**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 27 02:59:57 2008
Sep 27 03:09:31 <dcode> this is more of a Java question, I guess....but how do I access "this" of an outer class?
Sep 27 03:11:27 <_avatar> dcode: OuterClass.this
Sep 27 03:12:11 <wastrel> i need to learn java i guess :]
Sep 27 03:12:13 <dcode> oh...nice...I thought they were just using that as an example
Sep 27 03:12:14 <dcode> thanks
Sep 27 04:12:05 <gdsx> illuminum: #chromium-linux
Sep 27 04:20:45 <plusminus_> guys, guess how long this single COnstructor call takes:
Sep 27 04:21:10 <plusminus_> URL u = new URL("http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Tiles/tile/1/1/1.png");
Sep 27 04:21:14 <plusminus_> wtf
Sep 27 04:21:21 <plusminus_> over 100ms !
Sep 27 05:21:24 <illuminum> hey can someone quickly tell me what to click to rotate the handset
Sep 27 05:21:26 <illuminum> in the sdk
Sep 27 05:21:44 <muthu_> ctrl f12
Sep 27 05:21:47 <muthu_> in linux
Sep 27 05:21:54 <illuminum> aye thankee
Sep 27 05:22:02 <illuminum> works
Sep 27 05:22:24 <illuminum> its too bad you can't have the best of both worlds... eclipse ide and gvim
Sep 27 05:22:43 <illuminum> i downloaded a vim plugin for eclipse once and even paid for it but it was ultra shoddy
Sep 27 05:23:01 <muthu_> there must be some free plugins
Sep 27 05:23:25 <illuminum> i doubt any integrate seamlessly
Sep 27 05:23:49 <illuminum> i just have to learn to not type automatically :w every 2 minutes
Sep 27 05:24:00 <illuminum> or /s to search
Sep 27 05:29:31 <dcode> illuminum: I read that they're working on a modal editor based on vim in the next Eclipse release
Sep 27 05:31:24 <dcode> err...scratch that....that was in KDevelop
Sep 27 05:31:27 <dcode> :-/  my bad
Sep 27 06:04:52 * umdk1d3 rolls into town
Sep 27 06:05:31 <umdk1d3> SanMehat: you around?
Sep 27 06:47:40 <Systm> Woo blackberry access on irc, win!
Sep 27 06:49:44 <Systm> Anyone active?
Sep 27 14:57:02 <ttuttle> Good morning.
Sep 27 16:17:47 <umdk1d3> mmmm
Sep 27 16:22:56 <Acsia> k
Sep 27 16:24:44 <ulmen> i disagree
Sep 27 16:25:21 <Acsia> i disintegrate
Sep 27 16:26:50 <ulmen> nothing duct tape can't fix
Sep 27 16:29:49 * umdk1d3 ponders duct tape
Sep 27 16:29:50 <Acsia> can duct tape fix duct tape?
Sep 27 16:29:55 <ttuttle> yes
Sep 27 16:30:11 <umdk1d3> what about anti-duct-tape?
Sep 27 16:30:28 <Acsia> can duct tape fix the large haldron collider?
Sep 27 16:30:51 <umdk1d3> the lhc is approximately 48% duct tape
Sep 27 16:30:57 <Acsia> lol
Sep 27 16:31:15 <umdk1d3> therefore this new corrolary follows from earlier proof that dct tape can fix duct tape
Sep 27 16:31:28 <Acsia> if the lhc creates a blackhole, lets just duct tape it
Sep 27 16:31:39 <umdk1d3> loool
Sep 27 16:32:12 <umdk1d3> what if the parallel universe on the other side of the black hole patches their side with anti duct tape?
Sep 27 16:32:18 <umdk1d3> would it explode and close the hole?
Sep 27 16:36:37 * Acsia calling Dr Stephen Hawking  via IRC to get further views on duct taping black holes
Sep 27 16:52:37 <jasta> yawn
Sep 27 17:12:16 <plusminus_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNnMUV-Hsuw
Sep 27 17:12:37 <plusminus_> OpenStreetMap-View for Android (Aplha)
Sep 27 17:13:19 <plusminus_> somehow youtube made it slowmotion
Sep 27 17:14:18 <plusminus_> rendering this 320x430 px takes between 30ms (all cached in memory) to 300ms(all loaded from filesystem (the are put to cache))
Sep 27 17:14:39 <plusminus_> MapTilea are loaded asynchronous from the net and the stored to filesystem
Sep 27 17:15:48 <plusminus_> All different MapTile-Providers/Renderers are/will be supported (Osmarender, Mapnik, Cyclemap, etc...)
Sep 27 17:17:03 <plusminus_> filesystemcache size will be configurable and shared through device (now it stores all tiles and only for the app itself)
Sep 27 18:50:29 <ulmen> plusminus_: yay for your osm-app! =)
Sep 27 18:51:04 <ulmen> but you might consider uploading the video again or somewhere else ... looks so slow =D
Sep 27 18:51:17 <ulmen> and the clock stays on 3:59 for the whole 5 minutes
Sep 27 18:54:14 <plusminus_> ulmen: thanks
Sep 27 18:57:42 <plusminus_> it was probably the screenrecorder who messed that up
Sep 27 18:58:10 <plusminus_> it runs extremely smooth, I'll try to get a better video up
Sep 27 18:59:13 <jasta> *yawn*
Sep 27 18:59:56 <anno^da_> plusminus_: If it doesnt work recording a better video you could send me the apk and I can record a smooth one for you
Sep 27 19:03:23 <plusminus_> anno^da_: what recorder do you use?
Sep 27 19:03:39 <plusminus_> I used CamStudio for this one... maybe I msissconfigured sth
Sep 27 19:03:40 <anno^da_> Well I'm recording with OSX and the recorde is called Screenflow
Sep 27 19:04:07 <anno^da_> For my diploma I was able to record in Full HD
Sep 27 19:04:21 <plusminus_> hm nice!
Sep 27 19:04:31 <anno^da_> ah wait I havent installed 1.0 right now since I have to wait for some results of my 0.9 app :/
Sep 27 19:04:51 <anno^da_> Grml next week I'm able to record as much as you want :-)
Sep 27 19:05:44 <anno^da_> But yeah screen recording works pretty nice. I know CamStudio and it wasnt that easy to get good results. Thats all I know from my last try last year.
Sep 27 19:10:53 <jasta> what are possible values for -audio <backend>?
Sep 27 19:11:07 <jasta> the help says -help-audio-out will show me, but alas it does not.
Sep 27 19:16:07 <plusminus_> http://rapidshare.com/files/148902858/OpenStreetMapViewer.apk.html
Sep 27 19:16:34 <jasta> uhm, what is it?
Sep 27 19:16:47 <plusminus_> this.setContentView(new OpenStreetMapView(this, OpenStreetMapRendererInfo.MAPNIK));
Sep 27 19:17:03 <jasta> k, but what is it?
Sep 27 19:17:09 <plusminus_> jasta: OpenStreetMap for Android: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNnMUV-Hsuw
Sep 27 19:17:19 <plusminus_> free MapView replacement
Sep 27 19:17:35 <jasta> what's not free about the original?
Sep 27 19:19:08 <plusminus_> the ToS forbid the DrivingDirections
Sep 27 19:20:47 <jasta> oh, so you're not using Google's data?
Sep 27 19:21:01 <plusminus_> not a bit of the maps package
Sep 27 19:21:24 <jasta> but isnt the ToS attached to Google's data, not their code?
Sep 27 19:21:36 <plusminus_> + not of their data
Sep 27 19:21:39 <plusminus_> ;)
Sep 27 19:21:47 <jasta> interesting
Sep 27 19:22:10 <plusminus_> See: http://openstreetmap.org/
Sep 27 19:30:05 <jasta> sweet, crashed android again
Sep 27 19:30:17 <plusminus_> my app?
Sep 27 19:30:24 <jasta> no, me just using it...
Sep 27 19:30:28 <jasta> E/AndroidRuntime(  400): *** EXCEPTION IN SYSTEM PROCESS.  System will crash.
Sep 27 19:30:50 <jasta> seems i can no longer install new apks
Sep 27 19:30:53 <jasta> cute
Sep 27 19:31:10 <plusminus_> ist a unsigned one, dunno if its because of that
Sep 27 19:31:18 <jasta> i didnt install yours
Sep 27 19:31:23 <plusminus_> kk
Sep 27 19:31:26 <wastrel> i made the hello world app
Sep 27 19:31:32 <jasta> its because apparently android crashes a lot ;)
Sep 27 19:32:48 <wastrel> android is linux and linux is stable therefore android doesn't crash
Sep 27 19:32:58 <wastrel> also google can do no wrong therefore android doesn't crash
Sep 27 19:34:14 <Acsia> I made the goodbye cruel world app
Sep 27 19:36:48 <jasta> uhm, interesting.  you can no longer make launch configurations which directly run activities that do not have some type of intent filter
Sep 27 19:44:31 <ulmen> ha, g1 preorders are sold out .. nice one =)
Sep 27 20:15:25 <rabelais> tmobile customer service ha confirmed that at the $399 retail price (no contract) you have the right to immediately unlock the phone and do with it as you please
Sep 27 20:15:50 <f00f-> nice
Sep 27 20:15:58 <rabelais> amen
Sep 27 20:16:23 <rabelais> that's business done right
Sep 27 20:16:29 <jasta> thats great news, although unfortunately telco customer service is hardly authoritative :)
Sep 27 20:16:33 <f00f-> hopefully they follow through
Sep 27 20:16:55 <yakischloba> haven't we also determined that no other US carrier uses compatible 3g freqs?...
Sep 27 20:17:01 <f00f-> yep
Sep 27 20:17:03 <rabelais> yakischloba, correct
Sep 27 20:17:05 <yakischloba> ok
Sep 27 20:17:07 <jasta> the real challenge for US residents is that the phone's 3G will only work on T-Mobile, and the rest of the functionality will only work on AT&T anyway
Sep 27 20:17:13 <yakischloba> so what good is it to me to unlock it ;)
Sep 27 20:17:14 <f00f-> well
Sep 27 20:17:17 <f00f-> good for EU customers
Sep 27 20:17:17 <f00f-> :)
Sep 27 20:17:22 <yakischloba> yeah, thats cool
Sep 27 20:17:24 <f00f-> 2100 MHz
Sep 27 20:17:35 <rabelais> yakischloba, maybe not good for you, but I'm not interested in paying for 3G service (still too expensive)
Sep 27 20:17:50 <yakischloba> oh. you're going to rock out on EDGE or something?
Sep 27 20:18:05 <rabelais> I live on campus, and it's blanketed in wifi
Sep 27 20:18:12 <rabelais> I don't need 3G
Sep 27 20:18:40 <yakischloba> gotcha. Anyone know if the wifi implementation is good at finding networks and switching around by itself as needed?
Sep 27 20:18:49 <yakischloba> I never did hear if it was decent with the iphone
Sep 27 20:18:50 <rabelais> yakischloba, if it's not, we can fix it
Sep 27 20:19:19 <yakischloba> yeah obviously
Sep 27 20:19:25 <rabelais> yakischloba, some google devs have confimed it may not have the best wifi roaming algorithms set...but that's entirely tweakable
Sep 27 20:19:40 <rabelais> it's just running on top of wpa_supplicant...so scripting that should be trivial
Sep 27 20:20:07 <yakischloba> hmm
Sep 27 20:20:18 <yakischloba> i still think wimax will be cool
Sep 27 20:20:27 <rabelais> when it comes out...
Sep 27 20:20:33 <yakischloba> neither wifi or 3g have ever seemed all that practical to use with such a device as this
Sep 27 20:20:43 <rabelais> some number of years from now...
Sep 27 20:20:45 <yakischloba> perhaps on a campus its convenient
Sep 27 20:20:49 <yakischloba> yeah
Sep 27 20:20:52 <yakischloba> like i said
Sep 27 20:20:52 <rabelais> we're we supposed to see wimax in september?
Sep 27 20:21:00 <yakischloba> i still think wimax will be cool
Sep 27 20:21:02 <rabelais> bloody xohm...
Sep 27 20:21:39 <Kruton_Nebulon> i wonder what the pricing plan will be for xohm
Sep 27 20:21:46 <yakischloba> expensive heh
Sep 27 20:23:16 <Kruton_Nebulon> will xohm have voice capability?
Sep 27 20:23:44 <rabelais> Kruton_Nebulon, voip, sure
Sep 27 20:23:52 <yakischloba> mm I duno. last I checked their website was as vague as could be
Sep 27 20:24:05 <Kruton_Nebulon> like will u have a phone number with Xohm?
Sep 27 20:24:12 <Kruton_Nebulon> sure u can use skype..
Sep 27 20:24:18 <rabelais> Kruton_Nebulon, not automatically I think
Sep 27 20:24:19 <yakischloba> doubt it. I don't think its really intended to replace  voice afaik
Sep 27 20:24:57 <rabelais> Kruton_Nebulon, but partner up with a voip service provider (SIP, not skype) and then you do
Sep 27 20:25:14 <summatusmentis> wimax is a wireless standard
Sep 27 20:25:21 <summatusmentis> not a cell technology
Sep 27 20:25:50 <summatusmentis> it's just a net connection
Sep 27 20:26:06 <Kruton_Nebulon> makes sense
Sep 27 20:26:19 <rabelais> Kruton_Nebulon, take a look at the SIP stack and the telepathy stuff on maemo (nokia N810, etc)...that's what I envision will be the easiest way to do voice on wimax
Sep 27 20:26:37 <summatusmentis> I would be much more excited about xohm if I was ever going to get to use it :)
Sep 27 20:27:31 <rabelais> maybe one day...
Sep 27 20:28:35 <summatusmentis> rabelais: doubtful
Sep 27 20:28:44 <summatusmentis> not if I keep living in the middle of nowhere
Sep 27 20:31:10 <rabelais> summatusmentis, you should fix that
Sep 27 20:32:12 <summatusmentis> rabelais: yeh, after I graduate in a few years, I will
Sep 27 20:32:38 <rabelais> excellent plan
Sep 27 20:34:27 <summatusmentis> yeh :) I like the university I'm at, so I think I'll stick around
Sep 27 20:35:58 <mazzen> someone told me, that google released the whole source of android next to the sdk? is that really true?
Sep 27 20:36:58 <summatusmentis> will be releasing, afaik. I think the plan is that the entire source will be released alongside the device
Sep 27 20:38:50 <mazzen> k, thanks. so, so far it is not released
Sep 27 21:13:03 <SanMehat> umdk1d3: ping
Sep 27 21:25:17 <f00f-> i think he's driving to LA SanMehat
Sep 27 23:51:27 <jadams> where can one find the official statement on how open android is / what kind of software can run on it ultimately?
Sep 27 23:52:33 <rabelais> jadams, the official statement will be the code released
Sep 27 23:52:46 <jadams> fair enough
Sep 27 23:52:59 <rabelais> and it will run anything you write for it that compiles
Sep 27 23:57:17 <jadams> alright, I'm pre-ordering the tmobile g1 then
Sep 28 00:17:05 * rabelais think he should be in the sales industry
Sep 28 00:18:34 <jadams> rabelais, meh, I was already going to buy one :)
Sep 28 00:19:06 <meoblast001> who's making the hardware?
Sep 28 00:19:49 <rabelais> htc
Sep 28 00:20:21 <meoblast001> rabelais: i thought it was the HTC Dream?
Sep 28 00:20:33 <rabelais> htc is the company
Sep 28 00:20:36 <rabelais> htc dream is the product
Sep 28 00:20:47 <jham_> HTC's web site about the G1: http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/overview.html
Sep 28 00:20:55 <illuminum> tmobile g1 is the brand name
Sep 28 00:21:04 <illuminum> linux is the kernel
Sep 28 00:21:14 <illuminum> android is the application platform
Sep 28 00:21:22 <illuminum> software stack
Sep 28 00:23:11 <ahaberla1h> And the bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word.
Sep 28 00:23:23 <meoblast001> im lost
Sep 28 00:23:35 <meoblast001> so HTC isnt making the G1?
Sep 28 00:23:36 * Saxgod sighs.
Sep 28 00:23:40 <meoblast001> if not.... who is?
Sep 28 00:23:50 <Saxgod> Yes.  HTC made the hardware.
Sep 28 00:23:52 <meoblast001> or did they drop the Dream for the G1
Sep 28 00:23:58 <Saxgod> Google made the software.
Sep 28 00:24:01 <Saxgod> Dream was a code name.
Sep 28 00:24:01 <benley> the dream is the codename for the g1
Sep 28 00:24:07 <meoblast001> oooh
Sep 28 00:24:10 <Saxgod> T-Mobile is shipping it as the "T-Mobile G1"
Sep 28 00:24:15 <benley> htc has a name like that for all their handsets
Sep 28 00:24:24 <benley> i.e. the tmobile mda is the htc wizard, something like that
Sep 28 00:24:38 <AdamH> I must've been here before.  All my nicks are registered.  :)
Sep 28 00:24:47 <benley> hi adam :)
Sep 28 00:24:59 <AdamH> Much like Danger created the Hiptop and then T-Mobile released it as the Sidekick.
Sep 28 00:25:05 <AdamH> Hola, Benley
Sep 28 00:25:41 <Saxgod> Heh.  I _MUST_ have been here before.  :)
Sep 28 00:39:43 * Saxgod relurks, apparently.
Sep 28 02:00:12 <tonyacunar> behold!
Sep 28 02:00:59 <yakischloba> ...
Sep 28 02:01:48 <unix_infidel> yikes, all the G1's have sold out...
Sep 28 02:02:34 <tonyacunar> I want a G1
Sep 28 02:04:57 <wastrel> hi
Sep 28 02:06:16 <tonyacunar> Hi, my name is Frank
Sep 28 02:11:05 <cbeust_> Can I still be Garth?
Sep 28 02:24:56 <tonyacunar> yes
Sep 28 02:32:15 * ahaberlach shrugs.
Sep 28 02:32:57 <tonyacunar> i am an Iphone developer looking to switch to the dark side
Sep 28 02:33:06 <ahaberlach> What, Symbian?
Sep 28 02:33:28 <tonyacunar> yes
Sep 28 02:33:44 <SanMehat> ahaberlach: hahaha
Sep 28 02:37:39 <unix_infidel> SanMehat: PM real quick regarding AndroidDevCamp?
Sep 28 02:39:35 <SanMehat> sure
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