Feb 08 14:25:55 the official number of people who can sit is 59, but I don't believe it. Feb 08 14:25:55 any records available? Feb 08 14:25:58 yeah Feb 08 14:26:05 but not from our devroom :( Feb 08 14:26:12 couldn't manage it. Feb 08 14:26:14 :( Feb 08 14:26:34 if I get a video cam sponsored for next FOSDEM I can do it :d Feb 08 14:26:36 :D Feb 08 14:26:52 oh, OM in 2011? Feb 08 14:27:06 OM was on 2010 too Feb 08 14:27:46 I planned and organized the devroom, that's why I couldn't see anything else :/ Feb 08 14:35:40 damn init.rc seem compiled into kernel :(((( Feb 08 14:36:27 what a nice idea. Feb 08 14:41:11 huh Feb 08 15:34:33 hi juan_arandaalvar Feb 08 16:43:50 Can someone help with compilation? I'm not really good with git. I want to compile libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so, which is part of bluez i guess (./external/bluez/utils/audio/pcm_bluetooth.c) Feb 08 16:44:20 i followed instruction on http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/ImproveIt Feb 08 16:45:09 and did $ repo sync Feb 08 16:45:48 now what should i do to compile reuired module? Feb 08 16:47:16 you want compile everything or only the module? Feb 08 16:47:24 i don't want to change, just compile & install manually to target system few individual files Feb 08 16:47:25 it's easier to compileing everything Feb 08 16:47:41 hm Feb 08 16:47:58 ok, how to compile everything? Feb 08 16:48:15 ok, wait, i'll first try instructions. Feb 08 16:48:48 in fact i tried already, but want to check once again. Feb 08 16:48:59 depends on which version Feb 08 16:49:06 master or cupcake? Feb 08 16:49:23 -b master or -b cupcake what are you syncing? Feb 08 16:49:38 i just did repo sync Feb 08 16:49:49 but first a repo init right? Feb 08 16:49:52 oh Feb 08 16:50:00 yes, cupcake Feb 08 16:50:05 okay than Feb 08 16:50:16 how many cores? Feb 08 16:50:20 4 Feb 08 16:50:32 make -j5 TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner Feb 08 16:50:45 ah, _freerunner_ Feb 08 16:50:57 builds a complete cupcake image and kernel image Feb 08 16:51:56 in instruction is 'fr' Feb 08 16:52:02 but I would preferm, when you wants to help with programming and stuff, that you should look for master branch Feb 08 16:52:06 fr for master branch Feb 08 16:52:56 no, really, i just sure it's impossible to do everything :((. so, at this time i am not planning to do serious development Feb 08 16:52:59 where do you read fr? Feb 08 16:53:07 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/BuildIt Feb 08 16:53:30 hmm yeah that's strange Feb 08 16:53:36 it's for the master branch Feb 08 16:53:56 but I guess we should change everything to freerunner, that would be easier for all Feb 08 16:54:07 I just want to try fix bluetooth sound. Feb 08 16:54:31 I'll post if it will be ok. Feb 08 16:54:43 I already got idea why it is not working Feb 08 16:54:48 that reminds me ons something Feb 08 16:55:25 Bluetooth alsa modules are missing Feb 08 16:56:25 so i have compile them, as android have own libc(here i'm unsure). Feb 08 16:57:34 hm Feb 08 16:59:05 hm? Feb 08 17:00:44 I couldn't remember :/ Feb 08 17:01:41 where were posts about bluetooth audio, i checked some of them. Feb 08 17:01:54 no final solutions Feb 08 17:04:31 there is something disabled I remember, but not, where Feb 08 17:12:05 Something still wrong Feb 08 17:13:01 I'm on debian-testing/amd64 Feb 08 17:13:29 installed jdk from repo Feb 08 17:13:44 set JAVA_HOME and ANDROID_JAVA_HOME Feb 08 17:17:16 and got this: http://pastebin.com/m1b0cebc0 Feb 08 17:17:31 LANG=C make -j5 TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner 2>&1 Feb 08 17:18:45 which cross compiler it uses? Feb 08 17:19:35 export PATH=$(java-config -O)/bin:$PATH Feb 08 17:20:46 something in prebuilt Feb 08 17:24:40 i have no java-config executable :( Feb 08 17:27:08 oh Feb 08 17:28:12 ls /opt/sun-jdk* Feb 08 17:28:54 work:/home/gena/prg/openmoko/android/aof_source# LANG=C ls /opt/sun-jdk* Feb 08 17:28:54 ls: cannot access /opt/sun-jdk*: No such file or directory Feb 08 17:29:27 work:/home/gena/prg/openmoko/android/aof_source# dpkg -L sun-java5-jdk |wc -l Feb 08 17:29:27 118 Feb 08 17:31:06 i set JAVA_PATH Feb 08 17:32:45 ok, I'll try sun's (oracle?) jdk from their site... Feb 08 17:42:42 I don't use debian for some reason :/ Feb 08 17:46:30 I am using it for last... 8 years (ubuntu didn't ever exist ;) ). but tell me please, - repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b cupcake; repo sync; CC= CXX= JAVA_HOME= ANDROID_JAVA_HOME; make -j 4 TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner Feb 08 17:46:59 and it should compile whole thing as a magic? Feb 08 17:47:10 or i missed some step? Feb 08 18:03:33 [19:00] CC= CXX= JAVA_HOME= ANDROID_JAVA_HOME; Feb 08 18:03:33 [19:00] don't need them Feb 08 18:03:33 [19:00] use my export for the java path Feb 08 18:03:33 [19:00] and I don't know if -j 4 will work for sure, normally it's -j4 Feb 08 18:04:22 ok, thanks Feb 08 18:28:29 did it work? Feb 08 19:13:40 hey, serdar, what was the url for the 1024 bug you gave earlier today? Feb 08 19:14:03 you managed to install shr? Feb 08 19:14:38 yeah Feb 08 19:14:40 and connect to it Feb 08 19:14:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024 Feb 08 19:14:51 I h ave an old gsm firmware, so I need to fix that Feb 08 19:14:58 I thought I'd check for 1024 as well Feb 08 19:14:58 I see. Feb 08 19:15:00 thanks Feb 08 19:15:10 which one do you have? Feb 08 19:15:12 moko Feb 08 19:16:03 why you have managed to get it installed I am trying to get the shr community to use the installer too :D Feb 08 19:16:16 shr Feb 08 19:17:07 no moko10? Feb 08 19:17:10 nope Feb 08 19:17:24 how do you know, that your gsm is old? Feb 08 19:17:24 apparently (according to the wiki) it's not actively supported Feb 08 19:17:26 shr is Feb 08 19:17:40 shr is old? Feb 08 19:17:41 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo Feb 08 19:17:47 nope.. shr is supported Feb 08 19:18:00 doing that mdbus gives gsm firmware version Feb 08 19:18:14 I know, I've seen that yesterday :> Feb 08 19:18:20 :) Feb 08 19:18:21 we need this for android too Feb 08 19:18:25 yeah, that would be good Feb 08 19:22:10 I don't think I have the 1024 bug Feb 08 19:22:27 at least I don't manage to get the gsm to connect roughly every second Feb 08 19:26:49 caI guess I found it. Feb 08 19:27:15 but I don't know what to do with it. Feb 08 19:28:01 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=gsmd2.git;a=blob;f=src/device.c;h=5969e3fb42ef17041dc12caf16802d954898f5fc;hb=HEAD Feb 08 19:28:04 device commands Feb 08 19:28:13 but porting it to android... Feb 08 19:30:36 :D Feb 08 19:35:49 pfft copying that flash image takes ages Feb 08 19:43:36 I wonder what happens if you flash an fr that has already firmware 11 Feb 08 19:47:57 ok, I think that worked Feb 08 19:48:13 you got which firmware now? Feb 08 19:48:18 11 is the last iirc Feb 08 19:48:56 yeah Feb 08 19:49:46 there should happen nothing Feb 08 19:50:30 yeah, that worked Feb 08 19:51:14 now to put android back on it Feb 08 20:04:15 hi Harry Feb 08 20:04:28 we missed you yesterday Feb 08 20:04:47 little bit to late, but thanks :) Feb 08 20:05:30 I really wished I could have been there, especially the beer night =) Feb 08 20:05:46 I hear it went well? Feb 08 20:05:56 Aitch_, larlin was at the beer night and was drinking everything :D Feb 08 20:05:59 hi larlin :) Feb 08 20:06:00 now I'm home everyone got home okay? Feb 08 20:06:27 Aitch_, make your impression: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2010/02/08/fsoosdem-2010/ Feb 08 20:06:35 the blog from michael lauer Feb 08 20:08:01 No pics? Feb 08 20:09:28 huh there are some pics Feb 08 20:09:40 3 at least Feb 08 20:10:58 I meant of our team? Feb 08 20:11:14 oh Feb 08 20:11:16 err Feb 08 20:12:47 or wait Feb 08 20:12:55