**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 16 02:59:57 2010
Feb 16 08:50:49 <mvzaanen> Morning, all.
Feb 16 08:52:35 <Serdar> morning
Feb 16 09:15:58 <ColdFyre> ponies
Feb 16 09:20:45 <Serdar> he again
Feb 16 10:36:27 <pbaxter> hi all
Feb 16 10:37:37 <mvzaanen> does anyone know where I can buy a new FR battery cheaply?
Feb 16 10:38:26 <pbaxter> mvzaanen, i think you can buy an usual Nokia Battery
Feb 16 10:38:38 <mvzaanen> yeah, but these have less capacity
Feb 16 10:38:46 <mvzaanen> or do they work better?
Feb 16 10:38:49 <pbaxter> just see the technicals about FR battery and find a battery with same carachteristics
Feb 16 10:39:02 <pbaxter> mvzaanen, i don't know
Feb 16 10:39:06 <pbaxter> i know that they work!
Feb 16 10:39:07 <mvzaanen> there's a page on which nokia ones fit, but they all have less capacity, unfortunately
Feb 16 10:39:10 <mvzaanen> yeah :D
Feb 16 10:39:12 <mvzaanen> do you hvae one?
Feb 16 10:39:25 <pbaxter> yes i have one but i never tried it onto my FR
Feb 16 10:39:30 <mvzaanen> ah, ok
Feb 16 10:39:49 <pbaxter> mvzaanen, i have to take my dog out ;) cya
Feb 16 10:39:55 <mvzaanen> k, take care
Feb 16 10:40:04 <pbaxter> u2
Feb 16 10:40:05 <pbaxter> bye
Feb 16 12:33:29 <Serdar> mvzaanen, 19 EUR
Feb 16 12:34:44 <Serdar> mvzaanen, btw. have you tried your batter with your wife's freerunner?
Feb 16 12:34:55 <Serdar> and the other way too.
Feb 16 12:35:09 <mvzaanen> yeah I have
Feb 16 12:35:12 <mvzaanen> it's the battery
Feb 16 12:35:18 <mvzaanen> I just ordered a nokia replacement
Feb 16 12:35:19 <Serdar> that's nice.
Feb 16 12:35:26 <mvzaanen> E11 including sending
Feb 16 12:35:29 <Serdar> how much does it costs?
Feb 16 12:35:37 <mvzaanen> E19 was with pulster, right?
Feb 16 12:35:38 <Serdar> 11 EUR?
Feb 16 12:35:39 <mvzaanen> yeah
Feb 16 12:35:56 <mvzaanen> then I think there's some E15 transport costs
Feb 16 12:36:05 <Serdar> 24.9 EUR with transport
Feb 16 12:36:12 <mvzaanen> ah
Feb 16 12:36:19 <mvzaanen> well, that's still double what I got now
Feb 16 12:36:24 <mvzaanen> and I'll probably have it tomorrow
Feb 16 12:36:39 <Serdar> can you show me the page?
Feb 16 12:36:51 <mvzaanen> once my browser works again :D
Feb 16 12:37:19 <Serdar> I have a second original fic batter here
Feb 16 12:37:32 <Serdar> but 1200 is too less I guess
Feb 16 12:38:55 <mvzaanen> ?
Feb 16 12:38:56 <mvzaanen> 1200
Feb 16 12:39:59 <Serdar> yes it's standard
Feb 16 12:40:03 <Serdar> 1200 mAh
Feb 16 12:40:08 <mvzaanen> http://www.mobilesupplies.nl/battery-nokia-bl6c-e50-e70-original-p-4359.html
Feb 16 12:40:19 <mvzaanen> that's only the standard fr battery
Feb 16 12:40:24 <mvzaanen> all nokias are less
Feb 16 12:40:25 <mvzaanen> I think
Feb 16 12:41:07 <Serdar> there is no info
Feb 16 12:41:18 <mvzaanen> that's a BL-6C
Feb 16 12:41:38 <Serdar> but no info about capacity
Feb 16 12:41:40 <mvzaanen> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Hardware_capabilities
Feb 16 12:41:45 <mvzaanen> 1150mAh
Feb 16 12:42:11 <Serdar> I want 2400 mAh :>
Feb 16 12:42:19 <mvzaanen> I'd love that
Feb 16 12:42:27 <mvzaanen> can you find it somewhere?
Feb 16 12:42:31 <Serdar> charge of 2 days use of one day :D
Feb 16 12:43:14 <mvzaanen>   Can i use that fancy 2800 mAh BL-5C-compatible battery i saw on ebay?  Unless you want an explosion in your pocket i wouldn't recommend using any battery that is not produced by a reputable vendor and widely tested. And even reputable vendors make mistakes, nokia once had to recall 46 million batteries manufactured by Matsushita ([2]).
Feb 16 12:43:15 <Serdar> what kind of caracteristic are we looking at
Feb 16 12:43:52 <Serdar> hm
Feb 16 12:44:04 <mvzaanen> dunno
Feb 16 12:44:23 <Serdar> have you seen the pdf from mickey from fosdem?
Feb 16 12:44:48 <mvzaanen> nope
Feb 16 12:44:50 <Serdar> there is a work useing a new board.
Feb 16 12:45:05 <mvzaanen> new board?
Feb 16 12:45:08 <mvzaanen> what kind of board?
Feb 16 12:45:42 <Serdar> yeah they are useing beagle board for this stuff and if it works properly, there will be new modelling and the board from gta02 can be replaced
Feb 16 12:46:09 <mvzaanen> ah, sweet
Feb 16 12:46:12 <Serdar> the changes are cpu, umts and few other things which I don't remember
Feb 16 12:46:20 <mvzaanen> that sounds excellent
Feb 16 12:46:27 <mvzaanen> how is that related to gta03?
Feb 16 12:46:33 <Serdar> none
Feb 16 12:46:36 <Serdar> gta03 is dead
Feb 16 12:46:47 <mvzaanen> yeah, I thought this might be coming from that
Feb 16 12:48:29 <Serdar> http://www.linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/FOSDEM2010.pdf
Feb 16 12:48:52 <Serdar> slide 26
Feb 16 12:49:05 <Serdar> it's not fitting the case atm.
Feb 16 12:51:37 <mvzaanen> cool
Feb 16 12:58:27 <Serdar> oh I have a BL-5c here
Feb 16 13:01:23 <Serdar> you ordered what?
Feb 16 13:01:26 <Serdar> mvzaanen
Feb 16 13:01:39 <mvzaanen> BL-6C
Feb 16 13:01:57 <mvzaanen> that has a bit more capacity
Feb 16 13:05:00 <Serdar> ah. k
Feb 16 13:05:17 <Serdar> should I try 5C? :>
Feb 16 13:05:27 <mvzaanen> you could :D
Feb 16 13:05:31 <mvzaanen> is your battery acting up?
Feb 16 13:05:41 <Serdar> acting up?
Feb 16 13:05:51 <Serdar> my battery is okay
Feb 16 13:05:52 <mvzaanen> not working well
Feb 16 13:05:58 <mvzaanen> why try the 5C then?
Feb 16 13:05:59 <mvzaanen> :D
Feb 16 13:07:04 <Serdar> 5C is smaller
Feb 16 13:07:36 <Serdar> does not has the same thickness as the originall
Feb 16 13:08:45 <Serdar> hmm I guess if I try I would regret it :>
Feb 16 13:18:46 <mvzaanen> nah
Feb 16 13:18:50 <mvzaanen> why would you?
Feb 16 13:23:51 <mvzaanen> have you tried?
Feb 16 13:24:35 <mvzaanen> coffee break
Feb 16 13:57:50 <mvzaanen> and?
Feb 16 13:57:52 <mvzaanen> does it work?
Feb 16 14:00:38 <mvzaanen> battery has been shipped
Feb 16 14:00:45 <mvzaanen> I guess I'll stay working at home tomorrow
Feb 16 14:16:19 <Serdar> didn't tried it.
Feb 16 14:16:35 <Serdar> I am frighted :/
Feb 16 14:17:11 <mvzaanen> :D
Feb 16 14:17:13 <mvzaanen> why?
Feb 16 14:17:16 <mvzaanen> it says that it should work
Feb 16 14:20:13 <Serdar> works
Feb 16 14:22:38 <Serdar> need to go.
Feb 16 14:28:26 <mvzaanen> whee
Feb 16 15:37:39 <sanvy> hi all
Feb 16 16:08:24 <pbaxter> hi sanvy
Feb 16 16:08:38 <sanvy> Serdar, sorry, can you tell me what kind of filesystem has kernel.img, please?
Feb 16 16:08:42 <sanvy> hi pbaxter
Feb 16 16:46:32 <rodion> hullo! i have yet another potentially stupid question: how do i enable gprs?
Feb 16 16:46:55 <jancona> sanvy: kernel.img doesn't have a filesystem, it's just a raw image
Feb 16 16:47:43 <sanvy> ah ok
Feb 16 16:47:43 <sanvy> thanks
Feb 16 16:48:02 <sanvy> i was trying to boot from uSD
Feb 16 16:48:04 <jancona> rodion: GPRS is enabled by default. You may need to enter APN info for your provider
Feb 16 16:48:18 <rodion> jancona: ok, thanks.
Feb 16 16:48:26 <sanvy> but kernel.img doesn't work... and if i use a random uimage.bin i get a kernel panic
Feb 16 16:49:31 <jancona> sanvy: I don't understand
Feb 16 16:49:47 <jancona> kernel.img doesn't work for what
Feb 16 16:50:11 <sanvy> for usb booting, because it needs uImage-GTA02.bin, not a .img file
Feb 16 16:51:10 <jancona> What do you mean "usb booting"?
Feb 16 16:51:30 <sanvy> oh sorry, I wrong to write, I mean uSD booting
Feb 16 16:51:37 <sanvy> boot android from uSD instead of flash
Feb 16 16:53:41 <ran000> To sanvy: Please, read and try http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component
Feb 16 16:54:00 <jancona> Oh. The kernel.img is built including the ramdisk with init, and related files
Feb 16 16:54:31 <jancona> They will only work for booting from NAND
Feb 16 16:55:01 <jancona> You will have to modify the kernel config and/or the init contents to boot from SD
Feb 16 16:58:11 <sanvy> thanks Rakhun
Feb 16 16:58:20 <sanvy> ran000, **
Feb 16 16:58:59 <sanvy> jancona, i think i modified init.rc for uSD, now i need a compatible kernel image...
Feb 16 17:00:50 <jancona> If you rebuild the kernel, the kernel.img should include your modified init.rc
Feb 16 17:01:28 <sanvy> ah...
Feb 16 17:01:36 <sanvy> and how can I use kernel.img on uSD?
Feb 16 17:01:56 <jancona> Just rename it and put it in the right place
Feb 16 17:02:14 <sanvy> ah
Feb 16 17:02:14 <sanvy> figo
Feb 16 17:02:19 <sanvy> ok thanks :)
Feb 16 17:05:19 <sanvy> so... the link provided by ran000 says that there is a version running on uSD?
Feb 16 17:25:31 <rodion> does the usb mode setting survive reboots?
Feb 16 17:25:51 <rodion> i have set my freerunner to usb host mode ... now i cannot get usb networking to work, even after reboot.
Feb 16 17:26:54 <sanvy> usb host mode?
Feb 16 17:26:57 <sanvy> how?
Feb 16 17:29:25 <rodion> echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode
Feb 16 17:29:32 <rodion> and echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode
Feb 16 17:29:37 <rodion> (not sure about the latter part)
Feb 16 17:29:43 <rodion> worked well ...
Feb 16 17:29:59 <rodion> but now i have +5v on the usb-cable even after reboot :/
Feb 16 17:30:03 <rodion> so i assume host mode persists
Feb 16 17:30:15 <rodion> which means i cannot get into the freerunner any more.
Feb 16 17:30:17 <rodion> crap.
Feb 16 17:30:35 <sanvy> mm
Feb 16 17:30:39 <sanvy> via ssh over wifi?
Feb 16 17:31:01 <rodion> i have a telnet server on there, but it doesn't come up automatically ...
Feb 16 17:31:09 <rodion> i had brought it up using adb
Feb 16 17:31:20 <sanvy> what sfiga
Feb 16 17:31:20 <sanvy> ,,
Feb 16 17:31:21 <sanvy> mm
Feb 16 17:31:41 <rodion> whatever, i guess i'm going to call it a day and have another look tomorrow
Feb 16 17:31:46 <sanvy> the problem is that android boot in ro mode, so you cannot edit files using betterterminal, for example
Feb 16 17:32:39 <sanvy> and if you connect android with pc via usb, you risk to damage both moko and computer usb
Feb 16 17:33:43 <rodion> yeah ...
Feb 16 17:33:57 <rodion> but taking out the battery and rebooting worked
Feb 16 17:34:09 <rodion> so i have usb networking again ...
Feb 16 17:34:10 <rodion> whew ;)
Feb 16 17:35:04 <sanvy> lol
Feb 16 18:10:57 <mattboll> hi all
Feb 16 18:11:40 <mattboll> good work !
Feb 16 18:12:32 <sanvy> hi mattboll
Feb 16 18:26:36 <rodion> "W/pppd    ( 1124): LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests"
Feb 16 18:26:44 <rodion> does this indicate an incorrect apn setting?
Feb 16 18:26:50 <rodion> (i fail to get an gprs connection)
Feb 16 19:50:14 <Serdar> re
Feb 16 20:53:27 <mattboll> re ? is it a french channel ? :p
Feb 16 21:22:14 <Gabrys> hi here
Feb 16 21:22:28 <Gabrys> what was the magic spell to enable the SD card?
Feb 16 21:31:41 <mattboll> abracadabra ?
Feb 16 21:31:54 <mattboll> sorry, i'm new with aof :/
Feb 16 21:34:29 <Gabrys> :P
Feb 16 21:34:35 <Gabrys> ok I got it working other way ;-)
Feb 17 00:10:22 <Serdar> re=returned
Feb 17 00:10:25 <Serdar> it's english.
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