**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 02:59:56 2008
Jul 11 03:01:04 <TSchultz55> but now i can see why my application is crashing now at least
Jul 11 03:01:50 <TSchultz55> all global libraries go into /system/lib correct?
Jul 11 03:17:04 <michaelnovakjr_> anyone know if its possible to emulate a video camera source?
Jul 11 03:20:38 <michaelnovakjr_> around romainguy ?
Jul 11 03:28:23 <TSchultz55> how did the android scan application do it
Jul 11 03:28:44 <TSchultz55> http://scan.jsharkey.org/
Jul 11 03:28:59 <TSchultz55> http://www.tomgibara.com/android/camera-source
Jul 11 03:29:28 <TSchultz55> but bed for me
Jul 11 03:29:30 <TSchultz55> night
Jul 11 03:29:37 <muthu> gm
Jul 11 03:51:38 <michaelnovakjr_> goodnight
Jul 11 04:39:25 <f00f-> aint no love in the heart of the city
Jul 11 04:39:31 <f00f-> nanananaaaaaaa
Jul 11 04:41:10 <muthu> f00f-: mornin
Jul 11 04:42:37 <f00f-> yo
Jul 11 04:42:41 <f00f-> just checking out the app store on apple
Jul 11 04:42:47 <f00f-> lot of shit out there
Jul 11 04:43:36 <romainguy_> I'm very disappointed by the games
Jul 11 04:43:43 <romainguy_> they are barely playable with the sensors :((
Jul 11 04:44:31 <muthu> looks like 500+ apps
Jul 11 04:44:36 <romainguy_> yep
Jul 11 04:44:41 <romainguy_> lots of duplicates though
Jul 11 04:44:49 <romainguy_> and a bunch of books
Jul 11 04:44:58 <muthu> any gps based apps?
Jul 11 04:45:08 <muthu> since that happens to be the new feature
Jul 11 04:45:11 <duey> you guys got iphone3gs yet?
Jul 11 04:45:12 <f00f-> a few
Jul 11 04:45:26 <romainguy_> duey: no but I upgraded my 1st gen iPhone
Jul 11 04:45:29 <f00f-> nothing exciting as far as LBS is
Jul 11 04:45:32 <duey> ah ok
Jul 11 04:45:46 <muthu> anything you like?
Jul 11 04:45:55 <f00f-> some trip planners for transit
Jul 11 04:46:00 <f00f-> but they are metro specific
Jul 11 04:46:09 <muthu> oh cool
Jul 11 04:46:12 <f00f-> but nothing liek PedNav ;)
Jul 11 04:46:24 <f00f-> i'm trying to find a calendaring app
Jul 11 04:46:24 <muthu> right!!!
Jul 11 04:47:03 <f00f-> man this is a wave right now
Jul 11 04:47:09 <f00f-> i cant wait for the android equivalent of such a store
Jul 11 04:47:14 <f00f-> we'll be riding that wave
Jul 11 04:47:17 <f00f-> for real
Jul 11 04:48:50 <muthu> f00f-: check your mail
Jul 11 04:49:49 <duey> whens your compo over?
Jul 11 04:49:51 <duey> the
Jul 11 04:50:40 <f00f-> compo ?
Jul 11 04:50:52 <duey> adc
Jul 11 07:36:23 <alex2308> morning android dudez
Jul 11 07:36:58 <davidw> 'morning
Jul 11 08:44:35 <alex2308> whats cool -> SPLENDID
Jul 11 08:44:37 <alex2308> ops
Jul 11 08:44:43 <alex2308> i mean http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/957fa043e2a199b6#
Jul 11 08:53:01 <davidw> alex2308, unfortunately, alien mind control rays prevent them from saying why they can't say or do anything
Jul 11 08:58:26 <cutmasta> mornin all
Jul 11 08:59:22 <muthu> ga
Jul 11 09:00:34 <f00f-> muthu and his acronyms
Jul 11 09:00:45 <muthu> haha
Jul 11 09:00:54 <muthu> f00f-: go to sleep!
Jul 11 09:01:29 <f00f-> what, so you can win? :P
Jul 11 09:02:02 <alex2308> metal hats would solve the alien mind control problem
Jul 11 09:02:22 <muthu> f00f-: exactly ;)
Jul 11 09:04:49 <davidw> alex2308, they interfere with the page&brin mind control device that keeps the googlers in line
Jul 11 09:07:24 <muthu> hey davidw, what
Jul 11 09:07:34 <muthu> how's your daughter?
Jul 11 09:07:44 <muthu> having fun :)
Jul 11 09:08:20 <alex2308> davidw: found a google employe http://www.annarea.ch/thomas/bilder/knebel.jpg
Jul 11 09:09:43 <muthu> man, thats scary
Jul 11 09:09:55 <muthu> alex2308: that should go with a warning.. haha
Jul 11 09:10:19 <alex2308> hehe
Jul 11 09:28:19 <davidw> muthu, yeah, she's yelling at the moment, but she's started smiling lots, which is nice
Jul 11 09:29:03 <muthu> yup, it would get better
Jul 11 10:07:37 <alex2308> someone tell me where to apply for a job in germany
Jul 11 10:07:55 <alex2308> i dont know my str/weaknesses
Jul 11 11:48:08 <alex2308> how do i register an intent without modifying manifest.xml? any possibility?
Jul 11 11:48:45 <alex2308> *intentreceiver
Jul 11 13:39:51 <zhobbs_> anyone irc'ing from iphone line? :)
Jul 11 13:42:07 <TSchultz55> doubt they'd be in the android room ;)
Jul 11 13:42:09 <TSchultz55> lol
Jul 11 13:42:21 <zhobbs_> heh
Jul 11 13:42:29 <cutmasta> :)
Jul 11 13:42:52 <michaelnovakjr> i am.......
Jul 11 13:42:55 <michaelnovakjr> not
Jul 11 13:42:57 <TSchultz55> lol
Jul 11 13:43:08 <zhobbs_> damn, 107 people in ##iphone
Jul 11 13:43:12 <zhobbs_> they have us beat
Jul 11 13:43:15 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 11 13:43:16 <TSchultz55> i'll be irc'ing from the bar at Penn State in a few hours
Jul 11 13:43:22 <cutmasta> zhobbs, wait till phones come out
Jul 11 13:43:32 <cutmasta> :)
Jul 11 13:43:39 <cutmasta> all we be ircing from android phones
Jul 11 13:43:40 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 13:43:43 * cutmasta will
Jul 11 13:43:44 <cutmasta> :)
Jul 11 13:43:52 <zhobbs_> cutmasta: yeah, all the linux geeks will be buying them and ircing from the shell on their phone
Jul 11 13:44:15 <cutmasta> lol
Jul 11 13:44:23 <cutmasta> hopefully also normal "humans"
Jul 11 13:44:31 <cutmasta> not in #android
Jul 11 13:44:37 <TSchultz55> yeah one reason I cant get into the iPhone was their SDK was more of an "after thought"
Jul 11 13:44:38 <cutmasta> but perhaps in normal chats :)
Jul 11 13:44:55 <michaelnovakjr> its a nice SDK
Jul 11 13:44:55 <cutmasta> i am currently testing iphone sdk
Jul 11 13:45:04 <zhobbs_> open source is my draw to android
Jul 11 13:45:05 <michaelnovakjr> i have a beta account for it
Jul 11 13:45:15 <cutmasta> to have a look from both side of the phones
Jul 11 13:45:16 <TSchultz55> i heard it's lacking useful features
Jul 11 13:45:16 <michaelnovakjr> but it is too restrictive
Jul 11 13:45:20 <TSchultz55> yeah exactly
Jul 11 13:46:41 <zhobbs_> I think the iPhone is really cool though
Jul 11 13:46:49 <zhobbs_> can't take that away
Jul 11 13:46:51 <TSchultz55> it definately is
Jul 11 13:47:08 <zhobbs_> I was hoping to pick up a v1 for like $100, but guess that's not happening
Jul 11 13:47:16 <TSchultz55> as much as I love Linux and open source, I have to admit I do own a few Apple products
Jul 11 13:47:26 * cutmasta also
Jul 11 13:47:30 <TSchultz55> and enjoy using them
Jul 11 13:47:35 <cutmasta> macbook
Jul 11 13:47:47 <TSchultz55> yeah macbook here as well
Jul 11 13:47:56 <cutmasta> macbook is really good hardware
Jul 11 13:48:03 <TSchultz55> indeed
Jul 11 13:48:10 <michaelnovakjr> i have a macbook pro
Jul 11 13:48:11 <michaelnovakjr> i like it
Jul 11 13:48:14 <cutmasta> but i love my old thinkpad
Jul 11 13:48:18 <cutmasta> :)
Jul 11 13:48:19 <michaelnovakjr> i have a dual boot mac/linux
Jul 11 13:48:22 <cutmasta> yap
Jul 11 13:48:34 <cutmasta> same here michaelnovakjr
Jul 11 13:48:58 <cutmasta> but more and more using mac
Jul 11 13:49:04 <cutmasta> as OS
Jul 11 13:49:10 <cutmasta> to learn it
Jul 11 13:49:16 <TSchultz55> yeah my MS run stops here
Jul 11 13:49:37 <michaelnovakjr> i still have windows on my old thinkpad
Jul 11 13:50:15 <cutmasta> for gaming?
Jul 11 13:50:18 <TSchultz55> i have a WinXP Tablet that was MONEY in college.  it's all I ever brought to class.  Synced everything up with a Linux SVN server back at my house.
Jul 11 13:50:38 <TSchultz55> no books, papers, notebooks
Jul 11 13:50:43 <michaelnovakjr> my windows computer i use for visual studio
Jul 11 13:51:01 <michaelnovakjr> i am writing git to run natively on windows
Jul 11 13:51:15 <TSchultz55> thats cool
Jul 11 13:52:37 <michaelnovakjr> indeed
Jul 11 13:52:56 <michaelnovakjr> cutmasta what distro are you running
Jul 11 13:52:58 <TSchultz55> alrighty i'm driving out to PSU soon....gotta back
Jul 11 13:53:00 <TSchultz55> see ya
Jul 11 13:53:05 <michaelnovakjr> later
Jul 11 13:53:05 <TSchultz55> pack*
Jul 11 13:53:11 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, ubuntu on desktops
Jul 11 13:53:26 <michaelnovakjr> running ubuntu on your macbook?
Jul 11 13:53:28 <cutmasta> no time for config editing in vim anymore :)
Jul 11 13:54:00 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr,
Jul 11 13:54:02 <cutmasta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
Jul 11 13:54:14 <michaelnovakjr> nice
Jul 11 13:54:18 <michaelnovakjr> i am running mandriva
Jul 11 13:54:23 <michaelnovakjr> how's the touchpad support?
Jul 11 13:54:24 <cutmasta> oh
Jul 11 13:54:27 <cutmasta> never tried mandriva
Jul 11 13:54:33 <michaelnovakjr> its pretty cool
Jul 11 13:54:42 <cutmasta> anything very good done in mandriva which is bad done on other distros?
Jul 11 13:54:58 <michaelnovakjr> mandriva worked out of the box on my macbookpro
Jul 11 13:55:06 <michaelnovakjr> graphics internet sound ....
Jul 11 13:55:25 <cutmasta> ui
Jul 11 13:55:30 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, new macbook pro?
Jul 11 13:55:34 <cutmasta> with multitouch pad?
Jul 11 13:57:31 <michaelnovakjr> the double click feature
Jul 11 13:57:39 <michaelnovakjr> i hate touchpads that doubleclick
Jul 11 13:58:24 <cutmasta> yap
Jul 11 13:58:26 <cutmasta> one lick
Jul 11 13:58:28 <cutmasta> click
Jul 11 13:58:31 <cutmasta> is better
Jul 11 13:58:38 <cutmasta> and the only way :)
Jul 11 13:58:43 <anno^da> re
Jul 11 13:58:44 <michaelnovakjr> yyea
Jul 11 13:58:49 <anno^da> I hate touchpads at all :D
Jul 11 13:58:49 <cutmasta> wb anno^da
Jul 11 13:58:54 <michaelnovakjr> its totally annoying
Jul 11 13:59:04 <michaelnovakjr> i usually end up using an external mouse all the time
Jul 11 13:59:13 <michaelnovakjr> how's bluetooth support?
Jul 11 13:59:15 <cutmasta> dito
Jul 11 13:59:21 <michaelnovakjr> are you using 8.04?
Jul 11 13:59:23 <cutmasta> never tried the bluettoh support
Jul 11 13:59:23 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 13:59:46 <cutmasta> 8.04
Jul 11 13:59:49 <cutmasta> yes
Jul 11 13:59:51 <michaelnovakjr> rEFIt is cool
Jul 11 14:00:02 <anno^da> Are you using Compiz Fusion ?
Jul 11 14:00:05 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 11 14:00:12 <anno^da> How fast is it on the MBP?
Jul 11 14:00:22 <michaelnovakjr> its pretty fast
Jul 11 14:00:31 <anno^da> On my desktop here its so damn slow that it isnt much fun :D
Jul 11 14:00:32 <cutmasta> macbook pro is fast as hell
Jul 11 14:00:38 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Jul 11 14:00:44 <michaelnovakjr> i put 2 gigs of ram in mine
Jul 11 14:00:49 <cutmasta> 4gb here
Jul 11 14:00:49 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 14:00:50 <anno^da> (I know that I'm writing from my MBP ;) )
Jul 11 14:01:01 <michaelnovakjr> i have a first gen
Jul 11 14:01:07 <michaelnovakjr> maxes at 2 gigs
Jul 11 14:01:11 <cutmasta> ah, ok. i got it weeks ago
Jul 11 14:01:20 <cutmasta> the keyboard backlight
Jul 11 14:01:21 <cutmasta> rules
Jul 11 14:01:30 <michaelnovakjr> i am planning a dual layer burner and 500 gig hard drive in mine
Jul 11 14:01:41 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, ip upgrade my harddisc
Jul 11 14:01:44 <anno^da> yeah, but I'm using it more as a desktop machine :)
Jul 11 14:01:45 <cutmasta> to a smaller 200gb
Jul 11 14:01:51 <cutmasta> instead the 350gb default
Jul 11 14:01:57 <anno^da> I've upgraded it to a 7200 RPM disk
Jul 11 14:02:03 <cutmasta> yap
Jul 11 14:02:08 <cutmasta> me too
Jul 11 14:02:16 <anno^da> and the difference is very big compared to 5400
Jul 11 14:02:29 <michaelnovakjr> totally
Jul 11 14:02:31 <cutmasta> and bought an external drive with firewire
Jul 11 14:02:37 <cutmasta> to store much data
Jul 11 14:02:39 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i have firewire too
Jul 11 14:02:43 <michaelnovakjr> i love firewire
Jul 11 14:02:46 <cutmasta> yes
Jul 11 14:02:53 <cutmasta> usb wracks up the whole io
Jul 11 14:02:57 <anno^da> Do you have NAS devices at home ?
Jul 11 14:03:12 <cutmasta> no
Jul 11 14:03:15 <anno^da> at the moment I'm using an firwire device as well
Jul 11 14:03:33 <michaelnovakjr> i have a windows file server
Jul 11 14:03:36 <anno^da> But a backup solution for all computers here would be nice
Jul 11 14:03:45 <michaelnovakjr> and a freebsd svn/git replicated server setup
Jul 11 14:03:54 <michaelnovakjr> and a redhat zimbra mail server at home
Jul 11 14:04:05 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, zimbra :(
Jul 11 14:04:13 <michaelnovakjr> zimbra is awesome
Jul 11 14:04:21 <anno^da> The thing is I want it easy :). I havent much time configuring the things.
Jul 11 14:04:21 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, you tried open-xchange ?
Jul 11 14:04:22 <cutmasta> :)
Jul 11 14:04:36 <michaelnovakjr> cutmasta, nope.. never heard of it?
Jul 11 14:04:37 <cutmasta> anno^da, yap, this is also my way for things
Jul 11 14:05:03 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, open-xchange.com
Jul 11 14:05:07 <cutmasta> or #open-xchange
Jul 11 14:05:16 <cutmasta> :)
Jul 11 14:05:17 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Jul 11 14:05:32 <cutmasta> or ask me
Jul 11 14:05:38 <cutmasta> i work there :)
Jul 11 14:05:44 <michaelnovakjr> oh cool
Jul 11 14:06:09 <cutmasta> google would be a cool place to work
Jul 11 14:06:09 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 14:06:19 <anno^da> Ahhh I was at the website and it reminded me of the cruel Flash Player for osx
Jul 11 14:06:39 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 14:06:55 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, but open-xchange is more for hosters
Jul 11 14:07:00 <cutmasta> which want multi tenant
Jul 11 14:07:04 <anno^da> the cpu usage goes up to 80% and the fans speed up to an annoying noise
Jul 11 14:07:22 <cutmasta> like 1and1.com
Jul 11 14:07:43 <cutmasta> anno^da, your mbp is loud?
Jul 11 14:07:53 <cutmasta> i never head the cpu fans
Jul 11 14:07:56 <cutmasta> heard
Jul 11 14:08:04 <cutmasta> until i started eclipse :)
Jul 11 14:08:10 <cutmasta> for compiling
Jul 11 14:08:32 <michaelnovakjr> eclipse is yucky
Jul 11 14:08:45 <anno^da> It's hot in here :)
Jul 11 14:09:00 <michaelnovakjr> hm i can't get the ubuntu cd to boot past the kernel on my mbp
Jul 11 14:09:06 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, yap, it is
Jul 11 14:09:12 <cutmasta> but its the default ide here
Jul 11 14:09:13 <cutmasta> :(
Jul 11 14:09:17 <michaelnovakjr> i see
Jul 11 14:09:18 <cutmasta> i prefer netbeans
Jul 11 14:09:26 <michaelnovakjr> i use the command line
Jul 11 14:09:35 <cutmasta> for developing?
Jul 11 14:09:38 <cutmasta> or for compiling
Jul 11 14:09:43 <michaelnovakjr> both
Jul 11 14:09:47 <cutmasta> i think it depends on project
Jul 11 14:09:53 <cutmasta> for big project like open.-xchange
Jul 11 14:09:54 <michaelnovakjr> true
Jul 11 14:09:59 <cutmasta> ide is better way
Jul 11 14:10:05 <cutmasta> 100000000 java files
Jul 11 14:10:06 <michaelnovakjr> i do use ide's
Jul 11 14:10:07 <cutmasta> and packages
Jul 11 14:10:14 <michaelnovakjr> visual studio for example
Jul 11 14:10:18 <cutmasta> ah
Jul 11 14:10:22 <cutmasta> i c
Jul 11 14:10:36 <michaelnovakjr> xcode
Jul 11 14:12:23 <anno^da> mmmh when you say xcode I should look at objective c after the summer but dont have much experience with C/C++. How long should it take? (I like Java and Python) I'm no real coding freak. :)
Jul 11 14:13:05 <michaelnovakjr> objective c is great
Jul 11 14:13:15 <michaelnovakjr> if you don't know c first, i would start there
Jul 11 14:13:29 <michaelnovakjr> it would help alot, as you can use C in Objective-C code
Jul 11 14:14:04 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, i want to start with xcode
Jul 11 14:14:10 <cutmasta> to develop sample widget for mac
Jul 11 14:14:14 <cutmasta> just to try
Jul 11 14:14:19 <anno^da> Ok then I will start with C again. I know C a little bit but havent done much with it. I don't know for a non coder guy like me it is easier to understand things like Python or Java.
Jul 11 14:14:26 <michaelnovakjr> xcode is a nice ide
Jul 11 14:14:37 <cutmasta> just click
Jul 11 14:14:38 <cutmasta> ed
Jul 11 14:14:42 <cutmasta> a bit in it
Jul 11 14:14:44 <michaelnovakjr> cutmasta even doing a simple mac app would be a good start
Jul 11 14:14:52 <cutmasta> hopefully
Jul 11 14:15:00 <cutmasta> i only know java
Jul 11 14:15:05 <cutmasta> and shell,perl
Jul 11 14:15:06 <michaelnovakjr> any C?
Jul 11 14:15:07 <cutmasta> stuff
Jul 11 14:15:09 <cutmasta> no
Jul 11 14:15:13 <cutmasta> never used c
Jul 11 14:15:17 <cutmasta> in my live
Jul 11 14:15:21 <michaelnovakjr> the interface builder is awesome
Jul 11 14:15:27 <michaelnovakjr> wow never used C?
Jul 11 14:15:31 <cutmasta> no
Jul 11 14:15:33 <michaelnovakjr> did you study computers in college?
Jul 11 14:15:47 <alex2308> keep improving java, as it will help you later in business
Jul 11 14:15:49 <cutmasta> nope, i just started working years ago
Jul 11 14:15:52 <cutmasta> and learned java
Jul 11 14:15:59 <cutmasta> while working with it
Jul 11 14:16:17 <cutmasta> i love java, because i can write webapps
Jul 11 14:16:20 <cutmasta> and serverapps
Jul 11 14:16:25 <cutmasta> and so
Jul 11 14:16:31 <alex2308> true
Jul 11 14:17:26 <michaelnovakjr> you can write c webservices too
Jul 11 14:17:41 <michaelnovakjr> you can actually write webservices in like every language
Jul 11 14:17:43 <anno^da> And guys I'd like to get a new mobile device right now. :) (after browsing through all the iPhone apps in the store :( )
Jul 11 14:18:00 <michaelnovakjr> are you writing an app anno^da ?
Jul 11 14:18:19 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, i wrote for myself a webapp
Jul 11 14:18:28 <cutmasta> to view my calendar and so on my movile
Jul 11 14:18:30 <cutmasta> mobile
Jul 11 14:18:37 <cutmasta> and to have my conbtacts all with me
Jul 11 14:18:37 <alex2308> michaelnovakjr you can even write it in ASM, but thats no fun
Jul 11 14:18:56 <cutmasta> lol
Jul 11 14:19:07 <michaelnovakjr> haha
Jul 11 14:19:13 <anno^da> michaelnovakjr: just played with the SDK a little bit and have some mashup app in my head.
Jul 11 14:19:28 <michaelnovakjr> i am looking to write a video application
Jul 11 14:19:48 <anno^da> Yeah that would be cool. I would enjoy Miro for my mobile device.
Jul 11 14:19:53 <anno^da> If you know Miro.
Jul 11 14:21:00 <cutmasta> i will write an open-xchange mobile app
Jul 11 14:21:09 <cutmasta> to have my data with me
Jul 11 14:21:14 <michaelnovakjr> nic
Jul 11 14:21:43 <anno^da> From my point of view someone should develope some nice UI widgets and animation.
Jul 11 14:21:55 <cutmasta> yeah, eyecandy
Jul 11 14:22:06 <cutmasta> like the whole iphone is
Jul 11 14:22:20 <cutmasta> you take it your hand , just to slide
Jul 11 14:22:24 <anno^da> thats the point. If you look at the apps in the app store.
Jul 11 14:22:27 <cutmasta> from desktop a to b
Jul 11 14:22:28 <cutmasta> and back
Jul 11 14:22:33 <cutmasta> because of the nice effects
Jul 11 14:22:35 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 14:22:36 <anno^da> they look polished
Jul 11 14:22:46 <anno^da> every app looks polished
Jul 11 14:22:57 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Jul 11 14:23:04 <michaelnovakjr> they have widgets
Jul 11 14:23:09 <anno^da> I know
Jul 11 14:23:20 <anno^da> But the buttons look really ugly in Android.
Jul 11 14:23:34 <michaelnovakjr> they look good on a device
Jul 11 14:23:42 <anno^da> hmm yeah that might be.
Jul 11 14:24:09 <anno^da> But if you look at the top 50 apps there are sooo much ugly interfaces :D
Jul 11 14:24:36 <anno^da> (ok thats a very personal opionion)
Jul 11 14:24:42 <anno^da> opinion
Jul 11 14:25:04 <cutmasta> btw
Jul 11 14:25:06 <cutmasta> http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2008/07/searching-on-iphone-can-be-fun.html
Jul 11 14:25:11 <cutmasta> really usefull app
Jul 11 14:25:15 <cutmasta> just search everything
Jul 11 14:25:24 <cutmasta> local device and google at the same time
Jul 11 14:25:30 <cutmasta> really good
Jul 11 14:26:02 <michaelnovakjr> anno^da: i don't like the top 50 apps
Jul 11 14:26:29 <anno^da> I like the remote app. Ok at the moment it is limited to the iTunes but an open remote app would be really nice.
Jul 11 14:26:51 <cutmasta> for me it dont matter
Jul 11 14:26:53 <anno^da> michaelnovakjr: hmm yeah from my point of view there are too much "maps" applications
Jul 11 14:26:53 <cutmasta> if open or not
Jul 11 14:26:59 <cutmasta> i just want to use it
Jul 11 14:27:09 <anno^da> cutmasta: yeah but it has to support my player ;)
Jul 11 14:27:14 <cutmasta> :)
Jul 11 14:27:27 <anno^da> ok atm it is iTunes but itunes sucks :D
Jul 11 14:30:37 <michaelnovakjr> i want a kick ass media system
Jul 11 14:30:45 <michaelnovakjr> i want my phone to replace my ipod
Jul 11 14:30:56 <cutmasta> yup
Jul 11 14:31:00 <anno^da> yeah definetly
Jul 11 14:31:02 <cutmasta> and my mavi in my car
Jul 11 14:31:06 <cutmasta> navi
Jul 11 14:31:14 <anno^da> I want to take my phone with me and the sound switches from one room to the next
Jul 11 14:31:26 <anno^da> while I'm walking through them ;)
Jul 11 14:31:27 <cutmasta> anno^da, ringtone?
Jul 11 14:31:33 <cutmasta> or music?
Jul 11 14:31:39 <cutmasta> should both possible
Jul 11 14:31:43 <michaelnovakjr> ringtone... now that's a good idea
Jul 11 14:31:45 <cutmasta> if gps is detailed enoght
Jul 11 14:31:46 <anno^da> yeah both
Jul 11 14:31:47 <alex2308> l8er iphone dudez
Jul 11 14:31:48 <alex2308> im off
Jul 11 14:31:54 <michaelnovakjr> have a ringtone creater on the phone
Jul 11 14:31:54 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, with ringtone
Jul 11 14:32:03 <cutmasta> this app already exists
Jul 11 14:32:07 <michaelnovakjr> for android?
Jul 11 14:32:12 <cutmasta> it switches your mobile profile
Jul 11 14:32:14 <cutmasta> example
Jul 11 14:32:18 <cutmasta> you are at home
Jul 11 14:32:25 <cutmasta> ringtone is eminem
Jul 11 14:32:26 <anno^da> To make it more abstract. The system follows me and not I have to follow the system :D
Jul 11 14:32:29 <cutmasta> you are at work
Jul 11 14:32:31 <cutmasta> no ringtone
Jul 11 14:32:37 <cutmasta> just vibration is turned on
Jul 11 14:32:38 <michaelnovakjr> that would be smart
Jul 11 14:32:40 <cutmasta> automcatically
Jul 11 14:32:43 <michaelnovakjr> i'll do it!
Jul 11 14:32:47 <cutmasta> michaelnovakjr, it exists for android
Jul 11 14:32:50 <anno^da> yeah
Jul 11 14:32:54 <anno^da> it is in the top 50
Jul 11 14:32:55 <michaelnovakjr> is it good?
Jul 11 14:32:58 <anno^da> dono
Jul 11 14:32:59 <cutmasta> yap
Jul 11 14:33:03 <cutmasta> think so
Jul 11 14:33:05 <cutmasta> must be good
Jul 11 14:33:05 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 14:33:10 <cutmasta> because its under the top 50
Jul 11 14:33:11 <cutmasta> hehe
Jul 11 14:33:12 <cutmasta> wait
Jul 11 14:33:19 <anno^da> michaelnovakjr: if you search for ideas look in the Openmoko Wikipedia
Jul 11 14:33:50 <anno^da> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List
Jul 11 14:33:57 <anno^da> So much great ideas
Jul 11 14:34:03 <michaelnovakjr> nice
Jul 11 14:34:21 <michaelnovakjr> just going on record as saying anything i write for android and release will be open source and free :)
Jul 11 14:34:36 <anno^da> logged right now :D
Jul 11 14:34:53 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 11 14:35:15 <anno^da> after implementing all the features in the wiki you are 70 :D
Jul 11 14:35:22 <cutmasta> lol
Jul 11 14:37:57 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Jul 11 14:38:12 <michaelnovakjr> i'll be looking now
Jul 11 14:38:22 <zhobbs_> wow, that's quite a list
Jul 11 14:39:03 <anno^da> haha yeah. I knew that it could be helpful following the Openmoko project :D
Jul 11 14:39:19 <anno^da> (now I'm getting all the great apps by michaelnovakjr :D)
Jul 11 14:40:08 <michaelnovakjr> i think i'm going to do the menustruation one ;)
Jul 11 14:40:50 <cutmasta> bye all
Jul 11 14:40:53 <cutmasta> nice weekend
Jul 11 14:42:02 <anno^da> haha michaelnovakjr
Jul 11 14:42:27 <michaelnovakjr> that's an interesting one
Jul 11 14:43:55 <michaelnovakjr> is it possible to emulate bluetooth in the emulator?
Jul 11 14:44:15 <anno^da> nope it isnt
Jul 11 14:44:45 <michaelnovakjr> damn
Jul 11 14:45:11 <anno^da> http://code.google.com/android/reference/org/bluez/package-summary.html
Jul 11 14:45:17 <anno^da> hmm maybe a bit :)
Jul 11 14:49:26 <anno^da> What idea inspired you to develope an application ?
Jul 11 14:50:06 <michaelnovakjr> i want a cool phone :)
Jul 11 14:51:15 <anno^da> the first thing is
Jul 11 14:51:23 <anno^da> I want a cool data plan :)
Jul 11 14:51:38 <michaelnovakjr> i have sprint
Jul 11 14:52:22 <anno^da> Unlimited access :) for let me say 30€ / month (50$ a month)
Jul 11 14:52:40 <anno^da> like my normal DSL access right now
Jul 11 14:53:59 <michaelnovakjr> true
Jul 11 14:55:14 <anno^da> But thats not realistic at the moment.
Jul 11 14:56:03 <anno^da> But if the developement goes on the network providers will downgrade to normal ISPs :)
Jul 11 15:23:00 <muthu> who has the iphone?
Jul 11 15:29:03 <muthu> oh, this is not #apple? ;)
Jul 11 15:29:26 <tethridge> I want one
Jul 11 15:29:31 <tethridge> google you suck!
Jul 11 15:29:38 <tethridge> ah, now I feel better
Jul 11 15:29:47 <tethridge> I'm tired of waiting
Jul 11 15:30:10 <muthu> heard big lines waiting
Jul 11 15:30:35 <tethridge> I'm going to wait for an android phone
Jul 11 15:30:47 <muthu> me too
Jul 11 15:30:54 <tethridge> I just hope the android phones deliver or I'll be in line for an iPhone
Jul 11 15:31:29 <muthu> its still some time away
Jul 11 15:31:48 <tethridge> probably next spring for me
Jul 11 15:31:56 <tethridge> I currently use Sprint
Jul 11 15:31:58 <muthu> why?
Jul 11 15:32:06 <muthu> hmm
Jul 11 15:32:08 <tethridge> my contract expires in Feb.
Jul 11 15:32:25 <muthu> but get one before
Jul 11 15:32:32 <tethridge> If I don't have an android phone from Sprint by then, then I'll probably jump ship
Jul 11 15:32:44 <muthu> http://gigaom.com/2008/07/11/it-is-here-the-new-3g-iphone-unboxed/
Jul 11 15:33:11 <muthu> tethridge: you contract anyway expires, so why bother with sprint?
Jul 11 15:33:34 <tethridge> I'm not signing another contract, I'm just saying that I might stay with sprint if they have an android phone
Jul 11 15:33:49 <tethridge> there all you can eat data plan only costs $15 for my current phone
Jul 11 15:35:01 <tethridge> so I pay about $70 for 500 anytime minutes, nights and weekends starting at 7 and all data I want on my phone.  I have a line for my wife and we share the package for that price.
Jul 11 15:35:19 <tethridge> that's pretty cheap compared to the iPhone plans
Jul 11 15:35:41 <tethridge> If I can just swap out my phone for an android phone I'd be happy
Jul 11 15:41:02 <muthu> that's a great plan
Jul 11 17:22:00 <schoni> http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/3238442/
Jul 11 18:40:47 <cain_22> what is the eta for the android anyways?
Jul 11 18:41:33 <f00f-> before december
Jul 11 18:42:02 <cain_22> think they'll make it....?
Jul 11 18:42:24 <f00f-> they've insted tens of millions of dollars already
Jul 11 18:42:27 <f00f-> i don't see why not
Jul 11 18:43:10 <f00f-> *invested
Jul 11 18:43:49 <cain_22> heard there was problems with developing for it....
Jul 11 18:43:57 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Jul 11 18:44:00 <f00f-> not really
Jul 11 18:44:02 <michaelnovakjr> what problems?
Jul 11 18:44:12 <f00f-> 1700+ people successfully developed apps for it
Jul 11 18:44:18 <f00f-> it's nothing but joy :D
Jul 11 18:44:22 <cain_22> Don't recall, just something i read once...
Jul 11 18:45:19 <cain_22> what phones is it being developed for?
Jul 11 18:45:22 <zhobbs_> cain_22: SDK can be buggy
Jul 11 18:45:37 <zhobbs_> but the platform is great
Jul 11 18:46:00 <michaelnovakjr> definitely great
Jul 11 18:46:20 <davidw> wow: http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/5466544.jpg
Jul 11 18:46:33 <davidw> "rainy" Oregon
Jul 11 18:47:03 <cain_22> heh, i just got caught in the in the rain yesterday
Jul 11 18:47:19 <cain_22> running that is...
Jul 11 18:47:27 <cain_22> nice view though...
Jul 11 18:47:28 <f00f-> heh
Jul 11 18:53:21 <cain_22> whats the android based off of anways?
Jul 11 18:53:42 <davidw> based off of?
Jul 11 18:54:28 <f00f-> bro we need a faq
Jul 11 18:54:33 <f00f-> too many newb questions, no offense
Jul 11 18:54:50 <cain_22> ouch..sorry, i'll refrain from questions...lol
Jul 11 18:54:54 <zhobbs_> hah
Jul 11 18:55:11 <zhobbs_> cain_22: http://code.google.com/android/kb/index.html
Jul 11 18:55:12 <f00f-> cain_22: it's based on linux kernel with some open-source components but much of the environment comes from google and OHA partners
Jul 11 18:56:48 <zhobbs_> I thought about making a better FAQ on helloandroid.com for #android and android-* lists
Jul 11 18:56:57 <f00f-> please do
Jul 11 18:57:00 <f00f-> usenet style faqs
Jul 11 18:57:09 <f00f-> that get reposted every 3 months or so
Jul 11 18:58:20 <cain_22> has anyone here devloped for it...?
Jul 11 18:58:35 <michaelnovakjr> pretty much all of us
Jul 11 19:00:10 <cain_22> so clearly im the opposite end of the spectrum...
Jul 11 19:03:24 <zhobbs_> cain_22: you a developer?
Jul 11 19:07:46 <cain_22> negative...can barely wright in C...
Jul 11 19:08:33 <yakischloba> can barely s/wright/write in english ;)
Jul 11 19:08:42 <zer0her0> ;)
Jul 11 19:09:19 <f00f-> lollers
Jul 11 19:09:43 <cain_22> heh..
Jul 11 19:13:00 <cain_22> i wanna pick programing up more...but find it difficult to find the time...
Jul 11 19:21:59 <zhobbs_> cain_22: java is much easier than C
Jul 11 19:55:15 <cain_22> I'll keep that in mind, but I was thinking of learning perl...
Jul 11 19:58:08 <f00f-> hahaha
Jul 11 19:58:10 <f00f-> bro for mobile
Jul 11 19:58:12 <f00f-> learn java
Jul 11 19:58:17 <f00f-> or python
Jul 11 19:58:22 <f00f-> but mostly java
Jul 11 20:00:48 <davidw> or Hecl, of course, if you just want something simple to get started with
Jul 11 20:05:40 <yakischloba> hmm
Jul 11 20:05:44 <yakischloba> never seen Hecl before
Jul 11 20:05:45 <yakischloba> cute
Jul 11 20:15:26 <f00f-> you still gotta fix problems with hecl
Jul 11 20:15:32 <f00f-> regarding operators
Jul 11 20:15:38 <f00f-> $i 10 <
Jul 11 20:15:39 <f00f-> or whatever
Jul 11 20:17:13 <yakischloba> Doesn't look like something I'd sink time into.
Jul 11 20:17:49 <f00f-> i think there is value of having client-side scripting
Jul 11 20:17:54 <f00f-> that is light-weight
Jul 11 20:17:57 <f00f-> maybe even lighter than Lua :)
Jul 11 20:18:05 <f00f-> but if it's not straightforward and logical, it's a no-go
Jul 11 20:19:07 <jerkface03> there's about a billion different basic interpreters for various mobile platforms
Jul 11 20:19:13 <jerkface03> doesn't get any more straightforward than basic
Jul 11 20:20:27 <f00f-> not all of them are good
Jul 11 20:22:15 <jerkface03> good? basic is basic
Jul 11 20:22:38 <jerkface03> i'm looking at the ANSI specs for it right now
Jul 11 20:23:21 <f00f-> basic is lame
Jul 11 20:23:22 <f00f-> no OO
Jul 11 20:23:30 <f00f-> not tha ti'm saying we need OO
Jul 11 20:23:37 <f00f-> but OO notation for data structures is a must
Jul 11 20:23:51 <f00f-> x.blah = 'jerkface'
Jul 11 20:26:19 <yakischloba> si
Jul 11 20:32:22 <davidw> f00f-, Hecl is extremely simple: everything is a command
Jul 11 20:32:26 <davidw> so it's < $i 10
Jul 11 20:32:44 <davidw> and it's unlikely we're going to fix it, because we want to be small enough to run where other people can't
Jul 11 20:32:49 <davidw> 'fix' it
Jul 11 20:32:52 <davidw> it's very consistent
Jul 11 20:33:29 <davidw> you can't get more straightforward and logical than how it's done
Jul 11 20:34:10 <davidw> think of it as less_than($i, 10)
Jul 11 20:35:14 <jerkface03> lol
Jul 11 20:35:15 <davidw> I will admit that by making it a little bit less straightforward, it might be possible to make it more human readable and similar to other languages
Jul 11 20:35:26 <davidw> but that comes at a cost
Jul 11 20:35:26 <jerkface03> what do you call that again? infix operators?
Jul 11 20:35:32 <davidw> prefix operators
Jul 11 20:35:36 <jerkface03> right right
Jul 11 20:35:45 <jerkface03> very confusing
Jul 11 20:35:59 <davidw> well, for about 10 minutes, then you get it
Jul 11 20:36:23 <f00f-> i see the rationale, but i think you could just implement a simple look-ahead parser
Jul 11 20:38:35 <davidw> what I'd be more likely to do is support something smalltalk like where < is a 'method' of certain types
Jul 11 20:38:51 <davidw> but the jury is out on that and it's not a priority at the moment
Jul 11 23:06:30 <pebs> hi, any way of getting google android (with emulator) running on ASUS P535 (intel CPU)??
Jul 12 01:07:15 <Dougie187> Good Evening
Jul 12 01:20:31 <yakischloba> hi
Jul 12 01:20:44 <Dougie187> hows it going?
Jul 12 01:21:09 <yakischloba> mm alright. Working on a messy project I want to scrap and start over with :/
Jul 12 01:21:17 <Dougie187> lol
Jul 12 01:21:19 <Dougie187> sounds pretty fun.
Jul 12 01:21:26 <yakischloba> yeah no. ;)
Jul 12 01:21:37 <yakischloba> how about you
Jul 12 01:22:29 <Dougie187> its going good.
Jul 12 01:24:35 <yakischloba> sweet.
Jul 12 01:24:48 <Dougie187> yeah...
Jul 12 01:24:53 <Dougie187> not a whole lot going on though.
Jul 12 01:25:04 <yakischloba> chill evening?
Jul 12 01:25:49 <Dougie187> yeah.
Jul 12 01:25:54 <Dougie187> just hanging out.
Jul 12 01:26:13 <yakischloba> hmm that can be nice.
Jul 12 01:27:06 <yakischloba> I've got another hour or so. Then I can go home and work on my own stuff.
Jul 12 01:27:08 <Dougie187> eh its kinda boring.
Jul 12 01:27:10 <Dougie187> but thats alright.
Jul 12 01:27:11 <Dougie187> lol
Jul 12 01:27:25 <yakischloba> sounds like you need something to do!
Jul 12 01:28:44 <Dougie187> well, i have a job.
Jul 12 01:28:46 <Dougie187> but its boring.
Jul 12 01:28:57 <Dougie187> lol
Jul 12 01:29:01 <Dougie187> but i do need something to do.
Jul 12 01:29:05 <yakischloba> yeah so is mine. Hoping to change that soon.
Jul 12 01:29:34 <Dougie187> heh, mine is just for some extra spending money for now.
Jul 12 01:29:43 <yakischloba> must be nice :)
Jul 12 01:30:16 <Dougie187> yeah. eh.
Jul 12 01:30:21 <Dougie187> we'll see.
Jul 12 01:48:16 <f00f-> lollerskates
Jul 12 01:49:28 <yakischloba> har
Jul 12 02:15:18 <Dougie187> what about roflcopter?
Jul 12 02:41:12 <f00f-> it crashed into the failcanyon while doing a lolsurvey
Jul 12 02:48:05 <Dougie187> thats disappointing for the pilot.
Jul 12 02:48:12 <Dougie187> i bet he turned into a sad panda
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