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Aug 14 09:31:15 <gnustavo> hello, somebody know if is possible install new apps from a Market in android-on-freerunner-cupcake-week-2010-16?
Aug 14 09:31:26 <gnustavo> the browser says that market://something=?I-want is no aviable....
Aug 14 12:57:43 <s0u][ight> hi guys
Aug 14 12:57:50 <s0u][ight> Serdar2, ping
Aug 14 12:58:02 <Serdar2> pong
Aug 14 12:58:10 <s0u][ight> i got market on freerunner :P
Aug 14 12:58:51 <Serdar2> for what?
Aug 14 12:59:13 <s0u][ight> google market, i got it working on android-on-freerunner
Aug 14 13:01:31 <DJ_Steve> wat was up with it
Aug 14 13:01:44 <Serdar2> cupcake, eclair, froyo?
Aug 14 13:02:15 <s0u][ight> eclair
Aug 14 13:02:35 <s0u][ight> is there a froyo build working?
Aug 14 13:03:15 <Serdar2> I am building a new one
Aug 14 13:04:03 <s0u][ight> i think i can make it work on that too :P
Aug 14 13:05:58 <s0u][ight> Serdar2, can you make a full sd installation for eclair/froyo?
Aug 14 14:14:29 <s0u][ight> hi guys
Aug 14 14:14:35 <s0u][ight> Serdar2, still building?
Aug 14 14:15:03 <s0u][ight> can i make a symbolic link to the sdcard from /system/app?
Aug 14 14:16:33 <Serdar2> yes still building
Aug 14 14:16:43 <Serdar2> I guess not
Aug 14 14:17:02 <s0u][ight> :/ the system partition is full, can't download anything to it from market
Aug 14 14:20:03 <ran000> hello
Aug 14 14:20:07 <Serdar2> hi
Aug 14 14:22:27 <ran000> for s0u][ight: same as exist cupcake SDbased eclair or froyo exist as well, but for cupcake is stable version - RC1, but for eclair/froyo not
Aug 14 14:23:01 <Serdar2> I am building a new froyo
Aug 14 14:23:34 <s0u][ight> ran000, that would be amazing, i have managed to get market working, but the system partition is out of memory, thus no downloading of apps :/
Aug 14 14:23:54 <Serdar2> froyo -> installing to disk
Aug 14 14:24:31 <s0u][ight> Serdar2, nand?
Aug 14 14:24:40 <Serdar2> sd
Aug 14 14:24:50 <s0u][ight> :) thanks a lot
Aug 14 14:24:54 <Serdar2> froyo allows that
Aug 14 14:25:12 <s0u][ight> :) nice
Aug 14 14:25:23 <Serdar2> it's only possible with froyo, eclair does not support this feature
Aug 14 14:25:24 <s0u][ight> do you guys want me to write a guide on getting market on freerunner?
Aug 14 14:25:36 <Serdar2> yes
Aug 14 14:25:40 <s0u][ight> Serdar2, that's why I asked about symbolic linking :)
Aug 14 14:25:56 <s0u][ight> a2sd <= wonder if that would work on fr
Aug 14 14:26:07 <Serdar2> I hope so
Aug 14 14:26:12 <ran000> i think it is not legal
Aug 14 14:26:19 <s0u][ight> ran000, what?
Aug 14 14:26:28 <Serdar2> the symlink?
Aug 14 14:26:55 <ran000> google staff at freerunner
Aug 14 14:27:09 <s0u][ight> ran000, if you mean the guide, i will write one on a pastebin link and will share here
Aug 14 14:27:17 <s0u][ight> and i won't provide files
Aug 14 14:27:32 <Serdar2> I guess it is.
Aug 14 14:27:44 <Serdar2> market is not paid software
Aug 14 14:28:19 <s0u][ight> actually, can't you guys ask for a license to put that on your build?
Aug 14 14:31:27 <s0u][ight> is there an etc/fstab file?
Aug 14 14:34:27 <ran000> no if we talking about cupcake or eclair.  yes - for froyo
Aug 14 14:34:58 <ran000> it is vold.fstab
Aug 14 14:35:20 <s0u][ight> crap, i thought, i could mount a third partition from the sdcard in /system/app/
Aug 14 14:35:28 <s0u][ight> is there a way i can do that?
Aug 14 14:37:14 <ran000> it is possilbe. Simples way - looks to SDbased cupcake.
Aug 14 14:37:58 <s0u][ight> ran000, those sdbased versions, is it just extracting the whole system?
Aug 14 14:38:24 <s0u][ight> or, how can i make an sd based version of eclair
Aug 14 14:38:33 <s0u][ight> would really easy my job :P
Aug 14 14:40:41 <ran000> eclair is not stable. Pore power, no gprs, wrong calc and so. I think no sense to work with it. For new - look to froyo, for stable - work with cupcake!
Aug 14 14:42:06 <s0u][ight> ran000, i haven't found descent google apps for cupcake and haven't found a working froyo build just yet :)
Aug 14 14:45:28 <ran000__> I think that a way you use the apps is same for cupcake and eclair.
Aug 14 14:45:56 <ran000__> So, try it for cupcake
Aug 14 14:46:39 <s0u][ight> :/ people told me the packages are incompatible :|
Aug 14 14:46:49 <s0u][ight> ran000__, i'll wait for froyo for now :P
Aug 14 14:47:17 <s0u][ight> btw, how can i root the system?
Aug 14 14:47:20 <ran000__> My expirience: it work for cupcake and eclair.
Aug 14 14:50:11 <ran000> http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/browse_thread/thread/d1c9dddb19a39a62/ef433e9f6329c136?lnk=gst&q=mksdimage#ef433e9f6329c136
Aug 14 14:50:15 <ran000> read here
Aug 14 14:57:53 <s0u][ight> ran ran away :D
Aug 14 14:58:03 <s0u][ight> Serdar2, what was going wrong with the latest builds?
Aug 14 15:22:19 <abram> going to send my freerunner back... :(
Aug 14 15:22:37 <abram> 220€ is too much for a device like that
Aug 14 15:22:58 <abram> if i can get another cheaper i'll take it
Aug 14 15:32:11 <TomaszD> abram, freedom is expensive
Aug 14 15:32:26 <abram> ^^ seems like
Aug 14 15:38:34 <abram> i never used android before but i thought there is a android market like the app store on eifon
Aug 14 15:38:58 <abram> or is the android version for freerunner very customized?
Aug 14 15:40:53 <abram> so that the market app is removed or sottn like that
Aug 14 15:45:39 <TomaszD> abram, freerunner has an opensource port of android
Aug 14 15:45:45 <TomaszD> the google applications are non-free
Aug 14 15:45:51 <abram> aaaah
Aug 14 15:45:52 <TomaszD> you need to license them from google
Aug 14 15:45:53 <abram> kk
Aug 14 15:46:08 <gnustavo> hello, somebody know an easy way to install adb whithout install all the development packages on debian?
Aug 14 15:46:10 <TomaszD> but
Aug 14 15:46:12 <abram> that explains the situation
Aug 14 15:46:24 <TomaszD> abram, you can check out my build http://sharebee.com/4c56abc6
Aug 14 15:46:36 <TomaszD> if you can fix the market downloading issue, then be my guest
Aug 14 15:46:49 <abram> :D
Aug 14 15:47:04 <abram> i would have to unpack the freerunner again
Aug 14 15:47:10 <abram> already packed for back shipping^^
Aug 14 15:47:22 <TomaszD> gnustavo, yes, you can copy the adb binary from the sdk and just put it in /usr/bin
Aug 14 15:47:52 <TomaszD> abram, my build at least has google talk, maps and gmail working without problems
Aug 14 15:47:58 <TomaszD> market also runs, but fails to download
Aug 14 15:48:04 <TomaszD> I was trying to debug this issue
Aug 14 15:48:07 <abram> nice
Aug 14 15:48:23 <TomaszD> abram, how long do you have before you can't send it back anymore
Aug 14 15:48:26 <abram> i should search for a cheaper freerunner
Aug 14 15:48:40 <abram> TomaszD: i think its two days or sottn...
Aug 14 15:48:42 <TomaszD> because at least one person does have market working on the official RC1 release
Aug 14 15:48:52 <abram> oh
Aug 14 15:48:53 <gnustavo> TomaszD thanks, let'go! your link http://sharebee.com/4c56abc6 is bettter than the  android-on-freerunner-cupcake-week-2010-16
Aug 14 15:49:06 <abram> ^^
Aug 14 15:49:27 <gnustavo> sorry, is a question :$
Aug 14 15:49:36 <TomaszD> gnustavo, http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-daily-20100805.tar.bz2 <- this is the base of the build
Aug 14 15:49:47 <TomaszD> but I see Serdar was busy releasing new things
Aug 14 15:50:04 <gnustavo> TomaszD and this work, never soes to http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/
Aug 14 15:50:19 <gnustavo> is my first day in this room
Aug 14 15:50:35 <TomaszD> hm?
Aug 14 15:50:36 <gnustavo> *never *goes*
Aug 14 15:50:50 <TomaszD> it won't ever got there
Aug 14 15:51:00 <TomaszD> *go
Aug 14 15:51:16 <TomaszD> google apps are copyright... if you know what I mean
Aug 14 15:52:03 <gnustavo> yes, i konw about the freedom
Aug 14 15:52:12 <TomaszD> no, this is a legality issue
Aug 14 15:52:31 <TomaszD> google will not be happy if we re-distribute their binaries
Aug 14 15:52:36 <TomaszD> so this is completely unofficial
Aug 14 15:53:13 <gnustavo> ok, and this relase is better than android-on-freerunner-cupcake-week-2010-16?
Aug 14 15:53:30 <TomaszD> I have no idea what changes Serdar made in 2010-16
Aug 14 15:54:13 <TomaszD> gnustavo, http://sharebee.com/4c56abc6 contains google apps, all the other builds do not
Aug 14 15:54:16 <TomaszD> that is the difference
Aug 14 15:54:32 <TomaszD> so yes, it's better in my opinion
Aug 14 15:54:54 <TomaszD> if someone can figure out how to fix downloads from the market, then even market will be functional
Aug 14 15:55:13 <TomaszD> I fixed GPRS in my own build and it still didn't help
Aug 14 15:55:24 <TomaszD> so I've no idea what else to do to fix it
Aug 14 20:11:58 <akmbomb> hello can anyone help me root my G1
Aug 14 20:28:59 <Serdar> froyo build is done
Aug 14 20:33:23 <Serdar> TomaszD, wanna try my last froyo build? :)
Aug 14 20:33:38 <TomaszD> Serdar, what's new
Aug 14 20:41:03 <Serdar> gprs change, data symlink, launcher change, add an apn, add all packages, played with audio pcm...
Aug 14 21:12:42 <Serdar> I am flashing froyo
Aug 14 21:13:01 <Serdar> after a looooong time I am booting my freerunner :)
Aug 14 21:22:18 <Serdar> lag from hell
Aug 14 21:22:27 <Serdar> this is freaking slow
Aug 14 21:44:43 <Serdar> hmm
Aug 14 21:44:50 <Serdar> it's better without animations
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