**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:56 2007
Dec 05 03:09:39 <Knat> I'm trying to build my first program, when I run 'ant build.xml' I get the folowing
Dec 05 03:09:40 <Knat> Target "build.xml" does not exist in the project "ActivityName"
Dec 05 03:12:35 <Knat> i though build.xml is the file needed to build the program, why would it need to exist in the project
Dec 05 03:14:40 <Luniv> ant automatically looks for a build.xml file
Dec 05 03:14:47 <Luniv> you don't need to specify it
Dec 05 03:15:24 <Luniv> and if you did, you'd run ant as "ant -f <name of build file>.xml <target>
Dec 05 03:22:00 <Luniv> jasta: doesn't look like there's any documented way of getting a list/handle of running applications :(
Dec 05 03:41:42 <jasta> Luniv: i'm not looking at the possibility of that now...
Dec 05 03:41:59 <jasta> obviously the data is somewhere...when the source is available, maybe someone will come in and write something cool to hook into it like that.
Dec 05 03:42:59 <jasta> lst
Dec 05 03:43:01 <jasta> oops
Dec 05 03:45:31 <Luniv> ah
Dec 05 03:45:42 <Luniv> I was just curious, so I thought I'd look anyway ;)
Dec 05 03:46:13 <jasta> sigh, i'm tired.  gotta try to get my second wind :)
Dec 05 03:47:02 <Luniv> just think clean, pristine code... :p
Dec 05 03:56:55 <jasta> it won't really be pristine now will it.
Dec 05 03:59:36 <Luniv> well
Dec 05 03:59:41 <absentia> ha
Dec 05 03:59:48 <Luniv> you could drink till you believe it...
Dec 05 03:59:56 <Luniv> beer googles and all that
Dec 05 04:00:42 <Luniv> http://xkcd.com/323/
Dec 05 04:01:06 <absentia> yup
Dec 05 04:02:16 <jasta> ohhh, are we pasting funny comics now?
Dec 05 04:02:19 <jasta> http://xkcd.com/347/
Dec 05 04:02:21 <jasta> hehe
Dec 05 04:03:40 <Luniv> heh
Dec 05 04:04:00 <Luniv> http://xkcd.com/303/ is good too
Dec 05 04:04:16 <Luniv> I use that excuse every now and then to go play foosball, heh
Dec 05 04:06:08 <jasta> http://xkcd.com/114/
Dec 05 04:06:53 <Luniv> hey!
Dec 05 04:06:58 <jasta> hehe
Dec 05 04:07:00 <Luniv> I studied that in university
Dec 05 04:07:10 <absentia> what is it?
Dec 05 04:07:17 <jasta> i'll buy you a button that says "FUCK COMPUTATIONAL LINGUISTS" ;)
Dec 05 04:07:24 <Luniv> lol
Dec 05 04:08:15 * Luniv trys to remember how to write "screw you" in IPA
Dec 05 04:08:19 <Luniv> ;)
Dec 05 04:12:04 <jasta> well, do you remember? :) hehe
Dec 05 04:13:32 <Luniv> vaguely
Dec 05 04:13:51 <Luniv> too lazy though :p
Dec 05 05:14:33 <jasta> Luniv: so, did you hear about Verizon?
Dec 05 05:14:52 <Luniv> opening up their network?
Dec 05 05:14:58 <Dralspire> haha so predictable :D
Dec 05 05:14:58 <jasta> no, joining OHA.
Dec 05 05:15:04 <Luniv> nope
Dec 05 05:15:08 <Luniv> they did?
Dec 05 05:15:11 <jasta> yup, they did.
Dec 05 05:15:15 <Luniv> nifty
Dec 05 05:15:25 <jasta> that leaves only 1 US carrier out of the loop.
Dec 05 05:15:38 <Luniv> which one is that? at&t?
Dec 05 05:15:47 <jasta> yeah
Dec 05 05:16:41 <jerkface03> lol
Dec 05 05:16:48 <Luniv> figures
Dec 05 05:16:55 <jerkface03> they're trying to dissuade google from bidding on the freq
Dec 05 05:17:01 <jasta> not really.  Verizon's been behaving oddly in the past month or so.
Dec 05 05:17:29 <jasta> jerkface03: but isn't that exactly what Google wants?
Dec 05 05:17:39 <Luniv> heh, I can't think of anything to do with my reader, so I just made it prettier. gave my entries list open/collapse arrows
Dec 05 05:18:06 <jerkface03> what? to not bid on the freq?
Dec 05 05:18:09 <Luniv> Didn't verizon say they are planning to open up their network?
Dec 05 05:18:16 <jerkface03> they're not going to open shit
Dec 05 05:18:25 <jerkface03> it's a duopoly
Dec 05 05:18:33 <jerkface03> no competition
Dec 05 05:18:37 <jerkface03> they can artifically keep prices high
Dec 05 05:18:50 <jerkface03> and offer poor service
Dec 05 05:18:53 <jasta> no, they really can't.
Dec 05 05:20:49 <jasta> US carriers compete mostly through service gimmicks and handset availability these days.  opening things up takes away that edge, leaving just quality of service and cost as deciding factors for consumers.
Dec 05 05:21:16 <jerkface03> what the hell are you talking about
Dec 05 05:21:37 <jasta> what are you talking about, i wonder.
Dec 05 05:21:50 <jerkface03> who's the third / fourth / fifth / sixth/ etc.. provider?
Dec 05 05:21:56 * Dralspire giggles
Dec 05 05:22:04 <jerkface03> what's the incentive for them to do anything when there's no competition?
Dec 05 05:22:10 <Luniv> he, at least you get more then we do in Canada
Dec 05 05:22:14 <jerkface03> they can just keep prices high and lock everything down
Dec 05 05:22:19 <jerkface03> no actually i don't
Dec 05 05:22:22 <Luniv> if I want a GSM phone, I can pick Rogers, or Rogers
Dec 05 05:22:23 <jerkface03> i get raped in data charges
Dec 05 05:22:24 <jasta> jerkface03: In the US, there isn't even a fifth or sixth, BTW.  At least not competing.
Dec 05 05:22:55 <jerkface03> in canada it's telus and rogers. 50 megs of transfer on rogers costs me $100 dollars
Dec 05 05:23:00 <jasta> jerkface03: Raped?  In the US?  Data cost in the US is better than nearly every other country in the world, except Japan.
Dec 05 05:23:08 <jerkface03> in CANADA
Dec 05 05:23:34 <jasta> So how do you presume to know the strategy of a carrier you have no experience with?
Dec 05 05:23:43 <jasta> You're argument is all over the place, jerk.
Dec 05 05:23:49 <jasta> hehe, i mean, jerkface03. :)
Dec 05 05:24:02 <jerkface03> i worked for a company for 2 years that had directly relations with both cingular and verizon
Dec 05 05:24:10 <jerkface03> and pretty much every other major carrier around the world
Dec 05 05:24:52 <jerkface03> and you?
Dec 05 05:25:14 <jasta> and your experience taught you that Verizon is in the business of lying to consumers, promising services and features that they do not intend to deliver?  The carriers are many things, but they are not outright liars.
Dec 05 05:25:53 <jasta> I, for one, have no reason to suspect that Verizon is somehow deceiving the OHA and US consumers by announcing their network will be open, with no plans to do so.  That simply would be bad for business.
Dec 05 05:26:20 <jasta> Especially since the OHA members have a lot of power over the carriers, when banded together.
Dec 05 05:26:43 <jerkface03> exactly. everything from blatent rate hykes, to incompetent staff that quote roaming datarates of 0.002 cents / kb, to kicking off consumers who "complain too much"
Dec 05 05:26:51 <jerkface03> seems like a pretty normal business to me
Dec 05 05:27:54 <jasta> And that evidence suggests to you that Verizon has not "really" joined the OHA, and will not "really" open their network?
Dec 05 05:28:14 <jerkface03> aha, yes. they'll open their networks, so they can lose control and lower profits
Dec 05 05:28:16 <jerkface03> you're exactly right
Dec 05 05:28:40 <jasta> So what then do you suppose they will do with their OHA membership and future claims of an open network?  Nothing at all?  2008 will come and go without them making a peep?
Dec 05 05:30:37 <jasta> Your arguments are centering around the assumption that carriers control everything, with no other player in the game.  That is very simply wrong.  The power is currently handed to the carriers by convention.  Now that handset manufacturers are starting to brand themselves directly with consumers, they are increasingly independent and able to ignore the carriers pursuit of wider profit margins.  This is the shift that you are missing.
Dec 05 05:31:22 <jasta> No company would voluntarily narrow their profit margins and decrease revenue, but many companies have been forced into doing so by an ever changing consumer market.
Dec 05 05:31:30 <jerkface03> shut up.
Dec 05 05:32:59 <jasta> You are entitled to your skepticism, sir.  But please be civil.
Dec 05 05:38:54 <jasta> Luniv: Can you have multiple managed cursors on an Activity?  Do you know?
Dec 05 05:39:54 <Luniv> Pretty sure you can
Dec 05 05:40:08 <Luniv> startManagingCursor just wraps the cursor
Dec 05 05:40:35 <jasta> yeah i know, all it does is call deactivate and requery
Dec 05 05:41:25 <Luniv> and I know I two managed cursors in an earlier version of my code (one main and one to do the feed read counts)
Dec 05 05:42:30 <Luniv> feeds that use images for their text links make me cry :(
Dec 05 05:42:41 <jasta> Luniv: tell me about it.
Dec 05 05:43:08 <Luniv> did you ever have a problem with WebView flashing white?
Dec 05 05:43:15 <Luniv> before loading the content
Dec 05 05:43:21 <jasta> no.
Dec 05 05:43:25 <Luniv> nuts
Dec 05 05:43:27 <Luniv> mine does
Dec 05 05:43:29 <jasta> hehe
Dec 05 05:43:34 <Luniv> it's trying to open a proxy oO
Dec 05 05:43:47 <jasta> how are you setting the background?  I did so using CSS.
Dec 05 05:43:53 <Luniv> same
Dec 05 05:44:02 <jasta> also, make sure the WebView is not set to layout_height="fill_parent".
Dec 05 05:44:23 <Luniv> why's that?
Dec 05 05:44:41 <jasta> well, i don't know specifically, but it seems possible that it would use white as it's default background before it loads any content.
Dec 05 05:45:12 <jasta> so if you used layout_height="fill_parent", it would be possible to actually draw with a positive height even when there was nothing there, and might draw white.  then, when content loads, it would draw correctly.
Dec 05 05:45:16 <jasta> i'm just guessing, though :)
Dec 05 05:45:35 <jasta> although, i apparently use fill_parent too, so what the hell do i know.
Dec 05 05:45:53 <Luniv> lol
Dec 05 05:46:06 <Luniv> I'm pretty sure it has to do with trying to load a proxy for some reason
Dec 05 05:46:07 <jasta> Luniv: btw, i am quite irritated that you can't simply set the WebView to have a transparent background.
Dec 05 05:46:21 <Luniv> it's trying to load http://null:null/
Dec 05 05:46:35 <Luniv> heh yeah, me too. That was the first thing I thought of
Dec 05 05:46:48 <Luniv> the javadoc is very misleading :(
Dec 05 05:46:51 <jasta> some google engineer claims he has entered a trouble ticket about that
Dec 05 05:47:01 <jasta> but who knows.  google is sort of acting funny in this channel.
Dec 05 05:47:26 <Luniv> I didn't even know there were google engineers in here untill yesterday
Dec 05 05:47:40 <jasta> well, i dont actually know that any of them are engineers, actually.
Dec 05 05:47:46 <jasta> i assume they are, but maybe that is not correct.
Dec 05 05:47:53 <Luniv> meh
Dec 05 05:48:03 <jasta> they could just be consultants hehe.
Dec 05 05:48:21 <romainguy> I am an engineer
Dec 05 05:48:30 <romainguy> And we do file/fix bugs you guys report
Dec 05 05:48:56 <jasta> spooky
Dec 05 05:50:29 <Luniv> romainguy: So I wouldn't be wasting my time if I posted about the WebView flashing white on loading?
Dec 05 05:50:50 <Luniv> jasta: so did you ever end up refactoring?
Dec 05 05:50:52 <romainguy> Probably not
Dec 05 05:50:57 <romainguy> But I cannot guarantee anything
Dec 05 05:51:11 <romainguy> We are all very (very very very) busy and it's hard to monitor the newsgroup
Dec 05 05:51:26 <romainguy> You can draw morridl's attention to it though
Dec 05 05:51:32 <romainguy> He's on this channel every day
Dec 05 05:51:38 <Luniv> I see
Dec 05 05:51:48 <Luniv> well, I'll do that then if I get a chance :D
Dec 05 05:51:50 <Luniv> thanks
Dec 05 05:51:56 <romainguy> You're welcome :)
Dec 05 05:54:12 <Luniv> jasta: did you know if you drag the web view arround, white shows up once you go past the content?
Dec 05 05:54:18 <Luniv> it's pretty jarring :/
Dec 05 05:54:28 <jasta> yeah, i've noticed many bugs when you click and drag it around, actually.
Dec 05 05:55:06 <jasta> my thinking is because there are two ScrollView's at work here.
Dec 05 05:55:17 <jasta> but i don't know for sure.
Dec 05 05:56:01 <jasta> clicking seems to let you select the inner, webview-specific one.  the keyboard only delivers messages to the outer one.
Dec 05 05:56:20 <Luniv> hrmm
Dec 05 05:57:04 <Luniv> well, as far as I can tell, the setBackground* methods are useless, since they don't affect the white part either
Dec 05 05:58:33 <jasta> yeah, that is what i have found as well.
Dec 05 05:58:48 <jasta> it's very frustrating, so i have chosen to ignore it :)
Dec 05 05:59:12 <jasta> i'm waiting to fix/examine a lot of bugs for when the source is available.
Dec 05 05:59:51 <Luniv> if/when
Dec 05 06:00:16 <Luniv> feels like it's taking forever to get out, heh
Dec 05 06:00:25 * Luniv wants the source now now now!
Dec 05 06:00:43 <jasta> i will be very disappointed if it's not released by january.
Dec 05 06:00:55 <jasta> i'm fine waiting until then, though.
Dec 05 06:03:33 <Luniv> hrmm, I wonder how big these sqlite3 databases get
Dec 05 06:03:48 <jasta> mine is pretty small still
Dec 05 06:04:16 <Luniv> I have 199 entries in mine and it's 406 kb so far
Dec 05 06:04:30 <jerkface03> how big are your entries?
Dec 05 06:04:39 <Luniv> some are pretty small
Dec 05 06:04:49 <Luniv> coding horror is like 50k per entry though
Dec 05 06:05:00 <jerkface03> may all that extra space is used for indexing?
Dec 05 06:05:45 <jasta> Luniv: I think it seems pretty fair.  try a select sum(length(body)) from posts;
Dec 05 06:06:03 <jasta> that query for me yields 300K, where my total DB size is 410K.  that seems quite reasonable.
Dec 05 06:06:29 <jasta> so, it would be sensible to implement user controllable contraints
Dec 05 06:06:45 <Luniv> yeah, my content is 304k
Dec 05 06:06:51 <Luniv> not too bad
Dec 05 06:07:15 <Luniv> that's on my todo list, purging of old/deleted/read posts
Dec 05 06:07:58 <jasta> the last 10 percent, right? :)
Dec 05 06:09:02 <Luniv> the last 90% you mean ;)
Dec 05 06:09:20 <jasta> well no, i didn't, but sure :)
Dec 05 06:09:31 <jasta> isn't the expression the last 10% takes 90% of the work?
Dec 05 06:09:39 <Luniv> something like that
Dec 05 06:09:56 <Luniv> I remember it as the first 90% is easy. The last 90% is hard
Dec 05 06:10:00 <jasta> bbl.
Dec 05 06:10:13 * Luniv waves
Dec 05 08:32:25 <jasta> Hmm, am I oversimplifying or should I really use image/jpeg if my content provider exposes a jpeg image (via _data)?
Dec 05 08:32:38 <jasta> or will that step on toes?
Dec 05 08:32:56 <jasta> it should still be separated by the intent contenturi being content://my.namespace/icon/#
Dec 05 10:51:06 <jasta> so, let's see...
Dec 05 10:51:11 <jasta> 3am and i'm just starting to get tired
Dec 05 10:51:27 <jasta> but, meanwhile, i got the feed icons working in my rss reader.  check it out: http://code.google.com/p/android-rss/
Dec 05 10:59:02 <wom-> jasta: nice :)
Dec 05 11:10:22 <jasta> unfortunately, my heuristics for getting the icon kind of suck.
Dec 05 11:10:31 <jasta> for example, slashdot's icon is feedburner's, not slashdot's.
Dec 05 11:10:47 <jasta> the approach i took was to strip the host part out of the rss feed url and append favicon.ico to the request.
Dec 05 11:10:53 <jasta> so http://rss.slashdot.org/favicon.ico, in that case.
Dec 05 11:11:17 <jasta> www.slashdot.org/favicon.ico is the right icon, but that heuristic would not work well for other sites.
Dec 05 11:15:14 <jasta> maybe i'll permit the user to just specify a favicon url manually in the edit activity
Dec 05 16:28:29 <davidw> menu creation seems to be 'lazy'
Dec 05 16:31:52 <[AD]Turbo> hi there
Dec 05 16:32:30 <davidw> hi
Dec 05 16:32:36 <Dralspire> hi hi :D
Dec 05 17:13:40 <tmccrary> Are there any plans for some early dev hardware for use with testing android?
Dec 05 17:17:21 <FunnyLookinHat> tmccrary, I'm willing to bet it'll get thrown in with the $25,000 for each accepted project.
Dec 05 17:22:10 <jasta> Luniv: there?
Dec 05 17:22:41 <jasta> FunnyLookinHat: i doubt it, actually.  they'll probably just tell you to hack a neo1973 :)
Dec 05 17:22:43 * davidw already got his hardware
Dec 05 17:22:52 <jasta> davidw: ?
Dec 05 17:23:06 <davidw> the ChainYanker 10K
Dec 05 17:23:20 <jasta> wow, that must be new or something.  i've never heard of a chain yanker before :)
Dec 05 17:23:40 <jasta> and 10k too?  shiny. ;)
Dec 05 17:24:06 <jasta> anyway, my guess is hacked handsets will be aplenty by mid-march.
Dec 05 17:24:08 <Lede> i think it has something to do with chains and yankers with 10k
Dec 05 17:24:15 <Lede> :P
Dec 05 17:25:57 <jasta> hello romainguy__, did you get my many notes last night? :)
Dec 05 17:26:11 <romainguy__> pardon me?
Dec 05 17:26:19 <Luniv> am now
Dec 05 17:27:34 <jasta> romainguy__: I sent you a few private messages last night.
Dec 05 17:27:49 <Luniv> jasta: I see you got feed icons now, they look nice
Dec 05 17:27:51 <jasta> one specifically asking why the libfreetype font hinting is so crummy :)
Dec 05 17:27:59 <Luniv> I'll have to copy your idea :D
Dec 05 17:28:08 <romainguy__> jasta: I didn't receive any of them
Dec 05 17:28:17 <jasta> Luniv: yes, although my heuristics could use some work.
Dec 05 17:29:32 <jasta> romainguy__: Well, that was mostly it.  libfreetype seems to be behaving with hinting at low or medium, not full.
Dec 05 17:30:18 <jasta> If you zoom in (xmag), you can tell by the look of letters like "l" and "t" which have extra blurring on their edges as a result of font hinting.
Dec 05 17:30:32 <jasta> freetype's engine is flexible, and can render this way, but it looks crummy :)
Dec 05 17:30:51 <jasta> OpenOffice upstream had a bug that caused fonts to render like this for years that's been patched around by the distros.
Dec 05 17:31:29 <romainguy__> jasta: I think it's because full hinting is subject to patents and thus cannot be activated in freetype
Dec 05 17:31:39 <jasta> That is true, yes.
Dec 05 17:31:53 <Lede> lol patents
Dec 05 17:32:03 <jasta> But I wonder if this isn't a legal battle worth fighting.
Dec 05 17:32:46 <jasta> Microsoft enabled ClearType in Windows Mobile, and their technology infringes on even older patents than freetype's code, but no one seems to be screaming at them.
Dec 05 17:33:26 <romainguy__> Yes but only Microsoft can be held responsible for their action
Dec 05 17:33:34 <romainguy__> It's different with Open Source software
Dec 05 17:33:38 <jasta> also, freetype has a few different non-official patches which attempt to implement better hinting in a way that is not patent infringing
Dec 05 17:34:53 <jasta> i think it might be worth researching here.  it would be a shame if android's fonts looked blurry because of patent issues :)
Dec 05 17:35:27 <romainguy__> jasta: Freetype's author works for Google
Dec 05 17:35:49 <jasta> really?  that's a useful resource :
Dec 05 17:35:54 <jasta> err :)
Dec 05 17:36:19 <Lede> slave
Dec 05 17:36:21 <Lede> err i mean, employee
Dec 05 17:36:24 <jasta> although i suppose that means you've already looked at issue in depth.
Dec 05 17:36:34 <jasta> at this issue*
Dec 05 17:39:09 <jasta> Android should ship with the ability to conveniently replace libfreetype so that contrib builds with hinting can be easily substituted :)
Dec 05 17:39:51 <Lede> do you even notice a difference with such a small screen/resolution
Dec 05 17:40:06 <jasta> Lede: Yes, it's very easy to detect.
Dec 05 17:40:15 <jasta> and you'd notice too, if you saw it with font hinting enabled.
Dec 05 17:40:29 <Lede> good thing i havnt
Dec 05 17:40:59 <jasta> Lede: Do you use Linux with GNOME or KDE?  Go into the font settings, choose anti-aliasing, but sent the font hinting to Low.  then open firefox and try to read web pages.
Dec 05 17:41:05 <jasta> when your eyes start bleeding, go ahead and change it back.
Dec 05 17:43:31 <jasta> romainguy__: I suppose what's most unfortunate is that Google is now attempting to compete with Apple through Android, so it is much more likely they'd sue you guys ;)
Dec 05 17:44:45 <Lede> jasta: i have hinting on medium, which is like having no hinting at all
Dec 05 17:45:11 <Lede> if i put it on full, everyone becomes brighter i think
Dec 05 17:45:12 <jasta> actually, that depends on your distro.
Dec 05 17:45:30 <jasta> Ubuntu and RedHat have made a lot of patches to the freetype they distribute, for example.
Dec 05 17:46:12 <Lede> there is a difference, but i can't really say it is much better
Dec 05 17:46:26 <Lede> maybe because i'm used to having hinting on low
Dec 05 17:46:43 <jasta> probably.  or your distro's fontconfig implementation is different than mine.
Dec 05 17:47:03 <Lede> what distro? i use fedora
Dec 05 17:52:34 <jasta> I use Debian, which I know to have the patent-encumbered build of freetype.
Dec 05 17:54:38 <jasta> i'm just wondering if we can't just get Google to pay the license fee :)
Dec 05 17:54:44 <jasta> come on, pony up some dough Google :)
Dec 05 17:54:55 <Luniv> lol
Dec 05 17:55:11 <Luniv> they need the money to go buy spectrum
Dec 05 17:55:55 <Lede> jasta i said "what distro do you use? i use fedora" or something and then freenode decided to lag me out
Dec 05 17:56:19 <jasta> Lede: i said "i use debian, which is using the patent-encumbered bytecode interpretor"
Dec 05 17:57:18 <jasta> i wonder if maybe Microsoft just paid the license themselves, and taht's how ClearType exists.
Dec 05 17:58:22 <jasta> font patents should have never been honored by the USPTO.  that is silly.
Dec 05 18:00:02 <jasta> hi morrildl.
Dec 05 18:00:09 <morrildl> jasta: howdy
Dec 05 18:00:27 <jasta> Luniv: Do you know if using a projection map i could do something like map "_data" to "icon_path AS _data", so that a call to getColumnIndex("_data") will not fail?
Dec 05 18:00:51 <jasta> i'm trying to tuck away the _data request for my icons so that they're satisfied in the same database table and row as the rest of the channel data.
Dec 05 18:00:58 <jasta> but accessed obviously with a different URI
Dec 05 18:01:43 <jasta> the problem is that the code that retrieves the path and ultimately opens the file for reading invokes a query with a projection of new String[] { "_data" }, then calls getString(getColumnIndex("_data")) which fails since I map _data to icon_path.
Dec 05 18:02:16 <jasta> i think a projection map should permit me to do this, but i wasn't able to make it work.
Dec 05 18:02:22 <jasta> and it also seemed kind of hackish.
Dec 05 18:04:03 * jasta pokes Luniv ...or anyone
Dec 05 18:05:17 <Luniv> hmm?
Dec 05 18:06:19 <Luniv> yeah, a project map should be able to do that
Dec 05 18:06:56 <Luniv> *projection
Dec 05 18:07:19 <jasta> so it would be a map from "_data" to "icon_path AS _data"?
Dec 05 18:08:05 <Luniv> it'd be something like map.put("_data", "icon_path")
Dec 05 18:08:17 <jasta> that is what i tried, and that specifically did not work.
Dec 05 18:08:41 <jasta> the resulting query had a column named "icon_path", so a call to getColumnIndex("_data") yielded -1.
Dec 05 18:08:48 <Luniv> hmm
Dec 05 18:08:57 <jasta> The query succeeded, and the data was available, but getColumnIndex() was not fooled.
Dec 05 18:09:30 <jasta> Android's implementation of setImageURI ultimately has a query with a projection for "_data", but then specifically invokes getColumnIndex("_data"), which does not succeed.
Dec 05 18:09:45 <jasta> so i'm wondering if my projection map should be _data => icon_path AS _data?
Dec 05 18:10:00 <Luniv> not sure
Dec 05 18:10:04 <Luniv> you could try
Dec 05 18:10:16 <jasta> in the mean time, i've worked around it by just returning my ArrayListCursor since that's a bit closer to what i'm really trying to do anyway.
Dec 05 18:10:29 <jasta> don't have eclipse where i'm at ;)
Dec 05 18:10:59 <Luniv> heh, I do, but no android
Dec 05 18:13:36 <jasta> anyway, yeah, so i have icon support now using content uris.  but my implementation sucks btw
Dec 05 18:14:07 <jasta> i create a new file for every channel, and simply write the default feed icon into it.
Dec 05 18:14:10 <jasta> it's terrible :)
Dec 05 18:14:16 <Luniv> lol
Dec 05 18:14:28 <jasta> i plan to improve it tonight so that default icons can be gracefully handled somehow.
Dec 05 18:14:55 <Luniv> but where else would you store the icons? I wonder if you used the default medai provider if they'd show up everywhere else
Dec 05 18:15:00 <Luniv> *media
Dec 05 18:15:12 <jasta> probably would, but that's bad.
Dec 05 18:15:15 <jasta> brb
Dec 05 18:17:28 <jasta> i wanted my contentprovider to somehow have a way to expose default icons gracefully, so that the usage of the provider wouldn't need to know about that.
Dec 05 18:17:34 <jasta> but it doesn't seem possible efficiently.
Dec 05 18:21:13 <haavi> why do you need to share your icons anyway?
Dec 05 18:22:18 <Luniv> can't you just do the the query for the icon, and it returns nothing, return the default?
Dec 05 18:23:06 <jasta> Luniv: No, because the problem is that the client-facing part is the same as my provider's part.
Dec 05 18:23:34 <jasta> I mean, if I return some content://foo.bar/default, which resolves to /data/data/foobar/default.ico, openOutputStream() will open that specific file.
Dec 05 18:25:38 <jasta> well, i guess you could create a new contenturi, set it in the icon column, then do an openOutputStream() to finish creating it.
Dec 05 18:34:37 <jasta> but openOutputStream() would need to be able to create the file if it's not found.
Dec 05 18:37:35 <Luniv> that's true
Dec 05 18:37:55 <morrildl> Hey everybody
Dec 05 18:38:02 <morrildl> where are you guys based?  (which cities)
Dec 05 18:38:12 <jasta> Seattle, WA.
Dec 05 18:38:20 <Zer0Her0> Albany, NY
Dec 05 18:38:42 <morrildl> Zer0Her0: ha, nice, I used to live in Scotia
Dec 05 18:38:43 <jasta> Luniv: The docs suggest that it will be created if it doesn't exist, so perhaps this could work.
Dec 05 18:38:57 <Zer0Her0> ah nice :-)
Dec 05 18:39:31 <Zer0Her0> such a small world
Dec 05 18:39:40 <jasta> morrildl: why do you ask?
Dec 05 18:40:24 <Zer0Her0> so morrildl could deploy the ninja's obviously ;)
Dec 05 18:40:38 <jasta> Apprently he's taking this show on the road and making plans, ok.
Dec 05 18:40:41 <Zer0Her0> ah see!
Dec 05 18:40:41 <morrildl> jasta: does that answer your question? :)
Dec 05 18:41:00 <jasta> Doesn't Google already exist in Kirkland, WA or something.  That's a pretty short road trip.
Dec 05 18:41:14 <Lede> morrildl: i'm located in mom's basement
Dec 05 18:41:30 <morrildl> jasta: yeah, Seattle is definitely a place of interest :)
Dec 05 18:41:51 <jasta> Probably because Seattle is awesome.
Dec 05 18:41:53 <morrildl> Lede: that's cool, sometimes the best coding gets done there ;)
Dec 05 18:42:12 <Lede> yeah, and other things...
Dec 05 18:42:19 <Zer0Her0> yea i miss Seattle.
Dec 05 18:42:41 <morrildl> Zer0Her0: wow, you went from Seattle to Albany?
Dec 05 18:43:10 <haavi> Gothenburg, Sweden here
Dec 05 18:43:14 <Zer0Her0> no i went from NYC area to Albany, but i've been all up down the west coast.
Dec 05 18:44:42 <jasta> the west coast only has two cool places ;)
Dec 05 18:44:43 * davidw lives in Innsbruck, Austria
Dec 05 18:45:13 <davidw> not much ever happens here....except for cold and skiing
Dec 05 18:46:04 <morrildl> davidw: and the Winter Olympics from a little while ago, if I remember correctly
Dec 05 18:46:11 <davidw> yep, twice
Dec 05 18:46:12 <Luniv> Edmonton, Alberta
Dec 05 18:46:31 <jasta> speaking of cold and skiing.  washington is disappointing this year.  snowboarding mountains still aren't open and i'm itching to go.
Dec 05 18:49:03 <Luniv> come up here
Dec 05 18:49:08 <Luniv> it won't stop snowing ><
Dec 05 18:53:05 <davidw> keeps switching between snow and rain here...yuck
Dec 05 18:59:37 <Lede> we have cold air
Dec 05 19:00:28 <Lede> and working from 8 to 5 means no sun light for a whole month during the winter
Dec 05 19:00:32 <Lede> :)
Dec 05 19:00:40 <absentia> suicidal!
Dec 05 19:01:01 * absentia lives in the sunshine state.
Dec 05 19:01:06 <absentia> it was 81F on Dec 1...
Dec 05 20:01:14 <davidw> hrm
Dec 05 20:01:23 <davidw> this DatePicker doesn't seem to be very responsive...
Dec 05 22:01:36 <davidw> morrildl, why are the interfaces for DatePicker and TimePicker so different?
Dec 05 22:05:37 <jasta> hmm, where is the freetype library on the filesystem?
Dec 05 22:33:02 <davidw> this is just weird... my timepickers and datepickers don't seem to get focus... I can't actually change them
Dec 05 23:16:40 <davidw> weird... the dialogs work fine, but the regular things don't
Dec 05 23:17:36 <jasta> seriously.  where is freetype?
Dec 05 23:34:45 <Knat> I am trying to build my first android program, but when i run 'ant build.xml' I get the error, Target "build.xml" does not exist in the project "ActivityName"
Dec 05 23:39:29 <Knat> I got disconected so I will repost my question
Dec 05 23:39:37 <Knat> I am trying to build my first android program, but when i run 'ant build.xml' I get the error, Target "build.xml" does not exist in the project "ActivityName"
Dec 05 23:44:59 <jasta> Knat: Type simply ant.
Dec 05 23:49:57 * jasta starts getting really concerned
Dec 05 23:50:09 <jasta> really.  where is libfreetype?  is google violating the GPL here?
Dec 05 23:51:57 <jasta> damnit, freetype has some goofy license.  *reading*
Dec 06 00:06:03 <jasta> i see youuuuuu...libsgl.so
Dec 06 00:07:04 <jasta> must've compiled it directly into their graphics engine.  that is weird.
Dec 06 00:07:20 <jasta> well i guess there goes the option of trivially replacing freetype with patent-encumbered code.
Dec 06 00:21:00 <jasta> i would urge Google to undo this, so that users from countries who don't believe in such nonsense can have properly rendered fonts with minimal effort for the user.
Dec 06 02:51:52 <jasta> Luniv: hehe, your apk is 1.15MB to my 116K :P
Dec 06 02:58:00 <Luniv> it is?
Dec 06 02:58:08 <Luniv> I blame ROME :p
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