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Jun 03 12:19:16 <muthu> mornin
Jun 03 12:20:48 <vol> hi
Jun 03 12:21:02 <muthu> vol: how you today?
Jun 03 12:21:13 <vol> alright, nosebleed
Jun 03 12:21:21 <muthu> oh
Jun 03 12:21:27 <vol> during summer, my nose dries up
Jun 03 12:21:35 <vol> and once in a while, I'll sneeze and out comes a geiser of blood
Jun 03 12:21:35 <muthu> why?
Jun 03 12:21:42 <vol> hooray
Jun 03 12:21:51 <muthu> allergy or something?
Jun 03 12:23:38 <vol> yeah
Jun 03 12:23:49 <vol> allergies, and the lack of humidity
Jun 03 12:23:51 <vol> I'm not really sure
Jun 03 12:23:55 <vol> it's just a pain :\
Jun 03 12:24:02 <muthu> yeah i know
Jun 03 12:24:58 <muthu> hope you feel better
Jun 03 12:25:03 <vol> thanks
Jun 03 12:47:10 <vol> well, java dev has been put on hold indefinitely, I've been moved to the webservices team.
Jun 03 12:47:32 <vol> so long, and thanks for all the fish
Jun 03 12:54:47 <wastrel> hi
Jun 03 12:55:26 <wastrel> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/06/03/google-android-phone.html
Jun 03 13:05:44 <cutmasta> wastrel, nice post
Jun 03 13:15:20 <buster_> yes, thats certainly nice to hear. now some people on the mailinglist can shut up already :)
Jun 03 13:19:43 <cutmasta> hehe
Jun 03 13:19:44 <cutmasta> yap
Jun 03 14:45:03 * cutmasta is away (away)
Jun 03 14:55:18 <tethridge> did we end up getting updated sdks using a NDA?
Jun 03 14:55:29 <tethridge> for the people not in the adc
Jun 03 14:57:59 <muthu> tethridge: don't think so
Jun 03 15:26:24 <zhobbs_> I need to upgrade my PC, I don't really follow desktop hardware very much...anyone have any suggestions for sites to get the latest info on good bang/buck cpu/mobo combos?
Jun 03 15:29:35 <gambler> zhobbs, just buy a dell. the time you spend researching will exceed the cost savings youd get
Jun 03 15:30:03 <zhobbs_> hm
Jun 03 15:31:57 <zhobbs_> my dell laptop is falling apart :)
Jun 03 15:32:06 <zhobbs_> but desktop it probably doesn't matter as much
Jun 03 15:32:17 <zhobbs_> I'd really like a mac pro
Jun 03 15:33:03 <davidw> what laptop is it?
Jun 03 15:33:19 * davidw has an E1505
Jun 03 15:33:35 <zhobbs_> inspiron 9300
Jun 03 15:33:36 <davidw> I'm pretty happy with it... not beautiful, but cheap, and the service was really good the one time I needed it
Jun 03 15:34:28 <zhobbs_> my keyboard and sound card is messed up on mine
Jun 03 15:34:54 <zhobbs_> keys falling off, and headphone jack is messed up (only comes through one channel), and speakers don't work
Jun 03 15:38:47 <davidw> zhobbs, how old is it?
Jun 03 16:16:35 <Dougie1872> good morning everyone
Jun 03 16:16:41 <trigatch4> Good morning!
Jun 03 16:16:54 <Dougie1872> Hows it going?
Jun 03 16:17:03 <trigatch4> Good over here
Jun 03 16:17:06 <Dougie1872> nice
Jun 03 16:17:15 <trigatch4> hey dougie, you looking for an Android App idea?
Jun 03 16:17:22 <trigatch4> i remmeber you were thinking about the whole FAX thing
Jun 03 16:17:59 <Dougie1872> well. I have two, but i dont think one is practical, and the other is too simple
Jun 03 16:18:39 <trigatch4> Well i have billions of idea.... okay not billions... but I'm not a programmer
Jun 03 16:18:46 <Dougie1872> heh
Jun 03 16:19:00 <trigatch4> I just wrote an article about a niche i think isnt being pursued enough
Jun 03 16:19:03 <trigatch4> phandroid.com lead article
Jun 03 16:19:04 <Dougie1872> ok
Jun 03 16:19:06 <trigatch4> but basically
Jun 03 16:19:14 <trigatch4> google today announced real-time stock quotes
Jun 03 16:19:17 <trigatch4> on Google Finance
Jun 03 16:19:20 <Dougie1872> ok
Jun 03 16:19:32 <trigatch4> Which has the potential to turn your android handset into a day trader's dream
Jun 03 16:19:39 <Dougie1872> yeah
Jun 03 16:19:43 <trigatch4> I don't have a solid concept
Jun 03 16:19:51 <trigatch4> but i think the presents an amazing opportunity
Jun 03 16:19:57 <trigatch4> that not many developers are pursuing
Jun 03 16:20:20 <trigatch4> just a thought...
Jun 03 16:20:47 <davidw> I think stock market stuff attracts lots of attention because of the $$$ involved
Jun 03 16:21:12 <Dougie1872> so make like a trading app?
Jun 03 16:22:54 <zhobbs_> probably be good...could keep you informed 24/7
Jun 03 16:24:30 <zhobbs_> I wonder if any of the top 50 from adc1 will show up in adc2
Jun 03 16:24:46 <zhobbs_> I guess you can't resubmit the same app for adc2 if you placed in adc1
Jun 03 16:24:54 <Dougie1872> i heard some speculation from members of the top 50 that they wouldnt be allowed into ADC2
Jun 03 16:24:58 <Dougie1872> but i never heard that from Google
Jun 03 16:25:14 <zhobbs_> Dougie1872: I think the people can, just not the same spp
Jun 03 16:25:24 <Dougie1872> that would probably make sense.
Jun 03 16:25:25 <morrildl> Dougie1872: rules for ADC2 are not written yet, so there is no answer to give
Jun 03 16:25:32 <Dougie1872> yeah.
Jun 03 16:25:43 <Dougie1872> thats why i hadn't heard anything about ADC2 yet.
Jun 03 16:25:51 <Dougie1872> i believe thats what you and jason have both said in the past as well.
Jun 03 16:25:54 <morrildl> That said, it's pretty likely that any project that won some $ in ADC1 won't be eligible for ADC2
Jun 03 16:26:06 <Dougie1872> hey morrildl: while your here, have you heard anything from jason regarding our announcement?
Jun 03 16:26:07 <zhobbs_> morrildl: let the people compete though
Jun 03 16:26:21 <morrildl> zhobbs_: I think that's the plan
Jun 03 16:26:23 <Dougie1872> zhobbs_; he did say project.
Jun 03 16:26:26 <zhobbs_> morrildl: especially because most of the top 50 projects have picked up additional people
Jun 03 16:26:32 <Dougie1872> which would make me assume, you cant submit the same app
Jun 03 16:27:23 <zhobbs_> I'm thinking a really big online gaming community would be good, but games didn't do very well so far
Jun 03 16:27:46 <Dougie1872> i think big mobile games are hard to get right, especially on a cell phone
Jun 03 16:28:05 <Dougie1872> just because, theres only so much you can do
Jun 03 16:28:10 <Dougie1872> there are a lot of limiting factors
Jun 03 16:28:38 <zhobbs_> I'm talking a suite of normal games: card games, chess, checkers, acceleromter based games...all online
Jun 03 16:28:53 <zhobbs_> and shorter games (ones you can play on the crapper)
Jun 03 16:29:06 <Dougie1872> heh
Jun 03 16:29:07 <Dougie1872> yeah
Jun 03 16:29:12 <zhobbs_> cause actually, that's the only time I play games on my phone
Jun 03 16:29:29 <Dougie1872> i do when i have to wait somewhere for a while
Jun 03 16:29:33 <Dougie1872> like at a doctors office
Jun 03 16:29:43 <Dougie1872> so morrildl: any word yet?
Jun 03 16:35:34 <Dougie1872> i guess not.
Jun 03 16:35:36 <Dougie1872> :(
Jun 03 16:35:37 * AstainHellbring just wants a real android phone to come out
Jun 03 16:35:48 <Dougie1872> heh, who doesnt.
Jun 03 16:35:49 <Dougie1872> lol
Jun 03 16:36:39 <davidw> Dougie1872, apple?
Jun 03 16:36:48 <davidw> actually, they probably don't care
Jun 03 16:37:00 <davidw> Sun, and MS, maybe
Jun 03 16:37:04 <Dougie1872> i bet there are people at apple who are like "Damn, i want one of those super cool android phones"
Jun 03 16:37:52 <morrildl> Dougie1872: re the SDK access?  not yet
Jun 03 16:38:09 <Dougie1872> bust.
Jun 03 16:38:43 <Dougie1872> zhobbs_ you make it into the ADC1 room yet?
Jun 03 16:40:28 <trigatch4> Dougie1872: what announcement were you talking about?
Jun 03 16:40:43 <zhobbs_> Dougie1872: yeah, I found my way over there
Jun 03 16:40:52 <Dougie1872> about what the rest of the people can do about getting access to the new SDK release
Jun 03 17:04:14 <Dougie1872> man that google finance thing is cool
Jun 03 17:07:24 <jasta> yawn
Jun 03 17:07:33 <Dougie1872> hows work jasta?
Jun 03 17:07:41 <jasta> you know, lame
Jun 03 17:07:47 <Dougie1872> yeah it happens.
Jun 03 17:08:18 <Dougie1872> you been floating your Resume around?
Jun 03 17:10:24 <jasta> no
Jun 03 17:14:27 <jasta> i'm not sure what i want to do yet
Jun 03 17:14:39 <Dougie1872> it takes some time to figure that one out
Jun 03 17:14:51 <jasta> i'm considering maturing my project first.
Jun 03 17:14:59 <Dougie1872> yeah
Jun 03 17:15:22 <jasta> because otherwise, i may just shelve it from the stress of a new career
Jun 03 17:16:30 <davidw> donomo, what in particular is cool about the finance thing?
Jun 03 17:16:33 <davidw> err
Jun 03 17:16:36 <davidw> I mean Dougie1872
Jun 03 17:16:47 <Dougie1872> i just thought it was neat how it was live.
Jun 03 17:16:56 <Dougie1872> you can sit and watch the values increase and drop
Jun 03 17:22:13 * cutmasta is away (away)
Jun 03 17:30:22 <jasta> Dougie1872: i did talk to some folks from motorola while at I/O, though.
Jun 03 17:30:43 <jasta> a manufacturer would probably be a fun place to work.  especially if you can get in on some of the low level stuff
Jun 03 17:31:12 <davidw> I hear those guys have low margins and intense pressure for quick turnarounds
Jun 03 17:31:34 <Dougie1872> that would be cool though
Jun 03 17:32:08 <jasta> well that wouldn't be fun
Jun 03 17:32:19 <jasta> if true ;)
Jun 03 17:32:30 <jasta> i don't know.  i feel adrift right now.
Jun 03 17:35:09 <jasta> morning romain
Jun 03 17:35:51 <romainguy_> yo
Jun 03 17:36:00 <Dougie1872> Hows france treating you?
Jun 03 17:36:07 <romainguy_> I'm back
Jun 03 17:36:11 <romainguy_> back to work :((
Jun 03 17:36:12 <Dougie1872> Ohh really?
Jun 03 17:36:14 <Dougie1872> heh
Jun 03 17:36:15 <romainguy_> yes
Jun 03 17:36:20 <Dougie1872> back to making a new welcome screen?
Jun 03 17:36:21 <Dougie1872> lol
Jun 03 17:36:36 <romainguy_> no, not another one :p
Jun 03 17:36:43 <romainguy_> but I can try to make the new one work :P
Jun 03 17:36:50 <Dougie1872> lol
Jun 03 17:37:03 <zhobbs_> did he have to be very careful in the keynote to not use broken features?
Jun 03 17:37:29 <romainguy_> no
Jun 03 17:37:34 <romainguy_> the keynote version was working
Jun 03 17:37:39 <zhobbs_> it looks good
Jun 03 17:37:47 <romainguy_> by making it work I mean "implement all the features"
Jun 03 17:37:57 <zhobbs_> ah
Jun 03 17:38:37 * jasta wonders if Google is going to implement all their apps in the web browser
Jun 03 17:38:42 <jasta> that would be so lame
Jun 03 17:44:21 <jasta> i saw at the keynote that google.com had tabs at the top for calendar, mail, etc.
Jun 03 17:44:31 <jasta> i really hope that's not what they intend to do...ugh
Jun 03 17:45:13 <Dougie1872> but i thought that was their "mobiel web browser"
Jun 03 17:45:16 <Dougie1872> grand prix
Jun 03 17:45:19 <romainguy_> jasta: that was just Grand Prix
Jun 03 17:46:56 <jasta> right, but i'm hoping that does not represent the overall strategy for the platform.
Jun 03 17:46:58 <zhobbs_> jasta: I think that's the long term goal
Jun 03 17:47:44 <Dougie1872> jasta: i think they were just like, easy access buttons built into the web browser
Jun 03 17:47:59 <Dougie1872> of  course they would want to make use of their web apps
Jun 03 17:49:19 <zhobbs_> I don't really use any google services so I'm not worried
Jun 03 17:49:43 <Dougie1872> lol im in love with gmail
Jun 03 17:49:48 <zhobbs_> but we do need native email,calendar
Jun 03 17:50:40 <romainguy_> it was just Grand Prix
Jun 03 17:50:51 <romainguy_> it's a UI for Google services targeted at mobile devices
Jun 03 17:50:56 <romainguy_> it's the same UI you get on an iPhone
Jun 03 17:52:49 <zhobbs_> what is grand prix?
Jun 03 17:53:38 <romainguy_> what you are talking about
Jun 03 17:54:10 <zhobbs_> "(1:46:18 PM) romainguy_: it was just Grand Prix" ?
Jun 03 17:54:24 <Dougie1872> i think he wants a definition
Jun 03 17:54:38 <romainguy_> "jasta: i saw at the keynote that google.com had tabs at the top for calendar, mail, etc."
Jun 03 17:54:55 <zhobbs_> Grand Prix is the name of the mobile google.com site?
Jun 03 17:54:56 <romainguy_> http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/how-google-green-lighted-grand-prix/2007-12-18
Jun 03 17:55:07 <Dougie1872> is grand prix just google.com for mobile devices?
Jun 03 17:55:11 <Dougie1872> or is it a web browser?
Jun 03 17:55:19 <romainguy_> it's just the web site
Jun 03 17:55:35 <zhobbs_> gotcha
Jun 03 17:55:41 <Dougie1872> its like google.mobi or what ever
Jun 03 17:55:42 <Dougie1872> right?
Jun 03 17:56:33 <romainguy_> it's what you see on google.com/m with an iPhone or with Android
Jun 03 17:56:54 <Dougie1872> k
Jun 03 20:00:01 <jasta> yawn
Jun 03 20:19:05 <muthu> good chilly afternoon
Jun 03 20:20:15 <zer0her0> it's hot here
Jun 03 20:21:37 <muthu> zer0her0: where?
Jun 03 20:21:44 <zer0her0> NY
Jun 03 20:21:51 <muthu> ok, cold in SF
Jun 03 20:22:07 <zer0her0> yea 80+ here
Jun 03 20:22:16 <zer0her0> after being in the 60s the past couple weeks
Jun 03 20:22:18 <zer0her0> quite the change
Jun 03 20:22:40 <muthu> i've been in 100's in chennai
Jun 03 20:22:46 <muthu> and quite a change too
Jun 03 20:23:01 <zer0her0> haha
Jun 03 20:23:03 <zer0her0> chennai?
Jun 03 20:25:59 <jasta> http://webkit.org/blog/189/announcing-squirrelfish/
Jun 03 20:30:41 <muthu> jasta: is that the one android uses?
Jun 03 20:30:53 <jasta> It will be, yes.
Jun 03 20:31:13 <muthu> cool
Jun 03 20:31:25 <muthu> hey regarding the diversity discussion
Jun 03 20:31:35 <muthu> went to a swim academy yesterday
Jun 03 20:31:47 <jasta> a swim academy?  huh?
Jun 03 20:32:00 <muthu> wow, you see different groups of kids there
Jun 03 20:32:13 <davidw> jasta, India's navy is composed of swimmer with little turrets on their backs
Jun 03 20:33:03 <muthu> davidw: how's your daughter?
Jun 03 20:33:05 <romainguy_> muthu: you should take a look at the mail I sent to the adc2 group
Jun 03 20:33:24 <muthu> romainguy_: you mean the nested xml?
Jun 03 20:33:24 <davidw> muthu, great! http://flickr.com/photos/26254919@N05/
Jun 03 20:33:35 <muthu> davidw: thanks, will check out
Jun 03 20:33:37 <romainguy_> muthu: I mean the stuff you're not supposed to mention here :)
Jun 03 20:33:58 <muthu> romainguy_:  shhhhh
Jun 03 20:34:00 <muthu> ok
Jun 03 20:34:03 <romainguy_> :p
Jun 03 20:34:17 <muthu> romainguy_: yeah, its in my radar
Jun 03 20:34:44 <muthu> will try that moving forward
Jun 03 20:34:57 <muthu> http://flickr.com/photos/saradevi
Jun 03 20:35:03 <muthu> that's my stream, check it out
Jun 03 20:35:49 <romainguy_> muthu: http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy/ :)
Jun 03 20:36:26 <muthu> romainguy_: thanks, checking out
Jun 03 20:36:33 <muthu> davidw: man, you are young!
Jun 03 20:36:54 <davidw> well, 33... not *that* young
Jun 03 20:37:18 <muthu> haha, atleast you look young
Jun 03 20:37:41 <muthu> romainguy_: emily, your gf?
Jun 03 20:38:02 <romainguy> muthu: yes
Jun 03 20:38:28 <muthu> romainguy_: she's beautiful
Jun 03 20:38:36 <romainguy> she'll be glad to hear this :0
Jun 03 20:38:47 <muthu> haha, i know
Jun 03 20:39:45 <muthu> where are you?
Jun 03 20:39:57 <romainguy> in San Francisco
Jun 03 20:42:07 <muthu> romainguy_: in SF?
Jun 03 20:42:10 <muthu> man, we can meet
Jun 03 20:42:30 <muthu> we are at golden cafe, right now
Jun 03 20:42:46 <muthu> come over
Jun 03 20:42:56 <wastrel> where's that?
Jun 03 20:43:11 <muthu> golden gate perk
Jun 03 20:44:00 <muthu> bush and kearny
Jun 03 20:44:30 <muthu> wastrel: want to join?
Jun 03 20:45:07 <zhobbs_> just be ready to pound some drinks if you're hanging with muthu
Jun 03 20:45:13 <muthu> haha
Jun 03 20:45:13 <davidw> ahahaa
Jun 03 20:45:21 <muthu> its already on!
Jun 03 20:46:00 <zhobbs_> hehe
Jun 03 20:46:03 <zhobbs_> I bet
Jun 03 20:46:06 <romainguy_> I would go but I'm working :))
Jun 03 20:46:15 <muthu> me too
Jun 03 20:46:30 <muthu> but working in the right way :)
Jun 03 20:48:08 <muthu> we'll be in jelly this friday
Jun 03 20:48:14 <muthu> if you folks want to meetup
Jun 03 20:48:30 * davidw will be in beer on friday
Jun 03 20:49:43 <muthu> there's a german beer festival, saturday
Jun 03 20:53:08 <zhobbs_> muthu: damn, left too early
Jun 03 20:53:16 <muthu> zhobbs_: you did
Jun 03 20:53:23 <muthu> there's a whole lot of fun this month
Jun 03 20:54:01 <zhobbs_> yep
Jun 03 20:54:11 <muthu> you were really cool
Jun 03 20:54:16 <zhobbs_> haha
Jun 03 20:54:16 <muthu> hope you had been here for a longer time
Jun 03 20:54:40 <muthu> zhobbs_: you grew up here,  mainly?
Jun 03 20:54:41 <zhobbs_> short trips like that are exhausting because you have to get "your money's" worth of fun
Jun 03 20:54:52 <zhobbs_> so never rest at all
Jun 03 20:54:58 <zhobbs_> muthu: grew up in florida
Jun 03 20:55:07 <muthu> thought so
Jun 03 20:55:48 <muthu> zhobbs_: had your money worth? ;)
Jun 03 20:55:57 <zhobbs_> yeah, for sure
Jun 03 20:56:01 <muthu> hehe
Jun 03 20:56:17 <muthu> but you  left early
Jun 03 20:58:47 <zhobbs_> yeah...
Jun 03 20:59:06 <zhobbs_> was worn out from night before
Jun 03 21:00:06 <zhobbs_> Google open bar lead to lots of partying afterwards
Jun 03 21:00:09 <zhobbs_> led*
Jun 03 21:00:17 <muthu> the day before, i left early
Jun 03 21:00:19 <muthu> thankfully
Jun 03 21:01:34 <zhobbs_> I'm a big Flight of the Conchords fan, so that was a treat also
Jun 03 21:03:46 <muthu> 9PM was the right time to leave
Jun 03 21:03:51 <muthu> except i didn't plan afterwards
Jun 03 21:07:04 <wastrel> muthu: i'm in NYC
Jun 03 21:07:15 <wastrel> used to live in SF tho
Jun 03 21:07:47 <muthu> oh ok
Jun 03 21:08:13 <muthu> i love NYC
Jun 03 21:51:40 <jasta> hey duey
Jun 03 21:51:50 <duey> hi
Jun 03 21:54:06 <duey> oh finally clinton gave up
Jun 03 21:54:24 <jasta> Pantsuit...Uggghhh!
Jun 03 21:54:27 <jasta> ;)
Jun 03 21:54:50 <dmoffett> sorry but I have been out of touch.  Has there been no word on the sdk release?
Jun 03 21:55:21 <jasta> well, i think their silence is their word :)
Jun 03 21:55:57 <dmoffett> I see, that is less than optimal.
Jun 03 21:57:06 <jasta> agreed.
Jun 03 21:57:29 <jasta> insufficient, even.  inadequate.  does not compute.
Jun 03 22:03:59 <davidw> I admit, it's not exactly a community builder... oh well, sleep time for me in any case
Jun 03 22:18:14 <dmoffett> I can tell you what it is: Incentive to go and do other things.
Jun 03 22:21:49 <jasta> yeah, which is what i think most developers will do
Jun 03 22:21:51 <jasta> myself included
Jun 03 22:21:58 <jasta> i'm still working on my project, but not on the android pieces.
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