**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 28 02:59:57 2008
May 28 06:45:31 <jasta> so lame
May 28 06:45:41 <jasta> this crap hotel charges $12.75/day for internet
May 28 06:45:48 <jasta> and it's only ~800kbit up and down
May 28 06:52:37 <duey> jasta, thats pretty fail
May 28 06:53:18 <duey> no annoucements
May 28 08:24:25 <tobe002> hi guys
May 28 08:25:26 <tobe002> a question has anyone use the Android  SDK in ubuntu...
May 28 13:33:43 <Dougie187> still no announcement.
May 28 13:33:45 <Dougie187> :(
May 28 13:34:11 <michaelnovakjr__> fsck them
May 28 13:34:24 <Dougie187> And I/O starts today.
May 28 13:34:36 <Dougie187> so i doubt there will be an announcement until friday at the earliest now.
May 28 13:34:42 <michaelnovakjr__> yea
May 28 13:34:51 <Dougie187> though Dan will probably be held hostage by Jasta until the announcement gets made.
May 28 13:35:06 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
May 28 13:36:09 <Dougie187> I wonder if I/O is going to be cool.
May 28 13:36:16 <Dougie187> Do they have one every year? or is this the first?
May 28 13:36:35 <michaelnovakjr__> i can't remembe
May 28 13:36:46 <michaelnovakjr__> if it is cool, i'll probably go next year
May 28 13:38:55 <Dougie187> i bet Dan will get maimed by questions durring his sessions
May 28 15:05:33 <umdk1d3> rawr
May 28 15:05:41 <umdk1d3> im in line at googleio
May 28 15:05:46 <umdk1d3> anyhone else here
May 28 15:08:49 <raboof> did this 'big announcement' everyone was talking about lately come yet?
May 28 15:08:59 <michaelnovakjr__> no
May 28 15:19:34 <umdk1d3> rawr long lines
May 28 15:19:43 <umdk1d3> looooong lines are looooong
May 28 15:53:42 * cutmasta is away (away)
May 28 15:53:47 <umdk1d3> kk
May 28 15:53:54 <umdk1d3> eating breakfadt
May 28 15:54:01 <umdk1d3> yumm coffee
May 28 15:54:12 <umdk1d3> hey ill be on this during the keynote
May 28 15:54:17 <umdk1d3> in about an hour
May 28 15:54:24 <umdk1d3> ill keep all ya'l updated
May 28 15:54:30 <umdk1d3> on teh new annoincwement
May 28 15:54:35 <Dougie187> ok
May 28 15:54:39 <umdk1d3> stpuid kebordf lol-
May 28 15:54:53 <michaelnovakjr__> if they have a new announcment
May 28 15:55:05 <umdk1d3> they migght
May 28 15:55:10 <umdk1d3> hgave az handset
May 28 15:55:14 <umdk1d3> :D
May 28 15:55:49 <Dougie187> id be more interested in the SDK announcement. personally
May 28 15:56:05 <inZane-_> hey guys
May 28 15:56:16 <Dougie187> hi
May 28 15:56:36 <inZane-_> is it possible that the layout params get lost when inflating from an xml file?
May 28 15:56:47 <Dougie187> im not the guy to ask.
May 28 15:57:10 <inZane-_> hehe ok
May 28 15:57:14 <michaelnovakjr__> they aren't going to have a handset
May 28 15:57:21 <michaelnovakjr__> they can't even get a good sdk out!
May 28 15:57:21 <inZane-_> LinearLayout container = (LinearLayout) vi.inflate(R.layout.message_view, null, null);
May 28 15:57:25 <inZane-_> addView(container);
May 28 15:57:41 <inZane-_> i always get an exception
May 28 15:57:54 <inZane-_> "Child must already have layout params set"
May 28 15:58:47 <inZane-_> there are definitely layout params for every view int he xml file
May 28 15:59:15 <inZane-_> addView(container, new LayoutParams(LayoutParams.FILL_PARENT, LayoutParams.WRAP_CONTENT)); works fine
May 28 15:59:40 <inZane-_> well, addView(container); should also work fine since there are layout params in teh xml
May 28 16:07:20 <umdk1d3> rawr
May 28 16:07:29 <umdk1d3> in teh main hall
May 28 16:07:35 <umdk1d3> second row  :D
May 28 16:16:55 <umdk1d3> rawr
May 28 16:22:22 <jasta> lame....
May 28 16:22:32 <Dougie187> ?
May 28 16:22:40 <jasta> had to waste a bunch of time this morning getting a charger for my phone
May 28 16:22:45 <jasta> so i missed breakfast ;)
May 28 16:23:09 <Dougie187> bust
May 28 16:24:18 <umdk1d3> interenet is dewad
May 28 16:24:21 <umdk1d3> toomany pp'l
May 28 16:24:37 <jasta> umdk1d3: what time does the keynote start?
May 28 16:24:46 <jasta> i'm in my hotel waiting for my phone to get a decent charge
May 28 16:25:12 <Dougie187> probably 9:30
May 28 16:25:23 <jasta> probably, thats when registration and breakfast ends
May 28 16:25:31 <Dougie187> when are Dans sessions?
May 28 16:25:38 <jasta> dunno, but i will probably skip them
May 28 16:25:46 <jasta> i plan to skip all the introductory android sessions in favor of other topics
May 28 16:25:52 <Dougie187> your not going to go harrass him?
May 28 16:25:58 <jasta> oh i will harrass him
May 28 16:26:01 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 16:26:02 <jasta> just not while he's presenting ;)
May 28 16:27:59 <jasta> i am so incredibly close to the convention center, i could be there in like 2 minutes i think
May 28 16:28:57 <jasta> btw, the address numbers in this city make no sense :)
May 28 16:28:58 <Dougie187> hopefully otherwise you will probably miss the keynote
May 28 16:29:13 <jasta> 747 Howard St. is between 4th and 5th st.
May 28 16:29:19 <jasta> Dougie187: the keynote is like an hour and a half long
May 28 16:29:32 <jasta> umdk1d3: hey, are there power outlets all over?
May 28 16:30:02 <jasta> i desperately need my phone to be charged :)
May 28 16:30:24 <jasta> hmm, i'm not sure if i want to bring my laptop or not
May 28 16:30:32 <jasta> kinda don't feel like lugging it all around
May 28 16:32:00 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 16:32:40 <umdk1d3> thnere iis ppower yeaz
May 28 16:32:45 <umdk1d3> net is dead tho
May 28 16:33:31 <jasta> alright, my phone's got enough juice now, i'm taking off
May 28 16:33:41 <Dougie187> see ya
May 28 16:39:40 <umdk1d3> yay ssh is kinda working
May 28 16:40:20 <umdk1d3> kindalol
May 28 16:40:20 <umdk1d3> kindromainguy you at io
May 28 16:40:59 <romainguy> nope
May 28 16:41:03 <romainguy> I'm in France :)
May 28 16:41:10 <umdk1d3> aww net here sucks lol
May 28 16:41:35 <umdk1d3> i type and it comes thru like 5mins laterlol-
May 28 16:42:03 <umdk1d3> were measuring bandewidth in bytes per seclol
May 28 16:46:48 <umdk1d3> ooh its starting
May 28 16:48:00 <umdk1d3> rawr kkeynote
May 28 16:48:08 <umdk1d3> the place is packed
May 28 16:48:22 <umdk1d3> pl'l standing ikn back
May 28 16:51:24 <umdk1d3> haha
May 28 16:51:32 <umdk1d3> pcjj is sitting next to me
May 28 16:53:35 <pcjjman> Salutations um
May 28 16:54:12 <umdk1d3> keynote is focusong on app engine so far
May 28 17:01:28 <pawalls-io> jasta, ping
May 28 17:03:58 <Dougie187> hes at io
May 28 17:04:01 <Dougie187> and didnt take his comp
May 28 17:04:22 <pawalls-io> Heh.
May 28 17:04:44 <pawalls-io> He gave me his # yesterday but I was on IRC from my laptop and didn't add it to my phone :)
May 28 17:05:03 <umdk1d3> lol
May 28 17:05:11 <umdk1d3> they are demoing myspace
May 28 17:05:22 <umdk1d3> :/
May 28 17:07:28 <umdk1d3> ooh android is next up
May 28 17:07:29 <pcjjman> Yay, myspace is done.
May 28 17:08:57 <umdk1d3> yay android iiks next
May 28 17:09:29 <umdk1d3> hes setting up and justifying android
May 28 17:09:46 <AttractiveApe> At the conference?
May 28 17:09:52 <umdk1d3> yea
May 28 17:10:57 <umdk1d3> ooh android demo
May 28 17:11:11 <AttractiveApe> show :(
May 28 17:11:27 <umdk1d3> lol pcjj nwill take pix
May 28 17:11:40 <AttractiveApe> I have a test build that I can run on my phone -- pretty cool
May 28 17:12:29 <umdk1d3> public sdk based?
May 28 17:12:48 <pcjjman> It's actually on a real Android device.
May 28 17:12:48 <umdk1d3> demo
May 28 17:13:20 <umdk1d3> ooooohh new sdk
May 28 17:13:23 <umdk1d3> yay
May 28 17:13:29 <umdk1d3> it looks very sexy
May 28 17:15:00 <umdk1d3> VERRY sexy
May 28 17:15:18 <umdk1d3> will post pix in a few mins
May 28 17:15:52 <umdk1d3> grand prix is google mobile web emgoine
May 28 17:15:58 <umdk1d3> named grand prix
May 28 17:16:05 <umdk1d3> ointernal name prolly
May 28 17:17:13 <umdk1d3> hes syowong a 3g connectedd phone
May 28 17:17:36 <umdk1d3> ooh talking about ev challwnge
May 28 17:18:26 <umdk1d3> they have compass
May 28 17:18:28 <umdk1d3> in phone
May 28 17:18:36 <umdk1d3> for streetview
May 28 17:18:40 <umdk1d3> compasssss
May 28 17:19:26 <pcjjman> As you turn the phone Street View rotates as well.
May 28 17:20:07 <umdk1d3> spix  being uplolazededc as we spoeak
May 28 17:20:37 <ligi> umdk1d3: url?
May 28 17:20:43 <ligi> *wannasee*
May 28 17:21:33 <AttractiveApe> ah, neat
May 28 17:21:39 <AttractiveApe> yes, public sdk based.
May 28 17:21:57 <AttractiveApe> works too, can make calls and surf the web on it, google maps, etc.
May 28 17:22:01 <umdk1d3> comoong soon
May 28 17:22:09 <umdk1d3> uploading tol flickr rite nhopw
May 28 17:25:10 <pcjjman> Pictures uploading....
May 28 17:25:20 <umdk1d3> stupid flivckr lol
May 28 17:29:04 <romainguy> how's the keynote?
May 28 17:29:29 <pcjjman> http://picasaweb.google.com/pcjjman/GoogleIO2008KeynoteAndroidPhotos
May 28 17:29:31 <umdk1d3> its oaky
May 28 17:29:35 <umdk1d3> yyyyyaaaaaayayyy
May 28 17:29:41 <umdk1d3> pholtoz of ne ap'ik
May 28 17:29:47 <umdk1d3> at link;a above
May 28 17:29:54 <umdk1d3> hit it yallll lol
May 28 17:29:59 <romainguy> ha sweet
May 28 17:30:02 <romainguy> they showed the new Home screen
May 28 17:30:26 <AttractiveApe> hmmm
May 28 17:30:30 <AttractiveApe> what phone are they using?
May 28 17:30:37 <umdk1d3> someonw should set topic oll
May 28 17:30:48 * romainguy has been working hard on the new Home screen :)
May 28 17:31:03 <pcjjman> Nice job romain.
May 28 17:31:09 <umdk1d3> ooh romain bloox good  ;)
May 28 17:31:28 <umdk1d3> someohne needz to blog these pisx
May 28 17:47:13 <umdk1d3> meh
May 28 17:47:34 <umdk1d3> rest has talked about appengine and web tool-kit now
May 28 17:49:49 <umdk1d3> runniong  low on coffee
May 28 17:56:35 <umdk1d3> talking about open slocia-
May 28 17:56:51 <umdk1d3> opensocial
May 28 17:58:48 <umdk1d3> so  i asuume jasta will be in teh android sessins
May 28 17:59:35 <Dougie187> no
May 28 17:59:41 <Dougie187> he said he was going to skip them for other sessions
May 28 17:59:48 <umdk1d3> ahh
May 28 18:00:03 <umdk1d3> yea im hitting most of the aapp engiuine ones today
May 28 18:00:20 <umdk1d3> net works okay now djuroing keynote
May 28 18:00:28 <umdk1d3> but it was horrid earlierr
May 28 18:00:37 <umdk1d3> definete ujnusable
May 28 18:00:38 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 18:01:04 <umdk1d3> idk wat jasta l-ooks like tho lol
May 28 18:01:15 <Dougie187> im looking for a pic
May 28 18:01:17 <Dougie187> so you can see
May 28 18:01:22 <umdk1d3> ooh thx
May 28 18:01:24 <Dougie187> but you can hear his voice on his Five video
May 28 18:01:36 <Dougie187> it might be on last.fm
May 28 18:01:39 <Dougie187> if you can find his account
May 28 18:01:53 <umdk1d3> a pic would be awsome as net is slown here still
May 28 18:02:34 <Dougie187> http://www.last.fm/user/jasta/
May 28 18:02:36 <umdk1d3> also be sure to sprread that picasa pix from earlier
May 28 18:02:42 <umdk1d3> blogemw or wsomethin
May 28 18:03:01 <Dougie187> thats him
May 28 18:03:51 <Dougie187> i sent those pics to engadget
May 28 18:05:02 <umdk1d3> awesome
May 28 18:05:07 <Dougie187> Hey umdk1d3 was that phone the HTC dream?
May 28 18:05:19 <umdk1d3> idk he kept it very zoomed close
May 28 18:05:24 <umdk1d3> coulds nsee it
May 28 18:05:32 <Dougie187> ok
May 28 18:05:38 <Dougie187> and your in the second row right?
May 28 18:05:46 <Dougie187> because i just read this.
May 28 18:05:48 <Dougie187> http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/
May 28 18:05:49 <umdk1d3> yea on left
May 28 18:07:22 <umdk1d3> doug thanx for sxending
May 28 18:07:27 <Dougie187> np
May 28 18:07:34 <umdk1d3> hopeful-ly they up it fast
May 28 18:07:39 <Dougie187> yeah i know
May 28 18:07:46 <Dougie187> they will put a video up which will be cool
May 28 18:08:24 <umdk1d3> they kept iit well guarded tho
May 28 18:08:28 <umdk1d3> so couldnt see much
May 28 18:08:34 <Dougie187> true
May 28 18:08:42 <Dougie187> i dont know how they could know its the dream.
May 28 18:08:52 <umdk1d3> yea lol
May 28 18:12:23 <Dougie187> http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/
May 28 18:12:24 <Dougie187> video
May 28 18:13:17 <Dougie187> its mainly just the compass
May 28 18:13:56 <umdk1d3> yay
May 28 18:14:41 <Dougie187> i dont see how they know its the dream.
May 28 18:20:24 <umdk1d3> yay ssh still worx
May 28 18:20:52 <umdk1d3> im in android sessn
May 28 18:20:54 <Dougie187> nice
May 28 18:20:58 <Dougie187> lemme know what its about
May 28 18:20:59 <umdk1d3> will  try rgabbing pix
May 28 18:21:01 <Dougie187> k
May 28 18:21:14 <umdk1d3> idk if they will have more sdk stuff
May 28 18:21:20 <umdk1d3> newer opix that is
May 28 18:21:21 <Dougie187> hopefully they will.
May 28 18:21:44 <umdk1d3> me chex camera
May 28 18:23:34 <umdk1d3> bah my nokia is refusing to take pix
May 28 18:23:49 <Dougie187> maybe you should snag one of those dreams
May 28 18:23:49 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 18:24:56 <pcjjman> umd, let me know if anything exciting happens in the Android session
May 28 18:25:12 <Dougie187> what session are you in pcjjman?
May 28 18:25:18 <pcjjman> Python
May 28 18:25:24 <Dougie187> cool
May 28 18:25:47 <pcjjman> Are you at IO Dougie?
May 28 18:25:52 <Dougie187> nope :(
May 28 18:26:00 <Dougie187> just following all the cool stuff from it.
May 28 18:26:14 <Dougie187> do you guys know if this is their first I/O?
May 28 18:26:18 <Dougie187> or did they have one last year too?
May 28 18:26:25 <pcjjman> They had a Developer's Conference.
May 28 18:26:32 <pcjjman> Same sort of shindig, different name.
May 28 18:26:34 <Dougie187> oh ok
May 28 18:26:50 <umdk1d3> oh haha
May 28 18:27:06 <umdk1d3> ell jason jsut said that they wolnt do any new sdk stufvfv
May 28 18:27:12 <umdk1d3> in thnis session at least
May 28 18:27:20 <Dougie187> bust
May 28 18:27:21 <umdk1d3> pcjj yhow life
May 28 18:27:25 <pcjjman> Did your session start already?
May 28 18:27:30 <umdk1d3> does wireless seem beeter
May 28 18:27:34 <umdk1d3> nopeno tyes
May 28 18:28:10 <pcjjman> Somewhat.
May 28 18:28:22 <pcjjman> Less laggy, still really bad bandwidth.
May 28 18:28:28 <umdk1d3> lol
May 28 18:28:40 <umdk1d3> they might upgrade somewhat fr tomorrow
May 28 18:28:42 <pcjjman> I can actually see the first couple letters in my message before I send it.
May 28 18:28:45 <pawalls-io> umdk1d3, did you post those pictures from the keynote? :)
May 28 18:28:47 <pcjjman> Hopefully.
May 28 18:28:52 <umdk1d3> lol
May 28 18:28:58 <Dougie187> pawalls-io: http://picasaweb.google.com/pcjjman/GoogleIO2008KeynoteAndroidPhotos
May 28 18:29:08 <Dougie187> and http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/
May 28 18:29:13 <umdk1d3> ooh hney other ppl at iop
May 28 18:29:36 <umdk1d3> pawalls-io: you in a session
May 28 18:29:56 <Dougie187> pawalls-io you know what jasta looks like right?
May 28 18:30:14 <volmarias> angry
May 28 18:30:17 <volmarias> the answer is angry
May 28 18:30:24 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 18:30:30 <Dougie187> depends what hes doing and where he is
May 28 18:30:34 <Dougie187> if hes drunk. i doubt it
May 28 18:30:54 <umdk1d3> angry loll
May 28 18:31:09 <Dougie187> if hes at an android session, most likely.
May 28 18:31:22 <umdk1d3> android session is packed
May 28 18:31:59 <pcjjman> Python is as well.
May 28 18:32:06 <pcjjman> We have people lined up along the walls.
May 28 18:32:08 <umdk1d3> hehe pcjj
May 28 18:32:23 <umdk1d3> pcjj its not that bad here
May 28 18:32:41 <pcjjman> AC is the most scarce thing here.
May 28 18:32:59 <umdk1d3> haha
May 28 18:33:05 <umdk1d3> imglad i has phone
May 28 18:33:09 <pawalls-io> pcjjman, welcome to california
May 28 18:33:12 <Dougie187> i bet jasta is in the python one
May 28 18:33:33 <pawalls-io> Dougie187, he gave me a ring.. he was on the way to the android one.
May 28 18:33:41 <Dougie187> ohhh
May 28 18:33:44 <pawalls-io> However, now I'm crunched into a row and there is no escape! ;-)
May 28 18:33:44 <Dougie187> he went?
May 28 18:33:55 <Dougie187> he said he wasnt going to go to the android ones.
May 28 18:34:04 <Dougie187> that liar.
May 28 18:34:04 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 18:34:47 <pawalls-io> Why else would he come?
May 28 18:34:48 <umdk1d3> haha
May 28 18:35:00 <umdk1d3> im in frontrow left of android sessn
May 28 18:35:02 <Dougie187> maybe he is insterested in the other stuff?
May 28 18:35:03 <Dougie187> heh
May 28 18:35:33 <pawalls-io> I never considered jasta as a big OpenSocial fan.
May 28 18:35:45 <Dougie187> yeah me either.
May 28 18:35:48 <umdk1d3> i should try finding him
May 28 18:35:52 <Dougie187> though i didnt know the other session was about OpenSocial
May 28 18:39:16 <umdk1d3> will jasta have irc at today
May 28 18:39:21 <Dougie187> no
May 28 18:39:24 <Dougie187> he didnt take his laptop with him
May 28 18:39:31 <Dougie187> its at his hotel
May 28 18:39:45 <umdk1d3> hmm ill try looxing for him
May 28 18:39:58 <umdk1d3> ooh
May 28 18:40:04 <umdk1d3> someone from io
May 28 18:40:19 <umdk1d3> dmofwhat sessn you in
May 28 18:41:50 <Dougie187> dmoffett are you at IO?
May 28 18:42:38 <umdk1d3> yea
May 28 18:42:45 <umdk1d3> he has stsn net connect
May 28 18:42:46 <dmoffett> umdk1d3: yes
May 28 18:42:59 <dmoffett> I am in the drinking dr pepper session
May 28 18:43:06 <umdk1d3> l-oooool
May 28 18:43:16 <dmoffett> going to the Guido seession next
May 28 18:43:21 <umdk1d3> ug net laaaaagy again
May 28 18:43:26 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 18:43:44 <umdk1d3> we irc ppl shouldmeetup
May 28 18:44:10 <dmoffett> any asshats out there?
May 28 18:44:26 <umdk1d3> o.o
May 28 18:44:39 <Dougie187> havent seen one in a while
May 28 18:45:17 <dmoffett> so I guess Jasta has been pretty quite.
May 28 18:45:20 <dmoffett> quiet
May 28 18:45:37 <Dougie187> he didnt take his laptop with him to IO.
May 28 18:45:42 <Dougie187> its at his hotel
May 28 18:45:56 <umdk1d3> we shlould go steal it lol
May 28 18:46:09 <dmoffett> I half expected him to jump up when they claimed Android was fully open source during the keynote
May 28 18:46:17 <umdk1d3> looool
May 28 18:46:40 <Dougie187> that would have been entertaining
May 28 18:46:40 <umdk1d3> we leaked sdk pix
May 28 18:46:50 <umdk1d3> from keynote
May 28 18:48:37 <pcjjman> The Python speaker is referencing Tufte
May 28 18:48:47 <umdk1d3> awesome ll
May 28 18:49:01 <umdk1d3> is it the guy who wrote python?
May 28 18:49:11 <pcjjman> I'm not sure.
May 28 18:49:12 <umdk1d3> did ya bring ur book today lol
May 28 18:49:18 <pcjjman> I didn't catch his name at the beginning.
May 28 18:49:25 <pcjjman> Phooey, I didn't.
May 28 18:49:37 <umdk1d3> aww
May 28 18:49:46 <umdk1d3> does he have german accent
May 28 18:49:58 <umdk1d3> thick
May 28 18:50:35 <dmoffett> Guido Van Rossum is the author of Python.
May 28 18:51:05 <dmoffett> I think he is Dutch?
May 28 18:51:11 <umdk1d3> ahh
May 28 18:54:16 <dmoffett> I would have worn my first annual python developer conference t-shirt but it would have shown my man boobs.
May 28 18:54:34 <umdk1d3> lol
May 28 18:55:00 <pcjjman> Yes he does.
May 28 18:55:15 <pcjjman> Have an German accent.  He presented last year at GDC as well...
May 28 18:59:21 <umdk1d3> ooh questions
May 28 19:00:03 <Dougie187> i bet jasta asks one
May 28 19:11:18 <umdk1d3-io> going to find lunch
May 28 19:14:06 <pcjjman-io> Where are you?
May 28 19:14:15 <pcjjman-io> umd
May 28 19:31:27 <umdk1d3-io> lol
May 28 19:31:42 <umdk1d3-io> pcjj im in sessn
May 28 19:38:46 <umdk1d3-io> kk in django sessn nolw
May 28 20:05:07 <umdk1d3-io> rawr
May 28 20:05:17 <umdk1d3-io> django sessn is sloooow
May 28 20:06:37 <umdk1d3-io> im gonna go hang out outside for awile
May 28 20:08:15 <pcjjman-io> That boring?
May 28 20:10:09 <umdk1d3-io> well
May 28 20:10:23 <umdk1d3-io> itsxs just stuff im not interested in
May 28 20:10:28 <umdk1d3-io> hwos ur sesn
May 28 20:10:49 <umdk1d3-io> hes goin over lolts of tedious details
May 28 20:11:11 <umdk1d3-io> ouch
May 28 20:11:26 <umdk1d3-io> appengine doesnt do fulltext search
May 28 20:13:11 <pcjjman-io> Not bad.  Really quick overview of python.
May 28 20:14:23 <umdk1d3-io> whichhone are you in
May 28 20:14:44 <pcjjman-io> Room 8
May 28 20:15:05 <umdk1d3-io> second half of python?
May 28 20:15:08 <pcjjman-io> Painless Python for Proficient Programmers Part I
May 28 20:15:10 <pcjjman-io> I
May 28 20:15:12 <pcjjman-io> Yep.
May 28 20:15:18 <umdk1d3-io> ahh yea
May 28 20:15:30 <pcjjman-io> What are you thinking for next session?
May 28 20:15:32 <umdk1d3-io> im gonna go fimnd a job lol
May 28 20:16:15 <pcjjman-io> for all jobs if salary > 100000 apply
May 28 20:16:28 <umdk1d3-io> lol maaaaybe
May 28 20:16:45 <umdk1d3-io> gotta doit in p'ython
May 28 20:16:56 <umdk1d3-io> using lambda fn  :P
May 28 20:17:12 <pcjjman-io> The intarweb is so much faster now.
May 28 20:17:20 <umdk1d3-io> agrred
May 28 20:17:34 <umdk1d3-io> i saw ppl running aroujd with cisco accesspts
May 28 20:17:53 <umdk1d3-io> we should snatchone lol
May 28 20:17:58 <pcjjman-io> If someone drops one pick it up.
May 28 20:17:59 <pcjjman-io> lol
May 28 20:18:17 <umdk1d3-io> so i didnt fiond jasta
May 28 20:18:27 <pcjjman-io> I'm thinking I'm going to hit the Android session next.
May 28 20:18:30 <umdk1d3-io> i thought i sawhim
May 28 20:18:39 <umdk1d3-io> mayyybe /me loox
May 28 20:18:41 <umdk1d3-io> brb
May 28 20:19:56 <umdk1d3-io> ouch my batt might notol make it thru day
May 28 20:20:07 <pcjjman-io> Propietary charger?
May 28 20:20:16 <umdk1d3-io> nah
May 28 20:20:19 <umdk1d3-io> nokia
May 28 20:20:20 <pcjjman-io> USB?
May 28 20:20:29 <umdk1d3-io> ohlol not that easy
May 28 20:23:39 <pcjjman-io> Wow, Python just got a lot cooler.  It's named after Monty Python....
May 28 20:24:35 <Dougie187> why?
May 28 20:25:10 <pcjjman-io> why what?
May 28 20:25:18 <Dougie187> why is it named after monty python
May 28 20:25:23 <pcjjman-io> He didn't specify why.
May 28 20:25:26 <Dougie187> oh
May 28 20:25:40 <Dougie187> thats an odd thing to name something after.
May 28 20:26:01 <pcjjman-io> from wiki: An important goal of the Python developers is making Python fun to use. This is reflected in the origin of the name (after the television series Monty Python's Flying Circus), in the common practice of using Monty Python references in example code, and in an occasionally playful approach to tutorials and reference materials.[60] For example, the metasyntactic variables often used in Python literature are spam and eggs, instea
May 28 20:27:42 <Dougie187> hmm
May 28 20:27:49 <Dougie187> interesting
May 28 20:41:32 <pcjjman-io> @jeff: Sean Campbell just tried to steal my laptop
May 28 20:42:56 <pcjjman-io> umd, grab any free swag in the middle area for me before it's gone
May 28 20:56:21 <plusminus_> omg, the new android-version from googleIO is sugar-sweet !!
May 28 20:56:35 <plusminus_> I wish I could have gone there
May 28 20:56:40 <plusminus_> :'(
May 28 21:01:56 <plusminus_> btw: http://www.anddev.org/impressive_preview_to_the_next_sdk_version_at_google_io-t2205.html
May 28 21:05:08 <Dougie187> it looks pretty sweet
May 28 21:05:12 <Dougie187> i wish i could play with it
May 28 21:05:12 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 21:14:24 <Dougie187> lol i also wish they would set a date for handset release
May 28 21:16:21 <plusminus_> 2nd half this year...
May 28 21:16:27 <Dougie187> i know
May 28 21:16:29 <Dougie187> i mean a date
May 28 21:16:35 <Dougie187> like August 28th
May 28 21:16:37 <Dougie187> or something like that
May 28 21:16:42 <plusminus_> probably New Years Eve ;)
May 28 21:16:46 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 21:17:39 <pcjjman-io> If they are thinking in terms of quarters, it could even be 09.
May 28 21:17:52 <pcjjman-io> *fiscal*
May 28 21:34:44 <Dougie187> ionno
May 28 21:34:56 <Dougie187> i would have thought they would add fiscal year in there.
May 28 21:36:26 <f00f-> who else is at google i/o today?
May 28 21:36:42 <Dougie187> jasta pawalls umdk1d3-io pcjjman-io
May 28 21:36:46 <Dougie187> dmoffet
May 28 21:36:55 <Dougie187> i think thats it.
May 28 21:36:57 <Dougie187> afiak
May 28 21:37:01 <Dougie187> afaik*
May 28 21:37:06 <f00f-> where are they
May 28 21:37:21 <Dougie187> pcjjman-io is on here.
May 28 21:37:22 <Dougie187> ask him
May 28 21:37:28 <Dougie187> jasta doesnt have his laptop
May 28 21:37:32 <f00f-> pcjjman-io
May 28 21:37:33 <Dougie187> pawalls is gone for now.
May 28 21:37:36 <f00f-> pcjjman-io: you there
May 28 21:37:46 <f00f-> do they know each other?
May 28 21:37:56 <f00f-> i'm at this android talk
May 28 21:38:02 <f00f-> nice technical details
May 28 21:38:10 <Dougie187> i know pcjjman-io and umdk1d3-io were sitting next to each other during the keynote
May 28 21:38:13 <f00f-> about the underlying details
May 28 21:38:16 <Dougie187> umdk1d3-io has been looking for jasta
May 28 21:38:26 <Dougie187> havent heard from jasta since this morning
May 28 21:38:29 <f00f-> hmm ok
May 28 21:38:35 <Dougie187> but i know he and pawalls were trading phone calls earlier
May 28 21:38:40 <Dougie187> both were at the last android session
May 28 21:38:57 <f00f-> ok well i'll be at the android fireside chat
May 28 21:39:10 <Dougie187> ill let them know if i see them
May 28 21:39:15 <f00f-> err
May 28 21:39:20 <Dougie187> do you know what jasta looks like?
May 28 21:39:40 <plusminus_> btw: just released a new version of AndNav!
May 28 21:40:06 <f00f-> yeah
May 28 21:40:11 <Dougie187> ok
May 28 21:40:15 <f00f-> i mean i can spoit him in a crowd
May 28 21:40:26 <f00f-> nice plusminus_ !
May 28 21:41:04 <f00f-> yeah i'll probably be in the google gears for mobile app talk
May 28 21:41:17 <f00f-> "underneath the covers at google" sounds cool too!
May 28 21:41:41 <Dougie187> it sounds like its pretty cool to be there
May 28 21:41:44 <plusminus_> Info on new Version: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=8493#8493
May 28 21:41:47 <Dougie187> theres dmoffett you can ask where he is
May 28 21:42:04 <pcjjman-io> Yo
May 28 21:42:08 <f00f-> hey
May 28 21:42:10 <f00f-> where you at
May 28 21:42:17 <f00f-> we need to have  ameetup of the irc folks
May 28 21:42:20 <pcjjman-io> I'm as well.  Where are you in the rom?
May 28 21:42:24 <f00f-> back
May 28 21:42:25 <dmoffett> Level 3 on the bean bags
May 28 21:42:33 <f00f-> oh yo're there?
May 28 21:42:39 <f00f-> which bean bag area?
May 28 21:42:41 <f00f-> i'll move there now
May 28 21:43:16 <dmoffett> Level 3 bean bag area near pool tables.
May 28 21:43:22 <f00f-> kk
May 28 21:43:22 <f00f-> cu
May 28 21:43:42 <dmoffett> I am wearing a black coat sitting against a pole.
May 28 21:49:58 <Dougie187_> how are the session pawalls-io?
May 28 21:50:15 <plusminus_> cu
May 28 21:50:17 <f00f-> dmoffett: are you wearing glasses? :)
May 28 21:50:22 <dmoffett> yes
May 28 22:10:28 <umdk1d3-io> im in the security sxessn
May 28 22:14:44 <pcjjman-io> @umd you're at the secure collab session talking about lolcats?
May 28 23:20:06 <romainguy> re'
May 28 23:20:27 <michaelnovakjr__> ?
May 28 23:21:03 <duey> hi
May 28 23:21:12 <duey> IO on today?
May 28 23:21:14 <romainguy> cool demos from Google I/O :))
May 28 23:21:22 <duey> you at IO?
May 28 23:21:26 <romainguy> no
May 28 23:21:30 <romainguy> in France :)
May 28 23:21:39 <duey> lol
May 28 23:21:48 <duey> not close at al
May 28 23:22:31 <volmarias> So, I need to make a business case to a technical audience that we should create our product for android. Can anyone suggest things that I should emphasize/mention? I've never actually written a business case before.
May 28 23:22:54 <Dougie187> what is your product?
May 28 23:22:57 <volmarias> For that matter, I'm new to the mobile development market, so I'm not sure what things are "oh thank god they did this" level of goodness
May 28 23:23:05 <volmarias> CoPilot personal navigation
May 28 23:23:11 <volmarias> like tomtom, but for cellphones and such
May 28 23:23:25 <Dougie187> well.
May 28 23:23:43 <Dougie187> it would add another level of usefulness to a cell phone
May 28 23:23:53 <volmarias> well yes, but they know that.
May 28 23:24:00 <volmarias> we already have a product for other cellphones
May 28 23:24:05 <Dougie187> since most people have cell phones anyways, they could get this instead of the tomtoms.
May 28 23:24:12 <Dougie187> especially if it is cheaper.
May 28 23:24:16 <volmarias> no
May 28 23:24:20 <volmarias> sorry
May 28 23:24:23 <Dougie187> ok
May 28 23:24:29 <volmarias> I'm making the business case that we should develop copilot on android
May 28 23:24:36 <volmarias> rather than devoting time/resources on other products
May 28 23:24:42 <michaelnovakjr__> didn't one of the top 50 apps do this?
May 28 23:24:44 <volmarias> we already have copilot for windows mobile
May 28 23:24:52 <volmarias> about half of them did, but not what we do.
May 28 23:25:09 <volmarias> driving directions, routing w/o access to the webwebs, poi information, 3d, etc
May 28 23:25:42 <raboof> so what they want to know is whether it'll pay back the effort
May 28 23:25:49 <volmarias> pretty much
May 28 23:25:53 <raboof> so they want to see a nice long list of OHA members
May 28 23:25:58 <volmarias> to be personally honest I'm not entirely convinced
May 28 23:26:08 <Dougie187> lol
May 28 23:26:13 <Dougie187> well why are you making a case?
May 28 23:26:16 <volmarias> in that whatever we put out, telenav may already beat us to it
May 28 23:26:23 <volmarias> because it's doing this, or working on some horrible webservice stuff
May 28 23:26:31 <Dougie187> well.
May 28 23:26:31 <volmarias> Android programming, C++ ugly internals.
May 28 23:26:35 <volmarias> Android programming, C++ ugly internals.
May 28 23:26:36 <Dougie187> act like your convinced then
May 28 23:26:36 <volmarias> hmm...
May 28 23:26:51 <volmarias> right
May 28 23:27:03 <volmarias> what I'm asking is, since other people probably have experience developing for other mobile phones
May 28 23:27:10 <volmarias> what did google get incredibly right w/ android?
May 28 23:27:12 <Dougie187> well these will mainly be the two OS's for smart phones, (granted these BB but that doesnt count)
May 28 23:27:24 <raboof> ok, so if telenav is a competitor, tell 'm why your product will be more successful
May 28 23:27:29 <Dougie187> The "open-ness" (dont ask what i mean or ill laugh)
May 28 23:27:35 <volmarias> I know what you mean :P
May 28 23:28:04 <michaelnovakjr__> hahaha
May 28 23:28:11 <volmarias> I mean more along the lines of "the location based management is 3 lines of code and you're done"
May 28 23:28:13 <raboof> anything related to openness (i.e. ability to read OSM maps) will give you a probably advantage over competitors in the android market
May 28 23:28:23 <volmarias> OSM?
May 28 23:28:28 <raboof> openstreetmap
May 28 23:28:33 <volmarias> ... we create our own maps.
May 28 23:28:59 <raboof> just pitching ideas here
May 28 23:29:04 <volmarias> yeah, I appreciate it
May 28 23:29:20 <Dougie187> I would say, this way you would cover all of the main OS's on smartphones.
May 28 23:29:20 <volmarias> anyway, I'm looking more along the lines of "it's incredibly easy to debug compared to phones xyz"
May 28 23:29:27 <Dougie187> to broaden the audience.
May 28 23:29:29 <volmarias> ugh, that's actually a poor argument to make
May 28 23:29:41 <volmarias> due to the effectiveness of our blackberry beta
May 28 23:29:50 <Dougie187> heh
May 28 23:29:50 <volmarias> which is to say the high number of "it made my device lock up" bug reports
May 28 23:30:03 <volmarias> which we actually found and fixed (threading deadlock)
May 28 23:30:59 <volmarias> it's not the worst argument.
May 28 23:31:23 <volmarias> really, I want to convince them "if you assign 5 developers to this for a year, you'll have a reasonable return"
May 28 23:31:36 <volmarias> ideological arguments are a poor tack to make, as well as anything that says we can one up a competator
May 28 23:32:27 <volmarias> so, I'm looking more along the lines of "ddms is a huge leap over traditional methods of debugging/emulators"
May 28 23:32:50 <volmarias> I'm asking because I don't really have other cellphone dev experience, aside from some time spent developing for the blackberry (argh)
May 28 23:33:09 <volmarias> aside from hearing my officemate scream obscenities at symbian, I don't know how good or bad things are compared to android
May 29 00:06:27 <Dougie187> usability.
May 29 00:06:36 <Dougie187> i would say that is a good reason why android is better.
May 29 00:06:56 <Dougie187> it would be more compatible with windows, linux, and mac than windows mobile.
May 29 00:09:27 <Dougie187> volmarias
May 29 00:37:20 <umdk1d3-io> anybody around io?
May 29 01:36:33 <umdk1d3-io> anybody around io
May 29 01:36:44 <umdk1d3-io> anybody around io
May 29 01:56:14 <umdk1d3-io> jjjjjjjk oooo
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