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Nov 16 03:03:10 <fwaokda> guess i'll just leave the sound up to be safe
Nov 16 03:03:29 <AakashPatel> http://www.motorola.com/consumers/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2cc1a7758ff74210VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&vgnextchannel=12ae694e826cd110VgnVCM1000008806b00aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default
Nov 16 03:03:30 <zinx> *shrug*, the alarm's always worked for me
Nov 16 03:03:40 <zinx> when the phone was on silent
Nov 16 03:04:48 <xsacha> you should be lucky your phone has sound!
Nov 16 03:07:34 <Angos_> hi
Nov 16 03:09:14 <Angos_> could anyone help me with a rather agrivating problem I am having with eclipse
Nov 16 03:09:33 <pfn> zinx, alarm volume seems to be tied to ringer volume for me
Nov 16 03:09:36 <pfn> at least on droid eris
Nov 16 03:09:39 <pfn> haven't tried on my droid
Nov 16 03:10:23 <zinx> you sure?
Nov 16 03:10:28 <zinx> there's definitely a different one here
Nov 16 03:11:04 <zinx> go to the screen to select an alarm 'ringtone', and press volume up / volume down
Nov 16 03:11:32 <zinx> says 'Alarm Volume' here (also, the Volume Control app has it separate :P )
Nov 16 03:11:55 <Leeds> Angos_: if it's a development question, it should probably go in #android-dev - and you don't need to ask if anyone can help before asking for help
Nov 16 03:12:07 <pfn> zinx, yeah, droid eris seems to be different
Nov 16 03:12:21 <zinx> pfn: sounds like some serious HTC bullshit
Nov 16 03:12:30 * zinx avoids HTC's firmwares
Nov 16 03:12:44 <jeev> the f117 verizon droid commercial is pathetic, i can't believe verizon spends time marketing stupid shit when it could have similar iphone commercials
Nov 16 03:13:46 <pfn> zinx, hmm, there does seem to be a separate alarm volume setting, but for some reason sound doesn't trigger (on the eris)
Nov 16 03:14:02 <pfn> jeev, I agree, the vzw marketing sucks at spelling out what droid is or *does*
Nov 16 03:14:12 <pfn> despite the marketing campaign being "droid does"
Nov 16 03:14:52 <pfn> and you know, there's no droid billboards anywhere
Nov 16 03:14:57 <zinx> pfn: modern marketing isn't about telling you what the product is/does, it's about making you want to buy it even though you have no clue what it is/does
Nov 16 03:15:04 <pfn> but here on 880, still see billboards for blackberry storm on vzw, heh
Nov 16 03:15:14 <jeev> stupid
Nov 16 03:15:16 <pfn> zinx, not quite, the idea is to get you to remember the brand
Nov 16 03:15:34 <pfn> but once the brand is known, gotta build on the product
Nov 16 03:16:34 <jeev> zinx, that's wrong
Nov 16 03:16:39 <Angos_> VZW is more interested in building the idea of driod, like the idea of the iphone
Nov 16 03:16:40 <jeev> verizon did a terrible job at marketing the droid.
Nov 16 03:16:55 <xsacha> meanwhile in japan.. 12 megapixel camera, bluetooth detachable keyboard, slottable pico projector (40")
Nov 16 03:16:56 <jeev> you can't build a product when you're trying to beat the iphone, you CANT do it without showing what it can do
Nov 16 03:17:46 <Angos_> they want people into stores to have sales people show them what it can do... and its working
Nov 16 03:17:46 <zinx> i didn't say the method was effective
Nov 16 03:18:03 <xsacha> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/fujitsus-splitting-f-04b-cellphone-gets-tested-found-to-contai/
Nov 16 03:20:10 <incwolf> anyone willing to test an app for me?
Nov 16 03:20:46 <crazyspai> incwolf: What does it do and what are possible side effects?
Nov 16 03:21:12 <crazyspai> Protip: Never transfer music straight from iPod mini to the HTC ERIS. Takes FOREVER.
Nov 16 03:21:15 <incwolf> crazy: it uses TTS .. no side effects that i know of.  it's called ENGLISH, in the market
Nov 16 03:21:18 <incwolf> it's free
Nov 16 03:21:37 <crazyspai> incwolf: Hm... I would need to uninstall my current TTS correct?
Nov 16 03:21:57 <incwolf> no
Nov 16 03:22:35 <crazyspai> US Market correct?
Nov 16 03:22:43 <incwolf> yeah
Nov 16 03:22:49 <crazyspai> After my music is finished transfering, I'll grab it and test it out.
Nov 16 03:22:58 <crazyspai> I was looking for a new TTS anyway for my clock.
Nov 16 03:23:43 <Leeds> incwolf: qubinox?
Nov 16 03:23:53 <incwolf> leeds: yeah
Nov 16 03:24:02 <incwolf> someone left a comment that it force closed, but i'm not having any problems with it
Nov 16 03:24:18 <crazyspai> Evening Leeds
Nov 16 03:24:19 <Leeds> does it matter that I already speak English as a native language? :)
Nov 16 03:24:25 <Leeds> morning crazyspai
Nov 16 03:24:31 <incwolf> leeds: that'll help if anything
Nov 16 03:24:45 <crazyspai> Leeds: Country?
Nov 16 03:25:37 <Leeds> incwolf: seems to work here
Nov 16 03:26:10 <Leeds> it's a 32A Magic running Cyanogen 2.4.2, for the record
Nov 16 03:26:10 <incwolf> leeds: well that's good news
Nov 16 03:26:32 <crazyspai> incwolf: I'll check it out in a bit. I'm 140/211
Nov 16 03:31:29 <pfn> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1257
Nov 16 03:31:32 <pfn> booo, no ical support
Nov 16 03:32:44 <RyeBrye> Well, it's not just iCal support... its iCalendar support
Nov 16 03:32:51 <RyeBrye> iCalendar > iCal
Nov 16 03:32:52 <pfn> icalendar/ics
Nov 16 03:32:54 <pfn> I'm too lazy to type
Nov 16 03:32:58 <pfn> so I just say ical
Nov 16 03:33:08 <pfn> yes, icalendar is the name of the format, and ical is the name of a calendar app on mac
Nov 16 03:33:10 <crazyspai> Google Apps FTW.
Nov 16 03:33:21 <crazyspai> All web interfaces :)
Nov 16 03:33:55 <RyeBrye> Lets just say RFC 5545 for short :P
Nov 16 03:34:06 * pfn wants ics support
Nov 16 03:34:10 <pfn> because I don't really use gmail
Nov 16 03:34:31 <pfn> I use a different web-based interface for email
Nov 16 03:35:03 <crazyspai> pfn: You use.. Android but don't primarily use gmail?
Nov 16 03:35:13 <pfn> of course
Nov 16 03:35:31 <pfn> for email, I primarily use exchange/activesync and imap
Nov 16 03:35:57 <pfn> contacts also come from exchange
Nov 16 03:36:01 <pfn> and nowadays, facebook
Nov 16 03:36:14 <pfn> I have a minimal set of 3 contacts in gmail because that's the only place to set it
Nov 16 03:36:22 <pfn> it'd be nice if I could somehow sync my ldap address book with gmail
Nov 16 03:36:28 <crazyspai> Ah. I didn't think there was a support for any other.
Nov 16 03:36:42 <pfn> there's full support for everything but gmail as wel
Nov 16 03:36:50 <pfn> and I'd like to find the same in ics
Nov 16 03:37:07 <pfn> they managed to get activesync setup for calendar... how hard can it be to do other things
Nov 16 03:39:48 <Leeds> they sent a man to the moon, why can't they make a phone last more than 1 day on battery???
Nov 16 03:40:37 <the_alien> because your phone has more computing power then the lunar lander ;)
Nov 16 03:40:40 <RyeBrye> s/day/8-hour-period/
Nov 16 03:40:42 <AakashPatel> Leeds, mine doesnt last over half a day
Nov 16 03:41:05 <Leeds> "<pfn> they managed to get activesync setup for calendar... how hard can it be to do other "
Nov 16 03:41:41 <crazyspai> Mine lasts about 13-16 hours.
Nov 16 03:42:15 <AakashPatel> crankyadmin, g1?
Nov 16 03:42:21 <AakashPatel> erm
Nov 16 03:42:30 <AakashPatel> crazyspai, *
Nov 16 03:42:58 <RyeBrye> crazyspai: turning it off for half of that period is considered cheating ;)
Nov 16 03:43:09 <AakashPatel> lol
Nov 16 03:43:20 <crazyspai> AakashPatel: Nope, I don't turn it off. It's a HTC ERIS.
Nov 16 03:43:36 <crazyspai> Wifi is usually enabled but GPS is off most of the time.
Nov 16 03:43:44 <crazyspai> It is only plugged in when it is fully dead.
Nov 16 03:44:02 <pfn> don't play with the phone all the time
Nov 16 03:44:04 <pfn> and it'll last a few days
Nov 16 03:44:27 <crazyspai> pfn: Try telling a 16 year old geek that. Especially when they have had it for less than a week
Nov 16 03:44:47 <AakashPatel> Oh
Nov 16 03:44:49 <AakashPatel> Eris
Nov 16 03:44:52 <AakashPatel> Ill trade you
Nov 16 03:45:07 <AakashPatel> pfn, try telling an 15 year old on taht ;)
Nov 16 03:45:21 <crazyspai> If my calculations are correct... at 88mph we're gonna see some crazy shit. Anyway, If my math is right, if I only use it for the IM and the occasional email reading I can have it last for 3 days
Nov 16 03:45:40 <crazyspai> AakashPatel: I beat you bye a year XD
Nov 16 03:45:43 <AakashPatel> Hah
Nov 16 03:45:44 <crazyspai> by*
Nov 16 03:46:23 * TravisB is seventeen
Nov 16 03:46:25 <TravisB> Do I count?
Nov 16 03:46:35 <pfn> in that case, they should learn to charge their phone every night
Nov 16 03:46:36 <AakashPatel> Nope
Nov 16 03:46:45 <pfn> and ifyou're 15 or 16, you shouldn't be playing with the phone all day anyway
Nov 16 03:46:49 <pfn> unless it's saturday or sunday
Nov 16 03:46:55 <pfn> you should be *IN SCHOOL*
Nov 16 03:47:14 <AakashPatel> pfn, i do anyway
Nov 16 03:47:15 <AakashPatel> lol
Nov 16 03:47:18 <crazyspai> pfn: I work for my school. I have 2 classes a day and 2 work periods. I'm the IT department of my school.
Nov 16 03:47:45 <AakashPatel> crazyspai, where do you go to school?
Nov 16 03:47:55 <pfn> and in any case, it's not hard to keep your phone plugged in if you're at "work"
Nov 16 03:48:37 * pfn ordered 3 or 4 microusb cables from monoprice for $1/ea
Nov 16 03:48:54 <AakashPatel> o.o
Nov 16 03:48:58 <AakashPatel> from whwere
Nov 16 03:49:18 <pfn> I said where
Nov 16 03:49:20 <AakashPatel> Amazon has HDMI cables for 1cent lol
Nov 16 03:49:22 <AakashPatel> oh ha
Nov 16 03:49:25 <AakashPatel> guess i cant read
Nov 16 03:50:59 <Leeds> I've got a decent external battery, which I take with me if I'm going away for a weekend or something... dealxtreme have a similar thing with a solar panel on it, so it should be able to go a lot longer without a mains charge
Nov 16 03:51:23 <crazyspai> AakashPatel: In Florida
Nov 16 03:51:31 <AakashPatel> Ah, and you're in uni?
Nov 16 03:51:36 <crazyspai> Uni?
Nov 16 03:51:36 <AakashPatel> how so?
Nov 16 03:51:40 <AakashPatel> university
Nov 16 03:51:46 <crazyspai> Nope, highschool.
Nov 16 03:51:53 <AakashPatel> lolwut, you work for you HS's IT dep?
Nov 16 03:51:59 <crazyspai> I am my HS's IT
Nov 16 03:52:11 <AakashPatel> Haha wth
Nov 16 03:52:22 <AakashPatel> 2 classes a day?
Nov 16 03:52:27 <AakashPatel> What the hell do you learn?
Nov 16 03:54:13 <crazyspai> I have 4 classes total.
Nov 16 03:54:21 <crazyspai> APStat, APUSH, AP Physics, APLang
Nov 16 03:54:28 <AakashPatel> Ah
Nov 16 03:54:34 <AakashPatel> I'm going to Uni next year
Nov 16 03:54:36 <crazyspai> We have a block schedule.
Nov 16 03:54:41 <AakashPatel> ew i hate those
Nov 16 03:54:43 <crazyspai> I still have another year till college
Nov 16 03:55:16 <AakashPatel> Ouchhhh
Nov 16 03:55:24 <AakashPatel> (well, unless you like your HS)
Nov 16 03:55:36 <crazyspai> Dude, I get paid to go to school ofc I like it
Nov 16 03:55:40 * AakashPatel can't wait to leave his lol
Nov 16 03:55:42 <AakashPatel> hahaha
Nov 16 03:55:58 <AakashPatel> did you apply or something?
Nov 16 03:56:09 <AakashPatel> or were they like OMG WE WANT YOU
Nov 16 03:59:58 <crazyspai> It was a "work for us or you won't see a computer ever again"
Nov 16 04:00:26 <Dingoo> I do K12 IT.  I hate you jerks :P
Nov 16 04:00:29 <crazyspai> I'm gonna hit the sack. I gotta get up earlier than usual tomorrow.
Nov 16 04:00:36 <crazyspai> I do 9-12 IT :)
Nov 16 04:00:43 <crazyspai> Where the 9-12 don't have PC's
Nov 16 04:00:57 <Dingoo> i think we have more PCs than students
Nov 16 04:01:10 <evil_andy> are there any apps for the droid that will play xvid files?
Nov 16 04:03:02 <Leeds> evil_andy: I doubt it - pretty much all android media apps use the built-in codec and container stuff, and that doesn't support xvid or avi
Nov 16 04:03:29 <evil_andy> Ahh. what IS the 'correct' app for playing videos?
Nov 16 04:03:44 <evil_andy> (is there a built-in one? I couldn't find one)
Nov 16 04:04:57 <Leeds> videos show up in the Gallery, and you can play them from there
Nov 16 04:07:02 <evil_andy> Ahh, ok. I guess I just haven't put them in the right place on the sd card
Nov 16 04:21:39 <skyjumper> does does cyrket work for anyone else?
Nov 16 04:21:53 <skyjumper> just displays a blank page for me, been that way for weeks at lesat
Nov 16 04:21:55 <skyjumper> least
Nov 16 04:23:03 <Caleb> skyjumper: i think its down
Nov 16 04:23:41 <skyjumper> ah
Nov 16 04:23:43 <spikebike> yeah
Nov 16 04:23:49 <spikebike> use androidlib instead
Nov 16 04:24:40 <pfn> androlib
Nov 16 04:26:53 <kroot> jbq: Let's see if I can actually complete a repo sync :-)
Nov 16 04:26:56 <xsacha> is anyone here able to d/l android source?
Nov 16 04:27:42 <jbq> Looks like kernel.org is unhappy. It was happy until I got master running on ADP1 (I worked on it a good part of the day)
Nov 16 04:27:49 <xsacha> i only get to 5% on US server, i finished one package on EU server
Nov 16 04:28:28 * kroot idles to tuck kids in and then will come back and rebase
Nov 16 04:28:52 <xsacha> wouldnt it be better if it served a few people at a time and let them finish instead of getting everyone to 5% and forcing them to start again?
Nov 16 04:30:50 <poningru> :`)
Nov 16 04:30:52 <jbq> Well, the problem is that it's got a hard time dealing with people creating hundreds of connections.
Nov 16 04:30:59 * poningru hugs jbq 
Nov 16 04:31:03 <poningru> you
Nov 16 04:31:05 <poningru> are
Nov 16 04:31:06 <poningru> awesome
Nov 16 04:31:18 <jbq> (and repo has a hard time dealing with the server not responding as well as it should)
Nov 16 04:31:26 <jbq> poningru: hey, thank you :)
Nov 16 04:32:02 <xsacha> ./connect android.git.kernel.org 10000
Nov 16 04:32:49 <xsacha> well im just gonna stick 'repo sync' in an infinite loop, cya
Nov 16 04:33:18 <jbq> It'd be better to try to sync the projects one by one, each in its loop.
Nov 16 04:37:00 <poningru> I went offline for like two days AND BAM
Nov 16 04:37:03 <poningru> source is out
Nov 16 04:37:13 <sacha3> jbq: how do i do that? repo sync platform/development just says fetching projects done
Nov 16 04:40:12 <jbq> sacha3: I've never quite done that - I'd probably start with "repo manifest -o", and for each project, try a couple of times to sync that project.
Nov 16 04:41:24 <sacha3> the -o does what?
Nov 16 04:41:34 <sacha3> xml file?
Nov 16 04:42:20 <sacha3> yeah well when i sync a project, it does nothing. just says fetched, done
Nov 16 04:43:36 <sacha3> sacha$ repo sync platform/bootable/bootloader/legacy   Fetching projects: 100% (2/2), done.
Nov 16 04:52:36 <NuckChorris> hello... are there any risks to putting a custom ROM on the HTC Hero?
Nov 16 04:52:48 <NuckChorris> im new to android... a complete noob :D
Nov 16 04:54:57 <NuckChorris> anyone?
Nov 16 05:44:45 <Gordz32A> toot toot
Nov 16 05:45:00 <Gordz32A> need a fun new app... whats good
Nov 16 05:45:45 <Gordz32A> ..........YOU CAN'T ALL BE AMERICAN
Nov 16 05:52:57 <jmod> hi guys
Nov 16 05:53:15 <jmod> :)
Nov 16 05:56:52 <Gordz32A> allo allo
Nov 16 05:58:02 <mytharak> Allo Gordz
Nov 16 05:58:09 <mytharak> got beers?
Nov 16 05:58:20 <Gordz32A> nah got canadian club tonight
Nov 16 05:58:26 <Gordz32A> and it is 5 pm... i am OUT OF HERE
Nov 16 06:15:35 <[mbm]> hmm can the droid be used as a fax modem?
Nov 16 06:20:17 <spikebike> mbm wow, what a wierd thing to do with a cell phone
Nov 16 06:20:55 <spikebike> unless you mean connect to  a service that can send a fax I believe the answer is now
Nov 16 06:20:58 <spikebike> no
Nov 16 06:22:07 <[mbm]> spikebike: really? every other phone you connect the data cable and it shows up as a modem
Nov 16 06:22:27 <[mbm]> surprised there isn't a setting to do so on the droid
Nov 16 06:23:26 <spikebike> data cable -> modem is pretty old school
Nov 16 06:23:43 <spikebike> don't think you can do that with the iphone, g1, magic, palm pre, etc.
Nov 16 06:23:54 <[mbm]> yeah, as are faxes .. wasn't my choice to send a fax in the first place, now I'm scrambling to see if I have anything that can still do it
Nov 16 06:24:33 <spikebike> I've not heard of it, and you'd either need special support from the carrier, or programatic control of basically a sound card connected to the voice side of the cellular chip
Nov 16 06:24:38 <spikebike> which is i believe impossible
Nov 16 06:24:49 <[mbm]> hmm yay.
Nov 16 06:25:06 <spikebike> old nextel/sprint phones could do it
Nov 16 06:25:26 <[mbm]> yeah my razr could do it but is nolonger activated
Nov 16 06:29:57 <spikebike> I suspect some website would setup a outgoing fax service for ya cheap
Nov 16 06:30:59 <[mbm]> yeah, seems there's a skype plugin for it
Nov 16 06:35:40 <mytharak> does anyone know if the Droid uses ALSA in the audio stack?
Nov 16 06:35:50 <mytharak> I'm assuming so, but I have no way to know for sure
Nov 16 06:38:13 <mytharak> and I'm too lazy to dig through the AOSP code just yet
Nov 16 07:23:05 <jeev> hi
Nov 16 07:44:59 <Leeds> hmm... apparently the new Samsung Android phone - a mini-Galaxy - has divx support
Nov 16 07:46:30 <DarkriftX> bout damned time
Nov 16 08:01:09 <herriojr_> hey, so building Android isn't supported building in OS X 10.6, but has anyone managed to get android to build in 10.6?
Nov 16 08:26:22 <TMinus36> sd
Nov 16 08:26:28 <TMinus36> oops :D
Nov 16 08:36:26 <n00bruter> hey folks
Nov 16 08:36:47 <Cptnodegard> does anyone here have an archos 5a?
Nov 16 08:37:48 <n00bruter> posted this in androidforums with no luck; figured I'd ask here too, since you people are smarter then me:) (pardon the C&P) So, I'm not going to lie: this is my first attempt at doing *anything* to my G1. I'm using it more or less as a practice env. before I do anything to my MT3G.  that being said.. I'm trying to root my phone, and install a mod.  I'm failing harder then a kid licking walls.. anyone feel like helpin
Nov 16 08:37:50 <n00bruter> g?
Nov 16 08:39:06 <Leeds> n00bruter: you need to be asking in #android-root, as the topic of this channel tells you
Nov 16 08:39:31 <n00bruter> oh that's clever... sorry, tired..
Nov 16 08:39:35 * n00bruter leaves in shame.
Nov 16 08:40:07 <n00bruter> ty
Nov 16 08:47:51 <nelson8403__> have any of you guys tried droid explorer?
Nov 16 08:48:32 <nelson8403__> http://de.codeplex.com/
Nov 16 09:29:41 <inivex> anyone on here do android programming on a 64bit linux host?
Nov 16 09:51:20 <Knightingale> Hey guys. I have a really simple problem and can't find a simple way to solve it. I want 2 views lined up horisontally, the right-most to wrap_content on the width and left-most to fill the rest of the parent. Has to be some way to do this?
Nov 16 09:51:32 <Leeds> Knightingale: -> #android-dev
Nov 16 09:51:55 <Knightingale> d'oh i joined wrong channel
Nov 16 10:07:19 <droid001> hmm, looks like eclair jumps over the wall?  * [new branch]      eclair     -> korg/eclair
Nov 16 10:07:19 <droid001> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Nov 16 11:01:49 <jtz> fail
Nov 16 11:19:07 <lamusic> what is the donut-plus-aosp branche ? is avaible for a good build ?
Nov 16 11:19:29 <lamusic> what branche i must be using for the last avaible code for donut for sapphire please ?
Nov 16 11:48:08 <ansu> hii all, i havent started into android. I have an e63, is it possible to replace the symbian with android in my e63
Nov 16 12:02:43 <bala> anybody there
Nov 16 12:02:48 <EugeneKay> Nope.
Nov 16 12:03:14 <bala> hi i want to build one simple chat application in android
Nov 16 12:03:34 <EugeneKay> #android-dev
Nov 16 12:03:35 <bala> anybody have ideas or source where i can get ideas
Nov 16 12:10:47 <EugeneKay> ansu - no
Nov 16 12:11:10 <EugeneKay> Not without a *lot* of low-level hardware hacking, anyway
Nov 16 12:16:38 <EugeneKay> :-D
Nov 16 12:16:49 <EugeneKay> I love the smell of a k-line in the morning
Nov 16 12:17:24 <hurrrr> DCC SEND hahahahhahahahahahaha:#asdasdasdasdasdas 0 0 0#
Nov 16 12:18:04 <EugeneKay> Amazing that still works
Nov 16 12:25:58 <Dialekt> hi
Nov 16 12:54:06 <Besitzer> hi
Nov 16 12:54:48 <choxblog> hi
Nov 16 12:54:56 <Besitzer> are the google apps includet in the newest cyanogen? (maps, youtube,market,navigation)?
Nov 16 12:55:15 <Eldrek> No, afaik
Nov 16 12:56:02 <Besitzer> how can i get them?
Nov 16 12:56:21 <EugeneKay> Follow the guide on cyanogen's wiki
Nov 16 12:56:26 <EugeneKay> And visit #cyanogenmod
Nov 16 12:56:32 <Besitzer> i cant find the guide
Nov 16 12:56:44 <EugeneKay> http://www.lmgtfy.com
Nov 16 12:57:01 <EugeneKay> Try "cyanogenmod upgrade guide"
Nov 16 12:57:12 <Besitzer> i know that guide
Nov 16 12:57:23 <Besitzer> but it ahs nothing about installing those apps
Nov 16 12:57:23 <EugeneKay> Well that tells you how.
Nov 16 12:57:30 <EugeneKay> Yes, it does.
Nov 16 12:57:52 <EugeneKay> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Full_Update_Guide_-_G1/Dream_Firmware_to_CyanogenMod#Flash_Android_1.6_.26_CyanogenMod_4.2.5.2F4.1.9999
Nov 16 12:59:03 <Besitzer> ah those zips include the apps?
Nov 16 12:59:39 <EugeneKay> ADP 1.6 does
Nov 16 13:00:09 <Besitzer> ah thank you
Nov 16 13:00:31 <Besitzer> since that si adt 1.6 the navigation is not includet!?
Nov 16 13:00:50 <EugeneKay> Google Navigation is a 2.0 app
Nov 16 13:01:00 <Besitzer> i see
Nov 16 13:01:05 <Besitzer> http://androinica.com/2009/11/11/get-google-maps-navigator-on-a-g1-rooted-phones-only/
Nov 16 13:01:09 <EugeneKay> You can 1) Whine about it not being on market loudly, or 2) Wait
Nov 16 13:01:25 <Besitzer> or 3) do that
Nov 16 13:01:32 <Besitzer> but it tells US phones only :(
Nov 16 13:01:46 <Besitzer> do you know a way for EU phones?
Nov 16 13:02:29 <EugeneKay> I'm guessing the maps themselves aren't available for EU phones ;-)
Nov 16 13:03:02 <EugeneKay> The only phone that is supposed to have Navigation is the Droid, which is Verizon-US only
Nov 16 13:08:53 <Besitzer> google maps is avaiable in europe too
Nov 16 13:09:05 <Besitzer> and the navigation maps are nearly the same
Nov 16 13:09:13 <Besitzer> except they appear 3D
Nov 16 13:10:00 <Besitzer> and the droid is called milestone in germany
Nov 16 13:22:45 <StyXman> I try to execute the commands from http://source.android.com/download/#TOC-Initializing-a-Repo-client and I get «fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly». any hints?
Nov 16 13:29:32 <tjohns> StyXman: Which command is it failing on?
Nov 16 13:29:36 <tjohns> repo init?
Nov 16 13:29:40 <StyXman> yes
Nov 16 13:29:43 <StyXman> (sorry)
Nov 16 13:30:00 <tjohns> My guess is it's a firewall problem.
Nov 16 13:30:21 <StyXman> damn
Nov 16 13:31:28 <tjohns> Can you check out other git repos?
Nov 16 13:31:38 <tjohns> Specifically, ones that use the git:// protocol
Nov 16 13:32:02 <StyXman> lemme see
Nov 16 13:42:10 <spHL2Note> good morning
Nov 16 13:42:20 <Besitzer> hi
Nov 16 13:42:25 <blip-> hi, how do you minimize apps in android ?  I keep trying to and it closes them
Nov 16 13:42:39 <blip-> in particular the free Terminal from the store
Nov 16 13:42:42 <Besitzer> is this stylish green-shite theme the cyanogen-default-home?
Nov 16 13:43:35 <Besitzer> mean green-white
Nov 16 13:43:56 <blip-> and it's so damn slow the Dev phone 1... it's needs a faster proc like the eyephone 3gs one
Nov 16 13:46:30 <blip-> and how do you enter Ctrl-C ?
Nov 16 13:46:43 <jtz100>  x=/
Nov 16 13:47:52 <droid001> StyXman: git://android.git.kernel.org is IMO broken since friday, I get:   [new branch]      eclair     -> korg/eclair ... fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Nov 16 13:48:34 <StyXman> droid001: ouch
Nov 16 13:48:57 <tjohns> Hm, I just tried it and it worked...
Nov 16 13:49:14 <tjohns> That's during the initial init?
Nov 16 13:50:47 <StyXman> here it is
Nov 16 13:50:56 <StyXman> and I'm cloning qt right now
Nov 16 13:51:10 <StyXman> so it doesn't seem to be a FW here
Nov 16 13:52:10 <bnovc> blip-: apps don't get minimized. to run them in the background hit home and to sort of close them hit back
Nov 16 13:52:31 <tjohns> Joy. I'll ping the git team and give them a heads up that something might be amiss.
Nov 16 13:52:48 <blip-> bnovc: ah ok that seems to work.  I like the 'sort of close them' part :D
Nov 16 13:53:35 <bnovc> blip-: they partially stay open until you run out of memory so they can reopen faster
Nov 16 13:54:09 <blip-> ah i see. thanks
Nov 16 13:54:19 <tjohns> Ideally, whether an app is running or not should be transparent
Nov 16 13:55:00 <tjohns> (From a user's standpoint, anyway. As a developer, you definitely need to watch out for your app getting killed. ;))
Nov 16 13:58:56 <bnovc> not sure I agree with that. You will see more lag if yo hit 'home' than 'back'
Nov 16 14:01:33 <tjohns> I did say "ideally"
Nov 16 14:03:10 <lamusic> cyanogen: hi; what is the way for import your usb tethering please ?
Nov 16 14:03:53 <Disconnect> lamusic: try #cyanogenmod
Nov 16 14:05:08 <bnovc> he doesn't watch for his name being pinged. it happens too often
Nov 16 14:05:39 <lamusic> Disconnect: no, no thanks, on #cyanogenmod, all people say to me "use cyanogen kernel", but thanks :)
Nov 16 14:06:23 <Disconnect> lamusic: thats nice, but its off topic here.
Nov 16 14:06:29 <Disconnect> thats why that channel exists.
Nov 16 14:06:42 <Besitzer> how can i report irc abuse?
Nov 16 14:06:47 <Disconnect> Besitzer: ?
Nov 16 14:07:24 <lamusic> Disconnect: ok
Nov 16 14:07:30 <Besitzer> in another channel one talks about p3n15 enlargement as replys on all kinds of questions
Nov 16 14:07:41 <Besitzer> how can he be removed?
Nov 16 14:07:52 <Disconnect> Besitzer: if there are no channel ops around, go to #freenode and report it there. one of the network ops will check it out.
Nov 16 14:08:12 <Besitzer> thanks
Nov 16 14:11:29 <Serdar> there is a problem with android.kernel.org everytime
Nov 16 14:11:33 <Serdar> I can't sync again
Nov 16 14:11:44 <jnwhiteh> yeah I'm having the same issue at the moment =/.
Nov 16 14:13:31 <tjohns> I pinged the people who manage the git repo. I suspect they're still asleep at the moment though.
Nov 16 14:22:56 <arpu> hello i have a problem with sdk 2.0 on ubuntu 9.10 i can not install komponents with the manager when i click install selected nothing pop ups
Nov 16 14:25:59 <StyXman> is there any other way to get the code?
Nov 16 14:33:29 <arpu> export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true  solve my problems
Nov 16 14:34:02 <tjohns> StyXman: Not officially. I'm sure there's a clone of the repo out there somewhere, but it's probably easier just to wait.
Nov 16 14:35:19 <StyXman> tjohns: k :|
Nov 16 14:36:29 <StyXman> tjohns: it works intermitently
Nov 16 14:38:03 <tjohns> I suppose it could be a load issue. I don't have any way to check, though.
Nov 16 14:38:48 <StyXman> k
Nov 16 14:41:36 <Besitzer> wann kommt eigentlich flash fürs g1? das is doch schon ne ganze weile angekündigt
Nov 16 14:41:56 <Besitzer> sry
Nov 16 14:42:28 <Besitzer> when will flash for android be released? it's been announced for quite a time
Nov 16 14:42:49 <Disconnect> then ask the people who announced it..
Nov 16 14:43:30 <Besitzer> :D Hi Adobbe-just wanted to ask-when will fash for android come out
Nov 16 14:45:18 <_Auron_> Besitzer: when it's out. aka, we'll never know until it is out.
Nov 16 14:45:43 <Disconnect> you'd have better luck walking out on the street and asking random people than getting answers here. a - its not an android or google product. b - google doesn't even talk about stuff that -is- released, much less unreleased. c - even if they were awake and talking, they don't know any more than you except (possibly) about devices like hero that might have the htc crippled version on it.
Nov 16 14:46:17 <_Auron_> short version: what I said ^ :P
Nov 16 14:46:18 <Besitzer> ok
Nov 16 14:46:19 <grindking> besitzer: it won't be until 2010
Nov 16 14:46:33 <grindking> besitzer: adobe completely lied this whole past year
Nov 16 14:46:43 <Besitzer> :(
Nov 16 14:46:54 <grindking> showed at adobe max 2008, not released 2009, coming out first in beta for winmob and webos
Nov 16 14:46:57 <_Auron_> but the question is.. will fullscreen flash be slow?! :D
Nov 16 14:47:06 <grindking> besitzer: adobe also lied and said they needed 2.0 framework for flash, which is TOTAL lies
Nov 16 14:47:11 <grindking> _auron_: wasn't in 2008
Nov 16 14:47:18 <grindking> video's still on youtube
Nov 16 14:47:32 <grindking> but might not have been OSP flash10
Nov 16 14:47:46 <_Auron_> I thought that was flash 8/9
Nov 16 14:47:53 <grindking> probably, either way, wasn't slow
Nov 16 14:48:00 <grindking> if it wasn't slow in 9, it shouldn't be in 10
Nov 16 14:48:37 <Besitzer> so it is not possible to watch youtube, clipfisch, myvideo etc in browser
Nov 16 15:08:30 <p0windah> I am looking for some confirmation advice with my new htc hero, running android 1.5
Nov 16 15:08:43 <Disconnect> can you make that into an actual question?
Nov 16 15:08:53 <p0windah> in the contacts application, I have several contacts, that are google based
Nov 16 15:09:07 <p0windah> thats the first half of it, will continue again disconnect
Nov 16 15:09:59 <p0windah> my contacts have emails, phones, and facebook links, but I have no action to "start chat" via google chat - only sms and call
Nov 16 15:10:04 <p0windah> is that a bug or feature ?
Nov 16 15:11:03 <p0windah> I do have google talk running and its working - but I just cant start a chat from within my contacts, where i do have real gmail contact info
Nov 16 15:11:31 <p0windah> disconnect, ??
Nov 16 15:13:34 <tauno> The google sign-in prompt is REALLY annoying every time when you switch your SIM card :(
Nov 16 15:15:18 <tauno> doing it a few times per day :/
Nov 16 15:18:44 <bnovc> tauno: most people probably don't do that very often though :)
Nov 16 15:19:14 <tauno> that's true.. but it doesn't  make it less annoying for me :)
Nov 16 15:19:36 <bnovc> does it ask for your Google login?
Nov 16 15:19:41 <tauno> should be a configurable security setting IMO
Nov 16 15:19:53 <tauno> yes, when launching market or adcII etc..
Nov 16 15:19:58 <bnovc> I have to click through around 10 screens to get to my main menu every time I boot, so I don't feel much pity for you :)
Nov 16 15:20:46 <tauno> I don't dare to ask why :))
Nov 16 15:29:58 <perlmonkey21> anyone know about Latitude's algorithm for reporting?  I've just had a phone go on a road trip with 100% battery and charging status with 2 hour updates.
Nov 16 15:31:51 <savid> Does anyone know of a good adapter that will allow me to use a headphone jack and charge the phone simultaneously?
Nov 16 15:47:39 <JeepNaked> savid - ya might want to include for what device you're talking about
Nov 16 15:48:59 <savid> oh hah..  G1
Nov 16 15:49:09 <StyXman> aren't there any release-in-tar.gz files for android? I don't actuallt need a git clone (yet?), just the cross compiler
Nov 16 15:49:09 <savid> I think I actually found a Y adapter online
Nov 16 15:49:10 <Jengoris> hi
Nov 16 15:49:33 <Jengoris> Problem:  HTC might get lazy with android updates
Nov 16 15:49:46 <Jengoris> what if they drop android altogether and never upgrade to 3.0 for example.
Nov 16 15:49:57 <Jengoris> coz i am considering  a 24 month contract with a htc phone
Nov 16 15:51:36 <ziyourenxiang> when that happens, sell your phone and buy a new one
Nov 16 15:51:57 <skenmy> Jengoris, what happens if android folds and gets forgotten? What happens if your provider dies?
Nov 16 15:52:38 <RJarett> run an unlock hack on it and use it with another provider :P
Nov 16 15:53:15 <RJarett> HTC users have custom builds from XDA developers website.
Nov 16 15:53:37 <Disconnect> savid: fwiw i have some 2 and 3 way adapters in my amazon store. i use the 3way, works great. http://astore.amazon.com/scubanetwo-20
Nov 16 15:54:19 <RJarett> <insertcheapendorsementhere></insertcheapendorsementhere>
Nov 16 15:56:00 <StyXman> ok, found a zip of cupcake's code: http://androidforums.com/android-developers/1045-source-code-android-jar.html#post32885
Nov 16 15:59:45 <tauno_> weee. acore crashed with IndexOutOfBoundsException
Nov 16 16:03:33 <AbortRetryFail> http://astore.amazon.com/scubanetwo-20/detail/B000796XXM lol wtf
Nov 16 16:05:13 <Jengoris> let me understand this:
Nov 16 16:05:29 <Jengoris> Why dont they make the phone so that we can upgrade the android version outselves?
Nov 16 16:05:33 <Jengoris> *Ourseolves
Nov 16 16:05:48 <Disconnect> they do. its called the adp1. (or adp2.)
Nov 16 16:05:51 <RJarett> Jengoris: you can, if you buy an unlocked one.  for about 400$ more.
Nov 16 16:06:57 <Jengoris> why do they lock the phones
Nov 16 16:07:18 <RJarett> Because they eat a large part of the cost of it
Nov 16 16:07:25 <RJarett> And want you to stay locked in your plan to make up for it
Nov 16 16:07:34 <Jengoris> the mobile phone market is all fucked up
Nov 16 16:07:36 <Jengoris> i wana BUY the phone
Nov 16 16:07:37 <Disconnect> RJarett: er, no they don't. thats what contract terms and early-termination-fees are for/
Nov 16 16:07:38 <AbortRetryFail> they also keep a closed market so prices stay high
Nov 16 16:07:40 <Jengoris> then, i choose a provider
Nov 16 16:07:41 <AbortRetryFail> let's not forget that.
Nov 16 16:07:43 <Jengoris> isnt that am uch better way
Nov 16 16:07:52 <RJarett> Verizon Motorola Droid $199.    Unlocked $699.
Nov 16 16:07:58 <Digital-Pioneer> Too bad. :(
Nov 16 16:08:03 <AbortRetryFail> Mine was only $460
Nov 16 16:08:06 <Disconnect> Jengoris: you can. go to htc.com and you can buy most of them unlocked.
Nov 16 16:08:11 <AbortRetryFail> they quoted me $560 before that.
Nov 16 16:08:16 <Jengoris> $460 for a brand new droid no contract?
Nov 16 16:08:30 <AbortRetryFail> Jengoris: They might have finagled some things on our corporate plan to get that price.
Nov 16 16:08:41 <AbortRetryFail> not 100% sure until i see the bill. I'm a bit skeptical about it all.
Nov 16 16:08:47 <RJarett> Lol yeah locked it to a contract and made 2x profit
Nov 16 16:08:52 <AbortRetryFail> ^
Nov 16 16:09:27 <RJarett> Id go unlocked on a gsm device.  no use on cdma w/ verizon
Nov 16 16:09:47 <Jengoris> GSM
Nov 16 16:09:56 <RJarett> Cause sprint and tmobile suck more
Nov 16 16:10:05 <AbortRetryFail> TMobile is GSM
Nov 16 16:10:20 <Jengoris> the whole world is gsm
Nov 16 16:10:24 <Jengoris> apart from u stupid americans
Nov 16 16:11:05 <AbortRetryFail> http://www.store.motorola.com/mot/en/US/adirect/motorola?cmd=catProductDetail&productID=MOTA855&showAddButton=true&DispStyle=B2CStyleCategory&filterDispName=Phones+%28No+Contract%29&catKey=601129&refinementOption=true&refinementOption=true&myFilterType=1&myFilterType=1&dispColNum=1&dispColNum=1&filter=601129*&MessageType=catDisplayStyle&MessageType=catDisplayStyle&OP=filter&FormName=query&FormName=query&filterModuleName=Narrow+By&filterModuleName=Narrow+
Nov 16 16:11:12 <RJarett> Its an LTE world...
Nov 16 16:11:12 <AbortRetryFail> WHOA wtf url
Nov 16 16:11:17 <AbortRetryFail> sorry about that.
Nov 16 16:11:42 <AbortRetryFail> Jengoris: Yeah CDMA is stupid. Battery life sucks worse too, since GSM can fall back to 2G and slow data to use less power.
Nov 16 16:12:00 <AbortRetryFail> My droid is either 3G EVDO or none.
Nov 16 16:13:03 <RJarett> It's the best screen ive seen on a handheld. thats why i wanted it
Nov 16 16:13:13 <RJarett> call quality sucks though
Nov 16 16:15:05 <Jengoris> I want LTE advanced
Nov 16 16:16:31 <StyXman> does the android source (still?) include the prebuilt toolchain? «That ships with a prebuilt toolchain with a compiler named something like arm-eabi-gcc . It's convenient to get that onto your PATH with something like the following (assuming Android source in $HOME/src/android): »
Nov 16 16:16:36 <StyXman> export PATH=$HOME/src/android/prebuilt/linux-x86/toolchain/arm-eabi-4.2.1/bin
Nov 16 16:25:56 <crazed> anyway to play .pls streams ?
Nov 16 16:27:04 <RJarett> open it in a text file and see what its leanking to
Nov 16 16:27:09 <AbortRetryFail> RJarett: your call quality sucks? Mine is great.
Nov 16 16:27:13 <RJarett> normally a m3u or shoutcast stream
Nov 16 16:27:26 <crazed> yeah it's a shoutcast stream (i run the server for it)
Nov 16 16:27:33 <RJarett> streamfurious and alot of others will play shoutcast backed ones
Nov 16 16:27:40 <AbortRetryFail> The mic sometimes has a hard time if i'm holding the phone away from my head, which i usually do because the earpiece volume is TOO LOUD even all the way down.
Nov 16 16:27:46 <RJarett> AbortRetryFail: yeah. and I even *288 option 2'd it
Nov 16 16:28:01 <RJarett> and when i connect to my bluetooth car ugh. bad.
Nov 16 16:28:12 <RJarett> my att tilt was perfect call quality esp on bluetooth
Nov 16 16:28:24 <AbortRetryFail> I tried this with A2DP to a rental car last night, and was unable to play anything through it.
Nov 16 16:28:25 <Disconnect> anyone else hate the "unsubscribe and report spam" crap in gmail? no, for the 200th time, I don't want to unsubscribe. I want to report the spam that the moderators let in. And I want to move on with my life.
Nov 16 16:28:33 <Disconnect> (also, no kb shortcuts. :( ..)
Nov 16 16:30:10 <RJarett> no one has the stupid charger cradles for it either. sucks
Nov 16 16:30:42 <AbortRetryFail> for the Droid? Yeah my local Verizon store didn't have them yet either. I'm more interested in the car mount really.
Nov 16 16:31:02 <RJarett> i have a car charger... i dont want to put out for the car cradle just yet
Nov 16 16:31:17 <RJarett> i gave my tomtom to the wife once i got this
Nov 16 16:31:53 <AbortRetryFail> I'd have kept the tomtom, even with the screen turned down as dark as it will go, google maps nav is still too blinding to use at night.
Nov 16 16:32:29 <tauno_> whoever decided that it's a good idea to change the colors of the tab-activity tab backgrounds and listview list-selectors etc so that existing apps break (eg texts are not readable and icons don't "work" anymore), should be tortured somehow :P
Nov 16 16:33:01 <AbortRetryFail> never seen that tauno_.
Nov 16 16:33:03 <d1b> tauno_: "pick a tab any tab"
Nov 16 16:33:13 <RJarett> also if im on a call for a really long time, phone wont ever wake up if i pull it from ear or hit the power button
Nov 16 16:33:15 <tauno_> AbortRetryFail, don't worry, you will
Nov 16 16:33:26 <AbortRetryFail> examples?
Nov 16 16:33:56 <tauno_> AbortRetryFail, you have a Droid?
Nov 16 16:34:02 <AbortRetryFail> maybe those apps shouldn't assume the defaults will stay the same?
Nov 16 16:34:03 <AbortRetryFail> yes.
Nov 16 16:34:56 <optedoblivion> tauno_ : I have a droid, and I have not noticed that either.
Nov 16 16:35:28 <tauno_> ok, this was rhetorical - I'm not talking about the droid :P
Nov 16 16:35:37 <RJarett> lol
Nov 16 16:35:39 <optedoblivion> lol Kk
Nov 16 16:35:47 <RJarett> You mean theres another phone?
Nov 16 16:35:51 <AbortRetryFail> rofl
Nov 16 16:35:54 <OldCode101_> Morning guys
Nov 16 16:35:55 <AbortRetryFail> of course there's other phones.
Nov 16 16:36:03 <RJarett> But can the other phone do this...
Nov 16 16:36:04 <RJarett> ;)
Nov 16 16:36:21 <AbortRetryFail> I have run into plenty of apps that assume to use a 320x480 screen.
Nov 16 16:36:31 <OldCode101_> I am looking for an App to access files on my network without having to setup an FTP server
Nov 16 16:36:34 <AbortRetryFail> most are still usable though.
Nov 16 16:36:37 <RJarett> i was the last person on my companies att plan just waiting until verizon got a good phone
Nov 16 16:36:49 <d1b> OldCode101_: http doesn't work ;) ?
Nov 16 16:36:57 <AbortRetryFail> RJarett: My company already had Verizon, i was waiting for them to release an Android phone.
Nov 16 16:37:12 <AbortRetryFail> I'd considered dumping my company phone and going to Tmobile just to get a G1.
Nov 16 16:37:21 <RJarett> Everyone else switched w/ blackberries. no freakin way will I use a BB
Nov 16 16:37:27 <optedoblivion> I had altell, and luckily got bought by verizon
Nov 16 16:37:27 <d1b> AbortRetryFail: why what do you have ?
Nov 16 16:37:29 <RJarett> I even run the BB server and i refuse to use a BB.
Nov 16 16:37:39 <optedoblivion> had an HTC touch and used the vogue port of 1.5
Nov 16 16:37:43 <AbortRetryFail> d1b: moto droid now.
Nov 16 16:37:54 <d1b> moto?
Nov 16 16:37:57 <d1b> motorola?
Nov 16 16:37:58 <AbortRetryFail> motorola
Nov 16 16:37:59 <AbortRetryFail> yes
Nov 16 16:38:16 <d1b> i thought that was meant to be good.
Nov 16 16:38:42 <AbortRetryFail> RJarett: i hate blackberries. I kept my Palm TX for a long time because i'd rather use ancient unsupported Palm OS than use a blackberry.
Nov 16 16:39:07 <RJarett> getting buts out of google apps connector for blackberry is a pita
Nov 16 16:39:10 <AbortRetryFail> also BES is a fuckup, the horrible way it interfaces with MS exchange is WORSE
Nov 16 16:39:11 <RJarett> s/bugs
Nov 16 16:39:27 <RJarett> im happily switching from lotus to google apps.
Nov 16 16:39:58 <optedoblivion> exchange == devil
Nov 16 16:40:03 <Jengoris> wtf is exchange
Nov 16 16:40:11 <d1b> Jengoris: you don't want to know!
Nov 16 16:40:15 <optedoblivion> lolz
Nov 16 16:40:23 <AbortRetryFail> Jengoris: a terrible "email" server from Redmond WA
Nov 16 16:40:27 <d1b> or rather you don't want management to know
Nov 16 16:40:31 <AbortRetryFail> ^
Nov 16 16:40:43 <Jengoris> googlei s the best imo
Nov 16 16:40:47 <Jengoris> ohnestly
Nov 16 16:40:52 <Jengoris> i would PAY for google voice over here
Nov 16 16:40:56 <AbortRetryFail> do they offer on-site gmail?
Nov 16 16:40:58 <Jengoris> why dont they just make some stuff premium ffs
Nov 16 16:40:59 <optedoblivion> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange [+]
Nov 16 16:41:00 <d1b> Jengoris: where is here ?
Nov 16 16:41:16 <kroot> jbq: libacc has a lot of problems, but I'm only going to fix the ones that need to be fixed to compile..
Nov 16 16:41:33 <jbq> ok
Nov 16 16:41:57 <Jengoris> here is OUTSIDE THE US
Nov 16 16:41:58 <Jengoris> mong
Nov 16 16:42:12 <kroot> this is where change history would come in handy :-)
Nov 16 16:42:29 <d1b> Jengoris: yeah.... well i kind of have google voice services from another company :)
Nov 16 16:42:32 <bnovc> jbq: http://groups.google.com/group/repo-discuss/browse_frm/thread/65517cff9e6fefa2# -- does Shawn not manage your Gerrit instance? We ran into that problem here as well but increasing the memory limits in Gerrit resolved it for us
Nov 16 16:42:37 <d1b> (also out side the us)
Nov 16 16:42:42 <Jengoris> d1b what company
Nov 16 16:42:42 <Jengoris> bt?
Nov 16 16:42:48 <Jengoris> ribbit or we the shit its wazzoood
Nov 16 16:43:04 <d1b> nope :) --> some small voip company
Nov 16 16:43:10 <Jengoris> Such as?
Nov 16 16:43:13 <jbq> bnovc: in the open, people don't sync against Gerrit, but against the mirrors at kernel.org
Nov 16 16:43:14 <Jengoris> Skype/
Nov 16 16:43:23 <d1b> Jengoris: not skype...
Nov 16 16:43:35 <Jengoris> Skype 2?
Nov 16 16:43:41 <d1b> nm
Nov 16 16:43:46 <Jengoris> P{Skype} ?
Nov 16 16:43:50 <RJarett> no local verizon store in 25 miles, nor bestbuys have the cradles
Nov 16 16:43:54 <Jengoris> {1,5,7} ?
Nov 16 16:44:11 <RJarett> "itll be on the truck tomorrow" ohh your guy said that yesterday
Nov 16 16:44:12 <d1b> anyways, mobile rates in North america are screwed.
Nov 16 16:45:02 <Jengoris> LOL
Nov 16 16:45:04 <Jengoris> stop whining
Nov 16 16:45:07 <Jengoris> you are so rich
Nov 16 16:45:29 <d1b> jbq: how does the android do tethering btw ? (i thought the netfilter module was removed)
Nov 16 16:45:29 <Jengoris> BOO HOO my mobile phone costs $40 how will i possibly survive
Nov 16 16:45:36 <d1b> or should i just ask the room in general?
Nov 16 16:45:42 <d1b> Jengoris: .....
Nov 16 16:45:59 <jbq> d1b: I don't know, to be honest. This is beyond my level of knowledge.
Nov 16 16:46:05 <d1b> ok
Nov 16 16:46:26 <kroot> d1b: Some of the phones I've seen simply switch the radio chipset to a serial port over USB. The phone can't get on the Internet anymore, but the PC can do a PPP session.
Nov 16 16:46:43 <d1b> oh i see
Nov 16 16:47:59 <Jengoris> LuL
Nov 16 16:49:58 <kroot> d1b: That's with the CDMA Qualcomm chipset phones; I haven't seen USB tethering on any of the GSM phones I have.
Nov 16 16:50:55 <d1b> kroot: i think there is a method to do it for some of the gsm phones just don't know how.
Nov 16 16:51:01 <Jengoris> quiet!
Nov 16 16:51:02 <d1b>  / it is an app.
Nov 16 16:52:40 <kroot> I imagine any app fakes it through TCP over the ADB interface.
Nov 16 16:53:58 <kroot> Kind of like SLiRP if you guys are old enough for that..
Nov 16 16:53:58 <madis> I've seen roms that have options for usb tethering
Nov 16 16:54:15 <Mr_Cooka> hi.. i was wondering if anyone could tell me in wich countries the Magic 32A version is sold...
Nov 16 16:56:47 <EugeneKay> Mr_Cooka - eBay is more of a protectorate
Nov 16 16:57:50 <bryanl> kroot: i haven't heard the term slirp in years
Nov 16 16:58:33 <grindking> pdanet allows usb tethering
Nov 16 16:58:37 <kroot> bryanl: Back when 14.4kbps PPP connections were a couple hundred a year...
Nov 16 16:58:43 <kroot> er, a month
Nov 16 16:58:44 <bryanl> oh yeah
Nov 16 16:58:50 <bryanl> log into shell..
Nov 16 16:58:54 <bryanl> start slirp
Nov 16 16:59:02 <bryanl> back when netscape was new
Nov 16 16:59:27 <kroot> grindking: I think that uses ADB to do PPP over TCP probably.
Nov 16 16:59:27 <bryanl> and mosaic was the king of the block
Nov 16 16:59:33 <bryanl> wow i just dated myself
Nov 16 16:59:36 * kroot . o O ( acronym soup )
Nov 16 16:59:51 <grindking> i just thought someone was asking if it was possible, i dunno the specifics on how it works :D
Nov 16 17:00:00 <kroot> bryanl: and veronica knew all the answers
Nov 16 17:15:53 <Disconnect> anyone know where the android sourcer prebuilt-sdl patches are?
Nov 16 17:19:30 <kroot> I think I need a more generic term for "trackball" in documentation. I've had a couple people write me and say, "I can't use ConnectBot because I have a (directional pad|touch-sensitive pad|etc)"
Nov 16 17:20:22 <RJarett> that reminds me, i need to load my keys on my droid
Nov 16 17:20:42 <kroot> Also, it seems that the "icon guidelines" for 2.0 have changed.
Nov 16 17:21:49 <RJarett> which i dont really like how connectbot lacks suitable navigation to a dir where they are stored
Nov 16 17:22:15 <kroot> jbq: Are Alarm Clock, Contacts, Messaging, Phone, etc icons the new style?
Nov 16 17:22:30 <jbq> Yes
Nov 16 17:22:32 <kroot> RJarett: That's because they're in a database. I don't think you'd like having your keys readable by any application...
Nov 16 17:23:04 <jbq> the HVGA build is half-way done in terms of getting the new icons - some of the new icons only currently exist in WVGA.
Nov 16 17:23:19 <RJarett> i dont like having them in the root level of my sd card
Nov 16 17:24:08 <Disconnect> (fyi if anyone else was looking for it, the sources are at http://android.git.kernel.org/pub/sdl-1.2.12-android-20080919.tar.gz - there is a readme in the prebuilt bins dir.)
Nov 16 17:25:46 <mufumbo> it would be cool  a icon creator, where you put a flat image and it creates the app icon and the notification bar icon optimized for android
Nov 16 17:25:47 <mufumbo> hehe
Nov 16 17:27:21 <bnovc> app icons are supposed to be flat for 2.0 anyway
Nov 16 17:36:48 <jeev> i tried sip on my phone last night
Nov 16 17:36:50 <jeev> cool
Nov 16 17:41:27 * kroot rebases everything published.
Nov 16 17:52:02 <droid001> still not working :(, since friday I get  repo sync, fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly, error: Cannot fetch manifests
Nov 16 17:52:05 <elitrix> kinda a strange question but.... im new to sprint and received my first bill today.... why am i being charged for next month already? does sprint charge for service in advance?
Nov 16 17:52:48 <Elench> Asking Sprint would be the obvious way to find out
Nov 16 17:52:55 <jbq> droid001: where are you located?
Nov 16 17:52:58 <elitrix> but requires more effort
Nov 16 17:53:06 <droid001> germany
Nov 16 17:53:33 <jbq> droid001: ok, thanks. Looks like the European mirrors are having some serious trouble.
Nov 16 17:53:40 <jeev> elitrix, sprint has the worst customer service on earth, good luck
Nov 16 17:53:43 <jeev> i recommend you use chat rather than calling
Nov 16 17:53:46 <jbq> (we're investigating with kernel.org)
Nov 16 17:53:53 <elitrix> ah yeah good idea jeev
Nov 16 17:53:59 <droid001> thanks
Nov 16 18:06:58 <mikedg> yo
Nov 16 18:07:18 <elitrix> ahoy
Nov 16 18:07:58 <rohan> which is the latest android phone?
Nov 16 18:08:07 <TommyB> droooiidddd
Nov 16 18:08:11 <EugeneK> Verizon Droid
Nov 16 18:08:35 <jeev> ignore the lame commercials
Nov 16 18:08:58 <rohan> i.e. moto droid?
Nov 16 18:09:05 <EugeneK> Yes.
Nov 16 18:09:06 <rohan> jeev: lame commercials of what?
Nov 16 18:09:20 <rohan> is the droid the most omfg l33t feature-loaded android phone to date?
Nov 16 18:09:26 <jeev> verizon
Nov 16 18:09:35 <TommyB> yes
Nov 16 18:09:40 <jeev> verizon thinks if they shoot the droid out of an f117, it hits the ground
Nov 16 18:09:42 <TommyB> without a doubt, rohan
Nov 16 18:09:43 <jeev> people will buy it
Nov 16 18:09:52 <mikedg> the htc tattoo > droid
Nov 16 18:10:01 <TommyB> fail
Nov 16 18:10:08 <TommyB> trollll
Nov 16 18:10:09 <jeev> i'm not a fan of lame cell phone nmaes
Nov 16 18:10:10 <rohan> mikedg: tattoo is released?
Nov 16 18:10:12 <jeev> tattoo sounds really lame
Nov 16 18:10:27 <TommyB> I'm going to punch this kid, I can finally beat him up for trolling
Nov 16 18:10:48 <TommyB> rohan, tattoo is out, not in US
Nov 16 18:11:01 <TommyB> its okay, but its no droid
Nov 16 18:11:57 <kroot> Tattoo is QVGA, right
Nov 16 18:12:04 <TommyB> yep
Nov 16 18:12:20 <TommyB> 2.8" resistive, feels good for resistive but still not great
Nov 16 18:12:34 <convivial> Hi!
Nov 16 18:12:34 <mikedg> yeah tattoo is the android for your momma
Nov 16 18:12:48 <rohan> moto droid looks sexy as compared to tattoo
Nov 16 18:12:48 <jeev> aahah
Nov 16 18:12:49 <convivial> does android have built in email or would an email library be helpful?
Nov 16 18:12:57 <jeev> on the contrary
Nov 16 18:12:59 <jeev> droid is very fugly
Nov 16 18:13:24 <convivial> thinking if I can do fine writing android ftp/smtp/www library
Nov 16 18:13:50 <rohan> moto droid is cdma phone, or gsm?
Nov 16 18:13:58 <ezome> both
Nov 16 18:14:08 <ezome> actually there are 2 versions of the droid
Nov 16 18:14:13 <jeev> the verizon one is cdma duh
Nov 16 18:14:25 <jeev> convivial, it has built in email
Nov 16 18:14:26 <ezome> one can do gsm  andone can do cdma
Nov 16 18:14:39 <convivial> oh...
Nov 16 18:14:44 <convivial> what about www lib?
Nov 16 18:14:52 <convivial> hmmmmm
Nov 16 18:15:03 <rohan> ezome: strange because http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid says only cdma
Nov 16 18:15:11 <MoonUnit`> wow that xperia x10 video on engadget, very smooth interface
Nov 16 18:15:27 <ezome> rohan: here in europe its running under another name
Nov 16 18:16:03 <convivial> i just want to creat something that is very needed on android
Nov 16 18:16:32 <RJarett> convivial: so why are you thinking about "basic" functionality?
Nov 16 18:16:38 <jeev> convivial, a fart app.
Nov 16 18:16:50 <convivial> RJarett: anything I don't care
Nov 16 18:16:54 <RJarett> Make a backup application or file storage app that syncs up to the users amazon s3 account
Nov 16 18:16:59 <jeev> RJarett, great idea
Nov 16 18:17:03 <jeev> one that uses gpg
Nov 16 18:17:12 <convivial> what is amazon s3?
Nov 16 18:17:18 <RJarett> Or an addon for email that uploads an attachment to S3, and copies the protected time locked link to the email
Nov 16 18:17:30 <jeev> cloud storage
Nov 16 18:17:48 <RJarett> thats stuff ive recently built for desktops here at work since idiots would clog our mailservers with attachments
Nov 16 18:18:03 <jeev> convivial, here are my requests in order. a) fart app, b) import csv from flash to avoid using gmail's import system. c) amazon s3 gpg back up
Nov 16 18:18:25 <RJarett> the amazon s3 backup would be easy really
Nov 16 18:18:33 <jeev> yea they give you api's and stuff no
Nov 16 18:18:39 <convivial> ok
Nov 16 18:18:42 <RJarett> yeah
Nov 16 18:18:52 <RJarett> hardpart is just handling of "open" files and crap
Nov 16 18:18:52 <convivial> but will that be useful in mass market
Nov 16 18:18:59 <RJarett> convivial: no
Nov 16 18:19:00 <convivial> how much will i be qable to sell it for?
Nov 16 18:19:08 <RJarett> unless you have modules for corbonite, mozy, and all the others
Nov 16 18:19:17 <RJarett> Information belongs to the people
Nov 16 18:19:25 <RJarett> dont sell it shrew
Nov 16 18:19:38 <TommyB> 2nd
Nov 16 18:19:39 <jeev> i'll pay a cent for the import .csv and map fields to contacts
Nov 16 18:19:49 <RJarett> If you want a locked down phone that mindless mass of robots will be forced to buy apps on, use iphone
Nov 16 18:20:05 <Jengoris> iPhone is a great phone
Nov 16 18:20:08 <Jengoris> dont disrespect it
Nov 16 18:20:22 <TommyB> great phone, not great smartphone
Nov 16 18:21:15 <Jengoris> WHAT
Nov 16 18:21:34 <Jengoris> i canot take you seriously if u think the iphone is not a great phone
Nov 16 18:21:36 <convivial> how I am to earn a living if I dont sell stuff?
Nov 16 18:21:47 <RJarett> Get a real job, and cut your hair, hippy
Nov 16 18:21:48 <RJarett> lol
Nov 16 18:22:04 <RJarett> Most paid apps on the marketplace suck compared to the free stuff
Nov 16 18:22:16 <RJarett> or they dont offer demos, and no one wants an app they cant try out
Nov 16 18:23:02 <convivial> you just want free shit mank
Nov 16 18:24:04 <RJarett> The world doesnt need another grocery list app
Nov 16 18:24:34 <RJarett> And why should I pay $15 for bartenders bible, when i can open the web browser and goto itender.com or use a free drink app?
Nov 16 18:25:01 <RJarett> You need to think to yourself, WHY should someone buy my app over another one?
Nov 16 18:25:18 <RJarett> Will yours crash less?  Will yours look better?  Most important will yours do something the free one cannot?
Nov 16 18:26:09 <Dialekt>  http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2009/11/16/new-xperia-x10-hands-on-video-brings-the-snappy/
Nov 16 18:26:14 <RJarett> Theres a few geocaching apps Im tempted to buy, but in the end none give me a better experience vs a free one for the money
Nov 16 18:26:53 <xorl> This normal, does the droid have a mouse cursor feature in the browser?
Nov 16 18:27:39 <xorl> Cause, I was playing around a few seconds ago, the browser was up and all of a sudden there was a mouse cursor
Nov 16 18:28:27 <rohan> ezome: what name is it marketed under, in europe?
Nov 16 18:28:54 <JeepNaked> best apps where 80% is free.. another app where the powerusers will buy
Nov 16 18:29:03 <JeepNaked> additional features, etc
Nov 16 18:29:36 <JeepNaked> *and* if we can think of your killer app idea here.. the person probably wouldn't tell someone to let run with it
Nov 16 18:29:58 <JeepNaked> people pay for inovation, not good programmers
Nov 16 18:30:24 <RJarett> hey  i gave away the idea for a killer app ;)
Nov 16 18:30:41 <JeepNaked> not a killer app for me..
Nov 16 18:30:58 <RJarett> thats cause you suck :P
Nov 16 18:31:13 <JeepNaked> we all suck in our own special way :)
Nov 16 18:31:24 <RJarett> that sony color scheme looks annoying
Nov 16 18:31:31 <RJarett> and doesnt seem all that snappy
Nov 16 18:37:09 <mikedgDroid> melon
Nov 16 18:47:42 <Disconnect> jbq: btw working on a 64bit libsdl prebuilt to go with the other snow leopard patches. is there a place to contribute patches for that? (since the sources are convenient tarballs dumped into a random directory)
Nov 16 18:49:20 <jbq> I'd be surprised if that worked well - qemu is very fundamentally 32-bit IIRC.
Nov 16 18:54:06 <Ddss> hey guys
Nov 16 18:54:17 <Ddss> how do i disable data services
Nov 16 18:54:18 <Ddss> on my phone
Nov 16 18:55:17 <Ddss> my phone says
Nov 16 18:55:21 <Ddss> not registered on network?
Nov 16 18:56:31 <Disconnect> you seem to have a bad keyboard. looks liek it sends enter when you press space. can you try again with a different kb?
Nov 16 18:56:55 <RyeBrye> I think he's trying to ask questions
Nov 16 18:56:57 <RyeBrye> in haiku
Nov 16 18:57:00 <Disconnect> lol
Nov 16 18:57:04 <RyeBrye> and failing
Nov 16 18:57:23 <Ddss> What?
Nov 16 18:57:38 <EugeneK> You seem
Nov 16 18:57:42 <EugeneK> to be splitting up
Nov 16 18:57:43 <Disconnect> jbq: we'll see what happens. building with llvm and only supporting 10.6 (I know that patch won't go in :) ..)
Nov 16 18:57:44 <EugeneK> your sentences
Nov 16 18:58:23 <Ddss> Hello
Nov 16 18:58:24 <Ddss> Is it better now?
Nov 16 18:58:36 <Disconnect> so far so good it seems
Nov 16 18:58:40 <Ddss> okay
Nov 16 18:58:44 <Ddss> i just got my G1 from Rogers..
Nov 16 18:58:49 <Ddss> Put in my sim card..
Nov 16 18:58:54 <Ddss> and says emergency calls only
Nov 16 18:58:56 <Ddss> :S
Nov 16 18:59:04 <Disconnect> ok now its using ..enter instead of space. thats so weird. maybe you need a new computer.
Nov 16 18:59:19 <EugeneK> Ddss, please speak in coherent sentences if you expect a reply
Nov 16 18:59:42 <EugeneK> That means one application of the "enter" key per period.
Nov 16 19:00:02 <Ddss> Okay.. sorry.. I fixed it.. It says rogers.. now...
Nov 16 19:00:06 <Elench> Or less if using full paragraphs.
Nov 16 19:00:08 <Ddss> How do I disable the data on my phone?
Nov 16 19:00:23 <Disconnect> EugeneK: i always wonder if its the stereotypical gamer phenotype, and they say it aloud as they type and hit enter whenever they have to gasp for breath or reach for cheetos or whatever.
Nov 16 19:00:25 <EugeneK> It sounds like your sympton and your question are completely unrelated.
Nov 16 19:00:46 <EugeneK> "Emergency calls only" screen means your phone is SIM locked to a carrier other than your sim card
Nov 16 19:00:54 <EugeneK> Disabling data is for when you don't have a data plan
Nov 16 19:01:01 <EugeneK> Which you should really have for a G1
Nov 16 19:01:02 <Elench> Or that you have reception for a network, but not your own
Nov 16 19:01:05 <bnovc> or your SIM card is PIN locked
Nov 16 19:01:09 <Disconnect> Ddss: in newer versions (1.6, maybe 1.5) there is a flag in the settings. the most definitive method is to alter the apns (also in settings) to invalid settings
Nov 16 19:02:10 <Ddss> I fixed that progrem by Rebooting Eugene. Thank you very much..
Nov 16 19:02:17 <Ddss> How would I go about disabling data?
Nov 16 19:02:26 <bnovc> he just told you how
Nov 16 19:03:25 <Ddss> I don't have a data pack..
Nov 16 19:03:39 <EugeneK> Well get one. It's really a good idea.
Nov 16 19:04:34 <Disconnect> jbq: do you remember the cheat code to change branches w/o a full checkout?
Nov 16 19:04:46 <bnovc> Disconnect: repo init -b <branch>
Nov 16 19:05:01 <Disconnect> does that work when its already checked out?
Nov 16 19:05:03 <bnovc> yes
Nov 16 19:05:19 <Ddss> Thanks Eugene.. I disable the Data services & 3G.
Nov 16 19:05:23 <Disconnect> ok cool
Nov 16 19:05:36 <bnovc> you could also execute: repo forall -c "git checkout <branch>" if you felt better about it
Nov 16 19:05:39 * Disconnect thought that only worked for new checkouts. :)
Nov 16 19:05:49 <bnovc> nope, and `repo init` by itself can be used to change your name and email
Nov 16 19:06:00 <Disconnect> EugeneK: evidently "go read what he said" was way more useful than the "what he said" part :)
Nov 16 19:06:04 <bnovc> (which tons of people at work have somehow managed to screw up, so I have them run it all the time)
Nov 16 19:06:10 <Disconnect> heh
Nov 16 19:06:29 <EugeneK> Disconnect - I find that spreading obviousities is sometimes easier than explaining http://www.lmgtfy.com
Nov 16 19:06:42 <EugeneK> ie, "quit trying to do something retarded"
Nov 16 19:07:01 <Ddss> EugeneK - Is there a big difference between 1.5 and 1.6?
Nov 16 19:07:14 <Disconnect> EugeneK: actually it wasn't even that much, now that i look again. bnovc was the "go read"..
Nov 16 19:07:28 <EugeneK> Ddss - yeah. 1.6 is about .1 better.
Nov 16 19:07:59 <Ddss> Your such a faggot. Seriously.
Nov 16 19:08:08 <EugeneK> Success!
Nov 16 19:08:14 <Disconnect> lol
Nov 16 19:08:18 <EugeneK> I was being dead serious, too.
Nov 16 19:08:22 <EugeneK> It is about .1 better.
Nov 16 19:08:30 <EugeneK> In, well, every way.
Nov 16 19:08:41 <Disconnect> so far the new cyanogen (mostly with the new dalvik) is a ton better than 1.6 was.
Nov 16 19:09:33 <Disconnect> still randomly resets the volume to default tho. (even while showing the vibrate-only icon :( ..)
Nov 16 19:10:32 <EugeneK> I like the new icons.
Nov 16 19:10:34 <EugeneK> They're nifty.
Nov 16 19:11:09 <EugeneK> The brightness is being odd.
Nov 16 19:11:14 <Disconnect> i'm soso with the icons
Nov 16 19:16:40 <neoeldex> Hey guys, I'm having problems connecting to my N router.
Nov 16 19:16:54 <neoeldex> ofcourse i have the channels mixed.
Nov 16 19:17:07 <RJarett> are you N with A B or G base channels?
Nov 16 19:17:31 <neoeldex> I have a linksys wrt160N
Nov 16 19:18:08 <neoeldex> I can select mixed(current setting), b-g mixed, n only, g only, b only
Nov 16 19:18:30 <neoeldex> b-g mixed works. But i don't want to permanently have to use that setting
Nov 16 19:20:46 <RJarett> then tell linksys to add b or g channel compatibility with N
Nov 16 19:21:23 <Jengoris> 3d fractals are pretty
Nov 16 19:21:35 <Jengoris> too much processing time for todays PCs though :(
Nov 16 19:21:53 <neoeldex> A friend of my uses an Iphone, he has also no N function on that. but it works fine with his
Nov 16 19:22:35 <neoeldex> So the problem lies with android, which is probably unable to connect to a router with N enabled (and b and g)
Nov 16 19:23:07 <Disconnect> he can connect to that -exact- router?
Nov 16 19:23:08 * kuku1 is looking for a developer for a small internal app.
Nov 16 19:23:08 <RJarett> mine works with N routers (cisco 1252)
Nov 16 19:23:14 <neoeldex> yup
Nov 16 19:23:22 <neoeldex> he's right here
Nov 16 19:23:50 <MxCx> hey guys where can you check out android apps without an android phone?
Nov 16 19:23:59 <Jengoris> You cant
Nov 16 19:24:05 <Jengoris> unless you cheat
Nov 16 19:24:08 <RJarett> MxCx: the emulator, and manually installing them
Nov 16 19:24:10 <Jengoris> and get an emulator which is slow and laggy
Nov 16 19:25:16 <kuku1> Anyone from poland in here ?
Nov 16 19:25:17 <MxCx> ahh ok thanks
Nov 16 19:25:21 <MxCx> I'm in Poland
Nov 16 19:25:26 <Disconnect> MxCx: androlib.com
Nov 16 19:25:40 <kuku1> are you a developer ?
Nov 16 19:25:56 <MxCx> definitely not
Nov 16 19:26:14 <bnovc> "Ddss | Your such a faggot. Seriously." -- highlight of my day
Nov 16 19:26:36 <droid001> jbq: repo sync works now, thanks!
Nov 16 19:26:54 <jbq> I didn't do anything :D
Nov 16 19:27:14 <Disconnect> http://feeds.tuaw.com/click.phdo?i=2325fc4dc98e34c3a971a30217a054a4 <-- one place where iphone beats the pants off android: user privacy. (witness newsrob, which just admitted to gathering very detailed user stats from every user without warning)
Nov 16 19:27:51 <bnovc> need to run all your apps in VMs :)
Nov 16 19:28:12 <xorl> Disconnect: doesn't really beat it.
Nov 16 19:28:24 <xorl> Disconnect: You authorize the app to access that stuff when you install it.
Nov 16 19:28:34 <xorl> The installer knows what api functions are being called.
Nov 16 19:28:40 <grindking> i blame apple
Nov 16 19:28:48 <Disconnect> xorl: except you don't. "connect to the internet" .. well gee, who'd have thought that a google reader client would need to hit the internet..?
Nov 16 19:28:49 <xorl> blatently throws it in your face when you click "Install"
Nov 16 19:29:02 <xorl> errr
Nov 16 19:29:03 <xorl> they do?
Nov 16 19:29:15 <xorl> they say "System Access" "User Details" and "Internet Access"
Nov 16 19:29:18 <xorl> when you authorize them...
Nov 16 19:29:31 <RJarett> if people hit yes... eh fine. they accepted their privacy going away
Nov 16 19:29:33 <xorl> You literally have the choice when you install the apps.
Nov 16 19:29:42 <grindking> rjarett: yep
Nov 16 19:29:46 <xorl> It's not up to the app store, it's up to the users
Nov 16 19:29:55 <xorl> They are told what's being accessed on install.
Nov 16 19:29:55 <droid001> jbq: any plans to merge the jdk1.6 support, someone posted in the ml?
Nov 16 19:29:56 <RJarett> same idiots talk loudly in public about stupid topics.  or post everything abotu themselves on facebook
Nov 16 19:30:04 <xorl> RJarett: exactly.
Nov 16 19:30:18 <xorl> They refuse to have an app post there shit online, except they use gmail and there on facebook 99% of the day.
Nov 16 19:30:27 <neoeldex> So does no one knows how to connect to a N enabled router?
Nov 16 19:30:35 <Disconnect> er, show me where this says "send detailed stats to the author" http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-newsrob-wmq.aspx
Nov 16 19:30:39 <xorl> neoeldex: Are you only broadcasting N?
Nov 16 19:30:41 <RJarett> neoeldex: are you sure you got the password right?
Nov 16 19:30:45 <MxCx> disconnect: this site is great, can i download these apps or is it just showing me whats available on the android market?
Nov 16 19:30:56 <neoeldex> I am not only broadcasting N
Nov 16 19:31:00 <RJarett> what are "detailed stats"?
Nov 16 19:31:15 <neoeldex> I never get to see the network when I enable N on the router..
Nov 16 19:31:37 <neoeldex> If I only enable B and G, There I can see/connect to the network
Nov 16 19:31:37 <RJarett> do you see the connection icon when on it?
Nov 16 19:31:45 <RJarett> theres multiple level of possible issues
Nov 16 19:31:57 <Disconnect> lets see. "internet". ok, sure, its a net app client. "wake" well yah, scheduled updates. network and phone state. a little fuzzy, but required for "only sync on wifi" and "only sync on AC". "vibrate".. duh. "access external storage" .. yah, cuz where else to save articles?
Nov 16 19:31:58 <RJarett> plus which phone are you using?
Nov 16 19:32:34 <Disconnect> MxCx: just view. there is no official site at all (that one is reverse engineered) and the whole point of not being able to get market other than from google devices is that you can't get the apps w/o it
Nov 16 19:32:34 <neoeldex> Rjarett?? are you talking to me?
Nov 16 19:32:44 <RJarett> yes
Nov 16 19:32:44 <neoeldex> I am using a htc hero
Nov 16 19:32:46 <RJarett> which phone
Nov 16 19:33:03 <UukGoblin> hi :-)
Nov 16 19:33:36 <MxCx> disconnect: oh ok, so when i have my phone i just scan the bar code and can download it then?
Nov 16 19:33:38 <RJarett> First off, if you use a wireless N router or access point, you should know that the Hero (and most other phones) can be notoriously fickle when connecting to wireless N devices.  Happily, most folks do seem to be able get the phone connected with a little perseverance.  If you use an N device, make sure that you turn on B/G Compatibility mode if the device supports it in it's settings. 
Nov 16 19:33:43 <RJarett> http://www.thisandroidlife.com/2009/10/tips-troubleshooting-htc-hero-wi-fi.html
Nov 16 19:33:43 <RJarett> its that phones issue not android
Nov 16 19:33:44 <Disconnect> xorl: and nowhere in that list (or in the app, or anywhere except buried in an unrelated blog posting) does it say "collect identified usage data". every click, every move through the app, etc. pretty much every interaction, plus data on all your feeds, stories, etc.
Nov 16 19:33:45 <UukGoblin> I've just got a shiny new android dev phone 1 and I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to use it without a sim... so I found a tutorial here: http://seanpfeifer.objive.com/2008/12/android-dev-phone-1-opensuse-no-sim.html but when I try to insert to that table I get: SQL error: not an error
Nov 16 19:34:07 <Disconnect> MxCx: pretty much. or use the on-device client.
Nov 16 19:34:08 <RJarett> alot of tips on that site
Nov 16 19:34:16 <kuku1> Can I capture signatures with an android ?
Nov 16 19:34:37 <punk-ass> android lets apps steal your phone number and esn/meid/imei, and it comes with the same permissions as getting the state of phone calls "read phone state and identity" - or at least nobody has corrected me if this is wrong, I love android but this is disgusting
Nov 16 19:35:17 <RJarett> hows that any different than using a grocery rewards card?
Nov 16 19:35:26 <punk-ass> almost all apps seem to want to know the phone state (to not creash when someone calls) but almost none need your identity
Nov 16 19:35:45 <piroko> punk-ass: So far as we know!
Nov 16 19:35:47 <Disconnect> RJarett: bad example. you get a page of privacy info with the rewards card.
Nov 16 19:36:19 <Disconnect> RJarett: and you can opt out and still shop, or even opt out and still get the rewards (for example, both safeway and giant food do not require you to submit the paperwork. the temp cards work indefinitely.)
Nov 16 19:36:20 <poptix> OH NO, THEY GOT MY IMEI!
Nov 16 19:36:26 <RJarett> privacy is a myth...
Nov 16 19:36:36 <punk-ass> RJarett: my grocery store rewards card was filled out with fake info, and my meid can be used to access my personal information (or would if I wasn't on prepaid)
Nov 16 19:36:41 <UukGoblin> damn! I'm not root! why is that so? :-/
Nov 16 19:37:50 <UukGoblin> ah
Nov 16 19:37:53 <UukGoblin> needed to su, nice
Nov 16 19:38:10 <punkass> poptix: read many cell forums, people at at&t and verizon often boast about how they can access any of your records with data like that
Nov 16 19:39:17 <poptix> yes, because they can look up your account
Nov 16 19:39:40 <poptix> you do realize that blackberry and windows mobile expose that information to applications with no security warnings at all, right?
Nov 16 19:39:47 <punkass> im guessing google wants us to just "get used to it" so they can use it with ad tracking, but they could just as easily generate some random string after the first boot up and let programs use that as a unique identifier
Nov 16 19:39:53 <EugeneKay> You people are operating under the assumption that somebody out there *care* about your pathetic little lives.
Nov 16 19:39:54 <poptix> i haven't bothered checking the symbian API docs
Nov 16 19:40:08 <punkass> poptix: we are here because we expect better
Nov 16 19:40:18 <poptix> i think you've been drinking a little too much of the kool-aid
Nov 16 19:40:20 <punkass> you wont find many windows mobile or symbian die hards here
Nov 16 19:40:21 <EugeneKay> Really, it's a big world. Time is much better spent embezzline or such than stealing small bits of personal data that is already available from any reputable CC company fore a fee
Nov 16 19:41:01 <poptix> a lot of applications utilize IMEI/ESN/whatever as a unique identifier for software licenses
Nov 16 19:41:34 <poptix> or for various database operations where they need a unique identifier..
Nov 16 19:41:52 <punkass> there was a time when everybody used your SS# as a unique identifier, then identity theft got big, and everybody realised that they could just as easily use a number they generated themselves, and now my checks the bank gives me don't have my SS# on them
Nov 16 19:41:54 <poptix> i see your point and all, but it's stupid
Nov 16 19:41:59 <punkass> no, you are
Nov 16 19:42:08 <poptix> you can do it on a desktop under any OS just as easily
Nov 16 19:42:08 <punkass> :)
Nov 16 19:42:28 <poptix> if not via Intel's processor serial numbers, then from mac addresses, or a hundred other ways
Nov 16 19:42:35 <Jengoris> intel sucks
Nov 16 19:42:45 <poptix> even the RAM in your computer has individual serial numbers for each module
Nov 16 19:42:55 <punkass> poptix: give us your meid/imei
Nov 16 19:42:58 <punkass> here in the channel
Nov 16 19:43:01 <poptix> sure
Nov 16 19:43:20 <joink> it's a pain to key in though :P
Nov 16 19:43:26 <poptix> 358265012155401
Nov 16 19:43:52 <piroko> poptix: CLONED
Nov 16 19:43:58 <poptix> OH GNOES
Nov 16 19:44:06 <poptix> whatever will i do.
Nov 16 19:44:22 <punkass> at least you stuck to your argument
Nov 16 19:44:36 <piroko> poptix: First, you're gonna call a GAY SEX HOTLINE
Nov 16 19:44:46 <piroko> poptix: Then, CHINA
Nov 16 19:44:51 <piroko> For THREE DAYS
Nov 16 19:44:53 <poptix> hopefully it's one that we host!
Nov 16 19:45:00 <RJarett> then a chinese gay sex hotline?
Nov 16 19:45:01 <poptix> good thing work pays for my phone bill.
Nov 16 19:45:07 <piroko> RJarett: YES
Nov 16 19:45:24 <EugeneKay> I prefer Thailand for my gay sex hotlines
Nov 16 19:45:30 <EugeneKay> At least they're authentic ladyboys there.
Nov 16 19:45:48 <punkass> but in the end poptix, you have no argument, because android doesn't need to tie unrelated things like phone state and phone identity together
Nov 16 19:45:58 <punkass> if i want to let paypal see my identity, thats one thing
Nov 16 19:46:08 <keesj> off-topic?
Nov 16 19:46:23 <punkass> if i want a game to know if someone is calling me, i should be able to let it pause gracefully, and not have to give them my meid at the same time
Nov 16 19:47:19 <EugeneKay> You could, you know, not install games that request such info.
Nov 16 19:47:22 <EugeneKay> Just as a thought.
Nov 16 19:47:40 <Disconnect> EugeneKay: thats the point though. there is no way to tell.
Nov 16 19:47:40 <punkass> thanks, but you seem to have missed the point
Nov 16 19:47:58 <punkass> they need one piece of info (phone state) to not crash
Nov 16 19:47:59 <Disconnect> EugeneKay: go look at the list i wrote above. there is nothing in that list that says "reports tons of user data"
Nov 16 19:48:02 <punkass> almost all games require that
Nov 16 19:48:26 <Disconnect> punkass: or in this case, its needed to know whether its on ac or not.
Nov 16 19:48:32 <poptix> i'm pretty sure you need more than the IMEI to do anything
Nov 16 19:48:33 <EugeneKay> I've been meaning to write a program called Brick My Phone
Nov 16 19:48:39 <poptix> you know, like the SIM card
Nov 16 19:48:46 <poptix> (or at least, the information on it =)
Nov 16 19:49:07 <EugeneKay> Which will, upon install, delete everything, flash a Rick Astley MP3 to your radio image, and lock your phone up with all the radios on full blast to ddrain your battery
Nov 16 19:49:08 <punkass> what about cdma (and dont give me the ignorant cdma sucks rant, its been played out already)
Nov 16 19:49:13 <EugeneKay> I wonder how many downloads I'll get.
Nov 16 19:49:15 <punkass> the meid is the sim card in the cdma world
Nov 16 19:50:39 <poptix> i'm pretty sure that's not true either =)
Nov 16 19:50:51 <punkass> im pretty sure (entirely sure) you are wrong
Nov 16 19:51:09 <poptix> it's essentially a 56bit serial number
Nov 16 19:51:13 <poptix> not an authentication key
Nov 16 19:51:27 <punkass> it is the first link in the chain
Nov 16 19:52:01 <punkass> in my case, it is all of the information you would need to swap my prepay account to another phone
Nov 16 19:52:27 <poptix> by doing what, calling up the provider and pretending to be you?
Nov 16 19:52:44 <punkass> and as i said before, it isnt like there is a shortage of random strings, they can be generated for free
Nov 16 19:52:49 <poptix> you're getting pretty far fetched here
Nov 16 19:52:57 <punkass> you dont have to pretend anything, they dont know who i am
Nov 16 19:53:28 <punkass> there are web sites out there that convert ESN/MEID from hex to binary simply to steal them for cloning
Nov 16 19:53:40 <poptix> okay, so it sounds like you pay a certain price for your anonymity since you won't give them any other way to authenticate you
Nov 16 19:53:44 <punkass> i'll bet apps like that will end up in the app store if they arent there already
Nov 16 19:53:44 <jnwhiteh> Is the droid running eclair as originally advertised?
Nov 16 19:53:52 <pfn> of course
Nov 16 19:54:34 <AbortRetryFail> why do you need an app to see your MEID?
Nov 16 19:54:50 <punkass> it sounds like you pay a certain price to not admit that allowing games to know the state of your phone shouldnt be lumped in with giving access to unrelated data - keep it seperated and everybody would be happy
Nov 16 19:54:54 <AbortRetryFail> most phones have a way to just view it. On the Motorola Droid it's *#06#
Nov 16 19:54:57 <RJarett> my droid runs cheese danish.
Nov 16 19:55:01 <punkass> i cant keep arguing something so simple, i have other things to do
Nov 16 19:55:04 <Jengoris> heh.
Nov 16 19:55:05 <poptix> punkass: okay, so cdma, prepaid phones, with extremely paranoid users, who install applications allowed to access that information.. are at risk for having their device cloned
Nov 16 19:55:16 <poptix> sounds like user error to me.
Nov 16 19:55:50 <poptix> and i'm pretty sure you're still missing an important component =)
Nov 16 19:55:59 <punkass> and as i also said before, this applies to postpaid people too, there is no privacy once someone knows your meid
Nov 16 19:56:13 <punkass> vzw employees often brag about it when someone slips and posts it
Nov 16 19:56:29 <poptix> you're on crack.
Nov 16 19:56:44 <poptix> please go read the appropriate implementation documentation for CDMA and GSM networks
Nov 16 19:56:52 <punkass> you keep ignoring the most important point in all of this, the two things are UNRELATED
Nov 16 19:56:57 <punkass> thats what people are complaining about
Nov 16 19:57:01 <punkass> hah
Nov 16 19:57:06 <punkass> trust me I understand CDMA
Nov 16 19:57:15 <poptix> come back when you can make valid points that aren't backed up by supposed unnamed verizon employees
Nov 16 19:57:18 <punkass> GSM i know little about, i'll admit that
Nov 16 19:57:39 <RJarett> you arent concerned with the govt infecting people with vaccines like swine flu?  but you worry about someone knowing your phone #?
Nov 16 19:57:47 <poptix> MEID is just a 56 bit ESN, because we ran out of ESNs
Nov 16 19:57:59 <AbortRetryFail> ^
Nov 16 19:58:02 <poptix> it's not some mystical secret code
Nov 16 19:58:11 <punkass> so the cdma documentation explains how privacy is handled at verizon?
Nov 16 19:58:23 <punkass> you are a troll
Nov 16 19:58:26 <AbortRetryFail> No it's just a unique identifier for a specific piece of hardware.
Nov 16 19:58:36 <poptix> use your brain, it's a *serial number*, it's easy to generate, if that's all you needed it would be absolutely trivial to clone random handsets
Nov 16 19:58:38 <AbortRetryFail> nothing mystical about it.
Nov 16 19:58:57 <AbortRetryFail> poptix: the hard part is setting it, not getting it.
Nov 16 19:58:59 <AbortRetryFail> :)
Nov 16 19:59:09 <punkass> im not losing sleep over it, i know the chances of anything bad happening are slim, but I still fail to see why phone state and identity need to be linked in android permissions
Nov 16 19:59:17 <poptix> AbortRetryFail: yeah, for the sake of this argument i'm assuming a dev handset
Nov 16 19:59:23 <punkass> and since you keep going off on paranoia tangents, this conversation is useless
Nov 16 19:59:29 <AbortRetryFail> poptix: you can set the MEID on a dev handset?
Nov 16 19:59:44 <poptix> AbortRetryFail: on some, particularly ones built with FPGAs
Nov 16 19:59:51 <AbortRetryFail> I might have to get ahold of one
Nov 16 19:59:53 <AbortRetryFail> ah ok nvm
Nov 16 20:00:00 <poptix> i didn't mean android dev handsets
Nov 16 20:00:10 <poptix> i mean something stolen from a phone manufactuer =P
Nov 16 20:00:21 <AbortRetryFail> yeah that makes more sense.
Nov 16 20:00:34 <punkass> you can change it on plenty of phones with cdma workshop and similar software
Nov 16 20:00:39 <punkass> no need for dev handsets
Nov 16 20:00:48 <punkass> and also, nobody here worrying about cloned phones
Nov 16 20:00:53 <poptix> yes, like i said, for the sake of this argument I dropped that point
Nov 16 20:01:07 <AbortRetryFail> OK now im interested.
Nov 16 20:01:13 <poptix> punkass: quick, hide the VIN on your car, someone might CLONE IT
Nov 16 20:01:37 <punkass> so what about this argument poptix, a game that needs to know your phone state doesnt need your phone identity too, yes or no?
Nov 16 20:01:37 <poptix> that's essentially how you're coming across.
Nov 16 20:01:48 <AbortRetryFail> poptix: the difference here is that nobody's going to ring up tickets in your name and a gas bill just by cloning your VIN ;)
Nov 16 20:01:54 <Disconnect> poptix: except i can't take your vin and charge a bunch of tolls to you..
Nov 16 20:02:04 <punkass> thats how the person you have imagined up to argue with is coming across
Nov 16 20:02:23 <punkass> i bit on a few of your trolls just so it wouldnt look like i was ignoring good points from you
Nov 16 20:02:27 <poptix> punkass: that's fine, and i would agree that if it's doable it should be seperate. but when you back up your position with paranoid, uneducated fantasies.. nobody is going to listen
Nov 16 20:02:28 <Majost> anyone know if there is a quick & easy way to mark email as spam in the standard e-mail app on the droid?
Nov 16 20:02:57 <poptix> Disconnect: you can't do it with only an ESN/MEID/etc either
Nov 16 20:03:37 <punkass> poptix: some of those are potential and real concerns people could have
Nov 16 20:03:51 <punkass> unless you are a celebrity or something, the odds are pretty slim of it happening to you
Nov 16 20:04:19 <AbortRetryFail> Majost: "mark as spam" is a Gmail feature, the normal email app isn't going to have it because it's not supported by the underlying protocols (POP3, IMAP etc.)
Nov 16 20:04:22 <pfn> Majost, that depends on your email provider--I wish I had the same capability, too
Nov 16 20:04:28 <poptix> punkass: i'm not talking about odds, i'm talking about having the proper information to actually clone a phone
Nov 16 20:04:38 <poptix> the serial number of a phone is simply insufficient to gain network access
Nov 16 20:04:41 <pfn> since my underlying provider behind imap has a mark as spam capability, but can't use it from android
Nov 16 20:04:46 <pfn> unless I go and write my own email client
Nov 16 20:04:48 <pfn> which I do not want to do
Nov 16 20:04:51 <punkass> with CDMA, the MEID isn't enough in most cases, you are correct
Nov 16 20:04:58 <punkass> you would also need the AKEY
Nov 16 20:05:08 <kroot> only in India
Nov 16 20:05:09 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: I don't think IMAP has a function for it, so even if the mail client did, how would it tell the server?
Nov 16 20:05:21 <Majost> AbortRetryFail, yeah -- but even if all it did was move the message to a user designated spam folder, it would be nice
Nov 16 20:05:23 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, "write my own email client"
Nov 16 20:05:37 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, that implies I would invoke the 'mark as junk' call myself
Nov 16 20:05:40 <pfn> rather than over imap
Nov 16 20:05:42 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: "you mean write your own mail client and extension to IMAP"
Nov 16 20:05:46 <punkass> if you cloned the MEID and AKEY, you could dial *228 and the rest of the programming would be filled in for you
Nov 16 20:05:49 <kroot> pfn: Zimbra?
Nov 16 20:05:53 <pfn> kroot, yes
Nov 16 20:05:56 <AbortRetryFail> since that's how the client communicates with the server.
Nov 16 20:06:00 <pfn> kroot, how'd you guess?
Nov 16 20:06:01 <poptix> punkass: okay, and where in the Android API do you see the AKEY being exposed
Nov 16 20:06:04 <punkass> and i seriously doubt android apps can access the AKEY
Nov 16 20:06:08 <kroot> pfn: I use the same.
Nov 16 20:06:11 * dragon got an HTC Hero - the use of hangup button for unlocking is making life hard. I'm on a call and need to unlock. ShakeAwake isn't functioning either, probably because of the headset. Ideas?
Nov 16 20:06:13 <pfn> kroot, indeed
Nov 16 20:06:24 <kroot> punkass: don't you need the OTA data NAI/pass
Nov 16 20:06:27 <pfn> kroot, yeah, I really wish I had a good way to mark spam, too bad simply moving to junk isn't sufficient
Nov 16 20:06:46 <punkass> kroot: no, you get them from *228 in the first place, and *228 doesnt use "data"
Nov 16 20:07:09 <kroot> pfn: Forward to the spam.blahblah address..
Nov 16 20:07:09 <pfn> kroot, hmm, looks like the default mail client doesn't even do move to folder, heh
Nov 16 20:07:10 <AbortRetryFail> punkass: aren't they sent to the handset via sms, like how the voicemail notifications work?
Nov 16 20:07:19 <pfn> kroot, that's kind of a pita
Nov 16 20:07:21 <kroot> punkass: It uses beep boop codes?!
Nov 16 20:07:27 <poptix> pfn: what mail client are you using on the desktop, and how are you seeing this 'mark as spam' functionality
Nov 16 20:07:39 <poptix> pfn: i'm trying to determine how the interaction works over IMAP
Nov 16 20:07:46 <pfn> there is no interaction over imap
Nov 16 20:07:52 <Majost> poptix, I use thunderbird
Nov 16 20:07:52 <pfn> it's rather provider specific
Nov 16 20:08:00 <punkass> AbortRetryFail: SMS is also sent through the control channel, so in a way yes
Nov 16 20:08:01 <Majost> and my mailserver uses spamassassin
Nov 16 20:08:02 <pfn> thunderbird's mark as spam functionality is worthless
Nov 16 20:08:15 <poptix> pfn: yeah, i meant for server tagging, not client
Nov 16 20:08:17 <kroot> punkass: I've never used VZ, but I figured *228 just triggered the profile 0 connection to get the profile 1 info.
Nov 16 20:08:18 <Majost> pfn, I agree
Nov 16 20:08:29 <pfn> poptix, I use the zimbra web client, or zimbra desktop client
Nov 16 20:08:53 <kroot> punkass: So if you don't have the HDR user/pass, you can't use *228 because auth will fail.
Nov 16 20:08:57 <poptix> pfn: at work (i manage our mail cluster) we have a "spam" folder which customers can move messages into over IMAP, that folder is then processed with spamassassin and messages are removed from it afterwards
Nov 16 20:09:10 <Majost> pfn, which is also why I use spamassassin on the server -- but I also run sa-learn on a regular basis... so anything which does creep through can be learned from my designated spamfolder
Nov 16 20:09:13 <punkass> kroot: NAI stuff probably didn't exist when we first started using *228
Nov 16 20:09:33 <poptix> pfn: ah, well it sounds like you're SOL if they're controlling the server and client, ask them to either document the API or write their own android client
Nov 16 20:09:43 <punkass> kroot: MIP stuff is relatively new, you are putting the cart before the horse
Nov 16 20:11:02 <pfn> poptix, I never said I'm sol--I said I need to write my own client
Nov 16 20:11:10 <pfn> it's not standard in any email client
Nov 16 20:11:18 <pfn> poptix, their apis are documented
Nov 16 20:11:34 <AbortRetryFail> isn't zimbra open sores?
Nov 16 20:11:39 <pfn> Majost, indeed, zimbra does that automatically
Nov 16 20:11:44 <pfn> and yes, most of zimbra is open source
Nov 16 20:11:48 <Majost> pfn, what is needed is a client with Sieve support
Nov 16 20:12:31 <pfn> Majost, doesn't do much for spam support, though...
Nov 16 20:13:04 <poptix> that's something i'd prefer to not have in my android email client =p
Nov 16 20:13:22 <pfn> poptix, indeed
Nov 16 20:13:36 <dragon> is there a way to map a different key to the lock/unlock functionality?
Nov 16 20:13:51 <dragon> hangup key isn't working out for several including me
Nov 16 20:14:28 <jasta> dragon: with a rooted phone, sure.
Nov 16 20:14:30 * poptix shrugs
Nov 16 20:14:42 <dragon> jasta: how do I know if my phone is rooted?
Nov 16 20:14:52 <pfn> if you don't know, it hasn't been
Nov 16 20:15:04 <poptix> my position is unusual because I can just procmail everything on the server
Nov 16 20:15:06 <dragon> jasta: and what does rooted mean?
Nov 16 20:15:14 <jasta> nevermind
Nov 16 20:15:16 <pfn> kroot, have you figured out a way to get your zimbra calendar into gmail yet?  or into android?
Nov 16 20:15:16 <poptix> dragon: see topic? go to #android-root
Nov 16 20:15:22 <pfn> kroot, or do you use activesync?
Nov 16 20:15:22 <mikey|g1> is the eclair emulator slow for anyone else?
Nov 16 20:15:22 <dragon> sounds like iPhone's jailbreaker..
Nov 16 20:15:25 <kroot> pfn: I use the ActiveSync extension
Nov 16 20:15:32 <mikey|g1> i mean really slow
Nov 16 20:15:39 <pfn> kroot, yeah, that makes life easy...
Nov 16 20:15:45 <pfn> kroot, but I don't have it at home  :(
Nov 16 20:15:59 <dragon> poptix: Go to #android-root for what? For asking what rooted means?
Nov 16 20:16:22 * poptix shakes head
Nov 16 20:16:55 * pfn hates notifications in the default email client
Nov 16 20:16:57 <pfn> they're so worthless
Nov 16 20:17:05 <pfn> if you're at a computer
Nov 16 20:17:17 <pfn> they get confused and give a very weird unread mail count
Nov 16 20:17:47 <AbortRetryFail> sounds like a problem with your mail server. Mine has no issues with unread mail.
Nov 16 20:17:55 <pfn> it's not the mail server
Nov 16 20:18:14 <pfn> the problem is the android client keeps saying there's unread mail, and the count goes out of wack if you read mail from multiple sources
Nov 16 20:18:16 <pfn> s/from/at
Nov 16 20:18:22 <pfn> e.g. you read email on your computer
Nov 16 20:18:29 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: only for the time between syncs
Nov 16 20:18:39 <pfn> not the behavior I've seen
Nov 16 20:18:40 <AbortRetryFail> which is about 10-20 sec for me.
Nov 16 20:18:51 <pfn> e.g. I get a notification of new email on android
Nov 16 20:18:55 <pfn> I go read the email on my computer
Nov 16 20:19:01 <pfn> a new mail comes in, and I read it on my computer
Nov 16 20:19:04 <AbortRetryFail> try it with multiple IMAP clients on your PC and see if you get the same behaviour, it might be the server.
Nov 16 20:19:14 <pfn> a few minutes later, android comes back and says 2 new unread emails
Nov 16 20:19:25 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, I used to run thunderbird in multiple locations
Nov 16 20:19:26 <pfn> no problem
Nov 16 20:19:30 <AbortRetryFail> Oh, you want it to clear the notification on your handset?
Nov 16 20:19:35 <pfn> if I read in one thunderbird, the other thunderbird shows the email as read
Nov 16 20:19:38 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, yes
Nov 16 20:19:42 <AbortRetryFail> It's the notification thats out of date, not the unread mail count.
Nov 16 20:19:44 <poptix> punkass: http://smallbusiness.vzw.com/PDF_White_Papers/SecurityWP.pdf
Nov 16 20:19:47 <pfn> or I want the notification to show the actual amount of unread
Nov 16 20:20:01 <pfn> and I want notifications to only appear on unread mail
Nov 16 20:20:04 <poptix> punkass: looks like vzw does give clear details about authentication/security in their network, check page 10
Nov 16 20:20:05 <pfn> not *new unread mail*
Nov 16 20:20:23 <AbortRetryFail> why notify on unread mail? that would get annoying.
Nov 16 20:20:50 <pfn> the logic seems to be very basic, "if (inbox_size > old_inbox_size) notify("new unread messages: " + inbox_size - old_inbox_size)
Nov 16 20:20:57 <AbortRetryFail> then even though i've opened my inbox, and don't want to read this message yet (because our server sends read receipts) I have to deal with a blinking light that may mean nothing or may mean i have a new e-mail
Nov 16 20:21:04 <poptix> pfn: what client are you using right now anyway
Nov 16 20:21:13 <AbortRetryFail> the current behaviour makes sense, the incorrect count doesnt though.
Nov 16 20:21:16 <pfn> poptix, most of the time I use the zimbra web client these days
Nov 16 20:21:28 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, I only want it to notify on *new unread messages*
Nov 16 20:21:29 <optedoblivion> And also, what if you moved a message to the inbox, that was already marked as read?
Nov 16 20:21:32 <poptix> pfn: okay, but what android client are you using
Nov 16 20:21:40 <pfn> the behavior it does not is notify on *any new message* (read or unread)
Nov 16 20:21:49 <pfn> poptix, oem email client in 2.0
Nov 16 20:21:57 <pfn> optedoblivion, yeah, it notifies on that, too
Nov 16 20:21:59 <poptix> pfn: yeah, try k-9 mail
Nov 16 20:22:00 <pfn> it's very annoying
Nov 16 20:22:05 <pfn> poptix, yeah, I've been considering that
Nov 16 20:22:13 <pfn> why isn't k9mail in the market?
Nov 16 20:22:29 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: it notifies if it receives the message while it's unread
Nov 16 20:22:40 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, I don't think I've seen it behave that way
Nov 16 20:22:45 <AbortRetryFail> if i catch the mail as soon as it hits my inbox and read it, i dont get a notification on the phone.
Nov 16 20:22:47 <optedoblivion> Side Note: I can't find Layar or the ADC2 app in the market....
Nov 16 20:22:47 <pfn> either that or there's a race condition
Nov 16 20:22:48 <poptix> pfn: you'll find it's much faster (supports IMAP IDLE which is effectively push email), and it does a better job at handling read/unread notifications
Nov 16 20:22:55 <AbortRetryFail> it is a race condition
Nov 16 20:22:59 <poptix> pfn: not sure, it should be.. i'd recommend the latest beta though
Nov 16 20:23:07 <pfn> poptix, yeah, I guess I'll install it
Nov 16 20:23:19 <poptix> pfn: http://code.google.com/p/k9mail/downloads/list
Nov 16 20:23:28 <AbortRetryFail> There's a reason i fussed with this so much to get exchange activesync working
Nov 16 20:23:37 <AbortRetryFail> :)
Nov 16 20:23:49 <pfn> activesync works a lot nicer
Nov 16 20:23:53 <punkass> poptix: not sure what you are pointing out, i told you it would be difficult to clone someones phone on VZW without the AKEY (and especially while their phone is powered on!) but this is the least likely scenario
Nov 16 20:23:56 <AbortRetryFail> yes it does
Nov 16 20:24:04 <AbortRetryFail> and the corporate directory app is sweet
Nov 16 20:24:19 <optedoblivion> si
Nov 16 20:24:19 <pfn> poptix, what's the diff 'tween release channel and beta channel?
Nov 16 20:24:27 <punkass> poptix: lots of people want ESN/MEID info to clone a phone to be used on another network (which wouldn't know the AKEY anyway, so there is no need for it to be valid)
Nov 16 20:24:27 <optedoblivion> I'm loving the exchange support on the droid
Nov 16 20:24:51 <pfn> kroot, have you been following the activesync bug in zimbra?
Nov 16 20:25:04 <poptix> pfn: the release channel is a bit more careful about being super stable, though it looks like they're the same code at the moment, feel free to go with the release channel
Nov 16 20:25:27 <punkass> poptix: but all of this is theoretical and irrelevant, my concern is with the fact that phone info and identity are linked, the rest of this stuff isn't a big concern to me at all
Nov 16 20:25:47 <kroot> pfn: No, got a URL?
Nov 16 20:25:47 <punkass> poptix: er phone state and identity - unrelated things linked in the permissions
Nov 16 20:26:03 <poptix> punkass: okay, so come up with a better argument to back up your position and submit it to google
Nov 16 20:26:22 <poptix> i'm sure a lot of people will support it as long as you don't come across as paranoid delusional
Nov 16 20:27:45 <pfn> kroot, trying to find it
Nov 16 20:28:00 <punkass> poptix: i could make a big list of theoretical things that could be done with the ESN/MEID, but it doesn't really matter, the fact remains that there is no need to link these two things, I'm fine with them giving access to my phone identity - keep it on its own and I will give it to paypal but not "Splat! Bugs" the big squising game (yes, it needs phone identity along with state)
Nov 16 20:28:11 <Jengoris> Dreaming!
Nov 16 20:28:14 <Jengoris> Oh...
Nov 16 20:28:16 <Jengoris> The humanity!
Nov 16 20:28:25 <punkass> poptix: the paranoid delusional stuff is your creation, if you want theoretical stuff I can come up with it, but it is simply not relevant
Nov 16 20:29:04 <poptix> punkass: you pretty clearly said 'oh my god people can clone your phone because android gives them the IMEI/MEID!'
Nov 16 20:29:12 <poptix> that is false, and paranoid.
Nov 16 20:29:19 <kuku1> Failed to fetch URL https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/repository.xml, reason: HTTPS SSL error. You might want to force download through HTTP in the settings.  <<< I get this during sdk install
Nov 16 20:29:20 <pfn> kroot, http://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=42482
Nov 16 20:29:22 <poptix> now please move along
Nov 16 20:29:34 <punkass> poptix: they can, on another network that doesn't know your AKEY
Nov 16 20:29:38 <punkass> it is common
Nov 16 20:29:45 <poptix> kuku1: force download through HTTP in the settings.
Nov 16 20:29:50 <poptix> punkass: no, they cannot
Nov 16 20:30:00 <punkass> if you are going to be arrogant and rude, please try to be correct
Nov 16 20:30:08 <kuku1> poptix: right, thats what I read online. but cant find settings file. Running this in vista.
Nov 16 20:30:10 <poptix> punkass: it's bidirectional authentication, the authentication request is forwarded to the home system to authorize the handset
Nov 16 20:30:30 <poptix> kuku1: it's not a settings file, it's one of the buttons in the application there
Nov 16 20:31:11 <poptix> actually, it's not even a button, it's in the left list and it says.. 'Settings'
Nov 16 20:31:13 <punkass> poptix: this doesnt apply when the AKEY is being set, the only thing that applies is the ESN/MEID
Nov 16 20:31:20 <poptix> right under 'Available Packages' and above 'About'
Nov 16 20:31:24 <punkass> the first time a foreign phone is on the network, the AKEY is not known
Nov 16 20:32:11 <punkass> if you take a stolen verizon phone (banned ESN/MEID on it) and put a good foreign ESN/MEID on it, verizon will not know if the AKEY is correct or not, and probably just generate a new one for it
Nov 16 20:33:07 <punkass> it is rare but it happens, again this is mostly just theoretical though and I am just humoring you
Nov 16 20:33:13 <punkass> my concern is the permissions thing only
Nov 16 20:34:09 <punkass> when I put my sprint touch pro on verizon, there is no way verizon could have known if the AKEY on it was correct or not, really there is no "correct" in a situation like that
Nov 16 20:34:24 <punkass> it was correct for the Sprint network, but that didn't really matter
Nov 16 20:34:27 <poptix> so now you're worried about someone stealing your ESN/MEID before you've even activated the phone (yet you've installed an android app and played it), then using your .. unactivated account
Nov 16 20:35:05 <poptix> obviously there's an activation flag that allows any AKEY, after the initial exchange a new one is created/exchanged and the activation flag is removed
Nov 16 20:35:37 <punkass> i dont think you understand what I am saying
Nov 16 20:35:38 <poptix> except if someone did that to you, however extremely unlikely it is to begin with, *your* phone would not work because it had the wrong AKEY
Nov 16 20:35:55 <poptix> at which point you would immediately call and tell them your new phone isn't activating at all and you've never been able to use it
Nov 16 20:35:56 <pfn> hmm, k9mail doesn't do activesync
Nov 16 20:36:15 <poptix> pfn: what do you need activesync for, use IMAP
Nov 16 20:36:27 <pfn> poptix, calendar
Nov 16 20:36:53 <punkass> remember this is to humor you, not something that keeps me awake at night, my MEID could be used on another network, say Cricket, with a stolen Cricket phone - to make Cricket think the phone wasn't banned from their network
Nov 16 20:37:00 <poptix> fair enough, i don't think k-9 mail does any calendar stuff yet.
Nov 16 20:37:07 <punkass> but seriously, im done eating now, and I have better things to do
Nov 16 20:37:21 <punkass> if you are interested in how CDMA works, that's great, but I'm not going to teach you
Nov 16 20:37:23 <pfn> poptix, thanks for the suggestion, though, I can probably live without calendar for now
Nov 16 20:37:29 <poptix> punkass: okay, except that MEID is worthless because it's not associated to an account and has no valid AKEY
Nov 16 20:37:31 <pfn> poptix, trying to figure out a good way to get calendar imported into gmail
Nov 16 20:37:55 <poptix> punkass: your attempts at being condescending are pointless, you're wrong, find a new argument to back up your original position
Nov 16 20:38:04 <poptix> pfn: zimbra doesn't do RSS?
Nov 16 20:38:09 <poptix> er
Nov 16 20:38:11 <AbortRetryFail> poptix: its associated with an account and the phone number.
Nov 16 20:38:12 <poptix> ical
Nov 16 20:38:15 <poptix> whatever the shit is =P
Nov 16 20:38:16 <AbortRetryFail> The carrier can link them.
Nov 16 20:38:16 <punkass> reading comprehension is lacking, it isnt about stealing an account
Nov 16 20:38:21 <pfn> poptix, it does, but authentication gets in the way
Nov 16 20:38:27 <punkass> i already told you stealing an account like this is just about impossible
Nov 16 20:38:29 <pfn> poptix, and gmail also won't import if you're not on a "valid" ssl cert
Nov 16 20:38:32 <punkass> since the original phone would still be on
Nov 16 20:38:38 <pfn> since my personal mail is behind a self-signed cert
Nov 16 20:38:42 <punkass> would look a little bit weird if it was on the same network twice :)
Nov 16 20:38:57 <poptix> punkass: okay, so you've managed to get a banned handset onto the network, good for you?
Nov 16 20:39:10 <poptix> that has absolutely nothing to do with exposing someone elses IMEI
Nov 16 20:39:16 <punkass> if you get them to switch the account from one MEID to another, game over that works fine (although there should be more checks)
Nov 16 20:39:17 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: sign it with a domain controller if you have one
Nov 16 20:39:31 <punkass> but for the last time, i don't care about what people might do with the MEID
Nov 16 20:39:36 <pfn> I don't have a DC for personal mail
Nov 16 20:39:42 <punkass> to find out why, read what I wrote above
Nov 16 20:39:43 <punkass> bbl
Nov 16 20:39:46 <poptix> punkass: yes, that's social engineering and you should safeguard your account.
Nov 16 20:40:02 <AbortRetryFail> or even another server to sign it, it doesnt have to be a DC
Nov 16 20:40:06 <poptix> no amount of software will do that for you.
Nov 16 20:40:26 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, that won't help
Nov 16 20:41:08 <poptix> pfn: ssl certs are $10-15 bucks, or you could just use Pound to proxy requests (only from google) to your SSL service with the self signed cert
Nov 16 20:41:46 <poptix> actually, pound works the other direction.. stunnel via inetd would work =)
Nov 16 20:41:59 <pfn> the problem is ssl certs
Nov 16 20:42:12 <AbortRetryFail> even if it's signed by another server that can't be reached, it will at least be "valid" if untrustable
Nov 16 20:42:14 <pfn> I refuse to bow to the pressure of paying for certs, regardless of how cheap they are
Nov 16 20:42:21 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, self-signed certs are valid
Nov 16 20:42:34 <AbortRetryFail> tell that to exchange activesync lol
Nov 16 20:42:42 <AbortRetryFail> that was one of the things i had to fix.
Nov 16 20:42:46 <Riceri> When i have made a goldcard för my HTC Magic 32A where shall i go next?
Nov 16 20:42:57 <Disconnect> Riceri: probably #android-root
Nov 16 20:43:14 <Riceri> Disconnect: Sweet, thanks!
Nov 16 20:43:30 <Disconnect> the problem with selfsigned (or cacert) and android is that it is all or nothing - either you accept only signed certs (from ca's that google approved) or you allow any cert, always. (so all i need to mitm you is a cert. not the one you saw before and approved, but -any- cert.)
Nov 16 20:44:11 <AbortRetryFail> Disconnect: yeah i wasn't too happy with the lack of options there either.
Nov 16 20:44:15 <Jengoris> Factoid:
Nov 16 20:44:18 <Jengoris> You're
Nov 16 20:44:19 <Jengoris> android
Nov 16 20:44:23 <Jengoris> is dying of death
Nov 16 20:44:37 <poptix> you are android is dying of death?
Nov 16 20:44:43 <poptix> nice engrish.
Nov 16 20:44:56 <AbortRetryFail> My friend Snoofy
Nov 16 20:45:09 <Disconnect> sure is nice we have all those channel moderators they set up for days and times when googs are missing. :(
Nov 16 20:45:21 <Jengoris> heres a riddle
Nov 16 20:45:26 <Jengoris> wait
Nov 16 20:45:28 <Jengoris> ll tell it anothe rime
Nov 16 20:45:29 <johnnyzen> hi all, quick question, can a end user purchase the same app twice ?
Nov 16 20:45:51 <_Auron_> from the same account, not if they already have bought it.
Nov 16 20:46:01 <johnnyzen> Auron, even after uninstall ?
Nov 16 20:46:12 <_Auron_> if they uninstall it's listed as "purchased" after they uninstall
Nov 16 20:46:21 <_Auron_> so if they try to redownload it again, it'll verify they had purchased it before, and just download
Nov 16 20:46:27 <johnnyzen> Thanks Auron :)
Nov 16 20:46:30 <_Auron_> np
Nov 16 20:47:00 <_Auron_> however if they uninstall right after buying and do a 'refund', they aren't charged and its counted as a refund to the developer.
Nov 16 20:47:14 <_Auron_> however, if they want to buy it again, they can 'buy' it again, but they cannot refund, and will be charged in 24 hours
Nov 16 20:47:29 <_Auron_> they cannot refund after a 2nd install
Nov 16 20:47:45 <_Auron_> it is to prevent piracy and/or cheating the 24 hour system
Nov 16 20:48:02 <johnnyzen> Auron, if they refund, is the app still available to use ?
Nov 16 20:48:15 <_Auron_> no, it forces an uninstall
Nov 16 20:48:23 <johnnyzen> aha! good job :)
Nov 16 20:48:42 <_Auron_> try buying a random app on the market (even if you don't want it), then 'refund and uninstall' right after
Nov 16 20:48:51 <_Auron_> you'll not get charged, and it won't be on your phone afterward
Nov 16 20:48:54 <_Auron_> if you're curious to see how it works
Nov 16 20:49:12 <Jengoris> Fact
Nov 16 20:49:12 <johnnyzen> Auron, cant use my card at the moment :( otherwise I would have
Nov 16 20:49:33 <johnnyzen> :) Thanks again
Nov 16 20:49:36 <_Auron_> np
Nov 16 20:49:43 <pfn> how do I turn off the notifications I get when I plug my phone in to the computer?
Nov 16 20:49:47 <Majost> does anyone know why some apps need access to the phone to "read phones state and identify" -- for example, aCar
Nov 16 20:49:47 <_Auron_> just some good knowledge in how paid apps work in the market
Nov 16 20:49:48 <Jengoris> ROFL?
Nov 16 20:49:49 <pfn> or at least the notification chime
Nov 16 20:49:53 <Jengoris> Lol???
Nov 16 20:50:04 * Jengoris is confused and laughing
Nov 16 20:50:12 <Majost> I can't figure out why an app that keeps track of MPG needs any access to the phone state or the caller id
Nov 16 20:50:17 <johnnyzen> pfn: yes its annoying
Nov 16 20:50:46 <_Auron_> Majost: to check version and/or what the phone is to have different button layouts, or to poll for the different phones being used by the app. *shrug*
Nov 16 20:51:00 <noahdroid> damn, the motorola droid is *fast*.  I wonder why it's so much faster than the G1
Nov 16 20:51:05 <noahdroid> the cpu speed isn't that much higher
Nov 16 20:51:08 <noahdroid> memory bus?
Nov 16 20:51:22 <poptix> noahdroid: android 2.0, different cpu, more ram
Nov 16 20:51:31 <Majost> noahdroid, different cpu architecture
Nov 16 20:51:34 <pfn> noahdroid, clock speed cannot be compared
Nov 16 20:51:49 <jbq> Majost: it used to be that all apps had access to that with no permission - so it's assumed that apps written with an old SDK implicitly requested that permission.
Nov 16 20:51:49 <bnovc> I think its mostly from the software updates from 1.5->2.0
Nov 16 20:51:50 <MoonUnit`> X10 looks fast too
Nov 16 20:51:52 <noahdroid> even things like market downloads are faster
Nov 16 20:51:54 <Majost> Its like comparing a P4 Dual Core to a Core 2 Duo
Nov 16 20:52:18 <jbq> Much better CPU architecture, larger cache, much better memory bus, and a significantly higher clock speed in the Droid.
Nov 16 20:52:21 <noahdroid> well, on the G1, the memory bus seems to be the bottleneck
Nov 16 20:52:22 <johnnyzen> Majost: have you had  a play on a actal device ?
Nov 16 20:52:32 <Majost> I have one next to me. =)
Nov 16 20:52:41 <johnnyzen> Majost: nice
Nov 16 20:52:42 <noahdroid> now if I could just figure out how to root the thing
Nov 16 20:52:49 <noahdroid> (I know, wrong channel)
Nov 16 20:53:53 <Majost> jbq, ah... thanks! =) It's just a little disconcerting at times because I can't easily see what data is being sent out from apps on the device. (unless im on wifi)
Nov 16 20:54:45 <facelessloser> hi all
Nov 16 20:55:09 <facelessloser> could i ask a quick question
Nov 16 20:55:20 <ctate> just ask :)
Nov 16 20:55:37 <facelessloser> if you type sudo into terminal emu and get permission denied what does this mean
Nov 16 20:55:39 <perfinion> facelessloser: you just did, you can ask another too if you want
Nov 16 20:55:50 <facelessloser> lol thanks perfinion
Nov 16 20:55:56 <perfinion> facelessloser: :P
Nov 16 20:56:16 <perfinion> the default su only works from adb i think
Nov 16 20:56:31 <ctate> if at all.  right.
Nov 16 20:56:43 <facelessloser> whats adb
Nov 16 20:57:16 <ctate> the command-line android debugging tool.  it ships with the SDK.
Nov 16 20:57:28 <facelessloser> oh right i see
Nov 16 20:57:30 <Disconnect> short version: it means sudo doesn't exist. even on a rooted device there is no such thing. (try 'su'). and 'permission denied' is what the weird shell says when it can't find an app.
Nov 16 20:57:38 <ctate> it's used from a desktop computer, to which an Android device is connected via usb.
Nov 16 20:57:53 <ctate> oh *sudo*.  yeah, no such thing.
Nov 16 20:57:55 <ctate> just 'su'.
Nov 16 20:57:56 <JesusFreke> yeah, there is no sudo
Nov 16 20:58:01 <JesusFreke> or rather, "the sudo is a lie"
Nov 16 20:58:04 * ctate . o O ( only Zuul )
Nov 16 20:58:05 <facelessloser> so if i type su into the terinal emu and get # does that mean i got root
Nov 16 20:58:21 <perfinion> yup
Nov 16 20:58:26 <facelessloser> ooh i see
Nov 16 20:58:26 <JesusFreke> no. you have to play and win a game of tic-tac-toe first
Nov 16 20:58:26 <facelessloser> ]
Nov 16 20:58:34 <JesusFreke> that's what the # is for
Nov 16 20:58:37 <poptix> JesusFreke: hah.
Nov 16 20:58:52 <facelessloser> oh right that makes sence lol jesusfreke you are a legend
Nov 16 20:58:53 * pfn gives k9mail a try
Nov 16 20:58:54 <ctate> JesusFreke: http://bash.org/?9322
Nov 16 20:59:20 <facelessloser> but when i go on bluex and try to start server it says i may not have root
Nov 16 20:59:23 <JesusFreke> ctate: lol :)
Nov 16 20:59:24 <facelessloser> why is this
Nov 16 21:00:05 <JesusFreke> because the su command only works from adb shell, not from a random application on the phone
Nov 16 21:00:14 <punkass> is the "screen timeout" setting shared for both plugged in and on battery?
Nov 16 21:00:31 <facelessloser> so why doesnt bluex work
Nov 16 21:00:35 <Disconnect> punkass: mostly yes. there is a "don't disable screen on ac" thing under (bizarrely) developer options
Nov 16 21:00:35 <JesusFreke> specifically, it only allows the shell user to use the su command
Nov 16 21:00:40 <facelessloser> is it coz im on cm 4.2.5
Nov 16 21:00:40 <pfn> punkass, it appears to be, it'd be nice if there were separate timeouts
Nov 16 21:00:55 <pfn> punkass, but there's an option to always keep the screen on when plugged in
Nov 16 21:01:10 <JesusFreke> facelessloser: I have no idea what su cyanogen has on his stuff. I'm just talking about the stock su. I doubt he uses the stock su
Nov 16 21:01:22 <facelessloser> oh i see
Nov 16 21:01:35 <punkass> Disconnect and pfn: thanks!
Nov 16 21:01:38 <facelessloser> you have all been a massive help for me being such a noob
Nov 16 21:05:05 <benc1> what is the media button?
Nov 16 21:09:07 <punkass> does anybody know of a microusb cable that charges the droid no matter the power source (including car cigarette lighter usb ports) similar to this? https://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14118
Nov 16 21:09:46 <punkass> something about shorting the 5th pin, i dont remember the details
Nov 16 21:09:58 <AbortRetryFail> I noticed my Droid won't charge off my plantronics car charger...
Nov 16 21:10:41 <ctate> huh, odd.  should be a standard micro USB jack for that purpose.
Nov 16 21:10:42 <punkass> my motorola q wouldnt charge off a lot of things until I got that miniusb cable above, then it would charge off anything
Nov 16 21:11:08 <punkass> ctate: nah motorola does their own tricks to keep you on "official" chargers
Nov 16 21:11:22 <ctate> that's recently been made illegal in europe, though
Nov 16 21:11:34 <punkass> doh, im not in europe :)
Nov 16 21:11:46 <punkass> hmm that does seem odd though
Nov 16 21:11:53 <punkass> ctate: do you have the european droid?
Nov 16 21:11:58 <AbortRetryFail> http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml
Nov 16 21:12:05 <punkass> i doubt they would go through the effort of making them different, unless it is all in software
Nov 16 21:12:07 <ctate> i do not; i have a Verizon droid
Nov 16 21:12:10 <punkass> oh
Nov 16 21:12:16 <ctate> works fine with my Motorola car charger :)
Nov 16 21:12:28 <ctate> [and with my Motorola bluetooth headset's charger, fwiw]
Nov 16 21:12:52 <newguy123> does anyone know if you can use android x86 livecd with google voice?
Nov 16 21:13:01 <pfn> I'm able to use any micro-usb cable to charge my motorola phones
Nov 16 21:13:07 <pfn> I was able to use any mini-usb cable previously
Nov 16 21:13:16 <AbortRetryFail> newguy123: google voice still makes a cell phone call for voice.
Nov 16 21:13:16 <pfn> and the droid is able to charge off of these monoprice cables I just bought
Nov 16 21:13:18 <pfn> $1/ea
Nov 16 21:13:27 <pfn> I wonder if googlevoice can be used over sipdroid, heh
Nov 16 21:13:30 <punkass> pfn: plugged in to a computer?
Nov 16 21:13:33 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: talking about a car charger, not a usb cable.
Nov 16 21:13:33 <pfn> punkass, yes
Nov 16 21:13:35 <newguy123> AbortRetryFail
Nov 16 21:13:36 <pfn> oh
Nov 16 21:13:40 <punkass> pfn: ah yeah, that always works
Nov 16 21:13:46 <pfn> I assume a car charger should always work, too
Nov 16 21:13:47 * pfn shrugs
Nov 16 21:13:53 <pfn> I need a new car->usb adapter thing
Nov 16 21:13:58 <punkass> it checks for motorola drivers on a computer
Nov 16 21:14:04 <punkass> or failing that, the shorted 5th pin thing
Nov 16 21:14:06 <pfn> the one I got for my nintendo ds doesn't seem to work with real "usb" devices
Nov 16 21:14:07 <newguy123> AbortRetryFail: what about sip settings?
Nov 16 21:14:27 <AbortRetryFail> i suppose you could forward your GV calls to a sip number :)
Nov 16 21:15:49 <AbortRetryFail> punkass: my droid charges on my PC without any special drivers.
Nov 16 21:15:52 <newguy123> I was wondering if the x86 android live cd can be setup for sip or am I missing the settings? I have asterix gizmo/gvoice box
Nov 16 21:16:18 <AbortRetryFail> newguy123: you probably need an app like sipdroid to handle the sip calls
Nov 16 21:16:32 <punkass> AbortRetryFail: linux orosx?
Nov 16 21:16:35 <newguy123> thanks I will look for it
Nov 16 21:17:22 <AbortRetryFail> linux
Nov 16 21:17:28 <AbortRetryFail> shows up as a normal USB mass storage :)
Nov 16 21:17:35 <punkass> yeah thats only windows
Nov 16 21:17:41 <AbortRetryFail> how lame
Nov 16 21:17:55 <punkass> my motorola q wouldnt charge from a windows box without motorola drivers, im assuming the same is true for the droid
Nov 16 21:18:28 <AbortRetryFail> punkass: i had some people pestering me a couple years ago to install the motorola drivers so they could charge their razrs
Nov 16 21:18:33 <Disconnect> punkass: ..why are you assuming that?
Nov 16 21:18:40 <newguy123> motorola razor doesnt either but the blackberry curve and pearl will charge without drivers
Nov 16 21:19:04 <AbortRetryFail> a lot of phones will.
Nov 16 21:19:06 <punkass> Disconnect: im just a pessimistic person I guess
Nov 16 21:19:32 <AbortRetryFail> I'd test it if i had a micro-5 usb cable
Nov 16 21:19:37 * Disconnect once had a motorola that didn't support mms. guess that means the droid doesn't either :)
Nov 16 21:19:38 <AbortRetryFail> those aren't exactly common yet.
Nov 16 21:19:59 <punkass> Disconnect: sounds reasonable
Nov 16 21:20:22 <AbortRetryFail> I once had a motorola phone that didnt support CDMA, i guess that means the droid doesn't either.
Nov 16 21:20:52 <punkass> damn im screwed now :(
Nov 16 21:20:56 <AbortRetryFail> MicroTAC
Nov 16 21:21:25 <AbortRetryFail> i should have kept it just as a relic
Nov 16 21:23:10 <pfn> yeah, that was an annoyance on the razr
Nov 16 21:23:15 <pfn> needed the moto drivers in order to charge it
Nov 16 21:23:18 <pfn> oh-so-very-annoying
Nov 16 21:23:47 <AbortRetryFail> or a resistor on pin4 and pin5 ;)
Nov 16 21:24:30 <Disconnect> older blackberrys were like that. refused to draw more than trickle w/o a handshake from the pc (and wouldn
Nov 16 21:24:43 <serdar__> when will this "Connection reset by peer" does not appear again
Nov 16 21:24:44 <Disconnect> wouldn't fast-charge on ac without a bb-specific charger)
Nov 16 21:24:58 <AbortRetryFail> Disconnect: that i can understand, there's no way to know if you're on a usb 1.1 or 2.0 port unless it talks to the host.
Nov 16 21:25:15 <Disconnect> AbortRetryFail: not standard handshake. proprietary.
Nov 16 21:25:55 <Disconnect> there's a kernel driver now, but before it was bcharge
Nov 16 21:26:05 <Disconnect> http://www.blackberryforums.com/linux-users-corner/65653-howto-use-bcharge-charge-your-bb-under-linux.html
Nov 16 21:26:18 <AbortRetryFail> wow that's lame
Nov 16 21:26:30 <AbortRetryFail> thanks, now i have yet another reason to dislike RIM :)
Nov 16 21:28:49 <newguy123>  yeah try getting the modem driver to work ...just as lame
Nov 16 21:29:06 <AbortRetryFail> at least they have one though :/
Nov 16 21:29:11 <Disconnect> given enough time it would trickle-charge (if it was off) sufficiently to send an sms or make a brief call.
Nov 16 21:29:56 <JesusFreke> "call 911!" "hold on, I have to wait a couple of hours for my phone to trickle charge"
Nov 16 21:30:20 <punkass> by law the phone has to call 911 even if the battery is dead
Nov 16 21:30:52 <JesusFreke> ah, of course
Nov 16 21:30:53 <AbortRetryFail> punkass: how is it going to do that if it won't let you turn it on?
Nov 16 21:31:03 <JesusFreke> *whoosh*
Nov 16 21:31:13 <Disconnect> yah i doubt he even heard that one go by
Nov 16 21:31:17 <newguy123> lol thats funny making a call without a battery
Nov 16 21:31:53 <AbortRetryFail> well most phones shut down when they still have enough power to make a call
Nov 16 21:32:04 <outtolunc> thinks the phone should be able to be run with emergency power (shake the .... out of it) <G>
Nov 16 21:32:13 <AbortRetryFail> lol
Nov 16 21:32:32 <newguy123> never heard of making a call without a battery... locked 911 yes but without battery LOL
Nov 16 21:32:34 <AbortRetryFail> microphone power: scream as loud as you can.
Nov 16 21:32:56 <charles_> Hi, I'm trying to get the source from kernel.org, but it always fail
Nov 16 21:33:00 <AbortRetryFail> newguy123: you just have to wait for a policeman to drive by and throw the phone at his car ;)
Nov 16 21:33:05 <charles_> anybody know why?
Nov 16 21:33:11 <newguy123> ah got it...
Nov 16 21:33:25 <AbortRetryFail> charles_: someone else was complaining about that earlier, dont know what happened though. Maybe someone else does?
Nov 16 21:33:54 <charles_> AbortRetryFail: I'm not alone...
Nov 16 21:35:24 <AbortRetryFail> let's not jump to conclusions.
Nov 16 21:37:33 <ari-free> does android have opengl 2.0?
Nov 16 21:37:59 <ctate> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/opengl.html
Nov 16 21:38:29 <ari-free> only 1?
Nov 16 21:40:12 <AbortRetryFail> ari-free: considering the kind of gpus they put in phones, i dont think that's a huge problem :)
Nov 16 21:40:22 <ari-free> iphone has 2
Nov 16 21:40:43 <joink> nah. iphone has opengl es 2.0 support.. totally different from opengl 2.0
Nov 16 21:40:51 <ari-free> yes i meant es
Nov 16 21:40:55 <AbortRetryFail> android isn't the iphone :)
Nov 16 21:41:24 <joink> and many of the phones support stuff from ES 1.1 btw
Nov 16 21:46:38 <keny> wow, I did not know JIT was already on the way to our androids :)
Nov 16 21:48:24 <crazyspai> 'Afternoon
Nov 16 21:49:15 <didideder> AbortRetryFail: Is there any copy of the git repository on any other server?
Nov 16 21:49:23 <ari-free> droid hardware supports opengl es 2
Nov 16 21:52:15 <x_link> Hi!
Nov 16 21:52:21 <crazyspai> Hey x_link
Nov 16 21:52:22 <x_link> Anybody here with the HTC Hero that has installed 1.6?
Nov 16 21:52:26 <crazyspai> I do
Nov 16 21:53:18 <crazyspai> Quote from Parody Microsoft commercial "Geez Bill, you've tried this same timberland on 6 times now.. how many times are you going to reboot?"
Nov 16 21:53:23 <x_link> crazyspai: Does it work good?
Nov 16 21:54:09 <crazyspai> x_link I have the ERIS which is Verizon's version of Hero. It's pretty good I heard that the hero is rather slow and fills up quickly
Nov 16 21:54:12 <didideder> It looks like the git repository is back alive....
Nov 16 21:54:42 <ctate> the Eris is not the Hero.
Nov 16 21:54:46 <ctate> afaik.
Nov 16 21:54:56 <ctate> iirc it's a different model that was sometimes called the HTC Desire
Nov 16 21:55:28 <FFForever> anyone know if google plans on giving x64 users love for gears?
Nov 16 21:55:35 <ctate> ... except i see that in fact that's a repackaged Hero.  sheesh HTC.
Nov 16 21:55:49 <crazyspai> ctate: We had a convo in here about that yesterday
Nov 16 21:55:57 <crazyspai> Apparently the Hero handles applications a lot slower.
Nov 16 21:56:10 <ctate> but if they're the same device...?
Nov 16 21:56:14 <AakashPatel> lol
Nov 16 21:56:49 <x_link> crazyspai: Okey, is it hard to fix?
Nov 16 21:56:52 <crazyspai> ctate: I only live here... I know from my experience that my ERIS is pretty good 8 hours of battery with moderate use.
Nov 16 21:56:59 <ctate> cool
Nov 16 21:57:14 <x_link> crazyspai: I heard that Madoco is good...I don't know much about this stuff =/
Nov 16 21:57:14 <crazyspai> It requires an end all in a task manager every 4-6 hours
Nov 16 21:57:24 <vulc4n> does anyone know where software issues with the Droid should be reported?
Nov 16 21:57:26 <crazyspai> x_link: What service are you plannin on?
Nov 16 21:57:27 <vulc4n> no one seems to know
Nov 16 21:57:59 <crazyspai> vulc4n: The Droid as in Verizon or Android?
Nov 16 21:58:07 <vulc4n> the moto droid
Nov 16 21:58:18 <crazyspai> Wel.. what issues?
Nov 16 21:58:22 <crazyspai> Is it an app or the OS?
Nov 16 21:58:28 <vulc4n> the OS itself
Nov 16 21:58:38 <crazyspai> I would think Verizon than google.
Nov 16 21:58:41 <kiall> vulc4n, if its an android problem - then the android bug tracker I'd bet... but if the bug is in a added value app by Motorola/Verizon/Whoever then they should have their own trackers :)
Nov 16 21:59:37 <kiall> chances are tho - the issue is due to Motorola/Verizon/Whoevers build of android, or their apps...
Nov 16 21:59:54 <vulc4n> right
Nov 16 21:59:54 <jeev> vulc4n, http://b.android.com
Nov 16 22:00:06 <vulc4n> there has to be a way to report these issues to verizon or motorola
Nov 16 22:03:52 <x_link> crazyspai: What do you mean?
Nov 16 22:04:07 <x_link> crazyspai: I meant if it's hard to upgrade from 1.5 to 1.6?
Nov 16 22:08:32 <crazyspai> 1.6 came with it
Nov 16 22:11:08 <crazyspai> What are the benefits to rooting the Android?
Nov 16 22:11:48 <zinx> lmgtfy.com/?q=why+root+android
Nov 16 22:11:58 <crazyspai> -.-.
Nov 16 22:12:08 <bnovc> crazyspai: you can ssh to it and install whatever you want
Nov 16 22:12:10 <crazyspai> That was unnecessary.
Nov 16 22:12:14 <bnovc> you can also install custom ROMs that have new features
Nov 16 22:12:17 <bnovc> like cyanogenmod
Nov 16 22:12:21 <mikey|_> has anyone come across this error when uploading app to market: The file is invalid: ERROR getting 'android:versionName' attribute: attribute is not a string value ?
Nov 16 22:12:30 <kiall> crazyspai so was your already answered a million times question :)
Nov 16 22:12:37 <mikey|_> my android:versionName is @string/version, which = 1.1
Nov 16 22:12:51 <Plagman_> anyway to automatically change the screen brightness depending on if the device is charging or not?
Nov 16 22:14:15 <crazyspai> When rooting, like any mod, there is a chance of bricking right?
Nov 16 22:14:59 <spikebike> not zero
Nov 16 22:14:59 <sergey_> Hi all!
Nov 16 22:15:15 <spikebike> but not sure I've heard of a single brick from someone that followed the directions
Nov 16 22:16:32 <sergey_> Sorry for bothering but may be u can help me with annoyning bug with sync with android source?
Nov 16 22:16:36 <x_link> crazyspai: Mine is 1.5 and not 1.6
Nov 16 22:16:42 <x_link> crazyspai: I have HTC Hero
Nov 16 22:19:47 <TravisB> x_link, what's up/
Nov 16 22:19:47 <sergey_> I cat get rid of Read error (Connectoin reset by peer) while fetching source
Nov 16 22:19:52 <TravisB> erm
Nov 16 22:19:55 <TravisB> sergey_, what's up?
Nov 16 22:20:04 <bnovc> are you behind a proxy
Nov 16 22:20:05 <TravisB> oh the mirrors have been exploding the last few days
Nov 16 22:20:09 <TravisB> and kernel.org was down just recently.
Nov 16 22:20:20 <TravisB> (which is hwere repo sync pulls from)
Nov 16 22:20:32 <sergey_> ohh, thanks for information
Nov 16 22:20:39 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:20:45 <TravisB> ghostman, blasphemy!
Nov 16 22:21:18 <x_link> TravisB: Not much, I want to upgrade from 1.5 to 1.6 on my HTC Hero.
Nov 16 22:21:39 <TravisB> not sure this is the best place to ask that, xorry x_link
Nov 16 22:21:49 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:21:55 <TravisB> ghostman, blasphemy!
Nov 16 22:22:02 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:22:03 <TravisB> ghostman, blasphemy!
Nov 16 22:22:19 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:22:20 <TravisB> ghostman, blasphemy!
Nov 16 22:22:41 <x_link> TravisB: Okey, sorry.
Nov 16 22:22:50 <x_link> TravisB: Anywhere you can recommend me to go?
Nov 16 22:23:02 <TravisB> x_link, no problem.  You could probably check in #android.
Nov 16 22:23:19 <TravisB> x_link, sorry, just many people here (if any) don't own heroes, and a lot of the people here have quite a hatred towards it.
Nov 16 22:23:22 <crazyspai> Travis: .. this is #android
Nov 16 22:23:23 <x_link> TravisB: Hmmm...this is #Android
Nov 16 22:23:25 <TravisB> ...
Nov 16 22:23:30 * TravisB thought he was in cyanogenmod.
Nov 16 22:23:35 <TravisB> I'm terribly sorry.
Nov 16 22:23:36 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:23:42 * TravisB looks at his xchat window, and feels stupid now.
Nov 16 22:23:42 <elmuSSo> hahaa
Nov 16 22:23:44 <TravisB> Sorry!
Nov 16 22:23:51 <x_link> TravisB: No problem
Nov 16 22:23:52 <x_link> =)
Nov 16 22:23:57 <x_link> Shit happens
Nov 16 22:24:01 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:24:11 <x_link> My english isn't that good, so you have to excuse me.
Nov 16 22:24:16 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:24:25 <x_link> Wellwell, I guess I have to try another day again. Thanks!
Nov 16 22:24:33 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:26:30 <bnovc> apparently ghostman just wrote that to every channel he was in :\
Nov 16 22:26:39 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:26:49 * unwesen loves the bliss of /ignore
Nov 16 22:26:57 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:27:16 <kroot> I'd rather have the bliss of kickban.
Nov 16 22:27:23 <unwesen> *g*
Nov 16 22:27:28 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:27:38 <kroot> morrildl: Will you oblidge?
Nov 16 22:27:45 <kroot> -d
Nov 16 22:28:11 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:28:18 <morrildl> why do I always forget how to do a ban/
Nov 16 22:28:18 <morrildl> ?
Nov 16 22:28:22 <morrildl> kick /ghostman
Nov 16 22:28:26 <ghostman> fuck gentoo
Nov 16 22:28:41 <morrildl> also helps if I don't make typos
Nov 16 22:28:48 <morrildl> so we'll get rid of him for the moment :)
Nov 16 22:28:58 <kroot> My client has /kb as an alias, but I might be special :-)
Nov 16 22:29:12 <morrildl> mine apparently does not :)
Nov 16 22:30:20 <snadge>  /mode +b #android nick!ident@hostname
Nov 16 22:31:32 <snadge> im a broken man this morning.. not sure why im so manic
Nov 16 22:32:38 <serdar__> :(
Nov 16 22:32:41 <serdar__>  fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer
Nov 16 22:33:45 <amorphis> same mistake hundred time per day
Nov 16 22:35:11 <kroot> There must be some existential conversations going on that I'm missing part of.
Nov 16 22:37:26 <kroot> http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1569315.html
Nov 16 22:40:22 <kroot> er, mispaste
Nov 16 22:41:04 <snadge> thats still a lol though kroot
Nov 16 22:48:09 <keny> anybody can provide some insight into what /system/etc/install-recovery.sh does ? it seems to be applying a patch at /system/recovery-from-boot.p
Nov 16 22:49:03 <keny> more than what it does, whats the purpose
Nov 16 23:07:04 <manitou> http://techvideoblog.com/reviews/80-android-laptop-menq-easypc-e790/
Nov 16 23:12:31 <JeepNaked> Anyone use Google Sky Map.. awesome app, especially with tonights Leonid Meteor shower.. can use it to find Leo constellation in the sky..
Nov 16 23:12:42 <jasta> yes, its very well done
Nov 16 23:13:23 <JeepNaked> its probably THE impressive app to show people...
Nov 16 23:14:08 <JeepNaked> jasta - have you done a search with it?
Nov 16 23:14:16 <JeepNaked> shows ya where thing are so you can find them.
Nov 16 23:14:18 <nh2> hi. I'm not clear about the state on becoming root on HTC phones (mine is a Magic). Does one need to use exploits for that or is it supported by HTC?
Nov 16 23:14:55 <Majost> anyone know what the difference is between the lite and paid version of  snesoid and the other `oid emulators?
Nov 16 23:15:08 <ari-free> Leonid Meteor: This is....ANDROID!!!
Nov 16 23:15:50 <ari-free> i just had to say that
Nov 16 23:24:37 * TravisB breaks the join/leave combo.
Nov 16 23:24:40 <AnnonyMouse1> hi guys. is there a decent multi-protocol IM client for android? needt to connect w my MSN, yahoo & FB IM account in a similar way I do with pidgin on my ubuntu desktop
Nov 16 23:25:02 <nelson8403_> mundu IM is an awesome IM client
Nov 16 23:25:48 <AnnonyMouse1> nelson8403_: thanks. I'll check it out quickly
Nov 16 23:28:13 <AnnonyMouse1> any other suggestions? I tried talkonaut, but it does some pretty weird things, & not very-well integrated
Nov 16 23:39:43 * SelfishMan pets his roid
Nov 16 23:39:47 <SelfishMan> s/roid/droid/
Nov 16 23:41:17 <Jengoris> can someone explain wh twitter uses bit.ly
Nov 16 23:41:19 <Jengoris> why not just
Nov 16 23:41:22 <Jengoris> fraeking
Nov 16 23:41:27 <Jengoris> use a hyperlink text
Nov 16 23:41:35 <Jengoris> "link" = a link
Nov 16 23:41:40 <Jengoris> u likc it, 4 letter work
Nov 16 23:41:43 <Jengoris> shoter than bi tley
Nov 16 23:41:45 <SelfishMan> Jengoris: because clients and phones drop anything longer than 140 chars from twitter
Nov 16 23:42:29 <Majost> ie: twitter sucks.
Nov 16 23:42:37 <Rashtop> ^
Nov 16 23:42:47 <ctate> i.e. twitter is designed for SMS.
Nov 16 23:43:20 <Jengoris> twitter sucks
Nov 16 23:43:21 <Jengoris> period
Nov 16 23:43:33 <Jengoris> IVE BEEN CONVERTED
Nov 16 23:43:36 <Jengoris> ok
Nov 16 23:43:38 <Jengoris> sleep for micjh
Nov 16 23:44:01 <Jengoris> imo,, twitter should die.  it is  dying now thankfully
Nov 16 23:44:10 <Jengoris> twitter is a fad
Nov 16 23:45:08 <Ge0rG> you can't do anything about it. its trendy. its web 0.2. its all that what irc was almost 20 years ago.
Nov 16 23:45:09 <jeev> twitter is gay
Nov 16 23:45:32 <Ge0rG> but irc limits you to 512 bytes and not 140.
Nov 16 23:45:56 <SelfishMan> but IRC doesn't work on my phone!
Nov 16 23:45:58 <SelfishMan> wait...
Nov 16 23:46:02 * SelfishMan fires up conectbot and irssi
Nov 16 23:46:15 <SelfishMan> now it does
Nov 16 23:46:21 <Ge0rG> indeed.
Nov 16 23:46:23 * outtolunc was gonna say.. you got telnet <G>
Nov 16 23:46:50 <Ge0rG> is there a telnet binary on stock android?
Nov 16 23:46:53 <SelfishMan> I use twitter as a read only medium
Nov 16 23:47:14 <ctate> Ge0rG: nope
Nov 16 23:47:24 <Ge0rG> so no raw irc on there ;)
Nov 16 23:48:22 <SelfishMan> anyone in here use invisibleshield?
Nov 16 23:49:29 <jeev> connectbot is the sickest thing on earth
Nov 16 23:51:34 <SelfishMan> I don't know, using barcode scanner and showing a friend that he is wrong and can get something at half the price online is pretty sweet
Nov 16 23:52:37 <Ge0rG> jeev: how is it sick?
Nov 16 23:56:36 <pfn> Ge0rG, sick as in sweet
Nov 16 23:57:00 <Ge0rG> ah, kay
Nov 17 00:03:24 <Lunaqus> hi
Nov 17 00:03:55 <CrazyLemon> SelfishMan i use  InvisibileShield
Nov 17 00:04:22 <SelfishMan> CrazyLemon: On a capacitive screen?  Any diminished sensitivity?
Nov 17 00:04:59 <SelfishMan> I ordered one for my Droid as I've liked them on non touch screen devices but I've heard complaints about sensitivity so I'm reluctant to use it
Nov 17 00:05:11 <CrazyLemon> SelfishMan yea..capacitive screen..and well..a little diminished..but nothing special...i kinda liked deminished sensitivity :)
Nov 17 00:05:25 <SelfishMan> so not like an impossible to use issue then
Nov 17 00:05:31 <SelfishMan> Alright, I'll give it a try
Nov 17 00:06:20 <keny> SelfishMan, I have one and didnt notice any change
Nov 17 00:06:48 <keny> I did notice the thing starts pealing off in the corners after a couple of months though
Nov 17 00:07:00 <Lunaqus> can anyone help me out, I'm trying to use the debian installer script and its silently not doing anything?
Nov 17 00:07:30 <CrazyLemon> keny thing as in invisibleshield or as in color?
Nov 17 00:08:07 <keny> the invisibleshield "skin"
Nov 17 00:09:08 <keny> CrazyLemon, I actually removed some parts which started pealing off, and it did not leave any traces behind
Nov 17 00:09:24 <RobinB> i've got the invisible shield as well, it's ok so far. the screen is not quite as smooth any more, and i managed to get a couple of grains of dirt under it in a corner
Nov 17 00:09:27 <keny> i think im going to remove everyithing but the screen protector :P
Nov 17 00:11:58 <CrazyLemon> keny well you can always spray some invisibleshield liquid on it and put it back up :)
Nov 17 00:15:32 <keny> CrazyLemon, surprisingly it was quite dirty when I removed it (at least it was kinda "brownish"), so i just threw it away =D
Nov 17 00:19:37 <Lunaqus> hey can anyone help me? I'm trying to use the debian installer script but its silently doing bugger all.
Nov 17 00:23:36 <Macer> hm
Nov 17 00:23:41 <Macer> anybody else here use mixzing?
Nov 17 00:23:51 <Macer> seems like their server is down.
Nov 17 00:24:05 <Lunaqus> its an irc network?
Nov 17 00:27:29 <Macer> no
Nov 17 00:27:43 <Macer> a media player that downloads the cover art
Nov 17 00:33:37 <omgjoz> hello
Nov 17 00:33:57 <omgjoz> helloooo
Nov 17 00:34:01 <omgjoz> :)
Nov 17 00:34:10 <Lunaqus> heya
Nov 17 00:34:32 <omgjoz> how's it hangin?
Nov 17 00:35:05 <omgjoz> haha u get around
Nov 17 00:35:06 <Lunaqus> low and slightly to the right
Nov 17 00:35:27 <omgjoz> I hang to the left, that's cool.
Nov 17 00:35:45 <omgjoz> I wonder why that is
Nov 17 00:36:06 <omgjoz> so when can I get a copy of 2.0?
Nov 17 00:36:13 <omgjoz> the source that is
Nov 17 00:44:02 <ari-free> Let's do the time-warp again.
Nov 17 01:01:10 <pfn> hmm, why is my notification led blinking purple instead of green?
Nov 17 01:01:24 <zinx> because something told it to be white, most likely
Nov 17 01:01:39 <zinx> unfortunately #ffffff isn't actually white :P
Nov 17 01:01:41 <dkr> app finished installation notification?
Nov 17 01:01:59 <pfn> dkr, nope, it seems to blink purple for k9mail
Nov 17 01:02:17 <dkr> ah, well yeah, individual apps can set it to whatever they like.  in some it is even configurable. :)
Nov 17 01:02:30 <pfn> interesting
Nov 17 01:02:42 <dkr> e.g. smspopup
Nov 17 01:03:01 <CrazySpai> Hm.. I've gotta make a universal LED configuration that I can set.
Nov 17 01:06:25 <Klebel>  when I'm trying to create a new AVD w/eclipse, there are no targets I can select in the Target: dropdown
Nov 17 01:07:28 <bnovc> you have to download the targets separately first
Nov 17 01:07:35 <bnovc> its in the readmes ... changed recently
Nov 17 01:17:05 <Dddssss> Hey.
Nov 17 01:17:12 <Dddssss> Anyone know how to go from 1.5 - 1.6?
Nov 17 01:17:29 <zinx> Dddssss: click the "update" button when your phone pops up with it.
Nov 17 01:17:45 <zinx> if your carrier/handset maker has not pushed an OTA, then you don't
Nov 17 01:18:02 <Dddssss> Lol...
Nov 17 01:18:09 <Dddssss> Okay then.
Nov 17 01:18:16 <Dddssss> Theres a way I seen.. update file
Nov 17 01:18:19 <Dddssss> or something.. :S
Nov 17 01:18:49 <zinx> if your carrier/handset maker hasn't updated your phone, then you can only do it by flashing a custom firmware, which involves #android-root
Nov 17 01:19:16 <zinx> also, there is no 1.6 firmware with SenseUI
Nov 17 01:19:29 <Dddssss> Right.. lol
Nov 17 01:44:23 <mikedgDroid> yo
Nov 17 01:44:59 <Izwgldx_> hey
Nov 17 01:46:44 * pfn goes back to using mail instead of k9mail
Nov 17 02:22:39 <p0windah> the people application on my hero, under the IM section does not contain Google Talk - is there anyway to add this item to the list?
Nov 17 02:42:56 <SelfishMan> Just put the invisibleshield on my droid and it doesn't seem to be any less sensitive.  Of course, it hasn't dried yet.
Nov 17 02:47:24 <torchie> why do reviewers complain when a device doesn't ship with android 2.0? can a 1.5 device not upgrade?
Nov 17 02:47:35 <Versed> depends
Nov 17 02:47:40 <p0windah> torchie, not all - no
Nov 17 02:47:42 <Versed> most can
Nov 17 02:47:46 <Versed> g1 can't
Nov 17 02:47:52 <torchie> moment? eris?
Nov 17 02:47:57 <p0windah> torchie, not yet, anyway
Nov 17 02:48:01 <torchie> hmm.
Nov 17 02:48:01 <Versed> should be able to.
Nov 17 02:48:28 <p0windah> versed, I have a htc hero running 1.5 and there i sno official way to get it to 1.6 or 2.0 as of now that I am aware of
Nov 17 02:48:35 <p0windah> its still a "coming soon" thing
Nov 17 02:48:47 <ari-free> by the time they get 2.0, everyone will be looking at the next adroid update
Nov 17 02:48:49 <Versed> same with my htc magic
Nov 17 02:50:19 <p0windah> two features I desperately want: multiple gmail account support and better IM integration with contacts
Nov 17 02:50:46 <torchie> can it support gmail + other email accounts simultaneously?
Nov 17 02:51:08 <p0windah> yes