**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 30 02:59:57 2008 Aug 30 03:47:49 romainguy: but those toasts have rounded edges Aug 30 03:48:18 is there a way to make them with callout points, like speech bubbles in cartoons? Aug 30 03:51:10 and they might appear as modal until the user taps anywhere Aug 30 05:24:05 hey folks im trying to send an apk to the emulator but it says INSTALL_FAILED_UPDATE_INCOMPATIBLE Aug 30 05:25:09 ObsidianX: compiled with the new eclipse plugin? Aug 30 05:25:19 and pointing at the right SDK path? Aug 30 05:29:39 yyup yup Aug 30 05:29:57 when i run it through eclipse it gets on there, i'm just trying to use adb install Aug 30 05:42:22 nam Aug 30 06:21:32 <_avatar> ObsidianX: absolute off the wall question, were you ever loosely affiliated with the development of a windows program called musikcube? Aug 30 06:48:14 _avatar: you bet i was :) Aug 30 06:48:55 made a few plugins, made a patch to make random play inteligently seek to the last song played Aug 30 06:52:40 <_avatar> ObsidianX: cool. i was the original developer. your name immediately rang a bell :) Aug 30 06:52:57 hehe, and yours did too once you mentioned musikcube Aug 30 06:53:23 <_avatar> :) Aug 30 06:53:34 so you're interested in the android i presume? Aug 30 06:54:10 <_avatar> yup, very much so Aug 30 06:54:22 got any apps in the works? Aug 30 06:54:54 <_avatar> not officially. what about you? Aug 30 06:55:31 same, although i'd like to make something Aug 30 06:55:40 not a clue as to what, but i want to Aug 30 06:56:19 <_avatar> ditto Aug 30 06:57:36 well if inspiration strikes and you're lookin' for some help i'd love to join up Aug 30 06:58:20 <_avatar> awesome :) same here Aug 30 06:58:40 you got it Aug 30 06:59:06 i spent today updating the port of KNetWalk to the latest sdk Aug 30 06:59:13 i love that game ;P Aug 30 07:00:37 <_avatar> hehe Aug 30 07:02:11 needed to get a little better acquainted with the code too Aug 30 07:10:33 man, i wish i could have come up with something for the android developer competition... 275,000... Aug 30 07:11:15 there's adc2 next year Aug 30 07:14:44 mmm, i hope i can come up with something Aug 30 07:15:41 http://ycombinator.com/ideas.html Aug 30 07:53:10 hey romainguy: Aug 30 07:53:47 may be fixed of course, but i was touching the home button tab a lot, the one that pulls up the application grid Aug 30 07:54:13 at one point, for a long time (possibly until i rebooted), the up and down arrow was reversed Aug 30 07:54:24 muthu what's the plan for the coming weeks and months? Aug 30 07:54:41 like, it would point down when minimized and point up when maximized Aug 30 10:45:58 Hi Aug 30 11:46:51 hi Aug 30 11:47:09 when should be expecitng a phone in the uk? Aug 30 13:02:45 hello :) Aug 30 13:23:00 any ideA? Aug 30 13:50:13 mohbana: When I bring mine over ;) Aug 30 13:52:30 mohbana are you in the UK? Aug 30 13:52:40 London? Aug 30 13:52:54 DJTachyon, how about you? Aug 30 14:05:12 Guys, if you are in the UK... You should attend the Android developers meeting in London every month. Also there is a developers day coming up at google on the 16th of Sept. Aug 30 14:06:26 Acsia: yeh ... Aug 30 14:06:38 have you got more details? Aug 30 14:06:50 Ascia runs it Aug 30 14:06:56 Acsia even Aug 30 14:07:14 http://java.meetup.com/170/ Aug 30 14:07:22 are you going to google dev day? Aug 30 14:08:20 no, i'd like to know when we'll see a phone with android Aug 30 14:08:28 not sure yet Aug 30 14:09:37 oh it's in london Aug 30 14:11:22 yes Aug 30 14:11:42 you should join if interested, I ll be there with chomchom Aug 30 14:11:48 we might give a talk as well Aug 30 14:11:57 the meetup is good as well if you are interested Aug 30 14:24:24 what carriers do you anticipate will ship the first android phone in the uk? Aug 30 14:24:53 t-mobile? Aug 30 14:25:08 or is that a carrier in uk? Aug 30 14:28:09 yeah I think its T-mobile Aug 30 14:28:17 I hope to get it without a carrier in europe Aug 30 14:30:03 we shall see. Aug 30 14:33:09 There is a lot of gesture functionality available via the initial Home view Aug 30 14:33:19 But this is only available via a compiled dex file Aug 30 14:33:46 Is there any demostrative activities Aug 30 14:34:02 to show the use of gestures like the flicking left and right on the home screen? Aug 30 14:36:00 There was an ADC1 app that used them, but I'd rather use googles native implementation Aug 30 14:36:05 Any recomendations? Aug 30 14:37:45 has the getscale() been removed from BaseAdapter ? Aug 30 14:39:18 http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m5-0.9/changes/android.widget.BaseAdapter.html#android.widget.BaseAdapter.getScale_removed(boolean,%20int) Aug 30 14:39:28 yes Aug 30 14:40:11 thanks, any replacement to control the size of left and right images in the Gallery view ? Aug 30 14:42:39 there is now a min height and min width attribute upon a list item Aug 30 14:46:00 earlier the width and height was defined differently for the central focussed item and the items on its left and right. getScale() used to control the w*h of the left & right items Aug 30 14:46:24 with getscale gone, all the items in gallery r of same size. doesnt look good. Aug 30 14:51:03 Look in the example gallery Activities Aug 30 14:51:09 They do scaling stuff Aug 30 14:51:20 haven't done it myself but that should keep you right Aug 30 15:09:22 thanks. Is it necessary to provide a Suggestion authority for the Search to work ? Aug 30 15:10:20 Its optional I think Aug 30 15:11:28 if it exists and there is a value Aug 30 15:11:31 it is appended Aug 30 15:11:34 to the intent Aug 30 15:36:00 so i commented the Suggestion part of the code from the Search api example and the Search wont launch Aug 30 15:39:24 i guess Suggestions r compulsory then Aug 30 15:47:37 is there going to be a demo of an android phone at the dev day? Aug 30 15:47:44 on Aug 30 15:49:42 which dev day ? Aug 30 15:55:28 london ? Aug 30 16:03:55 how to un-install Android app? Aug 30 16:06:47 Here are the steps:: Aug 30 16:06:53 First,make sure the emulator is running.Then follow below steps: Aug 30 16:06:55 1. go to tools directory in command Aug 30 16:06:56 2. adb shell Aug 30 16:06:58 3. cd /data/app Aug 30 16:06:59 4. ls (It will display all the .apk installed in your emulator) Aug 30 16:07:01 5. rm ***.apk(which you want to remove) Aug 30 16:07:02 6. exit Aug 30 16:40:22 http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/30/htcs-android-driven-dream-revealed-in-glorious-spy-photos/ :) Aug 30 16:44:18 Miek, sweet! Aug 30 16:45:04 :D Aug 30 17:23:12 Oct 18 - in bangalore Aug 30 17:23:14 cool Aug 30 17:23:14 guys did you see the new dream pictures yet? Aug 30 17:23:24 laz: where? Aug 30 17:23:46 actual pictures leaked Aug 30 17:23:50 muthu: just before you joined :p Aug 30 17:23:52 its sexy Aug 30 17:23:54 http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/30/htcs-android-driven-dream-revealed-in-glorious-spy-photos/ Aug 30 17:23:55 http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/30/htcs-android-driven-dream-revealed-in-glorious-spy-photos/ Aug 30 17:23:59 lol Aug 30 17:24:01 checking.. Aug 30 17:25:08 looks good Aug 30 17:33:43 muthu, oct 18? what? Aug 30 17:53:35 grub: Oct 18, Google developer day in bangalore, India Aug 30 17:57:19 OOH DREAM PIX Aug 30 18:04:08 re Aug 30 18:05:30 romainguy: Sorry to bother you but do you know what works for audio-in on Mac? I have tried a number of things and search around quite a bit. Aug 30 18:05:39 no idea Aug 30 18:05:47 Ok thanks. Aug 30 18:06:14 The emulator crashes with a USB mic set up. Aug 30 18:06:38 Hello... does anyone know if there is going to be an IRC client for the Android platform? Aug 30 18:06:58 Seems like there is one. Aug 30 18:06:59 Kruton_Yessara: there are a few google code projects floating around Aug 30 18:07:27 I mean an IRC client that works on the Google Android platform Aug 30 18:07:29 http://www.helloandroid.com/search/node/irc Aug 30 18:14:39 man im getting more and more excited for android .. heh Aug 30 18:15:00 me too Aug 30 18:15:22 HTC is a great vendor... I love the form factor of those phones Aug 30 18:18:14 plusminus_: in london Aug 30 18:22:17 yo Aug 30 18:22:23 you all see the LIVE PICS of the HTC Dream? Aug 30 18:23:10 you're late again :x Aug 30 18:23:19 looks great Aug 30 18:26:58 i'm always late Aug 30 18:27:09 but i want to make sure nobody is later than me Aug 30 18:27:16 i believe its called "fashionably late" Aug 30 18:27:18 ;) Aug 30 18:29:32 the dream looks like a an ugly phone Aug 30 18:30:07 live pics? Aug 30 18:30:11 yeah Aug 30 18:30:16 http://phandroid.com/2008/08/30/htc-dream-live-pics/ Aug 30 18:31:02 *drools* Aug 30 18:32:22 HTC has some great form factor phones.. not sure why they could not choose something better Aug 30 18:32:35 it looks like a sidekick Aug 30 18:33:02 white looks better than I thought Aug 30 18:35:59 when the keyboard is exposed it looks like half the phone is missing Aug 30 18:36:23 i wish the display could have been larger.. i know that would affect power consumption though Aug 30 18:37:16 this phone looks kind of shitty if you ask me Aug 30 18:37:22 with the keyboard open Aug 30 18:37:31 that block of phone on the right of the keyboard Aug 30 18:37:33 ick Aug 30 18:37:42 probably annoying to hold/type with would be my guess Aug 30 18:37:46 plus it just looks weird Aug 30 18:37:47 maybe they are tricking us? Aug 30 18:37:51 i doubt it Aug 30 18:37:55 and will release something better Aug 30 18:38:03 i doubt it too Aug 30 18:38:03 i don't think so... Aug 30 18:38:04 :( Aug 30 18:38:22 but the good part is Q1 2009 we will probably see a bunch of Android Phones Aug 30 18:38:32 one can hope Aug 30 18:38:48 I care more about how Android Apps run on the Dream than the from/factor of the Dream in specific Aug 30 18:39:02 There will be plenty of Android enabled phones that look sexified up Aug 30 18:39:16 Keyboard is a great idea. After developing on the iPHone the pop up key board takes a lot of screen space. Not to mention the tips of my fingers are to big for the pop up keyboard. Aug 30 18:39:17 yeah that's the best part Aug 30 18:39:25 i think that chunk on the right will actually make it easy to type ... give the palm of your hand something to hold on to while you type .. unless you have baby hands Aug 30 18:39:41 we'll get both form + function Aug 30 18:39:45 DJTachyon yeah i was about to say, perhaps they know something that we don't Aug 30 18:39:51 "the chunk on the right"... lol that is what i was thnking about calling it Aug 30 18:40:10 I like the keyboard... i currently have an LG Voyager and I have to say it rocks Aug 30 18:40:35 although the Voyager is a clamshell... i liked the concept of the Samsung Glyde keyboard which slides... this looks like a nice combo of both Aug 30 18:41:11 I have the BB 8830 (http://na.blackberry.com/eng/devices/device-detail.jsp?navId=H0,C201,P463) great messaging phone.. but not much else Aug 30 18:41:57 is there going to be a demo of an android phone at the london dev day? Aug 30 18:42:53 that "trackball" looks more like the eraser nub of ibm thinkpads Aug 30 18:43:06 on the 8830? Aug 30 18:43:10 no Aug 30 18:43:13 the g1 Aug 30 18:43:49 doesnt look very trackball like Aug 30 18:44:00 the g1 just looks like it was designed by an engineer... not a designer. Aug 30 18:46:57 Hey .. I'm an engineer. Guess I'll have to get one ;) Aug 30 18:47:51 lol.. u know what i mean Aug 30 18:48:22 engineers = practical ; engineers != sexy Aug 30 19:00:40 Kruton_Yessara: it depends :) Aug 30 19:01:39 my wife is an engineer :P Aug 30 19:02:17 then she should have designed the HTC Dream. Aug 30 19:02:28 or maybe your wife isn't sexy Aug 30 19:02:31 :0 Aug 30 19:02:34 jk Aug 30 19:35:59 that keyboard is gonna be perfect for ssh ;) Aug 30 20:38:16 From the screens that are available now I wouldnt call the HTC phone a "dream". It is not really the "killer" design that I thought it could be. Aug 30 20:40:17 to be honest it looks like normal industry hardware design. Aug 30 20:46:55 hi! Aug 30 20:47:11 I just installed 0.9 SDK, but I cannot find the Api Demos... Aug 30 20:53:06 agreed anno^da_ Aug 30 20:54:22 I dont understand why they choose such a unsophisticated design for the first phone hitting the market. Aug 30 20:55:15 anno^da_, what do you want, a cow bell and a fold out coffee maker? Aug 30 20:56:22 sayers: Well what I want doesnt matter. It is just the point that 90% of the consumers look at the design aspect when they see the phone for the first time. Aug 30 20:56:37 yeah Aug 30 20:56:42 And HTC can built great looking phones. Aug 30 20:56:42 and what's wrong with the dream ? Aug 30 20:56:53 it looks nice and functional Aug 30 20:56:59 it's got a design proven to work. Aug 30 20:57:06 Well ok we can argue about the look. Aug 30 20:57:50 The Touch Pro looks good. The dream is ok but not really impressive. Aug 30 20:58:01 it has a keyboard; ) Aug 30 20:58:06 we like keyboards :D Aug 30 20:59:35 Yeah sure :). But in the end the keyboard is not everything. A Dell and a Macbook Pro have a keyboard as well but the difference in design is really really big. I dont know for sure it is very subjective. Aug 30 21:00:10 the dream isn't the only android phone Aug 30 21:00:28 It should appeal to the general public though who'd be interested in the android Aug 30 21:01:55 Yeah sure. Just thought that the first phone should be something pretty impressive. For sure the StreetView will impresse the people but not the hardware design. Aug 30 21:04:21 I thought the dream was cool :( Aug 30 21:04:31 But ok in the end it is subjective. And I have to wait for the real device. :) Aug 30 21:05:17 I'm just switching to the point of a normal user. I will definetly buy one cause I want to carry on developing. Aug 30 21:07:38 Perhaps it is the look of the UI which is not that polished as the iPhone oder Touch Pro interface. I don't know something seems to be there that lets the device look like a toy. But I'm not really sure what it is. Aug 30 21:12:18 "I think (hope) this is a "proof of concept" phone, so that the final one won't look so cheesy. Since this has been so built up, I would say they are going to make it much smoother and appealing for final production. This should just show its functionality." <- A lot of the readers still dont believe that this will be the phone which really hits the market. :) Aug 30 21:19:55 ugly http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/30/htcs-android-driven-dream-revealed-in-glorious-spy-photos/ Aug 30 21:19:59 do not want :) Aug 30 21:51:41 Anybody for some Android Merchandise? http://www.cafepress.com/djtachyon Aug 30 21:52:35 :D Aug 30 22:48:23 hello Aug 30 22:52:47 anybody know how to debug sql calls while instrumenting Aug 30 22:52:48 ? Aug 30 22:53:02 or printing the sqlbuilder query? Aug 30 23:00:18 where s the bug link again? Aug 30 23:05:29 found it Aug 30 23:21:30 Any thoughts on tethering the G1? Aug 30 23:22:55 DJTachyon, you are in the UK? Aug 30 23:50:15 is there any way to connect to the VM dalvik, to verify if there is instances of my application running ??? Aug 30 23:50:24 Thanks Folks! Aug 30 23:50:41 adb shell Aug 30 23:50:42 ps Aug 30 23:50:50 yxz97, you can also get that info from ddms Aug 30 23:52:49 gambler, how can I use the ddms ? Aug 30 23:53:39 are you using eclipse? Aug 30 23:53:44 yes Aug 30 23:53:59 Acsia, are talking with me = Aug 30 23:54:01 Acsia, are talking with me ? Aug 30 23:54:09 Window -> open perspective -> DDMS Aug 30 23:54:15 yxz97 yes Aug 30 23:55:15 Acsia, so easy eclipse heee ;-) Aug 30 23:55:20 Acsia, thank you Aug 30 23:55:29 np Aug 30 23:57:25 android.intent.action.MAIN could be called is.anyone.here.BIKE Aug 30 23:57:42 I mean, really no matter its meaning, or does ? Aug 30 23:58:50 package names do't matter. That name is pretty descriptive though. Aug 30 23:59:18 s/do't/don't Aug 30 23:59:50 I mean, here, sorry: Aug 31 00:00:09 followed by : Aug 31 00:00:48 so: android.intent.category.LAUNCHER has no sense could be evil.wil.die.some.day for example ? Aug 31 00:15:08 HELLOOO!!! Aug 31 00:16:25 gambler, excuse me am I right ? Aug 31 00:19:47 ohh ok...so Aug 31 00:19:57 good night folks! Aug 31 00:47:09 anybody been playing around with custom cursors? Aug 31 00:49:15 I've got a friend who was, I don't think he had much luck though Aug 31 01:27:36 I'm trying to do: Intent int = new Intent(); int.setLaunchFlags(Intent.NEW_TASK_LAUNCH);, however I see nothing in the migration guide: http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m5-0.9/changes-overview.html Aug 31 01:27:55 about how migrate this or at least options! Aug 31 01:32:08 SanMehat, hello ? Aug 31 01:32:13 ChanServ, hello ? Aug 31 01:32:19 !help Aug 31 01:34:13 Dougie187, help! Aug 31 01:34:18 Whats up? Aug 31 01:34:41 I'm trying to do: Intent int = new Intent(); int.setLaunchFlags(Intent.NEW_TASK_LAUNCH);, however I see nothing in the migration guide: http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m5-0.9/changes-overview.html Aug 31 01:34:47 i don't think iv'e ever been pounced on like that before. Aug 31 01:34:48 Dougie187, I'm trying to do: Intent int = new Intent(); int.setLaunchFlags(Intent.NEW_TASK_LAUNCH);, however I see nothing in the migration guide: http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m5-0.9/changes-overview.html Aug 31 01:35:04 yeah im probably not the best person to ask for help... Aug 31 01:35:08 Dougie187, are your a newbie, or junior ? Aug 31 01:35:20 eh i haven't really messed with the sdk too much Aug 31 01:35:28 i'd say... im more like a lazy ass troll. Aug 31 01:35:44 find a job so Aug 31 01:35:48 Dougie187, find a job so Aug 31 01:35:56 what? Aug 31 01:36:13 Dougie187, Do you required a design ? Aug 31 01:36:23 i don't know what you mean. Aug 31 01:36:26 Dougie187, or a draw ????? Aug 31 01:37:18 ... Aug 31 01:37:23 where are you from? Aug 31 01:38:04 Dougie187, why ??? Aug 31 01:38:18 just curious. Aug 31 01:38:24 i think there is a bit of a language barrier. Aug 31 01:38:44 I would say too much... Aug 31 01:39:01 eh. Aug 31 01:39:03 What means lazy ass troll ? Aug 31 01:39:22 an blame ? Aug 31 01:39:31 are you blaming ? Aug 31 01:39:34 well, a troll would be someone who just hangs out in the room. and doesn't really do a whole lot. Aug 31 01:39:34 humm ??? Aug 31 01:39:38 no, im just making fun of myself. Aug 31 01:39:55 ok..no problem so. Aug 31 01:39:58 are you from USA ? Aug 31 01:40:01 Lazy ass just means, that I am extremely lazy. Aug 31 01:40:02 yeah Aug 31 01:40:03 I'm from Costa Rica. Aug 31 01:40:05 i am from the USA Aug 31 01:40:06 oh ok Aug 31 01:40:16 what time is there ? Aug 31 01:40:18 now, with your thing. what is the issue with it? Aug 31 01:40:21 9:40pm Aug 31 01:40:30 here is 7:33 ...USA is so big. Aug 31 01:41:00 heh yeah. Aug 31 01:41:08 I'm following a tutorial an they put a pair of lines that has been changed in the last released of Android SDK Aug 31 01:41:10 you're on mountain time then? Aug 31 01:41:21 I do not know.. Aug 31 01:41:35 I know, East time, central time, mountain time, ? Aug 31 01:41:40 ok. what is the tutorial you are trying to follow? Aug 31 01:41:48 and pacific time...I think.. :S Aug 31 01:41:49 mountain time is between central and pacific. Aug 31 01:42:01 pacific time is 3 hours behind eastern. so its 6:40 there. Aug 31 01:42:04 Android for newbies.. Like me :-D Aug 31 01:42:15 heh Aug 31 01:42:19 can you give a link? Aug 31 01:42:24 yeah, so big see, 3 hours! wow Aug 31 01:42:38 they have a little more of sun. Aug 31 01:42:41 proabably Aug 31 01:42:52 is a book Aug 31 01:42:55 oh. Aug 31 01:43:13 They do something like: ntent startActivity = new Intent(); Aug 31 01:43:30 ok Aug 31 01:43:40 startActivity.setLaunchFlags(Intent.NEW_TASK_LAUNCH); startActivity.setAction("com.apress.START_THE_MUSIC"); context.startActivity(startActivity);} Aug 31 01:43:57 but is outofdate..... Aug 31 01:44:10 the API has changed, and I cannot get how migrate this lines. Aug 31 01:44:12 just that. Aug 31 01:44:20 I looked at : http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m5-0.9/changes-overview.html Aug 31 01:44:30 with the idea to get something useful. Aug 31 01:44:33 but. nothing Aug 31 01:44:37 so, I'm lost Aug 31 01:44:40 ok Aug 31 01:44:42 :S Aug 31 01:44:50 how old are you ' Aug 31 01:44:51 Do you know what has changed in the last SDK? Aug 31 01:44:56 or like what you are looking for? Aug 31 01:44:58 but are you an Android Developer ? Aug 31 01:45:01 i am 23. Aug 31 01:45:06 and no, not currently. Aug 31 01:45:16 an why are you here so ?? Aug 31 01:45:28 I have an application that I want to write, but the reason I called myself lazy was because I haven't gotten around to it yet. Aug 31 01:46:04 and what are you waitinf for ?? Aug 31 01:46:07 and what are you waitinfg for ?? Aug 31 01:46:09 and what are you waiting for ?? Aug 31 01:46:13 ohh god Aug 31 01:46:17 lol Aug 31 01:46:24 nothing really. Aug 31 01:46:27 just being lazy. Aug 31 01:46:28 miss types, freak me :S Aug 31 01:46:33 yeah it happens. Aug 31 01:46:51 well,, good talk ...I would like solved this now...so bye dude Aug 31 01:48:06 heh ill let you know if i find anything. Aug 31 02:29:59 what the fruck'n frack is that guy talking about? Aug 31 02:31:03 chomchom, what ? Aug 31 02:31:12 chomchom, is with me, the matter ?? Aug 31 02:32:04 can I help man, you seem to be running around in a panic Aug 31 02:32:11 what are you working on? Aug 31 02:35:14 are you trying to work through the apress essentials book by chance? Aug 31 02:38:03 startActivity.setLaunchFlags(int) has been replaced with addFlags(int) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 31 02:59:56 2008