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Nov 17 03:08:11 <snlemons> grrr. there's a talk at MIT about Android for Intro CS classes and my prof and I really wanna go, but they're all out of tickets.
Nov 17 03:08:50 <AakashPatel> You go to MIT?
Nov 17 03:08:50 <snlemons> they're apparently already teaching an Android class at my previous college. I apparently have poor timing. :)
Nov 17 03:09:10 <snlemons> AakashPatel: I go to school in New Hampshire, but MIT is just a short drive away.
Nov 17 03:09:18 <AakashPatel> Ah, nice.
Nov 17 03:09:26 <AakashPatel> LIVE FREE OR DIE
Nov 17 03:09:28 <AakashPatel> lawl
Nov 17 03:09:36 <snlemons> really convenient for seeing good speakers.
Nov 17 03:09:45 <snlemons> Live Free or Die Hard. :-P
Nov 17 03:10:10 <AakashPatel> :P
Nov 17 03:12:02 <TravisB> If anyone wants to try 2.0,
Nov 17 03:12:03 <TravisB> http://code.google.com/p/android-newreco/downloads/list
Nov 17 03:12:10 <TravisB> I'm building a sapphire right now.
Nov 17 03:12:27 <TravisB> note you need to flash the system AND boot image, or you won't be in happy place.  :)
Nov 17 03:12:58 <p0windah> travis, is upgrading your phone something that can be done easily?
Nov 17 03:13:32 <snlemons> p0windah: depends on what model and how you define "easy" ;)
Nov 17 03:14:01 <p0windah> htc hero, running 1.5
Nov 17 03:14:16 <ari-free> yeah i really want android, the OS studied in CS depts
Nov 17 03:14:53 <TravisB> p0windah, depending on the bootloader you're running.
Nov 17 03:15:03 <TravisB> p0windah, if you have access to fastboot, yes.
Nov 17 03:15:05 <p0windah> travis, how do I check?
Nov 17 03:15:17 <torchie> they study android in CS depts?
Nov 17 03:15:19 <TravisB> p0windah, are you on a sapphire or a dream?
Nov 17 03:15:52 <TravisB> also, these images are built directly out of aosp, so they don't contain googlish stuff.  It's really only for testing, of course there's ways around it and getting google apks.. but I shouldn't discuss that :p
Nov 17 03:16:04 <p0windah> travis, I dont see that branding on my phone - where can I determine?
Nov 17 03:17:31 <TravisB> p0windah, g1, rogers dream, magic, mt3g, any of those?
Nov 17 03:17:35 <ari-free> i know MIT groups worked on developing apps for android
Nov 17 03:17:42 <TravisB> I know I'm forgetting more names for each of them, but >.>
Nov 17 03:17:49 <ari-free> but is this lecture on the OS itself?
Nov 17 03:17:54 <unix_remote> ari-free: basically anyone is free to develop apps for android.
Nov 17 03:18:01 <p0windah> travid, it says "htc innovation" on the side, its a eu model
Nov 17 03:18:05 <unix_remote> now, the device is another issue entirely.
Nov 17 03:18:21 <TravisB> p0windah, bah, I was building for U.S.
Nov 17 03:19:07 <p0windah> ah well, I am sure ppl are working on official updates
Nov 17 03:21:47 <TravisB> yeah, they are.  This was just for people who couldn't wait.. like me.  I love the lockscreen in 2.0 :)
Nov 17 03:22:40 <p0windah> travis, in 2.0, within the "people" application, do you have the ability to "start a chat" with google talk?
Nov 17 03:23:01 <p0windah> on my 1.5 version, it doesnt exist and is very annoying having to switch out manually to the dedicated google talk application
Nov 17 03:23:42 <TravisB> p0windah, google talk is not provided in aosp.
Nov 17 03:28:14 <andrewpaulsimmon> what is the best way to hide the soft keyboard?
Nov 17 03:28:24 <TravisB> andrewpaulsimmon, disable it?
Nov 17 03:28:26 <p0windah> bottom left icon?
Nov 17 03:28:38 <cbeust> Press the back key
Nov 17 03:28:48 <andrewpaulsimmon> oh, I mean, in Android app code
Nov 17 03:29:06 <andrewpaulsimmon> I am using 		InputMethodManager mgr = (InputMethodManager) c.getSystemService(Context.INPUT_METHOD_SERVICE);
Nov 17 03:29:06 <andrewpaulsimmon> 		mgr.hideSoftInputFromWindow(et.getWindowToken(), 0);
Nov 17 03:29:21 <andrewpaulsimmon> but I don't always have access to the EditText object
Nov 17 03:29:32 <andrewpaulsimmon> So, I was looking for a general way to hide the keyboard
Nov 17 03:31:12 <tmzt> it's just java with a new api
Nov 17 03:31:38 <tmzt> do they still teach data structures and algorithms in cs classes?
Nov 17 03:32:24 <tmzt> stl/java makes it too easy, and without pointers or native code the interesting problems can't really be done
Nov 17 03:32:33 <ari-free> nope. it's all about feeling good about computers
Nov 17 03:32:39 <ari-free> j/k
Nov 17 03:32:44 <ari-free> or maybe not
Nov 17 03:32:45 <tmzt> TommyBres: how'd it go, all android partied out?
Nov 17 03:33:26 <tmzt> oh, I'm sick now travel would have been a real pain anyway - says aesop
Nov 17 03:34:20 <tmzt> feel the numbers?
Nov 17 03:34:57 <ari-free> yeah in math classes kids get projects: what is your favorite number
Nov 17 03:35:10 <tmzt> 06:00 -!- spaztik
Nov 17 03:35:10 <tmzt> [n=spaztik@pool-72-64-91-99.dllstx.fi
Nov 17 03:35:10 <tmzt> os.verizon.net] has quit ["you bore me"]
Nov 17 03:36:25 <tmzt> stop pasting
Nov 17 03:37:52 <ctate> andrewpaulsimmon: why do you want to prevent people from entering text?
Nov 17 03:39:31 <andrewpaulsimmon> so, if they are in a view, and they are entering text and then decide to tab to a new view that has nothing to do with entering text they are still stuck with this keyboard on the screen
Nov 17 03:43:38 <ctate> the basic rule of thumb that we've been setting is that if the user explicitly brings up the IME (via longpress on Menu, typically), the app probably shouldn't try to prevent it.
Nov 17 03:43:50 <p0windah> are .apk files zipped folders?
Nov 17 03:44:16 <ctate> they are .zip containers but contain a variety of stuff in various folders inside
Nov 17 03:44:23 <p0windah> rgr
Nov 17 03:44:27 <ctate> and a manifest file etc
Nov 17 03:44:37 <TravisB> http://code.google.com/p/android-newreco/downloads/list
Nov 17 03:44:39 <TravisB> sapphire-us build.
Nov 17 03:44:42 <TravisB> for eclair.
Nov 17 03:45:01 <AakashPatel> o.o
Nov 17 03:45:09 <ctate> who did the build?  and did they get bluetooth and media working?  :)
Nov 17 03:45:24 <AakashPatel> i have the same quetsions haha
Nov 17 03:45:54 <AakashPatel> TravisB, TELL US
Nov 17 03:45:54 <ctate> also i assume it doesn't include the Googly binaries
Nov 17 03:45:57 <AakashPatel> :D
Nov 17 03:46:04 <AakashPatel> ctate, haha for sure
Nov 17 03:46:39 <tmzt> bluetooth and media? why would that be an issue?
Nov 17 03:46:55 <AakashPatel> drivers i suppose
Nov 17 03:47:59 <tmzt> ctate: ?
Nov 17 03:48:16 <tmzt> what build is this?
Nov 17 03:48:35 <AakashPatel> someone flash it lol
Nov 17 03:49:18 <ctate> tmzt: ??
Nov 17 03:49:44 <tmzt>  bluetooth and media? why would that be an issue?
Nov 17 03:50:00 <tmzt> you mentioned it
Nov 17 03:50:10 <ctate> ah, gotcha.  cyanogen's initial work on it has gotten everything working very nicely ... except bluetooth and media.
Nov 17 03:50:27 <ctate> welcome to the land of proprietary hw drivers.
Nov 17 03:50:31 <tmzt> on what? 2.0?
Nov 17 03:50:36 <ctate> eclair
Nov 17 03:50:41 <tmzt> the bluetooth is? why?
Nov 17 03:50:45 <ctate> eclair AOSP, specifically
Nov 17 03:50:57 <ctate> bluetooth is largely up to the radio side.
Nov 17 03:57:26 <vulc4n> bah, who needs bluetooth anyway :P
Nov 17 03:59:29 <Versed> I do
Nov 17 03:59:53 <Versed> hooks to my garmin gps for handsfree speaker
Nov 17 04:02:23 <TravisB> AakashPatel, sorry, what?
Nov 17 04:02:41 <TravisB> wifi worked, I didn't test bluetooth.  /me has no bluetooth devices.
Nov 17 04:02:47 <TravisB> sound worked, camera doesn't.
Nov 17 04:02:53 <TravisB> everything else has been tested and is working.
Nov 17 04:03:06 <TravisB> google apps aren't provided, but I'm testing stuff from one of these dumps.
Nov 17 04:03:14 <TravisB> maps/navigation are on fine, and so is facebook.
Nov 17 04:03:31 <zinx> TravisB: no OpenGL for yuo
Nov 17 04:04:26 <TravisB> zinx: I haven't gotten vending on there yet, so I didn't test that.  Was that provided from qualcomm?
Nov 17 04:04:31 <TravisB> If so, then none of that.  :/
Nov 17 04:05:59 <TravisB> I also tested the 32B dream version, but one person is saying the 32B sapphire doesn't work.  :/
Nov 17 04:06:13 <TravisB> oh, looks like he forgot to wipe.
Nov 17 04:06:26 <TravisB> yeah, so that must've been the problem.
Nov 17 04:10:00 <p0windah> how to install non-market .apk on a htc hero ?
Nov 17 04:10:36 <kiall> enable non market apps in settings, download a free file manager from the market, and use it to run the .apk from your SDCard
Nov 17 04:11:02 <Leeds> or use adb
Nov 17 04:11:06 <p0windah> I popped it onto the internal sdcard and have enabled the "unknown sources" also
Nov 17 04:11:24 <p0windah> a file manager, let me check that out
Nov 17 04:11:26 <Leeds> or just download the apk from somewhere and install it from the downloads list - don't need a file manager
Nov 17 04:11:35 <Leeds> if you do use a file manager, I recommend ASTRO
Nov 17 04:12:41 <TravisB> status: the 32B sapphire image WORKS on a magic.
Nov 17 04:13:42 <Leeds> er... sapphire *is* magic
Nov 17 04:14:32 <p0windah> astro seems really nice - thx for the suggestion
Nov 17 04:15:33 <tmzt> ctate: oh sco? yeah so it needs a different libhtcaudio or whatever
Nov 17 04:15:58 <ctate> TravisB: with bluetooth and audio and video and so on?
Nov 17 04:15:58 <tmzt> we have one for aosp now well ril at least
Nov 17 04:16:02 <ctate> everything?
Nov 17 04:16:52 <ctate> oh there, i just recapped
Nov 17 04:16:58 <ctate> so sound works, camera doesn't, bluetooth untested?
Nov 17 04:19:07 <zinx> video playback / opengl doesn't work either
Nov 17 04:19:13 <zinx> video playback falls back to software aiui
Nov 17 04:20:09 <tmzt> just missing binaries or rpc differences?
Nov 17 04:20:34 <TravisB> sound works fine.
Nov 17 04:20:41 <TravisB> I hear notifications, ringtones
Nov 17 04:20:45 <TravisB> I haven't checked youtube yet, though.
Nov 17 04:20:56 <ctate> tmzt: possibly both.
Nov 17 04:21:05 <tmzt> droid action for youtube looks great
Nov 17 04:21:09 <tmzt> saw the ad
Nov 17 04:21:10 <tmzt> wow
Nov 17 04:21:13 <TravisB> bluetooth, I know I can't CONNECT to my desktop, bt I can always see if I can see the device there..
Nov 17 04:21:23 <tmzt> who needs mobile flash??
Nov 17 04:21:52 <tmzt> connect ith with what protocol?
Nov 17 04:22:36 <TravisB> opened youtube
Nov 17 04:22:41 <TravisB> asia's heat of the moment plays successfully with sound
Nov 17 04:22:45 <TravisB> right that video doesn't work though.
Nov 17 04:22:46 <TravisB> :/
Nov 17 04:23:05 <TravisB> that's all qualcomm's fault though.
Nov 17 04:28:45 <Leeds> this part of asia is cold at the moment
Nov 17 04:36:04 <audiofx> in android is there any way to have seperate notifcation sounds for email / text
Nov 17 04:36:19 <audiofx> i have a moto droid, and its one sound for all notifcations
Nov 17 04:37:09 <pfn> what is "DROID LTF"
Nov 17 04:37:12 <pfn> it's called that on vzw's site
Nov 17 04:37:25 <pfn> audiofx, go into email, and change the notification sound under settings
Nov 17 04:38:16 <audiofx> ok let me check i was going through the setting sounds
Nov 17 04:38:25 <pfn> hmm, 1yr contract price on the droid is only $230
Nov 17 04:38:35 <pfn> that's a great deal if you don't want to be committed for a long time
Nov 17 04:38:49 <audiofx> yea
Nov 17 04:38:53 <audiofx> i did 2 already
Nov 17 04:39:05 <audiofx> love the phone happy to be rid of iphone now
Nov 17 04:39:59 <pfn> yeah, I <3 the droid already
Nov 17 04:40:09 <pfn> iphone is no comparison, except for media support
Nov 17 04:40:20 <pfn> which is much nicer if you're willing to use itunes
Nov 17 04:41:10 <audiofx> yea i am about to see if i can setup a media sync with media player
Nov 17 04:41:23 <audiofx> i am trying to get away from itunes
Nov 17 04:41:29 <audiofx> now dealing with the mess itunes left on my music DIR
Nov 17 04:41:34 <pfn> what I really want is to be able to use ratings and modify them back and forth
Nov 17 04:41:35 <audiofx> converted back to pc
Nov 17 04:41:46 <audiofx> i like mac but im happy to be back to win and i like win 7
Nov 17 04:41:58 <pfn> just run itunes on windows...
Nov 17 04:42:04 <audiofx> dont want to
Nov 17 04:42:10 * pfn does, currently
Nov 17 04:42:16 <pfn> until I figure out how to stop using my ipod touch
Nov 17 04:42:17 <audiofx> though theres apps to sync with itunes right
Nov 17 04:42:29 <audiofx> i am using my droid as primary media player too
Nov 17 04:42:30 <pfn> I need to be able to edit metadata/ratings
Nov 17 04:42:40 <audiofx> except its very very annoying music pauses not notifications
Nov 17 04:42:44 <audiofx> even when off or vibrate
Nov 17 04:42:46 <pfn> songbird and doubletwist can both sync itunes stuff to android
Nov 17 04:42:52 <audiofx> pfn: media player does that just fine
Nov 17 04:43:05 <pfn> media player lets you edit metadata/ratings on android?
Nov 17 04:43:26 <p0windah> skype voice works with the private beta of fring - very nicne
Nov 17 04:43:42 <p0windah> I am glad to know that the htc hero is capable of doing it
Nov 17 04:43:59 <Leeds> there's a private beta of fring????
Nov 17 04:44:27 <audiofx> pfn: maybei misunderstood you need to edit tag son your device?
Nov 17 04:44:38 <pfn> audiofx, I would really like to
Nov 17 04:44:43 <pfn> I listen to music primarily on the device
Nov 17 04:44:49 <pfn> and I fix track names and ratings from there
Nov 17 04:44:49 <p0windah> leeds, there is
Nov 17 04:44:59 <pfn> sometimes when I'm at my pc, I want to listen to the stuff that I rated highly
Nov 17 04:45:03 <Leeds> p0windah: any clue on when it might become non-private?
Nov 17 04:45:22 <p0windah> leeds, couldnt say - but it does work
Nov 17 04:45:43 <Leeds> cool, good to know :)
Nov 17 04:45:49 <Leeds> been waiting for that for a while
Nov 17 04:45:50 <audiofx> gotcha
Nov 17 04:45:57 <audiofx> i am working on getting all my tag info right in media player
Nov 17 04:46:01 <audiofx> since its already in windows
Nov 17 04:46:04 <audiofx> and syncing with droid
Nov 17 04:46:15 <audiofx> and also syncing music i buy on the go with amazon mp3
Nov 17 04:46:24 <audiofx> i must admit apple/itunes does make that part of things very easy
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Nov 17 07:59:03 <pfn> yes, it should be completely possible, just not implemented yet
Nov 17 07:59:22 * pfn twiddles thumbs
Nov 17 08:12:14 <rp4k> leed
Nov 17 08:12:18 <rp4k> Leeds:
Nov 17 08:12:25 <rp4k> where could i find a sim network unlock pin
Nov 17 08:23:30 <Leeds> rp4k: somewhere like http://www.unlock-tmobileg1.com/ as |Jason8| told you
Nov 17 08:24:38 <rp4k> yeah but its not free
Nov 17 08:24:56 <rp4k> i would have figured someone had the code
Nov 17 08:24:59 <rp4k> or software
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