**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 07 02:59:57 2008
Jan 07 03:35:05 <jasta> alright, back to android :)
Jan 07 03:39:57 <duey> so you happy with the terms of the compo?
Jan 07 03:40:01 <jasta> no
Jan 07 03:40:12 <duey> lol thought you wouldn't be
Jan 07 03:40:37 <jasta> but, i'm still interested in writing android code, so...
Jan 07 03:40:46 <duey> just do an open source project
Jan 07 03:40:51 <jasta> i'm not even working on my dev challenge project yet.  hehe.
Jan 07 03:41:00 <jasta> i'm still writing my little solitaire engine
Jan 07 03:41:03 <duey> yeah i haven't really started either
Jan 07 03:41:06 <jasta> but that will be done by next weekend, i'm sure.
Jan 07 03:41:38 <jasta> android certainly has a nice dev cycle.  very easy to write functional code.
Jan 07 03:42:22 <duey> i still need to make my frameworks :S
Jan 07 03:42:47 <jasta> what frameworks?
Jan 07 03:42:56 <duey> just some image processing stuff
Jan 07 03:43:25 <jasta> whoa, that was weird.  the cylon boot animation just stopped for almost 30 seconds
Jan 07 03:43:31 <jasta> then suddenly resumed and finished booting
Jan 07 03:43:43 <duey> my emulator totally doesnt work
Jan 07 03:43:54 <duey> i updated the files yesterday
Jan 07 03:43:58 <duey> totally broke it
Jan 07 03:44:03 <duey> not sure why
Jan 07 03:44:10 <duey> it loads up fine
Jan 07 03:44:14 <duey> just wont run any of my android apps
Jan 07 07:54:51 <jasta> designing the UI for my ADC project :)
Jan 07 07:55:52 <jasta> what the fuck is android.media.FaceDetector btw? :)
Jan 07 08:01:22 <duey> detect faces
Jan 07 08:01:52 <jasta> ugh.
Jan 07 08:02:52 <duey> jasta: it locates faces
Jan 07 08:03:08 <jasta> yeah, i see that.  but wth?  why would they inlcude that?
Jan 07 08:03:39 <duey> well i could think of some cool stuff you could do with it
Jan 07 08:03:47 <duey> like having the camera take a pic when someone smiles
Jan 07 08:03:59 <duey> or using it to login to unlock your phone
Jan 07 08:04:15 <jasta> it doesn't detect specific faces.
Jan 07 08:04:19 <jasta> it only detects that there is a face.
Jan 07 08:04:29 <duey> sure but it tells you where it is
Jan 07 08:04:34 <duey> you can do more specific analysis
Jan 07 08:04:41 <jasta> doubtful.
Jan 07 08:04:53 <duey> how come?
Jan 07 08:04:54 <jasta> these things aren't exactly fast, you know.
Jan 07 08:05:16 <duey> you could use a neural network which does most of the calculations offline
Jan 07 08:05:18 <jasta> especially the camera hint you described.  that would be extremely impractical.
Jan 07 08:05:19 <duey> train some faces
Jan 07 08:05:28 <duey> train faces smiling
Jan 07 08:06:00 <jasta> you'd still have to apply that data.  even that processing would take an eternity and to do per frame or per second.
Jan 07 08:06:04 <jasta> that would be crazy.
Jan 07 08:06:09 <duey> na
Jan 07 08:06:37 <duey> you can train a neural network on a computer and then load the training weights
Jan 07 08:06:41 <jasta> most mobile phones struggle to just show the captured image in real time.
Jan 07 08:06:51 <duey> mine is fine
Jan 07 08:07:26 <duey> there are cameras that do smile detection
Jan 07 08:07:31 <duey> if a camera can do it a smartphone can
Jan 07 08:56:47 <cutmasta> morning all
Jan 07 08:56:52 <cutmasta> and happy new year:)
Jan 07 09:56:43 <davidw> hi cutmasta
Jan 07 09:57:29 <cutmasta> hu davidw
Jan 07 14:39:11 <davidw> anyone know how to get full stack traces in the log?
Jan 07 15:20:50 <davidw> this stuff seems screwed up:
Jan 07 15:21:16 <davidw> http://code.google.com/android/reference/aidl.html#exposingtheinterface
Jan 07 15:46:16 <cybereagle> you can use aidl to generate those things
Jan 07 15:46:31 <cybereagle> oh wait.. not that part..
Jan 07 15:46:35 <cybereagle> nevermind lol
Jan 07 15:50:00 <davidw> cybereagle, that Rect example seems broken
Jan 07 15:58:30 <davidw> damn... this is frustratingly messy
Jan 07 15:59:08 <davidw> all I want to do is launch one service from another
Jan 07 16:15:04 <davidw> damn...finally
Jan 07 16:46:42 <jasta> i think i'm gonna install ubuntu on my work computer today
Jan 07 16:47:23 <davidw> sounds like a plan
Jan 07 16:49:02 <jasta> i've got debian on here, but i prefer ubuntu these days
Jan 07 16:49:22 <jasta> and i have a new 500GB SATAII drive to install it on, too.
Jan 07 16:50:51 <jasonlee> i wish i could install ubuntu @work, but this company requires everyone to use XP
Jan 07 16:51:10 <jasonlee> which one reason why i've started interviewing at other places =)
Jan 07 16:55:36 <Stephmw> jasonlee: vmware not an option?
Jan 07 16:57:33 <jasta> i used to use vmware for the Windows shit i needed, but more recently switched to using rdesktop and "SeamlessRDP"
Jan 07 16:58:27 <jasta> it's whacky and full of bugs, but it does work
Jan 07 16:58:48 * davidw contemplates the idea of having Hecl run as a service
Jan 07 17:05:45 <jasonlee> jasta: is devtcg your blog?
Jan 07 17:10:38 <jasta> jasonlee: yes
Jan 07 17:10:45 <jasta> jasonlee: why?
Jan 07 17:11:52 <jasonlee> i ran across it the other day and thought it was yours
Jan 07 17:12:04 <jasonlee> but i didn't know for sure
Jan 07 17:13:58 <Lede> damn
Jan 07 17:14:25 <Lede> just when i want to start coding someone calls and says will drop by -_-
Jan 07 17:51:28 <jasta> Lede: make them wait in the living room. ;)
Jan 07 17:53:21 <jasta> i wonder if we can assume that the handset will be 3D accelerated for the ADC.
Jan 07 18:43:12 <jasta> yawn
Jan 07 18:47:58 <Zer0Her0> hehe I immediately thought what does the Apple Developer Connection have to do with Android...
Jan 07 18:48:33 <Zer0Her0> damn acronyms...wait is that an acronym...
Jan 07 18:48:44 <absentia> DA
Jan 07 19:35:55 * benley lights his pager on fire
Jan 07 19:35:58 <benley> (ww)
Jan 07 22:01:01 <jasta> god damn, tons of internet connectivity problems today.
Jan 07 22:21:56 <absentia> yay
Jan 07 22:54:03 <jasta> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7174760.stm
Jan 07 22:54:04 <jasta> hehe
Jan 07 22:56:50 <The_PHP_Jedi> haha
Jan 07 23:00:42 <cybereagle> lol i was just reading that
Jan 07 23:00:44 <cybereagle> it made my day!
Jan 07 23:02:44 <The_PHP_Jedi> I wonder what s-nomad has to say about it
Jan 07 23:10:43 <Lede> what if a country xyz attacked the united states, would ron paul also say no?
Jan 07 23:11:12 <Lede> woops!
Jan 07 23:11:16 <Lede> wrong channel
Jan 07 23:11:18 <Lede> :D
Jan 07 23:36:49 <acsia> has anybody managed to implement the onMotionEvent on a MapView?
Jan 08 00:13:52 <Hai-Fai> could someone say please, why does this give a NullPointerException ->                 Drawable icon = test.getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.icon); test.overlayController.add(new GraphicOverlay(icon, point1), true);
Jan 08 00:14:17 <Hai-Fai> I'm trying to add a graphical icon to mapoverlay
Jan 08 00:19:03 <acsia> why test.getResources
Jan 08 00:19:19 <acsia> you should be able to just use getResources() from within any activity
Jan 08 00:19:51 <acsia> (BitmapDrawable) getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.icon);
Jan 08 00:21:20 <acsia> you need to overide the draw function from GraphicOverlay
Jan 08 00:21:22 <Hai-Fai> that wasn't my moint
Jan 08 00:21:31 <Hai-Fai> point I mean
Jan 08 00:21:52 <acsia> well which function is null?
Jan 08 00:22:14 <Hai-Fai> another one of those, if I comment 'em, program works out of the box
Jan 08 00:22:45 <acsia> have you checked anddev.org for map tutorials
Jan 08 00:22:49 <acsia> tthere are quite a few
Jan 08 00:22:58 <Hai-Fai> yep, no help..
Jan 08 00:23:17 <Hai-Fai> found few answers in Japan or so, but it wasn't a language for me :P
Jan 08 00:24:54 <Hai-Fai> have you put any icon succesfully on a map?
Jan 08 00:24:58 <acsia> yes
Jan 08 00:25:26 <Hai-Fai> would it be possible to get a package where it is told =)
Jan 08 00:25:48 <Hai-Fai> I know how to add dots and circles and stuff, but bmp's and stuff gives it a hard way =/
Jan 08 00:25:56 <Hai-Fai> or I'm just missing something
Jan 08 00:26:26 <acsia> well you put the dots from within the draw function of the overlay correct?
Jan 08 00:26:51 <Hai-Fai> well it should work, but atm. it crashes on nullpointerexception, dunno why
Jan 08 00:27:16 <romainguy> Hai-Fai: Could you show the complete stack trace?
Jan 08 00:27:33 <Hai-Fai> lets see
Jan 08 00:30:16 <Hai-Fai> aw can't, sry
Jan 08 00:31:16 <Hai-Fai> doesn't anyone have anykind of test package of that graphical overlay thingy..
Jan 08 00:33:25 <acsia> well
Jan 08 00:33:54 <Hai-Fai> pretty please.. don't have to be any fancy or so.. I'm just too pissed up to this thing right now
Jan 08 00:34:14 <romainguy> Why can't you show the stack trace?
Jan 08 00:34:18 <romainguy> That would help us help you :)
Jan 08 00:34:51 <Hai-Fai> I'm too tired and pissed
Jan 08 00:35:00 <Hai-Fai> just want to complete that and went to bed
Jan 08 00:35:02 <Hai-Fai> *go
Jan 08 00:35:03 <Hai-Fai> sry
Jan 08 00:35:19 <acsia> create your overlay class: private class MyMapOverlay extends Overlay
Jan 08 00:35:32 <acsia> create a variable that would hold the bitmap
Jan 08 00:35:40 <acsia> private BitmapDrawable icon = null;
Jan 08 00:35:52 <acsia> and then overwrite the draw method as follow:
Jan 08 00:36:22 <acsia> calculator.getPointXY(p, sXYCoords);
Jan 08 00:36:22 <acsia> int w = icon.getIntrinsicWidth();
Jan 08 00:36:22 <acsia> int h = icon.getIntrinsicHeight();
Jan 08 00:36:22 <acsia> icon.setBounds(sXYCoords[0] - w / 2, sXYCoords[1] - h, sXYCoords[0]
Jan 08 00:36:22 <acsia> 		+ w / 2, sXYCoords[1]);
Jan 08 00:36:23 <acsia> icon.draw(canvas);
Jan 08 00:37:00 <Hai-Fai> well hmm.. that's the way it is..
Jan 08 00:37:06 <Hai-Fai> have to see once again
Jan 08 00:37:08 <Hai-Fai> thanks anyways
Jan 08 00:37:20 <acsia> np
Jan 08 00:37:29 <acsia> I am going to bed as well enought for today
Jan 08 02:31:56 <The_PHP_Jedi> hm.. Android seems pretty easy to develop for...
Jan 08 02:32:04 <The_PHP_Jedi> at least through watching this YouTube vid
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 08 02:59:56 2008