**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 26 02:59:57 2008 Apr 26 03:45:50 YO ZIM BA Apr 26 04:26:46 incognito - where are you? Apr 26 04:28:40 ** search for incognito begins Apr 26 04:33:40 Is this real? Apr 26 04:53:41 ** clues are being gathered Apr 26 04:53:56 ** search for incognito getting interesting Apr 26 04:54:57 ? Apr 26 04:55:15 duey: looking for Incognito Apr 26 04:55:20 whats that Apr 26 04:55:30 he hangs out in android-challenge forums Apr 26 04:55:44 and? Apr 26 04:55:53 i've launched a search Apr 26 04:56:03 he's MOST WANTED! Apr 26 04:56:05 oh that guy Apr 26 04:56:09 spamalot Apr 26 04:56:11 who is he? Apr 26 04:56:19 we dont know Apr 26 04:56:36 what? Apr 26 04:56:41 that's why the search has begun Apr 26 04:56:57 romainguy i think they are sleep walking and landed at the computer Apr 26 04:57:15 ** more clues Apr 26 04:57:24 ** zeroing in on a few suspects Apr 26 05:00:05 Incoginto confessed he doesn't use IRC Apr 26 05:00:10 i don't believe it Apr 26 05:00:21 dude, what are you smoking over there? Apr 26 05:00:43 something illegal ;) Apr 26 05:00:48 haha Apr 26 05:01:52 michaelnovakjr: can the weather phone find incognito? Apr 26 05:01:56 haha Apr 26 05:02:02 haha Apr 26 05:02:12 weekend folks Apr 26 05:02:23 smoke something goood!! Apr 26 05:02:33 1 am in new york and i just got home from work Apr 26 05:02:41 woah Apr 26 05:02:49 working on something interesting? Apr 26 05:03:09 webcasting stuff, release tonight Apr 26 05:03:48 cool Apr 26 05:04:26 indeed Apr 26 05:04:58 nothing excite me now, other than android Apr 26 05:05:05 or should say "mobil" Apr 26 05:05:08 i know the feeling Apr 26 05:05:24 the enterprise is soo boring Apr 26 05:05:32 mobile search Apr 26 05:05:41 and we'll rule the world Apr 26 05:05:43 hahahahaha Apr 26 05:05:51 haha Apr 26 05:06:03 dont google it Apr 26 05:06:07 mobeegal it Apr 26 05:07:12 michaelnovakjr: am sure you are feeling the same way with your weatherphone Apr 26 05:07:24 definitely Apr 26 05:07:30 i know Apr 26 05:07:41 i am keeping fingers crossed it is widely adopted Apr 26 05:07:55 you need to be going out and pushing it Apr 26 05:08:14 if you are the first one to do it, you have a great chance Apr 26 05:08:19 definitely, i am working on the 0.2 release, hoping to have that out this coming week Apr 26 05:08:43 where's josta? Apr 26 05:09:03 and his koala? Apr 26 05:09:05 hehe Apr 26 05:09:11 haha Apr 26 05:09:51 wonder what borism does? Apr 26 05:10:01 borism? Apr 26 05:10:04 borism: hi Apr 26 05:10:21 michaelnovakjr: there's atleast like 90 folks here Apr 26 05:10:31 but i only see a couple of them chatting Apr 26 05:10:33 most stay quiet Apr 26 05:10:38 why? Apr 26 05:10:46 not even a word to say? Apr 26 05:11:00 they steal all of our great ideas Apr 26 05:11:02 maybe use hardcore android folks are intimidating Apr 26 05:11:08 maybe us* Apr 26 05:11:19 f00f-: ah, that's the plan huh Apr 26 05:11:19 and they silently laugh at my zero-debugging skills Apr 26 05:11:29 lol Apr 26 05:11:41 f00f-: that's ok Apr 26 05:11:45 we all are that way Apr 26 05:11:49 haha Apr 26 05:12:02 i might be a bit worse than others ;) Apr 26 05:12:04 f00f-: what are you debugging? Apr 26 05:12:33 well, not really anything at this moment. Apr 26 05:12:40 i need to fire up eclipse and debug on android. Apr 26 05:12:53 its pretty good Apr 26 05:13:03 it helped me with some tough nullpointer exceptions Apr 26 05:13:06 f00f-: guess you can debug in eclipse, idea, netbeans whatever Apr 26 05:13:24 i worked on an FPGA platform (uClinux) before, and really never needed to debug it software-wise. problems were always with hardware :P Apr 26 05:13:47 ah, yeah i remember you complaining about NPE's Apr 26 05:13:55 yea Apr 26 05:14:03 worst type of exception Apr 26 05:14:14 NPE's are easier to catch Apr 26 05:14:16 and fix Apr 26 05:14:24 with a debugger :) Apr 26 05:14:33 not really Apr 26 05:14:39 once you know the line Apr 26 05:14:50 then you really look for what can be null Apr 26 05:14:52 the debugger will tell you exactly what variable is null Apr 26 05:15:02 right Apr 26 05:15:10 can't get any easier than that :) Apr 26 05:15:21 yeah debugger greatly helps Apr 26 05:15:44 and no print lines.... ::cough:: ::cough:: Apr 26 05:16:02 better yet Apr 26 05:16:14 :) Apr 26 05:16:20 in the debugger, you can create breakpoints that are automatically triggered whenever an uncaught exception of a certain kind is thrown Apr 26 05:16:34 right Apr 26 05:16:39 romainguy, that is how i caught my null pointers.... Apr 26 05:17:24 i get NPE's, i'm happy Apr 26 05:17:29 sif who creates bugs Apr 26 05:17:45 ;) Apr 26 05:18:06 eclipse sucks on Linux Apr 26 05:18:18 yeah Apr 26 05:18:19 use something else Apr 26 05:18:23 like NetBeans or IntelliJ Apr 26 05:18:25 actually, it rocks on linux Apr 26 05:18:30 netbeans has come a long way Apr 26 05:18:38 NetBeans 6 is very good indeed Apr 26 05:18:39 i haven't gotten the eclipse/android setup on Linux to work right Apr 26 05:18:40 i use ed Apr 26 05:18:41 you want free, try netbeans Apr 26 05:18:51 duey: what? Apr 26 05:18:57 ed Apr 26 05:19:00 i know Apr 26 05:19:03 man ed Apr 26 05:19:05 I used Eclipse for years but I got tired of bugs in its compiler and other similar things Apr 26 05:19:09 i've used ed Apr 26 05:19:14 but why? Apr 26 05:19:15 its very awesome Apr 26 05:19:18 romainguy what do you use? Apr 26 05:19:22 IntelliJ Apr 26 05:19:24 romainguy: its compiler? depends on your JDK... Apr 26 05:19:30 f00f-: no Apr 26 05:19:36 Eclipse compiles with its own compiler by default Apr 26 05:19:39 IntelliJ Rocks.. but lately the cool factor has come down Apr 26 05:19:45 you can actually use Eclipse without a JDK, and just a JRE Apr 26 05:19:56 no android plugin for intellij right? Apr 26 05:19:59 oh, i always use it with a JDK Apr 26 05:20:05 michaelnovakjr, there is something Apr 26 05:20:12 yes, available Apr 26 05:20:14 f00f-: but then you lose the incremental compiling Apr 26 05:20:15 oh cool, i'm all ears Apr 26 05:20:18 and oh boy, their move to Java 1.5 was painful Apr 26 05:20:24 michaelnovakjr: no plugin, but there's no need Apr 26 05:20:40 michaelnovakjr: and it doesn't really matter for me, because the Eclipse plugin is of no use for the work I do anyway Apr 26 05:20:53 haha romainguy, point taken Apr 26 05:21:10 you guys are actually lucky, you have better tools than we do :) Apr 26 05:21:23 romainguy_____: really? Apr 26 05:21:36 you just hit run in Eclipse to try your app Apr 26 05:21:42 doesn't work when you work wit the SDK Apr 26 05:21:44 er Apr 26 05:21:48 when you work on the framework Apr 26 05:21:49 sorry Apr 26 05:21:56 right Apr 26 05:22:01 but you got IntelliJ Apr 26 05:22:03 even better, I have to reboot the system for every change Apr 26 05:22:06 it's a lot of fun :)) Apr 26 05:22:15 wow, reboots.... rough Apr 26 05:22:18 muthu: but the other guys who work on Eclipse don't use the plugin either Apr 26 05:22:21 that is rough Apr 26 05:22:32 how long for reboot? Apr 26 05:22:33 that's ok, the reboot time is not that bad on mac os x Apr 26 05:22:38 hmm let me time it Apr 26 05:22:44 especially on a mac pro :) Apr 26 05:23:05 the reboot time is not that much faster on a macpro compared to a macbook pro Apr 26 05:23:25 yea, i have both..... depends on which mac pro Apr 26 05:24:11 is mac good? Apr 26 05:24:11 its slow as on windows Apr 26 05:24:20 it is faster on my mac Apr 26 05:24:21 the reboot takes 20 seconds on my macbook pro Apr 26 05:24:26 i guess thats ok Apr 26 05:24:33 in the emulator Apr 26 05:24:45 20 secs is not bad Apr 26 05:24:46 i think its about 1 minute on my windows box Apr 26 05:24:58 muthu: except when you do it all day long :)) Apr 26 05:24:58 i scream every time ihave to reboot it Apr 26 05:25:04 the compile times can be infuriating too Apr 26 05:25:09 and i only reboot a few times a day Apr 26 05:25:10 romainguy_____: that's why you should hang out here Apr 26 05:25:14 muthu: the mac is GREAT Apr 26 05:25:24 romainguy: surely it only compiles whats changed? Apr 26 05:25:38 michaelnovakjr: FC8 is keeping me happy Apr 26 05:25:43 duey: it depends on what you change Apr 26 05:25:54 fixing bugs is fine Apr 26 05:25:59 doing API changes is another matter... Apr 26 05:26:02 muthu, never got into fc Apr 26 05:26:07 or changing the resources, XML attributes, etc. Apr 26 05:26:09 i'm using ubuntu Apr 26 05:26:10 ah Apr 26 05:26:19 michaelnovakjr: FC is just fine Apr 26 05:26:20 i regret upgrading to ubuntu 8.04 Apr 26 05:26:30 this is making me want to go to apple.com and configure a macbook Apr 26 05:26:31 f00f-: how come? Apr 26 05:26:32 should get some distributed compiling going Apr 26 05:26:32 lot of ubuntu regrets Apr 26 05:26:36 you don't want to know how long a clean build takes on a macbook pro :)) Apr 26 05:26:47 probably can't do it in java Apr 26 05:26:47 how long? Apr 26 05:26:51 xcode has it Apr 26 05:26:54 cool feature Apr 26 05:26:55 you don't want to know ^^ Apr 26 05:26:57 cant get to a console. X is a white background, nothing works. Apr 26 05:27:03 we want to know.. tell us Apr 26 05:27:20 f00f-: interesting.... i haven't had problems on the three machines i have it on Apr 26 05:27:24 duey: distributed compiling is useless when you work on a powerful desktop Apr 26 05:27:31 in our case I mean Apr 26 05:27:46 distributed compiling - is it ever useful? Apr 26 05:27:56 does compiling make use of multiple cores? Apr 26 05:28:01 make tries to Apr 26 05:28:06 i am using ATI fglrx, so that might be a hint Apr 26 05:28:12 that's why it's faster on the MacPro actually Apr 26 05:28:25 ah, f00f- i have learned with ubuntu nvidia plays nice Apr 26 05:28:26 but there are still many things that have to happen sequentially Apr 26 05:28:40 and the speed of the hard drive is a big factor too Apr 26 05:28:43 i use a dual display setup and all the effects Apr 26 05:28:55 (especially when you work in encrypted folders :) Apr 26 05:28:57 yeah, my next thinkpad will have nvidia on it Apr 26 05:29:12 romainguy_____: release the source code with the next SDK Apr 26 05:29:22 lol Apr 26 05:29:30 i'd be happy with just the sdk :) Apr 26 05:29:30 muthu: not my call :) Apr 26 05:29:49 romainguy_____: i know, but you can have your say ;) Apr 26 05:30:15 muthu, open sourcing something is not easy Apr 26 05:30:37 duey: right Apr 26 05:30:40 you'll get the source, just be patient Apr 26 05:30:56 i know, its too early Apr 26 05:31:41 android is already awesome, no worries Apr 26 05:31:49 future looks bright Apr 26 05:32:43 hope so Apr 26 05:32:46 well im glad i dont have to wait for something to compile Apr 26 05:32:50 yet Apr 26 05:32:54 i'm betting BIG time on android Apr 26 05:33:13 i can't wait to use it! Apr 26 05:33:42 hope google doesn't just drop android for whatever reasons Apr 26 06:17:02 wow, never thought android forums would be giving me great leads Apr 26 06:17:19 someone from huawei is interested in mobeegal Apr 26 06:17:24 cool! Apr 26 06:21:37 oh nice man Apr 26 06:21:46 its happening.... Apr 26 09:06:32 Hello my fellow andromodites how has every one been? Apr 26 09:07:57 enjoying the weekend so far Apr 26 09:09:05 good good. My weekend is sadly not going to be imbued in android but will be good, I'll be at the Triptych festival in Glasgow Apr 26 09:09:31 sounds like fun Apr 26 09:10:17 Going to a Q&A with the Rza, watching ghost dogg, another Q&A with Rza and then seeing him play with flying lotus as bobby digital. Going to be a rather R zig zag zig allah day. Apr 26 09:11:00 who's Rza? Apr 26 09:12:13 He's the lead of the Wu-tang clan, a rapper, producer, musician, composer and hero of mine Apr 26 09:12:23 cool Apr 26 09:12:43 More recently noted for his works scoring films, he hasn't really been heavy on the rap scene for a while now Apr 26 09:12:51 you know him? Apr 26 09:13:05 no, just a fan Apr 26 09:13:09 ok Apr 26 09:48:58 I have a service problem I am trying to untangle. Maybe someone else can lend some ideas. Apr 26 09:49:18 At the momment I have two activities that depend on a running service Apr 26 09:49:30 the service is only started by one of those activities Apr 26 09:49:40 but both bind to it Apr 26 09:50:29 the problem I have is that service is started no matter which activity binds to the service Apr 26 09:50:55 I need someway of telling whether one of the activities has started the service or not. Apr 26 09:51:32 actually scrub that, I've thought of a much easier way around it Apr 26 10:18:26 A dependable way to check on status and maybe cleanly kill services without resorting to killing the process Id would be a good feature in Android or something like an active service registry. I don't know if OSGI could provide that but it would certainly be very handy. Apr 26 11:27:33 :( Apr 26 13:18:45 hello :) Apr 26 14:40:57 Good Morning everyone. Apr 26 14:48:37 hi Dougie187 Apr 26 16:24:10 What is the fastest way to match string to integer, if there is not much legal strings (3-10)? Comparing string to each legal string, or using a hashmap? Apr 26 16:25:33 I need it to Apr 26 16:26:33 ... parse an xml as fast as possible. I have a list of possible attr names for each element tag name. Apr 26 17:42:36 mihoshi: a hash table would be an efficient structure to use. Apr 26 17:49:38 though if your strings are dissimilar, simple comparisons may be faster. Apr 26 17:51:22 remember that string comparison will fail-fast. Apr 26 17:53:46 the emulator does work on Linux! Apr 26 17:53:52 its just Eclipse that sucks Apr 26 17:57:23 My submition was tested yesterday and during the night Apr 26 17:59:17 they used it a long time, I wonder if several different people used it at the same time since it was from 3 different emulator instances. Apr 26 17:59:47 or the szame with a wipedata between each app launch Apr 26 18:00:08 Marvin_: what's you app? Apr 26 18:00:21 http://marvin.lpontier.com/ Apr 26 18:01:21 great Apr 26 18:02:25 cool Apr 26 18:02:32 marvin.. you are the map! Apr 26 18:02:37 Hope it went well :) Apr 26 18:03:06 and yours muthu? Apr 26 18:03:19 for the challenge, i did a cooking app Apr 26 18:03:23 do you have a way to know if testing is in progress for youre app? Apr 26 18:03:24 for my passion Apr 26 18:03:29 http://mobeegal.in Apr 26 18:04:23 cool, do you have some screenshots? Apr 26 18:05:31 or a readme? Apr 26 18:06:10 yes Apr 26 18:06:30 coming soon Apr 26 18:09:11 * dims wants to search for masala dosai on mobeegal.in Apr 26 18:09:21 hehe Apr 26 18:09:32 you'll be served Apr 26 18:09:49 dims: soon.. a bit of patient though Apr 26 18:10:05 muthu: am so far away... Apr 26 18:10:11 that's ok Apr 26 18:10:17 find stuff closer Apr 26 18:10:31 and closer is something you can define Apr 26 18:10:37 it can be chennai Apr 26 18:10:41 or hyderabd Apr 26 18:10:45 or newyork Apr 26 18:11:22 :) Apr 26 18:11:44 dims: come over to chennai, give me a call Apr 26 18:11:47 we'll meet Apr 26 18:12:23 this is an open invitation droids! Apr 26 18:12:33 if you are in chennai, call me Apr 26 18:13:00 * dims notes nearest saravana bhavan is a 6 hour drive :) Apr 26 18:13:10 muthu: thx! Apr 26 18:13:22 dims: welcome Apr 26 18:13:42 just now came from a party where we had "kal dosai" :-) Apr 26 18:13:50 beer + kal dosai!! Apr 26 18:13:51 hehe Apr 26 18:14:47 btw, mobeegal is generating sooo much of interest Apr 26 18:15:16 what is mobeegal Apr 26 18:15:29 its a mobile search engine Apr 26 18:16:15 nice. Apr 26 18:16:15 its google for your mobile Apr 26 18:16:18 what is mobile... the index of the app that query the index ? Apr 26 18:16:19 dangit. im going to be without a laptop for a while now. Apr 26 18:16:20 :( Apr 26 18:16:49 Marvin_: ?? Apr 26 18:16:50 so mobeegal finds local info ? Apr 26 18:17:03 living_sword: yes Apr 26 18:17:48 lol marvin left. Apr 26 18:17:54 he was embarrassed by his question Apr 26 18:18:08 haha Apr 26 18:18:24 so mobeegal will compete with google ? Apr 26 18:18:47 the users decide Apr 26 18:19:11 lol Apr 26 18:19:29 Dougie187: do you use google in your mobile? Apr 26 18:20:06 haha Apr 26 18:20:16 no easy answers he Apr 26 18:20:29 pfft. no. Apr 26 18:20:30 i cant Apr 26 18:20:33 i dont have a smart phone Apr 26 18:20:38 ha! Apr 26 18:20:45 it would take my an hour to type in a search for google. Apr 26 18:20:48 let alone get to google Apr 26 18:20:51 right Apr 26 18:21:00 so.. Apr 26 18:21:02 onec i get a smart phone i probably would Apr 26 18:21:11 its all wide open now Apr 26 18:21:13 i have gmail on my phone though Apr 26 18:21:25 gmail.. i love it Apr 26 18:21:35 just cuz gmail has an app for phones. Apr 26 18:21:39 makes it easy to check my email Apr 26 18:21:53 right Apr 26 18:22:26 so there's nothing like competition Apr 26 18:22:50 so. i dropped my laptop on its back last night. Apr 26 18:22:58 and it kinda smashed in the power adapter. Apr 26 18:22:58 oh oh Apr 26 18:23:04 so now i have to send it in to get fixed. Apr 26 18:23:06 :( Apr 26 18:23:09 the last time i dropped my laptop Apr 26 18:23:21 it screwed up my monitor Apr 26 18:23:34 i blamed the repairs on other things Apr 26 18:23:35 though Apr 26 18:23:40 hehe Apr 26 18:23:51 i tried to think of things it would take them forever to fix or diagnose, so they would just replace the mobo Apr 26 18:23:59 lol Apr 26 18:24:04 I said the fan is dying. Apr 26 18:24:08 and the touchpad is dying Apr 26 18:24:11 and it feezes a lot. Apr 26 18:24:23 and i reinstalled recently so its not software Apr 26 18:24:23 lol Apr 26 18:24:29 haha Apr 26 18:24:31 of course, it never freezes. Apr 26 18:24:33 but the fan is dying Apr 26 18:24:36 are they giving new? Apr 26 18:24:40 and the touchpad is getting less sensitive. Apr 26 18:24:41 ionno Apr 26 18:24:43 lets see Apr 26 18:24:46 its like 3 years old. Apr 26 18:24:54 3 yrs is like death Apr 26 18:24:59 so I doubt if they have any spare parts for it lying around Apr 26 18:25:10 they dont even make this model anymore Apr 26 18:25:18 yeah Apr 26 18:25:22 it would be done Apr 26 18:25:23 luckily i got a free 4 year extended warranty when i bought it Apr 26 18:25:23 lol Apr 26 18:25:29 haha Apr 26 18:25:46 i hope they just give me a new one Apr 26 18:25:48 that would be awesome Apr 26 18:26:20 dell? Apr 26 18:26:26 toshiba Apr 26 18:26:39 customer service was good on the phone today Apr 26 18:26:41 i was suprised. Apr 26 18:26:52 dell is decent as far as customer service is concerned too Apr 26 18:26:55 averatec blows. Apr 26 18:27:10 some people get it Apr 26 18:27:15 i just told him i needed to get my thing repaired. Apr 26 18:27:31 cool Apr 26 18:27:38 Dougie187: where you from? Apr 26 18:31:40 florida Apr 26 18:31:45 cool Apr 26 18:31:48 you? Apr 26 18:31:54 chennai, india Apr 26 18:32:02 thats quite the ways away Apr 26 18:32:08 yup Apr 26 18:32:14 and yet so near!! Apr 26 18:32:21 lol Apr 26 18:32:38 i was in connecticut a long time back Apr 26 18:32:42 did my MS Apr 26 18:32:52 then had fun in US for some time Apr 26 18:32:53 in? Apr 26 18:32:58 CompSci Apr 26 18:33:12 now in chennai Apr 26 18:33:19 those were the times!! Apr 26 18:33:33