**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:57 2010
Sep 05 08:08:55 <Serdar1> hi
Sep 05 08:10:05 <Serdar1> TomaszD, Gabrys, ecraven please test my qi.img http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/qi.img if it works well for everyone it will replace the old qi.img of the installer
Sep 05 08:10:27 <TomaszD> once I find an external charger Serdar1 ...
Sep 05 08:10:32 <TomaszD> my battery is flat
Sep 05 08:10:52 <TomaszD> and I mean really-can't-boot-to-charge flat
Sep 05 08:10:58 <Serdar1> don't you have your cable?
Sep 05 08:11:35 <TomaszD> A5 has too small capacitors to boot off the cable
Sep 05 08:11:39 <Serdar1> usb2miniusb
Sep 05 08:11:46 <Serdar1> oh
Sep 05 08:11:53 <TomaszD> yeah, I tried
Sep 05 08:12:28 <Serdar1> what did you do to get your problem?
Sep 05 08:12:37 <TomaszD> there is a special key combo which made it boot off the cable if the battery still had some charge, but now that doesn't work too
Sep 05 08:12:55 <TomaszD> I didn't check the battery while uploading qtmoko on nand
Sep 05 08:13:05 <TomaszD> it died in mid process
Sep 05 08:14:09 <TomaszD> now I need to find a BL-5C charger or a phone that takes those batteries to charge it for a while, enough for me to flash nand and boot the new system
Sep 05 08:21:06 <Serdar1> you wanted flashing qtmoko and that was your death
Sep 05 08:21:14 <Serdar1> how ironic :)
Sep 05 08:53:54 <Gabrys> Serdar1: what changes in that qi?
Sep 05 08:54:08 <Serdar1> Gabrys, Timings
Sep 05 08:54:16 <Serdar1> glamo speedup
Sep 05 08:55:03 <Serdar1> I need people who says: it works fine, then I will add it to my future dailies
Sep 05 08:59:17 <Gabrys> cool, the gena2x's work
Sep 05 09:11:07 <gnustavo> Serdar1: hi! I want to help you with my neo+android, but it's hard to follow you. the documentation is scattered :)
Sep 05 09:12:21 <Serdar1> helping me? I am only producing dailies, our developer is not available now.
Sep 05 09:12:29 <Serdar1> Gabrys, that's it.
Sep 05 09:13:07 <Serdar1> Gabrys, the difference is, that our qi got a different layout. not kernel and rootfs but kernel, system and userdata
Sep 05 09:14:21 <Gabrys> yeah, I hate it BTW :-)
Sep 05 09:14:46 <Serdar1> JUDAS!
Sep 05 09:14:48 <Serdar1> :)
Sep 05 09:15:34 <gnustavo> Serdar1: help the development...
Sep 05 09:16:16 <Serdar1> gnustavo, I am not developing, it's jancona (or Jim Ancona from the mailing list)
Sep 05 09:16:33 <Serdar1> but he is living in California, so he sleeps now, I guess.
Sep 05 09:19:33 <gnustavo> ok, my cell works. it's so hard (for me) follow this comunity
Sep 05 09:19:55 <ran000> Hello
Sep 05 09:20:45 <ran000> Serdar Your qi work . I have check it with NAND and SD version of RC1
Sep 05 09:21:14 <gnustavo> thanks for your work, but I need more 'step-by-step-how-to' to be a tester
Sep 05 09:21:58 <ran000> But I could not undestend a differenses. It should be only in 2 bytes. And I have version of qi.img only with this diff.
Sep 05 09:22:56 <ran000> I have test this 2 byte differenses version as well. It work ok.
Sep 05 09:23:14 <ran000> What you have changes in addition??
Sep 05 09:26:44 <Serdar1> ran000_, you mean the new one?
Sep 05 09:27:12 <Serdar1> gnustavo, what can't you follow? Tell your problem and we can look if we can help
Sep 05 09:29:36 <Gabrys> Serdar1: I think gnustavo says it's hard to follow the development of a-o-f
Sep 05 09:30:03 <Gabrys> Serdar1: there are news, wiki, mail list, dailies, each stuff in different place and mostly outdated
Sep 05 09:30:11 <gnustavo> i'm not a programmer, i can't help in development
Sep 05 09:31:20 <Serdar1> Gabrys, mailing list, wiki and weeklies are in the same place
Sep 05 09:31:32 <gnustavo> i have 1,5 neofreerunner, one that works ok with android, and other with a broken screen and wifi problems
Sep 05 09:31:45 <Serdar1> only my dailies aren't because they are experimental
Sep 05 09:32:32 <Serdar1> and the code because we use git and google didn't support git
Sep 05 09:32:54 <gnustavo> but the wiki is old-dated, no?
Sep 05 09:33:20 <Gabrys> Serdar1: can't find the maillist though
Sep 05 09:33:56 <Gabrys> on the googlecode (if this was the place you were talking about)
Sep 05 09:33:56 <larlin> Gabrys, the mailing list is linked to on the front page of the project site
Sep 05 09:34:02 <Serdar1> http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner
Sep 05 09:34:10 <Serdar1> it is linked there
Sep 05 09:34:18 <Serdar1> google named it groups
Sep 05 09:34:25 <Gabrys> ah, as group
Sep 05 09:34:25 <Gabrys> o
Sep 05 09:34:26 <Gabrys> k
Sep 05 09:34:54 <Serdar1> what's with FOSDEM11?
Sep 05 09:35:03 <gnustavo> i need a googleacount for this group?
Sep 05 09:35:13 <Serdar1> I am thinking to organize a devroom for all of us again
Sep 05 09:35:31 <Gabrys> still from the project page it seems there is no development since April
Sep 05 09:35:48 <Gabrys> and no working non-cupcake version
Sep 05 09:37:31 <larlin> Gabrys, there is some work but not a whole lot and none has botterd to update the front page, som discussions are going on in the bug tracker. The wiki is updated when something that is wrong is found...
Sep 05 09:38:32 <Gabrys> I understand, I just bitch at non-encouraging wiki
Sep 05 09:38:45 <Gabrys> it seems the development is done in secret :-)
Sep 05 09:39:40 <larlin> Gabrys, no so much in secret (most things is discussed on the maillist) but that there is none that has the time/energy to update the wiki all the time...
Sep 05 09:41:13 <Gabrys> larlin: I would emphasize the maillist/group more then
Sep 05 09:41:31 <Gabrys> a huge link to it on the front-page, so that people know where to look for some life
Sep 05 09:42:34 <Gabrys> like "most development is discussed on the publicly available MAIL LIST"
Sep 05 09:42:40 <Gabrys> on the very top of the page
Sep 05 09:42:49 <Gabrys> with MAIL LIST linking to the google group
Sep 05 09:44:28 <larlin> maybe but the link is there on the first page so people that are intrested should be able to find it
Sep 05 09:45:11 <Gabrys> larlin: It's just not clear where to look for news
Sep 05 09:45:29 <Gabrys> and this is mostly what you come to the project page for
Sep 05 09:45:39 <Gabrys> news/downloads/issues
Sep 05 09:46:04 <Gabrys> news is linked somewhere in the right pane as "group" along with other non-important links
Sep 05 09:46:18 <larlin> Gabrys, but there is no "news" anywhere, there are discussions, we don't have anyone working with collecting information and presenting it as "news"
Sep 05 09:46:44 <Gabrys> and as you don't have someone to make discussions into news, discussion IS news
Sep 05 09:47:16 <Gabrys> it's what happening in the project
Sep 05 09:49:15 <larlin> but it is not the same as what could be posted on the "news" section on the project page
Sep 05 09:49:28 <larlin> what links to the right is non-important?
Sep 05 09:50:38 <Gabrys> the only important links (for the newcommer) on the whole project page is "where I find news/updates", "where I can download" and "where I can report a bug"
Sep 05 09:51:04 <Gabrys> blogs section is not important, because the blog is outdated and repeated in the NEWS
Sep 05 09:51:13 <Gabrys> repo is important only if you want to develop
Sep 05 09:51:31 <Gabrys> feeds are not important as you don't update the project
Sep 05 09:52:17 <larlin> Gabrys, there you are wrong, the feeds contains bug updates and wikiupdates that are done regularly
Sep 05 09:52:45 <Gabrys> I'm talking about newcommers, sure they are important for project developers
Sep 05 09:52:54 <Gabrys> but not really for project users
Sep 05 09:53:00 <larlin> that is the way I stay in touch with the procject, the emailist and I read the updates feed to see what bug issues and wiki updates there are
Sep 05 09:53:26 <Gabrys> so keep the right hand menu for developers
Sep 05 09:53:37 <Gabrys> and add a link to maillist on the front :-)
Sep 05 09:53:57 <Gabrys> so regular guys can see there's some activity in the project :-)
Sep 05 09:54:53 <larlin> Gabrys, well most of the activety on email list is developer related and could thus be classed as for "developers" only. But sure could add even more information in two places
Sep 05 09:55:37 <Gabrys> larlin: it's not really about what "they" talk about, but about "there's some activity, the project is alive"
Sep 05 09:56:00 <Gabrys> and if someone's interested they can browse the group for "news"
Sep 05 09:57:14 <gnustavo> after two/three mounts i can put android on neo, but now i'm not sure to help a newcommer to install again...
Sep 05 09:59:14 <larlin> Gabrys, now I have updated the frist text with info about emailgroup
Sep 05 10:00:04 <larlin> gnustavo, if you have any ideas about changes to the wiki to make it easier to install please bring it up in the tracker or on the emaillist
Sep 05 10:02:17 <gnustavo> larlin, ok. for a moment i thoud that the project was abandoned
Sep 05 10:02:56 <gnustavo> *thought
Sep 05 10:03:09 <larlin> well I can't say that there is a huge amount of work going on but there are some and lately it seems to have picked up a bit
Sep 05 10:06:53 <gnustavo> glad to read :)
Sep 05 10:36:16 <Gabrys> larlin: it makes much sense :-)
Sep 05 10:36:20 <Gabrys> thank you
Sep 05 10:36:41 <larlin> no problem
Sep 05 10:54:12 <sanvy> ciao all
Sep 05 11:08:36 <sanvy> lol Serdar1
Sep 05 11:34:43 <liori> hello, i only wanted to say that I also thought the project was abandoned (mostly after seeing last "weekly" from april)
Sep 05 11:38:27 <Serdar2> but my last daily is from 26th august
Sep 05 11:38:56 <Serdar2> and I told in the mailing list, that I stop the weeklies because we want a stable cupcake release
Sep 05 11:47:59 <liori> I guess my problem would be solved by simple message on the download page: "Weekly releases of cupcake abandoned due to work on XXX. Please check http://YYY for experimental builds."
Sep 05 11:48:25 <liori> is it possible in google code?
Sep 05 11:50:00 <Serdar2> no idea, I don't have access
Sep 05 12:03:57 <fntc> Serdar: did you make any changes to the installer to generate the dailies? I built the installer but the kernel does not load its initramfs (it is built in, size grows if i add an 1mb images etc)
Sep 05 12:44:15 <sanvy_lunch> hey, do you want a very both ridicolous and terrible story?
Sep 05 12:44:16 <sanvy_lunch> xD
Sep 05 12:44:36 <sanvy_lunch> my freerunner works with dfu ONLY for rootfs -.-"
Sep 05 12:51:02 <Serdar2> fntc, what are you trying?
Sep 05 12:51:27 <fntc> wanted to add a little logic to the installers init script
Sep 05 12:51:55 <fntc> but neither without nor with my changes the kernel unpacks/loads its init scripts
Sep 05 12:52:44 <fntc> if userdata.img>10240 then flash userdata.img else create empty partition
Sep 05 12:52:54 <fntc> so i could install a backup easily
Sep 05 12:53:30 <sanvy> fntc, are you working for updating process?
Sep 05 12:54:49 <fntc> backup is easy: dd if=/dev/mtd/mtd7ro of=/sdcard/userdata.img bs=4096
Sep 05 13:02:25 <Serdar2> can we talk later, need to go to zoo now
Sep 05 13:03:41 <sanvy> fntc, where you run dd for backup?
Sep 05 13:06:51 <sanvy> mm
Sep 05 13:07:03 <sanvy> i backupped my rootfs in a jffs2 image
Sep 05 13:07:12 <sanvy> but i miss a lot of files
Sep 05 13:07:17 <sanvy> it's normal?
Sep 05 13:07:23 <sanvy> is it normal*?
Sep 05 13:15:36 <sanvy> how can i make full backup of flash?
Sep 05 13:17:19 <fntc> you could use dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U rootfs.img - however my dfu fails finishing this
Sep 05 13:18:59 <sanvy> fntc,
Sep 05 13:19:02 <sanvy> thanks
Sep 05 13:19:10 <sanvy> but it doesn't contains all my files
Sep 05 13:19:18 <sanvy> for example, it miss all /system dir
Sep 05 13:19:23 <sanvy> an also my personal data
Sep 05 13:19:24 <sanvy> :|
Sep 05 13:20:11 <fntc> if i can fix my init problem i can build a backup sd bootable
Sep 05 13:20:48 <sanvy> fntc, ok, but what for my backup? xD
Sep 05 13:21:25 <sanvy> i need it if i want to test other releases
Sep 05 13:21:45 <sanvy> because if they doesn't work, i can reflash my android with all my mods
Sep 05 13:23:19 <sanvy> also, since i have installed android, dfu can access only to rootfs flash partition. i can't access to kernel, splash, uboot partition >:(
Sep 05 13:26:15 <ran000> fntc, try SD-based version of A0F
Sep 05 13:27:02 <sanvy> hi ran000
Sep 05 13:27:09 <sanvy> ran000, can I disturb you a bit?
Sep 05 13:27:39 <ran000> Please, but my line is very bad. Do not dummy
Sep 05 13:28:28 <ran000> Do have a NOR menu, when you try to flash any img?
Sep 05 13:29:05 <sanvy> yes
Sep 05 13:29:16 <sanvy> but now i have another problem: backupping
Sep 05 13:29:17 <sanvy> :P
Sep 05 13:29:32 <sanvy> i backupped my rootfs succesfuly
Sep 05 13:29:41 <sanvy> but it miss a lot of files
Sep 05 13:29:52 <sanvy> for example, init.rc, /system/, /dev...
Sep 05 13:29:58 <sanvy> is it right?
Sep 05 13:30:03 <sanvy> (backupping android cupcake)
Sep 05 13:31:14 <sanvy> :(
Sep 05 13:32:11 <sanvy> also, dfu don't allow me to read nor write flash partitions (kernel, uboot, splash) except for rootfs, since i have installed android :|
Sep 05 13:32:35 <ran000> If you use dfu-util it is correct for /system /dev init.rc
Sep 05 13:34:01 <ran000> But I could not undersend, why you dfu could not work with u-boot,kernel
Sep 05 13:34:58 <sanvy> me too, but i assure that it is frightening
Sep 05 13:35:09 <sanvy> <ran000> If you use dfu-util it is correct for /system /dev init.rc
Sep 05 13:35:19 <sanvy> so, if i reflash the same rootfs it could boot?
Sep 05 13:35:36 <sanvy> or i need to backup some other thing?
Sep 05 13:36:57 <ran000_> if we talking about AoF, that rootfs is only /system internals.
Sep 05 13:37:51 <sanvy> mm
Sep 05 13:38:04 <sanvy> so, how can i do a full reflashable backup?
Sep 05 13:39:21 <ran000> I does not know.  It is one of reason I use SDbased system.
Sep 05 13:39:35 <sanvy> oh
Sep 05 13:39:44 <sanvy> uff
Sep 05 13:39:54 <sanvy> and what about dfu problem?
Sep 05 13:40:02 <sanvy> before you are talking about nor...
Sep 05 13:40:12 <sanvy> were*
Sep 05 13:40:56 <ran000> What screen you get after pressing AUS-POWER?
Sep 05 13:41:17 <sanvy> boot menu nor
Sep 05 13:41:24 <sanvy> with the openmoko colored-logo
Sep 05 13:43:55 <ran000> which version on top?
Sep 05 13:44:16 <sanvy> 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008
Sep 05 13:44:21 <sanvy> the original one
Sep 05 13:44:31 <sanvy> i haven't a debug board
Sep 05 13:45:05 <ran000> It looks ok. Which version of dfu-util you use?
Sep 05 13:45:28 <sanvy> ehm
Sep 05 13:45:46 <sanvy> dfu-util -V
Sep 05 13:45:46 <sanvy> dfu-util - (C) 2007-2008 by OpenMoko Inc.
Sep 05 13:45:49 <sanvy> by ubuntu repo
Sep 05 13:46:58 <ran000> bottom line of dfu-util -V: dfu-util version 0.1+svn
Sep 05 13:47:11 <sanvy> oh yes sorry
Sep 05 13:47:11 <sanvy> wait
Sep 05 13:47:30 <sanvy> dfu-util version 0.1+svn
Sep 05 13:47:31 <sanvy> so...
Sep 05 13:47:42 <sanvy> maybe i'll be The Dummy of the year
Sep 05 13:47:56 <sanvy> but... i tried the dfu binary on openmoko's wiki
Sep 05 13:48:00 <ran000> I have not more idea..
Sep 05 13:48:01 <sanvy> and it works XD
Sep 05 13:48:16 <sanvy> so according to me is the ubuntu repo version that is bugged
Sep 05 13:49:43 <sanvy> so thanks ran000
Sep 05 13:49:48 <sanvy> now it works
Sep 05 13:50:12 <ran000> Surprise!!!
Sep 05 13:50:59 <sanvy> lol
Sep 05 13:51:04 <sanvy_dummy> xD
Sep 05 13:51:49 <sanvy> well... i'll try to backup all flash partitions
Sep 05 13:53:08 <sanvy> :P i flashed the patched qi succesfuly
Sep 05 13:53:33 <ran000> Good lack..
Sep 05 13:54:02 <sanvy> thanks ran000
Sep 05 13:54:21 <sanvy> well it's time to study
Sep 05 13:54:23 <sanvy> see you later
Sep 05 13:54:28 <sanvy> and thanks for the time :)
Sep 05 13:54:32 <ran000> Bye
Sep 05 13:54:35 <sanvy> bye
Sep 05 16:28:14 <sanvy_study> i'm back
Sep 05 18:57:09 <fntc> Serdar: i fixed my problem with the installer - busybox isn't built
Sep 05 19:16:44 <Serdar1> fntc, how did you build busybox?
Sep 05 19:23:58 <fntc> yes
Sep 05 19:24:16 <Serdar1> but how? can you tell the diff? I tried it too but failed
Sep 05 19:24:23 <fntc> hat to fix the config so it statically linked
Sep 05 19:24:38 <Serdar1> if you were able to build it, then we can change our old installer
Sep 05 19:24:45 <fntc> built it manually from the folder
Sep 05 19:24:50 <Serdar1> to use a new one
Sep 05 19:24:53 <fntc> i'll write a makefile for it
Sep 05 19:24:59 <Serdar1> I did too
Sep 05 19:25:02 <Serdar1> but didn't work
Sep 05 20:24:06 <Serdar2> hi jancona_
Sep 05 20:24:32 <Serdar2> fntc, can you add en issue and post your diff of the installer?
Sep 05 20:29:58 <fntc> sure, will do it tomorrow i gues
Sep 05 20:46:01 <Serdar2> thanks
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