**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 27 02:59:57 2007
Nov 27 03:45:59 <jasta> yargh, Java...
Nov 27 03:46:16 <jasta> how on earth do i simply get a string representing the date as formatted appropriately for the current locale!?
Nov 27 03:52:26 <d03boy> gregoriancalendar?
Nov 27 03:52:28 <d03boy> dunno
Nov 27 04:03:47 <getoo> why so long ... mid 2008 .. i cant wait :)
Nov 27 04:05:23 <d03boy> because people dont like shitty software
Nov 27 04:06:32 <joejaxx> getoo: :P i was just mentioned before i wish i had a prototype :P
Nov 27 04:07:13 <jasta> everyone wishes they had a prototype, come up with something original to want.
Nov 27 04:07:32 <jasta> or hijack one from a google engineer.
Nov 27 04:25:10 <jerkface03> a prototype? how about a fully implemented emulator
Nov 27 04:25:16 <jerkface03> unlike the one available now
Nov 27 04:25:33 <jasta> that would be better, in fact.
Nov 27 04:47:07 <jasta> Hmm, getLineBounds() does not work as I expected, damn.
Nov 27 04:48:25 <jasta> specifically, the Rect argument does not determine a useful set of boundaries.  I expected it to have r.right - r.left represents the total width of the text on that line, not simply the width of the measureSpec.
Nov 27 04:56:06 <d03boy> http://finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=GOOG
Nov 27 04:57:16 <jasta> oh, but text.getLayout().getLineRight(int) satifies what I want.
Nov 27 04:57:20 <jasta> or at least, it seems to.
Nov 27 05:07:54 <jasta> man, this custom layout of mine is sweet :)
Nov 27 05:08:28 <jasta> i really need to figure out the stupid listview margins though :(
Nov 27 05:15:31 <Nescio> hey jasta
Nov 27 05:15:35 <jasta> sup :)
Nov 27 05:15:49 <Nescio> You got your text to display correctly?
Nov 27 05:15:57 <jasta> yeah, and i'm dying to show someone how i did it :)
Nov 27 05:16:07 <Nescio> please do tell ;P
Nov 27 05:16:19 <jasta> i'm thinking about just packing up a tarball and uploading it somewhere
Nov 27 05:16:29 <jasta> but i feel like there is still more work to be done...
Nov 27 05:16:51 <Nescio> I think developers will still appreciate it
Nov 27 05:17:17 <jasta> yeah, i suppose, but i currently have my service implementation turned off because it didn't work like how i wanted.
Nov 27 05:17:46 <Nescio> so it requires manual updates?
Nov 27 05:18:07 <jasta> well, yeah, but all the code is in place to synchronize with a service, i just don't have it turned on.
Nov 27 05:18:22 <jasta> primarily because i think it works sloppy and there is no visual feedback of what the service is doing which i do not like.
Nov 27 05:18:27 <Nescio> ah.... still can't get the service to push?
Nov 27 05:18:40 <jasta> yeah, i ignored it for now and moved on to UI stuff...
Nov 27 05:18:52 <jasta> also, there is a stupid UI bug when using the "refresh all" feature.
Nov 27 05:18:55 <Nescio> hehe, hopefully something better will come to you :)
Nov 27 05:19:00 <jasta> that smacks of me not knowing Java as well as I should.
Nov 27 05:19:14 <jasta> and there's the ListView margins that should be fixed.
Nov 27 05:19:57 <Nescio> well, whenever you figure it out shoot me an email at nesciodev at gmail... I'm dying to look it over :)
Nov 27 05:20:34 <jasta> oh, i'll show you right now if you want.
Nov 27 05:20:40 <Nescio> sure
Nov 27 05:20:42 <jasta> i just don't want to "release it" (announce big) yet.
Nov 27 05:20:47 <Nescio> hehe
Nov 27 05:21:02 <jasta> let me tarball it...
Nov 27 05:21:26 <jasta> also, when i relesae, i want to have ant building a possibility and a better dist mechanism.
Nov 27 05:21:42 <jasta> taring up an eclipse directory hardly seems like a good distribution system.
Nov 27 05:22:24 <Nescio> for sure
Nov 27 05:23:55 <jasta> ok, i think this is everything
Nov 27 05:23:56 <jasta> let me send it to you
Nov 27 05:24:43 <Nescio> cool - I have to reboot real fast, brb
Nov 27 05:24:53 <jasta> Ok, just sent.
Nov 27 05:25:00 <jasta> I look forward to some initial comments.
Nov 27 05:34:12 <jasta> Nescio: wb.
Nov 27 05:35:30 <Nescio> ty - sorry about that... I dont know what is wrong with gmail but it's been crashing my browser for the past few weeks
Nov 27 05:36:33 <d03boy> maybe its your browser
Nov 27 05:36:47 <Nescio> I'm sure it is...
Nov 27 05:38:01 <Lede> switch to older version..
Nov 27 05:38:31 <Lede> (of gmail)
Nov 27 05:43:00 <Nescio> hmm...so when I click on the feed, it creates another activity?
Nov 27 05:44:18 <jasta> Nescio: yes, that is how you are supposed to do it.
Nov 27 05:44:30 <jasta> an Activity is a screen, not a process.  all of the activity's are still held in the same process.
Nov 27 05:44:37 <jasta> Activity's are analogous to windows.
Nov 27 05:45:10 <jasta> or rather, anything that you'd want to put in the application stack (so the back button works as expected)
Nov 27 05:45:26 <Nescio> I agree... heh, just got a little confused because they looked very similar... and I couldn't "de-click" for lack of a better word
Nov 27 05:45:40 <jasta> you use esc to go back
Nov 27 05:45:50 <Nescio> yup, figured it out :)
Nov 27 05:46:01 <jasta> you haven't played with android much, have you? :)
Nov 27 05:47:14 <Nescio> I have, I just didn't realized it spawned a new activity, it looked like the same listview ;P
Nov 27 05:47:24 <jasta> yes, it did, because i matched the padding and layout :)
Nov 27 05:50:54 <Nescio> hehe, finally found a feed with some content - your listview looks really good :)
Nov 27 05:52:23 <jasta> yes, it does :)
Nov 27 05:52:32 <jasta> i use rss.slashdot.org/SlashDot/slashdot for testing
Nov 27 05:52:54 <jasta> it even changes the bold state based on whether or not you've read the item.
Nov 27 05:53:04 <Nescio> yup noticed that :)
Nov 27 05:53:28 <jasta> and, if the title is too long, it will wrap to a third line rather than clobber all over the date.
Nov 27 05:53:40 <jasta> that's the special magic i've been playing with tonight.  RSSPostListRow is neat :)
Nov 27 05:53:53 <jasta> totally custom layout extending ViewGroup
Nov 27 05:54:52 <Nescio> very cool - I'll dig through the code tonight :)  (and I thought I was gonna get to sleep, heh)
Nov 27 05:56:15 <Nescio> need paste support
Nov 27 05:57:18 <Android001> hello every body..
Nov 27 05:57:36 <Android001> i have a small doubt on Android
Nov 27 05:57:50 <Android001> actually i m working for Gaming Industry...
Nov 27 05:57:54 <Android001> for Mobile games..
Nov 27 05:58:38 <Android001> hello can any body help in this manner..
Nov 27 05:58:59 <Lede> ask away
Nov 27 05:59:11 <Android001> actually i m working for mobile games..
Nov 27 05:59:25 <Android001> so coming to android hw much good for games...
Nov 27 06:00:25 <Lede> your english is really wack
Nov 27 06:00:34 <jasta> hehe, yeah :)
Nov 27 06:00:44 <Android001> its..ok..
Nov 27 06:00:52 <jasta> not so much, no
Nov 27 06:01:14 <Android001> i heard this android is very good for mobile applications...
Nov 27 06:01:25 <Android001> especailly for web browsers...
Nov 27 06:01:30 <Android001> wat abt mobile games...
Nov 27 06:05:18 <Android001> hello any body..there............
Nov 27 06:11:49 <jasta> Android001: This channel is English speaking, however you are not :)
Nov 27 06:22:56 <jasta> Nescio: if you really want to help me out, figure out how to remove the margins in my RSSPostList ListView :)
Nov 27 06:23:06 <Nescio> kk
Nov 27 06:24:55 <jasta> i want the line that draws underneath each row in RSSPostListRow to extend to the edge of the screen
Nov 27 06:26:07 <Nescio> yea, I noticed that it didn't extend all the way...
Nov 27 06:27:18 <jasta> but that can't be done unless the ListView that contains it gets its pesky implicit margins removed.
Nov 27 06:29:34 <jasta> then i'll implement the margins in the TextView's in RSSPostListRow
Nov 27 07:11:35 <Nescio> jasta: no dice so far... I'll keep looking at it, bbiab
Nov 27 07:16:04 <jasta> Nescio: i tried to figure it out for a while :)
Nov 27 07:46:20 <Nescio> jasta: in post_list.xml, add - android:listSelector="@drawable/{NewSelector}"
Nov 27 07:46:36 <Nescio> to your ListView
Nov 27 07:55:11 <Nescio> ...I have no idea why that works - let me know if you find out, otherwise it's a workable hack
Nov 27 08:28:12 <jasta> Nescio: seriously?  that is f'n weird.
Nov 27 08:29:41 <Nescio> yea I know!
Nov 27 08:30:59 <Nescio> anyway, I sleep time for me... let me know if you find a solution that actually makes sense. :)
Nov 27 08:31:05 <jasta> Nescio: how'd you figure that out?
Nov 27 08:31:21 <jasta> Nescio: before you go, any first impressions i should hear? :)
Nov 27 08:31:23 <Nescio> I was trying to figure out how to redraw the selector rect
Nov 27 08:31:40 <Nescio> err... redraw/resize
Nov 27 08:31:53 <jasta> yeah, i wanted to resize it too so that it didn't cover the horizontal bar i drew
Nov 27 08:32:59 <Nescio> umm, no it looks good... I changed the text in the empty box to: "No posts... Press [Back] to continue..." just to remind myself...
Nov 27 08:33:49 <Nescio> and... i am not sure if using the menu is intuitive... since not every activity has a menu, it kinda felt like magic...
Nov 27 08:33:49 <jasta> yeah, obviously it should download the initial set of posts when you click "add", but i haven't done that yet.
Nov 27 08:33:59 <Nescio> can you make a toolbar?
Nov 27 08:34:19 <jasta> no, i think menus will be the intuitive driver for the whole platform, so users will just want to get used to that mechanic.
Nov 27 08:35:07 <Nescio> hehe, fair... and like I said, it's probably just me... I like my touchscreen phone... and I like being one click away from everything
Nov 27 08:35:22 <Nescio> but that doesn't seem to be the goal of this platform
Nov 27 08:35:46 <jasta> i'm sure google will think of something
Nov 27 08:36:15 <Nescio> I'll keep using it, I'm dying to get into the rest of the code... I'll let you know if I think of anything :)
Nov 27 08:36:16 <Nescio> g'night
Nov 27 08:36:28 <jasta> night
Nov 27 08:36:43 <jasta> i'll try to get a proper release out soon
Nov 27 08:36:57 <jasta> i want to convert all my layouts to using XML as well
Nov 27 08:37:00 <jasta> just haven't gotten to it :)
Nov 27 08:37:00 <Nescio> cool - heh, I subscribed to your blog ;P
Nov 27 08:37:11 <jasta> lol :)
Nov 27 08:37:38 <jasta> i also want to see if there's a way to hook into the web browser to have my app try to handle xml feeds
Nov 27 08:37:48 <jasta> or something, not sure how they've designed that
Nov 27 08:38:11 <jasta> so maybe if you got an email with a link to an rss feed, you could just click it to add to your rss reader
Nov 27 08:40:34 <jasta> you're totally right though, the listSelector somehow controls the padding.
Nov 27 08:40:36 <jasta> that is so goofy
Nov 27 08:48:33 <Nescio> I just thought of something... Do you think they used a 9patch?
Nov 27 08:51:53 <jasta> Nescio: what's a 9patch?
Nov 27 08:54:15 <Nescio> http://code.google.com/android/reference/available-resources.html#ninepatch
Nov 27 08:54:30 <Nescio> that must be it.... how annoying
Nov 27 08:55:20 <Nescio> anyway, I really need to get some sleep - catch ya tomorrow
Nov 27 09:54:53 <jasta> it'd be neat if like holding down the back button showed you the full history stack and let you navigate directly to an app way back in the stack.
Nov 27 10:17:02 <Android001> hello there
Nov 27 10:17:17 <Android001> is there any expert from google or ..........
Nov 27 10:17:19 <Android001> ?
Nov 27 10:18:01 <duey> see topic
Nov 27 10:18:26 <duey> but ask your question
Nov 27 10:18:31 <duey> might be able to answer it
Nov 27 10:19:47 <Android001> IS there any Class etc present in Android SDK to get inforamtion about CELL ID and BSC in GSM networks
Nov 27 10:19:48 <Android001> etc
Nov 27 10:20:10 <Android001> I have seen the telephoy package but can not find anything
Nov 27 10:20:18 <Android001> ?
Nov 27 10:23:35 <Android001> sorry logout
Nov 27 10:23:44 <Android001> I am putting my question again
Nov 27 10:24:04 <duey> http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/telephony/TelephonyProperties.html
Nov 27 10:24:26 <Android001> "how can we get CELL ID and BSC information in GSM networks" in android
Nov 27 10:24:46 <Android001> I have seen it but there is nothing regarding cell id
Nov 27 10:24:49 <Android001> or BSC
Nov 27 10:24:58 <Android001> I have seen the properties file
Nov 27 10:26:42 <duey> don't know sorry
Nov 27 10:26:58 <duey> if you email the mailing list they may be able to help you
Nov 27 10:28:56 <Android001> no problem thanks for your response
Nov 27 10:30:09 <Android001> what about the mailing list , can u explain a bit
Nov 27 10:30:17 <Android001> I mean how I can do that
Nov 27 10:32:56 <duey> http://code.google.com/android/groups.html
Nov 27 10:33:24 <Android001> thanks
Nov 27 14:41:47 <Dralspire> lmao I had to laugh so hard yesterday. People usually make fun of some of the stuff I bring with me, e.g. silverware, plates, cups etc., but yesterday they ran a report on hotel cleaning of glasses, and it was uber-disgusting :D
Nov 27 15:30:02 <davidw> Dralspire, ?
Nov 27 15:30:07 <Dralspire> :-)
Nov 27 15:30:37 <Dralspire> I just had a good laugh at top hotels washing the glasses in the toilet ... it looked very hygienic :D
Nov 27 16:30:00 * morrildl is back
Nov 27 16:30:29 <morrildl> 109 users, I think htat's a new record
Nov 27 16:30:37 <Dralspire> yay :-)
Nov 27 16:31:07 <davidw> they're just idling, though
Nov 27 16:31:14 <davidw> or busy coding?
Nov 27 16:31:16 <Dralspire> lmao they are android-ing :P
Nov 27 16:32:29 <Zer0Her0> haha
Nov 27 16:32:47 <bas0> I'm android-ing :) and I have a question.. I've created and EditText in the .xml. I would make a counter of the chars and display it
Nov 27 16:32:59 <bas0> anyone with experience 'bout this?
Nov 27 16:33:15 <davidw> their minds have been possessed by Google who is using them to create a robot army to conquer the world with
Nov 27 16:40:20 <morrildl> bas0: you should be able to just use getText() + string length
Nov 27 16:43:48 <bas0> morrildl, do you mean something like  String centerText = usernameEditText.getText().toString();  ?
Nov 27 16:44:19 <Stephmw> toString().length()
Nov 27 16:44:23 <Stephmw> gives back an int
Nov 27 16:46:02 <bas0> mmh.. ok
Nov 27 16:51:04 <morrildl> bas0: yes exactly
Nov 27 16:53:52 <jasta> hiya morrildl.
Nov 27 16:55:13 <bas0> mmh.. how can I return that int to the .xml file?
Nov 27 16:56:26 <dims> morrildl: ping
Nov 27 16:58:34 <dims> morrildl: any pointers/docs to JNI? keep getting SIGSEGV's on shared objects that i build.
Nov 27 16:59:00 <dims> morrildl: latest cross compiler command line looks like this - "arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -o libNativeAdd.so -shared -fpic -Wl,-soname,libNativeAdd.so -I/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/include -I/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/include/linux org_apache_NativeAdd.c -static -lc"
Nov 27 17:04:09 <davidw> dims, tried it with a regular desktop java yet?
Nov 27 17:04:58 <dims> davidw: yep
Nov 27 17:04:58 <davidw> or for that matter does building a shared library that can be opened dlopen even work?
Nov 27 17:06:38 <dims> davidw: see some ddms stack/heap dump here - http://slexy.org/index.php/view/s2tJDiSbDz
Nov 27 17:07:53 <dims> if i use the same command w/o "arm-none-linux-gnueabi-" prefix - the generated so works find in a linux box under jdk15
Nov 27 17:08:05 <dims> if i use the same command w/o "arm-none-linux-gnueabi-" prefix - the generated so works fine in a linux box under jdk15
Nov 27 17:09:56 <davidw> hrm.  Looks like a fun debugging problem;-)
Nov 27 17:10:45 <dims> been at it since yesterday :)
Nov 27 17:30:14 <haavi> eschh, on this page: http://code.google.com/android/devel/ui/layout.html it says that a TableLayout can span columns but on this page: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/widget/TableLayout.html it says the complete opposite
Nov 27 17:30:31 <haavi> it's abit confusing
Nov 27 17:31:52 <Stephmw> bas0: I'm not sure I understand why you'd need to 'return' an int to the layout description file...
Nov 27 17:31:59 <haavi> I figure it's not possible thhough
Nov 27 17:32:36 <haavi> he wants to set the text for his view I think
Nov 27 17:33:39 <bas0> Stephmw, the user write down something in an EditText declared in the .xml. I import this and convert it to int and now I want to return this int to a TextView in the xml
Nov 27 17:33:49 <haavi> view.setText("ahoj");
Nov 27 17:34:43 <Stephmw> setText("the int was "+theInt);
Nov 27 17:34:44 <Stephmw> etc, etc
Nov 27 17:35:10 <bas0> ok, thanks
Nov 27 17:36:26 <Stephmw> the xml is just descriptive really
Nov 27 17:43:24 <bas0> what does it mean that view cannot be resolved :/?
Nov 27 17:49:47 <jasta> hey haavi, I finially finished my custom layout widget :)
Nov 27 17:50:03 <haavi> cool
Nov 27 17:50:09 <jasta> it even knows to force the layout to be 3 lines long in the event that the 2nd line would clobber the right hanging date widget
Nov 27 17:50:27 <jasta> it's of course more general than that, it could be 4, 5, 6, whatever lines.
Nov 27 17:50:27 <Stephmw> bas0: off the top of my head it means either you're asking for a textview you didn't define in the xml, or you're using the wrong name
Nov 27 17:50:41 <haavi> that's really nice
Nov 27 17:50:43 <jasta> haavi: Interested in taking a peak?
Nov 27 17:50:48 <haavi> yes
Nov 27 17:52:04 <jasta> Got an e-mail I can send it to?  Not ready to post all of it just yet...
Nov 27 17:53:11 <haavi> ah, but I can wait for the real release
Nov 27 17:53:31 <jasta> ok, i was hoping to have something to publish sunday but i didn't quite finish.
Nov 27 17:53:35 <jasta> tomorrow night probably...
Nov 27 17:53:36 <pezzo> hey, is https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ working?
Nov 27 17:53:53 <haavi> ok, looking forward to it :)
Nov 27 17:53:57 <jasta> i have to work out a few bugs caused by my lack of familiarity with Java :)
Nov 27 17:55:04 <haavi> I can't get the TableLayout I'm working on behave like I want it to :/
Nov 27 17:55:25 <haavi> for some of the rows I need one more cell than on the others
Nov 27 17:56:02 <Stephmw> group em by columns instead?
Nov 27 17:56:04 <haavi> works fine creating empty cells on the other rows too but it also adds a gap there
Nov 27 17:56:27 <haavi> yeah I already am
Nov 27 17:56:32 <haavi> with TableRows
Nov 27 17:58:09 <haavi> not being able to span a column over two other columns makes me think I shouldn't have used a TableLayout in the first place
Nov 27 17:58:38 <jasta> I was really surprised how simple it was to extend ViewGroup actually.
Nov 27 17:59:00 <jasta> once i saw how LinearLayout and RelativeLayout did it (hehe, decompiled them), it became a lot clearer.
Nov 27 18:00:04 <romainguy_> haavi: You can span a column
Nov 27 18:00:21 <romainguy_> or more precisely, a cell
Nov 27 18:00:31 <haavi> oh?
Nov 27 18:00:57 <haavi> I couldn't find anything in the docs about that..
Nov 27 18:02:47 <romainguy_> haavi: http://code.google.com/android/samples/ApiDemos/res/layout/table_layout_12.html
Nov 27 18:05:29 <haavi> ok, but how do I set layout_span programatically then?
Nov 27 18:06:01 <romainguy_> using the TableRow.LayoutParams
Nov 27 18:09:03 <Lede> oh google guys
Nov 27 18:09:30 <haavi> using the first constructor? TableRow.LayoutParams(Context c, AttributeSet attrs)?
Nov 27 18:12:23 <Lede> romainguy_: how is the bug tracking system coming along, if there will be any
Nov 27 18:17:07 <haavi> oh, I just have to set the span variable?!
Nov 27 18:19:16 <romainguy_> haavi: Yes :)
Nov 27 18:19:36 <haavi> nice :)
Nov 27 18:19:56 <haavi> thanks alot
Nov 27 18:20:01 <Lede> romainguy_: what about my question, or did you pop() it out of your question stack
Nov 27 18:21:45 <romainguy_> Lede: I cannot answer this question
Nov 27 18:21:57 <Lede> ok
Nov 27 19:32:09 <getoo> i have a htc touch and i just got it ( i use sprint btw) will i be able to install android on it when its released , or do i have to buy a new one with android embeded in it
Nov 27 19:34:37 <nagaxen> getoo: too early to tell
Nov 27 19:36:18 <getoo> that makes me sad :(
Nov 27 19:36:23 <getoo> i wish it as so tho
Nov 27 19:37:11 <getoo> also i wish it was possible to install it on a iphone ( no i dont have one)  just for more options , even hto iphone will open up for 3rd party apps
Nov 27 19:38:08 <davidw> if it's open enough, and you're a badass hacker, yes, you'll be able to do it
Nov 27 19:39:43 <getoo> i dont see why not , google lets u dev on all 3 os ( win , mac and linux)
Nov 27 19:40:33 <davidw> great, so start hacking
Nov 27 19:40:39 <Dralspire> lmao indeed
Nov 27 19:46:06 <jasta> hehe
Nov 27 19:46:11 <jasta> getoo: are you a badass hacker? :)
Nov 27 19:46:26 <getoo> neah , i am a n00b :)
Nov 27 19:46:33 <getoo> i can use nano tho :)
Nov 27 19:46:37 <jasta> We know, I wasn't seriously asking.
Nov 27 19:47:25 <getoo> <<< knows a few badass hackers that like to pretend are n00bs :)
Nov 27 19:47:40 <davidw> getoo, basically, there are no phones that ship with android on them at the moment, so lots of hacking skills would be required right now
Nov 27 19:48:31 <davidw> getoo, http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973
Nov 27 19:49:19 <getoo> no , i wasnt talking about right now
Nov 27 19:49:29 <getoo> i was talking about mid 2008 :)
Nov 27 19:49:42 <getoo> on my original question that is
Nov 27 19:49:46 <Dralspire> you know, the Germans have a saying, "Der Fuchs ist schlau und stellt sich dumm ... beim (...) ist es anders herum" (The fox is smart and acts stupid, and the (...) is the opposite)
Nov 27 19:52:38 <Lede> weasel?
Nov 27 19:52:49 <Dralspire> hm, no idea :-)
Nov 27 19:53:12 <Lede> or turtle
Nov 27 19:53:15 <Lede> :-P
Nov 27 19:55:47 * Lede thinks yahoo, must be a spy
Nov 27 20:25:36 <Dralspire> lmao Lorena Bobbitt on Court TV ... Now there is another woman I would never date :P
Nov 27 20:25:46 <pandora--> ha yeah huh
Nov 27 20:26:00 <getoo> Lorena is hot and she knows how to use a knife
Nov 27 20:26:08 <Dralspire> lol
Nov 27 20:26:11 <pandora--> part 2 of that is unhot.
Nov 27 20:27:05 <davidw> I knew a dude in SF who was so proud that he met a girl who pulled out a knife while they were in bed
Nov 27 20:27:38 <pandora--> gaaaaaaahhhh not cool!
Nov 27 20:27:42 <Dralspire> hehe
Nov 27 20:28:00 <cutmasta> lol
Nov 27 20:28:31 <Dralspire> There is a reason why my girlfriends don't get handguns of their own :P
Nov 27 20:30:46 <getoo> Dralspire: girlfriends lie all the time
Nov 27 20:30:56 <getoo> she pro already got one :)
Nov 27 20:31:00 <Dralspire> hehe
Nov 27 20:31:01 <pandora--> happy to say mine owns no guns or knives
Nov 27 20:31:02 <pandora--> whew.
Nov 27 20:31:21 <Dralspire> ... or so you think, Pandora :P
Nov 27 20:36:31 <pandora--> noooooo!!!!!
Nov 27 20:36:38 <pandora--> ya she hates guns
Nov 27 20:36:40 <pandora--> i dig it.
Nov 27 20:38:30 <Zer0Her0> just throwing you off the scent ;)
Nov 27 20:38:38 * Dralspire snickers
Nov 27 21:29:46 * morrildl wakes up
Nov 27 21:29:48 <morrildl> who? what? where?
Nov 27 21:29:52 <pandora--> eh
Nov 27 21:33:07 <morrildl> dims: Dalvik is a totally different codebase from Sun's JVM (since, ultimately, Dalvik isn't a JVM at all :))
Nov 27 21:33:26 <morrildl> dims: so for one thing linking against the Sun libs is probably not going to help much
Nov 27 21:35:07 <cybereagle> yeah i already found minor difference in dalvik from suns jvm that caught me out for a bit
Nov 27 21:36:38 <morrildl> cybereagle: I expect you'll find more than minor differences :)
Nov 27 21:37:13 <cybereagle> yeah but in only just got started hehe
Nov 27 21:37:42 <cybereagle> made me switch to java.nio, which turned out to be a better choice for lots of other reasons
Nov 27 21:40:13 <cybereagle> so question if anyone knows: generally, is it better to avoid having to keep remaking/resizing arrays, or better to avoid using a structure which needs to use an Iterator?
Nov 27 21:41:26 <dims> morrildl: the gcc was just using the jni headers from sun, not linking against sun's shared object. will poke around a bit more. was looking at the method sigs of libNativeHelper.so (the icu methods), those look pretty much normal.
Nov 27 21:42:17 <dims> i feel i am missing a few flags (could be totally wrong :)
Nov 27 21:43:43 <morrildl> dims: yeah you'll need to link against the Android/Dalvik libraries
Nov 27 21:43:56 <morrildl> dims: unfortunately I don't know what those are, and they may not even be available right now :(
Nov 27 21:44:32 <morrildl> dims: OTOH if you are just trying to make a "hello world" style C routine, maybe you can get away w/ statically linking
Nov 27 21:45:19 <dims> morrildl: yep, that would be a good start!
Nov 27 21:45:20 <morrildl> cybereagle: iterators in Java are generally less efficient than straight-up for loops
Nov 27 21:45:45 <morrildl> cybereagle: however typically because they involve autoboxing and suchlike
Nov 27 21:46:05 <morrildl> cybereagle: on a device like a phone, you probably do want to avoid resizing arrays if possible, as that will be expensive
Nov 27 21:46:59 <morrildl> cybereagle: so in other words, if doing a straight-up for-loop involves autoboxing or grabbing explicit iterators, etc., then a "for ( Object x : y)" loop will be fine.  Just be aware that you're incurring overhead if you use that.
Nov 27 21:47:27 <morrildl> cybereagle: our general rule of thumb is:  "in an API intended for others to use, do whatever is right.  For non-public code, code as efficiently as possible"
Nov 27 21:49:15 <haavi> do whatever is right is a good motto :)
Nov 27 21:51:05 <cybereagle> lol
Nov 27 21:51:10 <davidw> "right" may have different meanings
Nov 27 21:52:08 <cybereagle> well i have a few LinkedLists, and gonna be adding and removing in random places which would mean a lot of array shuffling, i figured that would probably be more expensive that using Iterators even though they're generally to be avoided, but i wasnt sure
Nov 27 22:12:51 <davidw> mmm, is it possible to move around on a WebView?
Nov 27 22:23:13 <davidw> sleep time...
Nov 27 22:36:30 <cutmasta> bye all
Nov 27 22:48:17 <morrildl> rwhitby: 110, nice work on your bots
Nov 27 22:54:01 <andreaf> hi *
Nov 27 22:55:07 <erus`> hi andreaf
Nov 27 22:56:45 <andreaf> hi erus'
Nov 27 23:06:20 <rwhitby> morrildl: still not on the correct gradient for 500 by Feb :-(
Nov 27 23:07:50 <duey> heh
Nov 27 23:07:54 <duey> its remained fairly static
Nov 27 23:08:03 <duey> maybe you should find a script kiddie with a botnet
Nov 27 23:08:14 <duey> but i guess thats cheating!
Nov 27 23:11:19 <haavi> hmzz, I can't seem to left align ImageViews that are children of TableRows which spans over several cells
Nov 27 23:11:28 <haavi> there's just no way of doing it properly
Nov 27 23:12:20 <haavi> setGravity doesn't work, and I can't set its width because TableRows force the width to FILL_PARENT
Nov 27 23:13:31 <haavi> and I dunno what centers them in the cell to begin with either
Nov 27 23:13:56 <haavi> or why they get centered, it's not logical
Nov 27 23:14:52 <haavi> anyone here messed around alot with TableLayout?
Nov 27 23:30:34 <romainguy_> haavi: Use the layout gravity, not gravity
Nov 27 23:30:48 <romainguy_> haavi: see table_layout_11.xml in the ApiDemos
Nov 27 23:31:01 <haavi> yeah I've already tried that
Nov 27 23:31:26 <haavi> and setColumnShrinkable doesn't do the trick either
Nov 27 23:31:52 <haavi> I thought that was suppose to wrap the column to as small as it can be?
Nov 27 23:32:20 <romainguy_> haavi: *only* if tablelayout needs to reclaim space
Nov 27 23:32:28 <romainguy_> (i.e. if the table is larger than the screen)
Nov 27 23:32:50 <haavi> ok
Nov 27 23:34:57 <haavi> no I'm about to give up on this
Nov 27 23:35:21 <haavi> have to try a different approach I suppose
Nov 28 00:02:48 <lnxnt> the lates version of the sdk, is it m3-rc22a ?
Nov 28 00:04:47 <haavi> yes
Nov 28 00:06:01 <nikolaj_sd> is the emulator source available?
Nov 28 00:06:54 <lnxnt> haavi: thanks
Nov 28 00:47:50 <lnxnt> How to cure "com.google.android.providers.media is not responding" error?
Nov 28 00:56:05 <lnxnt> what is DDMS?
Nov 28 00:58:18 <morrildl> lnxnt: DDMS is the Dalvik Debugger Monitor Service
Nov 28 00:58:48 <morrildl> lnxnt: DDMS is a control panel for the various debugging stuff you frequently need to do
Nov 28 00:59:04 <morrildl> lets you kill processes, take screenshots, view the heap, view threads, etc.
Nov 28 01:07:41 <d03boy> how's it going morrildl
Nov 28 01:08:10 <Dralspire> Hi penguins :D
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