**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 12 02:59:57 2008
May 12 03:38:05 <jasta> yawn
May 12 03:38:06 <jasta> hey duey
May 12 03:38:58 <duey> hi
May 12 03:40:30 <jasta> i'm tidying my app to release the source very soon
May 12 03:51:53 <jasta> man i am very curious to see what the new SDK brings...
May 12 03:51:56 <jasta> they have been working for months
May 12 03:58:40 <duey> i reckon they have been boozing and not getting any work done
May 12 04:23:40 <romainguy__> duey: I wish
May 12 04:24:56 <Kraln> probably boozing AND getting work done
May 12 04:28:43 <trigatch4> haha... you'll know if they announce it as: Anadaeroisd SDKSS RC 141242141
May 12 04:54:37 <Kraln> Android SSSS
May 12 04:54:42 <Kraln> android SSSSSSSSSSSDDDD
May 12 04:54:45 <Kraln> andoird sdk
May 12 04:54:48 <Kraln> and fuck you for asking
May 12 04:54:50 <Kraln> ;lol
May 12 04:56:46 <jerkface03> stop violating my virgin ears with all your profanity
May 12 05:00:42 <trigatch4> maybe you should be virginears03?
May 12 05:01:20 <jasta> i saw Cloud Cult in Portland last night and they were so unbelievably awesome
May 12 05:01:33 <jasta> i've seen them a couple of times and this last show was just incredible
May 12 05:03:01 <jasta> probably one of my top 5 favorite shows
May 12 05:03:24 <jasta> up there with a Minus The Bear show last year, and a Death Cab / Stars show two years ago
May 12 05:12:07 <jerkface03> what?
May 12 05:12:10 <jerkface03> man this song is great
May 12 05:12:12 <jerkface03> it's about pancakes
May 12 06:50:39 <|_LinK_|> Beryllium, really
May 12 06:50:58 <|_LinK_|> ty
May 12 06:52:43 <Beryllium> you're welcome :)
May 12 06:53:40 <Beryllium> I think Android will be coming on a wide range of devices, so it may be possible to get one for less than an iPhone, when they eventually are announced
May 12 06:55:03 <|_LinK_|> how much is an iPhone?
May 12 06:55:15 <|_LinK_|> here is expensive... is more cheap I import one than buy here
May 12 06:55:20 <Beryllium> I forget, they don't sell them here in Canada yet. 400 to 600 dollars US, I think.
May 12 06:55:44 <|_LinK_|> wow
May 12 06:56:07 <|_LinK_|> 1020 here
May 12 06:56:22 <|_LinK_|> 680 - 1020
May 12 06:56:33 <|_LinK_|> damn....
May 12 06:56:47 <Beryllium> but many android devices will probably cost less than that
May 12 06:57:13 <|_LinK_|> until they come to brazil will take much time
May 12 06:57:38 <|_LinK_|> (if it isn't released in usa yet)
May 12 06:57:38 <Beryllium> indeed
May 12 06:57:40 <Beryllium> anyway, bedtime :)
May 12 06:57:54 <|_LinK_|> yes
May 12 06:57:59 <|_LinK_|> c ya
May 12 06:58:07 <|_LinK_|> I will be here at morning
May 12 06:58:17 <|_LinK_|> (at morning? in morning? on morning?)
May 12 06:58:30 <Beryllium> "in the morning"
May 12 06:58:55 <Beryllium> or, sometimes, "tomorrow morning"
May 12 06:59:26 <|_LinK_|> ty... I never know when I may use IN, ON and AT
May 12 06:59:43 <|_LinK_|> but it is fine
May 12 06:59:48 <|_LinK_|> the people understand me auuhahuahuaUHa
May 12 06:59:53 <|_LinK_|> c ya people
May 12 06:59:54 <Beryllium> I just spent the last week in Mexico with most people speaking spanish .... and I don't speak a word of it. So I know the feeling. :)
May 12 07:00:05 <|_LinK_|> ty Beryllium
May 12 07:00:12 <|_LinK_|> ahuhauhuahuahuAhua
May 12 07:00:25 <Beryllium> well, okay, that's not entirely true - I know "gracias" ... :)
May 12 07:00:27 <|_LinK_|> speak a seconde language give me some type of agony
May 12 07:00:38 <|_LinK_|> second*
May 12 07:00:58 <|_LinK_|> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh as vezes dá uns surtos e preciso falar português aHUhuahuahuauha
May 12 07:01:12 <|_LinK_|> sometimes I need speak portuguese
May 12 07:01:26 <|_LinK_|> spanish r0x
May 12 07:01:46 <|_LinK_|> castellano
May 12 07:01:47 <Beryllium> "donde esta la bano" ... or is it el bano? heh
May 12 07:02:15 <|_LinK_|> bano I never heard
May 12 07:02:41 <Beryllium> well, it has an accented "n" that I didn't want to futz around with typing :)
May 12 07:02:58 <Beryllium> anyway, most travel guides say it's the spanish way of saying "bathroom" or "restroom"
May 12 07:03:39 <|_LinK_|> ahhhh
May 12 07:03:41 <|_LinK_|> baño
May 12 07:03:56 <Beryllium> that's t he one
May 12 07:04:09 <|_LinK_|> for us that speak latin languages the "nasal sound" is natural
May 12 07:04:11 <Beryllium> I'd h ave had to use Alt-02xx
May 12 07:04:18 <|_LinK_|> ñ sounds equal nh
May 12 07:04:30 <Beryllium> "ban-yo" is how I'd pronounce it
May 12 07:04:52 <|_LinK_|> here we use "banho" to "take a shower"
May 12 07:05:03 <|_LinK_|> and the bathroom is banheiro here
May 12 07:05:14 <Beryllium> makes more sense that way, IMHO
May 12 07:05:19 <|_LinK_|> nh and lh are very used
May 12 07:05:30 <Beryllium> anyway, sleep! :) buenas noches
May 12 07:05:37 <|_LinK_|> aHUaHUaHU buenas
May 12 07:05:42 <|_LinK_|> hasta la vista
May 12 07:05:58 <|_LinK_|> yo estarei acá cuando amaneceres
May 12 07:06:15 <|_LinK_|> c ya aUHaHUAHUHUuah
May 12 07:06:16 <|_LinK_|> t+
May 12 07:07:50 <|_LinK_|> and only for curiosity...
May 12 07:08:00 <|_LinK_|> Beryllium here is Berílio
May 12 07:08:14 <|_LinK_|> with i acute
May 12 07:15:31 <nil936> my class extends ImageView and I want to place a few buttons on it.How can i do that
May 12 07:15:52 <nil936> can anybody please help me
May 12 07:17:39 <nil936> is there naybody to help me
May 12 07:47:23 <living_sword> any1 thinks google will meet monday's deadline to publish winner's list ?
May 12 10:05:02 <muthu1> duey: you there?
May 12 10:05:19 <duey> yes
May 12 10:05:32 <muthu1> are you busy with exams?
May 12 10:05:42 <duey> no
May 12 10:05:44 <duey> hons
May 12 10:06:01 <muthu1> can you give me your email?
May 12 10:06:08 <muthu1> will send you some message
May 12 10:06:31 <duey> see pm
May 12 10:06:36 <muthu1> ok
May 12 10:06:43 <muthu1> thx
May 12 10:08:58 <muthu1> send a message, check it out
May 12 10:11:18 <muthu1> cool
May 12 10:11:25 <duey> yeah so
May 12 10:11:32 <muthu1> np
May 12 10:11:42 <duey> im already behind on my hons
May 12 10:11:46 <duey> dont think it would be wise
May 12 10:11:49 <muthu1> yeah do that
May 12 10:11:59 <duey> maybe next adc
May 12 10:12:03 <muthu1> sure
May 12 10:12:16 <muthu1> 2 is always waiting :-)
May 12 10:12:28 <duey> yep
May 12 13:09:08 <Dougie187> Good morning everyone
May 12 13:19:20 <Dougie187> blackberry made an ADCish fund.
May 12 13:20:28 <muthu1> Dougie187: yeah, that's cool
May 12 13:21:19 <Dougie187> 150m
May 12 15:13:24 <AhtiK> Dougie187: yep, and there's a 100m iPhone-only start-up fund
May 12 15:13:42 <AhtiK> Dougie187: aka iFund
May 12 15:13:53 <Dougie187> yeah i heard about that one
May 12 15:13:56 <Dougie187> just not about the rim one
May 12 15:14:10 <michaelnovakjr__> i was surprised at the new rim phone
May 12 15:14:20 <michaelnovakjr__> i expected a bit more from them
May 12 15:14:34 <michaelnovakjr__> for one some form of touch screen should have been on that phone
May 12 15:21:40 <jasta> yawn
May 12 15:31:29 <Dougie187> hey michaelnovakjr
May 12 15:31:33 <Dougie187> i made a new halo map
May 12 15:31:34 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 15:31:38 <Dougie187> its for a cops and robbers game
May 12 15:31:41 <michaelnovakjr__> sweet
May 12 15:31:46 <Dougie187> yeah
May 12 15:31:48 <Dougie187> its pretty cool
May 12 15:32:00 <michaelnovakjr__> that sounds like an interesting game
May 12 15:32:03 <Dougie187> its got a ton of hiding spots in it
May 12 15:32:07 <Dougie187> basically, its infection
May 12 15:32:11 <michaelnovakjr__> nice
May 12 15:32:12 <Dougie187> and theres one zombie (a cop)
May 12 15:32:18 <Dougie187> and he can't die
May 12 15:32:21 <michaelnovakjr__> same map as before?
May 12 15:32:25 <Dougie187> but he has no radar and is invisible
May 12 15:32:26 <Dougie187> no
May 12 15:32:27 <Dougie187> its a new oe
May 12 15:32:28 <Dougie187> one
May 12 15:32:30 <michaelnovakjr__> cool
May 12 15:32:45 <Dougie187> it takes a bit of cooperation from the non-zombies though
May 12 15:32:53 <Dougie187> basically if he finds you, you have to follow him to jail
May 12 15:33:00 <michaelnovakjr__> meeting... be back
May 12 15:33:02 <Dougie187> and then your team mates can save you from jail if they are fast.
May 12 15:33:03 <Dougie187> ok
May 12 16:08:36 <jasta> morning romain
May 12 16:10:16 <romainguy> yo
May 12 16:13:38 <jasta> so is the next SDK release supposed to be huge or what? :)
May 12 16:14:23 <romainguy> you'll see when it's released
May 12 16:14:43 <dmoffett> jasta: I think there are a lot wondering about that.  If it is huge though Google may wait until after phase II.
May 12 16:14:57 <dmoffett> I hope not though.
May 12 16:15:26 <jasta> that would be cutting it pretty close to commercial launch, i'd think
May 12 16:15:46 <dmoffett> true, I have no idea.
May 12 16:16:10 <dmoffett> I just hope the latest is faster.
May 12 16:16:12 <jasta> judging from discussions, the list of changes must be staggering
May 12 16:16:39 <jasta> dmoffett: well, QEMU is pretty slow more so than the framework
May 12 16:16:43 <romainguy> all I can say is that we have a few API changes and a few new features :))
May 12 16:16:44 <dmoffett> iPhone emulator is very fast compared to Android emulator.  Who knows that that means though?
May 12 16:16:45 <jasta> qemu runs everything slow ;)
May 12 16:17:00 <jasta> the iphone emulator probably is not an emulator at all.
May 12 16:17:06 <romainguy> dmoffett: it depends so much on your host... the emulator is faster than actual devices on my machines
May 12 16:17:16 <romainguy> dmoffett: iPhone has a *simulator*
May 12 16:17:18 <romainguy> not an emulator
May 12 16:17:33 <romainguy> it makes a huge difference
May 12 16:17:34 <dmoffett> Good news.
May 12 16:17:40 <dmoffett> Cool
May 12 16:17:52 <dmoffett> Kind of freaked me out.
May 12 16:18:04 <dmoffett> I have to support both iPhone and Android.
May 12 16:19:14 <dmoffett> romainguy: What kind of machines are you running?
May 12 16:19:20 <dmoffett> I may get a new machine soon.
May 12 16:19:26 <romainguy> a MacBook Pro 2nd gen and a MacPro 4-cores at work
May 12 16:19:33 <romainguy> and the new MacPro 8 cores at home
May 12 16:19:43 <dmoffett> must be nice.
May 12 16:19:49 <romainguy> it is very nice :)
May 12 16:19:59 <dmoffett> 30 inch display?
May 12 16:20:06 <romainguy> yes
May 12 16:20:10 <dmoffett> sweet
May 12 16:20:18 <romainguy> + a 24" at work :))
May 12 16:20:23 <romainguy> (we're spoiled)
May 12 16:20:30 <dmoffett> nice
May 12 16:20:39 <dmoffett> That is my setup as well.
May 12 16:21:15 <dmoffett> I have one of the slower Mac Pros though.
May 12 17:29:56 <jasta> it occurs to me that the gap in time between we saw the release of m3 and m5 is less than the gap since m5.
May 12 17:30:16 <jasta> it's been *3* months since the last significant release (m5-rc15 doesn't count)
May 12 17:30:56 <zhobbs`> yeah, I was hoping for an update right after the deadline
May 12 17:57:20 <jasta> virusexperts.com?  lol
May 12 18:21:48 <sYskk> Anyone here knows if there exists a "mobile browser" that extends javascript in order to give access to mobile devices features such as GPS tracking
May 12 18:22:12 <sYskk> i know i can do that kind of stuff with android but was wondering if i could leave everything at the web layer
May 12 18:22:24 <michaelnovakjr__> doubt it
May 12 18:23:02 <michaelnovakjr__> that could be a big security disaster
May 12 18:23:11 <michaelnovakjr__> me != javascript
May 12 18:23:11 <sYskk> not really if implemented properly
May 12 18:23:27 <sYskk> just like flash allows an application to use the client's webcam but it asks first
May 12 18:24:17 <f00f-> perhaps you should approach the Opera folks?
May 12 18:24:43 <sYskk> right
May 12 18:27:27 <sYskk> I guess Opera is the most popular mobile browser ?
May 12 18:27:45 <f00f-> one could say so, but i don't know if it is true
May 12 18:35:37 <sYskk> ok cool
May 12 18:36:00 <vol_> opera is pretty popular
May 12 18:36:10 <vol_> though apparently mozilla is making firefox mobile?
May 12 18:36:28 <warcaptain> minimo
May 12 18:36:49 <vol_> also, most browsers have been purposefully moving AWAY from letting JS affect the browser's environment
May 12 18:37:01 <vol_> with the exception of stuff like signed scripts running from the local machine
May 12 18:38:48 <jasta> I wonder if Google would be willing to selectively post certain "honorable mentions"...
May 12 18:39:08 <vol_> "Absolute worst entry"
May 12 18:39:31 <vol_> "Inclusion of server communication apparently only to determine whether judges were viewing it"
May 12 18:39:40 <vol_> "The shocker"
May 12 18:39:44 <vol_> \\,/
May 12 18:40:20 <f00f-> heh
May 12 18:40:33 <f00f-> when are they publishing the list?!!
May 12 18:40:39 <Dougie187> Lol
May 12 18:40:40 <jasta> i know that at least a handful of google employees had their top picks that didn't make it
May 12 18:40:47 <jasta> would be nice if they could still toss those apps a bone
May 12 18:41:06 <jasta> f00f-: if you assumed today, you obviously haven't been following the Android team's track record :)
May 12 18:41:41 <f00f-> perhaps their PR folks are better than their SDK folks
May 12 18:41:49 <Dougie187> hah
May 12 18:42:01 <Dougie187> perhaps.
May 12 18:42:06 <Dougie187> or, perhaps they are the same people
May 12 18:42:17 <f00f-> jekyll & hyde :)
May 12 18:44:45 <f00f-> jasta: thought about RIM's VC fund?
May 12 18:45:01 <f00f-> probably a bit different from iFund but is it worth it?
May 12 18:45:52 <jasta> no, blackberry sucks.
May 12 18:46:07 <jasta> i really am not a mercenary here.  i genuinely liked android, and wanted to support specifically this platform
May 12 18:46:54 <f00f-> okay
May 12 18:47:14 <Dougie187> jasta: rims fund isnt only for blackberries
May 12 18:47:22 <Dougie187> rim would pay you to develop an app for android
May 12 18:47:31 <jasta> why on earth would they do that?
May 12 18:47:47 <Dougie187> to "push the community forward"
May 12 18:47:49 <Dougie187> or something like that
May 12 18:47:55 <jasta> that's ridiculous
May 12 18:48:12 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, the mobile industry makes absolutely no sense at this point in time
May 12 18:48:13 <Dougie187> thats what engadget reported at least.
May 12 18:48:31 <michaelnovakjr__> there's all this potential and no one knows what to do with it
May 12 18:49:20 <f00f-> just gotta take it an run
May 12 18:49:31 <zhobbs`> didn't someone say there was a nokia widget contest or something also?
May 12 18:49:46 <f00f-> yeah
May 12 18:49:50 <f00f-> deadline was friday
May 12 18:50:03 <zhobbs`> what was the name of it?
May 12 18:50:07 <f00f-> only 10,000 EUR or osmething
May 12 18:50:09 <f00f-> let me look
May 12 18:50:15 <f00f-> it should be on Forum Nokia
May 12 18:50:25 <zhobbs`> ok
May 12 18:51:46 <Dougie187> here jasta: http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/12/rim-launching-150-million-vc-fund-for-mobile-apps/
May 12 18:52:45 <jasta> yeah i read it.
May 12 18:52:55 <jasta> i dont think engadget reporting this and not RIM is very credible
May 12 18:54:08 <Dougie187> http://www.blackberrypartnersfund.com/pressrelease.html
May 12 18:54:53 <Dougie187> The BlackBerry Partners Fund is a $150 million venture capital fund being formed to focus on applications and services for the BlackBerry platform and other mobile platforms including mobile commerce (payments, advertising, retailing and banking), vertical and horizontal enterprise applications, communications, social networking, location-based applications and services (navigation and mapping), media and entertainment, and lifestyle and person
May 12 18:55:17 <Dougie187> is that a bit more credible?
May 12 18:55:25 <f00f-> zhobbs`: Cash award of 15,000 Euros for the Global Web Runtime (WRT) and Flash Lite Winner
May 12 18:55:30 <f00f-> but i cant find it anymore
May 12 18:56:52 <zhobbs`> f00f-: ok, just trying figure out if google was the first in this string of mobile app contest/funding promotions
May 12 18:57:25 <f00f-> not really, other guys have been doing it for years
May 12 18:58:02 <f00f-> most of the nokia ones are PR stuff, and more recently prizes for their new platforms
May 12 18:58:05 <f00f-> web runtime, flash lite, etc.
May 12 18:59:29 <michaelnovakjr__> i just want to know where the love for open source is in all of this?
May 12 18:59:38 <Dougie187> lol i havent seen any.
May 12 18:59:48 <michaelnovakjr__> me either
May 12 18:59:53 <michaelnovakjr__> and it is very disappointing
May 12 18:59:54 <Dougie187> speaking of open source. i thought the last line in the last ADC blog post was funny.
May 12 18:59:57 <f00f-> you won't see much right now, it'll take some time
May 12 19:00:03 <Dougie187> or.. ironic at least.
May 12 19:00:21 <michaelnovakjr__> i have come to the conclusion i won't use any software that is not open source for android
May 12 19:00:26 <Dougie187> "The real winners, however, are the consumers who will benefit from the work of these talented developers."
May 12 19:00:36 <michaelnovakjr__> haha yea
May 12 19:00:48 <Dougie187> after the conversation last week, i believe this is a load of crap
May 12 19:00:48 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:00:55 <michaelnovakjr__> indeed
May 12 19:01:20 <Kraln> my application was open source ;-(
May 12 19:01:36 <michaelnovakjr__> Kraln..... i tip my hat to you
May 12 19:01:40 <michaelnovakjr__> did you win?
May 12 19:02:06 <Dougie187> i wonder how many open source projects did win
May 12 19:02:20 <jasta> from the look of it, not very many
May 12 19:02:20 <michaelnovakjr__> i'll write an open source equivalent to any closed source app for android
May 12 19:02:38 <jasta> that's an awesome strategy :)
May 12 19:02:46 <jasta> knock them all off one-by-one :)
May 12 19:02:57 <michaelnovakjr__> hell yea....... keep it open all the way up the stack
May 12 19:03:16 <Kraln> michaelnovakjr: unfortunately, no
May 12 19:03:22 <jasta> i am a bit surprised that Google did not impose at least some requirements on the apps submitted
May 12 19:03:27 <michaelnovakjr__> Kraln, figures
May 12 19:03:37 <Kraln> michaelnovakjr: I was apparently top 100, though
May 12 19:03:42 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 12 19:03:56 <jasta> woo for the bottom 1688!  *raise the roof*
May 12 19:04:07 <michaelnovakjr__> hell yea!
May 12 19:04:24 <michaelnovakjr__> you didn't hear... success rate starts at the bottom
May 12 19:04:36 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:05:21 <jasta> i'm not even sure what to do with all my fame and success.  i might make a badge for my blog to display proudly just how mediocre i am ;)
May 12 19:05:36 <f00f-> haha
May 12 19:05:36 <michaelnovakjr__> hell yea!
May 12 19:05:37 <Dougie187> thats a great idea jasta
May 12 19:05:51 <Dougie187> make it wood colored.
May 12 19:05:56 <jasta> fake wood
May 12 19:05:58 <Dougie187> yup
May 12 19:06:03 <Dougie187> not even good enough for bronze
May 12 19:06:07 <Dougie187> heh
May 12 19:06:18 <jasta> i'll have the fake wood peeling off too
May 12 19:06:22 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 12 19:06:33 <Dougie187> and make it plastic underneath
May 12 19:06:47 <Dougie187> like a gray plastic
May 12 19:07:06 <michaelnovakjr__> i love the....... 'i can't tell you what i am developing.... its super secret G-14 classified material'
May 12 19:07:47 <Dougie187> i dont think there is an issue keeping it closed source during the competition, but after the fact i would think they should be open.
May 12 19:07:53 <Dougie187> during you dont want someone to steal your idea.
May 12 19:07:57 <jasta> i was never secret about my idea because i am confident that i can implement it better than any of these money grubbing zombies competing in the ADC.
May 12 19:07:57 <Dougie187> and make the same app but better.
May 12 19:08:03 <jasta> and i am remain confident.
May 12 19:08:17 <Dougie187> i think you should resubmit to adc2 jasta.
May 12 19:08:19 <Dougie187> same with michaelnovakjr
May 12 19:08:26 <michaelnovakjr__> companies shouldn't have been allowed to compete, unless they are a non-profit open source entity
May 12 19:08:31 <Dougie187> just try to improve your apps before then
May 12 19:08:36 <jasta> Dougie187: Well see, here's the thing...
May 12 19:08:46 <jasta> I am wanting to get a job at one of the OHA members.
May 12 19:08:53 <jasta> And do Android dev professionally
May 12 19:08:57 <Dougie187> ohh
May 12 19:08:59 <Dougie187> so if you release it
May 12 19:09:02 <Dougie187> then you can put it on your resume
May 12 19:09:05 <jasta> If I attain that goal, I would then be inelligible to release for the ADC2.
May 12 19:09:05 <zhobbs`> I applied at moto and never heard back
May 12 19:09:31 <Dougie187> true.
May 12 19:09:41 <zhobbs`> android is fun to code for though
May 12 19:09:43 <Dougie187> well, if you dont attain that goal. then dump it into ADC2
May 12 19:09:47 <michaelnovakjr__> Dougie187, i am going to make a facebook plugin so when theres a tornado 200 feet from you, you'll be able to blog it.... maybe that will get the attention of those OHA stupid assess
May 12 19:09:55 <Dougie187> Nice.
May 12 19:10:06 <michaelnovakjr__> :: very sarcastic ::
May 12 19:10:12 <Dougie187> oh man, it made me upset when i saw "Social Networking" in the list of apps that won on the ADC blog.
May 12 19:10:29 <Dougie187> that was disappointing.
May 12 19:10:46 <michaelnovakjr__> yea, i'd love to track my friends.....
May 12 19:10:52 <michaelnovakjr__> because i have nothing better to do with my life
May 12 19:11:05 <Dougie187> .someone made a game.
May 12 19:11:10 <Dougie187> for your and your friends.
May 12 19:11:11 <Dougie187> with gps
May 12 19:11:17 <Dougie187> ionno how it works.
May 12 19:11:23 <Dougie187> but they give a basic overview of it.
May 12 19:11:39 <Dougie187> "I've also seen applications that connect people during emergency situations"
May 12 19:11:44 <Dougie187> i wonder who they are talking about
May 12 19:12:01 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 12 19:12:16 <michaelnovakjr__> someone who stole my idea and made it 'social network friendly'
May 12 19:12:21 <Dougie187> here is the thing i was talking about "One developer even turned a real city block into a playing field where gamers can role-play and chase after villains."
May 12 19:12:28 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 12 19:12:37 <Dougie187> thats not helpful.
May 12 19:12:41 <Dougie187> or useful for that matter.
May 12 19:12:48 <michaelnovakjr__> how does that make me want to use that app?
May 12 19:12:53 <Dougie187> i know,
May 12 19:13:26 <Dougie187> hey michaelnovakjr__ here is an idea.
May 12 19:13:47 <Dougie187> Make a script or something, maybe a facebook app, that when there is a tornado it writes it to peoples walls.
May 12 19:13:52 <Dougie187> because a lot of people have sms from that.
May 12 19:14:06 <Dougie187> so they would get an sms message saying, Theres a tornado! (From your facebook wall)
May 12 19:14:11 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 12 19:14:18 <Dougie187> then its a free SMS tool for you.
May 12 19:14:40 <ligi> hi all - is the list of the 50 out somewhere?
May 12 19:14:43 <Dougie187> just figure out how to write to someones wall with a script.
May 12 19:14:48 <Dougie187> ligi: not that we know of
May 12 19:14:56 <michaelnovakjr__> has facebook gotten that dumb? ..... why not just stream your cellphone camera to facebook
May 12 19:15:05 <rhett> anything new?
May 12 19:15:13 <Dougie187> haha
May 12 19:16:04 <michaelnovakjr__> you can be like, hey guys taking a shit..... oh remember when i had starbucks early this morning.... must be that
May 12 19:16:17 <Dougie187> Lol "For privacy reasons, we will publish entrants' names without their consent."
May 12 19:16:23 <Dougie187> thats a comment on the ADC blog.
May 12 19:16:39 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 12 19:16:46 <michaelnovakjr__> seriously says that exactly?
May 12 19:16:50 <Dougie187> then he says that he meant Not publish
May 12 19:16:50 <Dougie187> yeah
May 12 19:16:55 <Dougie187> "   David McLaughlin (Android Advocate)  said... To address these comments, yes, we will be publishing the results of the top 50, pending the winner's opting-in. For privacy reasons, we will publish entrants' names without their consent.
May 12 19:16:55 <Dougie187> Toadi: Android has already arrived and the massive response to thiscontest -- hundreds of truly great quality apps -- has shown us howstrong the platform already is! To answer your un-asked question, thefirst Android handsets will be available in the second half of 2008. 10 May, 2008 20:58      David McLaughlin (Android Advocate)  said... Clarifying my last (quick) comment. It should have said we will *not* publish entrants' names without their
May 12 19:17:24 <michaelnovakjr__> can someone say..............................proof read?
May 12 19:17:43 <Dougie187> i thought dan said winners already opt-in
May 12 19:17:47 <Dougie187> they just need the losers to opt-in too
May 12 19:18:25 <michaelnovakjr__> nope
May 12 19:18:37 <michaelnovakjr__> the losers are just on page 23 while the winners get page 1!
May 12 19:18:53 <Dougie187> oh, i thought he said that last week. he said something about in the Ts and Cs it says if you win they have the right to publish your name and apps name
May 12 19:18:55 <Dougie187> or something like that
May 12 19:19:08 <f00f-> we'll soon know :D
May 12 19:19:35 <michaelnovakjr__> they should revoke apps that don't allow that now
May 12 19:19:53 <michaelnovakjr__> i mean come on...... this is the open handset alliance.... you are clearly breaking the alliance!
May 12 19:19:54 <Dougie187> it would be funny if they were like, oh you won but you wont let us publish your name? Sorry you lose then
May 12 19:20:00 <Dougie187> haha
May 12 19:20:19 <Dougie187> (click the un-ally button)
May 12 19:20:28 <Dougie187> (i never clicked allied victory)
May 12 19:20:50 <Dougie187> a little bit of SC fun there.
May 12 19:21:58 <Dougie187> winners have to release their names.
May 12 19:21:59 <Dougie187> "Affidavit of Eligibility, Publicity Release, and Payment Information -- Each participant will need to sign an affidavit confirming their eligibility to receive a prize and a release for Google to use your name in connection with your Entry. Also, we'll need certain information in order to actually complete payment of the prize money."
May 12 19:22:06 <Dougie187> well i guess if they want their 25k
May 12 19:24:55 <Dougie187> hey michaelnovakjr are you gonna get on halo tonight?
May 12 19:25:34 <michaelnovakjr__> yea, most likely.... i'll be on around 10:30-11 eastern time
May 12 19:25:58 <Dougie187> ok, i probably wont be on then.
May 12 19:26:18 <michaelnovakjr__> got some stuff going on after work tonight
May 12 19:26:19 <Dougie187> thats a bit late for me, i have to go to bed around 9:30 so my wife can wake up at 6:30
May 12 19:26:22 <Dougie187> cool
May 12 19:26:31 <Dougie187> well maybe sometime later this week I can show you cops and robbers.
May 12 19:26:39 <michaelnovakjr__> definitely
May 12 19:26:44 <Dougie187> its freaking sweet
May 12 19:26:48 <Dougie187> and would be really fun with a lot of people
May 12 19:26:54 <michaelnovakjr__> sounds like a fun game
May 12 19:27:12 <Dougie187> ohh i just got an idea!
May 12 19:27:15 <Dougie187> how to make it more fun!
May 12 19:27:16 <Dougie187> heh
May 12 19:27:43 <Dougie187> we wanted a way so if you kill a robber they spawn in the jail.
May 12 19:27:51 <Dougie187> so ill make the non-zombies the cops.
May 12 19:27:56 <Dougie187> and then the zombies will be the robbers.
May 12 19:28:00 <michaelnovakjr__> nice
May 12 19:28:00 <Dougie187> so i will have to change stuff around
May 12 19:28:05 <Dougie187> and the cops will be invincible
May 12 19:28:09 <michaelnovakjr__> that sounds like a good idea
May 12 19:28:09 <Dougie187> and move fast.
May 12 19:28:18 <Dougie187> then if you kill a zombie they will just respawn
May 12 19:28:24 <Dougie187> because if you kill a person they turn into a zombie
May 12 19:28:51 <michaelnovakjr__> cool
May 12 19:28:52 <Dougie187> you've played infection before right?
May 12 19:28:58 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 12 19:29:01 <Dougie187> cool
May 12 19:31:46 <michaelnovakjr__> its good stuff
May 12 19:31:57 <michaelnovakjr__> put a few snipers in there :)
May 12 19:33:05 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:33:10 <Dougie187> no. that ruins it
May 12 19:33:17 <Dougie187> and theres no grenades.
May 12 19:33:21 <Dougie187> right now theres only shotguns
May 12 19:33:24 <michaelnovakjr__> haha, oh thats good
May 12 19:33:24 <Dougie187> and the cops have a grav hammer
May 12 19:33:29 <Dougie187> so they can get out of jail
May 12 19:33:33 <michaelnovakjr__> that sounds god
May 12 19:33:34 <michaelnovakjr__> good
May 12 19:33:41 <Dougie187> its freaking cool though
May 12 19:33:42 <michaelnovakjr__> i like shotty's too
May 12 19:33:45 <Dougie187> im really happy with the map
May 12 19:33:51 <Dougie187> and the robbers do like no damage
May 12 19:33:55 <Dougie187> but the cops dont have radars.
May 12 19:33:58 <michaelnovakjr__> sweet, which one is it based on?
May 12 19:34:00 <Dougie187> and they are semi-invisible
May 12 19:34:02 <Dougie187> foundry
May 12 19:34:13 <michaelnovakjr__> coool
May 12 19:34:20 <Dougie187> its like a giant maze
May 12 19:35:27 <michaelnovakjr__> swee
May 12 19:35:28 <michaelnovakjr__> t
May 12 19:35:47 <Dougie187> its really cool
May 12 19:35:57 <Dougie187> i made this other map for CTF
May 12 19:36:04 <Dougie187> oh you played that one
May 12 19:36:08 <Dougie187> its harder then hell to win.
May 12 19:36:09 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:36:23 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 12 19:36:27 <michaelnovakjr__> that was a hard one
May 12 19:36:35 <Dougie187> i like that map too
May 12 19:37:25 <michaelnovakjr__> me too
May 12 19:39:14 <Dougie187> man i wanna go home now
May 12 19:39:16 <Dougie187> and fix up that map
May 12 19:39:16 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:39:21 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 12 19:42:15 <Dougie187> its gonna be so cool
May 12 19:42:15 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:42:31 <michaelnovakjr__> i am excited to play it
May 12 19:42:38 <Dougie187> the only way the cop can die is if he gets assassinated.
May 12 19:42:47 <Dougie187> then the game would be over.
May 12 19:42:50 <Dougie187> i hope my new idea works.
May 12 19:42:52 <michaelnovakjr__> nice
May 12 19:42:57 <Dougie187> i dont know what the max number of zombies you can make is
May 12 19:45:24 <Dougie187> i think its going to have to be 50-50
May 12 19:45:27 <Dougie187> for cops and robbers
May 12 19:45:38 <michaelnovakjr__> not less cops?
May 12 19:45:42 <Dougie187> i cant.
May 12 19:46:02 <Dougie187> for zombies you can only have it start with 25%, 50%, or 1-15
May 12 19:46:07 <Dougie187> and the zombies are the robbers
May 12 19:46:19 <Dougie187> but if you kill a cop they will turn into a zombie
May 12 19:46:24 <Dougie187> which i guess is a plus
May 12 19:46:39 * jasta pops in at a weird time
May 12 19:46:51 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 12 19:46:53 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:47:17 <Dougie187> jasta you should go get an xbox 360 and halo 3 so you can play cops and robbers with us
May 12 19:47:42 <Dougie187> its gonna be fun!
May 12 19:48:12 <jasta> i cant stand halo
May 12 19:48:14 <zhobbs`> heh, I haven't fired up halo 3 in a while...haven't heard of that
May 12 19:48:15 <jasta> and i dont own an xbox
May 12 19:48:25 <Dougie187> heh
May 12 19:48:27 <Dougie187> im making it
May 12 19:48:29 <Dougie187> i made a map for it
May 12 19:48:33 <Dougie187> and im making a gametype for it
May 12 19:48:43 <Dougie187> its gonna be freaking awesome
May 12 19:49:05 <zhobbs`> that's cool
May 12 19:49:26 <Dougie187> maybe when we play you can come join us.
May 12 19:49:29 <Dougie187> whats your gamertag?
May 12 19:50:17 <Dougie187> mines Dougie2187
May 12 19:50:22 <Dougie187> some d-bag took Dougie187
May 12 19:50:30 <zhobbs`> chronic6k I think
May 12 19:50:48 <michaelnovakjr__> iamPrisonMike
May 12 19:50:51 <zhobbs`> I suck though
May 12 19:51:00 <jasta> lol
May 12 19:51:04 <jasta> prison mike, nice
May 12 19:51:08 <michaelnovakjr__> zhobbs` is that because you play cod4
May 12 19:51:17 <Dougie187> you dont have to be good to win cops and robbers
May 12 19:51:19 <michaelnovakjr__> jasta, haha.... one of my favorite episodes
May 12 19:51:28 <Dougie187> its like tag, with shotguns
May 12 19:51:34 <zhobbs`> michaelnovakjr__: cod 4 is awesome, I suck at that too though
May 12 19:51:46 <michaelnovakjr__> i constantly play cod4
May 12 19:52:00 * jasta is so fucking excited for StarCraft II
May 12 19:52:05 <Dougie187> ive been playing halo a lot recently because i like to make maps now.
May 12 19:52:09 <Dougie187> Yeah SC2 is gonna rock
May 12 19:52:17 <Dougie187> i wish they would make it for linux though
May 12 19:52:28 * zhobbs` will need a PC upgrade to play any new PC game
May 12 19:52:30 <michaelnovakjr__> try and Wine it
May 12 19:52:40 <Dougie187> i will when it comes out
May 12 19:52:47 <Dougie187> if not i will have to devote a windows partition to it
May 12 19:53:10 <jasta> i love that SC2 has the carrier
May 12 19:53:13 <jasta> i thought for sure theyd remove it
May 12 19:53:19 <jasta> that is the most bad-ass unit ever ;)
May 12 19:53:32 <Dougie187> heh yeah
May 12 19:53:38 <Dougie187> and the mother ship looks freaking awesome.
May 12 19:53:40 <zhobbs`> I was really into C&C3 for like 3 weeks when if first came out
May 12 19:53:58 <zhobbs`> that's how I am...I get really into a game for a month and then never play it again
May 12 19:54:32 <Dougie187> zhobbs`:  i just added you to my friends list
May 12 19:54:35 <jasta> i'm glad they removed the "hero" concept from SC2.
May 12 19:54:42 <jasta> WarCraft III was so stupid because of that
May 12 19:54:44 <Dougie187> lol
May 12 19:54:48 <Dougie187> i liked wc3 for that.
May 12 19:54:51 <Dougie187> but its ok without it too
May 12 19:54:53 <jasta> no way, totally lame
May 12 19:55:05 <Dougie187> wc3 wasnt very good without it.
May 12 19:55:08 <Dougie187> you cant play dota.
May 12 19:55:08 <zhobbs`> Dougie187: ok...I just moved and am trying to get the home theater setup for internet...so I'm offline right now
May 12 19:55:12 <jasta> thats because wc3 wasnt very good
May 12 19:55:16 <Dougie187> thats fine.
May 12 19:55:17 <Dougie187> so am i
May 12 19:55:24 <Dougie187> i just did it on live.xbox.com
May 12 19:55:25 <zhobbs`> bought a cheap router and need to put dd-wrt on it to use as a bridge
May 12 19:55:33 <jasta> boo dd-wrt
May 12 19:55:33 <Dougie187> heh
May 12 19:55:36 <jasta> openwrt is the way to go
May 12 19:55:49 <zhobbs`> oh yeah?  I just hear more about dd-wrt
May 12 19:55:55 <jasta> boo ;)
May 12 19:55:58 <zhobbs`> I'll have to take a look at openwrt
May 12 19:56:08 <jasta> the only sucky thing about openwrt is that they removed the web GUI
May 12 19:56:19 <jasta> though it does make sense.  the web gui is stupid, and takes up tons of space on the device
May 12 19:56:19 <zhobbs`> heh, I'll stick with dd-wrt :)
May 12 19:56:30 <jasta> they replaced it with a very simple /etc/config structure
May 12 19:56:38 <michaelnovakjr__> :)
May 12 19:56:45 <michaelnovakjr__> i like that idea :)
May 12 19:56:58 <Dougie187> thats pretty cool
May 12 19:57:03 <Dougie187> i have never used either
May 12 19:57:06 <jasta> yeah, the configuration is very nice and easy, actually.  they pre-process all your /etc/config stuff into actual configuration for the device
May 12 19:57:10 <Dougie187> i always just use linksys' default thing
May 12 19:57:24 <jasta> so the /etc/config set up is very simple, there's even a simple qos config file in there
May 12 19:57:51 <jasta> i love openwrt.  i put shorewall on it, and have a full-featured, advanced linux firewall
May 12 19:58:14 <jasta> i'm hoping to setup multi-ISP support soon.  gonna use both DSL and Cable together
May 12 19:58:21 <jasta> BitTorrent will be unreal ;)
May 12 19:58:30 <michaelnovakjr__> i have dsl and cable
May 12 19:58:38 <michaelnovakjr__> just not together
May 12 19:58:39 <zhobbs`> nice
May 12 19:58:48 <jasta> also i want to do program the front button on the router to automatically convert one of the circuits to "gaming only"
May 12 19:59:07 <michaelnovakjr__> good idea.... that way it kills other traffic
May 12 19:59:09 <jasta> so it'll dedicate all gaming traffic to dsl, and all other traffic to cable
May 12 19:59:14 <michaelnovakjr__> reduces the stupid lag
May 12 19:59:41 <jasta> it's easy to do too, you just need to restart shorewall and simulate RST on all the existing connections
May 12 20:01:02 <zhobbs`> anyone use TorrentFlux?
May 12 20:01:12 <Dougie187> nope.
May 12 20:01:34 <zhobbs`> I put that on my fileserver and I love it...don't have to have BT eating CPU on my desktop
May 12 20:02:27 <jasta> i used to bittorret on my fileserver, but it was terrible on performance
May 12 20:02:35 <jasta> bittorrent atop a software RAID5 is BAAADDD :)
May 12 20:03:15 <jasta> my desktop has three internal HDDs, one for linux, one for vmware/windows, and one as a large tmp data drive.  torrenting under that set up works great.
May 12 20:11:54 <Dougie187> k im out guys
May 12 20:11:56 <Dougie187> see ya later
May 12 20:24:13 <jasta> romainguy_: do you know if a GUI builder is coming to Android at some point?
May 12 20:24:17 <jasta> just a wrapper aorund the XML files?
May 12 20:25:34 <jasta> also, have you considered adding a spacing layout attribute that simply sets packed components a certain distance apart without using padding on those individual widgets
May 12 20:25:49 <romainguy_> it's called the margin on linearlayout
May 12 20:25:59 <jasta> like if you had a horizontal linear layout with a few buttons, it would be nice to be able to set margin or padding on the linearlayout, then spacing for each of the buttons.
May 12 20:26:17 <jasta> i thought margin was spacing for the widget it is being specified on?
May 12 20:26:39 <romainguy_> ah I see what you mean
May 12 20:26:52 <jasta> I mean a way to space all of the children without specifygin margin or padding on each of them
May 12 20:27:45 <romainguy_> we never met a case where we would need such a feature, so no
May 12 20:28:08 <jasta> really?  i have ran into it on nearly every layout i've created
May 12 20:28:59 <jasta> it's never a requirement since you could always accomplish the effect another way, but it is IMO an important nicety
May 12 20:29:16 <romainguy_> it is a nicety
May 12 20:29:23 <romainguy_> but I wouldn't qualify it as important
May 12 20:30:34 <jasta> what about a nicety to specify padding/margin trbl with a single attribute?
May 12 20:30:39 <jasta> like CSS has
May 12 20:31:12 <jerkface03> counterstrike source
May 12 21:19:28 <romainguy> youc an specify padding as a single attribute already
May 12 21:19:37 <romainguy> and margin too since recently
May 12 21:32:44 <jasta> really?
May 12 21:32:51 <jasta> how?
May 12 21:33:07 <jasta> Oh, I meant different padding for each of top, right, bottom, and left.
May 12 21:33:33 <jasta> as in android:padding="10dip 4dip 10dip 4dip", or even android:padding="10dip 4dip"
May 12 21:33:44 <romainguy> ah
May 12 21:33:45 <romainguy> no :)
May 12 21:33:59 <jasta> i realize that may not work well with your current generalizations, but that is also an important nicety :)
May 12 21:34:22 <romainguy> It is also very confusing
May 12 21:34:34 <romainguy> Nothing tells you what the numbers are
May 12 21:34:49 <romainguy> I personally never remember the order :)
May 12 21:34:52 <jasta> except that you know it's trbl, like many other tools use.
May 12 21:34:57 <zhobbs> romainguy: I forget the order too
May 12 21:35:12 <romainguy> jasta, except that Android uses l, t, r, b
May 12 21:35:22 <jasta> where do you use that?
May 12 21:35:23 <romainguy> and Swing for instance uses t, l, b, r
May 12 21:35:30 <romainguy> method parameters for instance
May 12 21:35:37 <romainguy> for padding, layout, etc.
May 12 21:36:05 <jasta> trbl has the best mnemonic, though.  it ordres like a clock from the top.
May 12 21:36:07 <jasta> orders*
May 12 21:37:01 <jasta> you also dodged my question about a GUI builder.
May 12 21:37:02 <jasta> ;)
May 12 21:37:21 <romainguy> but it doesn't make sense when you think about the geometry of views...
May 12 21:37:24 <jasta> i'm beginning to reverse my hastey conclusion that GUI builders are broken and wrong
May 12 21:37:48 <jasta> hasty too
May 12 21:40:05 <zhobbs> DroidDraw
May 12 21:40:49 <jasta> i would much prefer a tool that integrates with the other build tools better
May 12 21:41:45 <zhobbs> jasta: there's a tool to do live previews on the emulator from DroidDraw...still not the same, but maybe useful
May 12 21:43:01 <zhobbs> DroidDraw is GPL...I haven't really used it though
May 12 21:43:09 <zhobbs> I'm find with hand coding the xml...
May 12 21:43:13 <zhobbs> fine*
May 12 21:44:28 <romainguy> the problem with DroidDraw is that it has to recreate our layout behaviors
May 12 21:47:07 <f00f-> droiddraw is utter garbage
May 12 21:47:14 <f00f-> we started with that, but best to do everything by hand
May 12 21:49:03 <zhobbs> I wonder if any dev tools made top 50
May 12 21:49:07 <zhobbs> probably not
May 12 21:49:23 <f00f-> there should have been a per category priz
May 12 21:57:00 <jasta> there basically was...
May 12 21:57:26 <zhobbs> that reminds me...where's the list
May 12 22:43:08 <jasta> zhobbs: did you really think it would happen today? :)
May 12 22:43:58 <duey> has it not happened
May 12 22:44:09 <jasta> of course not :)
May 12 22:44:15 <duey> lolol
May 12 22:44:24 <duey> maybe to many people didnt say yes in the spreadsheet
May 12 22:44:28 <jasta> and then, the next date that google throws out, just add a few days to it
May 12 22:44:31 <jasta> and then we'll know.
May 12 22:44:54 <f00f-> heh
May 12 22:44:57 <f00f-> deadline was 9am today
May 12 22:54:23 <zhobbs> morrill is probably so beat up from the results friday and the email beatings he probably took all weekend
May 12 23:12:11 <duey> zhobbs, i steal think they are boozing on the job
May 12 23:12:14 <duey> still*
May 12 23:13:01 <f00f-> google has more happy hours and beerfests than any other company in the valley
May 12 23:13:08 <f00f-> every friday is a beerbong session
May 12 23:14:16 <zhobbs> wtf, why don't I work there?!?
May 12 23:14:53 <f00f-> cause you would ruin the company with your bartending skills
May 12 23:15:14 <zhobbs> hah
May 12 23:26:33 <jasta> i have a two story beer bong at my house that wraps around the stairs
May 12 23:27:25 <f00f-> oh the pressure
May 13 02:15:47 <jasta> hmm, i think it's time to update the Maven build environment so that it actually works
May 13 02:37:26 <jasta> well, that was easy
May 13 02:37:46 <michaelnovakjr> hey what's up
May 13 02:40:39 <jasta> not much, just prepping my project for source rlease
May 13 02:40:40 <jasta> release*
May 13 02:40:46 <jasta> making it build and stuff like that
May 13 02:42:00 <michaelnovakjr> nice
May 13 02:43:02 <michaelnovakjr> i was setting up my work environment on my office machine.... subversion local copy is stored on a remote fs.... configuring it to mount on boot up killed my computer
May 13 02:43:16 <michaelnovakjr> luckily copying a few files from the live CD cured that
May 13 02:55:10 <jasta> hmm
May 13 02:55:18 <jasta> how the hell do you install a .desktop file into the GNOME menu?
May 13 02:55:34 <jasta> i thought i just have make install drop it in $(datadir)/applications and it's good?
May 13 02:55:57 <michaelnovakjr> should be
May 13 02:56:13 <jasta> and it automatically figures it out?
May 13 02:56:16 <jasta> hmm, something is strange here
May 13 02:56:32 <michaelnovakjr> you should be able to run the .desktop file
May 13 02:56:37 <jasta> to run it?
May 13 02:57:08 <michaelnovakjr> yea
May 13 02:58:58 <jasta> i don't get it
May 13 02:59:33 <jasta> all the other .desktop files in there seem to work just fine
May 13 02:59:38 <jasta> i can edit them and the edits are reflected
May 13 02:59:40 <jasta> but mine doesn't show up
May 13 02:59:54 <michaelnovakjr> where are you putting it?
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