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Feb 18 08:10:28 <mvzaanen> Morning, all.
Feb 18 09:33:11 <pbaxter> hi all
Feb 18 09:34:10 <mvzaanen> hi pbaxter
Feb 18 09:34:31 <pbaxter> mvzaanen, are you with eclair or cupcake?
Feb 18 09:35:12 <mvzaanen> cupcake
Feb 18 09:35:15 <mvzaanen> uhm
Feb 18 09:35:20 <mvzaanen> what does "are you with" mean?
Feb 18 09:35:22 <mvzaanen> I use cupcake
Feb 18 09:35:22 <pbaxter> uhm?
Feb 18 09:35:25 <pbaxter> ah ok
Feb 18 09:35:31 <mvzaanen> why?
Feb 18 09:35:32 <mvzaanen> :D
Feb 18 09:35:36 <pbaxter> to know
Feb 18 09:37:08 <mvzaanen> I'm not an expert
Feb 18 09:37:20 <mvzaanen> at least not on cupcake
Feb 18 10:03:42 <Serdar2> morning
Feb 18 10:04:46 <mvzaanen> hey Serdar2
Feb 18 10:04:53 <Serdar2> hi mvzaanen
Feb 18 10:05:01 <Serdar2> how's your battery?
Feb 18 10:05:04 <mvzaanen> crap
Feb 18 10:05:08 <mvzaanen> I went back to the original one
Feb 18 10:05:16 <mvzaanen> I'll order a real FR battery
Feb 18 10:05:17 <Serdar2> sending it back?
Feb 18 10:05:22 <mvzaanen> probablty
Feb 18 10:10:02 <mvzaanen> hmm
Feb 18 10:10:06 <mvzaanen> where did you find that cheap battery?
Feb 18 10:10:10 <mvzaanen> pulster has E15 postage
Feb 18 10:10:16 <mvzaanen> which I think is stupic
Feb 18 10:13:28 <mvzaanen> http://www.handheld-linux.com still has E9.73 shipping
Feb 18 10:26:30 <Serdar2> I have two batteries :Y
Feb 18 10:26:31 <Serdar2> :>
Feb 18 10:26:38 <Serdar2> and two Debug boards :/
Feb 18 10:30:58 <mvzaanen> heh
Feb 18 10:31:11 <mvzaanen> are both batteries fine and do you want to get rid of one?
Feb 18 10:31:28 <Serdar2> I would get rid of one debug board :>
Feb 18 10:31:33 <mvzaanen> :D
Feb 18 10:31:55 <mvzaanen> I'm not sure i really need a debug board
Feb 18 10:32:13 <Serdar2> I' mot sure I really need two debug boards :>
Feb 18 10:32:14 <mvzaanen> but you found a cheap store for the FR battery a few days ago
Feb 18 10:32:19 <mvzaanen> heh
Feb 18 10:32:27 <mvzaanen> you probably don't unless you also have two FRs
Feb 18 10:32:34 <Serdar2> no I am referencing to pulster
Feb 18 10:32:42 <mvzaanen> yeah, I was afraid you did
Feb 18 10:32:47 <mvzaanen> they want E15 for shipping
Feb 18 10:32:51 <mvzaanen> which is rediculous
Feb 18 10:32:53 <Serdar2> if I would, I were also useing one
Feb 18 10:33:11 <mvzaanen> parallel processing using a stack of FRs
Feb 18 10:33:13 <Serdar2> you can have one battery, but I don't know how much it costs to send to you
Feb 18 10:33:23 <mvzaanen> you're in germany, right?
Feb 18 10:33:29 <Serdar2> yes
Feb 18 10:33:35 <mvzaanen> probably E5 or something
Feb 18 10:34:06 <Serdar2> maybe no idea. never send something far away.
Feb 18 10:35:39 <mvzaanen> hmmm
Feb 18 10:38:20 <mvzaanen> I'm not extremely far
Feb 18 10:38:43 <Serdar2> then come and take it, then there is no postal costs :>
Feb 18 10:38:53 <mvzaanen> uhm.. that's a bit too far :D
Feb 18 10:39:00 <mvzaanen> where in germany are you?
Feb 18 10:39:17 <Serdar2> "not extreemly far" "too far" make your mind :P
Feb 18 10:39:31 <Serdar2> Duesseldorf
Feb 18 10:39:32 <mvzaanen> heh
Feb 18 10:39:34 <mvzaanen> Tilburg
Feb 18 10:39:55 <Serdar2> Venlo is next to me I guess
Feb 18 10:40:08 <mvzaanen> yeah
Feb 18 10:40:14 <mvzaanen> it's actually not extremely far
Feb 18 10:40:20 <mvzaanen> I'm in the south of the netherlands
Feb 18 10:40:37 <mvzaanen> 155km
Feb 18 10:41:59 <Serdar2> Eindhoven, that reminds me at fosdem :>
Feb 18 10:42:51 <mvzaanen> you've been there?
Feb 18 10:43:02 <mvzaanen> that's pretty close to where I live
Feb 18 10:43:04 <mvzaanen> you could have visiste
Feb 18 10:43:06 <mvzaanen> visited
Feb 18 10:44:03 <Serdar2> no I got lost
Feb 18 10:44:03 <Serdar2> I were driving from Bruxsel to Antwerpen
Feb 18 10:44:03 <Serdar2> got lost there too
Feb 18 10:44:04 <Serdar2> and then I found a way to drive to Aachen
Feb 18 10:44:09 <Serdar2> or Aken
Feb 18 10:44:15 <Serdar2> and found my way home :>
Feb 18 10:44:21 <mvzaanen> :D
Feb 18 10:44:27 <mvzaanen> you were driving, not by train?
Feb 18 10:44:35 <Serdar2> that's right
Feb 18 10:44:55 <mvzaanen> whee
Feb 18 10:45:01 <mvzaanen> I found a shop in .nl that sells them
Feb 18 10:45:06 <mvzaanen> shipping is only E1.32
Feb 18 10:46:24 <Serdar2> nice
Feb 18 10:49:17 <mvzaanen> and E0.50 cheaper than pulster
Feb 18 10:49:47 <Serdar2> hehe
Feb 18 11:19:08 <Serdar2> mvzaanen, you know guys who want's to hack our installer?
Feb 18 11:19:14 <Serdar2> who want to hack
Feb 18 11:45:58 <pbaxter> Serdar2, to hack for?
Feb 18 11:48:47 <Serdar2> I told you that yesterday :O
Feb 18 11:49:02 <Serdar2> to change bootloader, kernel code etc.
Feb 18 11:53:12 <pbaxter> but now they work!
Feb 18 11:56:02 <mvzaanen> heh
Feb 18 11:56:18 <mvzaanen> I don't really understand all the issues involved
Feb 18 11:56:27 <mvzaanen> it would be good if there was this universal installer
Feb 18 11:56:37 <mvzaanen> or perhaps even better, a multi-os bootloader
Feb 18 11:56:43 <mvzaanen> where in a menu you can select which os to boot
Feb 18 11:58:19 <mvzaanen> what language/languages is/are the bootloader programmed in?
Feb 18 12:13:57 <pbaxter> mvzaanen, english!!! LOL
Feb 18 12:14:04 <mvzaanen> heh
Feb 18 12:14:06 <mvzaanen> you wish
Feb 18 12:35:02 <Serdar2> mvzaanen, there is a mutli-os bootloader, but this is not easy for everyone
Feb 18 12:35:21 <mvzaanen> in what sense?
Feb 18 12:35:32 <Serdar2> to install
Feb 18 12:35:37 <mvzaanen> ah
Feb 18 12:35:44 <Serdar2> dfu-util is not easy.
Feb 18 12:35:53 <mvzaanen> it would be good if you could simply unpack something on the sd (or push it) and then it would recognize it
Feb 18 12:35:54 <Serdar2> and does not work for everyone too.
Feb 18 12:35:55 <mvzaanen> like grub
Feb 18 12:36:15 <Serdar2> this is what the new bootloader is doing.
Feb 18 12:36:19 <mvzaanen> yeah
Feb 18 12:36:43 <Serdar2> http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/
Feb 18 12:37:40 <mvzaanen> sweet
Feb 18 12:38:20 <mvzaanen> is that project good enough to use?
Feb 18 12:38:33 <mvzaanen> so we could use that to get AoF to work with it?
Feb 18 12:38:42 <Serdar2> I couldn't
Feb 18 12:38:52 <mvzaanen> why not?
Feb 18 12:38:52 <Serdar2> I broke my bootloader :>
Feb 18 12:38:55 <mvzaanen> ah
Feb 18 12:39:15 <Serdar2> I can't flash qi with openmoko flasher
Feb 18 12:39:25 <mvzaanen> ?
Feb 18 12:39:26 <Serdar2> kernel worked, but that'S all
Feb 18 12:39:31 <Serdar2> I am useing Mac OS X
Feb 18 12:39:35 <mvzaanen> oh, I see
Feb 18 12:40:51 <Serdar2> so I need the openmoko flasher
Feb 18 12:41:41 <mvzaanen> what's the problem with Mac OS X, btw?
Feb 18 12:42:08 <Serdar2> there are many problems
Feb 18 12:42:45 <Serdar2> one is that I can't use usb debugging because network didn't recognized well
Feb 18 12:42:53 <mvzaanen> that sucks
Feb 18 12:42:55 <Serdar2> there is no working driver for cdc network
Feb 18 12:42:57 <mvzaanen> why  not simply use linux?
Feb 18 12:43:00 <Serdar2> for 10.6
Feb 18 12:43:07 <Serdar2> don't have one
Feb 18 12:43:13 <Serdar2> only vm but that sucks
Feb 18 18:26:30 <sanvy> hi all
Feb 18 18:41:50 <Serdar2> hi
Feb 18 18:43:18 <sanvy> hi Serdar2
Feb 18 18:43:28 <Serdar2> hi sanvy
Feb 18 19:23:27 <ajafo> hi
Feb 18 19:23:30 <ajafo> sby alive?
Feb 18 19:27:50 <ajafo> i'm searching for libmuxgsm-ril.so  from #63 issue
Feb 18 21:10:49 <Serdar2> hi jancona
Feb 18 21:14:39 <jancona> Hi Serdar
Feb 18 21:16:14 <Serdar2> I am thinking of sending the mail now or writing everything here again, but I guess I will finish the mail.
Feb 18 21:16:36 <jancona> Sounds good
Feb 18 21:16:54 <Serdar2> sent
Feb 18 21:17:19 <Serdar2> I am waiting for a repo diff
Feb 18 21:22:00 <Serdar2> http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/installer2.diff
Feb 18 21:30:27 <jancona> So did that build?
Feb 18 21:31:12 <Serdar2> I don't get any errors but the result is shit.
Feb 18 21:31:59 <Serdar2> the uImage.img is really small
Feb 18 21:32:08 <Serdar2> 1.5M
Feb 18 21:32:54 <Serdar2> in which image should busybox and mtd-utils appear?
Feb 18 21:33:10 <Serdar2> you only get two images: qi.img and uImage.img
Feb 18 21:33:37 <Serdar2> it could be, that busybox and mtd-utils are not compiled well
Feb 18 21:33:49 <Serdar2> or my mk file is bad
Feb 18 22:02:44 <Serdar2> http://pastebin.com/m3c4a0370
Feb 18 22:03:29 <Serdar2> jancona, I see there two things: there is no warning or error with busybox but I don't believe it or second busybox didn't compile
Feb 18 22:10:49 <jancona> They should be part of the kernel initrd image
Feb 18 22:14:48 <Serdar2> so they don't compile
Feb 18 22:16:12 <jancona> You should see the stuff thats going into the initrd in the root/ subdirectory
Feb 18 22:19:19 <Serdar2> there is no initrd in root
Feb 18 22:19:35 <Serdar2> only the init file which is compiled from installer dir
Feb 18 22:20:14 <Serdar2> ah there is no busybox in out dir so busybox will not be compiled
Feb 18 22:21:42 <jancona> I've go to go now.
Feb 18 22:21:52 <Serdar2> got to go
Feb 18 22:22:13 <jancona> Right. I won't be back on for 4 hours or so
Feb 18 22:22:28 <jancona> I'll let you know if I get any forther
Feb 18 22:22:34 <jancona> Further
Feb 18 22:22:42 <jancona> If only I could type!
Feb 18 22:23:00 <jancona> ttyl
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