**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 30 02:59:56 2008 Mar 30 03:44:03 ayo to all Mar 30 03:44:05 anyone home? Mar 30 03:44:27 hellllllllooooooooo? Mar 30 03:44:33 anyone here? Mar 30 03:44:37 zhobbs? Mar 30 03:47:46 holy moly Mar 30 04:08:39 anyone home? Mar 30 04:08:41 anyone? Mar 30 07:43:59 does anyone know how "dip" translates into pixels? Mar 30 07:44:21 I noticed a lot of the xml ui examples use dip but when setting margins/padding in java you can only specify pixels Mar 30 07:45:14 or can you set dip values in Java? Mar 30 09:25:45 <[AD]Turbo> hi there Mar 30 09:37:25 hi turbo Mar 30 13:49:09 hey guys Mar 30 16:33:34 I have a Uri question, what is the best way to know if it is a item or dir programmatically? Mar 30 16:34:53 something like mUri.isItem? or mUri.isDir? Mar 30 16:35:19 it can be done while comparing the Uri itself but isn't there a better way? Mar 30 17:43:05 anybody out there? Mar 30 17:51:38 Oh no! I thing I am all alone... waking up in my bed this morning... wondering around my room, no one on IRC... this must be 28 days later... did I miss the deadline!!! Mar 30 17:52:04 hehe :) Mar 30 17:53:10 aaa thx meus, I thought I felt craziness creeping up my brain Mar 30 17:53:49 hehe Mar 30 17:54:59 it has been pretty quiet in here this weekend. Everyone must have their heads down in the code. Mar 30 17:55:12 i noticed that yes Mar 30 17:55:20 2 weeks!! Mar 30 17:55:25 ah the deadline is 31 march? Mar 30 17:55:32 14th Mar 30 17:55:44 ah ok :) Mar 30 17:56:39 has anybody played with the instrumentation APIs yet? Mar 30 18:25:43 goooood mornin Mar 30 18:26:11 afternoon here, though I just woke up so it's kinda like morning Mar 30 18:28:13 actually night here Mar 30 19:05:44 so android on the iPhone thats gotta hurt apple eh? :) Mar 30 19:06:40 will be nice Mar 30 19:07:01 you are correct... it *will* be nice :) Mar 30 19:07:11 hopefully Android will get multi-touch functionality by that time Mar 30 19:09:13 cmw: woo Mar 30 19:10:11 :p Mar 30 19:10:25 i'm trying to think of a feeling better then bragging Mar 30 19:10:32 or shutting na sayers down Mar 30 19:10:36 but i can't .... Mar 30 19:11:07 lol Mar 30 20:36:25 I hear rumors of a new sdk tuesday Mar 30 20:36:32 is this confirmed anywhere? Mar 30 20:53:38 yay 2 weeks and counting Mar 30 20:55:00 yeah, although I'm far from happy with my application I have to say I'll be glad to just get it out the way and then work on it without the looming deadline. Mar 30 20:55:30 It will also hopefully encourage a lot more conversation on android as people won't have to keep their cards to their chest any longer. Mar 30 20:55:56 true :) Mar 30 20:56:07 I'm just expecting the first real device.. Mar 30 20:56:07 I'm ready for a blazing onslaught of a abuse when I get other people to look through my code. Mar 30 20:56:37 code looks just as great as the coder, so don't worry darling, you wont be killed =) Mar 30 20:56:56 wow i feel the love Mar 30 20:57:05 =P Mar 30 20:57:25 :) Well I'm secure in that knowledge then. Mar 30 21:10:17 as far as I read Mar 30 21:10:28 they're more looking at the feasibility of ideas rather than the concrete implementation Mar 30 21:10:53 Kraln: I think both Mar 30 21:11:45 there are 4 equally weighted categories: (1) Originality of Concept, (2) Effective Use of the Android Platform, (3) Polish and Appeal, (4) Indispensability Mar 30 21:12:00 so any actual google people in here? Mar 30 21:12:04 So you'll lose points on (3) if your app doesn't work very well Mar 30 21:12:09 zhobbs: where are you pulling that from? Mar 30 21:12:12 hmm, I think if I were a company about to launch a potentially worldwide phone platform I'd be looking for some absolutely excellent applications rather than being interested in handouts Mar 30 21:12:23 Kraln: http://code.google.com/android/adc-submit/tandc.html Mar 30 21:12:29 I think skys the limit Mar 30 21:12:31 cmw: there are during the week Mar 30 21:12:40 (3) Polish and Appeal - Is the application easy to use and aesthetically appealing? Mar 30 21:12:41 cmw: not right now though Mar 30 21:12:43 fact : there's plenty of coders which would do code, but they don't have ideas, so what do you think they seek more? Mar 30 21:12:50 that does not mention anything about bugs or good looking code Mar 30 21:13:08 Kraln: well they aren't going to look at the source Mar 30 21:13:12 Speaking of which, have you seen these ones: http://www.omnigsoft.com/Android/ADC/readme.html Mar 30 21:13:28 chomchom: yeah, they don't really work on the emulator though Mar 30 21:13:51 but they get mega kudos for their potential. Mar 30 21:13:57 yeah, they look great Mar 30 21:14:40 hopefully they work on the phones Mar 30 21:14:44 I would think that if you nail 1, 2, and 4 Mar 30 21:14:47 3 isn't such a big deal Mar 30 21:15:11 Kraln: You'll need to do well in all of them Mar 30 21:15:24 I actually think 3 will be very important Mar 30 21:15:38 Great demos/screenshots go a long way in the press Mar 30 21:15:46 agreed Mar 30 21:15:48 zhobbs: I disagree. Do you think google is going to ignore paradigm-changing technology because it doesn't look as pretty as it could? Mar 30 21:16:02 or because it has some ui misgivings or stumbles? Mar 30 21:16:30 no, but the whole point of offering this competition is to generate buzz Mar 30 21:16:49 no, they won't be ignored Mar 30 21:16:58 again, I disagree. I'd say the whole point of offering the competition is to get people developing apps for their platform. Mar 30 21:17:10 but if I had a paradigm changing app I'd put a pretty face on it to make sure I win Mar 30 21:17:20 if they get even one killer app, it validates the platform. look at gameboy -> tetris Mar 30 21:17:23 if the app looks the same as all the others in a periodical, general people are going to regard it the same way they would a new flavor of linux. Mar 30 21:17:34 zhobbs: so would I, but I'd make sure the idea is sound before getting it working Mar 30 21:17:58 I guess time will tell Mar 30 21:19:03 hopefully there will be enough apps submitted so that all the winners are great ideas and polished Mar 30 21:19:29 imho, the point of round 1 is to get ideas down, and the point of round 2 is to polish Mar 30 21:19:35 yeah, with so many applicants available i hope they will be stuck for choice Mar 30 21:20:05 well in my opinion it's hard to make apps look visually appealing with the current SDK :) Mar 30 21:20:22 the default themes on Android don't look near as good as, say, the iphone. Mar 30 21:20:43 tmcneal: at least you can customize how everything looks (though it's not documented) Mar 30 21:21:07 zhobbs: which leads to a mishmash of conflicting ui and usage styles Mar 30 21:21:22 yep it's true, but the documentation says you should build the UI based on a theme, not 'roll your own' visual design. Mar 30 21:21:37 plus i'm betting that the UI will improve drastically before the release... it's just not a big priority now Mar 30 21:22:08 which points to what my entire argument has been: they're looking for fresh ideas - a 'killer app', not some commoner bs that's dressed up nice Mar 30 21:22:14 tho i do agree.. a nice looking application is a definite plus. it shows the developer put thought and effort into the finished product Mar 30 21:22:31 hogwash. it shows the developer is good at making things pretty. Mar 30 21:22:44 Kraln: you are assuming the judges are technical people Mar 30 21:23:04 bottom line is, the nice UI couldn't hurt :) Mar 30 21:23:07 I'm assuming they're juding for what is going to sell the most product. Mar 30 21:23:08 they might be a mix of non-geek / geek Mar 30 21:23:12 a nice UI* Mar 30 21:23:30 s/juding/judging Mar 30 21:33:58 I'm really hoping that there will be a lot of developers kind of left floating around after the submissions so I can lure them into the project I'm working on. Mar 30 21:34:21 chomchom: what's your project? or is that still secret? Mar 30 21:37:12 Not really a secret, just eluding public criticism. Mar 30 21:37:29 :) Mar 30 21:37:42 I'll let the cat out the bag, next week Mar 30 21:38:17 tmcneal: well it's going to be pretty cool to see android running on the iPhone Mar 30 21:38:29 android runs on the iphone? Mar 30 21:38:32 :\ Mar 30 21:38:35 maybe not with full hardware support... (infin gold chip etc) Mar 30 21:38:53 Kraln: Linux does :) Mar 30 21:39:07 oh. pff Mar 30 21:39:16 cmw: we don't need iPhone, hopefully first Android phone will have 3G and GPS! Mar 30 21:39:37 2 things the iPhone should have included (and probably will eventually) Mar 30 21:39:47 I'm holding on to my dead and dying phone so I can get the first google phone sprint offers Mar 30 21:46:31 is this the android dev channel? Mar 30 21:46:37 yep Mar 30 21:46:40 nice Mar 30 21:47:05 question: i installed the plugin for eclipse, but now there is a error in the package explorer Mar 30 21:47:11 im running ubuntu gutsy Mar 30 21:47:24 what's the error? Mar 30 21:47:33 Cant create View Mar 30 21:48:13 strange, did you restart eclipse? Mar 30 21:49:09 many times ^^ Mar 30 21:49:16 http://pastebin.com/m33dd71b8 here is the exact error Mar 30 21:51:27 iowahc: that's weird...might want to try #eclipse Mar 30 21:51:41 ok try it Mar 30 21:51:42 thx Mar 30 21:52:01 first time running it, or did it work before? Mar 30 21:52:45 it worked on a previous install, also reinstalled it, but didn't work Mar 30 21:53:14 seems me like a missing feature on java.. is it eclipse java version or some other eclipse version? Mar 30 21:53:23 on linux's java version works best Mar 30 21:53:31 zhobbs: don't be hating :) Mar 30 21:54:06 cmw: I'm not hating, the iPhone is awesome...and when it gets GPS/3G it's going to be really hard to beat Mar 30 21:54:13 im running sun JRE 1.6 Mar 30 21:54:34 and eclipse Mar 30 21:54:45 yes Mar 30 21:54:53 Eclipse Platform Mar 30 21:54:53 Version: 3.3.2 Mar 30 21:54:54 Build id: M20080221-1800 Mar 30 21:55:03 iowahc: you have the JDK right? Mar 30 21:55:31 yes Mar 30 21:56:31 http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/technology/epp/downloads/release/europa/winter/eclipse-java-europa-winter-linux-gtk.tar.gz if it isn't that version, I think you should try with that one Mar 30 21:56:36 iowahc: are you installing via apt-get? I'm using kubuntu and installed it manually Mar 30 21:56:55 because the one in apt was out of date Mar 30 21:57:04 apt installs some version which doesn't have relevant packages included, so use that instead of repository version Mar 30 21:57:12 i installed Eclipse throuhg apt and JDK mannually Mar 30 21:57:23 apt-get --purge remove eclipse Mar 30 21:57:24 iowahc: try installing eclipse manually Mar 30 21:59:39 oh well, now it's time to go disturb some bed bugs, nn ppl Mar 30 22:11:44 is there a way to display a list of things with bullet points in a textview Mar 30 22:11:57 can i use html tags only in webview? Mar 30 22:12:59 lenni_-_: you can use and and textview, and could probably use some kind of bullet character to make a list Mar 30 23:50:46 good night Mar 30 23:51:22 As anyone been able to lock the phone? I've tried the KeyguardManager, but doesn't appear to do anything. Mar 30 23:51:25 I noticed there was a recorded defect already Mar 30 23:51:43 I'd like to secure the device similar to the way you can an iphone Mar 30 23:51:58 did you notice the cover? Mar 30 23:52:02 the white cover? Mar 30 23:52:14 there s your lock Mar 30 23:53:11 ? Mar 30 23:53:24 do you have the emulator running? Mar 30 23:53:29 yup Mar 30 23:53:44 click and hold on the white top part and drag down Mar 30 23:53:53 :) Mar 30 23:54:08 well greyish Mar 30 23:54:21 ah Mar 30 23:54:23 cool Mar 30 23:54:33 do you know if there is a programmatic way to do that? :) Mar 30 23:54:36 not as cool as the iphone but I guess that s their lock Mar 30 23:54:55 no clue, I stumbled across it Mar 30 23:55:03 nice find Mar 30 23:55:09 never knew it was there Mar 30 23:55:10 thx! Mar 30 23:55:28 not sure if it is suppose to be physical or a software lock Mar 30 23:56:02 anyway time for some sleep Mar 30 23:56:11 happy that I could share that ;) Mar 30 23:56:54 cool - take care Mar 31 00:06:00 by the way guys I don't think that is intentionally meant as a kind of lock Mar 31 00:06:19 I think it's supposed to be a services tray Mar 31 00:06:32 where you can store running processes Mar 31 00:11:58 i'm suprised they don't have something in place Mar 31 00:12:22 unless their banking on carriers to roll their own home apps Mar 31 00:12:30 and have them implement this type of functionality Mar 31 00:12:57 i could lock the phone if i could listen for the 'home' key press in my app Mar 31 00:13:27 but, it appears our apps don't get access to the home key Mar 31 02:36:12 for the Toast class, does anyone if duration is in seconds? or how exactly it relates to time Mar 31 02:41:17 is it possible to run raw INSERT querys to the sqlite db from within the application? Mar 31 02:42:29 tmcneal: If you're using a SQLiteDatabase directly you can execute any SQL statements you want with execSQL() Mar 31 02:42:56 cool thanks Mar 31 02:42:58 If you're using a ContentProvider through the ContentResolver class you can't do that Mar 31 02:43:42 no i'm doing it directly. i just have a bunch of default values i want to load to the DB when that database is created. thanks. Mar 31 02:45:18 If you're taking input from a user (sounds like that isn't the case here, but FYI anyway), you can use SQLiteDatabase.compileStatement() and put ?s in the SQL string. Then you can call bindString() on the resulting statement which will avoid an SQL injection issues Mar 31 02:45:30 ah, cool. Mar 31 02:45:31 After binding you can then call statement.execute() Mar 31 02:45:38 And when you're done call statement.close() Mar 31 02:46:51 It also saves cycles when parsing the SQL ;-) Mar 31 02:48:36 hey Jeff Mar 31 02:48:45 Howdy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 31 03:00:02 2008