**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 17 02:59:57 2008 Sep 17 03:14:32 ttuttle: hey; have a question? Sep 17 03:16:48 where would one go if they had a question, is the android google group more active? Sep 17 03:17:39 here is fine, there are plenty of knowledgeable people here. Sep 17 03:18:19 I have a question actually, if I write OpenGL code in android, what are the chances that would auto-compile against JSR239 Sep 17 03:18:37 It says the systems are not identical but similiar Sep 17 03:22:34 very little i would think Sep 17 03:22:38 if you abstract it enough, maybe Sep 17 03:22:48 but doesn't excessive abstraction hurt high-perf 3D stuff ;) Sep 17 03:24:10 gambler: well it's OpenGL ES 1.1 basically on Android Sep 17 03:24:42 but for instance you won't find many of the methods based on float/double parameters Sep 17 03:25:32 ok. So the Canvas examples in Customised Component Examples is that OpenGL or something else Sep 17 03:26:14 Canvas is the 2D API Sep 17 03:27:42 ok I see. Sep 17 03:28:52 romainguy, did you know about droiddraw.org? Sep 17 03:28:57 yes Sep 17 03:29:07 is android going to upgrade to java 7? Sep 17 03:29:16 I found that pretty handy Sep 17 03:29:24 when it becomes available Sep 17 03:29:53 is there any info on java7 ? Sep 17 03:29:59 I think so Sep 17 03:30:22 im looking forward to java 7 .. it will be 100% free, and the jnlp support will work with 64bit etc Sep 17 03:30:25 Android probably won't remain "as it is" Sep 17 03:30:51 Java rulez Sep 17 03:30:52 so finally the "write once run anyware" paradigm.. might actually start to be slightly more truthful Sep 17 03:30:58 Java == Productivity Sep 17 03:31:18 and we'll see equivalent functionality in mac/linux/windows .. and hopefully mobile platforms to Sep 17 03:41:01 It's almost christmas gang! Sep 17 03:42:03 Unfortunately though, I have to wait for #2 Sprint to release me gPhone Sep 17 03:44:56 meanwhile if anyone knows when i'll be able to use an android phone in australia any time soon.. please let me know Sep 17 03:45:00 legit or otherwise ;) Sep 17 03:46:58 snadge, how could it be illegit Sep 17 03:48:42 snadge, Three has a 3G $39 6GB/month deal. They will allow you to do it no contracts. so you can run any handset on mobile broadband. Sep 17 03:50:48 gambler: hopefully the pricing in the US is near as competetive. Sep 17 03:51:39 likely tmobile will launch 3g on the same date as the android release. Sep 17 03:52:46 get onewithout a plan Sep 17 03:52:56 *contract Sep 17 03:53:05 i pay $25/mo for my `unlimited` data plan Sep 17 03:53:12 i hear iphone lusers pay $30/mo ? Sep 17 03:53:14 for the same thing Sep 17 03:54:05 iphone users I believe are locked into buying a voice plan with data add on. Sep 17 03:54:17 yea Sep 17 03:54:17 (in the US) Sep 17 03:54:27 + all applicable taxes on BOTH services. Sep 17 03:54:33 elijah you better wait long and hard for sprint Sep 17 03:54:38 it's still bleeding at the knees Sep 17 04:07:50 f00f-: tell me more Sep 17 04:10:00 they need to get their act together Sep 17 04:10:03 in terms of service, etc. Sep 17 04:10:10 infra rollout for wimax Sep 17 05:03:22 f00f-: i see, i am sure android will be succesful without that for now Sep 17 05:12:43 we'll see Sep 17 05:13:56 gambler: i know that IF i can unlock a us based android phone.. i can use it in australia, with like you say, Three as an example Sep 17 05:14:21 the question really is.. how difficult is it going to be to unlock the htc dream Sep 17 05:15:04 because if its going to insist upon only connecting to tmobile (for example) .. then that is going to be of no use at all to anyone in australia Sep 17 05:18:47 with google driving this, I have to assume they will be anti-simlocking Sep 17 05:19:09 gambler: not true, to get distribution they have to agree to some concessions. Sep 17 05:19:09 no 3G gabmler down there Sep 17 05:19:11 thats what i thought.. but apparently not Sep 17 05:19:34 f00f-, haha Sep 17 05:20:17 im going to use htc and tmobile as examples.. but lets look at it this way.. htc will know how to unsimlock using their own phones.. its the mobile carriers, eg t-mobile.. that stipulate that the sim must be locked to their network Sep 17 05:20:48 snadge: the easier alternative is to just buy an unlocked dream and put android on it. Sep 17 05:20:51 no Sep 17 05:21:03 yes.. but will there be "unlocked" dreams for sale Sep 17 05:21:07 the phone is locked to a network list of (MCC, MNC) tuplets Sep 17 05:21:10 or will tmobile have exclusivity on that Sep 17 05:21:34 unix_infidel, android is a game changer. they arent looking to suck up to these carriers Sep 17 05:21:50 i dont care if i have to pay $2000 for the phone.. if it means i own it outright and its unlocked.. whether it will be an option to purchase them outright, i would like to know Sep 17 05:21:51 maybe in the backwards U.S. cellular market but outside there Sep 17 05:21:53 gambler: we're all speculating, only the @'s know what's going on. Sep 17 05:21:56 im skeptical Sep 17 05:22:00 yep Sep 17 05:22:44 i understand that locking into a network is done.. so that they can give you a cheaper phone initially.. and recoup the loss on that over time Sep 17 05:22:45 gambler, android isn't a game changer Sep 17 05:22:46 f00f-, the phone is locked? Sep 17 05:22:47 there's certainly a market for an open well designed handset that works. Sep 17 05:22:53 its open, if someone wants to lock a phone down, they can Sep 17 05:23:00 if android fills that void, so be it. Sep 17 05:23:19 gambler the subsidized versions Sep 17 05:23:34 duey, I think the philosophy of where mobiles in general are going is a game changer. We are moving to commodity platforms like i386 PCs instead of specialty devices Sep 17 05:23:37 gigaom, TC have all covered the challenges, it's up to google to respond, and they usually put a up a good fight. Sep 17 05:23:38 what it sounds like .. is there will be no option to buy android based phones outright.. inititially.. until such time elapses and everyone has android phones Sep 17 05:23:41 its just the nature of a scale economy Sep 17 05:24:04 duey, IBM PC was a massive game changer because it standardised so much Sep 17 05:24:25 it also sounds like the US market is more draconian than others Sep 17 05:24:36 maybe, but I doubt you will find android running on an iphone :) Sep 17 05:24:41 always will be in some segments. Sep 17 05:24:51 too much profit to be had. Sep 17 05:25:04 but what do I know, i'm barely past the drinking age :-P Sep 17 05:25:07 IBM was a long time ago and they had pretty big market share Sep 17 05:25:07 yes well come november.. things will change in washington Sep 17 05:25:13 the phone market share is spread Sep 17 05:25:14 duey, true dat Sep 17 05:25:20 google and microsoft have both invested a lot of money into barack obama :P Sep 17 05:25:28 http://www.canon.com/moon/en/ \o/ Sep 17 05:25:38 yeah if obama doesn't win ill never go to usa! Sep 17 05:25:46 so america could become communist like the rest of europe ;) Sep 17 05:26:00 romainguy, was that ic of the moon taken with that camera? Sep 17 05:26:02 pic Sep 17 05:26:10 it's the new Canon 5D Sep 17 05:26:13 3 years in the waiting Sep 17 05:26:17 *finally* Sep 17 05:26:26 own it yet? Sep 17 05:26:33 no it's been announced today Sep 17 05:26:40 how much does it cost Sep 17 05:27:27 $2,600 Sep 17 05:27:32 snadge, whats wrong with being less corrupt and free healthcare? Sep 17 05:27:38 not to bad Sep 17 05:28:10 argh Sep 17 05:28:12 21 Mpixls Sep 17 05:28:15 Mpixels Sep 17 05:28:18 way too much :(( Sep 17 05:28:26 you will have to get a new computer Sep 17 05:28:34 lightroom might crash Sep 17 05:28:43 I have 8 GB of RAM :) Sep 17 05:28:47 only?!:D Sep 17 05:28:52 but that requires lots of storage Sep 17 05:28:57 and I need a bigger screen now ^^ Sep 17 05:29:00 haha Sep 17 05:29:05 quad 30'' Sep 17 05:29:30 only 3.9 images Sep 17 05:29:31 duey: im a lefty liberal communist hippy myself.. i dont see the problem Sep 17 05:29:32 image/s Sep 17 05:29:34 L(( Sep 17 05:29:50 snadge, oh good :) Sep 17 05:29:51 i think most people who support the concept of free software, generally are Sep 17 05:30:34 imo usa is less free than many Sep 17 05:30:47 I think things like free healthcare allow people to be more free Sep 17 05:30:54 and less tied down to corperates Sep 17 05:31:06 you kidding.. the US is so free, they can invade other countries without even consulting the rest of the world ;) Sep 17 05:31:13 yeah well Sep 17 05:31:22 free healthcare is gay. try living in canada and waiting forever to see a doctor. trust me its not fun. Sep 17 05:31:36 at least you get to see one Sep 17 05:31:41 well maybe canada should take lessons from the free healthcare in australia Sep 17 05:31:42 works in France :) Sep 17 05:32:07 waiting for an hour to see a doctor aint that bad Sep 17 05:32:15 i think its funny.. australia.. like the most insignificant english speaking country on the planet.. except for maybe new zealand Sep 17 05:32:22 wow 30 fps 1080p video recording Sep 17 05:32:22 and even new zealand has free health care Sep 17 05:32:24 and also its not like if you are dying they leave you there Sep 17 05:32:28 im from nz Sep 17 05:32:32 i think that the market needs to be more competitive. Let more companies practice medicine and publish statistics on their effectiveness Sep 17 05:32:39 die in a fire snadge :D! Sep 17 05:32:40 romainguy__: you seen the RED camera? Sep 17 05:32:46 umdk1d3: nope? Sep 17 05:32:51 lol duey.. i have a youtube video to show you, one sec Sep 17 05:32:53 ooh! /me links Sep 17 05:32:59 invasion ? Sep 17 05:33:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA Sep 17 05:33:19 romainguy__: first post there http://homepage.mac.com/maxwax11/iblog/ Sep 17 05:33:34 snadge, the australian version of health care I think works pretty well. Sep 17 05:33:40 its titled "Beached Whale" .. and its hilarious :p Sep 17 05:33:46 snadge, thats not purely free though Sep 17 05:33:58 umdk1d3: ah yes, well the 5D records 1080p at 30 fps through the lens :) Sep 17 05:34:05 its free if you're poor Sep 17 05:34:20 but you have to pay for it kinda if you make some decent coin Sep 17 05:34:22 and in that situation.. who cares? Sep 17 05:34:31 if i go to a doctor but not much Sep 17 05:34:32 $15 Sep 17 05:34:34 er Sep 17 05:34:38 i pay to see a doctor Sep 17 05:34:42 $15 Sep 17 05:34:46 GP that is Sep 17 05:34:51 even on 70k.. i can go to a doctor and get bulk billed.. ie, free consultation Sep 17 05:34:56 thats smart because some people are hypochondriacs and abuse the free visit system Sep 17 05:35:00 duey, what country? Sep 17 05:35:03 nz Sep 17 05:35:03 romainguy__: true but the red just looks insane http://www.red.com/cameras Sep 17 05:35:09 it does :) Sep 17 05:35:24 duey: tell me what you think of beached whale :p Sep 17 05:35:27 just a tad more annoying to travel with ^^ Sep 17 05:35:29 its not playing properly Sep 17 05:35:42 sec ill try another browser chrome fails it on utube sometimes Sep 17 05:36:51 sux that it can't record in RAW Sep 17 05:36:54 that's a no go Sep 17 05:37:02 f00f-: what can't? Sep 17 05:37:12 f00f-: the RED does 24fps RAW ;) Sep 17 05:37:13 the new canon 20 mpx Sep 17 05:37:18 umdk1d3: i'm sold Sep 17 05:37:27 you mean RAW video? Sep 17 05:37:29 yep Sep 17 05:37:42 it's not a video camera :) Sep 17 05:37:48 so it kinda makes sense that it's not doing that Sep 17 05:37:58 it probably doesn't have the memory and CPU to do it anyway Sep 17 05:38:01 snadge, seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIppqNePdM Sep 17 05:38:09 but it does MPEG-4 on the fly :P Sep 17 05:38:28 that's a lot less data to write ^^ Sep 17 05:39:11 mmm mpeg4 /shudder/ Sep 17 05:39:35 cant stand single pass encodes lol Sep 17 05:39:35 sucks I can't take this new 5D with me on my vacation at the end of the week ^^ Sep 17 05:39:45 where you going romain Sep 17 05:39:56 roadtrip in the southwest Sep 17 05:40:18 oh my Sep 17 05:40:19 ltns Sep 17 05:40:26 ooh cacti Sep 17 05:40:29 gonna eat some cajun chicken Sep 17 05:57:22 duey: hehe Sep 17 06:26:46 romainguy__: you shoot Canon? Sep 17 06:27:19 I do Sep 17 06:29:05 cool; what do you shoot with? Sep 17 06:29:45 currently a 30D Sep 17 06:29:59 ::nod:: Sep 17 06:30:06 what sorts of lenses? Sep 17 06:30:30 50mm f/1.4, 17-40mm f/4 L, 24-70mm f/2.8 L and 70-200mm f/4 L Sep 17 06:31:11 eenteresteenk Sep 17 06:31:16 do you shoot a lot of people? Sep 17 06:31:23 not really Sep 17 06:31:29 mostly landscapes Sep 17 06:31:43 you can see my photos at http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy Sep 17 06:33:07 romain what are your travel lenses Sep 17 06:33:17 the ones I just said :) Sep 17 06:33:29 ALL ? Sep 17 06:33:32 what more do you have then Sep 17 06:33:37 that's all Sep 17 06:33:44 oh so you travel loaded :P Sep 17 06:33:48 hehe Sep 17 06:35:37 romainguy__: very nice Sep 17 06:40:47 this convo doesnt look good out of context Sep 17 12:47:50 is it possible to download the api or other documentation for android for offline viewing? Sep 17 13:01:19 acemo: in your sdk directory /docs Sep 17 14:00:53 hi guys. what is the best way to push an event (e.g. "start syncing") to an android device? Sep 17 15:02:35 morrildl: it would be more useful, if more apps (for example the wiki) were ported to the new 0.9 sdk. Sep 17 15:09:06 challenging, but the truth: http://androidguys.com/?p=1619 Sep 17 15:10:23 here here, albeit a bit opportunistic Sep 17 15:58:32 http://androidguys.com/wp-content/uploads/dream_fantasy.jpg Sep 17 15:58:48 please get this phone out with Android :-) Sep 17 16:02:03 anno^da-: what is that? a fan-made render? Sep 17 16:02:40 I have to admit, it looks sleek, even though my dream phone would have some face buttons (and a retractable keyboard is an absolute must) Sep 17 16:03:46 loke: It is the new HTC Touch HD Sep 17 16:03:54 With Windows Mobile :/ Sep 17 16:04:00 anno^da-: hmm... is there a keyboard hiding underneath? Sep 17 16:04:19 I cant believe they will release the leaked Dream we know from the pics Sep 17 16:04:39 hmm dont know let me see Sep 17 16:04:50 anno^da-: sorry... I've always liked the HTV hardware, but the windows ce based os... man... it's such a travesty. I had the misfortune of having to use a motorola one for a few weeks when I was on a trip. Sep 17 16:04:58 man, what a total didaster that thing is Sep 17 16:05:19 anno^da-: why can't you brlieve? Sep 17 16:06:49 the only thing stopping it from being on the touch HD is drivers. Sep 17 16:06:55 After all the great designs in the last years I dont believe that they will start the whole Android "project" with such an ugly device. Sep 17 16:07:19 Well let me say I dont want to believe it. Sep 17 16:07:23 I think the design is qite nice, except for the botton blob with the buttons Sep 17 16:07:37 Well it doesnt look polished at all. Sep 17 16:07:54 well that's true... Are you saying that you think it's a prototype enclosure? Sep 17 16:08:52 Well I really hope so Sep 17 16:08:59 So Im out now ;) Sep 17 16:09:27 hah... well, we still have a few days to hope Sep 17 16:09:34 before our dreams are shattered Sep 17 16:10:27 all I can say is that I stopped using my iPhone a while ago :)) Sep 17 16:10:36 :D Sep 17 16:10:37 Android's features are definitely, in my opinion, worth it Sep 17 16:10:42 romainguy_I have never really been impressed with the ihpone Sep 17 16:11:11 romainguy_: But the normal consumer will look at the design. Or not? So is it final? :D Sep 17 16:11:17 a few colleagues have it, and I must say that seeing them try to use IM-apps, or IRC-clients or SSH-clients is quite tragic Sep 17 16:11:35 the phone rings, or they want to check the address book and they lose all connections Sep 17 16:11:41 anno^da-: We haven't announced any phone yet :) Sep 17 16:12:03 one of them use an app that has some sync functionality... of course he can't do anything else while the damn thing syncs Sep 17 16:12:24 anno^da-: romainguy_ works for HTC? Sep 17 16:12:43 romainguy_: Grrr :D Sep 17 16:12:50 loke: no, for Google Sep 17 16:13:03 romainguy_: oh Sep 17 16:13:16 romainguy_: I'm looking forwar to the day you can tell us :D After the release :-) Sep 17 16:13:16 so he's not in taiwan then :-) Sep 17 16:14:08 romainguy_: care to tell us when there is a new SDK coming out? The current version odesn't run on a 32-bit intel mac Sep 17 16:14:24 loke: on a 32 bits intel mac?? Sep 17 16:14:28 (my macmini at home is 32-bit) and it's incredibly unstable on my macbook air Sep 17 16:14:32 yes Sep 17 16:14:35 I use a 32 bits Intel Mac to work on Android Sep 17 16:14:36 the Core Duo based ones Sep 17 16:14:44 well, it doesn't work at all on mine Sep 17 16:14:52 what doesn't work? Sep 17 16:15:00 works on the air (albeit unstably), so I assumed it was because of the 32-bitness Sep 17 16:15:05 hold, i'll tell you Sep 17 16:15:22 I#m using it everyday on a 32 intel mac and it is stunning stable Sep 17 16:15:33 anno^da-: macmini? Sep 17 16:15:40 apart from the emulator, there's nothing native in the SDK Sep 17 16:15:51 well, it was the emulator that failed Sep 17 16:15:52 (and adb and aapt :) Sep 17 16:15:54 I use a Macbook 13", it runs fine Sep 17 16:15:54 ah Sep 17 16:15:57 hold. i'm re-downloading Sep 17 16:16:02 that's why I wouldn't know, I don't use the emulator anymore Sep 17 16:16:42 romainguy_you just push to the device to test? Sep 17 16:16:44 romainguy_: not even fr development? are you saying that there is a develpmemt workflow to the real phone that is so smooth that you don't need the emulator? Sep 17 16:16:58 that would be amazing. Sep 17 16:17:02 unix_lappy: agreed Sep 17 16:17:20 when I did J2ME development, the emulator was a complete must Sep 17 16:17:20 loke: that's right Sep 17 16:17:33 romainguy_: wow... wired via USB? Sep 17 16:17:35 I've been working on the framework and apps without the emulator for 6 months now Sep 17 16:17:48 nerds commence salivating. Sep 17 16:18:10 romainguy_so... for a hello world app, how long time from pressing build until you have the app running on the device? Sep 17 16:19:01 Can I plaste 7 lines? or can someone suggest a pastebot? Sep 17 16:19:05 You can do on the device everything you can do on the emulator, it just takes a few seconds more to start at worse Sep 17 16:19:10 it takes 4 or 5 seconds on my MacPro Sep 17 16:19:24 romainguy_: woah Sep 17 16:19:33 loke: for me too Sep 17 16:19:45 max of 6 seconds Sep 17 16:19:47 romainguy_: that's sweet... Can I assume it'll work that way for me as well once I get the commercial device? Sep 17 16:20:10 it depends on your computer for the compile time Sep 17 16:20:17 but it's a fairly smooth process Sep 17 16:20:43 So I'm out now. :-) Have a nice day guys. Sep 17 16:20:46 romainguy___: when we will be able to use apps like mail and a calender with the sdk? Sep 17 16:20:50 here Sep 17 16:20:50 http://paste.lisp.org/display/67011 Sep 17 16:21:00 that's the error I get when trying to run on my macmini (10.5.5) Sep 17 16:21:14 hemp77: the SDK will probably remain as it is Sep 17 16:22:21 romainguy___: ok.. but the first devices will include such standard apps, or will they be written by third party companies? Sep 17 16:22:36 you'll see when the devices are announced Sep 17 16:23:57 romainguy___: ok, ok ;-) Sep 17 16:24:42 I ran t in the debugger, and it seems like it's crashing in the audio initialisation? Sep 17 16:24:43 http://paste.lisp.org/display/67011#1 Sep 17 16:24:48 any advice? Sep 17 16:32:15 Worst day EVER Sep 17 16:32:36 My GMAIL, Yahoo Mail, Paypal were all HACKED when I woke up Sep 17 16:42:21 omfg, devices, PLURAL! Sep 17 16:42:54 lol Sep 17 16:43:42 * unix_lappy emails gizmodo! Sep 17 16:44:22 that Touch HD looks like a fantastic headset, though, hopefully it's made the shortlist. Sep 17 17:10:15 deviceS? =D Sep 17 17:10:40 well there was that at+t rumor Sep 17 17:11:36 at+t and foxconn http://androidcommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513 Sep 17 17:12:00 does anyone recognize that red swirl logo in the status bar? Sep 17 17:12:35 if it wasnt for that odd logo, i would cry 'shopped Sep 17 17:12:49 also the "PM" is unnaturally streched Sep 17 17:13:19 oh but yea good point further down that thread: neither at+t nor foxconn are part of OHA Sep 17 17:13:19 That's where the battery icon should be. Sep 17 17:13:38 so is that the dead battery icon? Sep 17 17:13:42 I can't remember what it looks like when the battery is almost dead. Sep 17 17:13:54 * umdk1d3 jumps into frameworkres Sep 17 17:14:46 The red swirl is the icon indicating low battery. Sep 17 17:15:25 Don't interpret that as a confirmation of rumors. We don't comment on rumors Sep 17 17:15:33 yep there we go http://umdk1d3.mine.nu/dump/dead.png Sep 17 17:15:57 just looked like a swirl from that angle Sep 17 17:16:18 stat_sys_battery_0 icon Sep 17 17:18:01 If that picture is real, maybe they don't have battery status working on that HW yet. Sep 17 17:18:30 oh true Sep 17 17:19:01 out of all the manuf in the oha, which one does that handset look like? Sep 17 17:19:50 i cant tell if that one would have a keyboard Sep 17 17:49:08 when's the market launch? Sep 17 17:51:35 http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2008/09/15/daily38.html Sep 17 17:54:20 I know those guys. Sep 17 17:54:34 met rylan the other day. Sep 17 17:54:56 oh awesome Sep 17 17:55:04 gocart is pretty cool Sep 17 17:55:16 yea, did they change the name in the last week or so? Sep 17 17:55:24 lol Sep 17 17:55:31 yes :) Sep 17 17:55:33 I believe they did Sep 17 17:55:40 oh ok.. then i'm right Sep 17 17:56:00 morrildl, when the market launch? Sep 17 17:56:19 need to get the app ready.. on time for market Sep 17 17:56:41 With devices Sep 17 17:56:59 ok.. so in october Sep 17 17:57:17 good, give us some time to develop Sep 17 17:57:27 s/give/gives Sep 17 17:59:18 morrildl: 'market' updates the client version when we update the ones on the "market-servers" ? Sep 17 17:59:28 ... of our apps Sep 17 17:59:59 so we do not need to consider a kind of self-updating? Sep 17 18:00:41 plusminus_, the update is more like reinstall Sep 17 18:01:48 yeah doesn"t matter in the end Sep 17 18:01:57 except databases/prefs Sep 17 18:02:36 don't think they would wipe data Sep 17 18:07:48 We aren't yet sure whether automatic updates will be used. There are pros and cons and technical considerations that we are working through. Sep 17 18:08:56 hmm Sep 17 18:09:12 then the apps need to sync the client data with server.. to be safe Sep 17 18:14:55 muthu: it depends on the mechanism Sep 17 18:15:07 by definition, an uninstall wipes all application data; a reinstall does not Sep 17 18:15:18 morrildl: are you gonna be at the thing on tuesday? Sep 17 18:15:28 that is directly equivalent to 'adb uninstall ' vs. 'adb install -r ' Sep 17 18:15:38 Dougie187: yes Sep 17 18:16:01 sounds like fun. Sep 17 18:16:07 are you excited for it? Sep 17 18:16:53 ok, if its reinstall then no issues Sep 17 18:17:06 Dougie187: Press events are always a mixed bag :) Sep 17 18:17:17 ...at least, for an engineer ;) Sep 17 18:17:22 lol Sep 17 18:17:28 well.. do you know when the next sdk is coming out? Sep 17 18:17:34 Personally I just hope there's food somewhere Sep 17 18:17:34 supposed to be this month right? Sep 17 18:17:36 hehheh Sep 17 18:17:41 I do know. Sep 17 18:17:41 Im sure you will get some food. Sep 17 18:17:42 lol Sep 17 18:18:09 I take it by your very informative answer that you can't tell when its supposed to come out? Sep 17 18:18:14 ;) Sep 17 18:18:38 Actually there's not much mystery, really Sep 17 18:18:43 Do you know if you guys will still keep secrets like this after android is actually out? Sep 17 18:18:56 It's being actively worked on and we hope to get it out quite soon Sep 17 18:18:57 It's in QA Sep 17 18:19:05 But I don't have an exact date for you Sep 17 18:19:10 better to not rush it Sep 17 18:19:14 true. Sep 17 18:19:15 http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/t-mobile-g1-said-to-be-landing-october-17th-sprint-android-phon/ Sep 17 18:19:18 thats pretty cool. Sep 17 18:19:19 lol Sep 17 18:19:45 Dougie187: the Roadmap we published will become increasingly detailed about this sort of thing, yeah Sep 17 18:19:53 thats cool. Sep 17 18:20:30 are you excited to release android finally? Sep 17 18:21:12 I am incandescent even at this moment Sep 17 18:21:19 We all are :) Sep 17 18:21:51 well thats always good. Sep 17 18:22:59 probably like getting a child ;) *unexperienced in getting children* Sep 17 18:23:31